♪♪ ♪♪ >> ERIC: AS TANE JUST NOTED, TOMORROW MARKS FOUR YEARS SINCE FORMER MINNEAPOLIS POLICE OFFICER DEREK CHAUVIN MURDERED GEORGE FLOYD.

LESLIE REDMOND WAS THE HEAD OF THE MINNEAPOLIS NAACP AT THE TIME, THE YOUNGEST PERSON TO EVER LEAD THAT ORGANIZATION.

REDMOND NOW LEADS TWO NON-PROFITS.

ONE OF THEM, "WIN BACK," HELD A DAY-LONG REMEMBRANCE FOR FLOYD ON FRIDAY.

WELCOME BACK TO "ALMANAC," LESLIE REDMOND.

ONE OF THE QUOTES THAT YOU HAD TODAY WAS -- AND TALKING ABOUT KEEPING MOMENTUM MOVING, EVEN THOUGH TIME PASSES, WE PRAY FOR A MOVEMENT, NOT A MOMENT.

CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT?

>> 100%.

SO WHAT WE SAW IN 2020 WAS AN UPRISING.

EVERYONE HILT THE STREETS, RIGHT?

THERE WAS A HUGE MOMENT BUT A MOVEMENT LASTS LONG BEYOND JUST THAT MOMENT IN TIME.

A MOVEMENT INVOLVES ALL OF US.

IT INVOLVES STRATEGY, IT INVOLVES INTENTION ALT, RIGHT, WE'RE ACTUALLY MOVING TOWARDS PROGRESS AND A BETTER FUTURE THAT MANY GENERATIONS CAN LIVE OFF OF, RIGHT?

AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO BUILD, MOMENTUM.

>> Cathy: WHAT DID YOU THINK ABOUT MICHELE NORRIS, WHO I ADORE, WHAT SHE SAID IN THAT TAPE THERE?

PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR SAFE SPACES BUT WE REALLY THEY WOULD BRAVE SPACES.

WHERE ARE THE BRAVE SPACES?

>> 100%.

WE HAD A BRAVE SPACE TODAY.

WE HOSTED A BRUNCH AND WE HAD FIVE INDIVIDUALS WHO I REALLY SEE IN THE SAME ROOM -- RARELY SEE IN THE SAME ROOM, NEVERTHELESS THE SAME PANEL.

WE HAD BAKER AT ICOLAB, CHIEF ARRADONDO, ATTORNEY ONKEITH ELLISONS AND NAKIMA ARMSTRONG, THAT WAS A BRAVE SPACE.

THEY DIDN'T AGREE ON EVERYTHING BUT THERE WAS A LOT OF COMMONALITY AND THEY WERE ABLE TO BUILD ON WHAT EACH OTHER WAS SAYING AND EACH THIS HAVE WHEN THEY DISAGREED, THEY WERE RESPECTFUL.

>> Eric: WHAT'S THE POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY FOUR YEARS LATER?

>> FOUR YEARS LATER.

WELL, LET'S JUST TAKE IT BACK A SECOND >> 2020 WAS A HISTORIC MOVEMENT.

WHAT WE SAW IN CHIEF ARRADONDO WAS COURAGEOUSNESS, RIGHT?

HE REALLY STOOD OUT AS A BRAVE INDIVIDUAL THAT WAS WILLING TO FIRE ALL FOUR OFFICERS AND THEN TESTIFY AGAINST DERRICK CHAUVIN.

THAT WAS HUGE.

NOW, UNFORTUNATELY, WE STILL SEE BLACK MEN BEING MURDERED BY POLICE OFFICERS IN MINNESOTA.

WE SAW JUST LAST YEAR, RICKY COBBS, II, WAS MURDERED AND SO WE'RE SEEING MORE ACCOUNTABILITY OBVIOUSLY WE KNOW DANTE WRITE WAS MURDERED DURING THE TRIAL OF CHAUVIN AND AND THE WOMAN WAS ACCOUNTABLE BUT NOW SHE'S OUT.

WHEN I THINK ABOUT ACCOUNTABILITY, WE OBVIOUSLY NEED MORE AND ULTIMATELY WE WANT THE DEATHS TO STOP, THE MURDERS TO STOP.

>> Cathy: WHEN IT COMES TO OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE CHANGED OR NOT CHANGED, I MEAN, WHERE -- YOU WERE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF EVERYTHING FOUR YEARS AGO.

>> YEP.

>> WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE LANDSCAPE NOW, WE MENTION POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY, BUT WHAT ELSE HAS CHANGED OR NOT CHANGED THAT YOU REALLY WERE HOPING FOR MORE ATTRACTION ON?

>> YES.

WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CHANGED AND CHIEF ARRADONDO ACTUALLY TALKED ABOUT THIS TODAY ON THE PANEL, WE ARE MORE CONNECTED NOW THAN EVER BEFORE, RIGHT?

EVEN WHEN I THINK ABOUT THE BRUNCH, WE HAVE FOUNDATIONS AND CORPORATIONS AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE USUALLY NOT SHARING SPACE, EVEN WHEN WE THINK TO THE MARS THAT HAPPENED IN 2020, YOU HAD WHITE PEOPLE AND BLACK PEOPLE, YOUNG PEOPLE AND LDERLY PEOPLE.

THIS MORNING WE HAD AN INTERFAITH PRAYER THAT HAD RABBIS, HAD IMAMs, BISHOPS, PASTORS, RIGHT, BECAUSE WE'RE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER AND SO THAT'S A PART OF THE LIGHT THAT EXISTS AND THE DARKNESS THAT WE DON'T TALK ABOUT ENOUGH.

NOW, THERE'S STILL A LOT OF STATUS QUO, RIGHT?

WE STILL HAVEN'T SEEN QUITE ENOUGH CHANGE AND TRANSFORMATION, AGAIN, BLACK PEOPLE ARE STILL BEING MURDERED, WE ALSO HAVE SOME OF THE WORST DISPARITIES IN THE NATION SO THE WORK HAS TO CONTINUE, RIGHT?

UNFORTUNATELY, DO I BELIEVE THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO WOULD RATHER US STOP TALKING ABOUT GEORGE FLOYD, FORGET 2020 EVEN APPENED AND MOVE FORWARD BUT WE CAN'T MOVE FORWARD UNTIL WE REALLY SEE SOME CHANGE AND TRANSFORMATION.

>> Cathy: I ASKED YOU THIS ON THE AIR WHEN YOU AND I TALKED AND WE BOTH AGREED THAT IF YOU WANT TO MAKE CHANGE, IT'S THE LAWMAKING, RIGHT?

SO WHERE ARE WE ON THAT?

MINE, ARE YOU SEEING ANY MOVEMENT AT THE CAPITOL THAT YOU -- THAT GIVES YOU HOPE?

>> 100%.

SO, IN THIS LAST CYCLE, THEY WOULD THE AFRICAN AMERICAN FAMILY PRESERVATION ACT THAT PASSED.

THAT WAS A HUGE OPPORTUNITY AND IT'S GOING TO HELP BLACK CHILDREN AND BLACK FAMILIES.

THAT WAS AMAZING.

ON THE FEDERAL LEVEL, THOUGH, THERE'S STILL FIGHTING FOR ACCOUNTABILITIES WITH THE GEORGE FLOYD POLICING BILL, RIGHT, AND SO IT HAS BEEN FOUR YEARS LATER.

AND SO THERE'S STILL A DISCONNECT THAT WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT.

>> Eric: YOU WERE VERY BUSY TODAY AND THIS WEEKEND COMING UP SO WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOU TAKING TIME TO COME OVER.

>> Cathy: BY THE WAY, WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO BE TOMORROW?

>> GEORGE FLOYD SQUARE, THEY'RE DOING A WELLNESS, I PLAN ON GETTI