♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> Rooney: I'M EMILY ROONEY.

WELCOME TO "BEAT THE PRESS."

OUR TOPICS: POLICE DEPARTMENTS SUDDENLY RELEASING BODY CAMERA FOOTAGE WHEN THEY USED TO HOLD BACK; THE ANTI-DEFAMATION LEAGUE IS CALLING ON RUPERT MURDOCH TO TAKE TUCKER CARLSON OFF THE AIR; AND CO-OWNERS OF "SOUTH END NEWS" AND "BAY WINDOWS" ARE PUTTING THE PAPERS UP FOR SALE.

PLUS, OUR PANEL'S RANTS AND RAVES OF THE WEEK.

JOINING ME ARE: JON KELLER OF WBZ NEWS; FORMER NECN ANCHOR, MIKE NIKITAS; THE "BOSTON GLOBE'S" LYLAH ALPHONSE; AND CALLIE CROSSLEY OF GBH NEWS.

FIRST UP, DESPITE PRESSURE FROM THE MEDIA AND ACTIVIST GROUPS, POLICE USUALLY HOLD ON TO BODY CAM AND DASHBOARD VIDEO UNTIL A VIOLENT OR FATAL INCIDENT IS WELL IN THE PAST.

THAT HAS CHANGED IN RECENT MONTHS, PROVIDING MORE TRANSPARENCY AND LOOSENING THE GRIP THAT POLICE HAVE HAD ON CONTROLLING THE NARRATIVE.

WE WARN YOU WE WILL BE USING SHORT CLIPS OF SOME OF THE VIDEOS.

IF A 17-YEAR-OLD GIRL HAD NOT VIDEOTAPED THE STRANGULATION DEATH OF GEORGE FLOYD LAST MAY, WOULD THERE HAVE BEEN A CONVICTION?

>> IT'S SAD TO SAY BUT PROBABLY NOT.

>> Rooney: AND THAT'S PROBABLY TRUE BECAUSE, WHILE POLICE HAD THEIR OWN BODY CAM VIDEO, SOME OF IT WAS NOT RELEASED UNTIL TRIAL.

>> HIS VOICE AUDIBLE AS HE DEFENSE HIS TREATMENT OF GEORGE FLOYD TO AN ONLOOKER.

>> Rooney: POLICE HAVE A LONG TRADITION OF HOLDING BACK.

IN 2015, CHICAGO POLICE HAD WAITED 13 MONTHS BEFORE RELEASING VIDEO OF POLICE SHOOTING LAQUAN McDONALD.

>> THERE YOU SEE 17 YEAR OLD LAQUAN McDONALD.

HE WAS JAYWALKING THERE ON THE STREET.

THIS IS DASH CAM VIDEO FROM THE POLICE VEHICLE.

>> Rooney: LIKE THE FLOYD CASE, WRITTEN ACCOUNTS BY LAW ENFORCEMENT DIFFERED FROM WHAT VIDEO SHOWED.

THIS WEEK, THOUGH, AFTER A SPATE OF SHOOTING OF YOUNG BLACK PEOPLE, POLICE IMMEDIATELY RELEASED VIDEOS INCLUDING... DAUNTE WRIGHT.

KILLED DURING A TRAFFIC STOP NEAR MINNEAPOLIS; AND MILES JACKSON, SHOT TO DEATH IN A HOSPITAL ROOM IN COLUMBUS, OHIO.

>> PUT YOUR HANDS UP NOW.

>> Rooney: AND ALSO IN COLUMBUS, 15 YEAR OLD MA'KHIA BRYANT, SHOT DEAD BY POLICE.

>> POLICE WHO DO NOT NORMALLY PROVIDE INFORMATION SO SOON, RELEASING THE BODY CAM VIDEO OF THE INCIDENT.

>> Rooney: A MOVE THAT SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGED THE NARRATIVE FOR THE MEDIA, FOR POLICE, AND FOR ANYONE SEEKING THE TRUTH.

>> Rooney: MIKE, FIRST OF ALL, I CAN'T BELIEVE THE INCIDENTS, ONE JUST YESTERDAY IN NORTH CAROLINA.

BY RELEASING THIS VIDEO TO THE NEWS MEDIA, BECAUSE LET'S FACE IT, THAT'S HOW IT GETS DISSEMINATED, PEOPLE WERE LOOKING AT IT FRAME BY FRAME, THERE WASN'T OPOLICE REPORT TO KIND OF INTERFERE WITH THE VIDEO SO THEY WEREN'T GETTING THESE FRANKLY, YOU KNOW, DOCTORED POLICE REPORTS BEFORE THE FACT.

LIKE WE SAW IN THE FLOYD CASE.

LIKE WE SAW IN THE HORRIBLE MCDONALD CASE WHERE THE POLICE REPORTS DIDN'T EVEN BEGIN TO REACH THE REALITY OF WHAT HAD HAPPENED.

>> WELL, THE FLOYD CASE IT HAS BEEN WELL DOCUMENTED.

IN THE POLICE REPORT WAS FAR DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE SAW IN THE VIDEO.

RELEASING ANY VIDEO I THINK INVOLVES RISK BUT AT THIS POINT I DON'T THINK POLICE HAVE ANY CHOICE, THEY HAVE TO DO IT IN THE CURRENT CLIMATE, THEY HAVE IT, IT INCREASES ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY.

I THINK THEY HAVE TO.

I THINK THE HARD THING IS THAT IT'S SOMETHING WE ALL LEARN IN NEWS IS THAT A VIDEOTAPE, MANY TIMES, DOES NOT TELL THE WHOLE STORY.

AND YOU REALLY HAVE TO FACTOR IN OTHER THINGS LIKE WHEN WAS THE CAMERA TURNED ON?

WHAT ARE THE HUMAN FACTORS THAT GO INTO THIS, INCLUDING EMOTION?

THAT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO PARSE OUT WHEN YOU REVIEW, ESPECIALLY IN OUR SCROLLING CULTURE AND IN OUR YOUTUBE CULTURE, SO IT'S SOMETHING AGAIN THAT I THINK THEY HAVE TO CONTINUE DOING DESPITE THE RISK.

>> I THINK THAT I AGREE WITH MIKE, THAT THEY HAVE TO DO IT BECAUSE OF TRANSPARENCY ISSUES.

BUT I THINK EXPECTATIONS FROM THE PUBLIC, FROM THE CONSUMER HAS CHANGED VAST REPLY OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS.

COMPLICATING MATTERS, THERE'S JUST AS LIKELY TO BE FOOTAGE FROM BYSTANDERS NOW WHO HAVE TAKEN THEIR OWN VIDEO WHO UPLOADED TO IT SOCIAL MEDIA.

IF POLICE REFUSE TO RELEASE SOMETHING LOOKING LIKE THEY ARE HIDING SOMETHING IT IS IN THEIR BEST INTEREST TO RELEASE IT.

THEY DON'T ALWAYS HAVE THE CAMERA ON, POINTING THE RIGHT WAY, THE CAMERA DOESN'T ALWAYS SHOW EVERYTHING WHICH IS WHY I THINK IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO HAVE ALL OF THE FOOTAGE FROM ALL OF THE CAMERAS AVAILABLE.

THAT'S NOT TO SAY THE PUBLIC HAS TO BE THE ONES TO DECIDE WHAT REALLY HAPPENED BUT I THINK FOR ACCOUNTABILITY SAKE AND FOR TRANSPARENCY SAKE THEY'RE RELEASING IT MORE QUICKLY BECAUSE NOT RELEASING IT RAISES QUESTIONS THEY PERHAPS DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH.

>> I THINK IT CAN'T BE OVERLOOKED THAT PUBLIC PRESSURE BROUGHT TO BEAR A MORE QUICK RELEASE OF SOME OF THIS VIDEO.

PARTICULARLY I'M THINKING ABOUT THE LA QUAN MCDONALD CASE.

THAT WAS RELEASED TO AN INDEPENDENT JOURNALIST WHO THEN RELEASED IT.

THEY WERE DENYING IT EVER EXISTED, THAT WAS OF COURSE A YOUNG MAN SHOT 16 TIMES IN THE BACK IN CHICAGO AND THE POLICE REPORT SAID NOTHING LIKE THAT.

AND THE SAME THING WITH GEORGE FLOYD.

I THINK WHEN PEOPLE COME TO UNDERSTAND UNFORTUNATELY, LOOKING AT SOME OF THOSE POLICE RECORDS AND THE ONE OF GEORGE FLOYD WAS A GOOD EXAMPLE, THEY SAID IT WAS A MEDICAL INCIDENT THAT HAPPENED, NOTHING ABOUT NEON NECK, NOTHING ABOUT ALL THE STUFF GOING ON IN THE STREETS, NOTHING.

SO YOU NEED THE VIDEO.

WE'VE SEEN MANY CASE WREST THEY USE THE SURVEILLANCE IN ADDITION TO BODY CAM, IN ADDITION TO BYSTANDERS, I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE A STANDARD.

THE REASON THAT VIDEO IS RELEASED MORE QUICKLY THAN IT HAS BEEN IS REALLY PUBLIC PRESSURE.

>> YEAH AND DON'T FORGET THE PRESSURE ON THE POLITICAL ESTABLISHMENT.

THE COVERUP OF THE LAQUAN MCDONALD PRETTY MUCH MADE A MASH OF ROM EMANUEL'S POLITICAL CAREER IN MAYOR AS CHICAGO.

EAGER TO GET VIDEO OUT THERE AND SO FORTH, THAT'S ANOTHER ASPECT OF THE ISSUE, POLICE REPORTS IN THE PAST, WE'VE SAID BASICALLY THEY'RE GARBAGE.

THE MEDIA IS WAY TOO QUICK TO GIVE UNQUALIFIED CREDENCE TO WHAT POLICE INITIALLY SAY.

THAT'S WHAT'S TALKED ABOUT QUITE A BIT IN THE WAKE OF THE GEORGE FLOYD EPISODE.

BOTTOM LINE CAN IS, IT ALL STARTED WITH THE SMARTPHONE.

ONCE THOSE SMARTPHONE VIDEOS STARTED HITTING YOUTUBE THE HORROR, THE HORRIFIC REALITY OF EXCESSIVE FORCE AND POLICE BRUTALITY CAME ROARING INTO EVERYONE'S COMPUTER AND HOME OFFICE THROUGH THEIR SMARTPHONE.

THAT HORSE HAS LEFT THE BARN NOW AND ANY PLUNS TO RELEASE BODY CAM VIDEO HAS BEEN SWEPT OUT TO SEA WITH IT.

>> Rooney: MIKE, WILL THIS CHANGE?

BECAUSE NORMALLY THE PRESS WAS RELIANT ON WHAT THE POLICE TOLD US.

THE WRITTEN REPORT IS GOING TO HAVE TO REFLECT WHAT WE SEE?

>> WELL, HOPEFULLY THEY WILL HAVE A CONFORMING MESSAGE BETWEEN THE TWO.

I'M WITH THESE OTHER FOLKS, I THINK THAT HORSE HAS LEFT THE BARN.

IT'S OUT THERE NOW, WE HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY.

IT HAS TO BE RELEASED AND I THINK THAT REPORTERS HAVE TO BE MORE SCRUPULOUS THAN EVER BEFORE IN QUESTIONING AND IT SHOULD BE AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN FOR A LONG TIME POLICE REPORTS.

I THINK THERE'S ONE THING TO REMEMBER FOR POLICE, SOMETIMES THIS CAN WORK IN THEIR FAVOR.

THEIR ACTIONS CAN BE BETTER UNDERSTOOD HOPEFULLY AND I MAY BE OVERLY OPTIMISTIC WORLD IF VIDEOTAPE IS RELEASED.

>> Rooney: DIDN'T SEE ANY THIS WEEK BUT MAYBE IN THE FUTURE.

ALL RIGHT.

FOR FOX NEWS, "TUCKER CARLSON TONIGHT" IS A RATINGS JUGGERNAUT.

LAST MONTH, IT AVERAGED 3.2 MILLION VIEWERS, MAKING IT AMERICA'S MOST-WATCHED CABLE NEWS PROGRAM.

BUT THOSE RATINGS COME WITH A COST: INTENSE XENOPHOBIA THAT MAY BE WHAT FOX VIEWERS WANT BUT HAS ALREADY BEEN CATASTROPHIC FOR THE COUNTRY.

ADAM REILLY HAS MORE.

>> Reporter: LAST WEEK, TUCKER CARLSON OFFERED A FORTHRIGHT SYNOPSIS OF HOW HE VIEWS THE POLITICS OF IMMIGRATION.

>> THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS TRYING TO REPLACE THE CURRENT ELECTORATE, VOTERS NOW CASTING BALLOTS WITH NEW PEOPLE, MORE OBEDIENT VOTERS FROM THE THIRD WORLD.

>> Reporter: AND HE INSISTED, DESPITE THE PHRASE "MORE OBEDIENT VOTERS FROM THE THIRD WORLD," THAT'S NOT RACIST!

>> EVERYONE WANTS TO MAKE A RACIAL ISSUE OUT OF IT, "OOH, WHITE REPLACEMENT THEORY."

NO, NO, THIS IS A VOTING RIGHTS QUESTION.

>> Reporter: TO WHICH THE ANTI-DEFAMATION LEAGUE REPLIED, "YEAH, ACTUALLY, THAT IS RACIST."

>> THE GREAT REPLACEMENT THEORY, AS IT'S KNOWN, IS THIS TOXIC IDEA THAT THERE'S A CABAL OF JEWS PLOTTING TO OVERRUN THE COUNTRY WITH IMMIGRANTS, MUSLIMS, BLACK PEOPLE, ET CETERA, AND COMMIT WHAT THEY CALL "WHITE GENOCIDE."

>> Reporter: AND, SAYS A.D.L.

HEAD JONATHAN GREENBLATT, IT'S AN IDEA THAT HAS REPEATEDLY LED TO LETHAL VIOLENCE IN RECENT YEARS-- IN CHARLOTTESVILLE; PITTSBURGH; CHRISTCHURCH, NEW ZEALAND; AND EL PASO.

>> HOW CAN THEY COUNTENANCE THEIR NETWORK BEING USED TO MAINSTREAM THE MOST TOXIC AND VIOLENT IDEAS?

>> Reporter: BUT, APPARENTLY, THEY CAN.

AFTER THE A.D.L.

CALLED FOR CARLSON'S FIRING, FOX CHAIRMAN LACHLAN MURDOCH INSISTED CARLSON HAD ACTUALLY "DECRIED AND REJECTED" REPLACEMENT THEORY IN THAT SEGMENT, A CLAIM THE A.D.L.

CALLED UNTRUE IN A SECOND LETTER.

WHETHER ALL THIS WILL HURT CARLSON'S RATINGS OR BOOST THEM REMAINS TO BE SEEN.

>> Rooney: YOU KNOW CALLIE, THESE COMPLAINTS CAME WHEN THE.PRIELTS OF AWFD ACCUSED RIEU BERTH MURDOCH OF THE SAME THING.

TAKING TALKING POINTS FROM VLADIMIR PUTIN, THIS IS THEIR LIFE BLOOD, TUCKER CARLSON AND MANY OTHER PEOPLE WHO HOST PRIME TIME SHOWS, DO SEE COMPLAINTS MAKING A DIFFERENCE?

>> NO, WE'VE HAD TWO ONGOING CONVERSATIONS ON THIS SHOW.

ONE IF THEY LIKE YOU, YOU CAN DAMN NEAR RUN NAKED IN THE HALLWAY AND NOTHING IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

THE SECOND THING IS THERE'S BEEN ALL KINDS OF TALK ABOUT CODED LANGUAGE.

WELL, TUCKER CARLSON DIDN'T CODE A DAD-GONE THING WITH THIS.

HE WAS RIGHT OUT THERE WITH IT.

EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT IT IS.

JONATHAN GREENBLATT IS CORRECT.

THIS IS ABSOLUTELY FROM THE HANDBOOK OF WHITE SUPREMACISTS.

THEY HAVE DECIDED THEY WILL RIDE THAT OUT BECAUSE A THEY HAVE ENOUGH SUBSCRIBERS WHO LOVE IT, THAT IS MEANINGFUL TO THEM ON THE BOTTOM LINE AND IF THEY LOSE ANY ADVERTISERS WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING IS THEY GO TO OTHER SHOWS, THEY DON'T LOSE FROM THE NETWORK AND THEY KEEP GOING.

IT WILL TAKE REALLY SOMETHING, A DIVINE INTERVENTION TO MAKE THEM MOVE FROM THE STAND OF SUPPORTING THIS GUY.

AND IF THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT TO DO THEN EVERYBODY SHOULD BE REALLY CLEAR ABOUT WHAT ARE YOU SAYING AND WHAT IS BEING PUT OUT THERE?

IT IS BEYOND HORRIFIC.

IT'S DANGEROUS.

AND IT'S APPALLING.

BUT THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE.

>> I AGREE WITH CALLIE.

IT'S DANGEROUS.

IT'S EXTREME SPEECH.

BUT HE'S NOT GOING ANYWHERE.

HE'S THE MOST POPULAR HOST IN ANY GIVEN WEEK, THE MOST POPULAR SHOW ON NETWORK NEWS.

IF LACHLAN AND RUPERT MURDOCH IS STILL GOING TO BACK HIM UP HE'S STAYING THERE.

HAVE YOU SEEN THIS CALL ON BOYCOTTING ADVERTISERS?

SO FAR I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY, I MAY HAVE MISSED SOME.

THE IMPORTANT THING TO REMEMBER EVEN ABOYCOTT OF ADVERTISERS, THEY HAVE GOT MORE REVENUE FROM THEIR SUBSCRIBERS THAN THEY DO FROM THEIR ADVERTISERS.

UNLESS, WE TALK ABOUT DIVINE INTERVENTION, UNLESS HE DOES SOMETHING ILLEGAL OUTSIDE OF WORK OR SOMETHING, I'M NOT SAYING -- THAT IS WHAT IT WILL TAKE TO GET HIM OFF THE AIR.

>> YEAH, WHAT'S THAT OLD SAYING ABOUT GETTING IN A MUD-WRESTLING FIGHT WITH A PIG?

THE PIG LOVES IT AND YOU JUST GET COVERED IN IN FILTH.

THEY ARE GOING TO CLAIM REPLACEMENT THEORY.

HE KNEW HE WAS GOING TO BE ESPOUSING THAT.

THEY'RE ALL GOING TO COME AFTER ME, COME ON CAMPERS BOYS AND GIRLS WATCHING AT HOME, BY AND LARGE, ELDERLY PEOPLE, HE KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT HE'S DOING.

THE 3.2 MILLION SOUNDS IMPRESSIVE BUT IT'S A DROP IN THE BUCKET OF THE SENTIENT AMERICAN ADULT POPULATION.

I THINK THE BEST MOVE THAT PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIKE WHAT HE'S PEDDLING CAN DO IS TURN THEIR BACK ON IT.

>> I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT TUCKER CARLSON'S JOB ON FOX NEWS IS NOT TO BE A JOURNALIST.

AND KEEPING HIM ON THE AIR IS NOT A JOURNALISTIC DECISION, NOT A MORALISTIC DECISION, IT'S A BUSINESS DECISION.

THERE ARE PLENTY OF PEOPLE WHO ARE AGREEING WITH WHAT HE'S SAYING AND THEY'RE WATCHING AND HE'S PREACHING TO THE CHOIR.

HIS SHOW IS ABOUT CONFIRMATION NOT AFFIRMATION.

I DON'T SEE HIM GOING AWAY ANY TIME SOON AND I DON'T SEE FOX NEWS HAVING A PROBLEM WITH HIM SAYING WHAT HE'S SAYING BECAUSE A LOT OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE WATCHING ALREADY AGREE WITH IT.

THEY'RE NOT OFFENDED.

AND I IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT THE REMEMBER THAT THOSE ADVERTISING DOLLARS THERE IS A LOT OF TALK ABOUT BUSINESSES PULLING THINGS, THEIR ADVERTISING DOLLARS OUT AND THEN THEY DON'T DO IT OR THEY BRING IT BACK.

SO AT THIS POINT IT'S AN EMPTY THREAT.

I DON'T SEE MUCH CHANGING.

>> Rooney: YOU KNOW CALLIE, WE'VE SEERN EXAMPLES EVEN WITH KIRK AND CALLAHAN, ADVERTISERS SPOKE UP.

NOT BECAUSE THEY PULLED THE ADS, THEY SAID SOMETHING PUBLICLY.

WOULD THAT MAKE A DIFFERENCE?

>> IT MIGHT BUT TO LYLAH'S POINT, IF YOU GO AWAY TEMPORARILY NOTHING HAPPENS.

IF YOU MAKE A STATEMENT YOU WALK AWAY AND MAKE A STATEMENT.

AND I'M SORRY TO SAY, I DON'T SEE IT HAPPENING.

I JUST DON'T SEE IT HAPPENING.

IT REALLY WILL HAVE TO BE SOMETHING THAT THEY CONSIDER HORRIFIC AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS.

I'M TRYING TO IMAGINE.

MURDER, MAYBE?

I DON'T KNOW.

BUT HE'S GOING TO BE SITTING RIGHT THERE 'TIL HE'S 90 MAYBE.

>> Rooney: MY GOSH!

THIS WEEK, THE CO-OWNERS OF TWO LOCAL COMMUNITY NEWSPAPERS, "BAY WINDOWS" AND THE "SOUTH END NEWS," HAVE ANNOUNCED THEY ARE UP FOR SALE.

"BAY WINDOWS" HAS SERVED THE L.G.B.T.Q.

COMMUNITY SINCE ITS LAUNCH IN THE EARLY '80s.

CO-OWNER SUE O'CONNELL SAYS OVER THE DECADES, THE PAPER'S MISSION HAS CHANGED DRAMATICALLY, BUT IT'S STILL A NECESSARY SERVICE.

>> WHAT HAS CHANGED ABOUT THE YOU CONTENT OF YOUR NEWSPAPERS, BUT ESPECIALLY "BAY WINDOWS" IN THE LAST COUPLE OF DECADES?

>> SOME OF THE FIRST ISSUES QUAINGD PROFILES OF COUPLES WHO HAD BEEN TOGETHER FOR A VERY LONG TIME -- CONTAINED PROFILES OF COUPLES WHO HAD BEEN TOGETHER FOR A LONG TIME.

AND WHO WERE HOPING THEY COULD MARRY SOMEDAY, AND HOW DORCHESTER IS BECOMING GAY.

AND THOSE ARE THE SAME STORIES THAT WE'RE WORKING ON TODAY.

BUT, WHAT HAS CHANGED IS LESS ABOUT THE CONTENT AND MORE ABOUT THE FOLKS WORKING AT THE NEWSPAPER WHEN "BAY WINDOWS" LAUNCHED.

WE'VE KIND OF TURNED TO A MORE COLUMNIST'S POINT OF VIEW AT "BAY WINDOWS" RATHER THAN DOING NEWS COVERAGE.

>> Rooney: AND O'CONNELL SAYS, JUST AS THE PUSH FOR SAME-SEX MARRIAGE BEGAN, SO DID THE REALIZATION THAT THE GAY COMMUNITY WAS JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE.

>> IT WAS ACTUALLY JUST MY BUSINESS PARTNER'S IDEA.

HE REALIZED THAT THERE WAS THIS THING CALLED "GAY SPRAWL" HAPPENING.

BECAUSE THEY'RE HAVING KIDS AND WORRIED ABOUT THE PTA COULD GET THE PAPER.

>> Rooney: THE PAPER FACED TOUGH TIMES, TOO.

ANTI-GAY ADVOCACY GROUPS TOOK THEM ON.

>> WE WERE ONE OF THE FIRST L.G.B.T.Q.

PAPERS TO HAVE NEWSPAPER BOXES ALL AROUND THE STATE.

SOMEONE KEPT PUTTING A DEAD PIGEON, TAKING THE PAPERS AND PUTTING A DEAD PIGEON IN.

>> Rooney: AS FOR THE DECISION TO SELL, O'CONNELL AND PARTNER JEFF COAKLEY SAY THEY ARE JUST TOO BUSY TO CONTINUE AND HOPE CIVIC-MINDED BUYERS STEP UP.

>> YEAH, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT'S BOTH BEEN A PASSION FOR JEFF AND I.

WE'VE ALWAYS KIND OF JOKED THAT WE WERE PROFESSIONALLY GAY.

BUT IT'S BEEN A JOY AND WE WANT TO PASS IT ALONG IN GOOD HEALTH SO SOMEONE CAN TAKE IT ON TO THE NEXT GENERATION.

>> Rooney: LET'S HOPE.

LYLAH IT'S INTERESTING WHAT SUE SAYS ABOUT TURNING TO COLUMNISTS.

IT'S TRUE, DURING THE '80s "BAY WINDOWS" DROACH A LOT OF COVERAGE, AIDS STORIES.

AND THERE WERE STORIES ABOUT ANTI-GAY ADVOCATES, SHE TOLD ABOUT THE PIGEONS, BUT A COUPLE GRABBED AURAL THE NEWSPAPERS SO THEY COULDN'T BE DISTRIBUTED.

THEY HAVE COME THROUGH A LOT OF MUTATIONS.

>> THEY REALLY HAVE.

AND I THINK THEIR STWOICH A SWITCH TO A MORE COLUMNIST FORMAT, SHOWS THAT NEWS HAS CHANGED.

IT IS NO OLIGHTNINGER NEWS THAT THERE ARE COUPLES WHO HAVE BEEN IN LOVE FOR DECADES WHO ARE FINALLY NOW ABLE TO GET MARRIED.

I THINK THAT THE SHIFT IN THE WAY CONSUMERS SCHOOL CONSUME NEWS HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT.

YOU AREN'T COMPETING WITH OTHER PUBLICATIONS OR FILLING GAPS THAT ORE PUBLICATIONS HAVEN'T FILLED.

IT'S MAINSTREAM NOW AND WHAT I ARE COMPETING WITH IS PEOPLE'S TIMES AND ATTENTION, YOU HAVE A GENERATIONAL SHIFT, A RISING PEOPLE LIKE JOJO SEWA AND OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE IN ENTERTAINMENT WHO ARE PROUDLY OUT.

AND NOT ASHAMED OF IT, NOT HIDING IT.

AND THE REACTION FROM THE GENERAL PUBLIC, YES, THEY'RE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE OUTRAGED, BUT OVERALL, PEOPLE JUST EMBRACE IT NOW.

IT'S JUST PART OF HOW THINGS ARE AND I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY JUST THE WAY THE NEWS IS HAS SHIFTED.

>> YEAH, FIRST OF ALL, CONGRATULATIONS ARE IN ORDER TO SUE AND JEFF FOR FANTASTIC JOB THEY'VE DONE OVER THE YEARS.

THAT'S HARD WORK.

AND IN AN ERA WHEN OTHER LOCALLY BASED NEWSPAPERS ARE DROPPING LIKE FLIES, THEY'RE A REAL GOOD ROLE MODEL FOR HOW TO HANG IN THERE.

WE'RE LUCKY HERE IN BOSTON.

WE HAVE THOSE PAPERS.

THE DORCHESTER REPORTER COMES TO MIND AS A COMMUNITY NEWSPAPER THAT DOES EXCELLENT WORK.

THERE ARE OTHER NEARBY NICHE NUBS THAT HAVE HELPED UP.

WITHOUT DAN KENNEDY I FEEL RELUCTANT TO WADE INTO ALL THIS.

YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE A NICHE, YOU'VE GOT TO FILL A NEED.

WITH EVEN LOCAL NEWS SOURCES OF GENERAL INTEREST, THAT MEANS MORE MICRO, MORE LOCAL, MORE GRASS ROOTS.

THESE TWO NEWSPAPERS SET A GOOD STANDARD, ALONG WITH THE TAB NEWSPAPERS THAT EMERGED AT THE SAME TIME IN THE MID '80s I THINK IT'S STILL A VIABLE FORMULA.

>> I WILL AGREE WITH JON AND CHANNEL DAN KENNEDY.

THE HYPERLOCAL NEWSPAPERS ARE THERE TO BRING WHAT'S LOCAL FOR A PARTICULAR FOCUS AND BOTH FOR "SOUTH END" AND "BAY WINDOWS" THAT'S HAPPENS HAPPENING.

I DON'T THINK LGBTQ IS MAINSTREAMED ENOUGH.

I HAVE A REGULAR SHOW AND WE HAVE QUITE A BIT TO TALK ABOUT IN DEPTH AND WE RUN INTO RUNNING OUT OF TIME EVERY TIME WE GET TOGETHER.

SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE FROM THE GREAT JOB THAT JEFF AND SUE HAVE DONE IS SOME YOUNG PEOPLE LIKE THEY WERE TAKE THIS OVER AND TAKE IT TO ANOTHER LEVEL OF HOW THEY COVER THE NEWS.

BECAUSE THERE'S STILL INTEREST, AND THERE'S STILL A LOT TO BE COVERED LOCALLY AND A LOT TO BE COVERED JUST IN THE PUERTO RICAN OF LGBTQ INFORMATION AND NEWS.

I FEEL.

>> YEAH, AND LET'S HOPE.

MOST OF US KNOW SUE OR JEFF, I ASSUME A LONG TIME COLLEAGUE AT LECN.

ONE OF THE THINGS LYLAH SAID EARLIER, IT'S EASY TO FORGET THAT THEY DROVE THE MEDIA AND COVERAGE IN BOSTON ON CERTAIN ISSUES, PARTICULARLY ON GAY MARRIAGE MORE THAN A DECADE AGO.

ANOTHER THING THAT STRUCK ME SUE'S RELEASE WHEN SHE SAID THEY WERE PUTTING IT UP FOR SALE, WE STARTED THESE PAPERS BECAUSE IT WOULD BE FUN AND IT WAS!

THAT'S SOMETHING FUN.

IN ADJOURNMENT YOU DON'T HEAR MUCH ABOUT ANYMORE.

SO THAT TO ME IS A LITTLE BIT OF A LOSS AND SOMETHING THAT SHE AND THE TWO PUBLICATION STOOD FOR.

F SUE SAID, I HOPE IT'S A GOVERNMENT SUPPORT AND MEDIA MERGER OR COMMUNITY OWNERSHIP.

SHE SAYS WE'RE WILLING TO STAY ON AND MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

I HOPE IT DOES, IT'S A HUGELY VALUABLE SERVICE AND IMPORTANT VOICE.

>> Rooney: I COULDN'T FIND OUT WHAT THE SALE PRICE BUT I DID TRY.

>> I ASKED SUE AND SAID DID YOU HAVE ANY OFFERS, SHE WOULDN'T SAY.

>> Rooney: I THINK SHE'LL GET AN OFFER, THAT'S MY GUESS.

ALL RIGHT.

TIME NOW FOR OUR RANTS AND RAVES, STARTING WITH JON.

>> THANKS EMILY.

I HAVE A RANT EXAMINE AGAINST POORLY CONTEXTUALIZED COVERAGE OF THE DEREK CHAUVIN VERDICT.

OF COURSE THE EXPECTATION PERPETUATED BY MANY, WAS IF THE VERDICT WAS NOT SATISFACTORY THAT THERE WOULD BE VIOLENCE IN THE STREETS, LOOTING, RIOTING THE WHOLE NINE YARDS AND FOX NEWS WAS SO INTENT IN HAVING THAT BE THE NARRATIVE THAT IN THEIR COVERAGE OF THE VERDICT THEY RAN 11 MONTH OLD VIDEO OF STREET VIOLENCE IN THE BACKGROUND JUST TO REMIND EVERYBODY OF WHAT HAPPENED WAY BACK THEN.

WELL, THE MOST RECENT DEFINITIVE STUDY I COULD FIND, ON THIS, FOUND THAT 93% OF THE TWIR 20 RACIAL JUSTICE PROTESTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY WERE PEACEFUL.

IN OTHER WORDS, THERE'S MORE VIOLENCE AT A NEW HAMPSHIRE GENDER REVEAL PARTY THAN THERE IS AT MORE THAN NINE OUT OF TEN BLACK LIVES MATTER OR RACIAL JUSTICE PROTESTS.

SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO AS A NEWS OUTLET WRITE OR SHOW VIDEO OF SHOP OWNERS BOARDING UP THEIR WINDOWS, THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO DO THAT, THEY GOT TO DO WHAT THEY THINK IS BEST, AT LEAST ADD A LINE, STUDIES SHOW THERE'S VERY LITTLE CHANCE THAT IF SOMETHING HAPPENS IT WILL BE VIOLENT.

>> Rooney: THE POLICE WERE ALL OVER, CIRCLING ALL OVER THE BACK BAY AND COMMON HILL.

THEY CONTRIBUTE TO THAT FEAR.

CALLIE.

>> I AM RAVING ABOUT THE STATE'S NEWSROOM LAUNCHING THE NEW HAMPSHIRE BULLETIN.

SO THIS IS A NETWORK OF THESE STATES NEWSROOMS THAT COVER WHAT'S HAPPENING IN STATE HOUSES, AND IN LOCAL COMMUNITIES, WITH GOVERNMENT IS THAT IS IMPORTANT TO PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE WHICH IS ALL OF US.

AND SO OFTEN WHEN NEWSPAPERS WENT AWAY AND LOCAL NEWSPAPERS WENT AWAY A LOT OF THAT COVERAGE DIED.

SO THIS GROUP OF NEWSPAPERS OR OUTLETS RATHER, THEY'RE NOT NEWSPAPERS, ARE DOING IT.

AND THEY'VE HIRED SOME NAMES THAT PEOPLE KNOW FROM THE CONCORD MONITOR.

THEY ARE VETERAN JOURNALISTS, NOT YOUNG PEOPLE JUST CUTTING THEIR TEETH.

SO THIS SHOULD BE REALLY GOOD COVERAGE.

BY THE END OF THE YEAR THEY WILL HAVE 25 STATES.

THIS ONE IS THE NEW HAMPSHIRE BULLETIN AND I JUST NOTED THAT ANN MARIA TIMMONS IS JOINING AND DANA WARMOFH IS JOINING THEM.

>> Rooney: GOOD FOR THEM.

LYLAH.

>> I'M SORT OF A RAVE FOR THE UNIVERSITY OF RHODE ISLAND, FOCUSED ON THE PICTURES AMENDMENT, IT'S JUST FASCINATING TO ME AND I THINK IT'S A WELL NEEDED, AND IMPORTANT THING TO DO, TO BRING THESE DISCUSSIONS WITH JOURNALISTS, ABOUT THE FIRST AMENDMENT TO THE PUBLIC.

THE SERIES IS NAMED AFTER JIM TARZANI, WHO FOR 40 YEARS -- >> Rooney: TIAKANI.

>> I'M TERRIBLE WITH PRONOUNCING NAMES.

I'M SORRY.

LEGENDARY JOURNALIST IN RHODE ISLAND, 40 YEARS AT CHANNEL 10 AND RAIL FOUGHT FOR FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS AND THE IMPORTANCE OF NEWS AND LOCAL NEWS.

IT'S WONDERFUL TO SEE MORE DISCUSSION AROUND THE IMPORTANCE OF THOSE THINGS.

>> Rooney: I THINK HE DID A STINT IN JAIL FOR NOT REVEALING ASOURCE.

>> I THINK THAT WAS 2004.

>> Rooney: ALL RIGHT, MIKE.

>> I WANT TO OFFER A RAVE FOR THE FOUR PART DOCUMENTARY SERIES NETFLIX, THIS IS A ROBBERY ABOUT THE ISABELLA STEWART GARTNER MUSEUM HEIST.

, LOTS OF BOSTON REPORT ERST INVOLVED, PRODUCED BY NICK AND COLIN BARNICLE, THE SONS OF FORMER "GLOBE" COLUMNIST MIKE BARNICLE.

THOUGH IT DOES NOT SOLVE THE GARDNER HEIST, AND I FOUND IT A BIT DRAWN-OUT AT TIMES.

IT LAYS OUT IN ONE PLACE ALL THE PIECES OF THE PUZZLE LIKE NEVER BEFORE AND CERTAINLY OFFERS SOME TANTALIZING POSSIBILITIES.

IT'S FULL OF FASCINATING CHARACTERS, AND IT WAS INTERESTING TO SEE MANY OF THEM AGAIN-- PEOPLE I HAVE INTERVIEWED IN THE PAST, LIKE MYLES CONNOR.

WHAT WE STILL DON'T KNOW IS WHERE ARE THE DARN PAINTINGS, WILL WE EVER SEE THEM AGAIN?

>> Rooney: TOM MASHBURG, WAS TAKEN BLINDFOLDED, THAT WAS A GREAT TALE, THANKS MIKE.

FINALLY I HAVE A RARE RAVE FOR A GOVERNMENT AGENCY, CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT?

I'M RAVING FOR NASA.

THIS IS A SOCIAL MEDIA SITE.

THIS WEEK THEY WERE TWEETING OUT THE LAUNCH OF THE MARS ROCKET AND THAT GREAT VIDEO OF THE MINIATURE ROCKET TAKING OFF AND LANDING A FEW TIMES.

CAN YOU IMAGINE BEING ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH THAT?

IRTHOUGHT IT WAS HEARTWARMING THIS THIS GROUP HAD THE WHEREWITHAL TO KEEP IT IN OUR NEWS NEEDS AT A TIME WHEN ALL THE NEWS IS SO GRIM AND SO AWFUL.

AND HERE IS THIS GOVERNMENT AGENCY, REALLY LOOKING TO THE FUTURE.

AND JUST THE WORLD OF SCIENCE IS JUST SO FASCINATING.

AND I WAS THRILLED TO SEE IT EVEN THOUGH IT WAS A GOVERNMENT AGENCY.

THAT'S IT FOR OUR SHOW.

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I'M EMILY ROONEY.

THANKS FOR WATCHING.

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