♪ MUSIC REPORT FROM SANTA FE IS MADE POSSIBLE, IN PART, BY GRANTS FROM THE NEW MEXICO MUNICIPAL LEAGUE, A BETTER NEW MEXICO THROUGH BETTER CITIES AND FROM THE HEALY FOUNDATION, TAOS, NM.

HELLO, I'M LORENE MILLS AND WELCOME TO A VERY SPECIAL EDITION OF REPORT FROM SANTA FE BECAUSE OUR GUEST TODAY IS INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST EXTRAORDINAIRE, AMY GOODMAN, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

>>AMY: IT'S GREAT TO BE WITH YOU, LORENE, GREAT TO BE BACK HERE AT SANTA FE AND AT THE ROUNDHOUSE WHERE YOU HAVE THIS WONDERFUL STUDIO.

>>LORENE: IT'S TRUE, IT'S TRUE.

YOU'RE HERE FOR THE WESTERN PREMIERE OF YOUR AMAZING DOCUMENTARY CALLED STEAL THIS STORY, PLEASE.

I LOVE THE NAME OF THAT.

IT'S A NEW MEXICO PREMIERE OF THE SHOW AND YOU'RE HERE AS PART OF THE SANTA FE INTERNATIONAL FILM FESTIVAL, WHICH IS BEING HELD NOW, AND I'M SO GLAD IT BROUGHT YOU HERE.

ANYTIME YOU COME BACK I WANT TO TALK WITH YOU.

>>AMY: OH, IT'S SO EXCITING, AND YOU KNOW THE FILM ENDS AT THE LENSIC THEATER WHERE WE ARE PREMIERING THIS FILM.

>>LORENE: THAT'S SO PERFECT, PERFECT.

>>AMY: YES, IT WAS ME GIVING A TALK YEARS AGO, AND IT'S SO WONDERFUL TO BE BACK HERE.

>>LORENE: FULL CIRCLE, FULL CIRCLE.

IT WAS CREATED BY FILMMAKERS CARL DEAL AND TIA LESSIN.

>>AMY: YES, THEY ARE OSCAR-NOMINATED FILMMAKERS, EMMY AWARD-WINNING FILMMAKERS, THEY WERE MICHAEL MOORE'S PRODUCERS, THEY DID AN AMAZING FILM ABOUT KATRINA.

TIA LESSIN DID A FILM CALLED THE JANES ABOUT THIS UNDERGROUND NETWORK PROVIDING ABORTION IN CHICAGO.

>>LORENE: THEY PORTRAY IN THIS FILM, BECAUSE IT IS ABOUT YOU, BUT THE JOURNALISM'S POWER AND PERIL IN THE AGE OF CORPORATE CONTROL AND FEROCIOUS ATTACK ON TRUTH.

>>AMY: OH, ABSOLUTELY, I MEAN THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A TIME WHERE WE SEE THE THREAT TO THE MEDIA MORE BY CORPORATIONS CONSOLIDATING AND FEWER AND FEWER CORPORATIONS OWNING THE MEDIA THAN WE DO TODAY.

WHETHER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ABC, WHETHER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CBS, WITH SKYDANCE, PARAMOUNT TAKING OVER THESE CORPORATE MERGERS THAT WILL SO DEEPLY AFFECT THE CONTENT OF WHAT PEOPLE GET.

>>LORENE: WELL, THIS SET AGAINST A KIND OF CULTURAL DISINTEGRATION OF THE VERY IDEA OF TRUTH, THAT THERE IS ONE OBJECTIVE REALITY, AND WE ALL AGREE THE SKY IS BLUE, UP IS DOWN, THERE ARE SO MANY EROSIONS ON THE BASIC SHARED REALITY THAT WE ALL HAVE.

I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE FIGHT THAT YOU HAVE DONE AGAINST THIS EROSION OF TRUTH AND REALITY, YOU ARE REALLY THE JOAN OF ARC OF INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISTS.

>>AMY: WELL, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT, BUT WHAT I WILL SAY IS I THINK INDEPENDENT MEDIA IS ESSENTIAL TO THE FUNCTIONING OF A DEMOCRATIC SOCIETY.

WE HAVE TO SAFEGUARD IT, WE HAVE TO PROTECT IT AND THE WAY WE PROTECT IT MOST IS BY CONTINUING TO DO IT AND BY PEOPLE CONTINUING TO TUNE IN AND DEMAND THE TRUTH.

YOU KNOW, FREEDOM OF PRESS IS SO IMPORTANT, BUT THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S ALL ABOUT PEOPLE'S RIGHT TO KNOW AND THAT'S HOW YOU MAKE INFORMED DECISIONS, THAT'S HOW A DEMOCRACY FUNCTIONS.

>>LORENE: AND THERE'S SUCH A GRATITUDE, EVEN THOUGH PART OF BRINGING, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A VERY BITTER AND HORRIFYING PARTS OF OUR REALITY, AND YET YOU HAVE TO STILL SAY, LOOK AT THIS.

AND THERE'S THE OLD TOLSTOY QUESTION ABOUT WHAT CAN I DO, IF NOT ME, WHO, IF NOT NOW, WHEN AND THAT'S THE SPIRIT AND RESPONSE THAT WE WANT TO GET.

I THINK PEOPLE ARE REALLY GRATEFUL WHEN THEY'RE SHOWN WHAT'S GOING ON AND THAT THEY CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE, THAT THERE'S A WAY THEY CAN DO TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE PAIN AND SUFFERING.

>>AMY: I MEAN, IT'S OUR JOB TO SHOW WHAT IS HAPPENING ON THE GROUND, TO SHOW THE REALITY AND IT ALWAYS MAKES ME THINK OF EMMETT TILL.

EMMETT TILL WAS THIS 14-YEAR-OLD AFRICAN AMERICAN BOY FROM CHICAGO, HIS MOTHER WANTED HIM OUT OF THE CITY FOR THE SUMMER, AND SO SHE SENT HIM TO HIS AUNT AND UNCLE AND COUSINS IN MONEY, MISSISSIPPI.

HE WAS LYNCHED BY A WHITE MOB, HE ENDED UP IN THE BOTTOM OF THE TALLAHATCHIE RIVER AND WHEN HIS BODY WAS SENT BACK TO CHICAGO, HIS MOTHER, MAMIE TILL MOBLEY, SAID, I WANT THE CASKET OPEN FOR THE WAKE AND THE FUNERAL.

I WANT THE WORLD TO SEE THE RAVAGES OF RACISM, THE BRUTALITY OF BIGOTRY.

SO THOUSANDS STREAMED BY HIS CASKET AND SAW AND THEN JET MAGAZINE AND OTHER BLACK PUBLICATIONS TOOK PHOTOGRAPHS, AND THEY WERE PUBLISHED, AND THEY WERE SEARED INTO THE HISTORY AND CONSCIOUSNESS OF THIS COUNTRY.

MAMIE TILL HAD SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT TO TEACH THE PRESS OF TODAY, SHOW THE PICTURES, SHOW THE IMAGES.

>>LORENE: TO MAKE THAT DEATH BE OF GREATER VALUE, TO LET IT BE A LESSON, BEHOLDING IT WOULD TRANSFORM ANYONE WHO SAW WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM.

PART OF HER GRIEF WAS TO PUT THAT OUT AND MAKE SOMETHING GOOD COME FROM THAT HORRIBLE DEATH.

>>AMY: THAT'S RIGHT, AND IT'S OUR JOB CONTINUING HALF A CENTURY LATER, TO REALLY EMBODY THOSE WORDS TOO AND THAT INTENTION OF MAMIE IS THAT WE SEE THE REALITY ON THE GROUND.

>>LORENE: I WANT TO TAKE A MINUTE TO TALK ABOUT YOUR AWARDS, I'LL MAKE IT QUICK BECAUSE YOU KNOW THEM ALL.

YOU GOT THE THOMAS RUTTAN AWARD IN 2004, THE RIGHT LIVELIHOOD AWARD IN 2008, THE IZZY AWARD IN 2009 FOR SPECIAL ACHIEVEMENT IN INDEPENDENT MEDIA.

IN 2012, YOU RECEIVED THE GANDHI PEACE AWARD FOR SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTION TO THE PROMOTION OF ENDURING INTERNATIONAL PEACE.

AND IN 2014, THE I.F.

STONE MEDAL FOR INDEPENDENT JOURNALISM.

CONGRATULATIONS!

>>AMY: THANK YOU, AND I MEAN IT'S A GREAT HONOR TO BE GIVEN THE I.F.

STONE AWARD BECAUSE HE WAS THIS GREAT MUCKRAKING JOURNALIST WHO SAID TO STUDENTS, "IF YOU CAN REMEMBER TWO WORDS REMEMBER, GOVERNMENTS LIE, IF YOU CAN REMEMBER THREE WORDS REMEMBER, ALL GOVERNMENTS LIE."

IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE THIS COUNTERBALANCE IN SOCIETY, IT IS THE COUNTERBALANCE TO TYRANNY AND THAT IS WHY IT'S THE FIRST AMENDMENT, FREEDOM OF THE PRESS AND FREEDOM OF SPEECH, THE VERY FIRST AMENDMENT.

IT'S ESSENTIAL TO THE FUNCTIONING OF A DEMOCRATIC SOCIETY.

>>LORENE: SO, 25 YEARS AGO, YOU STARTED DEMOCRACY NOW!

>>AMY: THIRTY.

>>LORENE: THIRTY, OH GOSH, HOW TIME FLIES.

>>AMY: IN FEBRUARY, WE CELEBRATE OUR 30TH ANNIVERSARY, WE WILL.

>>LORENE: CONGRATULATIONS.

TALK ABOUT THE PROGRESS, YOU STARTED WITH WHAT?

>>AMY: WE STARTED ON LIKE EIGHT OR NINE COMMUNITY RADIO STATIONS.

WE STARTED ON PACIFICA RADIO, AND I THINK KUNM WAS AMONG THE FIRST TO RUN US HERE IN NEW MEXICO, AND WE SO DEEPLY APPRECIATE THE PARTNERSHIP WE'VE HAD WITH KUNM, AND THEN KSFR WHEN IT CAME ONLINE AND ON BOARD AND BROADCASTING, AND WITH NEW MEXICO PUBLIC, NEW MEXICO PBS.

I MEAN, WE REALLY CONSIDER NEW MEXICO A SANCTUARY OF DISSENT.

AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS, RIGHT NOW DISSENT IS BEING CRIMINALIZED, BUT DISSENT IS WHAT WILL SAVE US.

AND I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT WHEN PEOPLE ARE AT WORK AND THEY HEAR SOMEONE EXPRESS A DIFFERENT POINT OF VIEW THAT THEY DON'T GET ALARMED AND THE WAY THEY DON'T GET ALARMED IS IF THE MEDIA IS EXPRESSING PEOPLE'S DIFFERENT POINTS OF VIEW AND THEY CAN BE COMPLETELY AT ODDS WITH EACH OTHER, BUT THAT WE'RE USED TO HEARING DISSENT.

THAT IS NOT THE THREAT TO DEMOCRACY, WHAT'S THE THREAT IS WHEN YOU SQUELCH THAT AND THAT'S WHY THE MEDIA IS SO IMPORTANT.

SO WE STARTED ON NINE STATIONS, WE WERE GOING TO END AFTER THE ELECTION OF 1996.

WE WERE A DAILY ELECTION SHOW, THE ONLY ONE IN PUBLIC BROADCASTING, I THINK IT WAS CLINTON WHO GOT REELECTED THAT YEAR.

WE WERE PACKING UP AND THE STATION, SAID, NO, WE WANT MORE OF THIS, BECAUSE IT WAS A DAILY GRASSROOTS, GLOBAL, INTERNATIONAL INVESTIGATIVE NEWS HOUR, UNEMBEDDED.

THE IDEA, RUMSFELD AND BUSH PERFECTED THIS EMBEDDING PROCESS WHERE JOURNALISTS WOULD JOIN THE TROOPS AND THEY WOULD COVER THEM AS THEY WENT, FOR EXAMPLE, TO OCCUPY IRAQ.

>>LORENE: TOTALLY FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE TROOPS, THEY WERE EMBEDDED.

>>AMY: AND I'M NOT SAYING THOSE JOURNALISTS WEREN'T BRAVE, BUT WHAT DO YOU THINK YOU'RE GOING TO GET FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE.

YOU'RE EATING WITH THE TROOPS, YOU'RE SLEEPING WITH THE TROOPS, YOUR LIFE IS IN THEIR HANDS.

YOU HAVE TO NOT ONLY CLIMB INTO THE TANKS OR THE PLANES AND SHOW WHAT THE CONTROL BOARD LOOKS LIKE, YOU HAVE TO BE AT THE TARGET END BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE MOST PEOPLE ARE AND IT'S REALLY CRITICAL WE UNDERSTAND THE PRICE OF WAR.

AND THAT'S WHY I THINK THE MEDIA CAN BE THE GREATEST FORCE FOR PEACE ON EARTH AND INSTEAD, ALL TOO OFTEN, IT'S WIELDED AS A WEAPON OF WAR.

>>LORENE: WELL, YOU HAD A WAR EXPERIENCE IN EAST TIMOR, HOW DID THAT CHANGE YOU?

>>AMY: IT CHANGED ME COMPLETELY BECAUSE OF SEEING THE SUFFERING OF PEOPLE UP THAT CLOSE, I MEAN, MOST PEOPLE HAVE NEVER EVEN HEARD OF EAST TIMOR, BUT IN 1975 IT WAS INVADED BY INDONESIA, ONE OF THE LARGEST MILITARIES IN THE WORLD, BY LAND, BY AIR, AND BY SEA.

PRESIDENT FORD AND SECRETARY OF STATE HENRY KISSINGER HAD JUST VISITED WITH SUHARTO, THE DICTATOR OF INDONESIA, AND ESSENTIALLY GIVEN THE GO-AHEAD AND SO THE MILITARY INVADED, THE INDONESIAN MILITARY.

IT WAS ARMED, TRAINED, AND FINANCED BY THE UNITED STATES, 90% OF THE WEAPONS WERE FROM THE UNITED STATES.

THIS IS A SMALL, TINY HALF-ISLAND ABOUT 300 MILES ABOVE AUSTRALIA AND THEY OCCUPIED IT FOR DECADES, AND THEY COMMITTED ONE OF THE GREAT GENOCIDES OF THE LATE 20TH CENTURY.

I WENT THERE IN 1990 AND 1991 WITH MY COLLEAGUE ALAN NAIRN.

WHO WAS WRITING FOR THE NEW YORKER AND WHAT WE FOUND WAS A TRUE HELL ON EARTH.

BUT PEOPLE IN THE UNITED STATES HAD NO IDEA WHAT WAS GOING ON AND ON NOVEMBER 12, 1991, WE WERE COVERING YET ANOTHER PROTEST, PEOPLE, THE TIMORESE, MARCHING TO THE CEMETERY, PROTESTING ANOTHER YOUNG MAN BEING KILLED.

AND WE WERE INTERVIEWING PEOPLE, PRETTY STANDARD, ALTHOUGH IT WAS A PRETTY HORRIFYING SITUATION, AND THEN, FROM THE DIRECTION THE PROTESTERS HAD COME UP, WE SAW HUNDREDS OF INDONESIAN SOLDIERS ARMED WITH US M-16S.

WE WALKED TO THE FRONT OF THE CROWD, THINKING OUR PRESENCE COULD HEAD OFF THIS ATTACK, SO OFTEN, IF SOMETHING IS FILMED, IF SOMETHING IS RECORDED.

AN ARMY, MILITARY, A KILLER, DECIDES MAYBE THIS ISN'T THE WISEST THING TO DO, BUT THEY JUST OPENED FIRE AND THEY GUNNED PEOPLE DOWN RIGHT TO LEFT.

THEY KILLED OVER 270 PEOPLE.

I HAD MY MICROPHONE ABOVE MY HEAD, ALAN HAD THE CAMERA, AND THEY BEAT ME TO THE GROUND, ALAN THREW HIMSELF ON TOP OF ME, THEN THEY TOOK THEIR US M16S AND THEY PUT THEM AGAINST OUR HEADS, THEY HAD USED THEM AS BASEBALL BATS AND FRACTURED HIS SKULL.

I SAID WE'RE FROM AMERICA, WE'RE FROM AMERICA, THIS IS IN 1991.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT MADE THE DIFFERENCE, WE WERE FROM THE SAME COUNTRY THEIR WEAPONS WERE FROM, THEY WOULD HAVE TO PAY A PRICE FOR KILLING US THAT THEY HAD NEVER HAD TO PAY FOR KILLING THE TIMORESE AND SO THEY MOVED ON.

WE WERE ABLE TO GET INTO A RED CROSS JEEP, DOZENS OF TIMORESE JUMPED ON TOP OF THE JEEP, THEY WERE SO AFRAID, THEY WANTED TO ESCAPE THE KILLING FIELD.

WE WERE ABLE TO ULTIMATELY GET TO THE BISHOP'S HOUSE, WHERE HE HELPED ME CLEAN UP ALAN, IT WAS A CATHOLIC COUNTRY, ALAN WAS COVERED IN BLOOD.

WE RACED TO THE AIRPORT BECAUSE WE THOUGHT WE WERE NOT ABLE TO HEAD OFF THIS MASSACRE, AND WORD HAS TO GET OUT TO THE OUTSIDE WORLD.

WE WERE ABLE TO GET ON THE ONE PLANE OUT THAT DAY, WE FLEW ON TO BALI, AND WE CALLED THE INTERNATIONAL PRESS, WE SAID THERE HAS BEEN A MASSACRE.

ULTIMATELY, A GLOBAL MOVEMENT GREW UP CALLING FOR THE STOPPING OF ARMING OF THE INDONESIAN MILITARY AND IN 2002, THE PEOPLE OF EAST TIMOR GOT TO VOTE FOR THEIR FREEDOM IN A UN-SPONSORED REFERENDUM.

EAST TIMOR, TIMOR LESTE, IS ONE OF THE NEWEST NATIONS IN THE WORLD, BUT IT WAS ACHIEVED AT SUCH AN UNBELIEVABLY HIGH PRICE.

A THIRD OF THE POPULATION WAS KILLED.

>>LORENE: WELL, WE'RE SPEAKING TODAY WITH AMY GOODMAN, INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST EXTRAORDINAIRE.

WHEN YOU DESCRIBE BEING THERE AND SEEING THAT, I JUST THINK IT WAS SUCH A LIFE-ALTERING EXPERIENCE AND THEN ALSO TO KNOW THAT IN THE EYES OF THOSE STUDENTS, THESE CITIZENS HAD NO VALUE, THEY WERE JUST TO BE MOWED DOWN AND THAT YOU WENT OUT.

YOU HAVE FOUND, THROUGH YOUR INVESTIGATIVE REPORTING, STORIES THAT NOBODY ELSE HAS LOOKED AT AND WHAT IS SO REMARKABLE ABOUT WHAT YOU DO IS THAT YOU LOOK AT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE ORDINARY PERSON TAKING PART IN THE EVENT, THE BYSTANDERS, THE VICTIMS.

>>AMY: AND WE DON'T WANT OUR STORIES TO BE EXCLUSIVE.

THAT'S WHY THE TITLE OF THE DOCUMENTARY, STEAL THIS STORY, PLEASE , OFTEN NETWORKS WILL CALL AND THEY'LL SAY, CAN YOU GIVE ME THE GUEST YOU HAD ON, THEIR PHONE NUMBER, THEIR CONTACT INFORMATION, BECAUSE WE'RE INTERVIEWING PEOPLE ALL ALONG THE WAY AS MOVEMENTS GROW.

THE NETWORKS, WHEN SOMETHING JUST EXPLODES ON THE GROUND, THEN THEY'RE SCRAMBLING TO FIND WHO ARE THE PEOPLE INVOLVED, BUT MEDIA IS HAND IN HAND WITH THE PEOPLE.

IT'S DOCUMENTING ALL OF THE STRUGGLES, ALL OF THE TIME AND SO IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE NOT MIGRATE TO THE MEDIA-APPOINTED LEADERS, BUT TO THE PEOPLE WHO'VE BEEN ORGANIZING ON THE GROUND.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHY DEMOCRACY NOW HAS THIS AUTHENTIC VOICE, IT'S A PLATFORM FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE CLOSEST TO THE STORY, THEY SHOULD TELL THEIR STORY.

>>LORENE: WELL, THAT IS WHAT IS SO UNIQUE ABOUT WHAT YOU DO BECAUSE YOU STUDY, YOU LOOK FOR ABUSE OF POWER AND INJUSTICE, AND THE GRASSROOTS MOVEMENTS THAT SPRING UP IN RESPONSE AND TO COUNTER THESE INJUSTICES.

>>AMY: RIGHT AND I THINK THAT'S THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE, I DON'T CARE WHAT YOUR POLITICAL STRIPE IS, I THINK PEOPLE WHO CARE ABOUT WAR AND PEACE, PEOPLE WHO CARE ABOUT RACIAL AND SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC JUSTICE, PEOPLE WHO CARE ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT, THE FATE OF THE PLANET, PEOPLE WHO CARE ABOUT LGBTQ ISSUES ARE NOT A FRINGE MINORITY AND THEY'RE NOT A SILENT MAJORITY.

BUT THEY'RE SILENCED BY THE CORPORATE MEDIA, WHICH IS WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT WE TAKE THE MEDIA BACK.

WE BUILD INDEPENDENT MEDIA ALL OVER THIS COUNTRY AND AROUND THE WORLD SO THAT PEOPLE IN THE REST OF THE WORLD DON'T SEE US THROUGH A CORPORATE LENS, AND WE DON'T SEE THEM THROUGH A CORPORATE LENS WHEN THEY'RE PROJECTED BACK TO US.

>>LORENE: WELL, THERE IS AN ELEMENT IN JOURNALISM SCHOOLS THAT COULD BE PLAYING TO THE ESTABLISHED MEDIA BECAUSE THEY WANT TO GET A JOB WITH A NETWORK, THEY WANT TO PUT ON WHATEVER BLINDERS OR HARNESS IS NECESSARY TO SUCCEED IN THAT, AND YET THE REAL SUCCESS IS BEING ABLE TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THE WORLD.

>>AMY: YEAH, I THINK THAT SO MANY GOOD PEOPLE GO INTO THE NETWORKS AND THEY HAVE SUCH GOOD INTENTIONS AND THEY WANT TO REALLY GO OUT THERE AND TELL THE STORY OF WHAT'S HAPPENING.

NOW THEY SEE HOW DIFFICULT THAT IS WITHIN THAT SYSTEM AND I APPLAUD THEM FOR TRYING TO DO THAT.

I THINK WE NEED A GROWING INDEPENDENT MEDIA UNIVERSE BECAUSE TRUTH MATTERS AND SOMETIMES IT'S MANY TRUTHS.

FACTS, YOU'RE ENTITLED TO YOUR OWN OPINION, BUT NOT YOUR OWN FACTS AND THAT IS CRITICAL.

>>LORENE: YOU'VE WRITTEN SIX BOOKS, CAN YOU TELL US THE TITLES OF SOME OF THEM?

>>AMY: YES, THE FIRST BOOK WAS CALLED THE EXCEPTION TO THE RULERS , AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK ALL THE MEDIA SHOULD BE, THE EXCEPTION TO THE RULERS .

I WROTE THAT WITH MY BROTHER, DAVID GOODMAN, I WROTE WITH DAVID AND MY COLLEAGUE AT DEMOCRACY NOW , DENNIS MOYNIHAN, THE LAST BOOK, DEMOCRACY NOW: 20 YEARS GIVING VOICE TO THE MOVEMENTS IN THIS COUNTRY THAT REALLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

THEN A BOOK OF OUR COLUMNS, DENNIS MOYNIHAN AND I WRITE COLUMNS EVERY WEEK FOR KING FEATURES , AND ONE OF THOSE BOOKS IS CALLED, OH, LET'S SEE IF WE HAVE ALL THE TITLES HERE.

DO YOU HAVE SOME OF THOSE TITLES THERE?

>>LORENE: NO, I DON'T.

>>AMY: WELL, ONE OF THE BOOKS IS CALLED STATIC: GOVERNMENT LIARS, MEDIA CHEERLEADERS , AND I CAN'T REMEMBER THE SUBTITLE BUT IT'S CALLED STATIC, AND WE SHOULD BE, IT'S IMPORTANT TO CREATE STATIC IN A SYSTEM THAT'S NOT WORKING.

>>LORENE: THOSE CHANNELS, THOSE AUTHORIZED LIMITING CHANNELS.

>>AMY: YES, ABSOLUTELY.

>>LORENE: SO WHAT IS THE MOST UNDER COVERED STORY NOW?

YOU WHO SEEK OUT THESE STORIES AND GIVE THEM LIFE AND EXPOSURE, WHAT IS THE BIGGEST STORY THAT PEOPLE ARE JUST NOT SEEING NOW.

>>AMY: I MEAN, THERE ARE SO MANY STORIES.

THE WEALTH GAP IN THIS COUNTRY IS ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL, IT'S WHY THE GOVERNMENT IS SHUT DOWN RIGHT NOW.

I MEAN, IT IS THE IDEA THAT MILLIONS OF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO LOSE THEIR HEALTH INSURANCE, THAT THERE IS A BATTLE OVER THIS AND THE GUTTING OF MEDICAID WHILE BILLIONAIRES ARE GETTING A TRILLION DOLLARS IN TAX BREAKS.

THESE STORIES MUST BE TOLD, NOT ONLY IN CONCEPTUAL FORM, BUT HOW IT'S AFFECTING PEOPLE ON THE GROUND.

INTERNATIONAL STORIES, YOU HAVE THE CATASTROPHE, THE HUMANITARIAN CATASTROPHE IN SUDAN AND, OF COURSE, WHAT'S HAPPENING IN GAZA.

I THINK WHAT WE NEED RIGHT NOW WHEN IT COMES TO GAZA, WHEN IT COMES TO THE OCCUPIED TERRITORIES, WHEN IT COMES TO ISRAEL'S ASSAULT ON GAZA, IT'S SO CRITICAL IN THIS COUNTRY SINCE SO MANY OF THE WEAPONS USED ARE FROM THE UNITED STATES, IS TO HEAR THE VOICES OF PALESTINIANS AT THE TARGET END.

AND THEN, PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY WOULD SAY THEY ARE LIKE US, WE MAY NOT AGREE WITH SOMEONE POLITICALLY, BUT JUST LIKE ANYONE, A MOTHER, A FATHER, A DAUGHTER, A SON, IT'S WHAT I'VE LEARNED AS A JEWISH JOURNALIST, AS THE GRANDDAUGHTER OF AN ORTHODOX RABBI, AS A PART OF A FAMILY THAT LOST SO MANY PEOPLE IN THE HOLOCAUST.

IT WAS INGRAINED IN ME AND MY BROTHERS FROM VERY EARLY ON NEVER AGAIN, NEVER AGAIN FOR ANYONE ANYWHERE.

IT'S TRUE FOR JEWS, IT'S TRUE FOR MUSLIMS, IT'S TRUE FOR PALESTINIANS.

WE ARE ALL ONE HUMAN FAMILY AND WE HAVE TO FIGHT FOR THAT.

>>LORENE: WELL I DO HAVE A GOOD NEWS STORY FOR YOU OUT OF NEW MEXICO.

WE ARE THE FIRST STATE IN THE COUNTRY TO GUARANTEE CHILDCARE, FREE CHILDCARE, FROM PRENATAL TO PRE-K FOR EVERY CHILD IN THE STATE.

>>AMY: THAT'S ABSOLUTELY AMAZING AND I WANT TO SAY I JUST RAISED THAT ON DEMOCRACY NOW WHEN I WAS BACK IN NEW YORK WHEN I WAS INTERVIEWING ZORAN MAMDANI.

ZORAN MAMDANI IS THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE FOR THE MAYOR OF NEW YORK, AND THE ELECTION IS NOVEMBER 4TH AND HE BEAT OUT ANDREW CUOMO, WHO IS THE DISGRACED GOVERNOR OF NEW YORK.

AND ONE OF THE ISSUES HE HAS RAISED IS THE ONE THAT YOU HAVE ALL ACCOMPLISHED HERE, THE ISSUE OF FREE CHILDCARE.

AND THAT JUST SHOWS THAT WHAT PEOPLE DO IN ONE PLACE, IN ONE TOWN, IN ONE CITY, IN ONE STATE, MAKES A DIFFERENCE EVERYWHERE, AND IT CAN BE REPLICATED AND THAT'S WHY WE GO ALL OVER TO FIND THESE STORIES AND HEAR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE THE PIONEERS ON THOSE ISSUES.

EVERYONE DOESN'T HAVE TO REINVENT THE WHEEL EVERY TIME, WE CAN ALL LEARN FROM EACH OTHER.

>>LORENE: AND IT'S SAID THAT THIS PROGRAM WILL SAVE EACH FAMILY $12,000 PER YEAR PER CHILD.

SO WHAT CAN THEY DO WITH THAT, THEY CAN DO WONDERFUL THINGS WITH THAT MONEY.

SO NOW THERE'S A LITTLE PROVIDER GAP, SO WE'RE DOING SOME REALLY ENHANCED TRAINING FOR CHILDCARE PROVIDERS, BUT IT'S JUST A BEAUTIFUL THING.

AND WHAT THAT DOES, THE RIPPLES ARE SO UNIVERSAL BECAUSE WITH THAT FOUNDATION, A GENERATION OF WELL-RAISED CHILDREN, THEY GROW ON TO HAVE MORE ACCOMPLISHMENTS, GET FURTHER EDUCATION, AND BE ABLE TO CONTRIBUTE MORE TO SOCIETY ONCE YOU'VE GOT THAT WHOLE GENERATION OF KIDS ON THE RIGHT PATH.

>>AMY: AND THAT'S ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL.

ALL KIDS SHOULD START, NO MATTER WHAT THE MEANS OF THEIR FAMILIES, THEY SHOULD HAVE THE SAME OPPORTUNITIES.

AND YOU HAVE TO ASK, WE ALL AGREE THAT ALL KIDS SHOULD HAVE ACCESS TO SCHOOL, WE DON'T SAY SOME KIDS BASED ON THEIR WEALTH, I MEAN THEY GO TO PRIVATE SCHOOL IF THE FAMILY CAN AFFORD THAT, BUT EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE ACCESS.

YOU HAVE TO ASK THE SAME QUESTION ABOUT HEALTHCARE, SHOULDN'T ALL KIDS HAVE ACCESS TO HEALTH, ALL PEOPLE, AND THEN IF YOU HAVE FANCIER HEALTH INSURANCE, THAT'S FINE, BUT THIS IDEA OF UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE FOR ALL, UNIVERSAL EDUCATION FOR ALL.

>>LORENE: MEDICARE FOR ALL.

>>AMY: YES, WHY SHOULD THAT JUST BE FOR OLDER PEOPLE, IT SHOULD BE FOR EVERYONE.

>>LORENE: WELL, WE HAVE SOME WORK TO DO.

>>AMY: YES.

>>LORENE: WE ONLY HAVE A COUPLE OF MINUTES LEFT.

WHAT DID I FORGET TO ASK YOU, WHAT IS YOUR MESSAGE TO NEW MEXICO.

>>AMY: WELL, IT'S WONDERFUL TO BE BACK HERE.

I MEAN, THE FACT THAT NEW MEXICO AND KUNM AND NEW MEXICO PBS HAVE BEEN WITH US FROM THE BEGINNING HAS BEEN ABSOLUTELY AMAZING.

NOT FAR FROM, I MEAN, ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IN NEW MEXICO IS THE LARGE INDIGENOUS POPULATION YOU HAVE HERE, AND HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO NOTE THAT NATIVE AMERICANS HAVE BEEN THE LEADERS OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL MOVEMENT IN THIS COUNTRY AND AROUND THE WORLD.

ONE OF THE SEGMENTS OF STEAL THIS STORY , PLEASE , THAT'S PREMIERING TONIGHT AT THE LENSIC IS THE STANDOFF AT STANDING ROCK AND HOW BRAVE THE STANDING ROCK SIOUX WERE IN TAKING ON THIS BATTLE AGAINST THE DAKOTA ACCESS PIPELINE AND SAYING, ALWAYS, THIS ISN'T JUST FOR US, THIS IS FOR EVERYONE.

THE IDEA OF CHALLENGING A PIPELINE CRISSCROSSED COUNTRY THAT ENDANGERS EVERYONE, GETTING AWAY FROM FOSSIL FUELS.

DEMOCRACY NOW IS SOON HEADED TO BELÉM IN BRAZIL WHERE THE 30TH COP WILL TAKE PLACE, THE UN CLIMATE SUMMIT, RIGHT AT THE RAINFOREST, THE LUNGS OF THE PLANET AND HOW CRITICAL IT IS THAT WE PRESERVE THIS PLANET BY CHANGING OUR WAYS WHEN IT COMES TO CLIMATE CHANGE AND THE CLIMATE CATASTROPHE.

>>LORENE: OUR GUEST TODAY IS AMY GOODMAN, CAN YOU JUST TELL OUR PEOPLE HOW THEY CAN FIND OUT MORE BESIDES YOUR BOOKS AND DEMOCRACY NOW .

>>AMY: I MEAN, DEMOCRACY NOW IS WHERE IT ALL STARTS.

IT'S DEMOCRACYNOW.ORG, WHERE GLOBAL GRASSROOTS DAILY BROADCAST MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY ON YOUTUBE, ON ALL SOCIAL MEDIA, INSTAGRAM, TIKTOK, BUT DEMOCRACYNOW.ORG SHOWS WHERE WE ARE IN YOUR COMMUNITY AND HERE, OF COURSE, KUNM, KSFR, NEW MEXICO PBS, AND MUCH MORE.

>>LORENE: YEAH, WELL, THANK YOU, THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH.

I THANK YOU FOR COMING ON REPORT FROM SANTA FE, BUT I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU'RE DOING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THE WORLD.

IT'S AN HONOR TO HAVE YOU HERE, OUR GUEST, AMY GOODMAN.

>>AMY: WELL, LORENE, BACK AT YOU.

I'M SO HONORED TO BE WITH YOU AND ALL YOU'VE DONE FOR SO MANY YEARS.

>>LORENE: WELL, WE'RE SISTERS ON THE BATTLEFRONT, FOR SURE.

AND I'M LORENE MILLS, I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU, OUR AUDIENCE, FOR BEING WITH US AND WITH AMY GOODMAN ON THIS VERY SPECIAL EDITION OF REPORT FROM SANTA FE .

WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT WEEK.

REPORT FROM SANTA FE IS MADE POSSIBLE, IN PART, BY GRANTS FROM THE NEW MEXICO MUNICIPAL LEAGUE, A BETTER NEW MEXICO THROUGH BETTER CITIES AND FROM THE HEALY FOUNDATION, TAOS, NM.

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