>> Announcer: DONNYBROOK IS MADE POSSIBLE BY THE MEMBERS OF NINE PBS.

>> WELL, THANKS FOR JOINING US FOR ANOTHER EDITION OF DONNYBROOK.

GREAT TO HAVE YOU WITH US, AND DON'T MISS ONE MOMENT OF THIS SHOW THIS WEEK BECAUSE THE MAYOR-ELECT FOR THE GREAT CITY OF ST. LOUIS, TISHAURA JONES, IS GOING TO JOIN US FOR NEXT UP.

THAT'S RIGHT, TAUNLS AT HALF PAST.

SO GO WAKE UP GRANDPA AND POSTPONE THAT ELECTIVE SURGERY.

LAPSE MIGHT THE PANELIST -- LET'S MEET THE PANELISTS BECAUSE WE ALSO HAVE GREAT TOPICS THIS WEEK, STARTING WITH THE NEWS DIRECTOR OF THE BIG 550 KTRS AND THE COHOST OF THE JENNIFER AND WENDY SHOW, WENDY WIESE.

ALONG WITH ONE OF OUR FOUNDERS, MR. BILL McCLELLAN FROM THE ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH.

ANOTHER FOUNDER BACK THERE IN '87 WHEN IT ALL BEGAN, NOW WITH THE RIVERFRONT TIMES, RAW RAWSTORY.COM AND THE BIG 550, RAY HARTMANN AND FROM THE ST. LOUIS AMERICAN, MR. ALVIN REID.

BEFORE WE BEGIN, WE WANT TO CONGRATULATE EVERYONE AT THE BIG 550 KTRS ON THE OCCASION OF RADIO STATION'S SILVER ANNIVERSARY.

25 YEARS, WENDY, AND YOU WERE THERE DAY ONE.

RATHER, APRIL 15th, 1996, RIGHT?

>> 1996.

IT SEEMS LIKE ONLY YESTERDAY.

THE TIME HAS FLOWN.

WE SEE IT REFLECTED IN OUR HAIR COLOR, BUT IT'S BEEN A LOT OF FUN.

>> AND RAY, OF COURSE, YOU HOLD COURT EVERY WEEK NIGHT.

>> IT'S SURVIVED TWO YEARS OF ME, BUT IT'S A GREAT PLACE TO -- CONGRATULATIONS TO MARK DORSEY AND THE TEAM.

IT'S BEEN A GREAT RUN.

>> AND CONGRATULATIONS, I THINK, ALVIN, TO DAN ISOM, NAMED THE NEW PUBLIC SAFETY DIRECTOR FOR THE CITY OF ST. LOUIS.

OF COURSE, WE KNOW THAT HE WAS THE POLICE CHIEF EARLIER IN THIS CENTURY.

HE ALSO WAS THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC SAFETY FOR THE STATE, GOT THAT APPOINTMENT FROM GOVERNOR JAY NIXON AT THE TIME.

ALSO, DAN ISOM HAS NOT ONLY HIS DOCTORATE, BUT TWO MASTER'S DEGREES AND HE'S REALLY RESPECTED AROUND THE COUNTRY.

I THINK HE'S A GREAT PICK.

HOW ABOUT YOU?

>> I DO TOO AND THERE'S BOOK SMART, DEGREE SMART, AND THERE'S SMART SMART.

AND DAN ISOM HAS ALL THREE OF THEM.

GREAT CHOICE.

I THINK ONE THAT, YOU KNOW, LYDA KREWSON MAYBE SHOULD HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT BEFORE JIMMIE EDWARDS, BUT I CAN'T DO ANYTHING EXCEPT APPLAUD IT IN THAT I THINK -- I THINK IT TAKES A THINKING PERSON TO TRY TO HANDLE THE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE AS FAR AS CRIME AND AS FAR AS ADDRESSING CRIME AND ALSO AS FAR AS WORKING WITH THE BOARD OF ALDERMEN AND THE POLICE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION.

I THINK THAT JUST ALL AROUND, GREAT CHOICE.

>> AND I THINK YOU GOT TO -- I'M SORRY.

I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY -- THAT ANYONE ELSE COULD HAVE GOTTEN DAN ISOM THAN TISHAURA.

WE'LL SEE.

>> THAT'S A GOOD POINT.

THAT'S A GOOD POINT, RAY.

>> AND ALSO SERGEANT HEATHER TAYLOR, WHO'S DISTINGUISHED HERSELF, NAMED BY TISHAURA TO BE SPECIAL ADVISOR TO THE DEPARTMENT -- >> SENIOR ADVISOR.

>> SENIOR ADVISOR.

THAT'S ALSO A GOOD GET FOR HER.

DAN IS THE GOLD STANDARD AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.

WHEN YOU THINK OF THE POLICE CHIEFS IN OUR TOWN, THE ONES WHO STAND OUT TO ME ARE DAN, CLARENCE HARMON AND FRANKLY IN THE COUNTY TIM FITCH.

I THINK THAT DAN -- I MEAN, HE'S AS GOOD AS IT GETS AND THERE WAS ONE REPORTER, I THINK AT FOX, THAT SUGGESTED IT MIGHT BE INTERIM AND I'M NOT QUITE CLEAR IF THAT'S TRUE OR NOT.

I SURE HOPE -- IF HE'S WILLING TO DO IT, I SURE HOPE THEY DON'T DO A NATIONAL SEARCH.

I'D LIKE TO SEE HIM.

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO BETTER THAN DAN ISOM.

>> CHICAGO INSTITUTE OF POLITICS NAMED HIM A FELLOW AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HE FOCUSED ON IN HIS SEMINARS WAS COMMUNITY POLICING AND THE FUTURE OF POLICING.

I THINK HE'S -- DIDN'T HE GRADUATE FROM UMSL?

AND OBVIOUSLY HE'S ATTENDED THE SCI, THE NATIONAL ACADEMY, SO I AGREE, THERE'S NO REASON FOR ANYONE TO BE -- >> THE BIG ISSUE IN ST. LOUIS -- >> AND ALVIN MENTIONED BOOK SMARTS AND STREET SMARTS AND HOW ICE SOMENT HAS BOTH OF THEM.

I REMEMBER WHEN HE WAS A LIEUTENANT IN JUVENILE AND I WAS IN THE JUVENILE OFFICE TALKING TO SOMEBODY ELSE AND THEY BROUGHT IN A RUNAWAY, AND APPARENTLY SHE WAS A CHRONIC RUNAWAY BECAUSE ICE SO MANY WANTED TO MEET HER.

SHE WENT UP TO HIM AND SHE WAS, I DON'T KNOW, 13 OR 14, AND HE SAID CAN YOU READ?

SHE SAID YES.

HE GAVE HER SOMETHING AND SAID READ THIS.

SHE STARTED READING IT AND HE SAID OKAY.

WHEN SHE LEFT, ISOM SAID, SHE CAN READ, THERE'S HOPE FOR HER.

THAT'S JUST INSIGHTFUL AND GOOD.

I THINK HE'S A GREAT CHOICE.

ON THE OTHER HAND, I THOUGHT JIMMIE EDWARDS WAS A GREAT CHOICE, SO, YOU KNOW, WE'LL SEE IF ANYBODY CAN DO THE JOB.

>> AND I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE FELT THAT WAY, BILL.

JIMMIE EDWARDS WAS A GOOD GUY -- >> GREAT GUY.

>> AND I THOUGHT HE WAS A GOOD CHOICE TOO.

DAN ISOM NOTABLY TURNED OUT THE POSITION, AT LEAST TO BE A FINALIST, FOR CHICAGO POLICE CHIEF.

>> I'LL BE DARNED, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT.

THAT'S INTERESTING.

>> YEAH, GREAT -- >> YEAH, I WAS WITH YOU 100% UNTIL YOU MENTIONED CLARENCE HARMON AND THEN YOU LOST ME.

>> WELL, I THINK HE -- >> LET'S MOVE ON, GUYS.

LET'S MOVE ON.

LET'S GO TO ST. LOUIS COUNTY COUNCIL THIS WEEK WHICH VOTED 4-3 TO SAY WE HAVE NO CONFIDENCE IN THE POLICE CHIEF MARY BARTON AND IN THE SECOND OR THIRD LINE, IT ACCUSED CHIEF BARTON OF MISMANAGEMENT.

THIS IS COMING FROM THE ST. LOUIS COUNTY COUNCIL AND THAT'S LIKE CALLING BERNIE MADOFF GREEDY, ESPECIALLY SINCE IT WAS POINTED OUT THE COUNCIL SPENT $100,000 TO FIX THE HUGE MISTAKE IT MADE EARLIER THIS YEAR.

NONETHELESS, RAY HARTMANN, I WANT TO ASK YOU IF YOU AGREE WITH THAT.

THE WOMAN HAS BEEN ON THE JOB ONE YEAR.

SHE GOT THE JOB 5-0 LAST YEAR BY THE POLICE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS.

DO YOU THINK THAT THE PEOPLE HAVE GIVEN HER ENOUGH OF A CHANCE?

>> FIRST OF ALL, THE BERNIE MADOFF REFERENCE, NOW THAT HE DIED THIS WEEK -- >> I KNEW HE DIED, BUT NONETHELESS -- >> NO, IT'S FINE.

>> HE'S ONE DEAD PERSON I DON'T FEEL BAD SPEAKING ILL OF.

>> NO, WE'RE NOT, I'M JUST -- NO, I THINK MARY BARTON SHOULD RESIGN OR BE FIRED.

FIRST OF ALL, THE 5-0 VOTE DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING BECAUSE ANY BOARD IS GOING TO -- WHATEVER THEIR VOTE IS, THEY'RE GOING TO SAY IT'S 5-0.

YOU DON'T WANT TO ANNOUNCE SOMEBODY WAS HIRED BY A 3-2 OR 4-1.

THAT DOESN'T USUALLY WORK, BUT THAT'S NOT EVEN THE ISSUE.

MARY BARTON THROUGH NO FAULT OF HER OWN WAS NEVER QUALIFIED.

THERE WERE FOUR POLICE CHIEFS BEFORE HER.

I WON'T REMEMBER THEM ALL, BUT CERTAINLY WE TALKED ABOUT BELMAR, FITCH, I THINK IT WAS LEWIS BEFORE HIM.

>> JERRY LEE.

>> JERRY LEE LEWIS?

AND THEN ONE BEFORE HIM.

THEN I THINK TWO BEFORE THAT WERE HIRED FROM OTHER PLACES.

SHE WAS THE FIRST ONE WHO WAS A CAPTAIN.

IT WAS COMPLETELY -- WASN'T A NUMBER TWO.

AND REALLY, FROM THE MOMENT SHE WALKED OUT THERE, THE FIRST TIME SHE SPOKE, BASICALLY, PUBLICLY AND SAID THERE WAS NO SYSTEMIC RACISM IN ST. LOUIS COUNTY, TWO WEEKS AFTER, WHATEVER IT WAS, THE GEORGE FLOYD MURDER, YOU KNOW, SHE'S JUST -- SHE DOESN'T HAVE THE SKILL SET FOR THIS JOB.

AND IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS, NOT ONLY THE COUNTY COUNCIL, BUT THE ETHICAL SOCIETY OF POLICE VOTED NO CONFIDENCE.

RIGHT NOW, THE FRATERNAL ORDER OF POLICE IS TAKING A POLL, WHICH SAYS SOMETHING IN AND OF ITSELF ABOUT HER, AND I DON'T THINK SHE'S A BAD PERSON OR ANYTHING.

SHE'S JUST NOT SUITED FOR THERE JOB.

THIS JOB IS ABOUT COMMUNICATION AND BUILDING TRUST AND SHE'S NOT THE RIGHT PERSON.

>> I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

I AGREE.

SHE'S NOT TIM FITCH, SHE'S NOT BILL BRATTON, I DON'T THINK SHE'S ELIOT NESS, DON'T GET ME WRONG.

BUT IT'S FUNNY, WE'VE GOT A JAIL IF DOWNTOWN ST. LOUIS AND WE'RE NOT FIRING THAT GUY EVEN THOUGH THE LOCKS DON'T WORK.

WE'VE HAD 30 KIDS IN THE CITY OF ST. LOUIS WHO HAVE BEEN KILLED AND NOT ONE OF THOSE HAVE BEEN PROSECUTED.

NO ONE IS ASKING FOR ANY FIRINGS THERE, BUT THIS WOMAN, IN THE RESOLUTION WHICH IS THREE PAGES LONG, THEY DON'T EVEN MENTION ONE TIME CRIME.

LIKE THE CRIME IN THE COUNTY ISN'T EVEN CONSIDERED.

IT'S ALL THESE OTHER FACTORS LIKE HER BROTHER-IN-LAW'S RACIAL EPITHET, WHICH WAS TERRIBLE, OF COURSE, BUT I'M NOT SURE IT'S A FIRING OFFENSE.

>> WELL, ALL RIGHT, ONE, SOMEBODY HAS BEEN ARRESTED FOR THE ONE CHILD KILLING AND THEY'VE BEEN CHARGED.

SO THERE'S ONE, TO BE CORRECT ON THAT.

>> IS THAT RIGHT?

>> YEAH.

>> WAS THAT TODAY, THOUGH?

>> THAT WAS LIKE TODAY OR YESTERDAY.

>> YEAH.

>> ALL RIGHT, I'LL DRINK TO THAT.

>> YEAH, IT HAS HAPPENED.

AND, YOU KNOW, TOO, ALL RIGHT, THE CHIEF OF POLICE IN THE CITY OF ST. LOUIS IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT GOES ON IN THESE DETENTION CENTERS AND THESE JAILS, AND THE CHIEF OF POLICE OF THE CITY OF ST. LOUIS MY GUESS AIN'T GOING TO HAVE A JOB AS THE CHIEF OF POLICE FOR THE CITY OF ST. LOUIS HERE IN A MATTER OF WEEKS OR MONTHS.

AND, YOU KNOW, IF I AS A CITIZEN OF ST. LOUIS COUNTY -- AND FAIRMINDED.

I KNOW SOME PEOPLE MAY NOT SAY THAT, BUT FAIRMINDED, I HAVE NO CONFIDENCE IN THE CHIEF OF POLICE OF ST. LOUIS COUNTY.

SO FOR THEM -- FOR A MAJORITY OF THE BOARD TO SAY THEY HAVE NO CONFIDENCE, I HAVE TO STAND WITH THEM.

I'M NOT SURPRISED THAT TIM FITCH AND THE OTHER REPUBLICANS ARE WITH HER BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST MAKING THEIR POLITICAL STATEMENT THAT WHATEVER THE POLICE DO ARE RIGHT KIND OF THING, BUT I MEAN, IT'S RIDICULOUS.

I THINK SHE HAS PAVED HER WAY TO NOT HAVING A JOB.

>> WELL, I THOUGHT -- I'M SORRY, ALVIN.

>> GO AHEAD, I'M DONE.

>> WHAT I THOUGHT WAS SO FASCINATING WAS IN HIS INIMITABLE WAY, COUNTY COUNCIL CHAIRMAN SAM PAGE, COUNTY EXECUTIVE SAM PAGE, WHEN ASKED ABOUT IT, SAID HE HAS FULL FAITH IN THE BOARD OF POLICE COMMISSIONERS, BUT HE HOPES THEY WILL TAKE THE ADVICE OF THE COUNTY COUNCIL INTO -- YOU KNOW, INTO CONSIDERATION.

>> PLEASE FIRE HER!

I DON'T WANT TO HER.

YOU FIRE HER.

>> HEY, LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING.

HE DID THAT LAST SUMMER TO THIS WOMAN.

SHE HAD JUST BEEN ON THE JOB SINCE APRIL.

WHEN IT CAME TO THE WILDHABER INCIDENT -- REMEMBER?

-- I THINK TROY DOYLE SUED AND SAM PAGE SAID I WANTED TROY DOYLE.

WHY ARE YOU SUING ME?

I DIDN'T WANT THIS WOMAN, MARY BARTON.

SHE'S NEVER EVEN BEEN GIVEN A CHANCE AND I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, IT'S NOT EVEN A COUNTY COUNCIL'S CALL.

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

>> THEY'RE A DEBATING ASSOCIATE.

THEY DON'T MAKE THAT CALL.

>> IT MEANS NOTHING.

>> IT DOESN'T MEAN NOTHING.

>> IT MEANS SOMETHING WHEN -- >> SOMETIMES YOU CAN GET OFF ON THE WRONG FOOT AND SHE CAME IN, YOU KNOW, SHE WASN'T FOLLOWING TIM FITCH, WHO WAS SO POPULAR.

SHE WAS FOLLOWING JON BELMAR, WHO WAS NOT POPULAR.

I THOUGHT, HEY, A WOMAN FOLLOWING AN UNPOPULAR OLD WHITE GUY, SHE IS SET UP FOR SUCCESS, AND THEY JUST CAME IN AND LIKE RAY SAID, GOT OFF ON THE WRONG FOOT WITH THIS THING ABOUT NO SYSTEMIC RACISM AND THEN SAYING TO THE POST, WELL, IF ANYBODY THINKS I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S RACISM, THEY'RE MISINFORMED.

LIKE, WHAT?

YOU'RE THE ONE WHO JUST TOLD US THAT.

>> I THINK IT'S -- >> I'M SURPRISED SHE DOESN'T JUST RESIGN.

>> CHARLIE, IF YOU TAKE ANY POLICE CAPTAIN OUT OF THEIR OFFICE AND PUT THEM IN THE HARSH GLARE OF THE MEDIA SPOTLIGHT, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME STUMBLES ALONG THE WAY.

I MEAN, THERE'S NO DOUBT.

THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT.

AND MAYBE IN HER MIND, IN HER MIND, IN HER EXPERIENCE, SHE DIDN'T BELIEVE THERE WAS VICE CHAIRMAN -- THERE WAS SYSTEMIC RACISM IN THE COUNTY.

>> BUT THE PROBLEM WASN'T LIKE IT WAS A GAFF.

THE PROBLEM IS LOOK WHAT HAPPENED SINCE?

HR BROTHER-IN-LAW -- >> UOR RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR BROTHER-IN-LAW, RAY?

>> WHEN YOU ARE BROTHER-IN-LAW DROPS AN N-BOMB, HE WAS ALLOWED TO RETIRE OR APPARENTLY WITHOUT INCIDENT AND THEN TO MAKE IT WORSE, SOMEBODY MENTIONED WILDHABER, KEITH WILDHABER GOT REPRIMANDED BY HER FOR CRITICIZING THAT AND VICE.COM GIVES A NATIONAL STORY TALKING ABOUT RACISM AND GUESS WHAT SHE GETS?

A GEOGRAPHY LESSON, WHAT THEY CALL IN THE COP WORLD.

>> CAN I JUMP IN THERE ON THE HALL?

I THOI YOU'RE ON TO SOMETHING, BUT I DON'T THINK YOU ARE FAIR.

SHANETTE HALL HAS AN INCLUSIONARY ROLE.

SHE'S SUPPOSED TO BE RECRUITING PEOPLE TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF SHE'S RECRUITED ANYONE AND SHE KEEPS SPEAKING TO VICE AND EVERYBODY ELSE HOW BAD THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS.

HOW CAN A RECRUITER GET PEOPLE TO JOIN IT AS POLICE OFFICERS WHEN SHE KEEPS BADMOUTHING IT?

THE CHIEF SAID, HEY, GUESS WHAT?

YOU'RE GOING TO BE AN OFFICER, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A PATROL.

AND THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.

>> GUESS WHERE SHE IS?

>> THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH IT.

>> EXCEPT THEY GAVE HER THE GEOGRAPHY LESSON IN FAR WEST COUNTY.

>> A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE FAR WEST COUNTY, RAY.

>> MY POINT IS -- THE CHIEF DIDN'T MAKE THAT ARGUMENT.

THE ARGUMENT YOU'RE MAKING, HOW CAN YOU RECRUIT IF YOU'RE DENNY GRATING THE DEPARTMENT, BUT THE CHIEF ACTED LIKE SHE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TRANSFER AND PEOPLE GET TRANSFERRED ALL THE TIME, SO YOU'RE MAKING A MUCH BETTER ARGUMENT THAN THE CHIEF.

>> LET ME ASK YOU THIS, CHARLIE.

ONE OF THE THINGS SHE SAID TO THE POST-DISPATCH, BESIDES SAYING SHE WAS BLINDSIDED BY SOMETHING THAT HAD BEEN ON THE AGENDA FOR DAYS AND EVERYBODY KNEW WAS COMING AND BASICALLY, INSTEAD OF SAYING, OKAY, WE GOT PEOPLE UPSET, LET'S TALK, SHE SAYS I'M GOING TO KEEP DOING WHAT I'M DOING, AND THE OTHER THING WAS, HER DEFENSE, ONE OF HER DEFENSES WAS THE FACT SHE'S MEETING REGULARLY WITH THE ETHICAL SOCIETY OF POLICE.

DID SOMEBODY NOT DRAW HER ATTENTION TO LAST FRIDAY WHEN THAT GROUP WAS THE ONE THAT CALLED FIRST FOR NO CONFIDENCE VOTE?

I MEAN -- >> IT WOULD BE RIGHT, RAY.

BOTH THINGS CAN BE RIGHT.

SHE MIGHT BE MEETING WITH THEM ON A REGULAR BASIS -- >> IT AIN'T WORKING.

>> AND THEY VOTED ALSO TO CENSURE HER OR TO VOTE NO CONFIDENCE.

I WOULD SAY OVERALL -- I REALIZE SHE'S NOT THE BEST, SHE'S KIND OF LEARNING ON THE JOB AND MAYBE THAT SHOULDN'T BE THE CASE, BUT THE STATE LAW BASICALLY SAYS YOU CAN'T FIRE HER UNLESS SHE COMMITS A FELONY OR SHE HAS COMPLETE INSUBORDINATION AND THERE'S A FEW OTHER THINGS.

THE BAR IS VERY HIGH, SO I DON'T KNOW WHY PEOPLE ARE EVEN TALKING ABOUT THIS BECAUSE IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO GET RID OF A POLICE CHIEF ANYWAY.

>> NO, IT'S NOT IMPOSSIBLE.

>> IT IS NOW.

>> NO, NO, NO WHAT I'M SAYING IS IF YOU CREATE ENOUGH MOMENTUM, THEY LEAVE BY THEMSELVES.

>> MONEY, THAT'S THE KEY.

>> ALL RIGHT, AND I'M NOT DEFENDING HER, BUT I WILL SAY THIS ABOUT THE REASSIGNMENT OF THE OTHER OFFICER.

LET'S FLIP THE SWITCH HERE.

IF THIS WAS A WHITE PERSON AND THEY WENT ON NEWSMAX AND SAID THE PROBLEM IS BLACK PEOPLE COMMIT TOO MANY CRIMES AND BLAH THIS AND BLAH THAT, AND YOU TOOK THE SAME ACTION AGAINST THEM, BUT YOU DIDN'T -- >> THEY DIDN'T -- THAT DID HAPPEN TO WILDHABER, ALVIN.

>> LET ME FINISH.

IF YOU DIDN'T TAKE THAT ACTION IN A SIMILAR ROLE, THE WHITE POLICE OFFICER IS GOING TO SUE.

>> TO ALVIN'S POINT, IT WAS A GOOD POINT.

I THINK THAT SHE'S ALSO -- I THINK SHE'S ALSO A MUCH NEEDED DISTRACTION FOR A BELEAGUERED COUNTY COUNCIL.

SHE'S MADE IT VERY EASY FOR THEM, BUT SHE'S AN EASY KIND OF -- >> I'LL TELL YOU ANOTHER THING, CHARLIE.

IF GOD FORBID THEY ACQUIT GEORGE FLOYD'S MURDERER, DEREK CHAUVIN NEXT WEEK, WHO WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE AS POLICE CHIEF IN ST. LOUIS COUNTY TO DEAL WITH THAT?

MARY BARTON OR TROY DOYLE?

TROY DOYLE SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE POLICE CHIEF, AND I THINK HE STILL COULD BE.

WITH THE LAWSUIT -- >> OR SOMEBODY LIKE JEFF BADER, BUT THAT'S A GOOD POINT AND I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP BECAUSE SHE HAD A PRETTY TOUGH YEAR TAKING OVER DURING THE PANDEMIC AND AFTER THE FLOYD INCIDENT.

THAT WAS NOT AN EASY FIRST YEAR.

AND I AGREE, SHE MAY NOT BE ELIOT NESS, BUT SOMEONE HAS TO DEFEND HER IN SOME WAY, ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE'S CRAZINESS GOING ON.

HEY, I WANT TO GET TO THE NEXT TOPIC WITH YOUR OKAY, EVERYBODY.

LET'S MOVE TO MS. WENDY WIESE, THE SILVER ANNIVERSARY -- >> CELEBRATOR.

>> YEAH.

OKAY, VACCINES.

THERE HAVE BEEN NUMEROUS REPORTS THIS WEEK THAT THEY CAN'T GIVE THEM AWAY.

THEY'RE JUST NOT GETTING PEOPLE GOING TO THE DOME OR EVEN ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE RIVER.

AND AT SOME POINT, WE'RE GOING TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE THERE ARE TOO MANY VACCINES AND NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE.

THE FORMER FDA COMMISSIONER, GOTTLIEB, TOLD THE FDA YESTERDAY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO VACCINATE MORE THAN 10 MILLION AMERICANS.

THEY SAID JUNE 15th, GET THE VACCINE, OTHERWISE WE'RE GOING TO SEND THESE TO THE DEVELOPING WORLD.

>> I THINK YOU'RE A GREAT HUMANITARIAN FOR EVEN COMING UP WITH THAT ALTERNATIVE, BUT I ALSO THINK THAT WE HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO ENSURE THAT PEOPLE ARE FINDING OUT ABOUT THE NEW DATES AND THE FACT THAT EVERYBODY IS OPEN NOW TO RECEIVE THE VACCINE.

AMY YEAGER IS THE PUBLIC INFORMATION DIRECTOR FOR MADISON COUNTY.

SHE DOES NOT BELIEVE IT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH HESITATION.

SHE JUST BELIEVES THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT AWARE THAT THEY HAD INITIALLY BEEN TOLD THAT IT WOULD BE SUMMERTIME AND THAT THEY DO NOT SAMPLE THE MEDIA OFTEN ENOUGH.

THAT PART I CAN'T FIGURE OUT.

YOU KNOW, WE USE ALL SORTS OF WAYS TO ALERT PEOPLE TO CHILDREN WHO HAVE BEEN TAKEN, YOU KNOW, VIA THE AMBER ALERTS, THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SYSTEM.

AND I'VE SEEN COUNTLESS PSAs ON TELEVISION ABOUT VACCINES BEING AVAILABLE.

I DON'T THINK THE JOHNSON & JOHNSON PAUSE THIS WEEK HELPED THOSE WHO WERE ON THE FENCE, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE REASON IS, BUT NO.

I THINK -- I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD IMMEDIATELY SEND ALL OF THE VACCINES OVERSEAS UNTIL PEOPLE HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY.

>> NO, WE SHOULD KEEP THEM HERE BECAUSE IF YOU GO TO THE DOME, OKAY, IN PEOPLE'S MINDS, YOU GET DRIFTING AND SMOKE AND LOUD CARS.

OH AND BY THE WAY, IT DOESN'T REALLY DO ME MUCH GOOD TO GET KILLED TRYING TO GET MY VACCINE.

NOW O I KNOW THAT'S HYPERBOLE, BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK THAT AND PEOPLE HERE AT METRO EAST SIDE, OH MY GOD, I'LL GET SHOT FASTER THAN IF I GO TO THE DOME.

HAVE A MASS VACCINATION SITE IN QUEENY PARK AND THE LINE WOULD BE PROBABLY BACK TO KIRKWOOD.

LET'S JUST BE SERIOUS.

YOU'RE SENDING PEOPLE FROM A REGION THAT REALLY ARE VERY SUSPICION OF THE CITY OF ST. LOUIS, STRAIGHT DOWN TO THE CITY OF ST. LOUIS.

AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO WORK.

>> IT'S NOT 11:00 P.M., ALVIN.

THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO DOWN -- THE HOURS ARE BUSINESS HOURS AND I'M THINKING -- >> THAT'S FUNNY BECAUSE, ALVIN, BETH AND I WENT DOWN TO THE DOME ON FRIDAY, WE GOT OUR VACCINE.

TOOK 31 WHOLE MINUTES, INCLUDING THE 15 MINUTES OF RELAXATION, WHATEVER THEY CALL THAT, AND THE WOMAN WE WENT IN WITH WAS FROM CREVE COEUR AND SHE COULD HAVE GONE TO CHESTERFIELD MALL.

THEY HAVE A BIG SITE UP THERE, BUT AROUND THE AREA, WHETHER GOP MEN OR OTHERS, I DON'T KNOW, PEOPLE ARE JUST NOT GETTING IT.

>> OKAY, I THINK THAT'S IT.

PEOPLE DON'T -- THE PEOPLE WHO REALLY WANTED IT HAVE ALREADY GOTTEN IT AND -- >> THAT'S RIGHT, BILL.

>> VERY GOOD POINT.

>> AND TALKING ABOUT THE NO VACCINE REQUIREMENTS FOR COMPANIES, BUT IT'S GOING TO COME DOWN TO THAT.

IF PEOPLE NEED TO GET VACCINES TO GO TO A BALL GAME OR THEY NEED TO GET VACCINES TO GO TO A MOVIE, THEN THEY'LL GET IT.

OTHERWISE, THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE WHO JUST DON'T -- STILL DON'T TAKE IT SERIOUSLY.

>> CHARLIE, AT WHAT POINT, IS IT JUNE 1st, IS IT FOURTH OF JULY, THAT THE GREATER POPULATION DECIDES I AM NO LONGER FEELING SORRY FOR ANYBODY WHO GETS CORONAVIRUS?

BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE COMING TO THAT DAY.

AND MAYBE THAT'S HOW IT SHOULD BE ADVERTISED.

EMPLOYERS, FRIENDS, BUSINESS PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, IF YOUR EMPLOYEE SAYS I HAVE CORONAVIRUS, I GOT TO TAKE, LIKE, A TEN-DAY QUARANTINE, BE LIKE, WELL, ON THE 11th DAY YOU NEED TO START LOOKING FOR ANOTHER JOB.

IS THAT FAIR?

BUT MAYBE THAT'S THE WAY IT SHOULD BE ADVERTISED NOW.

>> YOU KNOW, THERE'S A FAIR NUMBER OF REPUBLICANS THAT ARE MESSAGING AGAINST IT NATIONALLY, NOT ALL OF THEM CERTAINLY, BUT THAT ISN'T HELPING.

YOU GOT SOME -- CERTAINLY SOME AFRICAN AMERICANS WITH SOME PRETTY BAD HISTORY WITH VACCINES, AND I THOUGHT THE COUNTY WAS FIXING THIS ALL WHEN THEY HIRED MICHELLE WALTON GRAY, BUT APPARENTLY THAT HASN'T DONE IT.

[ LAUGHTER ] >> NICE ONE, NICE ONE.

>> I LIKE THAT, RAY.

THAT WAS GOOD, RAY.

THAT WAS GOOD.

>> YOU KNOW WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE DONE THOUGH?

IF YOU WANT YOUR $1400 STIMULUS CHECKS, YOU HAVE TO GET THE JAB.

>> I MEAN, IF THE SUPREME COURT STOOD BEHIND IT, I'M WITH YOU.

I'M WITH YOU, CHARLIE.

>> ALVIN, YOU WERE MENTIONING THE DRIFTING IN DOWNTOWN ST. LOUIS AND IT BECAME KIND OF A THING ON TWITTER OVER THE WEEKEND AND PEOPLE MAY SAY WHAT'S DRIFTING.

IT'S KIND OF WHEN YOU HAVE A LOUD ENGINE AND YOU'RE DOING STUNT WORK IN YOUR FORD MUSTANG AND PEOPLE ARE TAKING PHOTOS AND VIDEOS, WELL, THIS IS PART OF THE AUTO SHOW ON SATURDAY AND VENTON BLANDIN, WHO EVERYONE IS KNOW, A FAMILIAR VOICE AND VOICE FROM KMOV, HE WAS TWEETING, HEY, I HATE TO BE THE OLD MAN WHO'S SAYING GET OFF MY GRASS, BUT I LIVE AROUND HERE AND THE NOISE AND THE SMOKE FOR SIX HOURS IS RIDICULOUS.

ALVIN, DO YOU THINK THAT DRIFTING SHOULD BE ALLOWED IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD IN DOWNTOWN ST. LOUIS?

>> I'LL COMPROMISE.

SIX HOURS MAY BE TOO MUCH.

ALL RIGHT, THREE HOURS.

NOW IF YOU HAVE A PLATE, IT'S KIND OF LIKE NOT IN MY BACKYARD KIND OF THING.

YOU LIVE IN THE CITY OF ST. LOUIS AND, LOOK, ST. LOUIS IS THE PADDLES.

WE NEED A JUMPSTART.

I THINK WHATEVER YOU CAN DO TO GET PEOPLE TO ST. LOUIS, YOU KNOW, THEY SHOULD HAVE MADE PEOPLE -- IF YOU WANT TO GO TO THE DRIFTING THING, YOU GOT TO GET A VACCINATION, ALL RIGHT?

BUT WE GOT TO DO SOMETHING.

AND SO I CANNOT BE MAD AT THE CAR SHOW FOR, YOU KNOW, DOING THIS.

>> BUT CHARLIE, WHEN YOU SAY NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT COMES WITH AN ASTERISK.

IF YOU DECIDE TO LIVE DOWNTOWN, YOU'RE GIVING UP THE SORT OF QUIET OF THE WHITE PICKET FENCE SUBURBIA LIFESTYLE.

YOU'RE CHOOSING TO LIVE DOWNTOWN.

IT'S LIKE GETTING A CONDO ON WASHINGTON AVENUE AND THEN COMPLAINING THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S PEOPLE OUT AT ALL HOURS AT THESE CLUBS.

YOU BOUGHT THE CONDO THERE, SO IT'S A NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT THERE'S AN ASTERISK NEXT TO IT.

>> RIGHT YOU ARE, BILL, BUT DON'T FORGET, THIS IS THE VERY ACTIVITY THAT POLICE ARE TRYING TO HALT AMONG THE KIDS.

THAT'S WHY THEY HAVE THOSE JERSEY BARRIERS.

BUT LET ME ASK BILL ABOUT TIRE DUMPING IN NORTH ST. LOUIS.

THE MAYOR CRACKED DOWN ON IT THIS WEEKEND.

I CAN'T BELIEVE HOW MANY TIRES HAVE BEEN DUMPED IN SOME NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE CITY.

IT'S TERRIBLE.

APPARENTLY IT'S GOING ON ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, SO WE'RE NOT ALONE.

I GIVE THE MAYOR CREDIT FOR CRACKING DOWN ON THIS.

WHAT DO YOU SAY, BILL?

>> SURE, I GIVE THE MAYOR CREDIT FOR CRACKING DOWN ON IT.

SHE, BLESS HER HEART, IS GOING TO WORK TILL THE LAST DAY IN OFFICE AND I THINK THAT'S GREAT.

AS FAR AS CRACKING DOWN ON IT GOES, THEY CAUGHT THE TWO GUYS IN THE FOLLOW-UP, BUT SOMEBODY HAD HIRED -- IN THE PICKUP, BUT SOMEBODY HAD HIRED THOSE TWO GUYS AND IT'S THE PEOPLE WHO GET RID OF THE TIRES BY HIRING SOMEBODY TO GO DUMP THEM WHO SHOULD BE FACING STIFF FINES AND I'D SAY PUT THEM IN JAIL EXCEPT THAT WE'RE CLOSING ALL OUR JAILS.

I MEAN, THE ONES THAT HAVE LOCKS THAT WORK, WE'RE GOING TO SHUT DOWN.

BUT AT LEAST WE OUGHT TO FINE VERY HEAVILY THESE PEOPLE WHO, INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, SPENDING MONEY TO GET RID OF TIRES THE ENVIRONMENTAL WAY, JUST HIRE SOMEBODY TO TAKE THEM AND DUMP THEM IN AN ALLEY.

>> I THINK THE ONLY WAY YOU'RE GOING TO GET THOSE PEOPLE IS TO NAB SOME OF THOSE SMALL FISH AND SWEAT IT OUT OF THEM.

YOU CAN SPEND A YEAR IN THE -- WHAT THE DETENTION CENTER?

NOW, GRANTED YOU CAN WALK OUT OF YOUR CELL, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT'S A LOT OF MAYHEM AND FIRE AND SMOKE, YOU WANT NO PART OF THAT.

WHO HIRED YOU THE TO DUMP THE TIRES?

YOU GOT TO SQUEEZE THEM.

>> I DON'T UNDERSTAND.

WE JUST TALKED ABOUT ABOUT DRIFTING AND BURNING TIRES AND NOW WE'RE ILLEGALLY DUMPING TIRES, SO THERE HAS BEEN TO BE SOME KIND OF STRANGE CONNECTION.

WHAT I WAS THINKING ABOUT WAS MAYOR KREWSON IS OFFERING $100 TO ANYBODY WHO CAN -- YOU KNOW, WHO HAS INFORMATION LEADING TO CLOSING THE CASE AND, I MEAN, THAT'S PRETTY GOOD MONEY AND -- BUT I'M STILL THINKING ABOUT THE 911 CENTER AND THE CITY THAT HAS NO MONEY.

I AGREE WITH YOU, SHE SHOULD BE APPLAUDED FOR WORKING UNTIL THE -- SHE TURNS OUT THE LIGHTS.

>> I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, SHE'S GOING TO TURN OUT THE LIGHTS SOON AND HER SUCCESSOR WILL TAKE OVER AND BEFORE SHE TAKES HER OFFICE IN ROOM 200 AT CITY HALL, TISHAURA JONES WILL ANSWER OUR QUESTIONS ON NEXT UP AND THAT'S JUST AROUND THE CORNER HERE ON NINE PBS.

>> Announcer: DONNYBROOK IS MADE POSSIBLE BY THE MEMBERS OF NINE PBS.

>> HEY, THANKS FOR JOINING US FOR NEXT UP.

WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

THIS IS WHERE WE THROW QUESTIONS THE WAY OF COMMUNITY LEADERS, AND TONIGHT WE WELCOME THE MAYOR-ELECT FOR THE GREAT CITY OF ST. LOUIS, TISHAURA JONES.

KIND ENOUGH TO SHARE HER TIME WITH US ON NINE PBS.

MS. JONES, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR JOINING US.

HOW ARE YOU?

>> I'M WONDERFUL.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

>> WELL, THANKS FOR JOINING US.

AND I DO WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE NEWS THAT DAN ISOM, WHO WAS THE ST. LOUIS POLICE CHIEF AND WAS THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC SAFETY FOR THE STATE OF MISSOURI, IS GOING TO BE AT LEAST THE INTERIM DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC SAFETY IN YOUR NEW ADMINISTRATION.

CAN YOU CLARIFY, IS THAT INTERIM FOR A WHILE?

WILL THERE BE A NATIONAL SEARCH?

JUST HOW IS THIS WORKING?

>> YES, DAN ISOM IS GOING TO BE THE INTERIM DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC SAFETY.

WE WILL CONDUCT A NATIONAL SEARCH AND IF HE APPLIES AND IS SELECTED, THEN HE'LL BECOME THE PERMANENT DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC SAFETY.

BUT ALSO APPOINTED TODAY AS HIS SENIOR ADVISOR IS FORMER POLICE SERGEANT HEATHER TAYLOR.

>> FROM THE ETHICAL SOCIETY OF POLICE, FORMER GUEST OF NEXT UP.

WE LIKE TO SAY GOOD THINGS LAP TO GUESTS OF OUR SHOW.

FOR OUR SECOND QUESTION, WE GO TO BILL McCLELLAN.

>> MAYOR-ELECT JONES, RIGHT NOW THERE SEEMS TO BE CORPORATIONS ARE STEPPING UP AND GETTING INVOLVED IN POLITICS A LITTLE BIT.

YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY WITH THE VOTING RIGHTS.

SO MY FIRST QUESTION IS, DO YOU HOPE TO ENERGIZE ANY LOCAL CORPORATIONS?

AND MY SECOND QUESTION IS, IF THEY SAY TO YOU, LIKE CENTENE NA HAS BEEN DOING, OUR BIG CONCERN IS CRIME, PLEASE DON'T CLOSE THE WORKHOUSE, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO THOSE CORPORATE LEADERS?

>> I KNOW THEY SAY CORPORATIONS ARE PEOPLE TOO, BUT CORPORATIONS DON'T VOTE.

THE PEOPLE VOTED AND I MADE A PROMISE TO THE PEOPLE WHO ELECTED ME THAT WE WOULD CLOSE THE WORK LOUSE.

I THINK WE CAN WALK AND CHEW GUM AT THE SAME TIME.

WE REFORM OUR CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM AND MAKE SURE PEOPLE CURRENTLY AT THE CJC ARE TREATED WITH DIGNITY AND RESPECT AND ALSO UPGRADE THE FACILITIES.

SO I HAVE TO KEEP THE PROMISE TO THE PEOPLE WHO ELECTED ME.

>> AND DID YOU HOPE TO ENERGIZE CORPORATIONS IN ANY OF YOUR PLANS?

>> YES, ABSOLUTELY.

WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM BUSINESS LEADERS AS I WAS RUNNING AND HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM IS THAT NOBODY TALKS TO THEM, AND SO I LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING REGULAR CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR BUSINESS LEADERS TO SEE WHAT THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT AND A LOT OF TIMES, PEOPLE JUST WANT SOMEONE TO TALK TO, TO LET THEM KNOW THAT SOMEBODY CARES, THAT WHAT THEY'RE DOING IN THE MAYOR'S OFFICE.

I LOOK FORWARD TO ENGAGING OUR CORPORATIONS, ENCOURAGING THEM TO STAY, AND ALSO HELPING THEM GET INVOLVED IN IMPROVING OUR CITY AND OUR REGION.

>> THANK YOU.

>> RAY.

>> MADAM MAYOR-ELECT.

FIRST OFF, CONGRATULATIONS ON GETTING DAN ISOM AND HEATHER TAYLOR.

THOSE ARE GREAT PICKS.

MY FIRST QUESTION IS, YOU PAY SOME DUES IN JEFFERSON CITY, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT THE REPUBLICANS IN JEFF CITY, TO GET THEM TO START LEAVING THE CITY OF ST. LOUIS BE?

>> I THINK YOU'LL SEE THAT I'LL BE ENGAGING WITH MY FORMER REPUBLICAN COLLEAGUES.

I SERVED WITH OUR CURRENT GOVERNOR AND LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR WHEN THEY WERE BOTH IN THE SENATE AND HAD GREAT RELATIONSHIPS THERE AND LOOK FORWARD TO REBUILDING THOSE RELATIONSHIPS.

I'M ALSO HEADED TO JEFF CITY IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS TO TRY TO -- JUST TO GET TO KNOW THE NEW REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP.

I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO GO EVEN WHEN YOU DON'T NEED ANYTHING, TO KEEP RELATIONSHIPS WARM.

THAT'S SOMETHING I'VE ALWAYS DONE AS TREASURER AND I'LL CONTINUE TO DO THAT AS MAYOR AS WELL.

AND ALSO, TAKE SAM PAGE AND QUENTIN LUCAS WITH ME SO WE CAN PROVIDE A UNITED FRONT THAT SAYS WE'RE TOGETHER AND WE WOULD LOVE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT URBAN ISSUES AND HOW YOU CAN HELP THE CITIES BECAUSE TWO-THIRDS OF THE GENERAL REVENUE COMES FROM OUR URBAN AREA.

IT WOULD BEHOOVE THEM TO HELP US AND NOT HURT US.

>> MADAM ELECT, FAVORITE MOVIE OF MINE, THE CANDIDATE, ROBERT R REDFORD AND HE RUNS FOR SENATE AND HIS DAD IS INVOLVED IN POLITICS AND HE RUNS AND'S NOT GIVEN MUCH OF A CHANCE AND HE WINS AND A FEW MINUTES AFTER HE'S DECLARE THE VICTOR, HE SAYS, WHAT DO I DO NOW?

DID YOU HAVE ANY MOMENTS LIKE THAT WHERE YOU'RE LIKE, OKAY, I MADE IT, I'M THE MAYOR.

DID YOU ASK YOURSELF WHAT'S THE FIRST THING YOU'RE GOING TO DO, AND WHEN YOU DID ASK YOURSELF THAT, WHAT WAS YOUR ANSWER TO YOURSELF?

>> SO YES, ABSOLUTELY.

I FELT LIKE THE DOG THAT CAUGHT THE CAR FOR A MINUTE.

[ LAUGHTER ] I LOOKED AT MYSELF IN THE MIRROR AND SAID, WAIT A MINUTE, I ACTUALLY WON.

BUT, YOU KNOW, THEN I SAID, OKAY, WELL, HOW DO WE GET TO WORK?

SO I STARTED MEETING WITH MY TRANSITION TEAM.

WE HAD ACTUALLY BEEN MEETING, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL WEEKS BEFORE JUST IN CASE.

WE WANTED TO STAY READY SO WE DIDN'T HAVE TO GET READY.

SO I CONTINUE MY MEETINGS THERE AND WE MOVE FORWARD WITH TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE -- AGAIN, THE FIRST THING WE HAD TO DO WAS THIS PUBLIC SAFETY DIRECTOR.

WE HAVE TO COME OUT OF THE GATE MAKING SURE THAT THAT VACANCY IS FILLED SO WE CAN BE SERIOUS ABOUT ADDRESSING CRIME AND TRANSFORMING OUR PUBLIC SAFETY DEPARTMENT FROM ONE THAT LEADS WITH ARREST AND INCARCERATE TO ONE THAT LEADS WITH PREVENTION AND DAN AND HEATHER ARE THE RIGHT PEOPLE TO HELP US ALONG THAT PATH.

>> MADAM MAYOR-ELECT, DURING AN INTERVIEW, YOU SAID THAT ONE OF THE THINGS -- AND THIS WAS PRE-ELECTION, BUT YOU SAID IF YOU WERE ELECTED, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT YOU WANTED TO DO WAS TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE WHITE PROGRESSIVES IN ST. LOUIS TO EXPLAIN TO THEM WHAT IT MEANS TO BE AN EFFECTIVE ALLY TO THE CITY'S BLACK CITIZENS.

WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION, AND JUST COULD YOU SHARE WITH US AND EXPAND A LITTLE BIT ON WHY THAT IS SO IMPORTANT WITHIN THE PROGRESSIVE MOVEMENT.

>> WELL, SOME OF THEM, I DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION WITH BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE HAD THAT CONVERSATION AS THEY DECIDED TO ENDORSE ME, AND THAT WAS PART OF THEIR REASON.

YOU KNOW, BEING AN ALLY IN A CITY THAT'S A MAJORITY MINORITY CITY WITH A BLACK WOMAN WHO HAS THE EXPERIENCE, WHO'S RUNNING FOR OFFICE.

THERE ARE SOME THAT I STILL HAVE YET TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH, AND IT'S GOING TO BE HARD.

IT'S GOING TO BE UNCOMFORTABLE BECAUSE WE SAW A LOT OF DOG WHISTLE POLITICS COME UP IN THIS LAST ELECTION.

AND I THINK ST. LOUIS IS BETTER THAN THAT, AND I WANT US TO BE BETTER THAN THAT.

SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THOSE TOUGH CONVERSATIONS ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE SAID, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE DONE, AND HOW THAT DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY RELATES TO RACISM.

>> LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT -- A TWO-PART QUESTION HERE.

ONE IS, WITH THE SLDC, ST. LOUIS DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, THEY GET ONE PERCENT OF THE TAX BREAKS THEY GIVE, SO THERE'S AN INCENTIVE FOR THIS GROUP TO GIVE TAX BREAKS BECAUSE THEY GET ONE FERS AND IT SEEMS TO ME THAT MEANS, HUMAN BEINGS BEING HUMAN BEINGS, THEY'RE GOING TO APPROVE A LOT OF PROJECTS EVEN IF THE PROJECTS DON'T NEED TAXPAYER SUPPORT, BUT THAT'S MONEY OUT OF THE SCHOOLS.

THE FIRST PART IS, DO YOU THINK YOU'LL CHANGE THAT?

THE SECOND PART IS IF A COMPANY DOES GET A NICE TAX BREAK TO PUT UP LUXURY RENTAL HOUSING, WOULD IT BE OKAY TO ASK THAT COMPANY, HEY, YOU HAVE TO SET ASIDE TWO TO FIVE PERCENT OF YOUR HOUSING FOR LOW TO MODERATE INCOME UNITS?

>> I THINK IT'S POSSIBLE BECAUSE I'VE DONE IT.

I WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF NEGOTIATING A SALE OF A PIECE OF PROPERTY OWNED BY THE TREASURER'S OFFICE BEFORE THE ELECTION AND WE JUST ASKED.

CAN YOU SET ASIDE A PORTION OF UNITS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING?

WOULD YOU CONSIDER DECREASING THE AMOUNT OF TAX ABATEMENT THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR SO THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS ARE NOT HURT?

AND THEY CAME BACK WITH A RESOUNDING YES.

I THINK THAT WE DON'T GET WHAT WE ASK FOR BECAUSE WE JUST DON'T ASK.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE SLDC DO.

WE HAVE TO ASK FOR THE THINGS THAT WE WANT.

MY MOTHER ALWAYS SAYS A CLOSED MOUTH DOESN'T GET FED, SO WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ASKING FOR THE THINGS WE WANT, AND I THINK THAT WE CAN STILL -- AND IT WON'T BE SUCH A, YOU KNOW, A DISINCENTIVE FOR SLDC TO GET ONE PERCENT OF EVERYTHING THAT THEY BRING IN.

WE CAN STILL ASK FOR THE THINGS THAT WE NEED AND STILL MAKE MONEY OFF OF DEVELOPMENT.

>> BUT DO YOU THINK IF SLDC GOT MONEY OUT OF GENERAL REVENUES AND NOT FROM THE TAX BREAKS IT GIVES, IT MIGHT BE MORE FAIR IN AWARDS THESE TAX BREAKS?

>> YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK SO.

I THINK THAT WE CAN STILL BE FAIR.

I THINK THAT WE ALSO HAVE TO EVALUATE OUR -- THE TAX BREAKS THAT WE GIVE AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE FAIR.

BUT I THINK THAT SLDC CAN DO JUST FINE ON THE REVENUE THAT IT RAISES THROUGH DEVELOPMENT DEALS.

>> AFTER THE ELECTION, MAYOR-ELECT JONES, MORE PROGRESSIVES AROUND THE BOARD OF ALDERMEN AND THERE'S A LITTLE MAJORITY OF PROGRESSIVES RIGHT NOW AND THINGS LOOK GOOD FOR YOU, BUT LOOMING ON THE HORIZON, THE BOARD OF ALDERMEN IS GOING TO BE CUT IN HALF, AND LEWIS REED WILL PROBABLY HAVE A LOT TO DO WITH THAT AND I KNOW IN ONE OF THE NICE MOMENTS IN THE FIRST DEBATE, YOU SAID LEWIS REED HAD A GOOD HEART.

BUT DO YOU EXPECT TO BE VERY INVOLVED IN THIS HALVING OF THE BOARD OF ALDERMEN OR ARE YOU GOING TO LET THAT BE AN ALDERMANIC THING?

>> I THINK THAT ALSO DEPENDS ON PROPOSITION R, IF THEY GET THE SIGNATURES TO PUT THE BALLOT INITIATIVE ON THE BALLOT TO HAVE AN INDEPENDENTLY APPOINTED REDISTRICTING COMMISSION, AND IF THE PEOPLE VOTE ON THAT, SO THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT MIGHT HAPPEN BEFORE WE EVEN GET TO THAT POINT.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT IS NOT THE MAYOR'S RESPONSIBILITY TO REDRAW THE DISTRICTS.

IT IS THE -- UP TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD AND THE ALDERMEN, AND SO, YOU KNOW, MY ONLY RESPONSIBILITY IS TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT IT'S A FAIR PROCESS.

I CAN -- AND THAT'S HOW I SEE MYSELF CONTRIBUTING TO THAT CONVERSATION.

LET'S MAKE SURE THAT IT'S FAIR, IT'S OPEN, IT'S TRANSPARENT, THAT PEOPLE ARE HEARD, THAT THERE ARE AS MANY OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE TO WEIGH IN ON THE MAPS THAT THEY ARE DRAWING, AND THAT THE BOARD IS OPEN TO CHANGES AS PEOPLE PRESENT THEM.

>> THANK YOU.

>> DURING THE CAMPAIGN, YOU MADE A REFERENCE TO JEFF ROORDA, THE PRESIDENT -- WHATEVER HE IS, OF THE POLICE UNION, NOT BEING WELCOME IN YOUR OFFICE.

I DON'T WANT TO MISQUOTE YOU, BUT SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.

NOW THAT YOU'VE AT LEAST THE BEGINS BEGINNINGS OF YOUR TEAM IN PLACE, WHAT DO YOU THINK THE OUTLOOK IS, PARTICULARLY AS A WOMAN OF COLOR, TO DEAL WITH THE POLICE UNION IN THE CITY OF ST. LOUIS, WHICH IS QUITE A CHALLENGE?

IS YOUR POSITION ON JEFF ROORDA UNCHANGED?

WHAT DO YOU SAY YOURSELF BEING ABLE TO DO?

>> RIGHT, MY POSITION ON JEFF ROORDA HAS NOT CHANGED.

THE CURRENT PRESIDENT OF THE POLICE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION, I BELIEVE JAY SCHNEIDER, HAS REACHED OUT TO ME TO CONGRATULATE ME, BUT EASY NOT JEFF.

I WILL MAKE SURE THAT I SEPARATE THOSE TWO.

BUT I HAVE SAID IT AND I MEAN IT, HE'S NOT WELCOME AT MY TABLE.

HE HAS PROFITED OFF OF OUR PAIN AND HE HAS GASLIT RACISM IN OUR REGION.

WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD AND IN ORDER TO DO THAT, SOME THINGS HAVE TO GO AWAY IN ORDER FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD.

WE HAVE TO CHANGE SOME OF THE SEATS AROUND THE TABLE.

>> MAYOR-ELECT, YOU KNOW, CARA SPENCER STOOD UP TO THE ST. LOUIS BLUES WHEN THEY WANTED SOMETHING AND THEY THREATENED TO SUE HER AND RUIN HER.

IN THE PAST, ANY TEAM FRANCHISE, MAYBE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE RAMS, I HAVE TO SAY, HAS -- IT'S ALMOST LIKE THEIR ATTITUDE IS I'LL JUST RUN DOWN TO CITY HALL AND THEY'LL GIVE US ANYTHING WE WANT.

WHAT IS YOUR TAKE ON THAT?

I KNOW THAT GOES WITH KIND OF LIKE THE TIF THING AND HELPING BUSINESSES OUT TO THE DETRIMENT OF ALL OF ST. LOUIS, BUT WHAT IS YOUR FEEL?

HAVE YOU TALKED TO THE OWNERS OF YOU'RE FRANCHISES HERE, INCLUDING THE SOCCER TEAM?

>> I HAVE NOT YET SPOKEN WITH ANY OF OUR TEAM OWNERS AS MAYOR-ELECT.

I HAVE DEALINGS WITH THE BLUES, OBVIOUSLY, BECAUSE WE OWN ALL OF THE PARKING AROUND THE ENTERPRISE CENTER.

AND, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I'VE SEEN IN OTHER CITIES WHERE COMMUNITY BENEFIT AGREEMENTS CAN BE NEGOTIATED WHEN TEAMS WANT NEW STADIUMS OR NEW PRACTICE FACILITIES.

PITTSBURGH IS AN EXAMPLE WHERE THEY HAD A GREAT COMMUNITY BENEFIT AGREEMENT STRUCK WITH THEIR HOCKEY TEAM THAT AS A RESULT, THEY PUT A NEW GROCERY STORE IN AN AREA -- IN A NEIGHBORHOOD, IN A LOW INCOME NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HADN'T HAD A GROCERY STORE AND IT WAS A FOOD DESERT BASICALLY.

SO I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO BE WILLING TO NEGOTIATE AND COME TO THE TABLE AND, AGAIN, ASK FOR WHAT WE WANT BECAUSE A CLOSED MOUTH DOESN'T GET FED.

>> WENDY.

>> MAYOR-ELECT, DOUG MOORE SAID THAT WHEN YOU MET WITH SAM PAGE THIS WEEK, THE BOARD OF FREEHOLDERS CONVERSATION DIDN'T TAKE PLACE.

THERE WAS NOTHING -- THERE WAS NOTHING SAID ABOUT THAT.

YOU DID, PRIOR TO THE ELECTION, AT A ST. LOUIS BUSINESS JOURNAL FORUM, YOU MENTIONED THE POSSIBILITY OF EXPANDING THE EARNINGS TAX INTO THE COUNTY, WHICH WAS SOMETHING THAT THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE APPARENTLY DISMISSED OUT OF HAND.

IF YOU HAD TO, IF YOU FELT THE NEED TO TRY TO CHANGE SAM PAGE'S MIND ON THAT, HOW WOULD YOU GO ABOUT DOING THAT?

WHAT ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT BENEFITS?

>> WELL, I THINK WE HAVE TO COLLECT THE DATA AND DO A LITTLE RESEARCH.

I THINK THAT IF YOU -- YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THE COUNTY HAS MORE RESIDENTS AND MORE HIGH INCOME RESIDENTS, AND MY PROPOSAL -- OR, YOU KNOW, MY THOUGHTS -- I WON'T SAY A PROPOSAL, BUT MY THOUGHTS WERE TO MAKE IT A PROGRESSIVE INCOME TAX OR EARNINGS TAX, SO THE FIRST MAYBE 25 TO 35,000, YOU DON'T PAY THE TAX, BUT ANYTHING ABOVE THAT, IT GETS -- YOU PAY INCREMENTALLY BASED ON HOW MUCH YOU MAKE.

AND, YOU KNOW, THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT HASN'T BEEN DONE IN OTHER CITIES.

THEY HAVE PROGRESSIVE INCOME TAXES IN OTHER MAJOR CITIES, AND I ALSO THINK ABOUT HOW A STEADY STREAM OF INCOME COULD HELP NORTH COUNTY MUNICIPALITIES THAT DON'T HAVE A LOT OF COMMERCIAL INDUSTRY IN THEIR MUNICIPALITIES.

LIKE THE ONE WITH THE 13 PEOPLE.

I THINK THAT THIS HELPS EVERYBODY IN THE REGION.

A RISING TIDE LIFTS ALL BOATS, SO I WOULD LOVE TO DO A STUDY TO SEE HOW MUCH INCOME WE COULD ACTUALLY BRING IN AND THAT'S FOR EVERYBODY.

AND OBVIOUSLY YOUR INCOME STAYS WITHIN THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN YOUR MUNICIPALITY.

>> YOU'RE GOING TO GET $517 MILLION -- WELL, THE CITY WILL, AND I KNOW IT'S NOT ENTIRELY YOUR DECISION ON HOW IT'S SPENT BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT TO WORK WITH THE BOARD OF ESTIMATE AND APPORTIONMENT AS WELL AS THE BOARD OF ALDERMEN, BUT CAN YOU TELL US WITH ANY SPECIFICITY HOW YOU WOULD LIKE, AT LEAST SOME OF THAT MONEY TO BE SPENT?

>> WELL, I WAS ON A CALL WITH THE WHITE HOUSE EARLIER TODAY AND THE GUIDANCE ON HOW TO SPEND THIS MONEY IS CHANGING ON A DAILY BASIS.

SO ON THIS PARTICULAR CALL, THEY TALKED ABOUT HOW THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER FUNDING STREAM FOR RENT, MORTGAGE AND UTILITY ASSISTANCE AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE PRIMARY WAYS I WANTED TO SPEND OUR BUCKET OF MONEY, WHICH WAS RENT, MORTGAGE AND UTILITY ASSISTANCE.

THEY ALSO ANNOUNCED SMALL BUSINESS GRANTS INSTEAD OF LOANS THROUGH THE SBA.

I WANTED TO DO SMALL BUSINESS GRANTS WITH OURS AS WELL.

AND SO IT SEEMS LIKE -- AND ALSO, THERE'S A POT OF FUNDS COMING DIRECTLY FROM HUD TO HELP OUR UNHOUSED AND I WANTED TO HELP OUR UNHOUSED.

SO WITH THOSE THINGS OFF THE TABLE, POTENTIALLY OFF THE TABLE, I SEE US SUPPLEMENTING WHAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS TRYING TO DO, BUT ALSO WE SET UP A PORTAL ON MY WEBSITE AT TISHAURAFORMAYOR.COM, TO HAVE PEOPLE GIVE US INPUT AND ALSO TELL THEM WHAT THE BUCKETS ARE THAT WE CAN SPEND THE MONEY.

SO I LOOK FORWARD TO GETTING PUBLIC INPUT AS WELL AS WORKING WITH MY COLLEAGUES ON THE BOARD OF ALDERMEN AND ESTIMATE AND APPORTIONMENT TO COME UP WITH A PLAN TO SPEND THIS MONEY.

BUT ALSO, I THINK THAT THIS IS A REAL GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO MAKE INVESTMENTS WITH THESE FUNDS THAT WILL SEE RETURNS FOR MANY, MANY YEARS TO COME.

YES, 500 MILLION IS A LOT OF MONEY AND WE HAVE TO SPEND IT BY 2024, BUT I THINK THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO MAKE KEY INVESTMENTS SO WE CAN SEE RETURN FROM THESE INVESTMENTS FOR YEARS AFTER THESE FUNDS EXPIRE.

>> KEY INVESTMENTS SOUND LIKE A WONDERFUL IDEA, MAYOR-ELECT.

HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE ONE BIG FLASHY THING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO?

I MEAN, YOU'RE SUDDENLY GETTING A HALF A BILLION DOLLARS.

IS THERE ONE BIG PROJECT YOU'D LIKE TO PUSH?

>> IF IT WERE UP TO ME, I WOULD MAKE A HUGE INVESTMENT IN OUR YOUTH IN TERMS OF OUR REC CENTERS AND OUR PARKS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE SAFE PLACES TO PLAY AND WE'RE COMING UP ON THE SUMMER, SO HOW DO WE HANDLE SUMMER CAMP BECAUSE, AGAIN, THERE IS SPEAKING FROM A MOM'S PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT THESE CHOICES RIGHT NOW FOR MY SON.

SO HOW DO WE PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES FOR OUR KIDS TO CONTINUE TO LEARN THROUGHOUT THE SUMMER FOR FREE AT OUR REC CENTERS BECAUSE WHEN I WAS A KID, THAT'S WHERE I SPENT MY SUMMERS.

I HAD WONDERFUL FREE SUMMER CAMP AT OUR LOCAL REC CENTERS, AND SO HOW DO WE BUILD OUR REC CENTERS BACK UP TO PROVIDE THOSE SAME OPPORTUNITIES FOR OUR CHILDREN.

>> THANK YOU.

>> AS YOU KNOW, I'M A LITTLE BIT LONG IN THE TOOTH AND I WAS THINKING, YOU GO BACK, SAY, THREE DECADES AND YOU SAY THAT THE FOUR MOST INFLUENTIAL PEOPLE IN THE CITY OF ST. LOUIS ARE GOING TO BE FOUR AFRICAN AMERICAN WOMEN, KIM GARDNER, CIRCUIT ATTORNEY, YOURSELF OBVIOUSLY, DARLENE GREEN, THE CONTROLLER, AND CORI BUSH AS CONGRESSWOMAN.

PUT INTO WORDS WHAT YOU THINK THAT MEANS TO ST. LOUIS GOING FORWARD.

>> OH MY GOSH, I'M SO EXCITED TO BE ABLE TO SERVE WITH THE WOMEN THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED.

YOU KNOW, I TALKED -- I TALK TO DARLENE ALREADY AS TREASURER, BUT BEING ABLE TO SERVE WITH HER IN THIS CAPACITY AND JUST BEING ABLE TO SIT WITH HER ON A WEEKLY BASIS NOW, BIWEEKLY BASIS AT THE BOARD OF AND GET ALL THE INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE SHE HAS, IT'S SO EXCITING FOR ME.

WE'VE ALREADY HAD A CALL WITH CORI BUSH'S TEAM AND INTRODUCED OUR TEAM, SO WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO USHERING IN A NEW ERA OF COLLABORATION AND COOPERATION ON THE FEDERAL AND LOCAL LEVEL.

NO LONGER WILL WE WONDER WHAT'S GOING ON IN D.C. WE'LL HAVE DIRECT ACCESS THROUGH OUR TEAMS TO BE ABLE TO BE IN SYNC, AND ALSO TO BE ABLE TO HELP KIM GARDNER ACHIEVE HER PLATFORM.

THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE ELECTED HER ON TO DO, CLFRS TO REFORM OUR -- WHICH WAS TO REFORM OUR CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM.

SHE NEEDED A PARTNER IN THE MAYOR'S OFFICE IN ORDER TO DO THAT, AND NOW I'M ABLE TO HELP HER DO THAT.

SO I THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO WORK TOGETHER AS BLACK WOMEN, LOOKING -- WITH THE LEADERSHIP THAT WE -- THE WAY THAT WE APPROACH LEADERSHIP FROM A HOLISTIC STANDPOINT TO REALLY BRING SOME CHANGE TO OUR CITY AND OUR REGION.

>> WELL, I FORGOT THE MAN'S NAME, MILLION-DOLLAR MAN LIVING IN THE PLAZA AND WAS GOING TO FIX OUR SCHOOLS AND MAYOR SLAY WAS INVOLVED AND THAT WAS AN UNMITIGATED DISASTER.

SEEMS LIKE SINCE THEN, ROOM 200 HAS LEFT THAT ALONE.

ARE YOU GOING TO TRY TO GET INVOLVED IN IMPROVING CITY SCHOOLS OR JUST KIND OF LEN -- LEND AN EAR OR TRY TO HELP WHEN ASKED OF YOU?

>> NO, I'M GOING TO BE AN ACTIVE PARTNER WITH OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT.

I ALREADY AM AS TREASURER WITH THE COLLEGE KIDS CHILDREN'S SAVINGS ACCOUNT PROGRAM.

I LOOK FORWARD TO EXPANDING THAT PROGRAM AND DO MORE WITH OUR CHILDREN.

I WANT TO BOOK-END IT SO EVERY KID STILL WILL GET AN ACCOUNT WHEN THEY START KINDERGARTEN, BUT ALSO WHEN THEY GRADUATE, THEY'LL HAVE OPTIONS, SO WORKING WITH OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY, WITH OUR UNIVERSITY COMMUNITY, I THINK OUR HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATES SHOULD WALK ACROSS THE STAGE WITH THREE THINGS.

THEIR DIPLOMA, A COPY OF A CREDIT REPORT, AND AN OFFER LETTER GOING SOMEWHERE.

THAT'S A UNION APPRENTICESHIP A TWO- OR FOUR-YEAR COLLEGE, TECHNICAL OR VOCATIONAL SCHOOL, SO I WANT TO WORK WITH OUR SCHOOLS TO MAKE SURE WE ARE PREPARING OUR CHILDREN FOR THE FUTURE.

>> I CAN ONLY IMAGINE HOW PROUD YOUR FATHER WAS ON ELECTION NIGHT.

I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S -- I KNOW HE HAS SIGNED OFF OF TWITTER FOR A WHILE, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL -- ANY PARENT CAN IMAGINE HOW PROUD HE IS OF YOU.

ARE THERE THINGS -- ARE THERE PARAMETERS THAT YOU HAVE SET UP, MAYOR-ELECT, FOR YOUR FATHER BECAUSE YOU SPOKE OF DARLENE GREEN AND INSTITUTIONAL MEMORY.

YOUR FATHER HAS THAT IN ABUNDANCE, SO YOU CAN RELY ON HIM IN SO MANY WAYS.

BUT I'M SURE, LIKE ANY DAUGHTER, LIKE ANY LOVING PROUD DAUGHTER, YOU'VE TO PUT UP THOSE FENCES.

WHERE ARE THOSE FENCES WITH YOUR FATHER?

>> YES, ABSOLUTELY.

AND MY FATHER LIKES TO TELL THE SAME STORY OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT -- [ LAUGHTER ] >> THAT'S ALL FATHERS.

YEAH, MY DAUGHTERS SAY THE SAME THING.

>> DADDY, YOU TOLD ME THAT ALREADY.

BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT I COULDN'T BE HAPPIER THAT MY DAD IS PROUD OF ME, BUT ALSO THAT HE'S STILL HERE, HE'S HEALTHY, AND HE HELPS ME WITH MY SON.

THE MOST ADORABLE 13-YEAR-OLD BOY IN THE WORLD.

AND SO I THINK THAT HE'S GETTING MORE FOCUSED ON AIDEN AND HELPING ME AS THINGS GET A LOT BUSIER IN MY LIFE, YOU KNOW.

I'M SELLING MY BUSINESS, BUT IF YOU SAW AIDEN'S SPEECH ON ELECTION NIGHT, YOU SAID THAT PAPA LET HIM TAKE OVER HIS BASEMENT.

WELL, AIDEN HAS BEEN STAYING WITH HIM THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF HE'S GOING TO COME BACK.

[ LAUGHTER ] BUT, YOU KNOW, WE LIVE ACROSS THE STREET FROM EACH OTHER, SO I CAN JUST SEE HIM WHENEVER, WHENEVER I WANT TO.

BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE -- I HAVE -- I'VE TOLD HIM THAT, YOU KNOW, I CAN HANDLE THIS MYSELF, WHICH IS THE SAME THING WITH THE TREASURER'S OFFICE, BUT I USUALLY TELL HIM, YOU KNOW, IF I ASK YOU I WOULD LIKE YOUR OPINION, BUT IF NOT, THEN WE'RE GOING TO KEEP IT -- [ LAUGHTER ] >> HEY, LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THE HOMELESS IN DOWNTOWN ST. LOUIS.

THEY ARE UBIQUITOUS, AS YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW.

CLARK STREET, 14th STREET, DEXTER, 10th, RIGHT ACROSS FROM YOUR OFFICE AT CITY HALL, YOUR FUTURE OFFICE.

DO YOU THINK THAT IT WILL LOOK DIFFERENT AFTER FOUR YEARS OF YOU BEING MAYOR?

>> SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS WORK WITH OUR DEPARTMENT OF HUMAN SERVICES TO TRY TO SET UP -- AND OUR CONTINUUM OF CARE TO SET UP MORE REGIONAL OPTIONS FOR OUR UNHOUSED BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES HOMELESS, OUR UNHOUSED GET DROPPED OFF DOWNTOWN AND THEY'RE LEFT TO FEND FOR THEMSELVES.

SO THAT MEANS MORE TINY HOME VILLAGES AROUND THE CITY.

NOT JUST DOWNTOWN.

AND ALSO AROUND THE REGION.

I REALLY LOVE THE CONCEPT, AND ALSO BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE WRAPAROUND SERVICES FOR OUR UNHOUSED TO MAKE SURE THAT'S JUST A TEMPORARY STOP FOR THEM AND GIVE THEN AS MUCH HELP AS POSSIBLE -- GIVE THEM AS MUCH HELP AS POB TO GET BACK TO LEADING PRODUCTIVE LIVES.

THEN ALSO, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME THAT THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE AN OPTION FOR THEM NO MATTER WHAT KIND OF HELP YOU TRY TO OFFER.

SO HOW CAN WE MEET OUR UNHOUSED WHERE THEY ARE AND PROVIDE THE SERVICES THAT THEY NEED TO -- IF BEING UNHOUSED IS WHAT THEY WANT TO DO, LET'S TRY TO SUPPORT THEM IN SOME WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.

>> WE REALLY ONLY HAVE ABOUT 30 SECONDS.

BILL.

>> I WAS GOING TO ASK ABOUT THE REVENUE FROM PARKING.

THAT'S BEEN A QUESTION FOR YEARS AND YEARS.

DO YOU THINK THAT IT SHOULD BE GOING TO CITY HALL?

DO YOU THINK THE TREASURER SHOULD KEEP IT?

>> IT ALREADY GOES TO CITY HALL.

YOU KNOW, OUR EMPLOYEES -- THE PARKING DIVISION EMPLOYEES ARE CITY EMPLOYEES.

THE PARKING DIVISION HAS BEEN ABLE TO TAKE AWAY ALMOST $60 MILLION OF DEBT THAT COULD HAVE BEEN ON THE CITY'S BOOKS, AND THE PARKING DIVISION HAS EXPENSES THAT IT HAS TO COVER.

SO I MEAN -- AND ALSO HAS BEEN SUPPLEMENTING THE TREASURER'S OFFICE TO THE TUNE OF HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS BECAUSE THE WAYS AND MEANS -- OR THE BUDGET DIRECTOR KEEPS REDUCING THE BUDGET OF TREASURY OPERATIONS.

SO THAT MONEY IS ALREADY GOING IN AND OUT AND THROUGH CITY HALL IN SOME WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.

>> MAYOR-ELECT TISHAURA JONES, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR JOINING US ON NEXT UP.

WE HOPE TO SEE YOU AGAIN SOON AND GOOD LUCK AND CONGRATULATIONS.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING A ME.

>> THANKS FOR JOINING US, EVERYBODY.

SEE YOU NEXT WEEK AT THIS TIME ON NINE PBS.

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