
Citizen investigators help FBI track down Jan. 6 rioters
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How citizen investigators are helping the FBI track down Jan. 6 rioters
The Jan. 6 investigation is the largest FBI operation in history. More than 1200 people have been charged and over 900 convicted. But it has stretched the bureau’s resources and has often had to rely on the work of citizen investigators who came to be known as 'sedition hunters.' Judy Woodruff spoke with one of these anonymous sleuths as part of her series, America at a Crossroads.
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Citizen investigators help FBI track down Jan. 6 rioters
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The Jan. 6 investigation is the largest FBI operation in history. More than 1200 people have been charged and over 900 convicted. But it has stretched the bureau’s resources and has often had to rely on the work of citizen investigators who came to be known as 'sedition hunters.' Judy Woodruff spoke with one of these anonymous sleuths as part of her series, America at a Crossroads.
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More# than 1,200 people have been charged and over## 900 convicted so far, and hundreds more charges# are expected before the investigation concludes.
But it has stretched the bureau's resources,# and it's often had to rely on the work of a## bipartisan group of citizen investigators# who came to be known as sedition hunters.
Judy Woodruff spoke with one of these anonymous## sleuths as part of her ongoing# series America a SANDY, Citizen Investigator: In the beginning,# it was intense.
I would drop my children off## at school, I would come home, and I# would be on it almost like a workday.
And then once the kids were in# bed, I was up until 2:00, 3:00,## 4:00, and then waking up a couple hours# later.
It takes its toll, definitely.
JUDY WOODRUFF: Sandy, like many Americans,# was paying close attention January 6, 2021.
DONALD TRUMP, Former President of# the United States (R) and Current## and if you don't fight l JUDY WOODRUFF: As an angry mob# of then-President Donald Trump## supporters violently broke through police# lines and stormed the Capi RIOTERS: Hang Mike Pence!
Hang# Mike Pence!
Hang Mike Pence!
"Shots have been fired," and I don't thin JUDY WOODRUFF: In the following days, Sandy, not# her real name, joined a massive citizen effort## to identify the individuals who broke into# the Capitol.
She's been directly responsible## for helping to put people behind bars, and she now# has to hide her identity, for fear of retaliation.
SANDY: One of the more insidious# ones would be a J6er who is yet## to be arrested.
He started sending me# like, videos of him racking his gun.
JUDY WOODRUFF: Sandy is today part of an informal# community of dozens of ordinary Americans who## came to be known as sedition hunters.
Over# time, they developed their own methodologies,## guidelines, even a software application# to keep track of every individual rioter,## giving each one a pseudonym and compiling# dossiers of evidence that they then turned## over to the Federal Bureau of Investigation,# along with the rioters' real identity.
SANDY: One of the first things is just getting a# face.
And there is one rioter, #OrangeGoggleSpiker## is his hashtag, you can see him in the tunnel# section of the Capitol beating up the officers.
Eventually, when I found his face, we# were able to plug it into some facial## recognition software.
That popped# up a picture of him at his work.
(LAUGHTER) Scott Miller, which they submitted to the FBI,## along with evidence of his actions on# January 6.
He has since been arrested.
RYAN REILLY, NBC News Justice Reporter: One# of the sedition hunters pages has all these## images that shows you who's been identified,# who has not.
So you see like a th e blue here, are the people who've been# identified already, but not get arrested JUDY WOODRUFF: Also following the investigation# closely is Ryan Reilly an NBC News repor new book, "Sedition Hunters: How January# 6th Broke the Justice System," spells out## how the FBI has struggled to investigate the# thousands of people who stormed the Capitol.
RYAN REILLY: The FBI was so overwhelmed# with the number of tips that they were## receiving.
They had received hundreds of# thousands of tips.
And now you th e FBI going to the sleuths, saying, hey,# can you help us out?
We charge th we want to make sure we got everything that he# did that day.
Can you give us a full report?
They don't have the technological capabilities# that they need to really pull this together.
JUDY WOODRUFF: Is the FBI that# far behind in terms of technology?
RYAN REILLY: They really just are sort# of behind on open-source intelligence.## One of the jokes within the FBI is# yesterday's technology tomorrow.
JUDY WOODRUFF: Reilly says it's estimated that# about 3,000 people unlawfully entered the damaged property or assaulted police officers# on January 6.
The FBI has charged more than## 1,200 of them so far, but the citizen sleuths have# identified and submitted tips on about 1,000 more.
RYAN REILLY: They're not going to be able to# get the number of people who could actually be## charged with crimes on January 6.
We're going# to end this investigation when st atute of limitations expires with people# who are identified, but not yet arrested.
JUDY WOODRUFF: The FBI said in a# statement that each tip is only the## beginning of an investigation and that# they are working diligently to gather## sufficient evidence for prosecutors# to bring charges in these cases.
The FBI did not address the question# of whether its technology is outdated,## but acknowledged that its work has been --# quote -- "greatly assisted by the many tips## provided by the public" -- end quote, adding# it hopes these tips continue to come in.
But Reilly says the FBI's technology isn't the## only reason for what he calls# a backlog of January 6 cases.
RYAN REILLY: We do have a lot of people# within the FBI who are not so enthusiastic## about bringing these cases against people# who attacked the Capitol on January 6.
JUDY WOODRUFF: Are there still# people in the FBI not enthusiastic?
RYAN REILLY: There are, and I say that because# some of these have come out and said that publicly.
They have# resigned from the FBI because of these cases.
JUDY WOODRUFF: Reilly points out that,# in addition to current and former law## enforcement officials pushing conspiracy# theories, members of Congress have investigations into January 6 and also contributed# to misinformation about what happened that day.
REP. MATT GAETZ: Some of the people# who breached the Capitol today## were not Trump supporters.
They were# masquerading a in fact, were members of the# violent terrorist group Antifa.
JUDY WOODRUFF: These included the new speaker# of the House, Mike Johnson, who in the run-up## to January 6 took the lead in filing a lawsuit# to overturn the 2020 presidential election## results.
He has said he plans to make public video# footage from January 6, but with faces blurred.
REP. MIKE JOHNSON (R-LA): We have to# blur some of the faces of persons who## participated in the events of# that day because we don't want## them to be retaliated against# and to be charged by the DOJ.
SANDY: If he's going to blur# the faces because he's afraid## that sedition hunters are going to# identify more criminals, go fo buddy.
Like, it doesn't matter to# us.
We can look at their clothing.
JUDY WOODRUFF: This is the largest federal# investigation ever undertaken.
And although## Sandy is at the heart of it, having# helped identify hundreds of rioters,## almost nobody in her life knows about her work.
SANDY: People want to know what you have been up# to, and you you want to say, and you can't.
I will just# default to the kids and what they JUDY WOODRUFF: You're not# getting paid for this, are you?
SANDY: No.
No.
I haven't gotten yo ur neighbors, your fellow citizens# dedicating their time, their money,## and their energy in holding people accountable.
We have some that voted for Trump, and# then after J6 were disgusted by it,## because they took the peaceful transfer# of power and just stomped all over it,## literally.
And then they# called themselves patriots.
CYNTHIA MILLER-IDRISS, American# University: I wish we were in## a wo we're in a world where the FBI doesn't have# the resources to do these investigations.
JUDY WOODRUFF: Cynthia Miller-Idriss is# the director of American University's## Polarization and Extremism# Research and Innovation Lab.
CYNTHIA MILLER-IDRISS: We don't have# the capacity in any law enforcement## agency to handle a surge of political# violence or hate-fueled violence whe that -- when it's driven by misinformation that# is believed by millions and millions of people.
JUDY WOODRUFF: She says now that members of the# public are engaging in violent extremist acts,## it's a far greater challenge for law# enforcement to prevent and to counter.
CYNTHIA MILLER-IDRISS: It's no longer just on# the fringes when you're talking about people## in the mainstream spontaneously taking# up violent action for a poli And I know everyone in my field is watching# the year to come with a lot of concern.
JUDY WOODRUFF: Although she says she believes# the prosecutions in the January 6 investigation## have degraded the ability of extremist# groups to organize mass mobilizations,## Professor Miller-Idriss says that# the focus must expand to addressing## the root causes of extremism,# where radical beliefs originate.
CYNTHIA MILLER-IDRISS: We put almost all# of our eggs in the basket of Department of## Justice and think that the security side# of it will solve it.
It has to but so does the Department of Education# and agencies that work with youths,## that work with the elderly, that# work with digital and media literacy.
SANDY: I would like to have an ability to counter## this disinformation that led us# there.
It's incredibly frustrating.
JUDY WOODRUFF: Sandy has seen the effects of# disinformation firsthand in her own family.
SANDY: I haven't spoken to a few of my cousins# since January 6 because they support it.
We're## divided, and I don't know how to pull us back# together.
I don't know how it's going to change.
JUDY WOODRUFF: For the "PBS NewsHour,"# I'm Judy Woodruff in Washington, D.C.
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