SNOAFORTSZ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> Braude: TONIGHT ON "GREATER BOSTON," FLORIDA'S SO-CALLED "DON'T SAY GAY LAW" IS JUST ONE OF HUNDREDS OF ANTI-L.G.B.T.Q.

PROPOSALS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

SEVERAL REPUBLICAN GOVERNORS AND STATE LAWMAKERS ARE LEADING THE CHARGE, BUT OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PARTY WORRIED, NOT ABOUT THE NEGATIVE EFFECT ON KIDS, BUT VOTERS.

"WASHINGTON POST" WHITE HOUSE REPORTER ANNIE LINSKEY JOINS ME THEN, LATER, TWO LOCAL BIOTECH LEADERS TRYING TO BRIDGE THE DIVERSITY GAP IN THEIR INDUSTRY.

AND FINALLY, BOSTON RESTAURATEUR TIFFANI FAISON JOINS ME FRESH OFF OF HER WIN OF THE FOOD NETWORK'S TOURNAMENT OF CHAMPIONS.

♪♪ >> Braude: WHEN THE SUPREME COURT LEGALIZED SAME-SEX MARRIAGE NATIONWIDE IN 2015 MANY, FOR SOME REASON, BELIEVED THINGS WERE SETTLED-- WITH EVEN THE HIGHEST COURT AGREEING THAT LOVE IS LOVE-- AND FAMILIES CAN COME IN ALL DIFFERENT SHAPES AND SIZES.

BUT NOW, ENTER, FLORIDA.

WHILE MOST POLITICIANS SAY THEY'RE DOING WHATEVER THEY'RE DOING FOR THE KIDS, GOVERNOR RON DESANTIS DOES IT TO THE KIDS, SIGNING INTO LAW LAST MONTH A BAN ON ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT SEXUAL ORIENTATION OR GENDER IDENTITY IN SCHOOLS WITH KIDS BEFORE FOURTH GRADE.

SO IF 8-YEAR-OLD SUSIE HAS TWO MOMS IN FLORIDA, I GUESS SHE NOW GETS TO HAVE A MOM AND A CLOSE FRIEND.

AND WHILE MANY HAVE COME TO KNOW IT AS THE "DON'T SAY GAY" BILL, WHICH SEEMS PRETTY ACCURATE TO ME, DESANTIS HAS BEEN PUSHING TO REBRAND IT, CALLING IT AN "ANTI-GROOMING BILL," GROTESQUELY ACCUSING DEMOCRATS WHO SUPPORT THE L.G.B.T.Q.

COMMUNITY OF BEING OR SUPPORTING PEDOPHILES LOOKING TO SEXUALLY "GROOM" YOUNG CHILDREN.

>> THEY HAVE TO LIE BECAUSE IF THEY ADMITTED WHAT THEY WERE REALLY FOR, SEXUALIZING KINDERGARTNERS AND FIRST GRADERS, THEY KNOW THEY WILL NOT FLY WITH THE PUBLIC.

>> Braude: IT'S A SADISTIC PLAY BOOK THAT SATTISTIC DeSANTIS SEEMS TO THIS HAVE THOUGHT UP AFTER WATCHING THE CAMPAIGN OF NOW VIRGINIA GOVERNOR GLENN YOUNGKIN, WHO BEAT OUT FORMER GOVERNOR TERRY McCAULIFFE IN 2020, IN GREAT PART THANKS TO THIS KEY DEBATE MOMENT: >> I DON'T THINK PARENTS SHOULD BE TELLING SCHOOLS WHAT THEY SHOULD TEACH.

>> Braude: ABOUT SIX MONTHS LATER, YOUNGKIN SIGNED A BILL INTO LAW THAT GIVES PARENTS THE RIGHT TO REVIEW ANY, "SEXUALLY EXPLICIT MATERIALS" BEFORE THEIR KIDS READ THEM IN SCHOOL, WHICH INCLUDES A WIDE RANGE OF MATERIAL.

AND THESE BILLS ARE JUST TWO OF MORE THAN 230 PIECES OF ANTI-L.G.B.T.Q.

LEGISLATION FILED ACROSS THE COUNTRY THIS YEAR ALONE, ACCORDING TO DATA FROM THE A.C.L.U.

BUT WHILE SOME MEMBERS OF THE G.O.P.

ARE CRUSADING FOR THESE PROPOSALS, AS "WASHINGTON POST" WHITE HOUSE REPORTER ANNIE LINSKEY WRITES: "SOME PARTY STRATEGISTS WORRY THAT THE INITIATIVES MAY BACKFIRE WITH MODERATE VOTERS."

ANNIE LINSKEY JOINS ME NOW.

BEFORE THE "POST," SHE WAS THE LEAD REPORTER ON DEMOCRATS FOR THE "BOSTON GLOBE'S" WASHINGTON BUREAU DURING THE 2016 ELECTION.

ANNIE IT'S GREAT TO SEE YOU.

THANKS FOR DOING THIS.

>> GOOD TO SEE YOU TOO.

>> Braude: SOME IN THE GOP ARE SOUL SEARCHING, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY, VOTE SEARCHING.

WHAT ARE THEY WORRYING ABOUT, THAT THIS IS TOO CRUEL, WHICH IS, WHAT ARE THEY WORRIED ABOUT?

>> IN THE OPENING SEGMENT HERE.

HOW THEIR OPINION IS LEFT OUT AFTER THE MARRIAGE EQUALITY DEBATE.

THAT ISSUE MOVED VERY QUICKLY IN THE AMERICAN PUBLIC FROM AMERICANS BEING NOT COMFORTABLE ABOUT IT, NOT KNOWING MUCH ABOUT IT, INSTEAD OF FEELING, POLLING SHOWING THAT PEOPLE BOTH REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS OVERWHELMINGLY SUPPORT MARRIAGE EQUALITY.

SO THERE ARE SOME REPUBLICAN STRATEGISTS WHO ARE LOOKING AT THIS CURRENT DEBATE THAT IS MORE FOCUSED AROUND TRANS ISSUES BUT IS -- STILL OBVIOUSLY IMPACTS GAY AND LESBIAN PARENTS AND KIDS KIDS, AND PREDICTING TO THEMSELVES, WOW, COULD THIS GO THE SAME WAY MARRIAGE WENT, THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO STAKE BACK A POSITION THAT WE'RE GOING TO VERY QUICKLY HAVE TO WALK BACK OUT OF.

SO IN THE CENTRAL GISTS IN THE MEDIUM TERM.

>> Braude: WHO CAME WITH THE NOTION THAT IF YOU SUPPORT GAY RIGHTS OR TRANS RIGHTS, YOU ARE ALL OF A SUDDEN GROOMING WHO, YOU ARE GROOMING WHO IF YOU SUPPORT THIS ACCORDING TO RON DeSANTIS?

>> THAT IS SORT OF A NEW LANGUAGE THAT IS COMING FROM THE RIGHT.

YOU KNOW, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME STRATEGIES THAT I HAVE TALKED TO WHO HAVE SAID IT IS AN EFFORT TO DIVIDE, DRIVE A WEDGE BETWEEN VARIOUS FACTIONS WITHIN THE LGBTQ LGBT COMMUNITY, THAT YOU KNOW, PROVIDES AN ABILITY FOR MORE CONSERVATIVE, YOU KNOW, GAY VOTERS, TO SORT OF SEPARATE THEMSELVES FROM THE LARGER COMMUNITY.

I'M NOT SURE IF I BELIEVE THAT.

BUT THAT'S ONE WAY THAT'S BEEN DESCRIBED TO ME.

BUT IS THERE'S A -- THERE'S VERY CLEARLY A CHAIN IN RHETORIC THAT EVEN REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN CAUGHT FLAT FOODED BY.

-- FOOTED BY.

I WAS STRUCK IN TALKING TO THE LOG CABIN REPUBLICANS.

THESE OAR GROOUBL OF REPUBLICANS WHO SUPPORT GAY RIGHTS AND THEY WERE SAYING TO ME THEY WERE UTTERLY UNPREPARED OR THE THIS CONVERSATION THIS YEAR.

THEY HAD NOT PLANNED ON RAMPING UP THEIR ANALYSIS OF STATE LEGISLATION.

BECAUSE THEY JUT EVEN -- JUST EVEN REPUBLICAN GROUPS DID NOT SEE THIS WAVE COMING.

BUT IT CERTAINLY IS COMING AND THE COUNTRY IS IN THE MIDST OF IT RIGHT NOW AND OVER THE NEXT WEEKS AND MONTHS YOU YOU ARE GOING TO SEE STATES TAKE UP VERY SIMILAR LEGISLATION.

>> Braude: OBVIOUSLY YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE POLITICAL IMPACT.

DID ANY YOU TALKED TO THINK ABOUT THE LIFE IMPACT ON THE VULNERABLE KIDS, DID ANYBODY EVEN RAISE THIS AS AN ISSUE?

>> THERE ARE SOME REPUBLICANS WHO ARE DOING THAT.

PARTICULARLY THE GOVERNOR OF UTAH, WHEN HE VETOED SOMEWHAT SIMILAR LEGISLATION IN HIS STATE, A REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR SAYING THAT LOOK, THIS IS AN ISSUE IMPACTING TO YOUR RIGHT.

THE VERY MOST VULNERABLE COMMUNITY.

BUT THIS IS A PURSUANT VIEW AMONG REPUBLICANS.

I'M ACTUALLY OUT HERE IN OHIO WORKING ON THE SENATE RACE AND REPUBLICANS HERE IN THIS STATE ARE VERY EAGER TO DISCUSS THIS ISSUE AND THEY FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY KNOW ALL ABOUT IT AND THEY'RE HURT IS NOT WITH THE KENS AND THE TRANS COMMUNITY.

THE WAY THIS IS BEING FRAMED, REPUBLICAN VOTERS ARE VERY ENERGIZED BY IT.

>> Braude: IT'S FINE TO ATTACK VULNERABLE KIDS.

IS IT OKAY TO ATTACK BIG POWERFUL INSTITUTIONS LIKE DISNEY, THAT RON DeSANTIS IS DOING?

MY ASSUMPTION THAT IS A BRIDGE TOO FAR.

NO?

>> I THINK THERE IS A DIVIDE IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, MORE TRADITIONAL REPUBLICAN WOULD SAY NO THAT THAT IS A BRIDGE TOO FAR AND THERE ARE SOME DONORS THAT I HAVE TALKED TO AND SOME REPUBLICANS WHO SAY LOOK WE DO NOT WANT TO BE SEEN SUDDENLY AS THE PARTY THAT IS AGAINST JOBS, THAT IS, YOU KNOW, GOING TO ATOM ECONOMIC GROWTH -- STALL ECONOMIC GROWTH.

THERE ARE SOME THAT SAY THAT COULD HAPPEN IN CENTRAL FLORIDA BECAUSE OF THIS DECISION.

JOBS FROM DISNEY ALREADY GOVERNOR NEWSOM FROM CALIFORNIA IS SAYING LOOK, YOU COULD SEND SOME OF YOUR JOBS OVER TO OUR STATE WHERE WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE USING THE TAX CODE AS RETRIBUTION IN CALIFORNIA THE WAY THAT IT'S BEING USED IN FLORIDA.

BUT THERE IS ALSO ANOTHER STRAIN IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY THAT IT DOES NOT HAVE THE SAME SORT OF RESPECT FOR INSTITUTIONS AND THERE'S BEEN THIS ALIENATION AMONG YOU KNOW REPUBLICAN VOTERS WHO BELIEVE LESS AND LESS IN INSTITUTIONS AND THAT IS GOVERNMENT, THAT IS EDUCATION, AND THAT IS ALSO BIG BUSINESS.

>> Braude: YOU KNOW, I'M SO GLAD YOU QUOTED RALPH REED.

I REMEMBER HIM WHEN HE WAS PROBABLY THE MOST PROMINENT CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN VOICE IN AMERICA AND NOW HE IS ONE OFMENT.

HE MADE A POINT I WAS THINKING ABOUT AS I WAS READING YOUR PIECE, EVEN IF HE SAID IT BETTER THAN I WOULD, IN YOUNGKIN WAS THE UNIFORM JUMPING OFF POINT AND PARENTS LEARN THIS IS A JUMPING OFF PRAYS FOR US, PARTICULARLY THE MOST VULNERABLE CHILDREN TALK ABOUT SCHOOL CHOICE, TALK ABOUT -- HE DIDN'T SAY THIS, I SAID IT, PUBLIC FUND ARING FOR PAROCHIAL SCHOOLS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE TARGET, AGAIN THESE KIDS, IS ANYBODY BESIDES RALPH REED THINKING THIS THAT?

>> YES, RALPH REED, A FOUNDER OF SOME VERY INFLUENTIAL GROUPS ON THE RIGHT, HE IS SPEAKING FOR QUITE A LARGE NUMBER OF OTHER REPUBLICANS, WHO WANT TO SEE THE ENERGY AND THE ORGANIZING POWER BEHIND THIS MOVEMENT TO AFFECT, WHAT THEY WOULD CALL FOR SCHOOL CHOICE, FOR CHARTER SCHOOLS, AND TO MOVE THAT ENERGY TOWARDS, FOR FUNDAMENTAL CHANGE IN THE PUBLIC EDUCATION SYSTEM.

HE IS NOT AS EAGER FOR THIS CONVERSATION TO MOVE INTO LIKE AN ANTI-- TRANS AND AN ANTI-GAY DEBATE.

THERE ARE OTHERS IN THE PARTY THAT ARE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.

BUT WHAT RALPH REED IS SAYING IS THAT LOOK, THIS IS WHERE I BELIEVE THE ENERGY SHOULD GO AND WHERE HE IS DIRECTING, A SIGNIFICANT AND A VERY INFLUENTIAL PART OF THE PARTY INTO THE DIRECTION OF SAYING LOOK, THE END GAME HERE SHOULD BE SCHOOL CHOICE.

AND, YOU KNOW, HE'S NOT SAYING THAT A DEBATE OVER GAY RIGHTS ISN'T COMING.

I THINK HE DOES SEE THAT COME BUT IN THIS INSTANCE HE THINKS THAT THE BETTER COURSE FOR THE PARTY IS TO MOVE IT TOWARDS SCHOOL CHOICE.

>> Braude: SINCE YOU ARE IN OHIO, MAKE SURE YOU SEED J.D.

VANCE AND MAKE SURE HE KNOWS I HATED THAT.

TAKE CARE.

OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS, THE BIOTECH INDUSTRY HAS BECOME A CORNERSTONE OF THE BOSTON AREA ECONOMY.

BUT ONCE AGAIN, NOT ALL OPPORTUNITIES ARE CREATED EQUAL.

AS A RECENT "BOSTON GLOBE" OP-ED POINTS OUT, "THE PERSISTENT LACK OF DIVERSITY IN STEM FIELDS POSES A PROBLEM FOR BLACK AND BROWN RESIDENTS LOOKING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THESE NEW EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES."

A PEW RESEARCH SURVEY RECENTLY FOUND THAT, NATIONALLY, BLACK AND HISPANIC EMPLOYEES MAKE UP 28% OF THE U.S.

WORKFORCE, BUT ONLY 17% OF STEM EMPLOYEES.

AND HERE IN MASSACHUSETTS, A MASS BIOTECH COUNCIL SURVEY FOUND LAST YEAR THAT WHILE BLACK AND LATINO PEOPLE MAKE UP 31% OF THE STATE POPULATION, THEY COMPRISE JUST 15% OF THE BIOPHARMA WORKFORCE.

IT'S A BIG PROBLEM THAT REQUIRES A BIG TEAM, AND EVEN BIGGER WILL TO ADDRESS IT AND JOINING ME ARE TWO OF THE CO-AUTHORS OF THAT "GLOBE" PIECE, RICHARD TAYLOR, LONGTIME DEVELOPER AND FORMER STATE SECRETARY OF TRANSPORTATION UNDER BILL WELD, NOW MANAGING DIRECTOR OF NUBIAN SQUARE LIFE SCIENCE TRAINING CENTER; AND GRETCHEN COOK ANDERSON, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF LABCENTRAL IGNITE, WHICH WORKS TO ADDRESS RACIAL AND GENDER UNDERREPRESENTATION IN THE LIFE SCIENCES.

OIT'S GREAT TO HAVE YOU HERE.

THANK YOU BOTH.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NICE TO BE HERE.

>> NICE TO BE HERE.

>> Braude: GRETCHEN LET ME START WITH YOU.

THE NUMBERS ARE BAD.

BLACK AND ATLANTA LATH INNO, LATINO.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO ARGUE THAT THEY SHOULD, I'D LIKE TO SAY IT'S AN IMPERATIVE ON INDUSTRY TO DO SO, THERE IS THE SOCIAL JUSTICE PIECE, THE NEED FOR MORE ACCESS AND OPPORTUNITY ESPECIALLY FOR FOLKS IN THE BLACK AND BROWN COMMUNITIES.

BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS IS ALSO ABOUT THE IMPERATIVE FOR INDUSTRY IN THIS STATE.

>> Braude: WELL AND ALSO ANY SURVEY I'VE EVER SEEN SAYS DIVERSITY IS GOOD FOR THE BOTTOM LINE.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> Braude: FOR THE SOUL OR MORALITY.

I'D LIKE TO STAY ON THE SECOND RICHARD AND THEN I'LL TRY TO GET ON THE POSITIVE.

FROM GBH ON BIOPHARMA DIVERSITY.

MORE THAN HALF OF THE FIRMS IN THE FIELD HAD ISSUED DIVERSITY STATEMENTS BUT LESS THAN HALF OF THAT, 24% HAD A DIVERSITY DASHBOARD.

MEANING WE'LL SAY THE RIGHT THING BUT WON'T DO ANYTHING TO TRACK IT OR ALLOW ANYBODY ELSE TO TRACK WHAT WE'RE DOING.

THAT TO ME IS NOT A VERY POSITIVE STATEMENT.

IS IT TO YOU?

>> NO, IT ISN'T.

WHAT I BELIEVE AS GRETCHEN JUST NOTED, THE DEMAND FOR THE JOBS HAS TO PUSH THEM TO LOOK WHERE THE TALENT IS.

AND THE REALITY OF BOSTON IS THE BLACK AND BROWN POPULATION SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASES AND THAT IS WHERE THE TRAINED ITALIAN IS.

HOWEVER, IT HAS TO BE A PRIORITY AS IT HAS BEEN ON THE REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT THEME.

EQUITY, DIVERSITY HAS BEEN PUSHED OUT THE LAST FIVE YEARS THROUGH THIS MASS PORT MODEL.

A SIMILAR MODEL MUST BE DEVELOPED WITH THE LIFE SCIENCES SECTOR.

>> Braude: MASS PORT MODEL MEANING TO GET A CONTRACT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN COMMITMENT IN WRITING AROUND THE DIVERSITY OF THOSE WITH WHOM YOU'RE GOING TO DO BUSINESS, RIGHT?

>> MOP ACTIVE PLAYERS.

CO-DEVELOPERS.

>> Braude: YOU'RE TOTALLY RIGHT.

>> CAPITAL INVESTORS.

SAME THING HAS TO APPLY TO THIS STWRI.

>> Braude: SO RICHARD BEYOND THAT WHO HAS TO DO WHAT TO GET US FROM HERE TO THERE, BEYOND THAT MODEL YOU'RE JUST DESCRIBING?

>> GRECH GRETCHEN AND I ARE WORKING ON A MODEL, FIRST, THERE HAS TO BE BROAD OUTREACH TO GATHER THE STEM TEACHERS AND THE YOUNG PEOPLE THAT THESE CAREERS ARE AVAILABLE TO THEM WITHOUT A PH.D.

IN CHEMICAL INDUSTRY.

AND GET YOU ON THE CAREER LAP.

NUMBER 3 THE INDUSTRY MUST INVEST IN TRAINING CENTERS SO WE CAN TRAIN AND SCALE UP THE TALENT.

>> Braude: WE HAD THE RELATIVELY NEW PRESIDENT OF BENJAMIN FRANKLIN CUMMINGS INSTITUTE AND WE TALKED ABOUT THEIR RIM WITH DEARBORN INSTEAD OF AND OBVIOUSLY FRANKLIN TECH IS MOVING TO NUBIAN SQUARE.

HOW ABOUT YOU GRETCHEN?

>> I LIKE TO SAY INDUSTRY INDUSTRY INDUSTRY.

THE ONUS ON INDUSTRY IS TO REALLY ACT HERE BUT IT IS A COORDINATED EFFORT WHICH WAS RICHARD POINT AND IT IS OUR POINT'S HERE.

IT IS ABOUT GOVERNMENT, STATE, CITY, OUR SCHOOLS, OUR TEACHERS, OUR COMMUNITY LEADERS.

IT REALLY IS A COLLECTIVE EFFORT HERE.

>> Braude: SO WHAT DOES GOVERNMENT DO?

CHARLIE BAKER WAS AT THAT GROUNDBREAKING FOR BENJAMIN FRANKLIN CUMMINGS INSTITUTE THE OTHER DAY.

WHAT DOES THE STATE HAVE TO DO GRETCHEN?

>> THERE IS A GOOD DEAL OF FUNDING.

I'D LIKE TO SAY THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF SUPPORT FROM FOLKS LIKE KEN TURNER FROM MASS LIFE SCIENCE CENTER AND OTHERS.

BUT IT IS NOT ENOUGH.

WE STILL NEED MORE FUNDING.

IN ORDER TO REALLY ON BOARD THE KIND OF TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE GOING TO BRING THE WORKFORCE, YOU KNOW, THAT THE INDUSTRY NEEDS.

>> Braude: HOW LONG OF A TURN AROUND TIME RICHARD IF A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF THE THINGS THAT BOTH OF YOU AND YOUR COLLEAGUES SAY NEED DOING WERE TO BE DONE, WHAT IS THE SOMETIME FRAME TO GET US TO THE POINT WHERE THERE IS A FAIR REPRESENTATION OF PEOPLE OF COLOR IN THESE INDUSTRIES?

>> LIKE MANY THINGS I THINK THIS IS A FIVE YEAR JOURNEY.

BECAUSE WE HAVE TO FUND TRAINING CENTERS.

WE MUST INTRODUCE THE OPPORTUNITY TO YOUNG PEOPLE, AND WE MUST SCALE UP THE TRAINING.

WE CAN START, THOUGH?

WITH BEN FRANKLIN, RCC, THE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING, THERE IS ANOTHER TRAINING CENTER BEING PLANNED IN THE PAVILION AND SEA PORT AS WELL AS THE BEAT, THE OLD GLOBE BUILDING.

THERE NEEDS TO BE MONEY INVESTED IN LAB EQUIPMENT AS WELL AS THE FACILITIES.

LARGER SCALE UP.

AND AS GINKO BIOWORKS CUMMINGS DID, THEY SIGNED AN AGREEMENT TO HIRE IN TECHNOLOGY, AND THE COMPANY WILL HIRE ALL THOSE WHO GRADUATE.

WE NEED MORE AND MORE COMPANIES STEP UP AND SAY IF YOU TRAIN THIS CURRICULUM WE WILL HIRE.

>> Braude: YOU KNOW IT'S NOT ONLY QUESTIONS OF RACE BUT GENDER THAT YOU SUGGEST.

MY READING SUGGESTS THAT THE REPRESENTATION OF WOMEN IN THESE FIELDS HAS DRAMATICALLY INCREASED IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, STILL HAS A WAY TO GO BUT STILL A DRAMATIC ENERGIES.

I ASSUME YOU AGREE.

WHY HAVE WE MADE SUCH A FORWARD ON THE GENDER FRONT?

>> HERE BUT ACROSS THE 61.

TO SUPPORT CULTIVATION OF WOMEN IN THIS INDUSTRY.

YOU KNOW, WOMEN OURSELVES WE HAVE STEPPED UP TO SAY -- TO DEMAND MORE IN THE INDUSTRY.

BOTH AT EVERY LEVEL, AT ALL ROLES, C-SUITE, BOARD LEVEL AND EVERY OTHER ROLE FROM ENTRY LEVEL ON.

BUT INDUSTRY HAS ALSO PROVIDED SUPPORT.

IN ADDITION TO FUNDING.

AND I THINK THAT THE SAME THING IS GOING TO HAVE TO HAPPEN, IF WE'RE GOING TO SEE A GROUND SWELL OF DIFFERENCE WHEN IT COMES TO RACIAL REPRESENTATION.

>> Braude: RICHARD I ONLY HAVE 30 SECONDS LEFT, VARIATION ON YOUR THEME.

BRILLIANT WORK IN THE NEW YORK TIME SAYING WHICH COMPANIES ARE WITHDRAWING FROM RUSSIA, WHICH ARE STAYING IN RUSSIA THAT KIND OF THING.

>> YES.

>> Braude: WHY DON'T YOU GUYS DO A COMPARABLE THING ABOUT FIRMS IN BIOTECH AND ESSENTIALLY URGE THE CONSUMERS, CORPORATE CONSUMERS AND OTHERS, THESE ARE THE FIRMS YOU SHOULD PATRONIZE AND DO BUSINESS WITH, AND THESE ARE ONES YOU DO NOT, BASED ON THEIR SCORECARD HERE.

YOU HAVE 15 SECTION.

>> WE CAN WORK WITH MASS BIO, GRETCHEN AND I, WHO'S IN AND WHO'S OUT IS VERY, VERY HELPFUL AND TELLS THE TALE.

>> Braude: THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING US, MUCH APPRECIATE IT.

>> James: THANK YOU.

BOSTON FOODIES HAVE KNOWN THE CULINARY MAGIC OF CHEF AND RESTAURATEUR, TIFFANI FAISON FOR MANY YEARS, WITH SWEET CHEEKS Q, FOOL'S ERRAND AND ORFANO IN THE FENWAY AREA, TIGER MAMA IS SOON TO RE-EMERGE AS SOMETHING NEW.

PLUS, HER LATEST TRIFECTA IN THE HIGH STREET PLACE FOOD HALL DOWNTOWN-- DIVE BAR, TENDERONI'S AND BUBBLE BATH.

AND NOW, A NATION OF FOODIES KNOW HER AS A CHAMPION, TOO.

AFTER HAVING JUST BEATEN OUT 31 OF AMERICA'S BEST CHEFS TO WIN GUY FIERI'S TOURNAMENT OF CHAMPIONS ON THE FOOD NETWORK.

CHECK OUT THIS GREETING BETWEEN THE TWO FINALISTS.

WATCH E-WATCH THIS.

>> GOOD TO SEE YOU.

>> GOOD TO SEE YOU, TOO.

READY TO GO DOWN?

>> READY TO GO, GOOD LUCK TO YOU >> DOWN, I SAID DOWN >> NO.

(LAUGHS) >> I'M SO TIRED OF COMING IN SECOND.

I CAN'T.

>> THE WINNER OF THE TOURNAMENT OF CHAMPIONS BETWEEN "B DUB" CHEF BROOKE WILLIAMSON AND "SWEET T" CHEF TIFFANI FAISON IS... TIFFANI FAISON.

TIFFANI FAISON WINS!

>> Braude: READY TO GO DOWN, SHE SAYS.

SHE ADDS THIS TO HER RESUME ALONGSIDE FOUR JAMES BEARD NOMINATIONS FOR BEST CHEF IN THE NORTHEAST, AND "BOSTON" MAGAZINE'S 2016 BEST CHEF AWARD, AMONG OTHERS.

TIFFANI FAISON JOINS ME NOW.

CONGRATULATIONS!

>> THANK YOU.

>> Braude: SO WHAT IS THIS 30 POUND THING THAT I'M HOLDING?

EVERYWHERE UNTIL THIS.

>> NO.

>> Braude: WHAT IS IT?

>> PICKED UP LITTLE MEDAL IN THE STREET.

>> Braude: WHAT IS IT?

>> MY TOURNAMENT OF CHAMPIONS BELT FROM THE THIRD SEASON WIN.

>> Braude: TOUGH COMPETITORS.

THEY REALLY WANTED TO WIN.

THERE WAS THAT.

AND YOU WERE BY THAT ARE THE MOST COMPETITIVE PERSON I'VE EVER SEEN IN THAT SETTING.

IS THAT A FAIR STATEMENT?

>> BROOKE IS AMAZING, TOBIAS IS AMAZING, EVERYBODY IS AMAZING.

BY THE TIME YOU GOT TO THAT POINT, AFTER 32 YOU HAVE WON IT.

>> Braude: WHO SAID GO DOWN WHO SAID THAT?

YOU DID?

>> I HAVE TO WATCH MY MOUTH.

>> Braude: YOU HAD TO DOT IN THE FINAL THING A RABBIT WITH NATTO.

WHAT IS NATTO AND AN ANTI-GRIDDLE.

WHAT IS NATT O?

>> FERMENTED JAPANESE AND ANTIGRIDDLE IS A SURFACE THAT REACHES BELOW 300°.

IT'S VERY HARD TO WORK WITH.

>> Braude: YOU WON $100,000?

WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH IT?

>> I'M SAVING TO BUY A HOUSE.

>> James: YOU NEED AN EMT WITH YOU DON'T YOU THINK, IT IS THE RICHEST FOOD, YOU EVER EAT WN THIS GUY?

>> IT'S BOLD IN YOUR FACE.

>> Braude: AND IN YOUR MOUTH.

SO IN THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS YOU HAVE THIS.

THIS IS HUGE, I KNOW YOU KNOW THAT, JAMES BEARD FINALIST FROM THE NORTHEAST, REBEL REBEL IN THE WINE CATEGORY AND YOU IN THIS THING.

THREE NEW PLACES AT HIGH STREET PLACE.

WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT IN JUST A SECOND.

BUT HOW IS BUSINESS COMING OUT OF THIS PANDEMIC?

>> SOME PLACES ARE SUCCEEDING AND SOME PLACES OAR LITTLE SLOWER TO COME BACK SO I DON'T THINK ANYONE HAS ONE CONSISTENT ANSWER TO IT.

IT'S BUSINESS AND IT'S GOODS AND SERVICES, INFLATION, PRICE OF THINGS WALKING IN THE DOOR IS SO MUCH HIGHER, HIRING HAS BEEN HARDER THAN IT EVER HAS SO IT'S A EXPENSIVE MARKET.

GOODS AND SERVICES ARE HIGH, RENT'S HIGH.

>> Braude: YOU ENJOYED THIS -- >> KNOW THE LAST TWO WEEKS, I.T.

LOOKS LIKE EIGHT WEEKS BUT IT'S TWO.

>> Braude: AND HIGH STREET PLACE.

>> HIGH STREET PLACE.

>> Braude: THE CHAMPAGNE IS THERE, BUBBLE BATH IS THE NAME OF THE JOINT.

>> YES.

>> Braude: CHAMPAGNE IS IN THE VENDING MACHINE?

>> WE HAVE THE LITTLE MOET SPLITS, YOU PUT IT IN THE VENDING MACHINE AND WALK AROUND WITH THE CHAMPAIGN.

SO CHAMPAGNE HOTDOG, POPCORN.

>> THIS IS TENDER.OIB, TENDER.ION TENDERONI WHAT IS THE DEAL?

>> I WANTED BURNT CIPs 80 PARM AROUND THE EDGES, THAT'S WHY THEY ARE TWO AND A HALF FEET LONG.

LATE '70s, EARLY '80s VIBE TO IT.

>> Braude: I APOLOGIZE, WHAT IS THIS THING?

>> THAT IS AN ANSWER TO PINEAPPLE PETE CAN PIZZA, THE ONE YOU'RE ABOUT TO PUT YOUR THOOND, BURNT PARDON ME ALLPARM AROUND IT.

IT'S CHEESE, THREE DIFFERENT TYPES OF CHEESES, TELLEGIO, PARMESAN,.

>> THIS DIVE BAR WONDERFUL, THANK YOU.

>> THE HALF NEW ENGLAND AND THE OTHER HALF IS GOING IN THE MORE SOUTHERN DIRECTION.

CLAISK NEW ENGLAND LOBSTER ROLLS AND A RICH LOBSTER THAT WE TOSS INTO THAT.

>> Braude: IT IS SO GOOD.

WHY IS IT SO GOOD?

>> THE BURNT PARM DOESN'T HURT.

WE WORKED ON THE DOUGH FOREVER AND EVER.

I WANTED IT TO BE CHEW WRITE AND SENATEY, PULL TO IT.

I WANT IT TO BE SUPERCRAVABLE.

>> Braude: HOW IS HIGH STREET DOING?

I HEARD IT'S PACKED ALL THE TIME.

>> WE WERE NERVOUS ABOUT IT.

I MADE THE DEAL THREE YEARS AGO.

WHEN WE MADE THE DEEM WAS LITERALLY WHEN WE SHUT DOWN.

AS WE KNOW IT'S BEEN CHALLENGING FOR THAT AREA OF TOWN AND I THOUGHT OH ARE PEOPLE GOING TO COME BACK, AND THEY ARE THERE AND THEY'RE POPULATING ALL OF OUR STALLS SO IT'S GREAT.

>> Braude: WHAT'S WITH YOU AND COMPETITION?

I WANT TO GET BACK TO THAT FOR A SECOND.

BUT YOU'RE RIGHT EVGRYBODY WAS COMPETITIVE.

YOU WERE LIKE HERE, THEY WERE THERE IF I DIDN'T MAKE THAT PUN ALREADY.

THIS WAS NOT THE FIRST, I'M SICK OF COMING IN SECOND, AND THAT SORT OF THING.

>> YEAH!

>> Braude: WHAT IS THE APPEAL, WHY NOT JUST HAVE GREAT RESTAURANTS?

WHAT IS THE APPEAL OF THE COMPETITION?

>> GREAT QUESTION.

I THINK I'M NATURALLY MASOCHISTIC IN A LOT OF WAYS BUT THERE IS SOMETHING ABOUT COMPETITION COOKING, I THINK WE'RE RECOGNIZING THAT COMPETITION COOKING IS A DIFFERENT CATEGORY, A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN BEING A CHEF IN A RESTAURANT.

ALL THE DISTRACTIONS ARE GONE.

IT IS YOU AND WHOEVER YOU'RE COOKING AGAINST AND THE CHALLENGE AND IT'S GO.

AND THERE IS NOTHING MORE FUN OR REWARDING OR CHALLENGING AROUND WE'RE ALL GLUTTONS FOR IT AND IT'S REALLY ADDICTIVE.

>> Braude: WAS THERE A POINT, ALL THE CATEGORIES, HALF OF THE STUFF I NEVER EVEN HEARD OF THE TERM AS THEY SAY.

WERE THERE MOMENTS IN THE COMPETITION, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THE THING AND YOU JUST DEVELOPED.

BY THE WAY, IT'S 45 TO 60 MINUTES TO PREPARE THREE DISHES WITH RABBIT.

>> 60 MINUTES, ONE INGREDIENT THREE WAYS.

SOME OF THE ROUNDS ARE 30 MINUTES.

NO, THAT'S NEVER HAPPENED.

THAT'S FEAR.

>> Braude: I BELIEVE YOU JUST CROSSED YOURSELF.

>> I DID.

TOURNAMENT OF CHAMPIONS ARE COMPETING ON BEAT THE JUDGE OR CHOPPED OR SOMETHING AND IT DOESN'T COME.

I HAVE NIGHTMARES ABOUT THAT.

IT'S NEVER HAPPENED YET.

>> Braude: THE MOST IMPORTANTLY THING IS HOW DID YOU GET THIS THING THROUGH TSA WHETHER YOU CAME BACK?

>> THEY SHIPPED IT TO ME.

>> Braude: IT WEIGHS 30 POUNDS.

>> IT'S THE REAL BELT, I STARTED SCROLLING THROUGH SOME IT'S ALL THE W WF, WWE BELTS.

THE REAL BELT.

>> Braude: RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND, YOU DO NOT PARADE AROUND YOUR HOUSE WITH THIS BELT ON.

>> I DO NOT.

>> Braude: YOU DO NOT?

YOU DON'T PARADE -- >> I MAY NOW.

>> Braude: IN ALL SERIOUSNESS THE CHAMPION OF ALL THE TOURNAMENT OF CHAMPIONS.

I CAN'T WAIT TO FINISH THIS UP.

TIFFANI, GREAT OHAVE YOU.

>> MY PLEASURE.

THAT'S IT FOR TONIGHT, BUT COME BACK TOMORROW.

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