>> HI, EVERYBODY I'’M KRYSTAL HAYNES.

TONIGHT ON GREATER BOSTON, THE RIPPLE EFFECTS OF THE TEXAS ABORTION RULING THEY ARE HAVING ON MEDICAL PROCEDURES.

THE DOCUMENTARY PROFILING THE NEW ABOLITIONIST WORKING TO ERADICATE SEX SLAVERY IN SOUTHEAST ASIA.

WHEN A FEDERAL JUDGE IN TEXAS THROUGHOUT THE DECADES-OLD FDA APPROVAL OF THE DRUG, THE ORDER THREATENED HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF ABORTION PROCEDURES THAT HAPPENED EVERY YEAR IN THE U.S.

BUT IT ISN'’T JUST USED TO END PREGNANCIES, IT'’S FREQUENTLY PRESCRIBED TO TREAT MISCARRIAGES.

THE SUPREME COURT TEMPORARILY HALTED THE TEXAS JUDGES RULING MEANING THAT THE JUDGE SHOULD REMAIN AVAILABLE WHILE THE CASE PLAYS OUT.

BUT, IF IT IS UPHELD, THE RULING COULD DRASTICALLY CUT DOWN ON ACCESS TO ABORTIONS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

IT COULD ALSO GIVE EVERY FEDERAL JUDGE IN THE COUNTRY THE GREEN LIGHT TO TOSS OUT THE FDA APPROVAL OF OTHER MEDICATIONS AS WELL.

TO BREAK THIS DOWN AND DISCUSS, I AM HERE WITH DR. CATHERINE WRIGHT, A PROFESSOR OF OB/GYN AT BOSTON UNIVERSITY SHE ALSO SERVES AS THE ASSOCIATE DIRECTOR OF THE COMPLEX FAMILY-PLANNING FELLOWSHIP.

AND DR. LU ARLEN, A GYNECOLOGIST AT UMASS MEMORIAL CENTER AND DIRECTOR OF DIVERSITY, EQUITY AND INCLUSION.

THINK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING US.

>> -- KRYSTAL DR.

BRIGHT, I WILL START WITH YOU.

HOW SERIOUS IS THIS CONVERSATION HAPPENING IN THE COURTS?

I MEAN BY THAT IS, HOW SERIOUS IS IT TO THE WAY YOU PRACTICE MEDICINE.

DR. WHITE, I WILL START WITH YOU.

>> IT'’S SCARY ON MULTIPLE LEVELS.

IT'’S OBVIOUSLY SCARY ON THE VERY FIRST LEVEL ABOUT WHAT THIS COULD DO TO ABORTION ACCESS IN THE COUNTRY, MEDICATION ABORTION REPRESENTS MORE THAN HALF OF ALL ABORTIONS DONE IN THE UNITED STATES, SO THIS IS REALLY THREATENING, A VERY COMMON PROCEDURE THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE COME TO DEPEND ON.

BUT AS YOU SAID IN THE INTRODUCTION, IT AFFECTS PATIENTS UNDERGOING MISCARRIAGE CARE.

ONE IN THREE PEOPLE WILL HAVE A PREGNANCY LOSS.

SO A LOT OF PEOPLE EXPERIENCING SOMETHING AS DEVASTATING AS A MISCARRIAGE COULD BE AFFECTED BY THIS RULING, AND ALSO AS YOU SAID, IT'’S ANY MEDICATION THAT POSSIBLY NOW COULD COME OFF THE MARKET.

HIV TREATMENT, GENDER AFFIRMING THERAPY, VACCINES.

IF THIS SUIT IS ALLOWED TO GO THROUGH ALL THE WAY TO THE SUPREME COURT, IT FEELS LIKE THE ENTIRE FOUNDATION OF HOW WE PRACTICE IS IN JEOPARDY.

KRYSTAL: I IMAGINE THIS WAS ALSO AN EQUITY ISSUE COMPOUNDED UPON ALL OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT DR. WHITE MENTIONED.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

AS A PHYSICIAN, THE WAY I PROVIDE PATIENT CARE IS REALLY GUIDED ON MY MEDICAL TRAINING, THE MEDICAL EVIDENCE, LOTS OF RESEARCH THAT TELLS ME HOW EFFECTIVE AND HOW SAFE MEDICATIONS ARE, AND WE HAVE 20 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE ON THE SAFETY AND EFFICACY OF THE PILL.

AND IT REALLY HAS BECOME A CORNERSTONE IN THE WAY WE PROVIDE FIRST TRIMESTER ABORTION AND MISCARRIAGE MANAGEMENT.

NOT ONLY DOES IT SET A DANGEROUS PRECEDENT, WE ALL KNOW POLITICS DON'’T HAVE ANY PLACE IN THE FDA APPROVAL PROCESS.

AND IT SETS A DANGEROUS PRECEDENT FOR POLITICAL ACTION AGAINST OTHER CONTROVERSIAL FDA APPROVED MEDICATIONS.

WHETHER THAT'’S THE PARTNER MEDICATION USED, GENDER AFFIRMING HORMONE THERAPY, MEDICATION ASSISTED THERAPY OR OPIOID USE DISORDER, WE DO -- WE CAN ALREADY SEE, OVER THE LAST YEAR, HOW A PERSON'’S ABILITY TO ACCESS EVIDENCE-BASED ABORTION CARE IS LARGELY DEPENDENT ON THE ZIP CODE IN WHICH THEY LIVE.

IN CERTAIN STATES, LIKE A STATE IN WHICH I PRACTICE, MASSACHUSETTS, WE ARE ABLE TO PROVIDE THE FULL SPECTRUM OF ABORTION CARE, AND THAT'’S VERY DIFFERENT THAN OUR COLLEAGUES IN TEXAS, OUR COLLEAGUES IN OKLAHOMA, FLORIDA, ETC.

THIS IS A PROFOUND EQUITY ISSUE BECAUSE PATIENTS WHO HAVE THE MEANS WILL ALWAYS BE ABLE TO TRAVEL TO ANOTHER STATE.

THE FOLKS THAT ARE NOT ABLE TO TRAVEL TO RECEIVE THE CARE THAT THEY DESERVE AND THAT THEY NEED ARE ALWAYS GOING TO BE OUR PATIENTS FROM MORE MARGINALIZED COMMUNITY, AND THOSE ARE OUR PATIENTS WHO BLACK, BROWN, WHO ARE TRANSGENDER, PART OF THE LGBTQ COMMUNITY, AND IT REALLY SETS UP A SYSTEM THAT IS BASED ON IN EQUITY.

KRYSTAL: DR. WAY, TALK TO ME ABOUT HOW IT IS PRESCRIBED, BECAUSE I THINK A LOT OF FOLKS ASSUME IT IS SIMILAR TO THE MORNING-AFTER PILL, WHERE WOMEN GET IT PRESCRIBED AND IT'’S SORT OF A FLIPPANT TYPE OF PROCESS.

>> SURE, MIFEPRISTONE IS THE FIRST DRUG THAT'’S USED IN THE MEDICATION ABORTION PROCESS.

YOU CAN USUALLY GET IT IN A DOCTOR'’S OFFICE THOUGH THE RESTRICTIONS WERE LIFTED DURING THE PANDEMIC AND PATIENTS CAN HAVE THE MEDICATION MAILED TO THEM.

IT'’S USUALLY GIVEN AFTER A VISIT EITHER IN PERSON OR BY TELEMEDICINE WITH A PROVIDER WHO ASKED THEM A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW PREGNANT THEY ARE, WHAT THEIR MEDICAL HISTORY IS, MAKING SURE THAT THIS MEDICATION IS THE RIGHT ONE FOR THEM AND THEN THE MEDICATION IS SENT FOR PATIENTS TO USE WITH REALLY CLEAR INSTRUCTIONS AT HOME.

KRYSTAL: IN TERMS OF IT BEING USED TO TREAT MISCARRIAGES, THE ALTERNATIVE IS SURGERY OR SOMEONE POSSIBLY HAVING A LIFE-THREATENING INFECTION, IF I UNDERSTAND IT.

>> WE ARE ALL ABOUT PATIENTS HAVING AS MUCH CHOICE IN HEALTH CARE.

THIS IS ALL ABOUT PROVIDERS AND HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS FEEL.

THERE ARE PATIENTS WHO PREFER TO WAIT OUT A MISCARRIAGE AND LET IT HAPPEN NATURALLY.

FOR PATIENTS WHO DON'’T LIKE EITHER OPTION, MEDICATION IS PERFECT.

IT STARTS THE MISCARRIAGE PROCESS SO THEY CAN GET ON WITH THE PREGNANCY, THEY CAN HEAL AND GRIEVE AND POSSIBLY GET PREGNANT AGAIN.

AND WE KNOW THAT WHEN OPTIONS ARE TAKEN AWAY FROM PEOPLE, IT MAKES THEM MORE HESITANT TO SEEK MEDICAL CARE AT ALL.

THE LENGTH OF TIME IT TAKES THEM TO GET INTO A PROVIDER, CAUSING THEM UNNECESSARY COMPLICATIONS.

KRYSTAL: I AM MADCHEN, WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT EQUITY, ALREADY THE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM, THE WOMEN'’S HEALTH CARE SYSTEM SPECIFICALLY, THOSE INSTITUTIONS CAN BE INTIMIDATING, ESPECIALLY FOR PEOPLE OF COLOR, MAY BE FOLKS WHO ARE LOW INCOME, MAY BE FOLKS WHO DON'’T HAVE OPEN CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHAT WOMEN'’S HEALTH CARE LOOKS LIKE, SO I HAVE IN THIS DRUG TAKEN OUT OF THE TOOLBOX, HOW BIG A CHALLENGE CAN THAT BE IN DOCTOR'’S OFFICES?

>> IT CAN BE QUITE A CHALLENGE, LIKE DR. WHITE SAID, SO MUCH OF WHAT WE DO IN HEALTH CARE RELIES ON SUPPORTING PATIENT AUTONOMY.

ONLY A PATIENT KNOWS WHAT IT'’S LIKE TO BE IN HER SHOES AND WHAT PROCESS WILL BE THE LEAST DRAMATIC OR THE MOST HEALING FOR HER IN CHOOSING TO END A PREGNANCY, WHETHER THAT'’S ABORTION OR MISCARRIAGE.

WHEN WE THINK ABOUT COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE HISTORICALLY BEEN HARMED BY THE MEDICAL SYSTEMS, AND THAT'’S LARGELY ARE PATIENTS OF COLOR, OUR PATIENTS OF LIMITED ENGLISH PROFICIENCY, SO MUCH OF THAT HARM HAD BEEN BASED ON THE MEDICAL SYSTEM TAKING AWAY SOMEBODY'’S ABILITY TO CHOOSE WHAT IS RIGHT FOR THEM OR A LACK OF HONORING A PATIENT'’S AUTONOMY.

REMOVING THIS VERY SAFE OPTION FOR EARLY PREGNANCY TERMINATION OR MISCARRIAGE MANAGEMENT FALLS EXACTLY IN LINE WITH THAT.

IT IS REMOVING AN OPTION AND THE ABILITY FOR A PATIENT TO CHOOSE HOW TO END THEIR PREGNANCY ON THEIR OWN TERMS.

KRYSTAL: DR. WHITE, WE KNOW THAT THE BIRTH OUTCOMES FOR WOMEN IN THE UNITED STATES ARE MUCH WORSE THAN PEOPLE I IMAGINE THAT THEY ARE.

SO, HAVING THIS DEBATE, HAVING THIS DRUG POSSIBLY BEING TAKEN OUT OF THE TOOLBOX, OUT OF THE REALM OF USE, HOW WILL THAT AFFECT HEALTH OUTCOMES FOR BIRTHING PEOPLE IN THE U.S. QUAKES PREGNANCY CAN BE A GOOD TIME.

STARTING A FAMILY, GROWING YOUR FAMILY, BUT PREGNANCY IS DANGEROUS, WE DON'’T COUNSEL PATIENTS ON HOW DANGEROUS IT IS.

IGNORANCE IS BLISS AND FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT A BABY, THAT IS THE MOST DRIVING FORCE FOR THEM.

BUT WE ALL KNOW THE COMPLICATIONS IN PREGNANCY, INCLUDING DEATH ARE MAGNITUDES HIGHER THAN TERMINATING THE PREGNANCY.

NOT ONLY TO TERMINATE A PREGNANCY, BUT IF YOU FIND YOURSELF IN A POSITION OF NOT BEING ABLE TO STAY PREGNANT, ABORTION IS THE SAFEST THING YOU CAN DO FOR YOUR HEALTH.

WE HOPE THAT WHENEVER WE RESTRICT ABORTION ACCESS, THERE WILL BE PEOPLE WHO CAN'’T ACCESS IT WHO WILL THEN GO ON TO HAVE BABIES TO HAVE NEWBORNS THAT THEY WERE NOT INTENDING TO HAVE, THE WHICH IS GOING TO INCREASE BAD PREGNANCY OUTCOMES, AND IN A COUNTRY WHERE THE MATERNAL MOBILITY AND MORTALITY RATES ARE RISING EVERY YEAR, IT'’S UNCONSCIONABLE TO THINK ABOUT PEOPLE HAVING TO STAY PREGNANT WHO WOULD'’VE HAD AN OPTION OTHERWISE.

>> WHAT ARE YOU HEARING FROM BIRTHING PEOPLE OR PREGNANT PEOPLE IN YOUR PRACTICE?

>> I THINK THAT THE THING WE HEAR MOST FROM BOTH OUR PATIENTS AND OUR COLLEAGUES IS MASSIVE CONFUSION.

IT'’S REALLY HARD TO KEEP UP WITH EVERY NEW RULING, EVERY NEW HEADLINE ABOUT WHAT THE STATE OF MIFEPRISTONE IS.

IS IT ACCESSIBLE, ARE WE ALLOWED TO PRESCRIBE IT, OUR PATIENTS ALLOWED TO TAKE IT, I THINK IT'’S IMPORTANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT THAT IS THE EXACT INTENT OF THESE COURT CASES, THIS IS THE EXACT INTENT OF THESE RULINGS, TO CREATE A SITUATION IN WHICH FOLKS ARE CONFUSED, WHERE PHYSICIANS ARE AFRAID TO PROVIDE CARE, EVIDENCE-BASED AND SAFE CARE BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT SURE WITH THE LEGAL IMPLICATIONS ARE AND IT CAUSES CONFUSION TO PATIENTS AND CREATES HESITANCY IN THEM SPEAKING TO THEIR DOCTORS HONESTLY ABOUT THE CARE THAT THEY WANT IN THE CARE THAT THEY NEED.

KRYSTAL: DR. WHITE, YOU SERVE AS THE ASSOCIATE DIRECTOR OF THE COMPLEX FAMILY-PLANNING FELLOWSHIP.

WHAT ARE YOU COUNSELING JUNIOR DOCTORS UNDER YOU THAT YOU ARE HELPING GUIDE THROUGH THAT PROGRAM WHEN THEY ARE JUST LEARNING BEST PRACTICES IN THIS SPACE AND IN COUNSELING PATIENTS THROUGH THIS?

>> LIKE DR. IRELAND I FEEL REALLY LUCKY TO BE IN MASSACHUSETTS RIGHT NOW, WHOSE LEGISLATOR AND GOVERNOR HAVE FULLY GIVEN THEIR SUPPORT FOR PEOPLE'’S'’S REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH ACCESS.

SO WE HAVE MEDICAL STUDENTS AND FELLOWS COME THROUGH OUR HOSPITALS, WE GET TO TRAIN THEM ON ALL ASPECT OF COMPREHENSIVE EVIDENCE-BASED CARE BUT THEN THEY HAVE TO EVENTUALLY LOOK FOR A JOB OR A TRAINING PROGRAM SOMEWHERE ELSE.

AND WE ARE TELLING THEM THAT MASSACHUSETTS IS NOT WHAT THE REST OF THE COUNTRY IS LOOKING LIKE.

EVERY DAY THERE ARE MORE ABORTION RESTRICTIONS IN STATES.

AND TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE A SPECIALIZED SKILL SET TO BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF REALLY COMPLICATED PREGNANCIES AND BE ABLE TO PERFORM ABORTIONS FOR PEOPLE WHO NEED THEM, IT'’S REALLY MAKING THEM DECIDE, WHERE DO I WANT TO FURTHER MY TRAINING , WHERE DO I WANT TO MOVE MY FAMILY TOO BECAUSE THIS IS I WAS TRAINED TO TAKE CARE OF PATIENTS.

WHY WOULD I GO TO A PLACE WHERE I CANNOT USE THOSE SKILLS.

>> ABSOLUTELY, THAT'’S A GREAT POINT.

I'’M GOING TO ASK YOU BOTH THIS QUESTION, WHAT ARE YOU TELLING PATIENTS OR FOLKS WHO MIGHT BE WATCHING THIS SEGMENT RIGHT NOW WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE, WHAT THEY'’RE HEALTH CARE LOOKS LIKE IN THE WAKE OF THIS COMPLEX ISSUE MOVING THROUGH THE COURTS?

WHAT ARE YOU COUNSELING PATIENTS AND WHAT WOULD YOU TELL FOLKS WHO ARE WASHING THIS AND I WILL START WITH YOU.

>> IT'’S AN INTERESTING PREDICAMENT TO FIND YOURSELF TALKING TO PATIENTS AND REINFORCING THE NEED THAT THE KIND OF CARE THAT THEY SEEK IN THE KIND OF CARE THAT THEY NEED IS GOING TO BE DEPENDENT ON THE LAWS OF THE STATE IN WHICH THEY ARE.

NEVER BEFORE HAVE I EVER HAD TO DO THAT FOR PATIENTS, SO THAT IS A VERY NEW AND UNPLEASANT REALITY OF PROVIDING HEALTH CARE.

I HAVE -- IN ADDITION TO PROVIDING ABORTION CARE, I ALSO PROVIDE OBSTETRIC CARE AND I HAVE PRENATAL PATIENTS WHO ASK ME ABOUT TRAVEL AND WHEREAS OUR TRAVEL CONVERSATIONS USED TO BE FOCUSED ON BEING SAFE, NOT CATCHING COVID, NOT GETTING A BLOOD CLOT, NOW THEY ARE FOCUSED ON WHERE YOU TRAVELING -- WHERE ARE YOU TRAVELING.

IF YOU RUN INTO A PREGNANCY COMPLICATION WILL YOU BE IN A STATE THAT YOU CAN GET THE CARE YOU NEED?

AND THAT IS A VERY SOMBER CONVERSATION TO HAVE WITH THE PATIENT.

TO DR. WHITE'’S POINT ABOUT FIGURING OUT WHERE YOU ARE GOING TO PRACTICE MEDICINE, ONE OF THE HATS I WEAR IS MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE PROVIDING AS EQUITABLE CARE AS POSSIBLE.

WE KNOW VERY WELL THAT THERE IS A LACK OF UPSET YOUR CARE PROVIDERS IN RURAL AREAS.

THERE ARE SOME PARTS OF THE COUNTRY WHERE FOLKS HAVE A HARD TIME GETTING TO A NEARBY HOSPITAL FOR ANY PREGNANCY CARE WHATSOEVER, AND WE ARE ALREADY SEEING, IN THE WAY THAT MEDICAL STUDENTS ARE APPLYING TO OB/GYN RESIDENCIES, AND THE WAY RESIDENTS ARE APPLYING TO JOBS, THAT THEY ARE AVOIDING THESE STATES, STATES THAT ARE HOSTILE TO ABORTION AND REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS ARE GOING TO SEE AN EXACERBATION OF LACK OF MEDICAL PROVIDERS, LACK OF CARE PROVIDERS, AND I REALLY WORRY ABOUT THE WORSENING PREGNANCY OUTCOMES FOR FOLKS IN THOSE STATES.

KRYSTAL: AND THAT -- KRYSTAL: IN THE LAST 20 SECONDS OR SO, ANY FINAL WORDS?

DR. WHITE: THESE HEADLINES ARE SCARY AND I HAVE TO WARN PATIENTS OUT ALL THE CONFUSION IS NOT ABOUT SAFETY AND IT'’S NOT ABOUT HEALTH, IT'’S ABOUT CONTROL, THE HEALTH CARE THAT THEY ARE GETTING RIGHT NOW IS AS SAFE AS IT'’S EVER BEEN, WE ALSO KNOW EVEN THOUGH WE ARE LUCKY ENOUGH TO BE IN A STATE THAT SUPPORTS THIS ACCESS, WE ARE ONE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION AWAY FROM POTENTIALLY LOSING IT ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

SO FOR PATIENTS WHO LIKE TO THINK THAT POLITICS DON'’T AFFECT THEM, IT ACTUALLY DOES, IT AFFECTS THE CARE THEY ARE ABLE TO BE GIVEN, THE CARE THAT THEIR DAUGHTERS OR THEIR CHILDREN MAY RECEIVE, SO EVEN THOUGH THINGS LOOK GOOD RIGHT NOW AND THEY ARE AS SAFE AS EVER, THE FUTURE IS UNCERTAIN AND THAT SCARY FOR ALL OF US.

KRYSTAL: DR. WHITE, DR. IRELAND, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING US.

KRYSTAL: NEXT UP, HUMAN TRAFFICKING HAPPENS ALL OVER THE GLOBE.

ACCORDING TO THE STATE DEPARTMENT, AS MANY AS 27 MILLION PEOPLE ARE ENSLAVED AT ANY GIVEN TIME.

IN VIRTUALLY ANY GIVEN COUNTRY, INCLUDING THE UNITED STATES.

BUT SOUTHEAST ASIA IS ONE OF THE MOST TRAFFICKED REGIONS IN THE WORLD IN WOMEN AND GIRLS MAKE UP A MAJORITY OF VICTIMS, OFTEN TAKEN INTO SEX SLAVERY.

THAT'’S THE REALITY A GROUP OF DEDICATED ACTIVISTS AND ADVOCATES ARE TALKING ABOUT.

THEY ARE WORKING TO ABOLISH THIS FORM OF SLAVERY, PARTICULARLY IN TRAFFICKING HOTSPOTS LIKE CAMBODIA AND THAILAND.

>> WE WANT TO BRING HOPE AND HEALING TO THE -- THAT ARE IN THE SEX INDUSTRY.

>> THE WAYS TO OVERCOME TRAUMA IS TO TALK ABOUT IT.

>> TO SEE WHO THEY REALLY ARE AND TO SEE WHO THE BEAUTY IN THEM.

KRYSTAL: THEY CALL THEMSELVES THE NEW ABOLITIONISTS IN THEIR WORK AND THE PEOPLE THEY ARE WORKING TO FREE IS THE FOCUS OF A NEW FILM BY THE SAME NAME.

I AM JOINED BY THE FILM'’S DIRECTOR.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING WITH US.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

TELL ME -- THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

>> TELL ME HOW YOU CAME TO THIS TOPIC.

>> I MET AN ANTI-TRAFFICKER AT A PARTY IN HOLLYWOOD IN 2012 AND SHE TOLD ME SOME HORROR STORIES I SAID, HOW CAN I HELP, I WAS TEACHING ACTING AT THE TIME, I DIDN'’T THINK OF MYSELF AS A FILMMAKER, I NEVER MADE A DOCUMENTARY OR A FILM BEFORE, AND AT THAT TIME I SENT HER DIRECTORS AND PEOPLE WHO COULD CREATE FUNDRAISING MATERIALS FOR HER.

EVERYBODY NEEDED MONEY, SHE SAID TO ME, CHRISTINA, THE MONEY HAS TO GO TO THE GIRLS AND THE WOMEN, AND I REALIZE THEN, THAT'’S WHEN I GOT THE IDEA TO MAKE A DOCUMENTARY ABOUT THE SUBJECT MATTER AND IT TOOK A FEW YEARS LATER, I SOLD SOME PROP -- SOLD PROPERTY IN NEW YORK, WAS SITTING ON THE CASH AND JUST DECIDED, SLOWLY AFTER A PROCESS OF REALLY PRAYING ABOUT IT AND REALLY MEDITATING ON IT, I DECIDED TO MAKE THE DOCUMENTARY.

KRYSTAL: THE DOCUMENTARY FOLLOWS THESE TWO MINISTRIES THAT ARE WORKING IN CAMBODIA AND THAILAND.

>> FOUR.

IT WAS FOR.

KRYSTAL: EXCUSE ME, FOR.

THERE IS WORK THAT'’S HAPPENING THROUGH AN NGO ORGANIZATION THAT YOU DO NOT NAME BECAUSE THEY NEED TO BE PROTECTED.

IS THAT HOW DANGEROUS THIS WORK IS?

>> YES.

THOSE THINGS I CAN'’T SAY AND CAN SAY COMFORTABLY, BUT WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS WHILE I WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE EDIT, THERE WERE SOME PROBLEMS IN A NATIONAL SITUATION IN THE GOVERNMENT, AND ONE OF THE NGOS GOT VERY FRIGHTENED THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE BLOWBACK AND SO THAT'’S WHY THERE'’S SO MUCH PIXELATION IN THE FILM, I'’M TRYING TO PROTECT -- IT'’S VERY DIFFICULT TO MAKE A DOCUMENTARY WHERE YOU ARE TRYING ARRANGE -- RAISE AWARENESS AND EVERYONE INVOLVED WANTS TO RAISE AWARENESS, EDUCATE PEOPLE ABOUT WHAT THIS IS TO HELP STOP IT, BUT ON THE FLIPSIDE, YOU'’VE GOT THE DANGER OF GOVERNMENT IMPLICATIONS IN THE CRIMINAL ELEMENT OF IT AS WELL.

SO I CAN'’T EVEN TELL YOU HOW DIFFICULT THE PROCESS HAS BEEN FOR ME, AND JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY FEELS SAFE, BUT WE GET THE MESSAGE OUT THERE.

KRYSTAL: WHAT HAS BEEN THE DRIVING FORCE OF SOME OF THE TRAFFICKING IN THE REGIONS THAT YOU COVER SPECIFICALLY IN THIS DOCUMENTARY?

IS IT TOURISM?

I KNOW PEOPLE HEAR ABOUT THAT SOMETIMES, IT'’S IN MOVIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, IS IT A CLASS ISSUE THAT'’S HAPPENING THERE.

AND I'’M THOUGHTFUL OF THE TITLE THE NEW ABOLITIONISTS.

>> THESE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ASSAULTED BY THIS ISSUE AND HAVE GIVEN UP EVERYTHING IN THEIR LIFE TO BE OF ASSISTANCE AND HELP TO END IT.

AND WHILE I WAS STUDYING GET I KEPT LOOKING -- FIRST OF ALL, I WAS GODSMACK BY THE FACT THAT IT EXISTS IN MODERN DAY WHEN I STARTED, AND THEY ARE BASICALLY -- I FIGURED OUT THERE ARE FOUR WAYS THEY ATTACK IT.

, RESCUE, REHABILITATION, PROSECUTION AND PREVENTION.

I THINK GLOBALLY PROSECUTION IS THE AREA WHERE WE ALL ARE -- WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO, BUT I STUDIED HOW THEY KIND OF WERE ATTACKING IT AND THESE PEOPLE HAVE DEDICATED THEMSELVES TO THIS WORK.

I ALSO THINK THAT THE PEOPLE WHO ALLOWED THEMSELVES TO BE ON CAMERA, THE X VICTIMS WERE VERY BRAVE, THE LEVEL OF TRAUMA THEY'’VE EXPERIENCED IS BEYOND WHAT A LOT OF US HAVE EVEN GOTTEN NEAR EXPERIENCING, SO I FOUND THEM VERY INSPIRATIONAL AND MOVING WITH THE CUTE -- TO SEE WITH THE HUMAN SPIRIT CAN DO TO LIVE THROUGH THESE CIRCUMSTANCES AND OVERCOME.

KRYSTAL: ON THE GROUND, IS IT THAT THERE IS A TOURISM SITUATION THAT IS BUILT AROUND THIS, OR IS IT A MANUFACTURING ISSUE, IS IT A WORKER ISSUE, A CLASS ISSUE?

>> THE BOTTOM LINE IS, IN THE MOVIE ANSWERS A LOT OF THESE QUESTIONS ARE TRIES TO, THAT'’S A POINT OF IT, SO PLEASE, EVERYBODY WATCHES TO GET EDUCATED.

I TRY TO GET EVERYBODY TO GO ON THE JOURNEY I WENT ON AND TRY TO HOLD ONTO AS MUCH OF A CINEMA FEELING AS I COULD, BUT NEEDING TO EXPLAIN TO THEM WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS, ANY GROUP THAT IS AT RISK IS AT RISK, SO THERE IS A BUNCH OF -- ANY DIESEL BIRD AT NIGHT CALLS PUSHBACK, WHICH ARE, IT CAN BE POVERTY.

SHE WOULD SAY NOT EVERY POOR PERSON IS TRAFFICKED.

IT COULD BE ABUSE, BROKEN FAMILY SYSTEMS.

TRAUMA IN THE FAMILIES, A REGIONAL TRAUMA WHICH HAPPENED IN SOUTHEAST ASIA, BECAUSE THAT WAS A VERY RIFE AREA IN THE 1950'’S, 1960'’S, 1970'’S WITH THE GLOBAL CONFLICT THAT WAS GOING ON.

SIMILAR TO WHAT'’S HAPPENING IN THE MIDDLE EAST.

ONE OF THE TRAFFICKING GROUPS FEATURED IN THE FILM THEY DO WORK IN THE MIDDLE EAST NOW.

IN ONE OF THE WOMEN BELIEVES THAT ISIS IS USING HUMAN SEX TRAFFICKING AS A WAY TO FUND THEIR ACTIVITIES, WE DIDN'’T GO OFF THE POOREST, I DECIDED TO STAY IN EAST ASIA BECAUSE IF IT IS THE MOST TRAFFICKED REGION, LET ME LEARN WHY, AND WHAT IT IS BECAUSE THE EXAMPLES THERE WOULD BE VERY STARK AND VERY OBVIOUS.

AND THAT'’S WHAT I FOUND, IT'’S MORE IN THE OPEN THEN MAYBE YOU WOULD SAY IN THIS COUNTRY OR OTHER COUNTRIES WHERE IT HAS TO BE MORE HIDDEN.

IT'’S AT RISK GROUPS, BASICALLY, AT RISK FAMILIES, AT RISK CHILDREN, AND SOMETIMES THERE'’S ALL KINDS OF WAYS THEY CAN END UP BEING TRAFFIC.

THERE WAS ONE POINT THAT ONE OF THE GROUPS MADE THAT I THOUGHT WAS REALLY SMART, HE SAID THERE IS A GLOBAL CRIMINAL INDUSTRY THAT IS UP THERE WITH DRUGS AND WEAPONS, IN THE TOP THREE, THEY ARGUE OVER WHAT NUMBER PLACEMENT IT IS, IF IT'’S NUMBER TWO OR NUMBER ONE, BUT IT'’S UP THERE, USUALLY THE CRIMINAL INDUSTRIES INVOLVED IN DRUGS AND WEAPONS, NOT ALL THE TIME, BUT CAN BE TRAFFICKING WOMEN AND CHILDREN, SO IT'’S THAT PUT IT ALSO CAN BE WHAT HE CALLED FREELANCERS, WHICH, WHERE IT HAPPENS ON AN INDIVIDUAL LEVEL, AND IT'’S A WAY THAT A PERSON SURVIVES OR A FAMILY SURVIVES, OR THEY ARE TRICKED INTO IT, OR THEY ARE OBJECTED, OR THEY ARE BLACKMAILED FOR A WORK SITUATION.

SO, THAT'’S KIND OF THE LANDSCAPE, BUT I DO THINK THAT ANY AT-RISK GROUP IS GOING TO BE APPROACHED OR COULD BE APPROACHED, POSSIBLY, BECAUSE THEY ARE VULNERABLE.

THEY ARE IN A VULNERABLE CIRCUMSTANCE.

KRYSTAL: FOR FOLKS WHO HAVEN'’T SEEN THIS FILM YET, YOU TALK ABOUT TAKING THEM ON THIS JOURNEY.

AT THE END OF THAT JOURNEY, WHAT YOU HOPE PEOPLE DO.

WHAT CAN THEY DO?

BECAUSE IT'’S A LOT OF POWERFUL STORYTELLING THAT'’S HAPPENING, SO WHAT CAN A PERSON AT HOME WHO'’S TAKEN THIS JOURNEY WITH YOU, WHAT CAN THEY DO AT THE END OF THAT?

>> THERE'’S A WHAT CAN I DO PAGE, SO EVERY GROUP OR INDIVIDUAL I'’VE MET ALONG THE WAY, WE DID THE FILM FESTIVAL CIRCUIT, WE MET PEOPLE THAT DO ANTITRAFFICKING WORK, SUBSEQUENTLY I WAS ASKED TO DO -- BE A HOST ABOUT TRAFFICKING IN THE STATES.

WE MET X INTELLIGENCE OFFICERS, X TRAFFIC VICTIMS, PEOPLE WHO DEDICATED THEIR LIVES IN THE STATES TO THIS WORK, SO IF YOU GO TO THAT PAGE YOU CAN GET ALL THE INFORMATION, IT'’S WWW.

THE NEW ABOLITIONISTS DOC AS AN DOG.COM.

AND THEN IF YOU WANT TO, GOD WILLING, EVERYONE WILL WATCH, YOU GO TO THE WEARER WATCH PAGE ON OUR WEBSITE, AND PLEASE, IF PEOPLE ENJOY THE FILM, I DON'’T KNOW IF THAT'’S THE WRONG WORD TO USE, IF THEY FOUND THE FILM A VALUE IN MERIT, PLEASE RATE US ON AMAZON AND WHERE ELSE, IMDB.

GIVE US A GOOD RATING AND COULD REVIEW AND FOLLOW US ON SOCIAL MEDIA.

AND JUST GET EDUCATED.

I'’M TRYING TO MAKE IT SO THAT THE SOCIAL MEDIA FOR THE FILM, I START DROPPING INFORMATION IN GROUPS THAT I THINK THE BIGGEST THING IS TO FIND, FOR YOURSELF, WHAT YOUR PART IS TO PLAY.

I FOUND MAKING THE DOCUMENTARY, WHICH IS, AT THIS POINT, EIGHT YEARS OF MY LIFE, SELF FUNDING THIS, MY MOM CAME ON AS A PRODUCER IN THE MIDDLE OF THE EDIT AND SAVE THE PROJECT, THANK GOD.

AND I WAS ABLE TO CROSS THE FINISH LINE WHEN OTHERS WERE NOT.

SO I'’M VERY INDEBTED TO HER FOR THAT AND WILL ALWAYS BE GRATEFUL.

BUT I THINK TAKE THAT TIME YOU NEED, YOU DON'’T HAVE TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, -- ANSWER THE QUESTION RIGHT AWAY, IT TOOK ME A YEAR TO FIGURE OUT WHAT I WAS GOING TO DO, I HAD TO SIT ON IT AND FIGURE IT OUT.

MAYBE IT'’S A SMALLER PART SOMEONE PLAYS, MAYBE THEY GET INVOLVED WITH SPONSORING A FAMILY OR MAYBE HELP EDUCATE A CHILD IN AN AT-RISK FAMILY, BUT JUST DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE AND RESEARCH DIFFERENT GROUPS THAT YOU CAN HELP, AND I ALSO THINK THAT WE ALL COLLECTIVELY HAVE TO PUT PRESSURE ON GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS, POLICE LOCALLY AND ALL OVER THE WORLD TO TAKE ACTION AND REALLY BE INVOLVED IN ENDING THIS FROM THE LEGAL STANDPOINT AND GOVERNMENTAL STANDPOINT AND DOING WHAT WE CAN , WE HAVE MOVED FORWARD AND MADE SOME PROGRESS WITH THE NATIONAL HOTLINE, THERE'’S JUST WAY MORE WORK TO BE DONE.

IT'’S NOT OVER, THE FIGHT IS NOT OVER IN OUR COUNTRY AND GLOBALLY.

KRYSTAL: THAT'’S RIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

KRYSTAL: FOR MORE INFORMATION ON HOW TO WATCH THE FILM, HAD TO NEW ABOLITIONISTS DOC.COM, THAT'’S IT TONIGHT, COME BACK TOMORROW WE ARE TALKING.

CUP -- PUBLIC CONFIDENCE IN THE U.S. SUPREME COURT IS CRATERING, WOULD ADDING MORE JUSTICES HELP, ADAM REILLY AND HIS PANEL WILL DISCUSS, WHY LEGISLATORS WANT THE STATE TO PUSH FOR A FOUR-DAY WORK WEEK.

THAT AND MORE TOMORROW AT 7:00.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR WATCHING.

I'’M KRYSTAL HAYNES, GOOD NIGHT.

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