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FROM STL TODAY.COM AND THE POST DISPATCH, ONE OF OUR FOUNDERS BILL MCCLELLAN.

SARAH FENSKE, EXECUTIVE EDITOR OF THE RIVERFRONT TIMES AND ITS SISTER PUBLICATIONS.

COLUMNIST AND NEWS EDITOR FOR YOUR ST. LOUIS AMERICAN ALVIN REID.

YO..

LISTEN TO THE RADIO ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY, PRO PALESTINIAN PROTESTERS ARE ON CAMPUSES AND THEY ARE EXPRESSING THEIR VIEWS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

AT WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY DURING ADMITTED STUDENTS WEEKEND THEY PROTESTED, 10 PEOPLE WERE ARRESTED AND THREE STUDENTS ARE SUBJECT TO EXPULSION RIGHT NOW, MAYBE SUSPENSION BY THE UNIVERSITY.

AND WHEN THE D..

HEARING WAS GOING ON, THERE WAS PROTESTERS AND THEY WERE EVACUATED FROM THE CAMPUS AND LAST YEAR IT WAS ALUMNI WEEKEND.

WHEN THE PRO PALESTINIAN PROTESTERS DECIDED TO ERECT THEIR TENTS, THEY WERE IMMEDIATELY TAKEN DOWN.

IS WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY HANDLING THIS CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE PROPERLY?

>&g.. CAN WITH IT.

IT IS A ROLE THAT NEED TO BE FILLED BY STUDENTS ACROSS AMERICA, NOT ON THE PARTICULAR PROTEST BUT TO PROTEST.

I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT.

WITH THE UNIVERSITY SAYING OKAY, WE ARE GOING TO TAKE IT TO HERE, AND THEN WE ARE GOING TO SAY STOP THIS.

YOU CAN PROTEST BUT NO ENCAMPMENTS, BUT YOU CAN PROTEST THIS LONG OR THAT LONG, AND THEN WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE SOME ACTION.

THERE'S A QUID PRO QUO T..

IT.

AT THE UNIVERS.. HAD A HUGE DEAL ABOUT KU OUT OF SOUTH AFRICA.

AND I CAME IN AS A FRESHMAN.

THE UNIVERSITY AND STUDENT PROTEST SAYS LET'S MAKE PARAMETERS THAT WE DON'T GO DOWN THESE LANES.

I THINK WASH-U IS HANDLING IT AS BEST THEY CAN.

I THINK THEY ARE BEING FAIR.

YOU CAN PICK AND CHOOSE WHAT PROTEST IS OKAY AND WHAT PROTEST ISN'T, AND ALSO HOW WE HANDLE IT.

..

ADDRESSED ANTISEMITISM THOROUGHLY IN THE UN..

THIS REPRESENTS -- ALL OF THESE PROTESTS AND WHAT ARE PERCEIVED AS ANTISEMITIC THREATS TO STUDENTS, THAT'S WHERE THIS IS DIFFERENT IN MY OPINION.

>> I DON'T THINK YOU CAN SAY THAT A PRO PALESTINIAN PROTEST IS NECESSARILY AN ANTISEMITIC ACTION.

WE.. PRESS SOME PROTESTS THAT HAVE CROSSED LINE.

I'M NOT HEARING ANYTHING OUT..

THE WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY WHERE THAT HAPPENED.

I AGREE WITH YOU, ALVIN, YOU CAN HAVE PARAMETERS, AND I RESPECT THAT WASH-U IS A PRIVATE UNIVERSITY BUT ENCAMPMENT WAS ALLOWED TO BE UP MAYBE 20 MINUTES.

IT'S PRETTY SMALL.

>> GIVE YOU 24 HOURS AND THEN YOU HAVE GOT TO GO.

>> I WISH STATE AND LOCAL LEADERS WERE AS DECISIVE AS UNIVERSITY LEADERS WERE ON THIS ISSUE.

>> YOU T.. DOWN WITHIN 20 MINUTES AND CAN'T SAY WE DON'T APPROVE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING OVER THERE?

>> THAT IS THEIR PREROGATIVE, AS THE LEADERS OF THE CAMPUS, AND THEY ARE THERE TO PROTECT THE STUDENT BODY AND THERE TO MAKE SURE THE KIDS WHO ARE PAYING ALMOST $100,000 INTUITION CAN GET TO CLASS UNMOLESTED.

>> I THINK THEY ARE LOOKING AT WHAT'S HAPPENING ALL AROUND THE COUNTRY.

COLUMBIA, YALE, AND WASH-U, WHICH IS A PRIVATE SCHOOL.

IT HAS A LOT OF JEWISH STUDENTS AND JEWISH DONORS AND THEY CAN'T TOLERATE THIS.

I THINK THEY HAVE TO BE REALISTIC AND SAY KIDS, IF YOU WANT TO PROTEST, THIS IS A TOUGH ONE TO PROTEST.

>> MAYBE SO, BUT SOME OF THE PROTESTERS ARE JEWISH THEMSELF, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY BUT CAMPUSES AROUND THE NATION.

IT SEEMS TO ME IF YOU MAKE A DONATION TO A UNIVERSITY, IT SHOULD BE A GIFT.

WITH A GIFT, YOU DON'T ASK FOR RESTRICTIONS ON POLICY, OR YOU CAN'T DICTATE THINGS.

>> BUT YOU CAN SAY I'M NOT GOING TO GIVE YOU ANYMORE GIFTS.

THESE UNIVERSITIES, THEY DON'T WANT TO FACE THAT.

>> I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WHO WERE HERE FOR THE ANTIWAR PROTEST IN THE '60s, DO WE FEEL THERE SHOULD BE THE SAME STANDARD APPLIED FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT US OUT OF VIETNAM?

DO YOU FEEL THAT WAY?

>> I WILL TELL YOU WHAT, SARAH, I DIDN'T PAY MUCH ATTENTION TO THE ANTIWAR PROTEST.

I WAS APOLITICAL.

>> YOU WERE IN VIETNAM.

>> I DIDN'T BEFORE I WENT THERE.

>> I'M HARKENING BACK TO THOSE PROTESTS WHEN I SAID NO, THIS IS NEEDED.

AMERICA .. POPULATION TO BE ACTIVE IN CAUSES AND IF THAT LEADS INTO PROTEST, AMERICA NEEDS THAT.

I KNOW THE IMPORTANCE OF WHAT WENT ON ON COLLEGE CAMPUSES.

>> WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.

>> ELIMINATING THOSE PROTESTS ON COLLEGE CAMPUSES.

I'M NOT SAYING THAT EXACTLY.

>> BUT ANTISEMITISM.

>> FIRST OF ALL, WENDY, I'M SAYING.

>> THREA.. AGAINST JEWISH STUDENTS.

>> I'M TAKING THIS ISSUE OUT OF IT.

.. A WAY, NO MATTER WHAT THE ISSUE IS, TO ALLOW SOME AND MAYBE NOT ALLOW OTHERS.

>> BECAUSE OF ..

ALONG.

SPEA.. THEIR OPINIONS, BILL MCCLELLAN.

JOSH HAWLEY SENIOR SENATOR OF MISSOURI WENT AFTER BOEING THIS WEEK.

.. BILL, BUT IT DIDN'T INCLUDE MONEY FOR ST. LOUISIANS THAT WERE VICTIMIZED BY RADIATION IN THE 1940s.

HE WAS UPSET, AND HE DECRIED THE FACT THAT SOME OF THIS MONEY WENT TO BOEING, WHICH HE CALLED A CORPORATION WHOSE AIRCRAFT ARE FALLING OUT OF THE SKIES, WHICH IS ACTUALLY WRONG.

PARTS HAVE.

LET ME.. BOEING AND YOU HEAR FROM ST. LOUIS THAT ONE OF OUR CONGRESSWOMEN CORI BUSH VOTES AGAINST AID TO ISRAEL TO BUY BOEING PRODUCTS AND NOW YOU HAVE THE SENIOR SENATOR CRITICIZING THE COMPANY.

>> A REPUBLICAN.

>> T.. BILLION DOLLARS AND HAS 16,000 JOBS HERE, WOULDN'T YOU SAY YOU KNOW WHAT, I WILL LOOK AT TENNESSEE.

>> NO, I THINK THAT WOULD BE TOO EXPENSIVE.

I DO.. CORI BUSH ARE REALLY SERIOUS PEOPLE.

CO.. JOSH HAWLEY IS JUST A POLITICIAN.

IF BOE..

GOING TO PUT UP WITH THIS AND MOVE JUST BECAUSE POLITICIANS SAY SOMETHING, IT WOULD BE TOO EXPENSIVE.

YO.. TENNESSEE HAS SOME CRAZY POLITICIANS AS WELL.

ALL OF A SUDDEN SO.. TENNESSEE WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULDN'T BE GIVING MONEY TO BOEING, AND THEN SHOULD BOEING LEAVE TENNESSEE, SO I THINK THAT THIS SOUND AND FURRY EXPRESSING NOTHING.

>> A..

TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHO JOSH HAWLEY IS?

WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU HAD A SENIOR SENATOR FROM THE STATE OF MISSOURI, A REPUBLICAN, TAKING THIS KIND OF A STANCE ON A HUGE CORPORATION AND EMPLOYER LIKE THAT.

FACT THAT HE RECEIVED A DONATION, A SMALL ONE, BUT STILL A DONATION FROM THE TEAMSTERS.

BUT IS HE GOING TO SWITCH PARTIES?

>.. >> A POPULIST.

>> I DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING IN HIS BACKGROUND.

HE'S THE SON OF A BANKER.

>> HE'S AN OPPORTUNIST.

>> HE'S VERY MUCH AGAINST ANY AID TO UKRAINE.

HE DIDN'T WANT NATO TO EXPAND.

FOR SOME REASON, HE SEEMS TO FAVOR PUTIN.

HE WAS THE ONLY SENATOR WHO DIDN'T WANT NORWAY AND SWEDEN TO COME INTO NATO.

SO THIS IS PART OF THAT.

I DON'T QUITE GET IT EITHER.

>> I THINK WE SAID THIS ON THE SHOW ONE OTHER TIME.

SOMEBODY IN CONGRESS SHOULD SEND THEM BOTH DOWN AND SAY YOU KNOW WHY THAT RADIATION THING IS NOT IN THAT BILL, BECAUSE WE DON'T LIKE IT.

IT AIN'T GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH UKRAINE, OR BOEING OR RADIATION.

>> SARAH, I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT A STORY THAT YOU JUST BROKE THIS AFTERNOON.

WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ON THIS PROGRAM FOREVER AND A DAY ABOUT WHERE TO RELOCATE HOMELESS SHELTERS IN THE CITY OF ST. LOUIS.

IT TURNS OUT PETER AND PAUL SERVICES ARE GOING TO MOVE THEIR SHELTER TO A RATHER UNUSUAL LOCATION.

>>.. LOUIS.

.. INDUSTRIAL SITE NEAR SOULARD WHERE THEY HAVE BEEN FOR A LONG TIME, CONTINUOUS OPERATING SHELTER IN SOULARD, AND THEY HAVE OUTGROWN THE CHURCH BASEMENT THAT THEY ARE IN.

THEY FOUND THE SITE, GOT THE VARIANCE THEY NEEDED FROM THE CITY.

APPARENTLY THE.. NOT DROP THE OPPOSITION.

THE NEIGHBORS WERE LIKE A TRUCKING COMPANY.

SO NOW THEY ARE HEADED TO NORTH ST. LOUIS AND SOMEWHAT IRONICALLY THEY ARE GOING TO BE KIND OF IN THE SHADOW OF THE NGA CAMPUS WHICH THE CITY HAS HOPES AND DREAMS OF GETTING BIG INVESTMENT TO THE AREA.

AND 188,000 SQUARE FOOT CAMPUS WHERE THEY HOPE TO DOUBLE HOW MANY BEDS THEY CAN OFFER TO HOUSE PEOPLE, A BIG EXPANSION FOR THEM.

THIS NEWS JUST BROKE THIS AFTERNOON THAT THEY HAD ACQUIRED THIS PROPERTY.

>>..

INTO AN INDUSTRIAL AREA NOT FAR FROM DOWNTOWN, RIGHT OFF BROADWAY.

BUT ..

IT, SARAH, I DON'T LIKE TO SEE HOMELESS SHELTERS PLOPPED INTO RESIDENTIAL AREAS.

THIS NEW ONE MIGHT NOT YET BE TOTALLY RESIDENTIAL, BUT LIKE YOU SAY, THE CITY WAS ALWAYS CLAIMING THE NGA WAS GOING TO BE TRANSFORMATIONAL AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD AROUND IT WOULD SPRING UP.

TO PUT A..

THERE, IT JUST SEEMS ODD.

>> THE RESIDENTIAL FUTURE, WILL IT HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET OFF THE GROUND?

>> I THINK IT WILL.

YOU HAVE A LOT OF THE OPEN GROUND UP THERE.

AND SO I THINK YOU HAVE GOT AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THIS WORK.

I THINK THE CITY WILL BE ALL IN ON THIS ONE.

I THINK THEY WILL HELP DRIVE AND CHIP IN FOR GAS, AND IF YOU CAN GET PEOPLE THERE.

I THINK THIS IS A SOLUTION THAT COULD WORK.

PART OF IT IS BECAUSE IT IS IN NORTH ST. LOUIS, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THINK ABOUT WE NEED TO PUT A HOMELESS SHELTER SOMEPLACE.

HO.. NGA WHERE THE OPEN LAND IS ALREADY, AND IT'S GOING TO BE TRANSFORMATIONAL AND DO THIS AND THAT.

..

ANYBODY COMING KNOWS THIS IS HERE.

>>..

I THINK THE PROPERTY HAS A BIG WALL AROUND IT.

IF THEY MAINTAIN THAT, BUT TO DO A RIGHT, LIKE RENO HAS KIND OF A CAMPUS FOR HOMELESS, IT COST THEM $17 MILLION ACCORDING TO THE WALL STREET JOURNAL AND THEY ARE PREPARED TO PUT ANOTHER 81 MILLION.

I TH..

THE SERVICES, THE PROTECTIONS, SECURITY, MAYBE EVEN THE METAL DETECTORS AND ALL OF THAT, PEOPLE SHOULD BE READY TO SPEND A LOT OF MONEY.

IF IT'S A GOOD LOCATION, THEN PEOPLE SHOULD CHIP IN TO MAKE IT WORK.

>> I AGREE.

LIKE WRIGLEY FIELD.

>> WHY NOT.

IT'S 425-ACRE SITE.

IT'S VERY DIFFERENT TO HAVE ACREAGE THIS BIG RATHER THAN BE PLOPPED IN THE MIDDLE OF SOULARD.

>> NO QUESTION WHO W.. FIRST.

..

LOT OF ST. LOUIS ALDERMEN SAYING WHY DOES IT ALWAYS HAVE TO COME TO US?

>> AS FAR AS HOMELESS, IT ISN'T ALWAYS.

>> WENDY, RIVERFRONT TIMES HAS A STORY ON THE ADOPT A HIGHWAY PROGRAM.

..

THE DOT O BIRD.

AND MO DOT IS GOING TO ENCOURAGE COMMUNITY GROUPS TO VOLUNTEER TO KIND OF PICK UP THE HIGHWAY AS OPPOSED TO PEOPLE BUYING THE SIGN AND PROMISING TO PICK UP THE LITTER FOUR TIMES A YEAR.

AND APPARENTLY A LOT OF PEOPLE ON THE SIGNS WERE NOT DOING.

>> BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE.

I KNOW FAMILIES WHO HAVE LOST CHILDREN OR ORGANIZATIONS WHO HAVE LOST MEMBERS WHO USED IT TO MEMORIALIZE MEMBERS, AND IT TURNS OUT, ACCORDING TO MO DOT AND ACCORDING TO THE RFT, IT WAS NOT IN TERMS OF RISK REWARD IN TERMS OF ANALYSIS OF IT AND THE STATE SAW AS A RESULT OF THE FAMILY OF JOHNSON IN KIRKWOOD WHO WAS PUT TO DEATH FOR KILLING A POLICE OFFICER MCENTEE, THAT HE WAS ALLOWED, BECAUSE SOME SORT OF ADMINISTRATIVE FELL THROUGH THE CRACKS, AND SO THAT WAS WHAT LEAD TO MO DOT'S ANALYSIS.

>&g.. HIS FAMILY THAT DID THAT.

>> I'M SORRY.

I APOLOGIZE.

I THINK IT WAS.

>> I THINK IF PEOPLE ARE PICKING UP THE TRASH AND GOT THE SIGN UP HERE, WAIT A MINUTE, YOU HAVE GOT TO PICK IT TOO.

>> AND I GUESS WITH MO DOT BEING SO SHORT STAFFED, I THINK, IN MANY AREAS, THIS IS A HUGE STATE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.

I THINK IN TERMS OF FOLLOWING UP TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE DO WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO DO.

>> AND THE STORY POINTED OUT THAT THE OLD DAYS WHEN TRASH WAS JUST TRASH AND IS NO LONGER THE CASE.

THE METH LABS AND DE.. >> AND I SAW A SECTIONAL SITTING NEXT TO THE HIGHWAY.

>> EMANUEL, HAS BEEN THERE A MONTH.

>>.. SET AND A BOWL OF POPCORN.

>> SPEND A LITTLE MORE MONEY ON MO DOT ON TRASH COLLECTION.

THIS YEAR IT'S MUCH BETTER THAN IT WAS.

I DOT IS GETTING ITS ACT TOGETHER, TOO.

AND HIRE THE HOMELESS, HIRE THE INCARCERATED AND ASK CORPORATIONS TO PAY MONEY FOR THE SIGNAGE TO GET THEIR NAME ON THE SIDE OF THE HIGHWAY, AND THAT MONEY GOES TO A CONTRACTOR WHICH PICKS UP THE TRASH.

>> YOU ARE SUGGESTING LIKE A CHAIN GANG, THE INCARCERATED?

>> I WOULDN'T PUT CHAINS ON THEM BUT BE BETTER TO GET OUTSIDE AND GET SUNSHINE.

YOU CAN BE IN THE ST. LOUIS COUNTY JAIL FOR FIVE YEARS AND NEVER SEE SUNSHINE.

>> SOME PEOPLE HAVE TO DO PUBLIC SERVICE.

THEN WE COULD .. FOR THE HIGHWAY, AND I REMEMBER MY FRIEND MR.

DEER WAS OUT THERE ON THE SIDE FOR A LONG TIME.

MO DOT DOES NEED HELP PICKING OUT STUFF.

>> IT WASN'T JOHN DEERE.

>> SARAH, VERY UNUSUAL STORY, AGAIN IN THE RIVERFRONT TIMES, WHICH WE ARE READING A LOT APPARENTLY.

>> BREAKING ALL THE NEWS.

>> ST. LOUIS PUBLIC RADIO HAD GENERAL MANAGER TIM EBY AND HE FEELS HE WAS SLANDERED BY THE STATION ONLINE.

SO HE'S SUING, AND NOW ATTORNEYS FOR THE STATION SAY BECAUSE THE STATION IS AFFILIATED WITH STATE GOVERNMENT, BECAUSE THE LICENSE IS OWNED BY THE UNIVERSITY OF MISSOURI THAT THEY HAVE SOVEREIGN IMMUNITY AND CAN'T BE SUED BY THE THINGS THEY SAY OR WRITE.

>>..

SHOCKED BY THIS.

I USED TO BE A FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE OF ST. LOUIS PUBLIC RADIO AND CONTINUE TO HOST A RADIO SHOW THERE ONCE A MONTH.

NOBODY TOLD ME YOU CAN GO AROUND LIABLING PEOPLE, AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT.

I TOTALLY MISSED OUT.

THEY CERTAINLY ARE NOT INSTRUCTING THEIR REPORTERS TO DO THIS.

BUT WHEN MY REPORTER..

HEARING WHEN THE ATTORNEYS FOR ST. LOUIS PUBLIC RADIO WERE ARGUING THIS, HE WAS VERY SURPRISED AND WAS ASKING FOR ATTORNEYS FROM BOTH SIDES SAYING ARE YOU SAYING THAT REPORTERS AT ST. LOUIS PUBLIC RADIO COULD CALL ANYONE A PEDOPHILE OR ANY NAME AND THE STATION COULD NOT BE SUED FOR DEFAMATION?

AND THE STATION'S LAWYER MART MARTINEAU SAID NO COMMENT.

AND HE SAID THAT'S PRECISELY THE ARGUMENT THEY ARE MAKING HERE, THAT THEY COULD NOT BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.

>> IN AN IRONI.. WAS THE GENERAL MANAGER DURING THE DON MARCH DEBACK ON.

>> YES, HE WAS.

>> AND JOE MARTINEAU DEFENDED ME IN A COUPLE OF CASES, SLANDER, IN VEGAINVASION OF PRIVACY.

HE WAS ON THE RIGHT SIDE THEN, AND I EXPECT HE'S ON THE RIGHT SIDE NOW.

>> AND YOU WERE TARDY, MADE A MOCKERY OF THE COURT.

I DON'T CARE.

AS LONG AS I GOT OFF.

UNIVERSITY OF MISSOURI AND RADIO STATION, AND THAT KIND OF THING, HAS NEVER REALLY LIKE -- IT DID NEVER FEEL RIGHT TO ME, AND MAYBE THE CASE IS POINTING OUT THAT I'M GOING TO POINT OUT THAT THIS OPENS YOURSELF UP TO ALL KINDS OF LEGAL SCRUTINY.

>> IT IS VERY STRANGE OVER THERE.

UNCOMFORTABLE SITUATION, BECAUSE WE DID TRY TO COVER THE STATE OF MISSOURI HONESTLY.

AND WE TRI.. UNIVERSITY OF MISSOURI VERY HONESTLY EVEN THOUGH WE WERE EMPLOYEES OF THE UNIVERSITY.

I WILL GIVE THIS TO THE REPORTERS OVER THERE.

THEY DO NOT TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THEIR GET OUT OF LINE FREE CARD.

SOMEBODY COULD FILE A SUNSHINE LAW REQUEST FOR E-MAILS BECAUSE OF YOUR STATE EMPLOYEES.

>> IT'S ONE THING TO HAVE A SOLELY STUDENT RUN RADIO STATION OR TELEVISION STATION.

THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS.

>> I WANT TO ASK YOU.

ALVIN ACTUALLY REPORTED LAST YEAR ON THE NUMBER OF FOOTBALL GAMES, HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL GAMES LOCALLY THAT HAD BEEN HALTED OR DELAYED BECAUSE OF FIGHTS.

TH.. GAME IN MISSOURI LAST YEAR.

AND WE HAD THE MCCLUER SOUTH TEACHERS AND WALKED OUT BECAUSE OF TOO MUCH FIGHTS, AND FIGHTS THIS SPRING THAT RESULTED IN SERIOUS INJURIES, AND IT TURNS OUT THAT THE THURTENE CARNIVAL WHICH IS RUN AT WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY BY STUDENTS WAS HALTED ON SATURDAY AND CANCELED ON SUNDAY, BECAUSE TOO MANY STUDENTS ORCHIDS, NOT WASHINGTON STUDENTS, BUT KIDS FROM THE AREA WERE FIGHTING, AND THEN THEY CLOSED ZOO EARLY, I THINK THE NEXT DAY, BECAUSE OF THE SAME THING.

>.. REALLY GETS ME, BECAUSE THE ZOO IS LIKE HALLOW GROUND IN ST. LOUIS.

I ALSO WONDER ABOUT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BEING LOCALLY RUN.

I HAVE BEEN SYMPATHETIC TO STATE CONTROL WHEN THE ETHICAL SOCIETY OF THE BLACK POLICE OFFICERS WHO SAID THEY WANT STATE CONTROL, AND THE ONE THING THAT WAS GOOD ABOUT STATE CONTROL WAS THE GOVERNOR WOULD APPOINT THESE BUSINESSMEN, AND THEY WERE MOSTLY WHITE GUYS AND MOST OF THEM DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT POLICE WORK, BUT ALL THEY WANTED TO DO WAS KEEP THE LID DOWN, AND THE THIRD DISTRICT ON THE SOUTH, THE BLOODY THIRD, THAT THEY COULD HAVE THEIR PROBLEMS AND SOME OF THE NORTH SIDE NEIGHBORHOODS THEY COULD HAVE THEIR PROBLEMS, BUT KEEP THE LID DOWN, AND THAT INCLUDED DOWNTOWN AND CERTAINLY THE ZOO.

AND THEY WOULD BE CALLING IN THE CHIEF AND SAY WE DON'T WANT ANYTHING TO HAPPEN AT THE ZOO, AND THE IDEA THAT THE ZOO HAS TO CLOSE EARLY BECAUSE OF THESE KIDS, THAT'S NOT RIGHT.

IT'S SCARY TO ME AS A CITIZEN.

>> BACK IN THE DAY, YOU WOULD NEED A CAN OPENER, AND THE LID NOW HAS THE ALUMINUM POP OFF.

AND I DON'T THINK THE STATE CAN HAVE CONTROL OVER WHAT'S GOING ON SOCIETY NOW.

THE MAYOR WAS ELECTED AND PART OF HER -- WHAT AM I BEING ASKED TO DO?

REDUCE CRIME IN THE CITY OF ST. LOUIS.

ST. LOUIS.

YOU CAN .. OR WE HAVE TOO MANY FIGHTS.

WE HAVE THIS, HAVE THAT.

I DON'T THINK THE TWO HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH EACH OTHER.

>> I DO.

AND I DON'T BLAME THE MAYOR FOR CRIME.

ENFORCEMENT AGENCY YOU CAN SAY I WANT TO STOP HERE AND I WANT TO STOP THERE.

I THINK THE MAYOR AND MEGAN GREEN, THEY HAD THEIR OWN CONSTITUENCIES, AND I LIKED THE IDEA OF THE BUSINESSMAN SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE WANT DOWNTOWN TO BE SAFE.

>>..

WALK DOWN MEMORY LANE BACK WHEN THE WHITE MEN IN THE SMOKE FILLED ROOM.

NOT ALL OF US ARE SO NOSTA.. FOR THAT AREA.

I THINK ALVIN IS RIGHT THAT IT WOULDN'T STOP THIS.

WASH-U'S CAMPUS ISN'T EVEN IN THE CITY OF ST. LOUIS.

IT DIDN'T MAKE IT TO THE ZOO.

AND PREMATURE SHOVING IT DOWN WHEN THERE WAS RUMORS.

>> AND THE KID WAS CAUGHT IN THE ZOO WITH THE GUN.

>> I THI.. KNOW, WE DO NEED THIS LOCAL CONTROL OF OUR POLICING, BECAUSE WE NEED IT TO BE RESPONSIVE TO THE COMMUNITY THAT EXISTS HERE TODAY.

TH..

TRYING TO DECIDE WHERE TO TAMP THINGS DOWN.

IT MAKES ME QUEASY.

>> I THINK JULIUS HUNTER WAS ON IT, RAYMOND SMITH WAS ON IT.

>> IT WAS MOSTLY WHITE.

THEY WERE TRYING TO CRACK DOWN ON DUIS AND HE OWNS THE RESTAURANT.

>&g..

APPOINT SOMEBODY RESPONSIBLE TO BE IN CONTROL OF THE ST. LOUIS?

DON'T FORGET, IT WILL BE THE GOVERNOR AND THE MAYOR UNDER THIS PROPOSAL.

>> I THINK IT'S THE GOVERNOR DOING MOST.

>> IN THE MIDDLE OF REDEFINING POLICE PROTECTION AND THAT KIND OF THING, WE ARE STILL SORT OF IN THE AFTER-GLOW OF THE DEFUND THE POLICE, WHICH IS STILL IMPRINTED IN THE MINDS OF A LOT OF PEOPLE.

THERE'S TH..

RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE GOVERNMENT AND THE POLICE AT THIS MOMENT.

>> NOBODY SAID DEFUND THE POLICE.

IT..

IT'S THE ERA THAT WE ARE MOVING IN.

>..

THE STAFF THAT INDICATE THAT CRIME IS DOWN.

BUT WHEN YOU HAVE 400 FEWER OFFICERS IN THE CITY, THAT MEANS THERE'S 400 FEWER GUYS RESPONDING TO THE CRIME.

>> I AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT.

>> HOW MANY BUSINESSES HAVE LEFT?

THE OTHER DAY .. YOU HAVE A VIDEO WHERE 10 PEOPLE GO THROUGH A RED LIGHT.

THAT'S 10 CRIMES.

NONE OF THEM ARE REPORTED.

>> BUT A LOT OF BUSINESSES -- CRIME COULD BE DOWN BECAUSE SO MANY BUSINESSES HAVE LEFT.

>> THE POPULATION IS DOWN AS WELL.

.. >> WITH ONLY 30 TO 40 SECONDS TO GO, JONTAY PORTER, WHO WENT TO MIZZOU, WAS GAMBLING IN THE N.B.A.

AND HE'S BEEN GIVEN A LIFETIME SUSPENSION.

IS THAT FAIR, ALVIN?

>> THAT IS FAIR.

PROFESSIONALLY YOU CANNOT BE INVOLVED.

YOU SHOULD LOSE YOUR.. MILLION DOLLARS JOB FOR A GUY THAT MADE $80,000.

HOW STUPID IS THAT?

ALSO LEAVE COLLEGE OUT OF IT.

DON'T BE ABLE TO MAKE BETS ON COLLEGE ATHLETES.

IF YOU WANT TO BET, BET ON PROS.

JONTAY PORTER COULD ALSO FACE CRIMINAL CHARGES.

>> THIS IS WHY TEAMS ARE APPROACHING STRAIGHT LEGISLATURES TO LEGALIZE GAMBLING.

>.. WE ARE OUT OF TIME FOR THIS SHOW.

LETTERS.

FOR YEAR.. EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO DIVERT TRAFFIC IN DOWNTOWN ST. LOUIS.

NOW ST. LOUIS WONDERS WHY TRAFFIC AND BUSINESS HAVE BIBYPASSED DOWNTOWN ST. LOUIS.

THANK YOU, PAT MCCANN.

REGARDING RED LIGHT CAMERAS, GERMANY HAS A NICE WAY OF SAYING IT WASN'T ME.

AND TO USE IT A SECOND TIME, YOU MUST MAINTAIN A LOG WHO WAS DRIVING YOUR CAR SO THE TICKET CAN BE GIVEN TO THE CORRECT PERSON.

THANK YOU, BRUCE SEE MOOR ..

I MOVED TO ST. LOUIS IN 1964.

I LEARNED TO LOVE IT THEN, AND I LOVE IT STILL.

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