>> BRAUDE: TONIGHT ON "GREATER BOSTON," COMING TO YOU FROM THE BOSTON PUBLIC LIBRARY, TWITTER WILL SOON BE TAKEN OVER BY SELF-DESCRIBED "FREE SPEECH ABSOLUTIST" ELON MUSK.

AND IF YOU'VE BEEN ON THE INTERNET RECENTLY, YOU PROBABLY KNOW ABSOLUTE FREE SPEECH IS NOT ALWAYS ABSOLUTELY IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST.

THE "WASHINGTON POST'S" NAOMI NIX AND DAN PRIMACK FROM AXIOS JOIN ME ON THAT, WHAT A MUSK-LED TWITTER IS LIKELY TO LOOK LIKE AND WILL DONALD TRUMP BE BACK ON IT.

THEN LATER, THE JOURNALISTS BEHIND A DEVASTATING NEW "BOSTON GLOBE" REPORT ON NEW HAMPSHIRE'S STATE-RUN JUVENILE DETENTION CENTER, WHERE MORE THAN 500 SURVIVORS SAY 150-PLUS STAFFERS BRUTALLY BEAT AND, IN MANY CASES, SEXUALLY ASSAULTED THEM OVER DECADES.

♪♪ >> BRAUDE: MONEY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO BUY HAPPINESS, BUT IF YOU'RE THE RICHEST MAN IN THE WORLD, IT CAN BUY FREE SPEECH.

OR AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT ELON MUSK IS PROMISING IN HIS PURCHASE OF TWITTER.

QUOTE: "FREE SPEECH IS THE BEDROCK OF A FUNCTIONING DEMOCRACY, AND TWITTER IS THE DIGITAL TOWN SQUARE WHERE MATTERS VITAL TO THE FUTURE OF HUMANITY ARE DEBATED."

MUSK, WHO'S ALREADY THE C.E.O.

OF TESLA AND SPACEX, SAYS HE PLANS TO TAKE THE PLATFORM PRIVATE AFTER THE $44 BILLION DOLLAR DEAL IS FINALIZED, AND "WANT[S] TO MAKE [IT] BETTER THAN EVER BY ENHANCING THE PRODUCT WITH NEW FEATURES, MAKING THE ALGORITHMS OPEN SOURCE TO INCREASE TRUST, DEFEATING THE SPAM BOTS, AND AUTHENTICATING ALL HUMANS."

SO WHAT EXACTLY DOES THAT MEAN FOR THE FUTURE OF TWITTER, FOR MUSK, FOR TRUMP, FOR THE REST OF US?

I'M JOINED BY DAN PRIMACK, BUSINESS EDITOR AT AXIOS, AND "WASHINGTON POST" SOCIAL MEDIA REPORTER NAOMI NIX.

>> Braude: NAOMI AND DAN, GREAT TO SEE YOU BOTH.

THANKS FOR BEING HERE.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Braude: NAOMI, FOR ME, AND I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE, THE ULTIMATE QUESTION IS: WHY DOES HE WANT THIS COMPANY?

YOU WRITE HE EXPRESSIONS CONCERN ABOUT AGGRESSIVE CONTENT, THREATENING FREE SPEECH.

WHEN WAS FREE SPEECH EVER A $44 BILLION ISSUE FOR ELON MUSK?

>> THAT'S A GOOD POINT BECAUSE TWITTER IS ACTUALLY NOT THE MOST FINANCIALLY, YOU KNOW -- IN THE BEST POSITION WHEN IT COMES TO OTHER FINANCIAL COMPANIES.

THE USER GROUP HAS AN EXPECTATION THAT REVENUE GROWTH THAT HAS DISAPPOINTED INVESTORS.

WHAT MUSK SAID IS HE IS INTERESTED INt,O PRESERVING THE WRITTEN SQUARE, PARTICULARLY FOR A PLATFORM THAT HAS SUCH CONSEQUENCES IN DEMOCRACIES AND IN POLITICS.

AND, YOU KNOW, HE SAW THAT BEING IN DANGER, LIKE OTHER REPUBLICANS HAVE VOICED SIMILAR CONCERNS AS WELL.

>> Braude: BUT, DAN, TO STAY ON THIS FOR A MINUTE, HE SPOKE, I GUESS, TO THIS TODAY.

HE TWEETED: "THE EXTREME ANTIBODY REACTION FROM THOSE WHO PREFER FREE SPEECH FOR ALL," I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THAT MEANS.

GETTING BACK TO HIS HISTORY, SPEAK TO EMPLOYEES AT TESLA, THEY DON'T SEE HIM AS A FREE-SPEECH KIND OF GUY WITH THE NON-DISPARAGEMENT CLAUSES.

SOMEBODY WAS TRACKING HIS PRIVATE FLIGHTS WITH A BOT.

HE TRIED TO SHUT THAT DOWN.

WHERE IS THE FREE-SPEECH HISTORY WITH THIS GUY?

>> A COUPLE OF THINGS: I WOULD SAY THERE IS -- I THINK WE CAN AGREE THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT SOMEBODY MIGHT THINK IS ALLOWED ON A SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORM AND IN A SINGULAR COMPANY.

THAT WOBWOULDTHAT WOULD BE THE DICHOTOMY HE WOULD MAKE.

THE REPUBLICANS FEEL THAT TWITTER HAS BEEN VERY HEAVY-HANDED WITH THE LOCK BUTTON, PARTICULARLY OVER THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF.

IT IS $44 BILLION BECAUSE THIS IS THE ONLY GAME IN TOWN.

IF YOU WANT TO BUY THE BOSTON RED SOX, YOU PAY WHAT THE RED SOX WANT.

THERE IS ONLY ONE TWITTER.

IF YOU WANT IT, YOU'RE GOING TO PAY FOR IT.

>> Braude: I'M STILL NOT SURE WHY HE WANTS.

NAOMI, WHAT IS LESS MODERATE CONTENT MEAN TO YOU?

WHAT IS YOUR DIAGNOSIS OF WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT?

>> THIS DEBATE ABOUT WHERE DO YOU DRAW THE LINE BETWEEN POLICING MISINFORMATION AND HATE SPEECH.

AND PARTICULARLY POLITICIANS, HIGH-PROFILE ACTIVISTS, ARE ABLE TO VOICE THEIR OPINION, AND THAT IS A TRICKY ONE, THAT BOTH Facebook AND TWITTER HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.

DO YOU REVERSE THE PERMANENT BAN ON PRESIDENT TRUMP AND LET HIM BACK ON THE PLATFORM?

>> Braude: WHAT IS YOUR ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION?

WHAT IS YOUR ANSWER, NAOMI?

>> I'M NOT GOING TO SAY MY ANSWER, BUT TWITTER TOOK THE UNUSUAL MOVE OF DEPLATFORMING A PRESIDENT FOR HIS ROLE IN ENCOURAGING THE RIOTS AT THE CAPITOL.

THEY DREW A LOT OF CRITICISM FOR THAT.

THE QUESTION IS, NOW THAT ELON HAS THE REINS OF THE COMPANY, WILL HE DECIDE TO TAKE A DIFFERENT POSITION.

>> Braude: DAN, HERE IS WHAT HE SAID YESTERDAY TO FOX NEWS, "I'M NOT GOING ON TWITTER, I'M GOING TO STAY ON TRUTH.

I HOPE ELON BUYS TWITTER BECAUSE HE WILL MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO IT, BUT I'M GOING TO STAY ON TRUTH."

HE WILL BEGIN TRUTHING OVER THE NEXT WEEK.

IN A MONTH, HE IS GOING TO SAY, I WASN'T GOING TO GO ON TWITTER, BUT MILLIONS OF PEOPLE CAME UP TO ME AND SAID, SIR, YOU HAVE TO BE ON TWITTER, SO YOU'RE GOING TO BE ON TWITTER.

BUT IS THIS PART OF THE END GAME?

THIS IS AS HIGH-PROFILE AS IT GETS.

HAS MUSK MADE UP HIS MIND AND HE IS JUST NOT SHARING THAT WITH US?

>> THAT WE DON'T KNOW.

THIS IS A DEAL THAT CAME TOGETHER IN 11 DAYS, WHETHER IT IS TWITTER OR TRUMP, AND ANY MAJOR MERGER TAKES WAY LONGER THAN THAT.

THAT'S WHEN WHY THE PRESS RELEASE CAME OUT, EVEN ON THE FINANCIAL STUFF, IT IS REALLY, REALLY BARE BONES.

AND EMPLOYEES HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT CONTENT MODERATION AND THEY QUESTIONED THEIR OWN JOBS, AND THE ANSWER WAS: ASK ELON WHEN HE GETS HERE.

THEY REALLY DON'T KNOW.

AND ONE LAST THING, ELON DID A LIVE INTERVIEW AT A TECH CONFERENCE IN VANCOUVER AND HE GOT PUSHED ON SOME OF THE CONTENT MODERATION QUESTION, AND, HONESTLY, I DON'T THINK HE HAS COMPLETELY THOUGHT THEM THROUGH.

WHEN YOU GET BEHIND THE DESK AT TWITTER, IT IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN CHIRPING AT IT FROM OUTSIDE.

>> Braude: WHEN YOU GET BEHIND THE DESK, AND THE DESK IS IN A PRIVATE COMPANY, YOU CAN DO WHATEVER THE HELL YOU WANT.

HE CAN SAY I DON'T WANT ANY INDEPENDENT CANDIDATES ON MY SITE, OR I DON'T WANT ANY PRO-CLIMATE CHANGE ACTION ON MY SITE.

NO ONE CAN STOP HIM FROM DOING IT, CAN THEY?

>> NO ONE COULD, ALTHOUGH THAT LAST PART WOULD BE ANTITHETICAL TO MUSK.

WHO WAS ABLE TO STOP THEM FROM BANNING TRUMP?

I DON'T THINK THE PUBLIC/PRIVATE CHANGE IS WHAT IT IS.

JACK DORSEY WAS BASICALLY KICKED OUT BY THE BOARD, AND ANOTHER C.E.O.

HAS BEEN PUT IN.

ELON NOW OWNS IT, AND HE GETS TO PUT IN WHOEVER HE WANTS, COME HELL OR HIGH WATER.

>> Braude: NAOMI, LEAVING TRUMP OUT FOR A MINUTE, WHETHER YOU WANT HIM TO STAND AGAIN ON TWITTER, IN FAIRNESS, WHAT IS THE PUBLIC GOOD THAT MAY COME OF THIS FOR THE AVERAGE TWITTER CONSUMER?

>> I THINK THAT REMAINS TO BE SEEN.

SO I THINK ONE AREA WE SHOULD BE WATCHING IS HOW DOES ELON DECIDE TO CHANGE THE PRODUCT ITSELF?

DOES HE IMPLEMENT AN EDIT FILE?

DOES HE INCREASE THE SUBSCRIPTION SERVICE AND CATER TO MORE ELITE AUDIENCES?

OR DOES HE CHANGE THE UNDERLYING ADVERTISING BUSINESS MODEL?

THOSE SORTS OF CHANGES WOULD AFFECT THE AVERAGE USER ON TWITTER.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE QUESTIONS AROUND, LIKE, DOES HE, YOU KNOW, CHANGE THE RULES FOR CONTENT AND POLITICAL CONTENT IN PARTICULAR?

YOU KNOW, IN A TIME WHEN WE'RE COMING UP ON MID-TERM ELECTIONS, WHEN THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF LAWMAKERS AND SEATS UP FOR GRABS, AND HOW HE CHOOSES TO DETERMINE WHO GETS TO STAY AND WHO GETS TO BE ON THE PLATFORM, YOU KNOW HAS REAL-WORLD IMPLICATIONS FOR OUR ELECTORAL SYSTEM.

>> Braude: ONE LAST THING FOR BOTH OF YOU BEFORE YOU GO, IF WE CAN STEP BACK AND PUT THIS IN SOME CONTEXT.

SHELDON WHITE HOUSESHELDON WHITEHOUSE HAS BEEN ON THE SHOW TALKING ABOUT HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO BE ON THE SEAT, AND JEFF BEZOS BUYS ONE OF THE MOST PROMINENT NEWSPAPER, AND THEN THIS.

WILL THIS THING, THE ABILITY OF AN INDIVIDUAL TO BUY SOMETHING THAT HAS AN AFFECT ON ALL OF US CAUSE ANYBODY IN POWER IN CONGRESS, FOR EXAMPLE, TO REEXAMINE ISSUES OF WEALTH AND EQUITY IN THIS COUNTRY?

OR IS THIS JUST WATER OVER THE BRIDGE?

>> I MEAN, EVEN IF YOU HAD THE KIND OF FURTHEST BILLIONAIRE TAX, ELON MUSK COULD STILL AFFORD TO BUY TWITTER.

IF YOU GO OLDER THAN WE ARE, MOST OF THE MAJOR NEWSPAPERS IN THE U.S.

WERE OWNED BY THE RICHEST MEN IN THE U.S.

IN FACT, THEY WERE OFTEN CREATED BY THESE PEOPLE TO DO THEIR POLITICAL BIDDING.

SO I'M NOT SURE THIS IS A NEW PHENOMENON.

I THINK WE'RE GETTING BACK TO AN OLD ONE.

>> Braude: HOW ABOUT YOU, NAOMI?

>> I'M NOT SURE THE ISSUE IS, YOU KNOW, DOES A BILLIONAIRE OWN A TECH COMPANY LIKE TWITTER, BUT WHICH BILLIONAIRE AND WHAT DOES HE BELIEVE IN AND WHAT VALUES DOES HE UPHOLD THAT SHOULD UNDERLINE THE COMPANY'S POSITION AND POLICIES AND PRODUCTS.

>> Braude: DAN AND NAOMI, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

DAN, TO CORRECT YOU IF I MAY, I WAS HERE WHEN THE FIRST NEWSPAPER WAS ACTUALLY CREATED.

DAN PRIMACK AND NAOMI NIX, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR THOUGHTS AND TIME.

THANKS SO MUCH.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING US.

>> THANK YOU.

FOR MORE THAN 150 YEARS, THE SUNUNU YOUTH SERVICES CENTER IN MANCHESTER, NEW HAMPSHIRE HOUSED A WIDE RANGE OF KIDS; FROM THOSE ACCUSED OF VIOLENT CRIMES TO THOSE WHO SKIPPED SCHOOL, AND EVEN SOME WHO JUST HAD NOWHERE TO GO AFTER A PARENT LOST CUSTODY OR ANOTHER LEGAL ISSUE WAS BEING WORKED OUT.

AND OVER THE YEARS, THERE WERE DRIBS AND DRABS ABOUT INCIDENTS OF MISTREATMENT THAT HAPPENED THERE.

BUT STARTING A FEW YEARS BACK, MORE THAN 500 PEOPLE HAVE COME FORWARD, ACCUSING AT LEAST 150 STAFF MEMBERS OF PHYSICAL OR SEXUAL ABUSE OVER THE PAST 60 YEARS.

AS A NEW "BOSTON GLOBE" INVESTIGATION DETAILS, "MANY WHO SPENT TIME THERE DEPICT IT AS A HOUSE OF HORRORS.

RAMPANT SEXUAL ABUSE BY STAFFERS, BEATINGS SO SEVERE THEY BROKE BONES.

RESIDENTS FORCED BY STAFF TO FIGHT EACH OTHER FOR FOOD.

SOLITARY CONFINEMENT STAYS THAT STRETCHED FOR MONTHS.

THE KIND OF VIOLENCE THAT LEAVES LASTING PSYCHOLOGICAL DAMAGE, RIPPLING THROUGH GENERATIONS."

AND WHAT'S HAPPENED SINCE CERTAINLY HASN'T HELPED IN ANY HEALING.

TO DATE, OF THE 150 PEOPLE IDENTIFIED AS PERPETRATORS, ONLY 11 HAVE BEEN CHARGED ALL OF WHOM HAVE PLED NOT GUILTY.

AND EVEN NOW, AS STATE OFFICIALS ARGUE ABOUT THE TIMELINE TO CLOSE THE FACILITY AND WHETHER TO DEMOLISH IT DOWN THE LINE, THERE ARE A SLEW OF PROMINENT PEOPLE FLAT-OUT UNWILLING TO COMMENT ON ANY OF THIS TO THE GLOBE.

AMONG THEM: FORMER DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES COMMISSIONER JEFFREY MEYERS, FORMER NEW HAMPSHIRE ATTORNEY GENERAL TURNED NEW HAMPSHIRE SUPREME COURT CHIEF JUSTICE GORDON MACDONALD, FORMER GOVERNORS JOHN LYNCH, CRAIG BENSON, JUDD GREGG AND JOHN SUNUNU, AFTER WHOSE FATHER THE CENTER IS NAMED, AND LAURIE LUTZ, WHO LED THE STATE'S CHILD WELFARE AGENCY IN THE '90S, WHO, BEFORE HANGING UP, RESPONDED TELLINGLY: I WANT NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS STORY.

I'M JOINED BY THE TWO UNDETERRED PEOPLE: THE GLOBE'S DUGAN ARNETT AND LAURA CRIMALDI.

>> Braude: LAUREN AND DUGAN, WELCOME AND CONGRATULATIONS ON A REALLY IMPORTANT PIECE.

THANKS FOR BEING HERE.

>> THANK YOU, JIM.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING US.

>> Braude: LAURA, LET ME START WITH YOU, THE SATANISM AND VIOLENCE GOES BACK TO ALMOST THE BEGINNING.

DESCRIBE TO THE PEOPLE WHAT THE SO-CALLED WATER CURE WAS THAT THE GOVERNOR WAS TALKING ABOUT ALMOST 90 YEARS AGO.

>> THE WATER CURE WAS SOMETHING THAT GIRLS DESCRIBED HAVING HAPPENED TO THEM AT THE FACILITY.

THIS IS A PRACTICE WHERE YOUNG GIRLS WHO WERE ACCUSED OF SOME SORT OF WRONG-DOING WOULD BE DISCIPLINED BY A PERSON WHO WOULD SPRAY WATER IN THEIR FACE, AT A CLOSE RANGE, AND WHEN A GIRL ATTEMPTED TO SHIELD HER FACE FROM THE FLOW OF THE WATER, THE OTHER STAFF MEMBERS WOULD HOLD ON TO HER HANDS OR HER ARMS SO SHE WOULD BE UNABLE TO SHIELD HERSELF.

AND THESE WERE DESCRIBED -- THIS KIND OF TREATMENT WAS DESCRIBED IN NEWSPAPER STORIES IN THE 1930s, AND THE GOVERNOR OF NEW HAMPSHIRE HIMSELF DESCRIBED THIS -- THAT FORM OF ABUSE FOR A REPORT THAT WAS ON THE FRONT PAGE OF THE "UNION LEADER."

>> Braude: BY THE WAY, THOSE GIRLS WERE PRIMARILY PRETTY MUCH UNDRESSED AT THE TIME OF THIS WATER BEING SPRAYED AT THEM.

AM I RIGHT ABOUT THAT?

>> YES.

>> Braude: DUGAN, FAST FORWARD TO ALMOST CURRENT TIMES, AND YOU DETAIL THE ABUSE THAT IS ALLEGED BY A WHOLE HOST OF PEOPLE THAT IS JUST CRINGE WORTHY.

START WITH McKAILA JANSI, WHAT HAPPENED TO HER?

>> MICHAELA'S STORY IS AMONG THOSE THAT WE HEARD THAT WAS PRETTY EGREGIOUS.

SHE SAYS THAT SHE WAS IMPREGNATED BY A COUNSELOR THERE WHEN SHE WAS AROUND THE AGE OF 14.

FOUND OUT SHE WAS PREGNANT THROUGH A PREGNANCY TEST THAT WAS ADMINISTERED BY THE FACILITY NURSE.

NO ONE, BESIDES THE NURSE, SHE SAID FROM THE FACILITY SEEMED PARTICULARLY INTERESTED IN SORT OF GETTING TO THE BOTTOM OF HOW SOMEONE THAT YOUNG COULD HAVE BECOME IMPREGNATED.

SHE SAYS SHE WAS TAKEN THEN, SHORTLY AFTER, BY A STAFFER TO A DOCTOR'S OFFICE LOCALLY, AND, UM, WAS BASICALLY TAKEN FOR AN ABORTION.

>> Braude: AGAIN, A YOUNG TEEN BECOMES PREGNANT IN A CLOSED FACILITY AND NO ONE SEEMS TO CARE ENOUGH TO TRY TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF WHAT HAPPENED TO HER.

LAURA, HOW ABOUT DAVID MEAN, WHOSE LAWSUIT IN 2020 SORT OF OPENED THE DOOR TO A LOT OF THIS.

WHAT HAPPENED TO DAVID?

>> DAVID MEAN'S LAWSUIT IS THE MAIN LAWSUIT AND THE ONE THAT HAS GOTTEN THE MOST ATTENTION OVER THE YEARS.

HE SAYS HE WAWS WAS SEXUALLY ABUSED WHILE HE WAS IN THE CUSTODY OF THE DEVELOPMENT CENTER, AND HE DESCRIBED BEING SEXUALLY ASSAULTED WHILE RESTRAINED.

>> Braude: AND MORE THAN ONCE, FROM WHAT I RECALL, RIGHT?

THESE ARE NOT ISOLATED INCIDENTS IN MOST OF THESE CASES.

IS THAT NOT TRUE, LAURA?

>> DAVID MEHAM AND OTHERS DESCRIBED BEING ABUSED OVER A PERIOD OF TIME DURING THEIR CONFINEMENT AT THE YOUTH DEVELOPMENT CENTER.

>> Braude: DUGAN, JUST ONE MORE: ROBERT BUDREAUX INTENTIONALLY ACTED OUT BECAUSE HE WANTED TO BE PUT IN SOLITARY CONFINEMENT.

WHY?

>> YEAH, AND THAT WASN'T SORT OF A UNIQUE EVENT THAT WE HEARD FROM SOME OF THESE VICTIMS.

HE WAS -- HE WOULD BE TAKEN TO THE EDGE OF CAMPUS IN A STAFFER'S CAR AND SEXUALLY ASSAULTED THERE.

AND SO HE -- THE WAY HE DESCRIBED IT WAS HE LEARNED PRETTY QUICKLY IF HE WAS IN SOLITARY CONFINEMENT THAT SORT OF THING COULDN'T HAPPEN.

SO THAT SOLITARY CONFINEMENT WAS BETTER THAN THE ALTERNATE.

>> Braude: SHACKLED AND IN SOLITARY CON CONFINEMENT IS BETTER.

11 PEOPLE HAVE BEEN CHARGED, BUT SHADES OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, NO HIGHER-UPS, NO BISHOPS -- THEY DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING THAT WAS GOING ON.

NOBODY ABOVE THE STAFF LEVEL HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH ANYTHING?

>> YEAH.

AND I THINK THAT ONE THING WORTH POINTING OUT HERE, IS UNLIKE SITUATIONS WHERE YOU HAVE THE CLERGY SEX ABUSE SCANDAL OR SEX ABUSE SCANDALS INVOLVING PRIVATE SCHOOLS, THIS IS A STATE GOVERNMENT-RUN AGENCY, WHERE THE GOVERNOR HAD THE AUTHORITY TO APPOINT THE SUPERVISORS, THE COMMISSIONERS IN THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES THAT RAN THE FACILITY.

AND IN THE LAST 20 YEARS OR SO, YOU'VE SEEN STATE GOVERNMENT IN NEW HAMPSHIRE INTERVENE IN CASES WHERE THERE WERE ALLEGATIONS OF SEX ABUSE IN INSTITUTIONS OUTSIDE OF GOVERNMENT, AND THAT HAPPENED WITH THE DIOCESE OF MANCHESTER IN THE EARLY 2000s, AND THEN JUST RECENTLY IN 2018, THE NEW HAMPSHIRE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE MANDATED THAT THE SCHOOL COMES TO AN AGREEMENT FOR MONITORING IN ORDER TO SETTLE CLAIMS OF LONG-STANDING SEXUAL ABUSE IN THAT INSTITUTION BY EMPLOYEES.

SO YOU'VE SEEN OVER A TIME THAT NEW HAMPSHIRE STATE GOVERNMENT HAS INTERVENED IN OUTSIDE INSTITUTIONS WHEN THEY BELIEVED THAT THEY COULD NOT BE HELD -- THOSE INSTITUTIONS COULD NOT BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE WITHOUT OUTSIDE MONITORING TO PREVENT AND KEEP CHILDREN SAFE.

AND HERE THEgt QUESTION IS: WHO IS GOING TO STEP IN, IF ANYONE, TO GET THE GOVERNMENT IN NEW HAMPSHIRE TO TAKE ACCOUNTABILITY FOR WHAT HAPPENED AT THE YOUTH DEVELOPMENT CENTER.

>> Braude: WELL, YOU KNOW, IN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, LAURA, YOU POSE AN INTERESTING ONE IN THE PIECE YOU AND DUGAN WROTE.

THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE IS ESSENTIALLY WORKING FOR BOTH SIDES IN THIS THING.

THEY'RE INVESTIGATING CLAIMS FROM SURVIVORS, AT THE SAME TIME THEY'RE DEFENDING THE STATE AGAINST CLAIMS FROM SURVIVORS.

SO HOW MUCH TRUST CAN THOSE PEOPLE HAVE IN THE A.G.'S OFFICE THERE, LAURA?

>> I THINK THAT IS GOING TO BE A VERY DIFFICULT PROPOSITION FOR THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE TO THREAD THAT NEEDLE.

BECAUSE JUST ON ITS FACE, IT DOESN'T, UM, LEND ITSELF -- >> Braude: INSPIRING CONFIDENCE.

>> IT DOESN'T INSPIRING CONFIDENCE.

AND HOW COULD YOU, AS SOMEONE COMING FORWARD TO TALK TO AN INVESTIGATOR WHO SAYS THEY ARE LOOKING INTO A CRIMINAL CASE, WONDER IF WHAT I SAY HERE, WILL YOU TELL YOUR COLLEAGUES ON THE CIVIL SIDE, AND WHAT SORT OF RAMIFICATIONS MIGHT THAT HAVE FOR ME DOWN THE ROAD?

YOU HAVE TO WONDER IF THE ASSURANCES THAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE HAS MADE, SAYING THERE ARE CRIMINAL AND CIVIL DIVISIONS, WHICH ARE TOTALLY SEPARATE, ARE GOING TO CALM THOSE FEARS AND ALLOW THOSE PEOPLE TO TELL THEIR STORIES WITHOUT CONCERN OF RECRIMINATION.

>> Braude: SPEAKING OF TELL THEIR STORIES, DUGAN, EVERY TIME IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS, EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE VERY FEW THIS WIDESPREAD AND THIS HORRIBLE THAT COME TO LIGHT, I'M REMINDED OF THE INCREDIBLE QUOTE FROM QUINTON TARENTINO, "I KNEW ENOUGH TO HAVE DONE MORE."

WHY WAS THIS ALLOWED TO GO ON FOR SO LONG.

WAS IT JUST A C.Y.A.

SORT OF THING ALL THE WAY UP THE CHAIN?

>> YEAH.

THAT'S A LITTLE BIT HARDER TO GET AT.

THERE IS -- THERE ARE MULTIPLE VICTIM OR FORM AND WERE EITHER WRITTEN OFF OR NOTHING CAME OF IT.

YOU TALK TO THEM, AND YOU ASK THEM THE SAME QUESTION, AND WHAT THEY SORT OF REPEATEDLY SAY IS THAT THERE IS NO WAY -- THERE IS NO WAY THAT THE HIGHER-UPS COULDN'T HAVE KNOWN THAT THIS WAS GOING ON.

AND, UM, WHETHER THERE IS ANY PROOF OF THAT, I THINK, IS -- THAT'S TOUGH TO DECIPHER WHO KNEW WHAT AND WHEN.

BUT ONE THING THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, PRETTY MUCH EVERYONE WE SPOKE WITH WAS ADAMANT ABOUT IS THAT IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE -- BECAUSE OF HOW RAMPID IT WAS, IT IS IMPOSSIBLE THAT THERE WEREN'T PEOPLE IN THOSE POSITIONS THAT DIDN'T KNOW THIS WAS GOING ON.

>> Braude: LAURA, YOU TWO HAVE SHOWN A PRETTY LIGHT ON THIS THING, BUT YOU QUOTE THAT SAME DAVID MEHAM SAYING "WE'RE NOT MUCH FURTHER ALONG THAN WE WERE YEARS AGO."

IS THAT A FAIR SETTLEMENT ASSESSMENT OF WHERE THIS SITUATION LIES?

>> I THINK IN ANY SITUATION WHERE YOU HAVE PROSECUTIONS ONGOING THAT DON'T SEEM TO MEASURE UP TO THE SCALE OF THE ABUSE, THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE MOST DIRECTLY IMPACTED BY THE CONDUCT AT THE YOUTH DEVELOPMENT CENTER, AND THEY'RE GOING TO NATURALLY FEEL THAT THE RESPONSE IS INADEQUATE TO WHAT THEY HAVE ENDURED.

AND, UM, I THINK THAT THERE IS SOMETHING VERY TROUBLING FOR THEM TO HAVE TO LISTEN TO A LEGISLATIVE DEBATE ABOUT THE COMPENSATION FUND THAT IS BEING DELIBERATED BY STATE LAWMAKERS AND PARSING WHETHER PEOPLE WHO WERE JUST PHYSICALLY ABUSED SHOULD BE EXCLUDED FROM THAT FUND.

SHOULD IT BE JUST BE SET ASIDE FOR THOSE WHO WERE SEXUALLY ABUSED?

IT SORT OF MISSES THE MARK SO FAR AS THAT THEY WERE PUT IN A PLACE THAT WAS NOT OF THEIR CHOOSING.

AND WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM GOES BEYOND THE PALE OF WHAT -- THE REASON THEY WERE PLACED THERE FOR.

>> Braude: DUG DUGAN ARNETT AND LAURA, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

I APPRECIATE IT.

>> OKAY.

THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

THAT'S IT FOR TONIGHT, BUT COME BACK TOMORROW.

PROPUBLICA REPORTER DAVID MCSWANE WILL JOIN ME ON HIS NEW BOOK: "PANDEMIC, INC: CHASING THE CAPITALISTS AND THIEVES WHO GOT RICH WHILE WE GOT SICK."

THAT AND MORE, TOMORROW AT 7:00.

THANKS FOR WATCHING, AND STAY SAFE.

Captioned by Media Access Group at WGBH access.wgbh.org ♪ ♪ ♪ >> HEY FOLKS, EDGAR B. HERWICK III HERE FROM GBH'S "CURIOSITY DESK," WHERE YOU ASK QUESTIONS, AND I FIND ANSWERS.

TODAY, HOW DID THIS 12-FOOT BRONZE PEAR END UP AT ONE OF DORCHESTER'S BUSIEST INTERSECTIONS?

IF THERE ARE TWO THINGS YOU CANNOT SPIT WITHOUT HITTING IN THIS TOWN, IT'S A DUNKIN' DONUTS, AND A HISTORIC STATUE.

NOW, MOST OF THEM ARE PRETTY BY THE BOOK.

PAUL REVERE ATOP HIS HORSE IN THE NORTH END.

MARTYR FOR RELIGIOUS FREEDOM, MARY DYER, SITTING CONTEMPLATIVELY OUTSIDE THE STATE HOUSE.

CELTICS COACH RED AUERBACH CHOMPING ON A CIGAR, ON A BENCH IN QUINCY MARKET.

BUT ARTIST LAURA BARING-GOULD HAD A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT KIND OF STATUE IN MIND FOR THIS SPOT IN DORCHESTER, BOSTON'S MOST DIVERSE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AN ENORMOUS PEAR.

>> DOING PUBLIC ART IS ALWAYS A TRICKY ENDEAVOR, BECAUSE, WHO'S THE PUBLIC?

WHAT'S THE PUBLIC?

>> LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I PRESENT TO YOU A SMALL, RANDOMLY SELECTED NON-STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT SAMPLE OF THE PUBLIC.

>> DO YOU HAVE A THEORY AS TO WHY THEY PUT A GIANT PEAR HERE?

>> THERE'S A BOOK CALLED "JAMES AND THE GIANT PEACH," AND THE MAYOR IN 1963, READ THE BOOK, AND DECIDED TO ONE UP IT.

>> I DON'T KNOW, IT'S DOING ITS JOB.

IT'S DOING ITS JOB.

>> I PASS BY WITH MY GRANDDAUGHTER, AND SHE HAS ASKED ME ABOUT THIS PEAR AND I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER.

I SAY, "I DON'T KNOW WHAT DOES THAT MEAN."

I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT IS THAT?

>> ARE YOU GOING TO TELL ME WHY WE HAVE IT HERE NOW?

>> PEARS WERE ONCE GROWN IN ABUNDANCE HERE, AND ONE VARIETY WAS ACTUALLY CREATED HERE, BY A GUY NAMED THADDEUS CLAPP.

NOW, HE TOOK A BARTLETT PEAR, AND CROSSED IT WITH A FLEMISH BEAUTY TO CREATE A BRAND NEW PEAR, UNIQUE TO DORCHESTER.

THE VARIETY WAS APTLY NAMED CLAPP'S FAVORITE.

>> BUT THAT'S NOT THE ONLY REASON FOR THIS ENORMOUS FRUIT.

BARING-GOULD SETTLED ON THIS PEAR IDEA AFTER MONTHS OF RESEARCH, AND COUNTLESS CONVERSATIONS WITH PEOPLE ALL AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT REVEALED A RICH AGRICULTURAL HERITAGE HERE, THAT CUTS ACROSS CULTURE, CLASS AND TIME.

>> I SEE IN THE VIETNAMESE COMMUNITIES, PEOPLE GROWING CUCUMBERS IN THEIR GARDENS.

AND THEN, AS YOU CROSS OVER THE CAPE VERDEAN COMMUNITIES, PEOPLE ARE GROWING BEANS.

>> SHE ALSO LEARNED ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S 17TH CENTURY FARMS, ITS 19TH CENTURY ORCHARDS, AND SAW TONS OF 20TH CENTURY PHOTOS OF KIDS PLAYING IN FRONT YARD FRUIT TREES.

>> AND IT COULD ALSO BE THIS UNLIKELY SYMBOL.

WHAT'S A PEAR DOING IN DORCHESTER?

WHY A PEAR?

>> AROUND THE PEAR ARE TEN SMALLER SCULPTURES, HONORING DORCHESTER'S UNIQUE HISTORY THROUGH EVERYDAY OBJECTS.

THERE'S THE THREE SISTERS CROPS: SQUASH, CORN, AND BEANS, VITAL TO THE AREA'S INDIGENOUS PEOPLE.

THERE'S DOG TAGS, HONORING LOCAL VETERANS, A TRIPLE DECKER HOUSE, AND MORE.

BUT IT IS THE PEAR THAT LOOMS LARGEST HERE.

BARING-GOULD SEES IT AS A FITTING METAPHOR FOR DORCHESTER.

A SWEET, TOUGH-SKINNED, HYBRID FRUIT, SOMETHING WHOLLY NEW, ONLY MADE POSSIBLE BY CROSS-POLLINATION.

>> THANK GOD, NOW I KNOW WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY TO MY GRANDDAUGHTER.

>> SO THERE YOU HAVE IT.

DON'T FORGET TO LIKE AND SUBSCRIBE.

AND PERHAPS MOST IMPORTANTLY, LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU ARE CURIOUS ABOUT.

BECAUSE, HEY, I MIGHT JUST LOOK INTO IT FOR YOU.

I'M EDGAR B. HERWICK III, STAY CURIOUS OUT THERE.

PRETTY GOOD, THIS IS A TASTY PEAR.

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