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>> ERIC: IN THE NEXT HOUR, SPEAKER KURT DAUDT WILL TALK ABOUT THE SPECIAL SESSION.

WE'LL CHAT WITH STATE AUDITOR REBECCA OTTO ABOUT HER OFFICE DUTIES.

AND WE'LL REMEMBER BUD KRAEHLING.

PLUS, MARY LAHAMMER WILL GIVE US A TOUR OF A SOON-TO-VANISH ST. PAUL LANDMARK.

>> Mary: AT THE OLD WEST PUBLISHING BUILDING IN ST. PAUL PREPARES FOR REDEVELOPMENT, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK BACK AT THE COMPANY'S HISTORY WITH SOME OF ITS LEADERS INCLUDING THE OPERMANS.

THAT'S COMING UP ON "ALMANAC."

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THE CARLSON SCHOOL OF MANAGEMENT AT THE UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA, PROVIDING BUSINESS PROFESSIONALS ADVANCEMENT OPPORTUNITIES THROUGH PROGRAMS LIKE THE PART-TIME M.B.A. RANKED 11TH IN THE COUNTRY BY "U.S. NEWS AND WORLD REPORT."

AND THE SHAKOPEE MDEWAKANTON SIOUX COMMUNITY, FOLLOWING OUR DAKOTA VALUES, GIVES NEARLY 30 MILLION TO NEIGHBORS, TRIBES AND NONPROFITS EACH YEAR.

>> CATHY: WE'LL BE GETTING TO SOME SPECIAL SESSION NEWS IN A MINUTE.

BUT FIRST, HERE ARE SOME HEADLINES THAT UPDATE STORIES WE'VE BEEN FOLLOWING.

>>> TODAY RAMSEY COUNTY ATTORNEY JOHN CHOI ANNOUNCED CRIMINAL CHARGES AGAINST THE ARCHDIOCESE OF ST. PAUL AND MINNEAPOLIS.

THE CHARGES SAY THE ARCHDIOCESE FAILED TO PROTECT THREE CHILDREN WHO WERE VICTIMS OF FORMER PRIEST CURTIS WEHMEYER.

>>> IN OTHER NEWS, THE PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION, ON A FIVE TO ZERO VOTE, GAVE THE PRELIMINARY GO-AHEAD TO THE CONTROVERSIAL SANDPIPER OIL PIPELINE THROUGH NORTHERN MINNESOTA.

THE PROJECT DOES, HOWEVER, FACE FURTHER REVIEW.

>>> ALSO TODAY, THE MINNEAPOLIS CITY COUNCIL VOTED 12-1 TO REPEAL ITS LURKING AND SPITTING ORDINANCES.

THE LAWS WERE TARGETED DUE TO INFREQUENT CHARGES AND RACIAL DISPARITIES.

BUT FIRST UP, THE ONGOING STALEMATE OVER A SPECIAL LEGISLATIVE SESSION.

NOW, THIS MUCH WE KNOW.

THERE WILL BE NO SPECIAL SESSION THIS WEEKEND.

THAT'S BECAUSE THERE'S A STUBBORN STICKING POINT CONCERNING THE DUTIES OF THE STATE AUDITOR.

TWO WEEKS AGO, GOVERNOR DAYTON SAT AT THIS TABLE TALKING ABOUT THE LEGISLATIVE LOGJAM.

TONIGHT WE'VE INVITED REPUBLICAN HOUSE SPEAKER KURT DAUDT TO JOIN US.

WELCOME.

WELL, THIS -- WHY HAS THIS BEEN SUCH A STICKING POINT FOR BOTH SIDES OVER THE DUTIES OF THE STATE AUDITOR?

>> YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

OBVIOUSLY WE PASSED THIS BILL, OR THIS LANGUAGE IN A BILL RIGHT AT THE END OF THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION.

IT HAD BEEN PASSED THROUGH THE HOUSE DURING THE SESSION.

IT HAD HEARINGS IN THE HOUSE AND WAS CARRIED INTO CONFERENCE COMMITTEE.

IT MADE IT THROUGH THE CONFERENCE COMMITTEE REPORT AND WAS PASSED IN THE HOUSE AND THE GOVERNOR SIGNED IT INTO LAW.

AND WE KNEW RIGHT AWAY WHEN HE SIGNED THE ABOUT BILL, HE SAID HE DIDN'T LIKE THIS LANGUAGE, BUT UNFORTUNATELY NOW, THIS IS THE ONE ISSUE THAT'S HOLDING US UP.

>> Eric: WHY IS IT IMPORTANT TO ALLOW COUNTIES TO HIRE PRIVATE AUDITORS TO DO AUDITS?

WHY -- WHAT'S BROKEN HERE?

>> WELL, THERE'S ACTUALLY ALREADY ABOUT 30 COUNTIES THAT DO THIS, AND WHAT COUNTIES ARE TELLING US IS THAT THEY THINK THEY COULD SAVE A LOT OF MONEY WHICH WOULD BASICALLY REDUCE PROPERTY TAXES IN THOSE COUNTIES AND ALSO THEY THINK THEY COULD GET THE AUDITS IN A TIMELY MANNER.

BUT THE STANDOFF RIGHT NOW FOR ME IS PROCESS.

WE JUST PASSED THE BILL AND SIGNED IT INTO LAW.

NOW THE GOVERNOR'S ASKING FOR US TO CHANGE IT.

WHEN THE LAW ITSELF DOESN'T REALLY GO INTO EFFECT UNTIL AUGUST OF 2016.

SO IN THE MEAN TIME WE'RE GONNA HAVE A REPORT FROM THE LEGISLATIVE AUDITOR'S OFFICE, THE NONPARTISAN LEGISLATIVE AUDITOR'S OFFICE, THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK INTO THIS.

SO MY POINT TO THE GOVERNOR IS THAT REALLY, WHAT WE NEED TO DO AS LEGISLATORS SINCE WE JUST PASSED THIS, LET'S TAKE SOME TIME, LET'S COOL OFF A LITTLE BIT, LET'S GET THAT REPORT AND ACT IN THIS NEXT SESSION.

>> Cathy: HE'S ASKING -- HE CAME UP WITH WHAT HE SAYS THE COMPROMISE TO DELAY THIS IS UNTIL 2017.

>> WHICH ACTUALLY DOESN'T SOLVE EGG ANYTHING.

DELAYING IT A YEAR REALLY DOESN'T DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN PUT IT BEYOND THE NEXT ELECTION WHICH DOESN'T REALLY MAKE ANY SENSE.

WE HAVE TIME TO -- BEFORE WE TAKE ANY ACTION TO REFERENCE THE LEGISLATIVE AUDITOR'S REPORT, AND THEN COME BACK NEXT SESSION AND WE CAN LOOK INTO IT AND MAKE CHANGES IF NECESSARY, OR REPEAL IT COMPLETELY.

>> Eric: IF RANDY GILBERT, THE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE FOR AUDITOR LAST TIME HAD WON, WOULD THIS BE AN ISSUE IN A REPUBLICAN HOUSE?

OR -- >> YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK SO.

RANDY GILBERT ACTUALLY RAN ON THIS ISSUE ITSELF.

I THINK PART OF HIS PLAN WAS TO ALLOW FOR A LITTLE MORE COMPETITION AND TO ALLOW COUNTIES TO USE PRIVATE AUDITORS IF THEY CHOSE TO DO THAT.

>> Cathy: DO YOU NOT TRUST PUBLIC AUDITS?

>> NO, I DON'T THINK THAT'S IT AT ALL.

NOT EVERY COUNTY IN THE STATE RECEIVES A PUBLIC AUDIT.

WE HAVE 87 COUNTIES ALREADY, PRIVATE AUDITS ARE VERY COMMON.

IN FACT THE LEGISLATURE ITSELF USES PRIVATE AUDIT FIRMS.

I HAD THIS CONVERSATION WITH THE GOVERNOR LAST NIGHT.

THE GOVERNOR IS AUDITED BY THE LEGISLATIVE AUDITOR'S OFFICE, SOME COUNTIES ARE AUDITED BY THE STATE AUDITOR.

WE ARE AUDITED BY PRIVATE AUDITORS, AND SO ARE ABOUT 30 COUNTIES.

SO THIS IS ALREADY A VERY COMMON PRACTICE.

SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND CITIES, MANY OF THEM ARE ALREADY AUDITED BY PRIVATE AUDITORS.

>> Eric: HOW ABOUT THE OTHER BILLS?

THE K-12 BILL IS POSTED AND WAS SUBJECT TO A WAYS AND MEANS FINANCE COMMITTEE THIS AFTERNOON.

THERE WAS A THIS BIG BREW HA HA ABOUT EARLY ED AND HOW TO DELIVER TO FOUR-YEAR-OLDS.

WHAT FINALLY CAME OUT OF THAT?

>> RIGHT, I THINK WHEN FOLKS ASK WHEN.

WHY WE'RE HAVING A SPECIAL SESSION, THE GOVERNOR WANTED UNIVERSAL PRE-K.

THE COMPROMISE THERE FOR US WAS, BECAUSE SCHOOLS WEREN'T ASKING FOR UNIVERSAL PRE-K, WE DID PUT ADDITIONAL MONEY, REPUBLICANS WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE FIRST 63 MILLION WENT ONTO THE FORMULA WHICH PUTS MONEY INTO EVERY CLASSROOM.

THAT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US.

AND THAT'S WHAT SCHOOL DISTRICTS WERE ASKING FOR.

WE ALSO PUT MORE MONEY INTO EDUCATION SCHOLARSHIPS WHICH INVOLVE THE PARENTS OF THOSE THREE AND FOUR-YEAR-OLDS AND GIVE THEM SOME CHOICE ON WHERE THOSE KIDS ARE GOING AND A FEW OTHER PLACES, BUT THERE IS NO UNIVERSAL PRE-K IN THAT BILL.

>> Eric: BUT DOES THE EXISTING PRE-K PROGRAMS GET MORE MONEY?

>> JUST THE SCHOLARSHIP PROGRAM.

THE SCHOOL READINESS PROGRAM DOES NOT GET MORE MONEY UNDER THIS PROPOSAL.

>> Cathy: ARE YOU HAPPY WITH THE BONDING BILL?

>> YOU KNOW, I AM -- >> Cathy: IT'S KIND OF TOUGH FOR SOME OF YOUR CAUCUS MEMBERS.

>> IT IS.

THIS IS A LEANER MEANER BONDING BILL.

IT'S A LITTLE BIT SMALLER IN SIZE AND IT'S KIND OF THE MORE EMERGENCY, IT'S FLOOD RELIEF, IT'S THE CAPITOL, IT'S KIND OF A MORE URGENT NEEDED ITEMS.

SO -- AND IT ALSO HAS SOME LANGUAGE IN IT FOR THE HIGHWAY TRUNK BONDS, AUTHORIZING THOSE, SO THERE'S ABOUT 140 MILLION OF THOSE, SO GENERAL OBLIGATION, IT'S A LITTLE LESS THAN $180 MILLION OF GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS WHICH IS SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'VE DONE IN OTHER YEARS, AND VERY MUCH TARGETED AND FLOOD RELIEF.

>> Eric: DOES THE BUFFER STRIPS COMPROMISE GET IN PLACE IN THE ENVIRONMENT BILL?

>> IT IS.

AND THAT BUFFER STRIP LANGUAGE IS EXACTLY THE WAY THAT IT PASSED OUT OF THE HOUSE HAD AND THE SENATE ORIGINALLY AND WAS SIGNED IN THAT ORIGINAL BILL.

NOT ONE WORD WAS CHANGED IN THAT LANGUAGE AND THAT LANGUAGE WAS AGREED UPON WITH THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE AND FOLKS IN THE HOW HOUSE AND SENAE AND THEY WORKED VERY HARD AT IT THE LAST NIGHT OF SESSION.

>> Eric: HAS IT BEEN STRANGE THIS WEEK NEGOTIATING WITH LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR SMITH INSTEAD OF GOVERNOR?

>> IT HAS BEEN.

FOR THE LAST FEW WEEKS, WE'VE BEEN NEGOTIATING WITH THE GOVERNOR.

LAST WEEK IT WAS THE GOVERNOR AND MYSELF AND THE MAJORITY LEADER.

WITH THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR THERE SOMETIMES.

THIS WEEK, I HAVEN'T REALLY VISITED UNTIL LAST NIGHT WITH THE GOVERNOR SINCE LAST FRIDAY.

THIS WEEK IT'S BEEN WITH THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR AND CHIEF OF STAFF, WHICH IS FINE AND WE'VE FOR THE MOST PART BEEN WORKING THROUGH MINOR DETAILS.

>> Cathy: IS MONDAY A TARGET, OR WILL THIS -- WOULD YOU REALLY GO INTO A POTENTIAL GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN OVER THE STATE AUDITOR SITUATION?

>> THAT IS A QUESTION THAT I HAVE FOR THE GOVERNOR, AND I DON'T THINK SO, BECAUSE IF WE DO NOTHING ON THE STATE AUDITOR'S LANGUAGE, NOBODY IS HARMED AND NOTHING HAPPENS UNTIL AFTER THE NEXT LEGISLATIVE SESSION.

ACRED THE ONLY THING THAT HAPPENS BETWEEN NOW AND THEN IS THE LEGISLATURE AND THE GOVERNOR WILL GET MORE INFORMATION ON THAT ISSUE.

SO WE'RE ADVOCATING FOR TAKING SOME MORE TIME AND GETTING MORE INFORMATION SO WE CAN MAKE THE BEST DECISION POSSIBLE.

IF WE MAKE CHANGES NOW, WE MAY HAVE TO MAKE CHANGES AGAIN SO IT'S REALLY NOT NECESSARY AND NOBODY'S HARMED.

IF WE DELAY, WHO IS HARMED ARE THE 9,400 STATE EMPLOYEES WHO HAVE UNCERTAINTY AND MAY GET LAID OFF ON JULY 1ST, THE COMMUNITIES AFFECTED BY FLOOD THAT ARE WAITING FOR RELIEF IN THIS BILL AND THE FARMERS AFFECTED BY THIS AVIAN FLU.

THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE BEING HELD UP.

AND I DON'T THINK THE GOVERNOR WILL HOLD THOSE UP.

>> Eric: JUST 15 SECONDS LEFT.

WOULD YOU PUT THE LANGUAGE UP FOR A VOTE IN THE HOUSE?

>> WE ABSOLUTELY WOULD.

IN FACT WE'VE OFFERED TO DO THAT JUST THAT WAY, A CLEAN VOTE AND WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

>> Eric: THANKS, SPEAKER.

>> THANK YOU.

♪ >> ERIC: AS WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, DEBATE OVER THE DUTIES OF THE STATE AUDITOR IS WHAT'S HOLDING UP A SPECIAL SESSION AGREEMENT.

WE JUST HEARD SPEAKER DAUDT'S TAKE ON THAT ISSUE.

NOW STATE AUDITOR REBECCA OTTO GETS HER TURN.

WELCOME TO THE SHOW, MADAM AUDITOR.

WHAT'S WRONGS WITH ALLOWING PRIVATE AUDITS IF IT WOULD SAVE SOME PROPERTY TAX DOLLARS FOR COUNTIES?

>> IT'S NOT GOING TO SAVE PROPERTY TAX DOLLARS.

THERE'S NO WAY.

IT'S NOT THAT SIGNIFICANT.

WHAT'S REALLY STRANGE ABOUT THIS HOLD THING IS IT WAS HEARD IN THE HOUSE BUT IT WAS NOT HEARD IN THE SENATE.

IT WAS RAN THROUGH IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT WITHOUT PROPER HEARINGS.

I COULDN'T EVEN GET THE DOCUMENTS TO SEE WHAT THEY WERE DOING.

IT WASN'T PART OF THE AGREEMENT BETWEEN KURT AND -- AND WHO LOSES IN THIS SITUATION IS THE TAXPAYERS OF MINNESOTA.

THE OFFICE OF STATE AUDITOR IS A CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICE WHICH SERVES THE PEOPLE AND SO WHO LOSES IN THIS REALLY POOR PROCESS ARE THE TAXPAYERS OF STATE.

WE'RE THERE TO PROTECT THEM.

SO WHAT I FIND VERY INTERESTING IS SPEAKER DAUDT SAID THAT MY OPPONENT WHO RAN AGAINST ME LAST YEAR RAN ON PRIVATIZATION.

I GOT 52% OF THE VOTE.

HE GOT 40% OF THE VOTE.

THE VOTERS ALREADY REJECTED THIS PREMISE.

IF THEY REALLY THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA, WHY DIDN'T THEY DO IT DURING THE LIGHT OF DAY?

THIS IS THE PEOPLE'S OFFICE -- >> Eric: HAVE ON YOUR OFFICE?

>> RIGHT NOW, THE WAY EVERYTHING'S DRAFTED, WE HAVE NO MORE AUDIT AUTHORITY AFTER JULY 1.

WE'RE GOING TO BE IN THE MIDDLE OF A BUNCH AUDITS FOR THE COUNTIES.

IT'S GOING TO CREATE CHAOS FOR THE COUNTIES.

WE AUDITS CITIES OF THE FIRST CLASS, MINNEAPOLIS, ST. PAUL, DULUTH, MEMBERSHIP COUNCIL, ALL KINDS OF ENTITIES.

WE DO PETITION AUDITS ON BEHALF OF THE PEOPLE.

WE DO REQUEST AUDITS ON BEHALF OF LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.

IT WAS NOT WELL CONSIDERED.

IT WAS VERY POOR LAW MAKING AND THE OUTCOMES WERE VERY POOR FOR THE TAXPAYERS.

THEY LOSE.

>> Cathy: O THE SPEAKER'S SAYING THAT THIS LANGUAGE, THE GOVERNOR'S SAYING WE COULD WAIT.

THERE'S A ISSUE ABOUT WAITING INTO 2016, 2017, WAITING TO GET MORE INFORMATION FROM THE LEGISLATIVE AUDITOR.

WHY NOT JUST WAIT?

>> BECAUSE IT WAS A BAD IDEA.

IT WAS DONE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT AND IT NEEDS TO BE FIX NOW, NOT TRY TO SLIP IT PAST THE TAXPAYERS OF OUR STATE, BECAUSE ONCE MY OFFICE IS IMPOT GUTTED IT'S DONE.

IT'S SERVED US VERY, VERY WELL.

THEY TALK ABOUT SAVING MONEY.

YOU CAN BUY A CHEAP CAR AND IF YOU WANT A CHEAP CARE, IT MIGHT BREAK DOWN MORE OX.

DO WE WANT CHEAP AUDIT HE'S IN MINNESOTA?

WHEN WE AUDIT A LOCAL GOVERNMENT, THE TAXPAYER IS OUR CLIENT, SO WE'RE ALWAYS SERVING THEIR BEST INTERESTS AND NOBODY ELSE AND THERE'S NO PROFIT MOTIVE.

WHEN THE PRIVATE SECTOR CONDUCTS AN AUDIT, THE CLIENT IS ACTUALLY THE COUNTY BOARD OR LET'S SAY THE CITY COUNCIL.

IT'S A DIFFERENT RELATIONSHIP.

WE ARE HERE AS AN OFFICE TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS WORKS FOR THE PEOPLE OF MINNESOTA SO THAT THEY CAN TRUST THEIR GOVERNMENT AND WE'RE SPOILED IN MINNESOTA.

WE HAVE GOOD GOVERNMENT BUT IT'S FOR A REASON.

>> Eric: AREN'T PRIVATE FIRMS DOING AUDITS TO SOME GOVERNMENTS NOW?

>> ABSOLUTELY, THEY ARE.

WE CAN ALWAYS STEP IN ON BEHALF OF THE TAXPAYERS.

WE DO PETITION AUDITS FROM SCHOOL DISTRICTS.

SO, YES, BUT WE HAVE DISCRETION RIGHTS NOW.

THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE AWAY OUR DISCRETION.

>> Cathy: WHY SHOULDN'T HAVE THE COUNTIES HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO AHEAD AND CALL IN A PRIVATE AUDITOR?

>> RIGHT NOW, THE COUNTIES ARE DIFFERENT THAN CITIES AND SCHOOL DISTRICTS.

THE COUNTIES ARE ACTUALLY PART OF STATE GOVERNMENT.

THEY'RE AN ARM OF STATE GOVERNMENT, AND SO THE STATE AUDITOR ACTUALLY AUDITS THAT PART OF THE STATE GOVERNMENT.

THERE'S A LOT OF FEDERAL FUNDS THAT FLOW FROM THE STATE DOWN TO THE COUNTIES.

THE STATE HAS A RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE PROPERLY HANDLED, PLUS STATE MONEY.

SO WE HAVE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS, WE HAVE TO BE THERE TO MAKE SURE IT WORKS.

WE SPECIALIZE IN LEGAL COMPLIANCE.

AND THERE ARE TIMES WHEN OUR COUNTIES HAVE STRAYED TO RAISE A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA REVENUE DURING DOWN TURNS.

THEY'VE GOTTEN CREATIVE AND NOT FOLLOWED STATE LAW.

DRIVER DIVERSION PROGRAMS, FOR INSTANCE.

BUT FOR OUR OFFICE, HAD WE NOT BEEN ABLE TO SEE THIS BECAUSE OF OUR EYES ON THE COUNTIES, THE STATE WOULDN'T HAVE KNOWN.

THE STATE WAS IN JEOPARDY OF LOSING THEIR FEDERAL HIGHWAY AID BECAUSE OF THESE CREATIVE PROGRAMS THAT COUNTIES CREATEDDED.

SOME OF THE COUNTIES THAT HAVE BEEN LOBBYING FOR THIS PRIVATIZATION DON'T LIKE IT BECAUSE THEY TOLD ME YOU CARE TOO MUCH ABOUT LEGAL COMPLIANCE.

WE ACTUALLY HAVE SEEN WITH THE DRIVER DIVERSION PROGRAM, WE HAVE A LEGAL COMPLIANCE GUIDE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO USE.

THEY WERE NOT DOING FINDINGS ON THESE PROGRAMS.

WE HAD TO CALL THE FIRMS AND SAY YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE YOU ISSUE FINDINGS ON THESE PROGRAMS.

>> Cathy: DO YOU THINK THAT SOME OF THIS -- WELL, POLITICS IS ALWAYS AT THE STATE CAPITOL.

HOW MUCH IS POLITICAL PAY BACK FOR YOUR OPPOSITION AGAINST COPPER NICKEL MINING IN NORTHEASTERN MINNESOTA BECAUSE THIS WAS A BIPARTISAN VOTE.

>> WHAT'S REALLY POOR ABOUT THE SESSION THIS SESSION -- >> Cathy: WHAT ABOUT THAT, THOUGH?

>> TWO PEOPLE WENT INTO A BACK ROOM IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT BEHIND CLOSED DOOR AND MADE SOME DECISIONS, SO ONLY THOSE TWO PEOPLE KNOW WHY THEY DID IT.

>> Eric: WHAT DO YOU SUSPECT?

>> I'VE HEARD RUMORS THAT THERE'S PAY BACK.

I'VE HEARD RUMORS -- THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF RUMORS, ACTUALLY.

IT COULD HAVE BEEN TRADED FOR SOMETHING.

SARAH ANDERSON ACTUALLY SAID OUT LOUD THE QHAIR OF THE STATE GOVERNMENT FINANCE IN COMMITTEE IN THE HOUSE THAT THEY WANTED TO WATER DOWN THE EXECUTIVE AUTHORITY OF SOMEBODY IN STATE GOVERNMENT, ONE OF THE CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS AND MY OFFICE MADE THE FINAL CUT.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT PROPERTY TAXES.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT SAVING MONEY.

THIS IS ABOUT TRYING TO STRIP AND GUT A CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICE WHICH IS IN OUR CONSTITUTION, BUT IS THE PEOPLE'S OFFICE.

IT'S NOT THEIR OFFICE.

IT'S THE PEOPLE'S.

HOUR LEGISLATURE HANDS OUT THE MONEY.

SEPARATE BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT, WE WATCH OVER THAT MONEY ON BEHALF OF MINNESOTANS.

>> Eric: THANKS VERY MUCH FOR COMING UP, AND WE'LL SEE HOW IT TRANS PIERS.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

>> ERIC: BUD KRAEHLING DIED THIS WEEK AT 96.

THERE WAS NO ONE QUITE LIKE HIM.

FOR NEARLY 50 YEARS, HE DELIVERED TV FORECASTS ON CHANNEL 4 WITH CHARM AND FLAIR.

HE WAS UNFLAPPABLE BUT ALWAYS APPROACHABLE.

MANY PEOPLE REMARKED THIS WEEK THAT KRAEHLING WAS AS NICE OFF CAMERA AS HE WAS ON.

WE HAD A NICE VISIT WITH BUD BACK IN 1996 ON THE NIGHT HE DELIVERED HIS FINAL WCCO WEATHER FORECAST.

LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT A BIT OF THAT INTERVIEW.

RIGHT NOW.

>> Cathy: WHAT GOES THROUGH YOUR HEAD, BUD, WHEN YOU SEE TODAY'S WEATHER FORECAST AND THE RADAR WEATHER AND ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT THINGS?

>> I THINK THE SIMPLER TIME WAS BETTER.

FOR ONE THING, THERE WAS ONE WEATHER FORECAST FOR THE TWIN CITIES FOR THE PAPERS, FOR THE RADIO STATIONS, FOR THE TV STATIONS, FROM THE WEATHER BUREAU.

AND I THINK EVERYBODY HEARD THE SAME FORECAST.

NOW YOU HEAR TEN OR 12, AND IT'S CONFUSING.

>> Cathy: GIVE US AN OLD FASHIONED WEATHER FORECAST, OKAY?

>> OKAY.

SHAKE UP THE PEN HERE.

ALL RIGHT.

THIS IS THE WAY WE USED TO DO IT IN 1950.

>> Eric: GO FOR IT, MAN.

>> ALL RIGHT.

I ASSUME THIS IS THE ERIN RANGE UP HERE.

[ Laughter ] AND A CANOE.

OKAY, TOMORROW IS GOING TO BE A COLD FRONT PRIEGHT THROUGH THE IRON RANGE AND THAT MUST BE LAKE MILLE LACS.

I DID DO GOOD COOL FRONTS.

DOWN HERE THERE'S GOING TO BE A THUNDERSTORM OR TWO, AND THAT'S A LITTLE LIGHTNING THERE AND SUNSHINE UP HERE AND 62 FOR A HIGH UP IN THERE AND 82 DOWN HERE.

SO IT'S A STILL LITTLE WARM AND HUMID IN THE SOUTHEAST, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE BETTER COLD FRONTS I THINK I'VE EVER DRAWN.

A LITTLE COOKED.

>> Eric: HOW MANY SHOWS DID YOU DO IN 50 YEARS?

>> OH, MY.

I USED TO WORK SIX DAYS A WEEK FOR A WHILE.

PROBABLY THREE TAI DAY.

WELL, I DON'T KNOW.

LET'S DO THAT.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN -- >> Eric: YEAH, THE PRIME NUMBER, WE'RE JUST THRILLED YOU CAME TO DO ONE OF YOUR LAST ONES WITH US.

>> THANK YOU.

>> APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICES.

THANKS SO MUCH.

>> ♪ FOR ALL WE KNOW ♪ ♪ WE MAY NEVER ♪ >> Cathy: THERE WAS A DRIVING RAIN.

TEMPS STRUGGLED TO REACH 50.

THE SKY LOOKED LIKE IT MIGHT SNOW.

IT WAS JUNE 3, 1990, AND MINNESOTA WELCOMED SOVIET LEADER MIKHAIL GORBACHEV DURING A WHIRLWIND TRIP TO THE MIDWEST.

THE LOUSY WEATHER MIGHT HAVE BEEN AN OMEN.

BY THE FOLLOWING YEAR, GORBACHEV WAS OUT OF POWER.

THE GOVERNOR WHO WELCOMED HIM TO MINNESOTA, RUDY PERPICH, HAD LOST HIS RE-ELECTION CAMPAIGN.

AND BRITISH BILLIONAIRE ROBERT MAXWELL, WHO DRAMATICALLY ANNOUNCED DURING THE VISIT PLANS FOR A GLOBAL TECHNOLOGY CENTER, DROWNED UNDER MYSTERIOUS CIRCUMSTANCES.

YES, JUNE 3, 1990, IS A DAY THAT PAUL RIDGEWAY WILL NEVER FORGET.

HE HANDLED THE LOGISTICS FOR THE TRIP ON THE AMERICAN SIDE.

>> AND I DIDN'T DROWN.

>> Cathy: NO, YES, AND YOU ARE HERE, PRAISE -- >> I HAVE BEEN WAITING 25 YEARS, CATHY, TO TELL YOWL ABOUT ERIC.

GAVE THESE TO THE PEOPLE ON SUMMIT AVENUE AND EVERYWHERE.

WE GOT GORBY -- 500 AT EACH STOP.

ERIC, THE LITTLE WEASEL CAME TO ME AND SAID, I NEED A SCOOP.

I CAN COVER ALL THE STOPS.

I'LL ADMIT, I DID LET HIM GO IN A SECRET CAR IN THE MOTOR KEYED.

HOW DOES DID THAT GO ALL THE THROUGH?

RANDY, FIRST, I KNOW HE WATCHES "ALMANAC" EARLY.

>> Eric: "STAR TRIBUNE."

>> I GOT ACCUSED BY -- LAST THING I WANT TO DO WHEN I'VE GOT SO MUCH STRESS ON ME IN TWO WEEKS, PUT TOGETHER A TRIP IN LONDON CALLED FLAWLESS.

BUT I KNEW THAT I'D SEEN RANDY FIRST IN THE TRIBUNE TALKING -- AND THE NEXT MORNING I WANT TO SERING YEA AND BLUFFED, YOU LEAKED ALL THE INFORMATION IN THE SCHEDULE FIRST TO RANDY AT THE TRIBUNE.

HE TALKED MY BRAINS OUT.

GREAT LINE.

>> Cathy: HOW FAST DID YOU AGE TRY TO PULL ALL THIS TOGETHER.

>> I WAS DARK HAIR, AND THEN TWO WEEKS LATER, I WAS TURNED GRAY COMPLETELY.

NO, ACTUALLY IT WAS DID, KEVIN FOLEY WAS MY DEPUTY, A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE INVOLVED.

BUT WE REALLY DID A TRIP IN TWO WEEKS THAT SHOULD HAVE TAKEN THREE MONTHS TO PREPARE.

AND THE SOVIETS WANTED ME TO GO TO CALIFORNIA, BUT WE TOOK HIM GARAGE SALE HOPPING.

YOUR CLOTHES LOOK NICE AND JEANS WERE $125 THEN.

SO THE NEXT DAY WE LINED UP THE KGB AND SECRET SERVICE MOTOR KEYED AND WENT GARAGE SALE HOPPING.

AND SUNDAY NIGHT AT 8:00 WHEN PRESIDENT GOSH CHEIVE WENT TO CALIFORNIA, AT 1EU A.M.

THEY WENT LOADED WITH TRIKES, BIKES, JEANS AND CLOTHING.

THEN IT GETS BETTER.

THEY SAID, PAUL, WE NEED AN AVERAGE AMERICAN HOME.

THEY KEPT HOUNDING ME.

WHAT THEY DIDN'T KNOW, I HAD A BLOND LOOKING VOLUNTEER -- >> Eric: WE'RE GOING TO ROLL SOME TAPE -- >> NO PROBLEM.

WE WENT TO AN AVERAGE AMERICAN HOME.

I HEARD THAT SO MANY TIMES I FINALLY SAID THAT'S IT.

I'LL TAKE YOU TOMORROW NIGHT.

TOOK THEM OUT TO KURT CARLSON'S COMPOUND.

>> Cathy: THERE YOU GO.

>> GOT A GREAT -- WE HAD A BLAST.

THIS IS GOING DOWN SUMMIT AVENUE.

THIS IS WHERE GOSH CHEIVE LAUGHED BECAUSE A MAN DEMONSTRATING HAD A SIGN SAYING WE HATE RUSSIA.

THIS IS AT CONTROL DATA.

IT WAS SO MUCH FUN THERE.

AND O GOVERNOR PERPICH.

AND THERE'S KEVIN FOLEY.

GAUCHE CHEIVE WAS FUNNY, NICE GUY.

>> Eric: HOW WAS THE KGB TO WORK WITH.

>> THEY WERE VERY CLEVERER.

THEY CLAIMED THEY DIDN'T SPEAK ENGLISH.

THEY DID -- >> Eric: HERE'S THE WATSON FAMILY, BY THE WAY.

>> MARILYN NELSON FOUND THEM FOR ME BECAUSE THEIRS DAUGHTER WAS AT THE CHILDREN'S THEATER IN MOSCOW, SECOND BEST THEATER IN THE WORLD.

GAVE ME ANOTHER HEART ATTACK BECAUSE I HAD 26 WHITE HOUSE ADVANCE THAT CAME IN, INCLUDING BILL CLINTON'S PRESS SECRETARY, WOULD BECOME LATER, Mr. SPEAKER GOSH CHEIVE STOPPLED AT SNYDERS, BECAUSE SHE WANTED TO BUY NINJA TURTLES.

MY AGENT SAID HE WAS GON HAVE AN HEART ATTACK IN THE CAR.

I TOLD HIM YOU CAN'T HAVE A HEART ATTACK TODAY.

>> Cathy: YOU HAVE TO WAIT.

NOW, WHEN YOU WERE DOING THE RECON ASSISTANCE, DID YOU -- THEY HAD -- I REMEMBER, WELL, YOU WERE IN THE STRAG ALER -- EXACTLY, BUT THE SOVIETS HAD THEIR OWN LIMOS.

HOW DID YOU GET GAS -- >> WE HAVE NO MONEY.

WE HAVE NO MONEY FOR THE EXPWELS AND THE EXPWELS TOOK 105 OCTANE FUEL.

MONSTER LIMOUSINES.

SO I CALLED THE MINNESOTA PETROLEUM ASSOCIATION.

THEY SAID GO TO PLYMOUTH.

RACING FUEL.

WE LOADED UP THE GAS CANS, HUNDREDS OF THEM.

FILLED UP ALL THE CANS, I PAID FOR IT.

AND WE GOT THE FUEL FOR THE EXPWELS SO THEY HAD NO MONEY TO PAY FOR IT.

>> Eric: HOW WAS RUDY PERPICH AND LOCAL YA TO WORK WITH?

>> I SAID IT'S THE BEST NEWS AND THE WORST NEXTS.

IT GOES GREAT, YOU'RE A HERO, IF IT GOES BAD, YOU'LL BE A FOOL WORLDWIDE.

I THINK HE MADE A TERRIBLE MISTAKE NOT ALLOWING THE CONGRESSIONAL LUNCH LUNCHEON AT THE MAN SHUN.

AT LEAST SHAKE HANDS WITH HIM OUTSIDE.

>> Cathy: I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT HAPPENED.

>> Eric: WHAT LED HIM TO THAT DECISION?

>> I THINK IT'S INSANITY.

IT WAS JUST CRAZY.

YOU TALK ABOUT GETTING GRAY, BUT WHEN WE GOT TO THE AIRPORT, AND BY THE WAY, WE LOST ALL THE PICTURES IN THE LOBBY.

TOM JAR DEAN, THE PHOTOGRAPHER FROZE UP, HE WAS SO SCARED.

WHAT WILL HAPPEN?

I THINK NO PICTURES.

I SAID I'LL DO IT.

I SAID, SIR, HERE'S WHAT HAPPENED.

HE SAID DON'T WORRY.

NOBODY WILL KNOW AND WE RESHOT ALL THE PICTURES.

>> Cathy: WHAT WILL YOU ALWAYS REMEMBER OF THIS EVENT?

>> I THINK WHAT I REMEMBER IS THE FRIENDSHIP WITH THE RUSSIANS.

I WENT TO MOSCOW TWICE AFTER TO BE WITH THEM AND IT WAS REALLY A DEEP FRIEND SEAN, AND SO NOW I HAVE THAT ACCENT, HOW ARE YOU DOING, AND I'M DOING JUST FINE.

[ Laughter ] >> Cathy: I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU -- >> AND I GOT POSTERS YOU'VE GOT OFF STAGE HERE.

THE MEDIA WILL NEVER FORGET YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Cathy: YOU'RE THE BEST.

THANK YOU.

♪ >> RUDY PERPICH'S NUMBER WAS 66%.

>> Eric: 26% WON WHAT?

Q.26% OF THE VOTERS ARE WITH RUDY PERPICH TODAY.

THAT'S TEN POINTS BELOW WHERE THE GOVERNOR WAS LAST YEAR WHEN HE WAS IMPEACHED.

WHEN THE STAR AND TRIBUNE RAN A POLL ON GOSH CHEIVE'S POPULARITY IN MINNESOTA, HE'S THREE TIMES MORE POPULAR IN MINNESOTA.

I THINK IT MEANS THAT MINNESOTANS WOULD RATHER HAVE A COMPETENT COMMUNIST THAN AN INCOMPETENT DFLer.

>> ♪ POETRY IN MOTION ♪ ♪ WALKING BY MY SIDE ♪ ♪ HER LOVELY LOCO MOTION ♪ ♪ KEEPS MY EYES OPEN WIDE ♪ ♪ POETRY IN MOTION ♪ >> ROBOTS: THEY WALK, THEY TALK, GREET CUSTOMERS, CLEAN YOUR FLOORS, TRANSPORT LOADS BIG AND SMALL, LEARN, AND EVEN RUN ON TWO OR FOUR LEGS.

THEY'RE SO SMART!

MAYBE TOO SMART.

CUE THE "ANNIE GET YOUR GUN" SONG, "EVERYTHING YOU CAN DO I CAN DO BETTER."

NOW, WE'RE NOT THERE YET, BUT WE'RE NOT FAR OFF.

ACCORDING TO SOME MAJOR NEWS OUTLETS, THE ROBOTS ARE COMING FOR YOUR JOB.

"SUPER SMART ALGORITHMS AND INDUSTRIOUS FACTORY BOTS ARE GOING TO MAKE MOST JOBS OBSOLETE," THEY SAY, WITH JUST A TINGE OF WORRY COLORING THEIR TONE.

I SAY, "HOW COME IT HASN'T HAPPENED YET?"

THESE ROBOTS ARE TAKING MUCH TOO LONG TO GAIN BASIC SKILLS THAT WILL MAKE THEM EMPLOYABLE, AND I, FOR ONE, WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF THEY WOULD START CONTRIBUTING TO SOCIETY.

I HAVE GARDENS TO TEND.

I'M WOEFULLY BEHIND ON MY CAT- AND DOG-PETTING QUOTAS.

I'M PRETTY SURE I KNOW SOMEONE WHO NEEDS HELP PUTTING UP SOME SHELVES OR RUNNING AN AFTER-SCHOOL ARTS PROGRAM OR ENDING WORLD HUNGER OR SOMETHING.

AND HOW MANY IMPROMPTU DANCE PARTIES HAVE I HAD TO MISS BECAUSE OF A LOOMING DEADLINE AT ONE OF MY FIVE JOBS?

MAYBE I SHOULD BE UPSET THAT WITHIN A FEW GENERATIONS, HUMANS COULD BE EXPERTS AT LEISURE, BUT I'M NOT WORRIED.

JOBS ARE THE STUFF WE DO TO PUT FOOD ON THE TABLE AND ROOFS OVER OUR HEADS.

WORK IS OUR VOCATION, OUR MEANS OF ADDING VALUE TO THE WORLD.

I SAY, LET THE ROBOTS HAVE THE JOBS.

MAYBE THEN THE HUMANS CAN FINALLY GET TO WORK.

[ Applause ] ♪ >> ERIC: DEMOLITION CREWS ARE PREPARING A BIG SECTION OF ST. PAUL'S RIVERFRONT FOR REDEVELOPMENT.

OUR MARY LAHAMMER HAS A FINAL LOOK INSIDE THE STRUCTURES THAT ONCE HOUSED A LOT OF IMPORTANT HISTORY IN THE LEGAL WORLD.

>> Mary: DOWNTOWN ST. PAUL WAS UNDERGOING MANY CHANGES AS THE CAPITAL CITY STRIVES TO RECORRECT WITH ITS RIVER FRONT AMIDST A BUILDING BOOM.

THE OLD WEALTH PUBLISHING BUILDING AND NEIGHBORING COUNTY JAIL WILL BE REDEVELOPED.

>> THERE'S A LOT OF HISTORY IN HERE.

>> Mary: THE BUILDING HAS BEEN STRIPPED OF ANYTHING OF VALUE, JUST MEMORIES HERE FOR THE OPPERMAN FAMILY WHO BOAST MORE THAN ONE WEST TOP EXECUTIVE.

GRANTED US AN INTERVIEW FOR THE FIRST TIME IN WHAT WAS ONCE THEIR FATHER'S OFFICE.

>> WE CAME OUT HERE ON A STREET CAR.

THAT WAS BIG STUFF, LET ME TELL YOU, STREET CAR.

AND HE TOOK ME INTO THE ROOM WHERE THEY HAD TARP MACHINES.

I'M A LITTLE KID ABOUT NINE YEARS OF AGE AND THEY GOT TRAINS.

THEY GOT FLOODS.

THEY GOT RAILS.

THEY HAVE STREET CARS.

>> BEAUTIFUL DESIGN WITH THIS INCREDIBLE VIEW OVERLOOKING THE MISSISSIPPI RIVER, AND -- >> AND THE JAIL.

>> AND THE JAIL OF COURSE.

NEXT DOOR, THAT WAS ALWAYS KIND OF A HUMOROUS ASPECT.

KIND THE LAW AND THE OTHER SIDE OF THE LAW NEXT DOOR.

MY MOM HAD A LOT TO DO WITH THE DESIGN OF THIS OFFICE.

SHE HAD AN INCREDIBLE TALENT WITH THAT, AND MY MOM AND DAD TRULY WERE A PARTNERSHIP.

>> Mary: THIS SPACE WAS ONCE THE OFFICES FOR WEST PUBLISHING'S CHIEF EXECUTIVES, RAMSEY COUNTY LATER USED IT AS A COURTROOM.

NOW IT'S GOING TO BE DEMOLISHED AND REDEVELOPED.

WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT?

>> DEPENDS ON WHAT THEY DO WITH IT.

I MEAN, THIS -- PARTS OF THIS BUILDING GO BACK TO THE 1880s.

>> WHEN YOU SEE A CITY TRANSFORM AWAY FROM JOB CREATION CENTERS TO OTHER USES, SAY RESIDENTIAL, YOU KNOW, I HAVE CONCERN THAT THAT MAY NOT BE THE BEST LONG-TERM VISION.

>> Mary: WEST WAS FOUNDED IN 1872 AND GREW AND FLOURISHED AND ADAPTED INTO A BILLION-DOLLAR BUSINESS AT THE TOP OF THE LEGAL PUBLISHING AND INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY INDUSTRY.

THE COMPANY MOVED TO EAGAN AND IS NOW PART OF THOMPSON REUTERS.

THE OLD ST. PAUL COMPLEX IS COMPOSED OF SIX ORIGINAL BUILDINGS COBBLED TOGETHER OVER A CENTURY.

JOHN SHOWED UP LOOKING FOR A JOB AFTER SERVING IN WORLD WAR II.

>> I QUIT SCHOOL IN THE NINTH GRADE.

MY FIRST JOB WAS UNLOADING BOX CARS.

>> Mary: NASSAP WHOSE FAMILY EMIGRATED FROM LEBANON GREW UP POOR AND WORKED HIS WAY UP TO VICE PRESIDENT, BECOMING A GENEROUS FILL LAN THROE PIC, DONATING MILLION ALTS TO LOCAL CAUSES.

>> I WAS ALWAYS IS A AGGRESSIVE- AS A YOUNG KID.

>> Mary: SO WHAT IS LIKE COMING BACK TO THIS BUILDING?

>> IT FEELS GOOD, WARM, LIKE GOING BACK TO WHERE YOU WERE BORN.

YOUR HOMESTEAD, YOUR HOME WHEN YOU WERE A CHILD.

IT'S A -- BECAUSE I SPENT MY ENTIRE LIFE HERE.

NEVER WORKED ANYWHERE ELSE.

>> Mary: A WHOLE CAREER.

PEOPLE COULDN'T IMAGINE THAT TODAY, COULD THEY, SPENDING YOUR WHOLE CAREER IN ONE PLACE?

>> I CELEBRATED MY BIRTHDAY IN 1946.

I RETIRED ON MY BIRTHDAY IN 1996.

50 YEARS.

AND I'M ONLY 62 YEARS OLD.

>> Mary: REALLY?

>> NO.

I'M ONLY 92.

>> Mary: NASSAP AND THE OPPERMANS WERE PRESENTED WITH ACTOR FACTS KICKING OFF THE REDEVELOPMENT.

>> I HATE TO SEE IT DEMOLISHED.

I'D LIKE TO SEE IT REUSED FOR SOMETHING.

>> Mary: DEVELOPERS DON'T KNOW IF THE AREA WILL BE RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL, BUT THEY DO KNOW THE VIEWS ARE VALUABLE.

PERHAPS NO MORE VALUABLE THAN THE WORLD LEADING LEGAL PUBLISHER ONCE LOCATED HERE.

>> THERE WAS REALLY A SENSE OF PRIDE, AND -- AND A REAL SENSE THAT EVERYBODY MATTERED A LOT.

THERE'S GREAT RESPECT FOR ONE ANOTHER HERE, AND A JOY OF WORK.

THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK BOTH ADVANCE AND I REALLY ARE GRATEFUL FOR.

TALK ABOUT A MIDWESTERN WORK ETHIC, WHICH IS GREAT, BUT HERE AT WEST, IT WAS THE JOY OF WORK.

THIS WAS JUST SOMETHING TO BE PROUD OF AND JOYFUL AND AN ATTENTION TO QUALITY.

>> IN YOUR LEGAL SYSTEM, IT IS IMPORTANT THAT YOU HAVE COMPLETE RELIABILITY ON ACCURACY.

YOU CANNOT HAVE A RULE OF LAW IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LAWS ARE.

AND THIS COMPANY, BEYOND ALL OTHERS, ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD, MADE THE INNOVATIONS THAT ALLOW US TO BE A COUNTRY RULED BY LAW.

♪ >> ERIC: THE GLENSHEEN MANSION IN DULUTH.

IS IT THE MOST FAMOUS HOME IN MINNESOTA?

MAYBE.

THE ONLY OTHER REAL CONTENDER FOR THE CROWN IS THE JAMES J. HILL HOUSE IN ST. PAUL.

GLENSHEEN IS NOW THE SUBJECT OF A BOOK THAT FEATURES RARELY SEEN PHOTOS FROM THE LAKE SUPERIOR SHORE HOME'S EARLY YEARS.

THE BOOK IS CALLED "HISTORIC GLENSHEEN: 1905-1930," AND IT'S THE WORK OF TONY DIERCKINS.

WELL, TONY, WHERE DID THESE PHOTOS COME FROM?

>> THESE CAME FROM THE PAST, OBVIOUSLY, THEY'VE BEEN DISCOVERED RECENTLY, MOST OF THEM.

WE'VE STUMBLED ACROSS A FEW OVER THE YEARS, BUT DAN HART MAN IS GOING THROUGH CLOSE ALES AND WE DISCOVERED A CASH OVER THE WINTER, SOME WHO BEEN TAKEN BY EDWARD CONNEDON.

HE WAS AN AVID PHOTOGRAPHER.

MANY OF THEM COME FROM A WESTERN ARCHITECT MAGAZINE PHOTO SHEET.

CHESTER WANTED IT DECORATED WITH THE FURNITURE, THE FURNISHINGS, EVERYTHING JUST AS THEY IMAGINED IT AND THE DESIGNERS FROM THE GET-GO >> Cathy: I AM SURPRISED FROM ALL THIS TIME THEY ARE STILL FINDING STUFF IN THAT HOUSE.

>> THEY ARE.

DIFFERENT DIRECTORS OVER THE YEARS, DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, IT'S RUN BY THE UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA.

SO DIFFERENT PRIORITIES WITH THE SCHOOL FINE ARTS THAT RUN IT.

AND SOME THINGS ARE AMAZING.

THEY HAD AN INTERN LEAVE A COUPLE MONTHS AGO AND SHE ASKED WHAT DO WE DO WITH THIS STUFF IN MY CLOSE CLOSET.

>> Cathy: WE HAVE TO SEE THESE.

>> Eric: LET'S LOOK AT SOME PHOTOS HERE.

>> RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE, YOU CAN SEE THE WALL, THE SERPENTINE WALL, THEY ACTUALLY BUILT THE WALL FIRST TO GET THE DRIVEWAY IN.

AND HERE WE ARE AT ABOUT 1906.

THE STEEL FRAMEWORK'S UP AND THEY'RE STARTING TO PUT THE BRICKS UP.

THIS IS 1909, RIGHT AS IT'S COMPLETED, BUILT, THERE'S THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE THAT'S RARELY SEEN.

THIS IS 1930.

NOTICE HOW FULL AND LUSH THE FOLIAGE IS AND EVERYTHING.

CHESTER DIED IN 1916.

FORMAL ENGLISH GARDENS.

CLARA LIKED HER PRIVACY, SHE KIND OF LET THE PLACE GO WILD A LITTLE BIT.

THERE'S A LAKEWOOD CEMETERY IS RIGHT NEXT DOOR AND IT IS SAID THAT CLARA PICKED THE SPOT BECAUSE SHE KNEW SHE'D HAVE QUIET NEIGHBORS.

>> Cathy: GOOD POINT.

>> Eric: THERE'S SOME INSIDE SHOTS WE WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT AS WELL.

>> Cathy: THE INSIDE OF COURSE -- >> THIS IS EVERYBODY'S FAVORITE.

THIS ROOM, A COUPLE OTHERS, THERE'S LIKE THE SMOKING ROOM DOWN STAIRS AND THE THIRD FLOOR SOUTHERLY BEDROOMS AND LOWFNL WERE DONE BY JAMES BRAD STREET, MINNEAPOLIS INTERIOR DESIGNER.

>> Cathy: BREAKFAST ROOM IS UNBELIEVABLE.

>> EVERYONE'S FAVORITE ROOM.

YOU CAN SEE THE LAKE.

THIS WOULD BE THE BEDROOM OF ROBERT, THE YOUNGEST WHO WOULD HAVE BEEN ABOUT EIGHT OR NINE WHEN HE MOVED IN.

SEE THE STENCILING ON THE WALLS?

THOSE ARE TINY BIRDS IN FLIGHT.

AND THEY PEELED BACK SOME THINGS.

ELIZABETH USED TO USE THIS ROOM AS A PAINTING ROOM IN LATER LIFE.

AND IT'S GOING TO BE PART OF THE TOUR STARTING SOON.

IF NOT ALREADY.

THIS IS THE FOUNTAIN.

GEORGE STRANA, HE DID ALL THE GREAT STONE CARVERS IN DULUTH, ON OLD CENTRAL HIGH SCHOOL AND THROUGHOUT TOWN.

HE DID THIS IN 1913.

THAT FOUNTAIN.

THE SHOT HERE IS FROM 1930.

YOU SEE ALL THE LUSH FOLIAGE.

>> Cathy: SHE DID LET IT GO.

>> OH, YEAH.

SHE REALLY LET IT GO.

>> Cathy: THIS IS THE LAKE.

>> RIGHT.

THIS IS THE THIRD FOUNTAIN THEY PUT IN.

THIS IS ONE THE GREAT LOST THINGS ABOUT GLENSHEEN WERE THE FOUR GREEN HOUSES.

THE LARGER ONE YOU SEE HERE IS THE PALM HOUSE.

>> Cathy: WASN'T ON THE PROPERTY.

>> ANOKA COUNTY YOU COME IN BEHIND THE GASSERRENNER'S COTTAGE, THOSE OF US THAT ARE FAMILIAR WITH IT, P WOULD HAVE BEHIND THE LONG FORMAL DRIVE THAT'S NO LONGER USED AS WELL.

COAL POWERED.

YES, EXACTLY, VERY EXPENSIVE OPERATION TO RUN.

HERE'S THE FAMOUS RUSTIC BRIDGE, TISSUE CREEK, THE BRIDGE TO NOWHERE.

A THING OF BEAUTY.

THE PROPERTY IS BASICALLY ON FIVE, TEN FEET PAST THAT.

HERE ARE THESE WONDERFUL STEPPING STONES YOU SEE IN THE WATER AND GLENSHEEN BEHIND IT.

THESE STONES WERE A LOT OF THEM WASHED AWAY THE 2012 FLOOD.

>> Cathy: AWE.

>> YEAH, AND THEY'VE BROUGHT IT BACK.

THEY'VE DONE SOME WONDERFUL THINGS.

THIS FANTASTIC SHOT, THIS IS THE HESPERIA, THEY'RE A FAMILY YACHT NAMED FOR CLARA'S MIDDLE NAME.

>> Cathy: BUT WHERE'S THE BOAT HOUSE?

>> THE BOUT HOUSE IS STILL THERE.

THE PIER IS UNDER WATER AND THE BEACH HAS ENCROACHED ON THINGS.

THIS IS JAMES ROPER BEHIND THE WHEEL OF THE CARRIAGE HERE.

WORKED HIS WAY UP TO COACH MAN AND THEN WHEN THE CONNEDON'S BOUGHT AUTOMOBILES, BECAME THE SHOVER.

>> Eric: YOU GOT HISTORY CHATS AT THE MANSION?

>> ZONE YA CITY ON TAP, WHERE MYSELF OR TWO OF OUR WRITERS, WE DO A DAILY WEB PUBLICATION, LIKE A MAGAZINE THAT CELEBRATES HISTORIC DULUTH AND WESTERN LAKE SUPERIOR HISTORY.

AND SO WE COME AND BRING SOME OF OUR STORIES TO LIFE FOR DAN.

AND THEN HE'S GOT CHESTER CHATS WHERE HE BRINGS IN LOCAL PEOPLE TO TALK ABOUT CURRENT ISSUES AND THEN GIVES THE PERSPECTIVE FROM CHESTER'S DAY.

>> Cathy: WHY DO YOU THINK GLENSHEEN, EVEN NOW JUST HAS THIS MYSTIQUE ABOUT IT?

>> IT'S TIMELESS.

THERE'S SO MUCH TO IT.

OF COURSE THERE'S THE FAMOUS TRAGEDY, WHICH BUT ONE BRIEF MOMENT IN A HISTORY OF A WONDERFUL HOUSE AND FAMILY.

CHESTER'S AN AMAZING GUY AS WE DISCOVERED LAST -- HE MADE HIS FORTUNE DEALING WITH THE ROCK FELLERS AND THE ROBBER BARONS OF THE WORLD, AND AS THEY FOUGHT OVER MINNESOTA'S IRON RANGE IN THE 1890s, AND FORMED U.S. STEEL, AND CHESTER, CHESTER DID GOOD WITH HIS STOCK.

HE'D BOUGHT YEARS EARLIER.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> Cathy: BOOK STORES AROUND THE STATE?

>> HARE MAR BARNS AND NOBLE, AND GAL REA BARNS AND NOBLE.

ONLINE AT -- >> Eric: GOOD LUCK WITH IT.

>> THANK YOU.

>> ♪ SAY YEAH!

♪ ♪ >> CATHY: THE LAST FEW WEEKS HAVE BEEN A BROKEN RECORD.

LOOMING LEGISLATIVE DEALS THAT SEEMED CERTAIN, ONLY TO DRAG OUT AND NEVER QUITE BECOME CERTAIN.

THERE WERE ONCE HOPES THIS WEEK FOR A FRIDAY SPECIAL SESSION.

THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

NOR WILL THERE BE A SESSION TOMORROW.

MONDAY?

WELL, PERHAPS.

HERE TO TALK THE POLITICS OF ALL THIS: SARAH WALKER, DFL-ER AND LEGISLATIVE LOBBYIST.

SHE'S JOINED BY JAVIER MORILLO ALICEA.

HE'S A DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE MEMBER.

REPUBLICANS TONIGHT ARE REPRESENTED BY TWO BRIANS.

BRIAN MCCLUNG IS IN THE MEDIA RELATIONS BUSINESS.

BRIAN MCDANIEL LOBBIES AT THE LEGISLATURE.

SARAH, SARAH, SARAH, ARE WE REALLY GOING TO GET INTO A PARTIAL GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN OVER THE DUTIES OF THE STATE AUDITOR?

>> WELL, NO, I DON'T BELIEVE FOR ONE SECOND THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO GO INTO SHUTDOWN BUT I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT GOVERNOR DAYTON WAS IN FACT HIMSELF AN AUDITOR AND UNDERSTANDS THE JOB BETTER THAN MOST PEOPLE AND I ALSO THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT STRANGE THAT REPUBLICANS WHO HAVE BEEN SO FOCUSED ON GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTABILITY AND HOW TAX DOLLARS ARE SPENT WANT TO ACTUALLY UNDERMINE ONE OF THE CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICES, MAJOR AUTHORITIES, AND I JUST THINK WE NEED MORE TIME FOR THE CITIZENS TO VET THIS PROCESS AND SEE IF THIS IS THE RIGHT DIRECTION FOR MINNESOTA.

>> Cathy: I HEAR THAT YOU'VE BEEN LOBBYING ON BEHALF -- >> YEAH, WELL, I REPRESENT THE ASSOCIATION OF MINNESOTA COUNTIES AND WE DEFINITELY BENEFIT FROM THIS, SO THIS IS NOT OUR PROPOSAL NECESSARILY, BUT WE DO SUPPORT IT.

THIS IS -- THIS IS MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING.

IT IS VERY HARD TO ARGUE WITH THE POLICY HERE.

CITIES, TOWNS, NOT OF THE FIRST CLASS, SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND 28 COUNTIES HAVE THIS VERY ABILITY.

ALL THIS WOULD DO WOULD ALLOW THE OTHER COUNTIES TO HAVE THE OPTION TO USE A PRIVATE AUDITOR, SOME OF THEM WILL DEFINITELY GO WITH THE STATE AUDITOR.

SOME COUNTIES, YOU KNOW -- I KNOW THAT THERE'S ONE COUNTY THAT WEIGHED IN, THAT WHERE THE ADMINISTRATOR WENT FROM A COUNTY THAT HAD PRIVATIZATION, TO A COUNTY THAT DOESN'T HAVE PRIVATIZATION AND TALKS ABOUT THAT IT'S A DIFFERENT LEVEL OF SERVICE AND IT IS MORE EXPENSIVE TO GO WITH THE STATE AUDITOR.

>> Eric: I THINK -- BUT TO ME THE QUESTION HERE, RIGHT, GOVERNOR ARNE CARLSON WROTE SOMETHING ABOUT THIS ON HIS BLOG, SAYING HE TOO WAS A FORMER STATE AUDITOR AND SAYING THAT THIS IS UNDERMINING A CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICE.

I'M ONE TO SAY, LOOK, IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TA CONVERSATION, LET'S HAVE IT.

LET'S HAVE IT IN THE PUBLIC.

AT A MINIMUM, WE COULD STUDY SOME AREAS, BUT THIS WAS DONE IN THE DARK OF NIGHT AND IT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN ELEMENT OF RETRIBUTION TO IT AS WELL, SO THERE'S JUST SOMETHING VERY UNSEEMLY ABOUT IT.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT THE GOVERNOR IS WILLING TO SAY LIKE FOR TRANSPARENCY AND GOOD GOVERNMENT THAT WE SHOULD DO THINGS OUT IN THE OPEN, NOT JUST UNDERMINE A CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICER BECAUSE WE DON'T LIKE THAT PARTICULAR -- >> IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THIS WAS UNSEEMLY.

THERE WERE HEARINGS THAT THE STATE AUDITOR'S OFFICE DID NOT COME TO.

AND SO THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN, AND AGAIN, AS BRIAN WAS TALKING \ THIS IS VOLUNTARY, RIGHT?

SO THE COUNTIES WOULD HAVE THE OPTION AND THERE'S ANOTHER THING THAT'S LIKE THAT.

GOVERNOR DAYTON WAS SAYING HIS PLAN FOR UNIVERSAL PREKINDERGARTEN WOULD BE VOLUNTARY AS WELL.

WHY IS EVERYBODY SO WORKED UP ABOUT THIS.

THIS WOULD BE VOLUNTARY FOR THE COUNTIES.

>> Eric: IS THE GOVERNOR UNDERMINED, SARAH, BECAUSE HE SIGNED THIS BILL?

>> I PERSONALLY DON'T REALLY THINK SO.

HE MADE THIS A PRIORITY.

EARLY ON IN SESSION.

HE INDICATED HE WOULD NOT SUPPORT THIS PROVISION.

FURTHERMORE, HE PUT IT ON HIS SPECIAL SESSION PRIORITIES.

SO I DON'T THINK THIS IS A SECRET TO ANYONE THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE PART OF THE END OF SESSION DYNAMICS.

I BELIEVE PROBABLY AND THIS IS, YOU KNOW, MY GUESS AND RUMORS THAT THIS IS THE REASON WHY THE JOBS BILL IS BEING HELD UP TO WAIT TO SEE IF THIS GOES IN.

I WOULD SAY THAT RIGHT NOW COUNTIES HAVE THE OPTION TO PETITION THE AUDITOR AND MAKE THIS -- AND, YOU KNOW, ASK TO BE BE EXCLUDED AND DO A PRIVATE AUDITED.

SO IT'S REALLY TO ME, IS SPEAKER DAUDT GOING TO HOLD THIS UP OVER SOMETHING THAT ESSENTIALLY ALREADY EXISTS?

>> TWO THINGS THERE.

ONE, IF SOMEBODY CAN EXPLAIN TO ME WHY IT'S OKAY FOR SOME COUNTIES, SOME CITIES, SOME TOWNSHIPS TO HAVE THIS ABILITY AND NOT OTHERS, IF THEY CAN TELL ME WHY THERE'S A DISCERNIBLE POLICY, I'LL BUY THEM A PONY.

THIS IS AIL BILL THAT WAS HEARD TWICE IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.

IT WAS IN THE HOUSE STATE GOVERNMENT FINANCE BILL.

IT WAS DEBATED IN CONFERENCE COMMITTEE.

IT WAS PASSED BY THE -- >> THE HOUSE ELIMINATING IT?

>> THE LANGUAGE -- >> OR DOING A STUDY ON IT?

>> THE LANGUAGE LIMB ELIMINATING.

>> BECAUSE YOU SAID EARLIER -- >> ANYWAY, THIS EXACT LANGUAGE WAS IN THE BILL.

IT WAS PASSED BY THE HOUSE, PASSED BY THE SENATE AND SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR.

THIS IS HOW BILLS ARE MADE.

>> Eric: HOW MUCH OF THIS IS IN REACTION TO HER VOTES AGAINST THE COPPER NICKEL LEASES IN NORTHEASTERN MINNESOTA?

>> Cathy: YOU SAID RETRIBUTION.

>> THAT'S WHAT GOVERNOR CARLSON ARGUES IN HIS PIECE, ESSENTIALLY JUST THAT, THAT THIS IS WAS SOMETHING THAT CAME IN AT THE LAST MINUTE, IT WAS FURTHER THAN WHAT PEOPLE HAD ASKED FOR AND THAT IT WAS ESSENTIALLY FOLKS WHO DO -- ARE CARRYING A GRUDGE AGAINST THE STATE AUDITOR ON THAT QUESTION.

>> THIS IS A PROVISION THAT DOESN'T TAKE EFFECT FOR 15 MONTHS, SO THERE'S ANOTHER LEGISLATIVE SESSION COMING UP WHERE THEY COULD DEAL WITH THIS, AND IN THE MEAN TIME IS GOVERNOR DAYTON GOING TO HOLD UP AVIAN BIRD FLU FUNDING, UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS FOR STEEL WORKERS AND PEOPLE THAT ARE AFFECTED BY AVIAN FLU?

IS HE GOING TO HOLD UP FUNDING FOR FLOOD RELIEF?

ALL OF THAT FOR A PROVISION THAT DOESN'T TAKE EFFECT UNTIL AFTER THE NEXT LEGISLATIVE SESSION, 15 MONTHS FROM NOW.

IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT'S NECESSARY.

AND NOW THIS IS HIS NUMBER ONE PRIORITY.

EARLIER IN THE SESSION, HIS NUMBER ONE PRIORITY WAS TRANSPORTATION.

THEN HIS NUMBER ONE PRIORITY WAS UNIVERSAL PRE-KINDERGARTEN.

NOW HIS NUMBER ONE PRIORITY IS PRESERVING THE STATE AUDITOR'S DUTIES.

HE HAS THESE KIND OF SHIFTING TARGETS.

>> I WOULD NEVER UNDERESTIMATE GOVERNOR DAYTON AND I ALSO SUSPECT HE'S USING THIS AS A LAST MINUTE BARGAIN IN THE JOBS BILL WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF CONTROVERSIAL PROVISIONS THAT WERE ALSO PUT IN AT THE LAST MINUTE AND THAT HE'S USING THIS AS A NEGOTIATING TOOL AS WELL, AND FURTHERMORE, WHY NOT DO A STUDY, IF IT'S GOING TO BE IMPLEMENTED IN 15 MONTHS, WE CAN DO A STUDY AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS -- >> ALL TOWNS, ALL CITIES, 28 DOWSM COUNTIES, WE KNOW WHAT IT DOES.

>> Eric: HAS IT BEEN STRANGE THAT THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR HAS BEEN DOING THE NEGOTIATING THIS WEEK?

>> I THINK WE HAVE A HISTORICALLY GREAT LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR.

TIMELY WE HAVE A LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR WHO'S ACTUALLY MAKING USE OF THE OFFICE AND SHE'S A POWERFUL FIGURE AND I'M GLAD THAT THE GOVERNOR IS USING HER TO HER FULLEST EXTENT AND TAIL TALENTS.

>> Cathy: BUT IS IT STRANGE TO YOU?

>> YEAH, IT'S A LITTLE STRANGE.

YOU WOULD EXPECT THE GOVERNOR WOULD BE PERSONALLY ENGAGED, I'VE HEARD FROM SOME LEGISLATORS, THAT GOVERNOR DAYTON DURING THE LAST THREE DAYS OF THE SESSION REALLY WAS NOT DIRECTLY PART OF THOSE NEGOTIATIONS.

ULTIMATELY HE'S THE ONE THAT HAS TO SIGN OR VETO BILLS, NOT HIS LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR.

SO YOU REALLY NEED THE PARTICIPATION OF A GOVERNOR TO SET IT STRAIGHT.

I THINK ONE OF THE STRANGEST THINGS FOR ME PERSONALLY WAS WHEN THERE WERE NEGOTIATIONS IN THE GOVERNOR'S MANSION AND THE SPEAKER AND THE SENATE MAJORITY LEADER COME OUT AND ANNOUNCE A DEAL WITHOUT THE GOVERNOR THERE AT THE GOVERNOR'S MANSION.

THE DYNAMICS OF THAT ARE VERY ODD.

WE'VE HAD A LOT OF CASES OVER THESE LAST FEW WEEKS OR YOU'VE HAD TWO OUT OF THE THREE DECIDERS WORKING TOGETHER AND NOT THE THIRD AND THAT SEEMS TO BE CAUSING THIS TO DRAG ON.

>> I MEAN, THE DYNAMICS BETWEEN THE SENATE MAJORITY LEADER AND THE GOVERNOR OBVIOUSLY ARE VERY -- HAVE BEEN STRAINED FOR A WHILE, ALL OF THIS SESSION.

BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, TO THIS QUESTION OF ON THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR, RIGHT, THERE'S A -- PEOPLE HAVE COMPLAINED ABOUT REPUBLICAN PROPOSALS TO GET RID OF THE OFFICE.

SHOULDN'T WE ALL BE GLAD THAT WE HAVE A LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR THAT IS ACTUALLY MAKING THE JOB MEAN SOMETHING?

>> Cathy: DO YOU THINK -- WELL, WHAT DO YOU THINK?

COULD THERE BE A SPECIAL SESSION ON MONDAY, OR IS THIS GOING TO KEEP DRAGGING OUT?

>> WELL, I MEAN, I THINK THAT -- IT CERTAINLY COULD BE DONE BY MONDAY.

ALL BILLS EXCEPT THE JOBS BILL WERE IN WAYS AND MEANS AND FINANCE TODAY, ON FRIDAY, SO THEY COULD BE GOOD TO GO.

BUT FOR THE JOBS BILL WHICH I THINK IS PROBABLY JUST ABOUT READY TO GO.

THEY COULD DO IT.

BUT I THINK AT THIS POINT, THE QUESTION'S GOING TO BE, IS THE GOVERNOR GOING TO HOLD ALL OF THESE THINGS UP TO RENEGOTIATE A BILL THAT -- THAT HE SIGNED TWO WEEKS AGO?

>> I THINK WHAT EVERYONE NEEDS TO KEEP IN MIND, LEGISLATORS NEED TO KEEP IN MIND, THE GOVERNOR'S NOT UP FOR REELECTION, AND THIS LOOKS LIKE, ONCE AGAIN, JUST A BIG LEGISLATIVE MESS, IN ST. PAUL, AND THEY WILL -- THEY WILL ALL CARRY THAT INTO THEIR REELECTIONS, AND SO PEOPLE -- LIKE ARE WE GOING TO HAVE THIS?

I THINK YES BECAUSE THE GOVERNOR HAS A LOT OF CARDS TO PLAY HERE.

>> AND ULTIMATELY YOU'RE SAYING WHY ARE WE HAVING THE SPECIAL SESSION?

THESE BILLS, I MEAN, WE HAVE THE THREE VETOED BILLS, SO COMING BACK WITH FIVE BILLS IN THE SPECIAL SESSION, THOSE FIRST THREE ARE ESSENTIALLY IDENTICAL TO THE FIRST BILLS THAT WERE VETOED.

SO WHY ARE WE GOING THROUGH THIS WHOLE EXERCISE?

IT SEEMS LIKE WHAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO BE HANDLED EARLIER, AND I THINK IF THE GOVERNOR HAD BEEN CLEARER EARLIER -- >> I DON'T THINK IT'S INSIGNIFICANT THAT THE GOVERNOR IS ACTUALLY PRIORITIZING OUR FUTURE BY INVESTING MORE MONEY IN PREEING AND INCREASING THE NUMBER OF DOLLARS IN OUR SCHOOL FORMULAS.

THE REPUBLICANS' ORIGINAL BUDGET ONLY ADDED 1% TO K-12, WHICH ULTIMATELY WOULD -- >> Eric: GOT TO RUN.

THANKS, PANEL.

>> Cathy: WE'LL KEEP TALKING HERE.

♪ ♪ >> THANKS, JENNIFER.

DO THEY HAVE ANY SNAKES >> THERE'S LOTS OF THINGS.

WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FIND A SPECTACULAR SPECIMEN AND WE'RE REALLY LUCKY, WE MIGHT FIND ONE OF THE BIGGER SNAKES FOUND IN MINNESOTA?

>> YOU MEAN LIKE A RATTLE SNAKE?

>> NO, THERE ARE NO RATTLE SNAKES DOWN THERE.

AT LEAST WE HOPE NOT.

>> ERIC: THAT WAS J.G.

PRESTON TEN YEARS AGO.

LET'S MOVE RIGHT ALONG TO LAST WEEK'S MINNESOTA HISTORY QUESTION.

IT CONCERNED A NOTED AMERICAN OF THE LAST CENTURY.

THIS MYSTERY PERSON, POSITIVELY NOT SEEN HERE, SPOKE DURING THE SAME WEEK IN 1939 AT CARLETON COLLEGE AND MACALESTER COLLEGE.

HOW NOTABLE WAS THIS PERSON?

FAMOUS ENOUGH TO APPEAR ON A U.S. POSTAGE STAMP MORE THAN ONCE.

AS ALWAYS, WE MADE IT YOUR JOB TO TELL US WHO THIS PERSON IS.

WHAT NOTED AMERICAN SPOKE AT MACALESTER AND CARLETON DURING A WEEK IN 1939?

THE WRONG ANSWER TRAIN IS PULLING UP TO THE STATION.

LET'S OPEN THE DOORS AND SEE WHO GETS OUT.

>> ERIC: CHARLES LINDBERG HAS INDEED APPEARED ON U.S.

STAMP MORE THAN ONCE, BUT HE DIDN'T MAKE THOSE SPEECHES IN OCTOBER OF 1939. WHO DID?

ONLY ONE OF YOU CONTACTED US WITH THE RIGHT ANSWER.

THAT WOULD BE TODD, THE PRIDE OF CRYSTAL.

>> ERIC: YES, FAMED TUSKEGEE INSTITUTE BOTANIST AND EDUCATOR GEORGE WASHINGTON CARVER WAS THE PERSON WE SOUGHT.

IN 1948, CARVER BECAME THE SECOND AFRICAN-AMERICAN TO APPEAR ON A U.S. POSTAGE STAMP.

CARVER WAS AGAIN FEATURED ON A STAMP IN 1998.

1999.

WE HAVE NEW QUESTION FOR YOU OF MORE RECENT VINTAGE.

IN AUGUST OF 1976, NATIONAL ATTENTION WAS FOCUSED ON SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED AT A TWINS GAME AT OLD MET STADIUM.

THIS NOTEWORTHY HAPPENING DID NOT TAKE PLACE DURING THE GAME ITSELF, BUT IT DID HAPPEN ON THE FIELD.

A WEEK LATER IN ANOTHER AMERICAN BALLPARK, THE PERSON INVOLVED AGAIN MADE NEWS.

SO THINK OF UNUSUAL EVENTS AT THE OLD MET STADIUM, AND ANSWER OUR QUESTION.

WHAT ON-FIELD INCIDENT MADE NEWS AT MET STADIUM IN AUGUST OF 1976?

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♪ ♪ [ PHONE RINGING ] >> David: GO.

>> HILARIOUS ARCHIVE CLIP.

>> David: ON MY WAY.

BACKGROUND?

>> R.T. RYBACK, FORMER MAYOR OF MINNEAPOLIS, 82, EXCELLENT HAIR, TALKING ABOUT DATING.

>> David: ROLL IT.

>> BEST PICK UP SITES IN TOWN.

I'VE GONE INTO LUND'S ALMOST EVERY NIGHT FOR THREE YEARS, HUNG AROUND THE PRODUCE, HUNG AROUND THE DELI, NOTHING.

>> David: WHAT ELSE?

GIVE IT TO ME.

>> AN INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME MIGHT FIND THE CHALLENGING REMARK HIMSELF.

>> David: WHOA.

>> MASHUP POTENTIAL.

>> David: TRY ABBA.

♪ ♪ >> David: TRY ADDING A VINTAGE ERIC ESKO LA.

♪ ♪ >> THAT ENOUGH FOR A WRAP?

>> David: TOTALLY.

LONG WEEKEND.

>> YES.