>>> A MEAT PROCESSING PLANT FITS A SMALL TOWN IN NORTHEAST OKLAHOMA AGAINST THE MUSKOGEE CREEK NATION.

>> I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY DIDN'T COME TO US BECAUSE THEY KNEW WE WERE HERE.

THEY'VE BEEN TO OUR MEETINGS.

THEY KNEW WE HAVE ORDINANCES AND REGULATIONS.

>> INSIDE THE PUSH TO GET MORE OKLAHOMA POLICE OFFICERS TRAINED TO DEAL WITH MENTAL HEALTH CALLS.

>>> DEFINITELY LESS THAN 10% OF OUR STATEWIDE FORCE HAS BEEN TRAINED IN CRISIS INTERVENTION.

>>> IT'S A SELLER'S MARKET FOR OKLAHOMA HOMEOWNERS.

BUT HOW LONG WILL IT LAST?

>> THERE HAS BEEN OVER 2 TRILLION IN CLOSED SALES IN OKLAHOMA IN THE PAST YEAR.

>> WHAT IMPACT WILL A NEW ADMINISTRATION THAT FAVORS GREEN ENERGY HAVE ON OKLAHOMA'S OIL AND GAS INDUSTRY?

>> WE HEAR A LOT OF TALK ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE COMING OUT OF WASHINGTON, D.C., AS EVERYBODY KNOWS PIPELINES ARE INFRASTRUCTURE.

>> THAT IN-DEPTH DISCUSSION PLUS THE LATEST ON THE 58th LEGISLATURE NEXT ON THE "OKLAHOMA NEWS REPORT."

>>> HELLO, AND WELCOME TO "OKLAHOMA NEWS REPORT."

I'M RICH LENZ.

WE BEGIN WITH AN IN-DEPTH LOOK AT A GROWING DISPUTE BETWEEN A SMALL TOWN IN OKMULGEE COUNTY AND THE MUSKOGEE CREEK NATION.

THE TRIBE WANTS TO BRING NEW INDUSTRY AND JOBS TO WINCHESTER, BUT MANY PEOPLE LIVING THERE ARE OPPOSED TO THAT HAPPENING.

REPORTER STEVE SHAW HAS BEEN DIGGING INTO THIS DISPUTE FOR SEVERAL WEEKS AND TRAVELED TO WINCHESTER THIS WEEK IN AN EFFORT TO GET BOTH SIDES OF THE STORY.

>> Reporter: WINCHESTER WAS INCORPORATED IN 1974.

IT SITS ON HIGHWAY 75, BETWEEN OKMULGEE AND GLENPOOL.

DUCK CREEK CASINO IS NEXT DOOR.

MUSKOGEE CREEK NATION RUNS THE CASINO.

SIX MONTHS AGO THE TRIBE HOSTED A GROUNDBREAKING, ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE CASINO, TO ANNOUNCE THEY WERE USING $10 MILLION IN PANDEMIC CARES ACT MONEY TO BUILD A 25,000 SQUARE FOOT MEAT PROCESSING FACILITY.

WHEN THEY SAW IT IN THE TULSA WORLD, THE TINY TOWN OF WINCHESTER HIT THE ROOF.

>> I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY DIDN'T COME TO US BECAUSE THEY KNEW WE WERE HERE.

THEY'VE BEEN TO OUR MEETINGS.

THEY KNEW THAT WE HAVE ORDINANCES AND REGULATIONS.

>> THE DEVIL IS ALWAYS IN THE DETAILS.

THE MORE WINCHESTER LEARNED ABOUT CREEK NATION PLANS, THE MORE ANGRY THEY GOT.

>> THEY HAVE REFUSED TO SHOW YOU PROOF OF ANY BUILDING PERMITS FROM THE STATE OR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, CORRECT?

>> STEVE, THEY REFUSED TO TALK TO ME ANYMORE.

>> DAVID PAGE HAS BEEN PRACTICING ENVIRONMENTAL LAW SINCE RONALD REAGAN WAS PRESIDENT.

16 YEARS AGO, HE FILED A FEDERAL LAWSUIT ON BEHALF OF OKLAHOMA ATTORNEY GENERAL DREW EDMONDSON AGAINST POULTRY FARMERS BECAUSE OF POLLUTION IN ILLINOIS RIVER.

HE IS ABOUT TO SERVE CREEK NATION WITH AN INTENT TO FILE A FEDERAL LAWSUIT, AS WELL.

>> THERE IS THREE THINGS ABOUT A MEAT PACKING FACILITY THAT CAN CAUSE POLLUTION HAZARDS, PUBLIC HEALTH HAZARDS.

ONE IS THE ACTUAL HOLDING PIN FOR THE ANIMALS, BECAUSE THEY'RE HELD FLOOR A WHILE AND ANIMALS DEFENSE IN A KATE AND PEE AND THEY EAT AND THERE IS FLYING AND YOU HAVE THAT PART OF IT.

>> Reporter: PAGE SAYS IN FEBRUARY THE TRIBE DIVULGED THEIR PLAN TO BUILD A LARGE LAGOON BEHIND THE FACILITY.

>> THEY WERE -- YOU USED BACTERIA IN THE WASTE WATER TO EAT THE SOLIDS AND BREAK THEM DOWN, AND THEN THEY WOULD TAKE THE LIQUID MATERIALS AND LITERALLY JUST SPRAY IT OUT WITH A SPRINKLER SYSTEM ON THE GROUND AROUND THE FACILITY.

>> PAGE SAYS THOSE SPRINKLER SPRAY TEND TO 20 FEET IN THE AIR.

>> WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THESE DISEASE RIDDEN WATERS AND SPRAY THEM UP IN THE AIR.

>> I CALLED MUSKOGEE CREEK PRESS SECRETARY JASON SALSMAN ABOUT THIS FIRST ON APRIL 14th.

HE REFERRED ME TO CREEK NATION AGRICULTURE AND NATURAL RESOURCES DIRECTOR TRENT KISSEE.

KISSY HASN'T RETURNED CALLS OR E-MAIL, NEITHER HAS TRIBE ATTORNEY KYLE HASKINS.

>> PAGE SAYS THE LAWSUIT CALLS FOR THE IMMEDIATE STOPPAGE OF WORK HERE.

>> HOW MANY ACRES OUT HERE?

>> 40.

>> AMY AND HER HUSBAND PROPERTY MIRRORS THE MEAT PACKING SITE.

SHE IS IN DECEMBER BELIEVE NOT JUST BECAUSE OF CREEK NATION'S PLANS BUT ALSO BECAUSE A TRIBUTARY CALLED EAGLE CREEK FLOWS THROUGH BOTH PROPERTIES.

>> THEY'RE NOT ONLY RIGHT NEXT TO THEM, BUT THEY'RE IN A FLOODPLAIN, AND SO I SEEN OUR CREEK FLOOD MANY TIMES.

>> IT DID IT AGAIN THIS PAST WEDNESDAY, 12 HOURS AFTER OUR INTERVIEW, AND AFTER LESS THAN AN INCH OF RAIN.

GARY AND JUDY JACKSON LIVE A MILE AWAY.

>> WE'VE HAD RAINS MAYBE SIX-INCH RAIN AND WE HAVE SEEN FLOODS THAT WOULD PROBABLY TAKE THEIR LAGOON OUT OF WHERE THAT LAGOON IS LOCATED.

SO WHEN YOU HAVE MILLIONS OF GALLONS OF PATHOGENS IN THAT WATER, AND IT'S ALL FLOWING DOWN STREAM, THERE IS TOO MANY UNKNOWNS AND TOO MANY THINGS THAT AS NEIGHBORS THAT WE'RE REALLY CONCERNED.

>> THE LAGOONS ARE IN A FLOOD ZONE.

I'VE BEEN HERE 40 YEAR, AND I'VE SEEN THAT CREEK COME OUT OF THE -- OUT OF THE BANKS AND WASH THE BRIDGE COMPLETELY AWAY AT ONE POINT.

AND IT'S IN THAT FLOOD ZONE.

SO I FEEL LIKE YOU KNOW ONE BIG HUGE RAIN AND EVERYTHING IN THE LAGOONS ARE GOING TO BE DOWN INTO OUR WATER.

>> I HAVE ALWAYS EMBRACED INDIAN CULTURE.

>> WARREN HENDERSON AND HIS WIFE VICKIE RETIRED TO THEIR 120-ACRE WINCHESTER RANCH 17 YEARS AGO.

WARREN IS A DECORATED OSBI AND OBN AGENT AND DIRECTOR.

NOW ON HIS PROPERTY 300 YARDS BEHIND HIS TRUSTED 20-FOOT DEEP BASS FISHING HOLE SITS WHAT HE SAYS WILL BE THAT CREEK NATION LAGOON.

>> YOU KNOW, THEY MADE THE STATEMENTS THEY KEPT MAKING THE STATEMENTS THEY WANTED TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS.

WELL, THAT'S WRONG.

I DON'T THINK THEY EVER WANTED TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS.

WE DON'T WANT MOONER A. I DON'T WANT A NICKEL FROM THEM.

I WANT THEM TO SHUT IT DOWN.

AND YOU DAMAGE OUR PROPERTY VALUES, YOU DAMAGE OUR WAY OF LIFE OUT HERE.

MY HORSES -- THIS IS A -- YOU TALK ABOUT SACRED BURIAL GROUND, ALL MY HORSES ARE HERE.

AND AT 74 WHAT AM I GOING TO DO?

AM I GOING TO JUST UP ROOT THE HORSES BECAUSE I'M GOING TO BE WITH THEM.

>> IN OKMULGEE COUNTY, STEVE SHAW, "THE OKLAHOMA NEWS REPORT."

>> AS WE TAPE THIS NEWSCAST STEVE'S ATTEMPT TO GET A RESPONSE FROM THE MUSKOGEE CREEK NATION HAVE BEEN UNSUCCESSFUL.

>>> IN EFFORT TO PRESERVE VITAL DOCUMENTS THE CHEROKEE NATION DECLARED A STATE OF EMERGENCY AND WILL MOVE ITS COLLECTION OF HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT ARTIFACTS OUT OF THE CENTER INTO A TEMPORARY FACILITY LOCATED NEARBY.

THE MATERIALS WHICH INCLUDE THE ORIGINAL LAND DEED SIGNED BY PRESIDENT MARTIN VAN BUREN WERE IN DANGER BECAUSE OF AGING INFRASTRUCTURE AND ENVIRONMENTAL CONTROLS IN THEIR CURRENT HOME.

THE PLAN NOW IS TO EITHER RENOVATE OR COMPLETELY REBUILD THE CHEROKEE HERITAGE CENTER.

>> THE NEWLY ESTABLISHED CHEROKEE NATIONAL RESEARCH CENTER WILL ACTUALLY PRO SECRETARY AND PRESERVE THE CHEROKEE NATION COLLECTION AND THERE IS PART OF THAT COLLECTION AND PRESERVATION WE HOPE TO ALLOW THE PUBLIC COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO COME IN AND ACTUALLY VIEW THE COLLECTION.

>> THE NEW FACILITY IS EXPECTED TO BE OPEN LATE THIS SUMMER WITHIN THE CHEROKEE SPRINGS PLAZA.

A 154-ACRE RETAIL DINING AND ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT IN TAHLEQUAH.

>>> THE JOHNSON & JOHNSON COVID-19 VACCINE IS ONCE AGAIN AVAILABLE IN OKLAHOMA.

THE STATE HEALTH DEPARTMENT ANNOUNCING IT WOULD RESUME DISTRIBUTING THE VACCINE AFTER A PAUSE RECOMMENDED BY THE CENTERS FOR DISEASE CONTROL AND THE FOOD AND DRUG ADMINISTRATION.

THE VACCINE NOW COMES WITH A WARNING THAT BLOOD CLOTS ALTHOUGH EXTREMELY RARE CAN OCCUR.

OF THE 8 MILLION DOSES OF J&J VACCINE THAT HAVE BEEN ADMINISTERED PEOPLE HAVE DEVELOPED BLOOD CLOTS IN 15 CASES.

IN THE LAST SEVEN DAYS JUST 57 OKLAHOMAMANS DIED FROM THE COVID-19 VIRUS.

STILL TOO MANY BUT CERTAINLY THE LOWEST NUMBER IN MONTHS.

HOSPITALLY.

>>> S HAVE DIPPED BELOW 200.

AND OUR ROOMING SEVEN-DAY AVERAGE OF NEW CASES HAS RISEN SLIGHTLY FROM 241 TO 251 PER DAY.

ALSO, THE NUMBER OF OKLAHOMANS WHO ARE FULLY VACCINATED IS APPROACHING 1 MILLION AS OF MIDWEEK.

IN TOTAL, MORE THAN 2.6 MILLION DOSES OF VACCINE HAVE BEEN ADMINISTERED IN OKLAHOMA.

>>> OKLAHOMA CITIES AND COUNTIES SPENT 95% OF THE $250 MILLION ALLOCATED TO THEM BY CARES ACT FUNDING.

MORE THAN HALF OF THE ELIGIBLE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THE FEDERAL MONEY DISTRIBUTED THROUGH THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE.

THE LARGEST SINGLE AMOUNT OF CARES ACT FUNDING WENT TO TULSA WITH $30.9 MILLION.

AND THE SMALLEST AMOUNT WENT TO BY KNOWN IN A, JUST $20.83.

277 CITIES AND COUNTIES DID NOT MAKE A CLAIM TO THE FEDERAL FUNDING.

>>> PRESIDENT BIDEN'S FIRST ADDRESS TO A JOINT SESSION OF CONGRESS ON WEDNESDAY WAS ATTENDED BY ABOUT 200 SOCIALLY DISTANCED LAWMAKERS.

SEVERAL REPUBLICANS CHOOSING NOT TO ATTEND IN PERSON.

IN HIS SPEECH, THE PRESIDENT OUTLINED A NEARLY $2 TRILLION SPENDING PLAN THAT WOULD PAY FOR CHILD CARE AND EARLY EDUCATION, PROVIDE FREE HIGHER EDUCATION, AS WELL AS PAID FAMILY AND MEDICAL LEAVE PROGRAM.

THE PRESIDENT SAID HE WOULD PAY FOR THE PLAN BY RAISING THE VARIETY OF TAXES ON WEALTHIER AMERICANS AND CORPORATIONS.

OKLAHOMA CONGRESSWOMAN TOM COLE WAS ONE OF THE REPUBLICANS WHO ESCORTED THE PRESIDENT INTO THE CHAMBER AND WATCHED THE SPEECH IN PERSON.

AND HE HAD THIS REACTION AFTERWARDS.

>> I'M REALLY WORRIED WITH THE PROPOSALS THAT I THINK INFLATION IS RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER.

WE'RE ALREADY SEEING IT IN GASOLINE PRICES, AND IN HEATING AND COOLING PRICES.

YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IT IN SUPERMARKET.

YOU CAN'T PUMP THIS MUCH MONEY INTO THE ECONOMY AND NOT THINK IT HAS A IMPACT.

AND THEN IF THE PRESIDENT WERE TO GET ALL THE TAX INCREASES THAT HE IS ASKING FOR, I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY DEBILITATING BOTH IN THE STOCK MARKET AND THE BUSINESS.

>> COLE DOES GIVE THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION CREDIT FOR THEIR SUCCESS IN GETTING MILLIONS OF AMERICANS VACCINATED.

>>> IF YOU'RE TRYING TO BUY A HOME IN OKLAHOMA DON'T EXPECT TO DO TOO MUCH HAGGLING OVER PRICE.

SELLERS ARE GETTING WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR AND SOMETIMES MORE.

WHAT'S CAUSING THE REAL ESTATE MARKET AND HOW LONG CAN IT LAST?

JASON DOYLE HAS OUR REPORT.

>> THIS IS A HEAT MAP HE CREATED TO SHOW YOU WHERE THE MOST AMOUNT OF ACTIVITY IS IN THE COUNTY.

>> OVER THE LAST YEAR, THE OKLAHOMA COUNTY ASSESSORS OFFICER SEEN A DRAMATIC RISE IN HOME SELLING ACTIVITY AND PRICES.

>> WHAT USED TO BE A STANDARD HOME FOR SOMEONE TO BE GETTING INTO THE MARKET OF PURCHASING A HOME WOULD BE ANYWHERE BETWEEN 150 TO $175,000.

AND WE'VE SEEN THAT INCREASE OVER TIME AND NOW IT APPEARS THAT THE EN20 LEVEL HOME FOR PEOPLE IN OKLAHOMA COUNTY IS ABOUT $200,000.

>> THOSE INCREASING PROPERTY VALUES AREN'T JUST CONTAINED TO CENTRAL OKLAHOMA.

THE ENTIRE STATE IS EXPERIENCING AN UPTICK IN HOME SALES AND PRICES.

>> I WILL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW THAT BROKEN BOW AREA IN SOUTHEAST OKLAHOMA IS A HOTBED FOR PEOPLE AROUND THIS REGION TO BUY HOUSES THERE.

>> OKLAHOMA HAS BECOME WHAT THEY CALL A SELLER'S MARKET FOR HOMES.

>> OVER $2 TRILLION IN CLOSED SALES IN OKLAHOMA IN THE PAST YEAR.

>> SINCE MARCH OF 2020, MORE THAN $2.6 TRILLION HAVE EXCHANGED HANDS FOR HOME PURCHASES IN OKLAHOMA.

THAT'S A NEARLY 32% INCREASE.

THAT RISING DEMAND HAS PUSHED HOME PRICES UP OVER THE SAME PERIOD OF TIME.

THE AVERAGE HOME SALE HAS INCREASED BY NEARLY $35,000.

>> WE DO A VERY HOT MARKET RIGHT NOW.

THE AVERAGE DAYS ON MARKET IS VERY, VERY LITTLE, AND THERE IS ONLY 1.9 MONTHS OF INVENTORY.

SO NOT ONLY ARE SALES HAPPENING VERY, VERY QUICKLY, WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE INVENTORY THAT CAN KEEP UP.

>> PAUL KIRBAS LEARNED EXACTLY HOW HOT OKLAHOMA AS REAL ESTATE MARKET IS WHEN THEY LISTED THEIR HOME.

>> IT WENT ON THE MARKET ABOUT 10:00 ON ONE DAY, AND BY 5:00 THAT SAME DAY WE HAD AN OFFER THAT IS NOW BECOMING THE BUYER, AND SO WHAT WE THOUGHT WOULD GO ON FOR QUITE A WHILE REALLY JUST WENT ON FOR A COUPLE HOURS.

>> KIRBAS WAS EXPECTING MORE TIME TO PREPARE.

>> AMAZED AND FEELING LIKE THIS ISN'T WHAT WE WERE EXPECTING.

WE DIDN'T EVEN BEGIN TO MOVE OUT OF THE HOUSER HAD NO PLAN TO MOVE OUT OF THE OUT, SO WE WEREN'T READY TO HEAR THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO BE COMPLETELY MOVED OUT IN 30 DAYS.

>> REALTOR KARA BORBAS HAS SEEN THE SAME DEMAND FROM HER POINT OF VIEW.

>> SO THE BUYER WANTED THE HOUSE SO BAD THEY SAID WE WILL PAY YOUR CLOSING COSTS AND WE'LL PAY FOR OUR REALTOR TO BE INVOLVED.

AND THE CERTAINLY TOOK IT.

>> SOME OF HER CLIENTS WHO JUST SOLD A HOME ARE HAVING A TOUGH TIME FINDING ANOTHER ONE TO PURCHASE.

>> NOW WE'RE NOTICING A LOT OF MY CLIENTS HAVING TO BE PUT IN TEMPORARY HOUSING TO GET THEM INTO THEIR HOUSE, BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING AVAILABLE.

>> DESPITE THE HOT MARKET, BORBAS ISN'T AFRAID OF A NEW REAL ESTATE BUBBLE LIKE THE ONE WHICH CREATED THE FINANCIAL CRISIS A FEW YEARS AGO.

>> WE DON'T ANY OF THAT SUB PRIME LENDING WE HAD WHEN WE HAD OUR LAST BOOM IN 2005 OR SIX.

SO THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE ACTUALLY VERY QUALIFIED.

>> RATE ARE EXTREMELY LOW, AND YOU KNOW, WITH THE LACK OF INVENTORY WHICH IS THE BIGGEST PROBLEM THAT MOST CONSUMERS AND REAL ESTATE AGENTS WOULD LET YOU KNOW IS PREVALENT IN THEIR WORLD, WE'RE STILL MOVING PROPERTIES LEFT AND RIGHT, AND WE ARE BEATING 2020 NUMBERS.

>> SO FAR THERE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ANY COOLING OFF.

>> THE OVERALL MARKET JANUARY AND FEBRUARY IS UP 24% COMPARED TO 2020.

>> I DON'T SEE -- THINK YOU'RE GOING DO SEE A DRAMATIC DROP IN THE DEMAND FOR PROPERTIES, BECAUSE PEOPLE STILL SEE REAL ESTATE AS A GREAT PLACE TO INVEST AND THEY WANT TO DO THAT.

>> THE MARKET MAY BE GOOD FOR SELLERS, BUYERS MUST BE READY TO TAKE ACTION QUICKLY.

BORBAS HAD A CLIENT TAKE A DAY OFF JUST TO BE ABLE TO JUMP ON A DEAL AS SOON AS IT HIT THE MARKET.

>> A LOT OF NEW LISTINGS COME ON THURSDAY FOR THE WEEKEND, OKAY.

HE TOOK IT OFF AND I HAD SOMEBODY FROM MY OFFICE WATCHING AS THEY ENTERED ON THE MLS, AND SAID THIS ONE FITS THE BILL, TAKE A LOOK AT IT.

SO WE COULD BE THE FIRST ONES IN THE DOOR TO GET THAT HOUSE.

>> THIS KIND OF MARKET SHOULD BE GOOD FOR NEW HOME SALES.

HOWEVER, THOSE HOMES ARE COSTING MORE BECAUSE OF HIGHER PRICES FOR CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS.

>> SELLERS ARE GETTING THE TOP DOLLAR FOR THEIR HOUSES, AND THE BUYERS ARE PAYING MORE FOR IT BECAUSE THE INVENTORY ISN'T THERE.

THAT SHOULD SIGNAL WE NEED HOME BUILDERS TO BUILD HOMES BUT WITH THE RISING COST OF BUILDING SUPPLIES THAT PREVENTS ANOTHER PROBLEM THAT WE'RE HAVING TO FACE.

>> THE FACTORS ARE GIVING EXISTING HOME SELLERS A DISTINCT ADVANTAGE IN OKLAHOMA MARKETPLACE.

>> IT'S A SELLER'S MARKET IN THE THAT SENSE, AND PRICES ARE BEING VERY COMPETITIVE NOW FOR SURE.

>> THE MARKET IS NOT THE SAME IN A YEAR.

I CAN LITERALLY MAKE SOMEBODY MONEY WHO JUST BOUGHT A HOUSE A YEAR AGO.

>> JASON DOYLE, "OKLAHOMA NEWS REPORT."

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>>> THERE ARE 13,000 LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS IN OKLAHOMA, AND LESS THAN 10% OF THEM HAVE RECEIVED CRISIS INTERVENTION TRAINING.

REPORTER WHITNEY BRYEN WITH OUR CONTENT PARTNERS WAS INVITED TO WITNESS AND PARTICIPATE IN A WEEK LONG SESSION THAT ONE INSTRUCTOR DESCRIBED AS A MIXTURE OF ART AND SCIENCE.

>> WE STARTED THE WEEK OFF THE VERY FIRST DAY WITH AN EXERCISE CALLED HEARING VOICES, SO WE PUT IN HEADPHONES, AND FOR ABOUT 30 MINUTES WE LISTENED TO THE RECORDING THAT WAS MADE BY PEOPLE WHO HAVE SCHIZOPHRENIA.

MEANWHILE WE'RE TRYING TO WORK THROUGH A WORKBOOK, A VERY SIMPLE TASK LIKE A CROSSWORD PUZZLE WAS REALLY DIFFICULT TO CONCENTRATE ON THAT WORKBOOK, WITH THESE VOICES PLAYING IN MY HEAD.

IT WAS DIFFICULT TO FOCUS, AND THEY COULD START TO SEE WHY SOMEONE WITH SCHIZOPHRENIA, WHY SOMEONE WAS HEARING VOICES MIGHT HAVE TUBAL RESPONDING TO COMMANDS IN THE FEEL.

>> HOW IS THE TRAIN BEING RECEIVED BY LAW ENFORCEMENT?

ARE THEY EMBRACING IT?

OR ARE THEY WEARY OF IT?

>> THERE WERE 32 OFFICERS AND STUDENTS IN THIS PARTICULAR TRAINING, AND I WOULD SAY ABOUT HALF OF THE OFFICERS SAID YOU KNOW I'M HEAR BECAUSE I WANT TO BE.

I HEARD THIS IS VALUABLE TRAINING AND I THINK IT CAN HELP WITH MY JOB.

THE OTHER HALF SAID YOU KNOW SUPERVISOR TOLD ME TAKE A WEEK AND GO DO CIP TRAINING, SO THAT'S WHY I'M HERE.

SO IT'S REALLY A MIXED BAG FOR MOST DEPARTMENTS I THINK.

>> ARE THERE INCENTIVES FINANCIAL OR OTHERWISE TO GET THE TRAINING?

>> THERE ARE SOME INCENTIVES, DEPENDING ON THE DEPARTMENT.

IN OKLAHOMA CITY, FOR INSTANCE, THEY MAKE AN ADDITIONAL $50 PER PAY PERIOD, WHICH I THINK ROUNDS OUT TO BE OVER A THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR THAT THEY MAKE IF THEY HAVE THE CIP TRAINING.

>> AN INSTRUCTOR SAID THIS IS PART ART, PART SCIENCE.

WHAT DOES HE MEAN BY THAT?

>> A GREAT EXAMPLE THERE WAS A SCENARIO WHERE A WOMAN WAS TODAY DELUSIONAL BUT WASN'T HURTING HERSELF AND WASN'T HURTING ANYONE ELSE.

THE ART OF IT COMES WHEN HE RESPONDS TO HER.

HIS TONE OF VOICE, IT'S ABOUT THE OFFICER FINDING THE RIGHT QUESTIONS TO GET THE ANSWERS THEY NEED TO MAKE THAT DECISION.

THAT'S THE ART OF IT.

SO HE'S MAKING HER FEEL COMFORTABLE OPENING UP TO HIM, TELLING HIM THE SITUATION, WHICH MAKES HIS JOB EASIER AND THAT'S A HUGE PART OF CRISIS INTERVENTION TRAINING.

>> HOW DOES OKLAHOMA RANK IN TERMS OF THESE ENCOUNTERS WITH POLICE AND PEOPLE THAT MENTAL ILLNESS AND HOW VIOLENT A SITUATION IS STATISTICALLY HERE?

>> A NATIONAL STUDY FOUND OKLAHOMA CITY WAS NUMBER TWO FOR POLICE KILLINGS IN THE NATION.

AND TULSA I BELIEVE IS NUMBER FIVE ON THAT LIST, AS WELL.

SO WE'RE NOT IN A GOOD SITUATION, IN TERMS OF PEOPLE BEING KILLED BY POLICE OFFICERS HERE IN OKLAHOMA.

RESEARCH GROUP CALLED THE TREATMENT ADVOCACY CENTER THEY FOUND THAT PEOPLE WITH UNTREATED MENTAL ILLNESS ARE 16 TIMES MORE LIKELY TO BE KILLED BY POLICE THAN PEOPLE WITHOUT A MENTAL ILLNESS.

SO IT'S DEFINITELY A CRISIS HERE IN THE COUNTRY, AND EXASPERATED IN OKLAHOMA, AS WELL.

>> WHITNEY BRYEN, MUST HAVE BEEN ARE A FASCINATING EXPERIENCE FOR YOU.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR REPORTING.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME ON.

>>> ON MONDAY, GOVERNOR STITT SIGNED A BILL MAKING OKLAHOMA A SIT SECOND AMENDMENT SANCTUARY STATE.

THE SAME TIME THE U.S. SUPREME COURT IS AGREED TO HEAR ARGUMENTS ON GUN RELATED ISSUES.

RORY TAYLOR TAKES A LOOK AT WHAT OKLAHOMA NEW GUN LAWS WILL DO AND IF THEY COULD BE ON A PATH TO A COURTROOM CHALLENGE, AS WELL.

>> ON MONDAY GOVERNOR STITT SIGNED A BILL DECLARING THE STATE OF OKLAHOMA WOULD NOT BE OBLIGATED TO ENFORCE ANY NEW FEDERAL GUN LAWS RESTRICTING THE PURCHASING OR OWNING OF FIREARMS.

>> THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS DONE AN OVERREACH BY SAYING MAGAZINES AND HOLD OVER SO MUCH AMMUNITION COULD BE OUTLAWED, ALSO CERTAIN PARTS OF GUNS CAN BE OUTLAWED, AND EVEN CERTAIN GUNS CAN BE OUTLAWED.

SO THIS IS TELLING FEDERAL GOVERNMENT NO, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT, AND THE STATE OF OKLAHOMA IS GOING TO PROTECT ITS CITIZENS IN DOING SO.

>> DON SPENCERS THE PRESIDENT OF THE OKLAHOMA SECOND AMENDMENT ASSOCIATION THAT LOBBIES FOR DEREGULATING FIREARM PURCHASES AND POSSESSIONS.

HE AGREES WITH THE AUTHOR, SENATOR WARREN HAMILTON, WHO SAID SENATE BILL 631 STATES THAT THE GUN LAWS AS THEY EXIST TODAY ARE AS RESTRICTIVE AS THEY'RE EVER GOING TO BE, AND THAT THEY CANNOT BE ADDED TO.

NO GOVERNMENTAL AGENCY HAS THE CONSTITUTIONAL AUTHORITY TO RESTRICT MAGAZINES, AMMUNITION, OR AR PISTOLS.

MOMS DEMAND ACTION A NONPARTISAN GROUP THAT ADVOCATES FOR GUN VIOLENCE PREVENTION OPPOSES THE BILL AND SAYS IT COULD BE STRUCK DOWN IN COURT.

>> THE SECOND AMENDMENT SANCTUARY STATE ACTUALLY HAS A GOOD CHANCE OF BEING DECLARED UNCONSTITUTIONAL, AND IT'S BEEN INTERESTING APPROACH TO PROTECT CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS BY VIOLATING THE SAME CONSTITUTION.

THERE IS ALREADY A PROCESS TO CHALLENGE THE CONSTITUTIONALITY OF LAWS, INCLUDING FIREARMS LAWS THIS ISN'T IT.

>> BETH FURNITURE SAYS WHILE LEGISLATE ORS PUSH, MOST ARE IN FAVOR OF ADDITIONAL SAFETY FOCUSED LAWS.

>> MOST OKLAHOMANS WANT COMMON SENSE GUN LAWS AND OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF OKLAHOMAMANS OPPOSE LAWS LIKE PERMIT TO CARRY, BUT OUR LEGISLATURES HAVE SHOWN THEY WILL FILE AND PASS JUST ABOUT ANY BILL AT THE REQUEST OF 2 A WHICH IS THE GUN LOBBY IN OKLAHOMA.

>> SHE BASES THAT ON THE RESULTS OF A POLL CONDUCTED BY MOMS DEMAND ACTION IN 2018.

IT FOUND 89% OF GUN OWNS OKLAHOMANS SUPPORTED THE POLICY AT THE TIME REQUIRING A PERMIT, SAFETY TRAINING AND CLEAN RECORD TO CARRY A LOADED HANDGUN IN PUBLIC AND 79% OF GUN OWNERS STRONGLY OPPOSED REMOVAL OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS.

BUT THE FOLLOWING YEAR, CONSTITUTIONAL CARRY LAW REPEALED THEM.

>> I THINK THE FEWER THE GUN LAWS THE BETTER, THE MORE -- THE FEWER THE RESTRICTIONS ON THE PEOPLE, THE BETTER SOCIETY IS AS A WHOLE.

THEY CAN PROTECT THEMSELVES.

THEY PROVEN TO BE VERY RESPONSIBLE IF GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY.

>> OKLAHOMA IS ONE OF SEVERAL STATES THAT PASSED SECOND AMENDMENT SANCTUARY STATE LEGISLATION.

OKLAHOMA AND NORTH DAKOTA BECAME THE NINTH ON MONDAY.

TEXAS ALSO HAS A SIMILAR BILL IN PROGRESS, WITH STATE LAWMAKERS ACROSS THE NATION LOOKING TO CONGRESS, THE PRESIDENT, AND ULTIMATELY THE SUPREME COURT TO ISSUE GUIDANCE AND RULINGS.

>> THE SUPREME COURT HAS BEEN EXTREMELY RELUCTANT TO TAKE NEW CASES THAT WOULD ACTUALLY FURTHER FLESH OUT WHAT THE RIGHT DOES DEAN PROTECT.

BUT NOW THEY'RE POISED TO DO SO, BECAUSE THIS CASE REALLY DOES OPEN UP IT'S KIND OF THE NEXT MAJOR ISSUE YOU COULD SAY THAT HELLER WAS A CASE ABOUT THE RIGHT TO KEEP ARMS, THIS IS A CASE ABOUT THE SCOPE AND NATURE OF THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS OUTSIDE THE HOME.

>> ON THE SAME DAY THAT GOVERNOR STITT SIGNED OKLAHOMA DECLARATION TO THE SECOND AMENDMENT SANCTUARY STATE, THE SUPREME COURT ANNOUNCED IT WOULD TAKE UP A CASE AGAINST NEW YORK RESTRICTIVE CARRY LAWS WHICH DO NOT ALLOW FOR OPEN CARRY AND TIGHTLY LIMIT WHO CAN GET A PERMIT FOR CONCEALED CARRY.

>> THAT'S VERY DIFFERENT FROM HOW CARRY LAWS WORK IN THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE REST OF THE COUNTRY.

OVER 40 STATES NOW EITHER DON'T REQUIRE A STATE ISSUED PERMIT AT ALL TO CARRY I A HANDGUN CONCEALED FOR SELF-DEFENSE, OKLAHOMA IS IN THAT CATEGORY NOW.

OR THEY DO REQUIRE A PERMIT BUT THE PERMIT IS AVAILABLE ON WHAT'S CALLED A SHELL ISSUE BASIS.

>> RATHER THAN CRITERIA THAT ONCE FULFILLED REQUIRED THE STATE TO ISSUE A PERMIT NEW YORK ALLOWS FURTHER DISCRETION IN ITS ISSUING OF CONCEALED CARRY PERMITS.

BASED ON PREVIOUS FEDERAL RULINGS AND THE SUPREME COURT ROSTER, THERE IS GOOD REASON TO EXPECT THE NEW YORK LAW WILL BE STRICTEN DOWN.

AFFIRMING THE INDIVIDUAL RIGHT NOT JUST TO KEEP BUT ALSO TO BEAR ARMS.

>> IF YOU DO SEE NEW FEDERAL GUN CONTROLS OF VARIOUS KINDS COMING DOWN THE PIPE IN THE NEXT FOUR YEARS, AS THERE IS SOME REASON TO THINK THERE MIGHT BE, THOSE WILL BE SUBJECT TO SECOND AMENDMENT CHALLENGES.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN ALL OF THEM WILL BE STRUCK DOWN BUT IT WILL BE CONDUCTED AGAINST THE BACKGROUND OF OKAY, THE SUPREME COURT HAS REAFFIRMED THIS RIGHT.

>> RORY TAYLOR, "OKLAHOMA NEWS REPORT."

>>> EARLIER THIS MONTH PRESIDENT BIDEN URGED CONGRESS TO PASS STRONGER GUN REGULATIONS IN ADDITION TO SIGNING AN EXECUTIVE ORDER THAT WOULD TRACK SALES OF FIREARMS ASSUME BELLED FROM KITS.

>>> THE GOVERNOR MAKING GOOD ON A PROMISE HE MADE EARLIER THIS YEAR THE REFORM THE STATE'S GOVERNMENT CIVIL SERVICE.

HOUSE BILL 1146 ELIMINATES THE MERIT PROTECTION SYSTEM PUT IN PLACE NEARLY 40 YEARS AGO.

STITT SAYS DESERVING STATE EMPLOYEES WILL NO LONGER GET PASSED OVER FOR PROMOTIONS IN OTHER OPPORTUNITIES SIMPLY BECAUSE SOMEONE HAS WORKED FOR AN AGENCY LONGER THAN THEY HAVE.

>> MEN AND WOMEN ACROSS STATE GOVERNMENT HAVE BEEN STUCK IN AN OUTDATED SYSTEM THAT DOESN'T REALLY PRIORITIZE HARD WORK.

AGENCY HEADS HAVE HAD THEIR HANDS TIED WHEN IT COMES TO RECRUITING, AND RETAINING TOP TALENT.

SO TODAY THAT ALL CHANGES.

>> THE MEASURE CONSOLIDATES ADMINISTRATIVE HUMAN RESOURCES FUNCTION UNDER THE CAPITAL MANAGEMENT DIVISION INSTEAD OF HAVING EACH AGENCY HANDLE THOSE DUTIES SEPARATELY.

>>> OKLAHOMA IS GROWING BUT NOT ENOUGH TO WARRANT ADDITIONAL SEAT IN THE U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.

THE 2020 CENSUS DATA WAS FINALLY RELEASED ON MONDAY.

OUR POPULATION IN THE LAST TEN YEARS RISEN BY ABOUT 200,000 PEOPLE.

TO 3,963,516.

THE LARGEST POPULATION SHIFTS HAVE BEEN FROM RURAL LOCATIONS TO SUBURBS AND CITIES AND THAT SHOULD RESULT IN OKLAHOMA CITY PICKING UP AN ADDITIONAL SEAT IN BOTH THE STATEHOUSE AND STATE SENATE.

>>> AFTER A FLURRY OF ACTIVITY LAST WEEK THINGS HAVE BEEN QUIETER AT THE STATE CAPITOL THIS WEEK.

HERE WITH OUR WEEKLY REPORT ON THE 58th LEGISLATURE NEWS DIRECTOR SHAWN ASHLEY.

A SESSION IS SCHEDULED TO END IN LESS THAN A MONTH BUT THERE APPEARS TO BE HEAVY LIFTING TO DO.

WHAT'S LEFT ON THE AGENDA?

>> PROBABLY THE HEAVIEST LIFT IS THE BUDGET.

THERE IS NOT YET AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE ON WHAT THE BUDGET FOR THE 2022 FISCAL YEAR WILL LOOK LIKE.

IT SEEMS ONE OF THE KEY ISSUES IS EDUCATION FUNDING.

THE HOUSE WANTS TO PUT MORE MONEY INTO THE CLASSROOM, AND IN DOING SO THAT WOULD TRIGGER SOME CLASSROOM SIZE REQUIREMENTS.

AND, OF COURSE, THERE IS THE 80, AND THAT IS MEDICAID.

AND MEDICAID EXPANSION AND HOW TO FUND THAT ADDITIONAL COST.

>> SHAWN, GOVERNOR STITT SENT A BILL BACK TO THE LEGISLATURE BECAUSE APPARENTLY IT WOULD HAVE MADE COMPUTER HACKING LEGAL.

WHAT HAPPENED HERE?

>> HOUSE BILL 1759 WAS AN UPDATE TO THE OKLAHOMA COMPUTER CRIME CODE.

AND WHAT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO DO WAS PROVIDE AN EXEMPTION FOR WHITE HAT HACKERS.

THESE ARE HACKERS WHO WORK WITH BUSINESSES TO HELP FIND VULNERABILITIES IN THEIR NETWORKS AND SYSTEMS.

HOWEVER, THE BILL WHICH HAS HAD THE SAME LANGUAGE THROUGHOUT THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS SAID THAT THEY COULD DO THIS WITHOUT THE PERMISSION OF THE BUSINESSES.

IN OTHER WORDS, THEY COULD SIMPLY HACK THEM.

SO AS YOU SAID THE BILL HAS BEEN SENT BACK.

>> EPIC CHARTER SCHOOLS AND THE VIRTUAL CHARTER SCHOOL BOARD REACHED A SETTLEMENT.

WHAT ARE THE DETAILS?

>> ONE OF THE KEY ELEMENTS OF THAT IS THE AGREEMENT MAKES THE LEARNING FUNDS PUBLIC RECORDS.

WE'LL BE ABLE TO SEE HOW THAT MONEY IS BEING SPENT.

THAT IS MONEY STUDENTS ARE ABLE TO USE FOR EXTRACURRICULAR ACTIVITIES OR ADDITIONAL LEARNING MATERIALS, AND SERVICES.

IT ALSO CLARIFIES A LOT OF LANGUAGE RELATED TO SHARED SERVICES AND STAFF.

WHAT THE AUDITOR SAID IT WAS SOMETIMES DIFFICULT TO TELL WHICH TIN 20 AN INDIVIDUAL WAS WORKING FOR AND WHO WAS PAYING THEM.

EXACTLY WHAT THEIR DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES WERE.

AND IN THAT REALLY FLOWS INTO A BIG PART OF THE AGREEMENT.

AND THAT SPECIFIES THAT THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY AND THE SCHOOL MUST BE SEPARATE ENTITIES WITH SEPARATE STAFFS.

SO YOU DON'T HAVE INDIVIDUALS FLOATING BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE TWO, AND IDEALLY ACCORDING TO THE AUDIT THIS WOULD INCREASE TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY IN THE SYSTEM.

>> OKLAHOMA HAS FOURTH STATE EPIDEMIOLOGIST SINCE THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC BEGAN JUST OVER A YEAR AGO.

WHO IS SHE AND WHY ALL THE TURNOVER?

>> JOLYON STONE IS THE FORMER DEPUTY EPIDEMIOLOGIST WITH THE STATE WHO NOW BECOMES THE STATE EPIDEMIOLOGIST.

WE'VE SEEN REALLY TEMPORARY INDIVIDUALS COME IN AS CONSULTANTS TO WORK AS EPIDEMIOLOGISTS.

AND REALLY YOU HIT ON THE REASON FOR THAT.

WE HAD A PANDEMIC.

AND EPIDEMIOLOGISTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY WERE IN HIGH DEMAND IN THE PUBLIC HEALTH SECTOR.

>> SHAWN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND.

>> THANK YOU.

>>> OKLAHOMA OIL PATCH IN THE NEWS THIS WEEK.

HERE IS JASON DOYLE WITH OUR WEEKLY OKLAHOMA BUSINESS REVIEW.

>> AFTER EIGHT YEARS AT THE HELM CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER DOUG LAWLER IS STEPPING DOWN EFFECTIVE FRIDAY.

CHESAPEAKE BOARD CHAIRMAN WILL SERVE AS INTERIM CEO WHILE THE BOARD CONDUCTS A SEARCH.

NO REASON WAS GIVEN FOR LAWLER'S DEPARTURE AS SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION FILING SHOWS LAWLER WILL RECEIVE A SEVERANCE PARK ACKNOWLEDGE.

HOUSTON BASED PROSPERITY BANK SEES A BRIGHT FUTURE IN OKLAHOMA AS THE COMPANY SEES ITS NET INCOME INCREASE IN FIRST QUARTER.

PROSPERITY BANK SENIOR CHAIRMAN AND CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER DAVID ZALMAN SAYS OKLAHOMA PROJECTED TO HAVE POPULATION GROWTH THIS YEAR WITH SEVERAL LARGE BUSINESSES LIKE BOEING, AMERICAN AIRLINES, COSTCO AND AMAZON EXPANDING.

HE NOTED CONSUMER SPENDING IN OKLAHOMA IS ABOVE LAST YEAR'S LEVEL AT THIS POINT, WITH MORE RETAIL JOBS OPENING AND HIGHER THAN AVERAGE NEW HOUSING PERMITS BEING REQUESTED.

OKLAHOMA SLATED TO HAVE A NEW CONNECTION TO THE CITY OF NEW YORK THIS FALL.

AMERICAN AIRLINES HAS ANNOUNCED A NEW NONSTOP ROUTE BETWEEN OKLAHOMA CITY WILL RODGERS AIRPORT AND LaGUARDIA AIRPORT IN NEW YORK.

THE ONCE A DAY FLIGHT BEGINS ON NOVEMBER 2nd.

THE OKLAHOMA COMMERCE DEPARTMENT IS ACCEPTING APPLICATIONS FOR THE OKLAHOMA INNOVATION EXPANSION PROGRAM.

COMPANIES APPLYING FOR THED HE CONSIDER IT MUST BE WORKING ON INNOVATIVE PROJECTS WHICH WILL EXPAND THE COMPANY, IMPROVE SUPPLY CHAIN RESILIENCY OR TARGET NEW MARKETS.

APPLICATIONS WILL BE ACCEPTED THROUGH MAY 7th.

OKLAHOMA CITY CONTINENTAL RESOURCES HAS A STRONG FIRST QUARTER OF 2021 WITH NET INCOME OF $260 MILLION COMPARED TO FIRST QUARTER OF 2020 LOSS.

UP $160 MILLION.

COMPANY OFFICIALS SAY CONTINENTAL IS MAKING PROGRESS ON PAYING DOWN DEBT AND REINSTATED DIVIDEND TO INVESTORS.

JASON DOYLE, THE OKLAHOMA BUSINESS REVIEW.

>>> AND THAT'S AN EXCELLENT JUMPING OFF POINT TO CONTINUE OUR DISCUSSION OF OKLAHOMA OIL AND GAS INDUSTRY.

OUR STATE HAS FIVE PETROLEUM REFINERIES, CAPABLE OF PRODUCING MORE THAN 500,000 BARRELS PER DAY.

OKLAHOMA IS THE THIRD LARGEST PRODUCER OF NATURAL GAS IN THE U.S. AND ITS HOME TO THE WORLD'S LARGEST OIL STORAGE FACILITY.

IT IS A HISTORIC AND CRITICAL PART OF OKLAHOMA OVERALL ECONOMY.

WILL IT ALWAYS BE THAT WAY?

IN THIS WEEK'S IN-DEPTH DISCUSSION, SUSAN CADOT VISITS WITH EXPERTS TO TALK ABOUT WHAT IS AND WHAT MAY BE.

>> THANK YOU, RICH.

YES, IT'S ABOUT THE ENERGY YOU PUT OUT IN OKLAHOMA, IS KNOWN FOR PUTTING OUT A LOT OF ENERGY AND WE MOVERS AND SHAKERS TO TALK ABOUT THE LATEST OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE ENERGY SECTOR.

I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE OUR PANEL TO ALL OF YOU.

FIRST WE HAVE BROOK SIMMONS WHO IS PRESIDENT OF THE PETROLEUM ALLIANCE OF OKLAHOMA.

WE HAVE DEWEY BARTLETT JUNIOR THE PRESIDENT OF OIL AND GAS COMPANY.

AND WE HAVE JERRY BOHNEIN WHO IS EDITOR IN CHIEF OF OK ENERGY TODAY.COM.

THANK YOU GENTLEMEN FOR BEING WITH US.

WE'RE GOING TO BE ON A FIRST NAME BASIS FOR THIS DISCUSSION, OKAY?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING WITH US.

FIRST I'M GOING TO START WITH BROOK.

BRIEFLY TELL OUR VIEWERS WHO YOU ARE AND LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOUR ORGANIZATION.

>> I AM PRESIDENT OF THE PETROLEUM ALLIANCE AVER OKLAHOMA.

WE REPRESENT 1,300 MEMBER COMPANIES, TENS OF THOUSANDS OF EMPLOYEES AND THE UPSTREAM, MIDSTREAM AND DOWN STREAM OIL AND GAS INDUSTRY IN OKLAHOMA.

OUR JOB IS TO ADVOCATE ON BEHALF OF THE OIL AND GAS INDUSTRY, AND THAT'S WHAT WE DO AT THE STATE CAPITOL AND THE CORPORATION COMMISSION AND AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL.

>> AND WE'LL BE COMING BACK TO YOU WITH QUESTIONS.

TELL US ABOUT YOURSELF AND YOUR GROUP.

>> I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE OIL AND GAS COMPANY.

I'M THE THIRD GENERATION IN MY FAMILY TO BE INVOLVED WITH OUR COMPANY.

LOCATED IN TULSA.

I'M ALSO THE CHAIRMAN OF TOM ENERGY PRODUCER'S ALLIANCE.

AND WE'RE 550 MEMBER ORGANIZATION, SPREAD THROUGHOUT 75 COMMUNITIES, CITY, ET CETERA, IN OKLAHOMA.

WE REPRESENT WHAT WILL BE CONSIDERED TO BE THE SMALL INDEPENDENT OIL AND NATURAL GAS PRODUCERS IN OKLAHOMA, THE LEGACY COMPANIES THAT HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR DECADES THAT ARE PRODUCING WELLS DAY IN AND DAY OUT.

>> AND WE HAVE JERRY BOHNEIN AND A LOT OF PEOPLE MAY RECOGNIZE THAT NAME.

TELL US ABOUT YOU.

>> I SPENT BETTER PART OF 50 YEARS IN RADIO NEWS, IN KANSAS AND OKLAHOMA MOST OF IT IN OKLAHOMA CITY.

BUT THEN ABOUT TEN OR 11 YEARS AGO I HAD DECIDED TO CREATE OK ENERGY TODAY, DAILY ENERGY NEWS LETTER AND CURRENTLY HAVE ABOUT 5700 SUBSCRIBERS, MOST IN OKLAHOMA, BUT TEXAS, COLORADO, NEW MEXICO, AND SUCH, AND IT'S NOW -- I'M THE MANAGING EDITOR, AND SO IT'S A DAILY NEWS LETTER, AND I SCRIBBLE A LOT BASICALLY.

>> OKAY.

PRETTY ADEPT AT SCRIBBLING FROM JERRY BOHNEIN.

MY FIRST QUESTION, ANYONE CAN ANSWER IT, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE NEW ADMINISTRATION PRESIDENT BIDEN POLICY WHICH LEANS TOWARDS INCREASED REGULATION WHEN IT COMES TO ENVIRONMENTAL AMTRAK.

AND I SEE YOU NODDING YOUR HEAD.

WE'LL GO TO YOU FIRST.

HOW IS THAT IMPACTING OKLAHOMA OIL AND GAS INDUSTRY?

DOES IT HAVE AN IMPACT?

>> IT DOES AN IMPACT.

I WILL SAY I BELIEVE TODAY THE U.S. SENATE IS GOING TO TAKE UP A RESOLUTION OF DISAPPROVAL OVERTURNING ONE OF THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION POLICIES THAT ACTUALLY HELPED OUR MARGINAL OIL AND GAS WELL OPERATORS.

IT'S CALLED WASN'T TOE A, BASICALLY A STRICT AND DUPLICATIVE AND VERY EXPENSIVE METHANE REDUCTION PROGRAM THAT HAD BEEN IN PLACE IN THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION, TRUMP BACKED OFF OF THAT AND SAID HEY, GUY, WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THE ECONOMICS OF THIS, AND NOW THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION WITH THE DEMOCRATIC CONTROLLED SENATE IS GOING TO ROLL THAT BACK.

AND THAT'S GOING TO INCREASE COST FOR SMALL WELL OPERATORS ACROSS THE STATE OF OKLAHOMA.

BETWEEN FOUR AND $6,000 PER WELL.

>> WE TALK ABOUT METHANE REDUCTION.

WHAT IS THAT?

AND HOW MUCH OF AN IMPACT DO THOSE MEASURES THAT THAT ARE BEING OVERTURNED OR BROUGHT BACK HAVE ON THE DAILY OUTPUT?

AND I DON'T KNOW WHO WANTS TO -- DO YOUY, DO YOU WANT TO TACKLE THAT ONE, OR EVERY?

>> WELL, IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS THROUGHOUT THE STREET IT'S NOT NEAR A BIG A DEAL AS THEY'RE MAKING IT.

BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE ENVIRONMENTALISTS ARE RALLYING BEHIND.

AND IT WOULD BE A TERRIBLE, VERY DESTRUCTIVE RESULT IF THEY DO GET THEIR WAY.

EVERY LITTLE BIT OF GAS THAT'S PRODUCED EMITS VERY, VERY SMALL AMOUNT OF METHANE AND IT'S NORMALLY NOT EVEN ENOUGH TO START ANY KIND OF A SMALL ENGINE, FOR EXAMPLE.

MOST COMPANIES TAKE A GOOD RESPONSIBLE USE OF IT.

THEY EITHER PRODUCE IT IN A PIPELINE OR THEY FLARE IT IN A VERY POSITIVE WAY.

BUT THE ENVIRONMENTALISTS ARE SEEING IT AS A REAL HOLY GRAIL THAT IF WE CAN GET SOMETHING DONE HERE, WE WILL GO DOWN THE PATH THAT WE WANT, WHICH IS TO TOTALLY DISMANTLE THE OIL AND NATURAL GAS INDUSTRY AS WE KNOW IT IN THE UNITED STATES TODAY.

IT'S A VERY, VERY WORRISOME PERSPECTIVE THAT THE ENVIRONMENTALISTS ESPECIALLY THOSE IN WASHINGTON, D.C. HAVE RIGHT NOW.

>> JERRY -- >> DOING IT,ING CALLED IT THE HOLY GRAIL OF THE ENVIRONMENTALISTS.

THEY REALLY LATCHED ON TO THIS, HAVEN'T THEY DEWEY AND BROOK.

>> NO QUESTION.

>> AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT WE SEE THIS SORT OF WASE RELIGIOUS FERVOR ON THE ENVIRONMENT, AND IF YOU HAVE -- ONCE YOU START UNPACKING WHAT THE GREEN NEW DEAL IS AND THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION PLAN WHAT THEY'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT IS THIS FANTASTIC PURSUIT OF ELIMINATION OF HYDROCARBONS WITHOUT ANY SORT OF BASIS IN REALITY ABOUT WHAT OUR INDUSTRY PROVIDES IN WAY OF HUMAN PROGRESS.

AND I THINK DON'T YOUY WOULD AGREE WITH ME, WE TALK ABOUT THE SECURITY ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, WE'RE BASICALLY TALKING ABOUT UNITED STATES OFFSHORING ENERGY SECURITY TO RUSSIA, SAWEDY ARABIA, AND IN GREAT RESPECT CHINA.

AND YOU KNOW DON'T YOUY IS A LONG STUDENT OF HISTORY.

IF YOU GO TO DEWEY'S OFFICE YOU CAN SEE WONDERFUL POLITICAL CARTOONS TALKING ABOUT OPEC AND THE CARTEL AND THEIR IMPACT ON THE ENERGY POLICY OVER TIME.

FOR ME, WITH CHILDREN, I WORRY ABOUT THAT A LOT.

WHAT ARE WE DOING?

HOW ARE WE TAKING CARE OF OUR OWN ENERGY SECURITY?

>> DO WE EVER -- JERRY I WANT TO COME TO YOU.

DO WE EVER AS HUMAN RACE GET AWAY FROM USING FOSSIL FUEL?

YOU SEE THESE ELECTRIC CAR COMMERCIALS, BUT WHERE DOES THE ELECTRICITY COME FROM?

DO YOU SEE US EVER GETTING AWAY FROM THAT KIND OF ENERGY?

>> ABSOLUTELY NOT.

I DON'T THINK THE AMERICAN PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS THE VITAL ROLE THAT OIL AND GAS PLAYS IN THE PRODUCTION OF YOU KNOW CLOTHING AND -- I WAS FASCINATED BY A STORY I HAD A COUPLE WEEKS AGO ABOUT THE RV INDUSTRY WAS SLOWED DOWN BECAUSE OF THE SHUTDOWN OF THE REFINERIES IN TEXAS DURING FEBRUARY, BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T PRODUCE THINGS LIKE FOAM.

THE SAME WAY FOR CAR MANUFACTURERS.

SO IT AFFECTS SO MANY INDUSTRIES.

AND IN FACT, I HAD A STORY THIS MORNING ABOUT HOW THE TRUCKING INDUSTRY IS BOOMING NOW, BECAUSE OF THE CHANGE OF LIFESTYLE BROUGHT ABOUT BY COVID-19 AND THE PANDEMIC.

BECAUSE WE'VE LONG GONE TO HOME DELIVERY OF OUR GOODS AND PRODUCTS AND AMAZON, LOOK AT THE FANTASTIC GROWTH THAT WE SEEN THERE.

SO NOW YOU HAVE A GREATER NEED FOR DIESEL TRUCKS OR TRUCKS, PERIOD, TO HAUL THOSE GOODS FROM WAREHOUSES, TO OUR HOMES, AND STORES ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

>> SO DEWEY WHAT'S THE -- I'M GOING TO PLAY DEVIL'S ADVOCATE.

THE REALITY IS IF THE AMERICAN ENERGY INDUSTRY IS PUT IN A CHOKEHOLD, AMERICANS ARE STILL GOING TO WANT THAT ENERGY, RIGHT?

AND WE'LL HAVE TO GET IT OVERSEAS?

>> THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO WAY THAT THE UNITED STATES CITIZENS ARE GOING TO LESSEN THEIR DEMAND FOR THE PRODUCTS THAT WE ARE VERY ACCUSTOMED TO RIGHT NOW.

EVERYTHING FROM FUELS, TO FERTILIZER.

CAN YOU IMAGINE THAT IF THE ENVIRONMENTALISTS AND THOSE IN WASHINGTON, D.C. THAT DON'T ASK A LOT OF QUESTIONS CAN YOU IMAGINE IF THEY WIN THE DAY WHAT THEY WILL DO JUST TO THE FARMING INDUSTRY?

THE BREADBASKET OF OUR UNIVERSE IS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, GENTLY SPEAKING.

THEY RELY UPON GOOD ACCESS TO FERTILIZER.

NATURAL GAS IS A PRIME COMPONENT FROM WHICH FERTILIZER IS MADE.

IF WE DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO FIRST FERTILIZER WHAT WE GOING TO DO?

THE DEMAND IS GOING TO BE THERE, AND JUST AS THE OTHER TWO STATED WE WILL GO AS A COUNTRY GO OFFSHORE, GO OUTSIDE THIS COUNTRY LIKE WE DID SEVERAL DECADES AGO TO GET THE NOT ONLY THE CRUDE OIL, WE NEED, BUT ALSO REFINED PRODUCTS THAT WE NEED, GASOLINE, DIESEL, ET CETERA.

BUT IT PUTS THOSE COUNTRIES IN A VERY ADVANTAGEOUS POSITION TO MAKE DICTATING WHAT WE DO, WHAT OUR POLICIES ARE AS A COUNTRY.

THEY TRIED THAT BEFORE, BUT THEY WILL BE EVEN IN A BETTER POSITION NOW BECAUSE THE COUNTRY LIKE CHINA HAS THAT ABILITY.

AND WE DO NOT WANT TO BE THERE BUT THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING.

AND THE POWERS THAT BE IN WASHINGTON, D.C.

SIMPLY AREN'T ASKING THOSE QUESTIONS.

THEY KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS.

THEY DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT BECAUSE THEY'RE VERY SELFISH ABOUT THEIR POWER POSITIONS UNFORTUNATELY.

>> BROOK, JERRY, COMING FROM THE ENERGY SECTOR WHAT WE'RE HEARING FROM YOU GUYS YOU JUST DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT, AS MUCH AS YOU CARE ABOUT YOUR PROFIT LINE.

>> THAT IS ABSOLUTELY LAUGHABLE.

OUR MEMBERS ARE WORKING ON INNOVATIVE TECHNOLOGIES THAT NOT ONLY HELP AMERICAN PRODUCERS DELIVER THE CLEANEST HYDROCARBON MOLECULE POSSIBLE, BUT POLICIES THAT ARE PUT IN PLACE, LET ME GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF NEW YORK.

NEW YORK HAS SAID NO PIPELINE TO THE SHELL, NO PIPELINE -- NO INFRASTRUCTURE, NO FRACKING, NOTHING LIKE THAT, BUT WE'RE GOING TO IMPORT DIRTIER RUSSIAN MOLECULES INTO NEW YORK TO POWER NEW YORK AND KEEP THE LIGHTS ON AND THE HEAT ON THERE.

IT MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE.

BUT I WILL TELL YOU WHAT.

THE ENGINEERS, THE GEOLOGISTS, THE HARD WORKING CREATIVE MINDS IN THE OIL AND GAS INDUSTRY ARE GOING TO BE THE ONES THAT SOLVE BOTH OUR ENERGY AND OUR ENVIRONMENTAL CHALLENGES.

IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE SCRIBBLERS IN WASHINGTON, D.C., THE UNELECTED BUREAUCRATS, OR THE GAS BAGS, THE WIND BAGS IN CONGRESS WHO TALK ABOUT THIS.

IT'S GOING TO BE FOLKS LIKE DEWEY EY'S EMPLOYEE AND OUR MEMBERS COMPANY'S EMPLOYEES THAT ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO SOLVE THESE ISSUES.

>> I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE PRICES OF GAS.

HIGHER THAN THEY WERE LAST YEAR, WHO CAN ANSWER WHY?

>> THE DEMAND IS UP FOR ONE THING.

FROM WHERE WE'VE BEEN TO LAST YEAR, OR SO, ACTUALLY LITTLE MORE THAN A YEAR, THE DEMAND FOR CRUDE OIL AND NATURAL GAS PLUMMETED, BOTH FOR GASOLINE, DIESEL FUEL, TO LESSER EXTENT, BUDGET FUEL INCREDIBLY LOST TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF DEMAND.

NOW IT'S CHANGING.

NOW WE'RE GOING BACK TO DEMAND IS INCREASING.

BUT THERE'S ALSO BEEN THINGS LIKE KEYSTONE PIPELINE THAT REALLY ARE A BAROMETER OF WHAT THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION IS PURSUING, UNFORTUNATELY.

WHEN FIRST DAY IN OFFICE WHEN BIDEN SAID HE WAS GOING TO SHUT DOWN THE KEYSTONE PIPELINE, 11,000 PEOPLE IMMEDIATELY LOST THEIR JOB THROUGHOUT THE MID-SECTION OF THE COUNTRY.

PRICE OF -- PRICE OF CRUDE OIL WENT UP BECAUSE THE MARKET IS SEEING THE DEMAND INCREASE BUT THE SUPPLY IS NOT INCREASING, OTHER THAN THOSE POINTS THAT ARE OFFSHORE.

IN OTHER WORDS, THE OPEC COUNTRIES, THE RUSSIAS OF THE WORLD.

SO WE'VE SEEN PRICES INCREASE.

IT'S VERY DEMAND ORIENTED, DEMAND IS NOT GOING AWAY.

BUT THE SUPPLY IS GOING TO BE CHANGING UNLESS WE DO SEE A CHANGE OF ADMINISTRATION IN THE NEXT TWO AND FOUR YEARS, IN MY OPINION.

>> THE LOSS OF THE KEYSTONE PIPELINE TO OKLAHOMA, DID THAT IMPACT OKLAHOMA AT ALL OR NOT?

>> IT DID IMPACT OKLAHOMA, AND IN ADDITION TO THE SUPPLY AND DEMAND BALANCE QUESTIONS THAT ARE SORT OF FORWARD-LOOKING YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 50 JOBS IN OKLAHOMA, $10 MILLION IN CONTRACTS FOR BOTH SERVICES AND CONSTRUCTION, IN COAL COUNTY.

DID NOT GET BUILT BECAUSE OF THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION ON KEYSTONE XL.

WE HEAR A LOT OF TALK ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE COMING OUT OF WASHINGTON, D.C. AS EVERYBODY KNOWS PIPELINES ARE INFRASTRUCTURE.

AND IT MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE TO CHOOSE ONE TYPE OF INFRASTRUCTURE THAT PROVIDES THE LIFE-SAVING HYDROCARBONS VERSUS SOME OTHER KIND.

IT'S NONSENSE WHAT WE SEE OUT OF THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION RIGHT NOW.

>> IT'S ALSO A NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUE.

THAT PIPELINE WAS PRIMARILY GOING TO BE BRINGING OIL FROM CANADA, OUR PROBABLY MOST RENOWNED ALL LIE, INTO THE UNITED STATES, TO BE DISTRIBUTED ELSEWHERE.

IF WE HAVE A PROBLEM, IF WE EVER HAVE A PROBLEM OF SUPPLY OF CRUDE OIL, WOULDN'T WE RATHER BE ABLE TO RELY UPON SOMEBODY LIKE CANADA, OUR FRIENDS, AS OPPOSED TO GOING ELSEWHERE FOR -- TO HELP US SUPPLY PROBLEM WE MIGHT HAVE.

IT WAS A REAL, REAL BONE HEADED IDEA AND TO DO THAT AGAINST ONE OF OUR GOOD FRIENDS WAS JUST OUTRAGEOUS.

>> GENTLEMEN OUR TIME IS WRAPPING UP.

I DID WANT TO GET A LAST WORD FROM EACH ONE OF YOU.

WHAT YOU THINK OKLAHOMANS NEED TO KNOW.

AND THE FACT THAT THE OIL INDUSTRY AND YOU KNOW ARE YOU ANTI-ENVIRONMENT, ARE YOU -- DO YOU LOOK FOR SOLUTIONS WITHOUT SOMETHING BEING PRODDED TO DO SO BY GOVERNMENT OR INSTANCES OF ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES, AND I'LL TALK WITH YOU, BROOK.

>> IT MAKES SENSE FOR OUR COMPANIES TO WANT TO DELIVER THE CLEANEST HYDROCARBON MOLECULE POSSIBLE.

THAT IS EFFICIENCY, IT IS AN IMPORTANT BUSINESS CONSIDERATION.

AND IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER YOU'RE A SMALL COMPANY OR BIG COMPANY, YOU'RE GOING TO WANT TO TRY TO DELIVER THAT CLEANEST HYDROCARBON TO THE CONSUMERS A POSSIBLE.

I WANT THE POINT OUT THAT JUST A YEAR AGO OIL PRICES FELL TO NEGATIVE $37.63.

TODAY A YEAR AND SEVEN DAYS OR EIGHT DAYS LATER, WE ARE OVER $64 PER BAR LEVEL.

THAT IS A FANTASTIC SIGNAL FOR OKLAHOMA.

THE JOBS ARE GOING TO COME BACK.

THE ECONOMY IS GOING TO IMPROVE.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO LEAVE VIEWERS WITH THAT SORT OF MINDSET, THAT THINGS ARE GETTING BETTER IN OKLAHOMA.

AND OKLAHOMA WILL CONTINUE TO BE IMPORTANT PART OF UNITED STATE ENERGY FRAMEWORK.

>> JERRY, FINAL THOUGHTS?

>> SAME THING.

YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL PART AND PARCEL OF THE OKLAHOMA ECONOMY.

JUST AS AGRICULTURE IS.

AND I THINK ALL THE INDUSTRIES TAKE HEART IN KNOWING THAT THE ENVIRONMENT IS IMPORTANT TO US.

AND I THINK IT'S FAR MORE IMPORTANT TO THE INDUSTRY THAN THE AMERICAN PUBLIC HAS BEEN LED TO BELIEVE.

>> AND DEWEY YOU GET TO HAVE THE LAST WORD.

>> WELL, I THINK THAT FIRST OF ALL I APPRECIATE ALL OF US GETTING TOGETHER TO TALK ABOUT THE CONCEPT OF ENERGY.

WHO BETTER TO UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT OF ENERGY THAT OUR PEOPLE THAT ARE VERY INVOLVED IN THE OIL AND NATURAL GAS INDUSTRY IN OKLAHOMA.

IT'S WHY ABOUT 15 YEARS AGO I PUT 20 SOLAR PANELS ON THE ROOF OF OUR BUILDING.

FIRST TIME A COMMERCIAL INSTALLATION LIKE THAT HAD BEEN DONE IN OKLAHOMA BECAUSE I WANTED TO FIND OUT WHAT IT'S LIKE TO PRODUCE ELECTRICITY ENERGY IN A SOLAR ENVIRONMENT.

FOUND OUT THAT IT'S A LONG-TERM PAY OUT.

WHEN WE LOOK AT STATES LIKE TEXAS AND NEW YORK STATE AND CALIFORNIA THE PROBLEMS THEY'VE HAD WHEN THEY MAKE DECISIONS BASED UPON ENERGY CREATION BUT NOT LOOKING AT THE -- WHAT ARE THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES, NOT ASKING THOSE QUESTIONS.

WELL, WE SEEN IN THESE THREE STATES DIRECTLY WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THOSE QUESTIONS ARE NOT ASKED, AND THEY'RE NOT ANSWERED.

WE IN OKLAHOMA NEED TO CONTINUE TO ASK THOSE QUESTIONS.

IF WE ARE GOING TO CHANGE OUR MIX OF ENERGY CREATION, WHAT'S THE CONSEQUENCES.

WE THINK THAT IT'S A VERY POSITIVE FUTURE FOR US.

THE OIL AND NATURAL GAS INDUSTRY IS PRODUCING EVERYTHING THAT THIS ECONOMY AND THIS WAY OF LIFE NEEDS IN ORDER TO EXIST PROPERLY.

AND WE'VE GOT TO BE PART OF THAT MIX AND PART OF THAT GROUP MAKING THOSE DECISIONS.

AND NOT JUST BE ON THE TARGET FOR EVERY ILL INTENTIONS POLITICIAN TRYING TO PUT US OUT BUSINESS.

>> WHAT A GREAT DISCUSSION, AND I WANT TO HAVE YOU BACK, BECAUSE I KNOW THERE IS SO MUCH MORE WE CAN TALK ABOUT AND EDUCATE OURSELVES ABOUT, ABOUT THIS INDUSTRY THAT IS SO VITAL TO THE STATE OF OKLAHOMA AND TO THE NATION.

THANK ALL OF YOU FOR JOINING US.

>> THANK YOU, SUSAN.

>> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

>>> SUSAN AND GUESTS, GREAT CONVERSATION.

THANK YOU.

WITH ABUNDANCE OF WIND AND WIDE OPEN SPACES OKLAHOMA WILL ALWAYS BE AN EXCELLENT PLACE TO FLY A KITE.

THE 27th ANNUAL FESS 20 IT 20 VE KITES WILL BE HEALTH MAY 8th AND 9th.

ALL AGES ARE ENCOURAGED TO COME OUT AND TRY TO TAME THE WIND.

>>> IF YOU CAN'T WAIT UNTIL THEN, OKLAHOMA ISN'T THE ONLY STATE FULL OF KITE FLYING.

IN THIS WEEK'S NATIONAL VIEW WE'RE GOING TO HEAD TO LONG BEACH, MISSISSIPPI WHERE SCOTT BRADFIELDS PROFILED CAT FLYING ON THE COAST.

>> KITES ARE NOT A ONCE A YEAR THING HERE IN LONG BEACH.

KITES ARE YEAR ROUND.

BEING THAT WE'RE FLYING ON BEACH BOULEVARD, PEOPLE STOP ALL THE TIME.

WE HEAR A LOT OF KITE STORIES, PEOPLE THAT STOP AND THEY WANT TO TAKE PICTURES OF THE KITE.

THEY WANT TO FLY THE KITES.

THEY WANT TO DO ALL TYPES OF THINGS.

AND WE OFTEN GET TO HEAR THEIR STORIES ABOUT WHEN THEY MADE KITES WITH BREAD SACKS, AND THE FUNNY PAPERS, AND HOW IT WAS A BIG THING IN THEIR FAMILY TO FLY KITES.

>> TWO STICKS, WITH A PIECE OF STRING THAT I RIPPED OUT OF A SUNNY SACK BECAUSE I WAS TOO POOR TO BUY A STRING.

AND YOU TIE YOUR KITES TOGETHER IN A DIAMOND SHAPE, AND YOU TIE YOUR STRING AROUND THE ENDS, GO ALL THE WAY AROUND TO EVERY END.

AND THEN YOU LIT ON A PIECE OF NEWSPAPER.

AND YOU TAKE WATER AND THROUGHER AND MAKE A PASTE.

AND THEN YOU FOLD THE PAPER OVER THE STRING AND LET IT DRY, AND THEN PUT YOUR ON IT AND IT FLIES.

THAT WAS THE FIRST KITE I OF MADE AS A KID YEARS AGO.

>> COOL KITES HAVE BEEN IN LONG BEACH, MISSISSIPPI NOW FOR ALMOST FIVE YEARS.

I DID NOT GROW UP ON THE GULF COAST.

I GREW UP IN FARMING COUNTRY IN INDIA, AND AT AN EARLY AGE I WAS TAUGHT TO FLY KITES BY MY GRANDFATHER.

AND WHEN I MOVED DOWN HERE I BEGAN SELLING KITES BECAUSE SUCH A GREAT PLACE TO SELL KITES.

AND FLY KITES.

AND STARTED TO SHOP HERE IN LONG BEACH.

SECOND SATURDAY IS SOMETHING THAT I STARTED A WHILE BACK.

I WANTED PEOPLE TO BE FLYING KITES.

I WANTED TO FLY KITES MYSELF, AND SO I KIND OF SET UP THAT I WAS GOING TO FLY ON THE SECOND SATURDAY OF EVERY MONTH, NO MATTER WHAT.

AND RAIN, SLEET, SNOW, WHATEVER, I WAS GOING TO STICK TO THE SECOND SATURDAY OF EVERY SINGLE MONTH.

BACK IN THE BEGINNING, THERE WERE REALLY JUST TWO PEOPLE WHO WERE SHOWING UP TO FLY ON THE SECOND SATURDAY.

MYSELF AND A GENTLEMAN THAT WORKED FOR ME, DANIEL GIBSON.

NOW WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, APPROXIMATELY 50 PEOPLE.

THERE'S NO CLUB FOR SECOND SATURDAY.

THERE'S NO MEMBERSHIP.

THERE'S NO DUES.

ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS SHOW UP AND FLY YOUR OWN KITE AND IF YOU DON'T BRING YOUR KITE, YOU CAN FLY ONE OF OURS.

>> SOMETIMES IF YOU'RE BUILDING A CONCEPT KITE, OR ORIGINAL KITE, SOMETIMES IT TAKES A LONG TIME, IF YOU MAKE A KITE THAT ALREADY HAS THE PATTERN AND YOU HAVE THE PIECES YOU KNOW YOU HAVE TO CUT THE PIECES AND SEW THEM ALTOGETHER.

THAT USUALLY DOESN'T TAKE TOO LONG.

I STARTED ABOUT A YEAR AGO GIVING SOME OF THE KITES AWAY THAT I COLLECTED FOR YEARS, SMALL KITES THAT I DON'T FLY ANYMORE.

AND I THINK I PROBABLY HAD ABOUT 350 KITES IN MY LIFETIME.

KITE FLYING IS GOOD FOR THE SOUL, MAN.

IT IS.

IT RELAXES YOU.

KITE FLYING IS GOOD FOR THE WHOLE COMMUNITY.

PEOPLE COME OUT.

THEY TALK.

THEY ENJOY EACH OTHER'S COMPANY.

THEY ENJOY THE KITES IN THE SKY, JUST FUN FOR EVERYBODY OF EVERY AGE.

GRANDPARENTS, IT'S YOUR OBLIGATION AS A GRAND PARENT TO TEACH YOUR GRANDCHILDREN HOW TO MAKE AND FLY KITES AND HOW TO HAVE THIS TYPE OF ENJOYMENT THAT THEY CAN IN TURN PASS ON TO THEIR CHILDREN AND THEIR GRANDCHILDREN.

PARENTS, IT'S THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO TEACH THEIR KIDS HOW TO FLY KITES OR MAKE SURE THAT GRANDMA AND GRANDPA TEACH THE KIDS HOW TO FLY KITES.

BUT IT NEEDS TO BE HANDED DOWN FROM GENERATION TO GENERATION.

AND IT'S THE THING THAT MAKES FAMILIES FAMILIES.

>>> A LOT OF FUN.

ON THE NEXT EDITION OF "OKLAHOMA NEWS REPORT," A LITTLE PUPPY BURIED UNDER DEBRIS FOR FIVE DAYS FOLLOWING THE MOORE TORNADO IN 2013.

RESCUED, AND NOW HE'S RESCUING HUMANS.

>>> WE'RE GOING DO SAY SO LONG WITH A LOOK AT THE MOVING VISION EXHIBIT AT THE OKLAHOMA CITY ART MUSEUM, PHOTOGRAPHED AND EDITED BY ERIC WHATMAN.

FOR ALL OF US ON "OKLAHOMA NEWS REPORT," I'M RICH LENZ.

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