
New Hampshire Gov. Sununu works to stop Trump's renomination
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New Hampshire Gov. Chris Sununu goes all out to stop Trump's renomination
With election year 2024 now fully underway, the effort to understand what is dividing Americans politically has become even more urgent. For her "America at a Crossroads" series, Judy Woodruff turned to New Hampshire for a look at how popular Republican Gov. Chris Sununu is going all out to persuade voters to stop what looks to some like the inevitable renomination of former President Trump.
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New Hampshire Gov. Sununu works to stop Trump's renomination
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With election year 2024 now fully underway, the effort to understand what is dividing Americans politically has become even more urgent. For her "America at a Crossroads" series, Judy Woodruff turned to New Hampshire for a look at how popular Republican Gov. Chris Sununu is going all out to persuade voters to stop what looks to some like the inevitable renomination of former President Trump.
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Learn Moreabout PBS online sponsorshipto understand what is dividing Americans# politically has become even more urgent.
For her America at a Crossroads series,## Judy Woodruff turned to New Hampshire to look# at how a popular all out to persuade voters there to stop the# renomination of former President Donald Trump.
JUDY WOODRUFF: The big winner in Iowa's# GOP caucuses this week drew even bigger## cheers from his supporters, there and across# the country.
But among those Republicans who## don't want the former president back# in the White House, it brought dread.
GOV.
CHRIS SUNUNU (R-NH): OK, now we got a binary# choice, and with that one-on-one race going in... JUDY WOODRUFF: And a determination# to derail the Trump train.
GOV.
CHRIS SUNUNU: The only# candidate that has set the## expectations that he's absolutely# So , if he doesn't win one of these# states, that would be a massive upse I think a shocker and really# crack the national narrative,## if you will, that it's just Trump's# party and he's just going to win.
If she's Tom Brady, I'm Jerod Mayo.# I guess I'm the new guy on the scene.## I'm directing it a little bit, and# we're going to deliver a big win.
JUDY WOODRUFF: New Hampshire's four-term# Republican G himself into an effort to persuade# his constituents that the path to## heal the country's polarization and get# back to normalcy begins with defeating## Trump and handing a win to former# South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley.
GOV.
CHRIS SUNUNU: Nikki, this is Joe.
JUDY WOODRUFF: As a longtime Hampshire myself this week to listen to# voters and follow Governor Sununu around.
But thanks to a fall I took last# week, I can't travel for a while,## so I ended up speaking with the governor remotely.
GOV.
CHRIS SUNUNU: But you have got to# get behind somebody who can st uff done.
It's not who agrees with# you on pol of the policy.
But who can actually# achieve the goals?
Who can actually## secure the border?
Who can bring down# inflation?
Who can be fiscally responsible?
Trump didn't do any of that.
Nikki can# do it, right?
And so that's why I think## you're seeing her numbers surge more than any# other.
It's kind of like the empe clothes.
Once people realize it, they go,# oh, wait a minute, we have a choice here.
He flies in, tells everyone what he thinks,## and flies out.
That ain't campaigning.
JUDY WOODRUFF: And Governor Sununu argues that not## only is Haley better for the country;# Am erica is as divided as we have seen it in# a very long time.
Do you think this election## will make that worse or will have any effect# on the polarization?
How do you see that?
GOV.
CHRIS SUNUNU: If we elect the# wrong person, it gets worse.
And if## we elect the right person, it gets b it just gets -- it's like throwing gasoline on a# firework.
It's just going to get so much worse.
We have a packed house out here in Hollis.
JUDY WOODRUFF: That's a feeling voters# LO RRAINE ARBORE, New Hampshire Voter: I mean, he's# campaigning and back in court and campaigning.## But, I mean, what does that say about our# leadership, our morals, our integrity, our just... JIM TOLLNER, New Hampshire Voter: I think the# last few presidencies have done that all the## way back to Obama, you know?
And I think Trump# put a huge divide in the country just b rhetoric and the way he -- the lack of respect# that he has for people.
That's the divide.
MARK CROTEAU, Haley Campaign Volunteer:# People are afraid to put a lawn sign in## front of their house and so -- and publicly# declare that t Donald Trump.
People seem to be afraid# of that.
And I think we all know why.
JUDY WOODRUFF: How much genuine# support do you think there is out## there in the country and in your# state for former President Trump?
GOV.
CHRIS SUNUNU: The genuine support is# not strong.
It's that 35 percent th have always talked about, that really base voter,## 35 percent.
That is strong.
That's there.
An walls for the former president, because# they feel like he shares their an And that's all it is.
There's no policy connection# there.
It's anger.
It's frustration.
Most of t others are kind of -- they kind of go along# to get along a little bit.
They say, well,## he's going to be the guy, so we will just get# behind him.
We will get behind him be don't want to get pushed back on social# media or have to explain all this For some folks, it's just become the easier path.
NIKKI HALEY (R), Presidential Candidate:# We can't have world on fire and go through four more# ye JUDY WOODRUFF: In New Hampshire this week,## Haley continued to argue t NIKKI HALEY: But, rightly or wrongly,## chaos follows him.
You know# I'm right.
Chaos follows him.
GOV.
CHRIS SUNUNU: I mean,# she's all about small business.
JUDY WOODRUFF: A point that# resonated with at Trump supporter who heard Haley# for MICHAEL ELDRIDGE, New Hampshire Voter: I# ain't going to lie.
I have always been a Trump## supporter.
And what she's talking about, abo not so much on his part, because I# don't believe it's 100 percent him.
JUDY WOODRUFF: When you talk about# the things that he didn't get done## as being one of the main reasons you don't# support him, whe she talks about the chaos and# the destruction that follow him.
But my question is, to what extent is he# responsible for that chaos and destructio GOV.
CHRIS SUNUNU: Almost all of it,# I mean, pretty much all -- I mean,## all of it at its core, right?
I mean, let# th e chaos and all that is about January 6 and# election denial.
That's just a piece of it.
And those issues actually don't --# aren't really coming into the mind-set## of the voter.
Most Republican# primary voters don't consider the January 6 or the election denial --# regardless of what they think th ey're not voting on that.
But there# is chaos and disruption around him.
But that's the way he's been kind# of his whole life, right?
Now,## it got exacerbated as he hit the national# stage.
It got exacerbated frustrated with what he wasn't getting# done in Washington, D.C., the outburst,## the attacks on the media, the attacks on anybody# who was against him, as opposed to saying,## hey, we can disagree, but let's find a path# forward.
Let's find those pieces we agree on He didn't have those skills.
He lacks skills# of getting stuff done in the public sphere,## because you have to negotiate.
You have to work## with folks.
You have to find# some sort of c JUDY WOODRUFF: So, Governor, I hear you# saying that former President Tr do what he said he was going to do when he was in# office.
You have talked abou You have talked about -- you said a minute ago# he's not a Republican, he's not a conservative.
But you have also said you would support# him if he's the nominee of the party.
GOV.
CHRIS SUNUNU: Sure.
Yes, I mean,# because the alternative is Joe Biden.
Look, I'm -- what Biden has done, the# way he has let down both this country## and Democrats -- I have Democrats coming up# to me constantly that are completely let down## by Joe Biden.
And just understanding that# where Biden is today, with his age, right,# that's not a political hit, just physically,# does he have four more strong years in him?
Well, of course not.
Nobody believes that right# now.
There's a lot of things to consider in terms## of getting this country back on track and moving# forward.
I don't think either of them woul a fantastic job, but if I had to go with someone,# of course, we're going t because, fundamentally, I'm hoping# he surrounds himself with other good## Republicans that share a little more of my# ability and our necess I have no faith and Joe Biden has# proven no ability to manage his team.
JUDY WOODRUFF: And just to be clear,# your statement about President Trump,## if he's the nominee, even if he is convicted# of a felony between now and then, you... (CROSSTALK) likely not to be convicted of a felony.
Things# will be appealed.
This stuff My point in saying that, if anything, is, you# don't wait for a conviction to happen to stop## Donald Trump.
Don't wait for some external# factor to stop Donald Trump.
That's not## going to happen.
You beat him in the ballot# box.
That's how you -- quote -- "get rid of## Trump," if you think Trump's a threat or# you understand he's not a conservative.
For whatever reason, you don't want to# see Trump as the standard-bearer of the Republican Party anymore, it happens in# the ballot boxes.
democracy isn't just Donald Trump.
It's# people staying home, not participating,## believing that their vote doesn't matter, or# they don't have a choice or anything like that,## that everything's being run behind the curtain.
That's not the case.
Your vote matters.
Your## opportunity to participate matters.# And the more folks that co the more change that happens.
And that's what# everyone's looking for.
So let's make it ha JUDY WOODRUFF: That's what Governor Sununu# will continue to spend his energies on,## ahead of the primary on Tuesday.
For the "PBS NewsHour," and with reporting# from across the st I'm Judy Woodruff in Washington.
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