>> THANKS FOR JOINING US ON CHICAGO TONIGHT.

I'M PARIS SCHUTZ.

HERE'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

>> IT LOOKS HAD A FILTER OVER THEM OR SOMETHING.

IT WAS REALLY UNUSUAL.

>> HUNDREDS GATHER AT ADLER PLANETARIUM TO CATCH A GLIMPSE OF THE SOLAR ECLIPSE.

IT'S ON SO MANY PEOPLE'S MINDS.

THIS ELECTION SEASON THAT WE TALK ABOUT HAVING CONVERSATIONS ACROSS POLITICAL DIVIDES WITH 2 UNLIKELY FRIENDS.

THE >> THE PEOPLE WHO PAY THE >> AND FORMER GOVERNOR PAT QUINN WANTS VOTERS TO WEIGH IN ON TAXPAYER FUNDING FOR NEW STADIUMS.

FIRST OFF, MILLIONS OF PEOPLE ACROSS THE COUNTRY HAVE THEIR EYES SET ON THE SKY TODAY TO WITNESS THE GREAT AMERICAN ECLIPSE REPORTER JOANNA HERNANDEZ JOINS US LIVE FROM THE ADLER PLANETARIUM TO SHARE WHAT IT WAS LIKE WATCHING THIS CELESTIAL SHOW IN CHICAGO.

JOANNA, WHAT WAS IT LIKE?

HAHA.

>> WELL, IS I HAD NEVER SEEN ECLIPSE FIRSTHAND IN.

IT DID NOT DISAPPOINT.

IT WAS QUITE SPECTACULAR TO JUST WATCHING.

JUST SEE ALL THESE PEOPLE COME TOGETHER BESIDES THE BEAUTIFUL WEATHER.

THE BEST PART OF THIS DAY WAS JUST WATCHING PEOPLE GATHER AND WATCH THEIR EXCITEMENT CURIOSITY WAITING TO SEE THAT PARTIALLY COVER OVER THAT SENT, OF COURSE, WITH THEIR SOLAR ECLIPSE GLASSES LIKE THE GIANT ONES THAT WE SEE RIGHT BEHIND ME.

HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE OF ALL AGES GATHERED OUTSIDE THE ADLER PLANETARIUM OR THE MUSEUM HOSTED A VIEWING PARTY WITH DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES FOR PEOPLE TO ENJOY.

THERE ARE MULTIPLE ECLIPSE FANS WITH TELESCOPES CAMERAS AND EVEN DIY DEVICES SPREAD THROUGHOUT THE MUSEUM CAMPUS.

WE TALKED WITH ONE CHICAGO IN WHO TOOK HER SON OUT OF SCHOOL OUT OF SCHOOL TO WATCH THEIR FIRST ECLIPSE TOGETHER.

>> I LOVE THIS YOU COVERED THIS CREATED THIS.

I PUT GLASSES OVER THE CAMERA AND ALSO OVER MAN BECAUSE I ON THE NEWS ONLY WAY YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE IT IS TO COVER.

SO I AT HOME TODAY TO COVER SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO SEE IT.

>> AND SHE HAD THE RIGHT IDEA.

THE ONLY WAY TO SEE THE CLIPS THROUGH YOUR CAMERA LENS WAS TO PLACE A SOLAR FILTER OVER THROUGHOUT THE DAY.

THE PLANETARIUM PASSED OUT THOSE SPECIAL FILTERS FOR PEOPLE TO USE.

THE PROCESS BEGAN AROUND 12.

41, THAT'S WHEN YOU STARTED TO SEE THE MOON COVER THE SUN SLOWLY AND THE CLIPS.

TRUE INTERESTS WORLDWIDE.

WE MET A MAN WHO CAME FROM WHAT A LOT TO WATCH THIS PHENOMENON.

WE ALSO SPOKE WITH THE MAN WHO BOUGHT HIS FIRST TELESCOPE TO EXPERIENCE THIS MOMENT.

>> OUR FIRST AND USE SOME THAT WANT TO LEARN CAN INTO ASTROLOGY.

HAVE YOU EVER SEEN A AND LOVE WHAT WE THINK IS SO FASCINATING ABOUT WATCHING THE CLIPS?

WILL I DO A RESEARCH IN HISTORY.

SO, YOU KNOW, BACK TO MY EYES, NOT JUST YOU IS CAN THIS GET BACK THAT IN THE DAYLIGHT AND THEY JUST CROSS OVER THE SET HAVE LED US IT DOWN TO YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE THING'S BLOCKED THE TOO, IS THEIR >> AND HE'S RIGHT.

IT WAS AMAZING TO WATCH AT THE PEAK OF THE ECLIPSE AROUND 02:00PM.

THE SKY DARKENED IT DIDN'T GET COMPLETELY DARK, SAYS IT WAS A PARTIAL ECLIPSE.

BUT YOU SAW THE SKY DAM IN THE TEMPERATURE DROP.

IT WAS A SENSORY EXPERIENCE.

WE WATCH ECLIPSE FANS TAKEN EVERY MOMENT OF THE CARS MAKE SPECTACULAR.

>> LET START ALL THE WIN.

>> IT REALLY WINDY.

IT'S A REALLY WEIRD BECAUSE JUST NEVER HAPPENED LEFT NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE IT.

AND I TOOK THE DAY OFF TO GO THE PLANETARIUM.

AND THEY SAID THAT THIS IS LIKE THE LAST TIME IN OUR LIFETIME.

BUT WE'LL SEE ANYTHING LIKE THIS YEAR THAT THE NEXT WAS IN 2019.

WILL IF I MAKE IT WILL BE 109 >> AND YOU HEARD RIGHT?

ACCORDING TO NASA, THE NEXT TOTAL SOLAR ECLIPSE IN ILLINOIS IS HAPPENING IN 2099.

THAT'S 75 YEARS FROM NOW.

SO IF I MAKE IT THAT FAR, I WILL ALSO BE 109 PARIS.

ANYONE HAS CALLED ARE GOING TO BE.

>> DON'T ASK THAT, JOANNA, BUT I THINK WE'RE BOTH STILL BE HERE.

THERE'S, YOU KNOW, TECHNOLOGY IS ADVANCING 109 IS GOING TO BE YOUNG AT SOME POINT IN OUR LIFETIME.

SO IT WAS SO WELL AS THE CITY LIKE, WHAT ARE THE WHAT ARE THE SKYLINE LOOKS LIKE?

WHAT WHAT WAS THE ATMOSPHERE THERE WHEN IT HAPPENED?

>> THE ATMOSPHERE, I MEAN, YOU COULD HEAR PEOPLE SCREAMING.

I HEARD SOME PEOPLE GET EMOTIONAL, EVEN JUST LOOKING AT THE SKY THINK SOME PEOPLE ARE JUST DISBELIEF WAS THE BEST PART OF IT WAS JUST KIND OF WATCHING THE PROGRESSION.

EVERY TIME THAT I WOULD LOOK LOOK UP, YOU CAN KIND OF START SEEING THE MOON COVER THE SIGN.

AND THEN FINALLY, IT JUST FELT LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE COULD ONLY SEE SOME OF THE SUN AND YOU COULD JUST IT WAS REALLY INTERESTING BECAUSE IT GOT REALLY COLD AND WINDY.

AND THEN EVERY EVERYBODY'S JUST QUIET, KIND OF JUST TAKING THAT MOMENT TO TAKE IT IN.

AND HOW COOL IS IT THAT WORLDWIDE PEOPLE ARE ALSO EXPERIENCING THE SAME THING?

>> YEAH, AND I KNOW OUR COLLEAGUE AND FRIEND AMANDA VINIK IS IN IN THE OF TOTALITY IS WE'VE GOT TO GET A REPORT FROM HER.

I WAS HERE AT THE STUDIOS WITH THE ENTIRE WTW STAFF.

WE'RE ALL LOOKING UP.

IT WAS COOL.

HOW THE TEMPERATURE DROP REALLY QUICKLY.

ALL THE SUDDEN GOT WINDY.

I GOT, YOU KNOW, SEMI DARK, ALTHOUGH NOT QUITE AS DARK AS I GUESS, THAT THE FOLKS IN THE PATH OF TOTALITY.

BUT ON OFF BRING EVERYONE TOGETHER.

JOANNA, NICE ASSIGNMENT TODAY GET HOME SAFE.

WE'LL TALK TO SOON.

AND UP NEXT, PRESIDENT BIDEN HITS TOWN FOR A BIG FUNDRAISER.

>> COVERAGE OF SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY ON CHICAGO TONIGHT IS MADE POSSIBLE IN PART BY JOEL M FRIEDMAN, PRESIDENT OF THE ALVIN H BOMB FAMILY FUN.

>> NOW MORE TODAY'S TOP STORIES.

PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN IS IN TOWN FOR A MAJOR FUNDRAISER TODAY.

ACCORDING TO THE SUN-TIMES, THE PRESIDENT IS EXPECTED TO RAISE ABOUT 2.5 MILLION DOLLARS AND AN EVENT SPONSORED BY DEMOCRATIC DONORS, MICHAEL SACKS AND MORE RICKETTS.

CHICAGO IS, OF COURSE, THE HOST CITY FOR THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL CONVENTION WHERE PRESIDENT BIDEN IS EXPECTED TO BE RENOMINATED.

TODAY'S FUNDRAISER IS NOT RAISING MONEY FOR THAT JUST FOR HIS CAMPAIGN, ACCORDING TO THE SUN-TIMES, BIDEN ALSO STOP IN WISCONSIN TODAY TO ANNOUNCE A NEW STUDENT LOAN FORGIVENESS PLAN.

THE PRESIDENT'S SECOND ATTEMPT TO IMPLEMENT STUDENT LOAN FORGIVENESS AFTER HIS FIRST PLAN WAS STRUCK DOWN BY THE SUPREME COURT.

NEW PLANS TARGET SPECIFIC GROUPS OF BORROWERS IF IMPLEMENTED IS PROPOSED BORROWERS COULD SEE RELIEF IF DAY HAVE BALANCE IS BIGGER THAN WHAT THEY ORIGINALLY BORROWED.

QUALIFY FOR FORGIVENESS UNDER EXISTING PROGRAMS BUT NOT APPLIED, ENTERED REPAYMENT AT LEAST 20 YEARS AGO ENROLLED IN LOW FINANCIAL VALUE PROGRAMS OR ARE EXPERIENCING FINANCIAL HARDSHIP.

WE HAVE MORE DETAILS ON THIS PLAN ON OUR WEBSITE.

AND U.S. SECRET SECURITY OFFICIALS.

SECRET SERVICE OFFICIALS SAY THEY'RE BEGINNING TO CANVASS NEIGHBORHOODS AROUND THE UNITED CENTER TO GET INPUT FROM NEIGHBORS ON A SECURITY PLAN FOR THE DNC.

SECRET SERVICE SAYS IT HAS SENT TEAMS WALKING DOOR TO DOOR TO GET INPUT UNANSWERED QUESTIONS FROM RESIDENTS.

THE DNC IS SCHEDULED TO TAKE PLACE AUGUST 19 THROUGH THE 22ND AT THE UNITED CENTER.

ILLINOIS, PUBLIC OFFICIALS AND OTHER DIGNITARIES ARE MOURNING THE DEATH OF COOK COUNTY CLERK KAREN YARBROUGH YARBOROUGH WAS ELECTED IN 2018.

THE FIRST BLACK WOMAN TO SERVE AS COUNTY CLERK AFTER A LONG CAREER IN POLITICS, INCLUDING STINTS AS AN ILLINOIS STATE REPRESENTATIVE AND COOK COUNTY'S RECORDER OF DEEDS.

MAYOR BRANDON JOHNSON CALLED YARBOROUGH A PIONEER COMMITTED TO SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC JUSTICE WHILE COOK COUNTY BOARD.

PRESIDENT TONI PRECKWINKLE CALLED HER QUOTE TRAIL.

BUT BLAZER AND FRIEND DIED AFTER BEING TAKEN TO THE HOSPITAL FOR AN UNDISCLOSED SERIOUS ILLNESS AND A SPECIAL ELECTION WILL LIKELY BE HELD IN NOVEMBER FOR A NEW CLERK.

CONDOLENCES TO ALL OF THE ARROWS LOVED ONES.

AND UP NEXT, HOW 2 VERY DIFFERENT PEOPLE PUT ASIDE POLITICAL DIVISIONS.

THAT'S RIGHT.

AFTER THIS.

>> CHICAGO TONIGHT IS MADE POSSIBLE IN PART WHY THE ALEXANDRA AND JOHN NICHOLS FAMILY.

THE GYM AND K MAYBE FAMILY.

THE POPE BROTHERS FOUNDATION.

AND THE SUPPORT OF THESE DONORS.

>> 2 DADS, GOOD FRIENDS, DIVERGENT POLITICAL VIEWS.

ONE IS A FORMER ILLINOIS CONGRESSMAN AND FORMER SUPPORTER TURNED CRITIC OF DONALD TRUMP.

THE OTHER AN ADVOCATE FOR GUN SAFETY AFTER THE TRAGIC KILLING OF HIS SCHOOL AGED DAUGHTER.

AND NOW THEY'VE COME TOGETHER FOR THE 2 DADS STORE TO TRY AND BRIDGE THE TOXIC POLITICAL DIVIDE IN THE COUNTRY.

LATEST STOP HAS THEM AT DOMINICAN UNIVERSITY IN RIVER FOREST TOMORROW NIGHT WHERE I GREW UP.

JOINING US ARE JOE WALSH, FORMER REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN FOR ILLINOIS AND HOST OF THE PODCAST WHITE FLAG, WHICH WILL LAST AND FRED GUTTENBERG WHOSE DAUGHTER JAIME GUTTENBERG WAS MURDERED IN THE PARKLAND SCHOOL SHOOTING IN 2018.

HE IS NOW DEDICATED HIS LIFE TO FIGHTING FOR GUN SAFETY IN AMERICA.

JOE, GREAT TO SEE YOU, FRED.

WELCOME TO CHICAGO TONIGHT.

JOEY, THE 2 OF YOU STARTED OFF A SPARRING PARTNERS AND OPPONENTS ON TWITTER AND IT WAS FOR REALLY WEREN'T PLAY ACTING.

HOW DID YOU COME TOGETHER AND PARIS?

IT WAS FOR REAL.

WE DID WHAT MOST OF AMERICA DOT DOES.

>> FRED AND I DISAGREED ON GUN.

SO WE YELLED AT EACH OTHER.

WE HURLED INSULTS AT EACH OTHER.

WHAT I'M SOCIAL MEDIA AND TV.

WE WENT AFTER EACH OTHER IN THE WORST WAY.

AND THEN WE REACHED OUT TO EACH OTHER PRIVATELY.

AND THAT REALLY IS WHAT STARTED IT.

AND THEN WE STARTED TO SPEAK PRIVATELY, GOT TO KNOW EACH OTHER AND ACTUALLY BEGIN TO FIND SOME COMMON GROUND FOR WHAT WAS YOUR IMPRESSION THE FORMER CONGRESSMAN HERE WENT WHEN YOU WERE BEFORE BEFORE HE REACHED OUT TO YOU?

>> YOU KNOW, THE DAY AFTER MY DAUGHTER WAS KILLED, I WENT ON A MISSION TO DESTROY GUN LOBBY AND ALL OF THOSE WHO I THOUGHT PUSHED IDEAS OF THE GUN LOBBY AT THE EXPENSE OF YOUR SAFETY.

JOE WAS ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIE DETERMINED.

I WAS GOING GO AFTER BECAUSE I THOUGHT HE WAS WRONG ON A LOT OF THINGS.

AND I DIDN'T REALLY CARE FOR THE WHITE THAT HE USED IT CONSIDER IT TO BE TRUTHFUL.

AND SO HE AND I SPENT A COUPLE OF YEARS GOING BACK AND FORTH BUT JOE MADE THE FIRST AFTER JOE RESPONSE TO AN EXCHANGE THAT WE WERE HAVING AT ONE POINT SAID, YOU KNOW, I DON'T AGREE WITH YOU, BUT I REALLY RESPECT WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO.

IT LED TO THIS UNEXPECTED CONVERSATION BETWEEN US WHERE WE REALIZE WE'RE 2 DADS WITH FAMILIES.

WE LOVE WITH PEOPLE IN OUR LIVES WHO WE CARE ABOUT.

I WANT TO KEEP SAFE AND WE STARTED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE.

AND WE DISCOVERED LIKED EACH OTHER WE'VE BECOME FRIENDS AND WE BOTH NOW ARE IN A PLACE WHERE IN SPITE OF DIFFERENCES THAT WE HAVE, WHICH ARE MANY WE ON THE NEED TO DEFEND DEMOCRACY WE'RE GOING TO THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO IN THIS COUNTRY AND IN PARIS, BY THE WAY, THAT'S THE REALLY IMPORTANT POINT.

>> FRED AND I STILL DISAGREE.

I'M NEAR EVERYTHING IT WE'VE GOT A BIG ELECTION THIS YEAR.

NO MATTER WHO WINS IN NOVEMBER, WE'RE GOING TO BE EVEN MORE DIVIDED.

AND IF WE DON'T GET OFF OF THIS ROAD WHERE WE TREAT THE PEOPLE WHO WE DISAGREE WITH AS OUR MORTAL ENEMIES.

FRED, IN I DON'T BELIEVE OUR DEMOCRACY CAN STAND.

WELL, FRED, IT'S GOING TO BE VERY PERSONAL TO YOU.

WHEN YOU SEE PEOPLE THAT.

>> THAT, YOU KNOW, ARE GUNG ABOUT SECOND AMENDMENT AND GUN RIGHTS AND DON'T WANT ANY KIND OF PROTECTIONS AT ALL.

HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH THAT?

YOU KNOW, WHEN THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS SO CLOSE TO YOU.

>> YOU KNOW, I LOVE THE WAY ASK YOUR QUESTION.

GREAT THING IS THAT I SEE THIS IS A SECOND AMENDMENT ISSUE.

BECAUSE I DON'T I WAS AND I'M A SUPPORTER OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT.

WISH HE WOULD COME I GUN VIOLENCE.

AND I THINK FOR ME HELPING PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT ENGAGING THEM IN CONVERSATION IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT FIRST STEP.

YOU KNOW, JOE JUST SAID WE STILL DISAGREE DOWN THE ROAD WITHIN THE TRUTH ACTUALLY WE DO.

THERE'S IN PROCESS OF TALKING.

WE'VE DISCOVERED A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE WE DISAGREE ON A LOT.

BUT THE COSTS WE TALK, WE'VE ALSO COME TO REALIZE THERE ARE THINGS WE AGREE ON.

YOU KNOW, THIS IS HOW DEMOCRACY WORKS.

OPPOSING POINTS OF VIEW COMING TOGETHER TO HAVE THE HARD CONVERSATIONS TO FIND COMMON GROUND.

I WANT ANYONE WHO THINKS, BUT THEY DISAGREE WITH ME WHO THINKS AN TYPE GUY OR ANTI SECOND AMENDMENT GUY TO TAKE THE TIME TO JUST PAUSE FOR A SECOND AND TALK TO ME ABOUT WHAT I THINK BECAUSE WHAT I WANT TO DO IS REDUCE GUN VIOLENCE.

AND I THINK MOST PEOPLE WHO THINK THEY DISAGREE WITH AGREE ON THAT.

JOE, I KNOW YOU ARE A A GUN.

RIGHT.

SKIES.

SO DID YOU CHANGE YOUR PERSPECTIVE AT DUTY YOUR FRIENDSHIP WITH SPEAKING WITH FRED OVER THE COURSE OF THE YEAR.

>> DID OPEN MY EYES TO SOME ISSUES.

PARISH RIGHT?

I'M A BY MY DEAD COLD COLD, DEAD HANDS.

KIND OF A GUN GUY.

BUT LISTENING TO HIM MADE ME REALIZE THERE'S MORE WE CAN DO BEFORE A GUN IS BROUGHT EXPANDING BACKGROUND CHECKS.

BEFORE I MET WITH FRED ANOTHER GUN SAFETY ADVOCATES.

I NEVER WANT OPEN MY MIND TO REFORMS LIKE THAT, BUT I GET IT FROM.

WHAT ABOUT YOU ARE THERE ARE THE THINGS THAT MAYBE YOU MODIFIED TO YOUR VIEWS ON AS A RESULT OF TALKING TO JOE.

YOU KNOW, I DON'T LOOK AT EVERYONE WITH AN OPPOSING POINT VIEW AS BEING EVIL ANYMORE.

>> AND HONESTLY, WHILE IT IS TRUE THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO MAY BE WRONG.

SOME OF THESE LOBBY GROUPS LIKE THE NRA OR IN THESE COMPANIES THAT PUSHED SALES THE EXPENSE OF SAFETY.

WHY DO YOU THINK?

OUR EVIL?

I THINK THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS.

ACTUALLY OUR LIKE JOE AND THEY WANT TO FIND A WAY TO SOLVE THIS.

AND I THINK THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS BENEFIT FROM CONVERSATION WHERE WE TALK ABOUT WAYS TO REDUCE THE GUN VIOLENCE TO 3.

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WAYS TO REDUCE INSTANCES OF GUN VIOLENCE.

AND WHERE THE FIRST COUPLE YEARS MY ANGER EMOTION REALLY DROVE ME TO JUST.

JUST ROY AND DEMONIZE A POINT OF I WANT TO WORK WITH PEOPLE FIND THE WAYS.

TO SAVE LIVES, TO SOUND LIKE WELL.

>> IF LAWMAKERS FOCUSED ON OUTCOMES, EVERYONE WANTS THE SAME OUTCOME AS OPPOSED PERHAPS THE THE PROCESS OR WHAT?

YOU KNOW, THERE FIRMLY HELD BELIEFS.

HE MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING.

YOU'RE SO JOE, THIS IS BEING PLAYED OUT ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

FAMILY MEMBERS DON'T TALK TO EACH OTHER ANYMORE.

DON'T TALK TO EACH OTHER ANYMORE.

YOU'VE HAD LOT OF FALLING OUT WITH YES FRIENDS.

SO HOW DO YOU TO SPEAK TO EACH OTHER AND DISAGREE WITHOUT BEING DISAGREEABLE?

COUPLE THINGS WE GET REALLY WOUND UP IN PASSIONATE WHEN WE TALK STILL, WE DO DISAGREE ON A NUMBER OF THINGS.

STILL, FRED NIGHT FOR A RULE, THOUGH.

LISTEN TO THE OTHER PERSON.

ALWAYS TRY TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM.

EVEN IF YOU FIND NO COMMON GROUND AND EVERY CONVERSATION, FRED, AND I HAVE NO MATTER HOW YOU KNOW IT GETS WE ALWAYS END WITH A HUG.

WE ALWAYS END WITH AN EMBRACE NO MATTER TO THINK.

>> DO SOME ONE THING TO WHAT YOU SENT.

BECAUSE COMB TO KNOW EACH OTHER AND TALKED REGULARLY.

WE'VE COME TO TRUST ONE ANOTHER.

WE QUESTION EACH MOTIVES WHEN IT COMES TO A POINT OF VIEW, WE'VE COME TOO TRUSTING TO TALK IT THROUGH.

>> THERE ARE STILL ISSUES WHERE YOU'RE JUST JOE, I GOT TO GET YOU TO MY SIDE ON I REALLY DISAGREE WITH >> JOHN KNOWS TO GO WITH THIS BECAUSE I'M DETERMINED JOE WAS STILL NOT WITH ME ON THE NEED TO RAISE THE AGE TO 21.

TO YES, I'M NOT JUST FOR ME.

A REALLY BIG YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALSO TALKED A LOT ABOUT RED FLAG.

I THINK JOE'S IS I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR JOE.

HE'S COME A LOT CLOSER TO ME THERE.

ON HE MIGHT HAVE BEEN SOME TIME AGO, BUT HE'S NOT THERE YET ON 21.

AND AND I THINK THAT'S A PROBLEM.

>> ALL RIGHT.

WELL, THERE THERE'S HOPE HERE, THOUGH, THAT THE 2 OF YOU YOU MIGHT DISAGREE ON THAT, BUT YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO AT SOME POINT GAME.

ALL RIGHT.

THAT'S THE 2 DADS DEFENDING DEMOCRACY.

IT'S A TOUR THAT WILL MAKE A STOP IN RIVER FOREST TOMORROW NIGHT AT 7 AT DOMINICAN UNIVERSITY.

YOU CAN FIND MORE INFORMATION ON THAT EVENT ON OUR WEBSITE.

AND UP NEXT, SHOULD VOTERS WEIGH IN ON WHETHER PUBLIC FUNDS SHOULD BE USED FOR NEW STADIUMS?

EXPLORE THAT TOPIC RIGHT AFTER THIS.

AND >> IT'S BEEN NEARLY 25 YEARS SINCE FORMER GOVERNOR PAT QUINN CALLED FOR A REFERENDUM ON WHETHER THE BEARS SHOULD GET TAX DOLLARS FOR THE TEAMS, COSTLY SOLDIER FIELD RENOVATION.

HIS EFFORTS WERE SHOT DOWN AND TAXPAYERS ARE STILL ON THE HOOK FOR SOME 600 MILLION DOLLARS OF THAT REHAB EFFORT.

EVEN THOUGH THE BEARS MIGHT NOT PLAY AT SOLDIER FIELD MUCH LONGER.

NOW AS THE BEARS AND WHITE SOX ARE ON THE HUNT FOR TAXPAYER CASH TO FUND NEW STADIUMS, QUINN SAYS IT'S ONCE AGAIN TIME TO ASK VOTERS, BUT THEY THINK AND JOINING US IS FORMER ILLINOIS GOVERNOR PAT QUINN.

SO GOVERNOR QUINN, YOU FILED AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.

YOU YOU WANT, YOU WANT SOME OLDER PEOPLE TO GET PAST.

WHAT WHAT SPECIFICALLY ARE YOU CALLING FOR?

WHAT THE MAYOR IN THE CITY COUNCIL TO PUT IT ON THE NOVEMBER >> THE ORDINANCE CALLS FOR A STRAIGHTFORWARD QUESTION.

SHOULD TAXPAYER SUBSIDY BE USED TO HELP THE BEARS IN THE WHITE SOX?

BUILD NEW STADIUMS OR REAL ESTATE OTHER PLACES AROUND THE COUNTRY.

OTHER CITIES ARE VOTING ON THESE REFERENDUMS JUST LAST WEEK IN KANSAS CITY.

BUT HERE IN CHICAGO, THE UP TO NOW THE POLITICIANS DON'T WANT THE PEOPLE TO BE HEARD.

AND SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO REALLY WORK HARD TO THE FEW WEEKS TO GET THOSE MAYOR, ESPECIALLY TO BE A LEADER HERE.

GIVE VOTERS A CHANCE TO VOTE A REFERENDUM THAT REALLY MATTERS.

AND WE KNOW THE HISTORY HERE.

WELL, THERE'S A PROPOSAL FOR A THE NEW WHITE SOX STADIUM, JERRY REINSDORF, THE WHITE SOX OWNER GOT THE CURRENT STADIUM FUNDED NEARLY ENTIRELY BY TAXPAYERS.

>> OF SOLDIER FIELD TO THE RENOVATIONS AND WE'RE STILL PAYING THAT OFF 660 MILLION DOLLARS IS WHAT THE COST IS, INTEREST PAYMENTS AND WE'LL BE PAYING FOR THE NEXT 8 YEARS.

2032 AND THE BEARS NOW WANT TO TEAR DOWN SOLDIER FIELD LEAVE.

ONLY THE COLONY AND THEN BUILD NEW STADIUM FOR THEMSELVES AND IN THE PARKING LOT SOUTH OF SOLDIER WHEN YOU SAY TAXPAYERS FOOTING THE BILL, DO YOU MEAN FOR THE STADIUM ITSELF OR FOR INFRASTRUCTURE AROUND THEIR CAUSE?

LOT OF TEAMS PROPOSE WELL, CAN YOU HELP US OUT WITH SOME ROADS, INFRASTRUCTURE?

MAYBE YOU KNOW, IF WE DEVELOP AROUND THERE?

WELL, A LOT OF THEIR PROPOSAL SOUND GOOD.

IF YOU SAY IT FAST, YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW THE DETAILS, PARTICULARLY WITH BEARS.

IT'S VERY MURKY.

WHAT EXACTLY THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING AS FAR AS TAXPAYER MONEY.

SO IT'S BETTER FIRST AS THE TAXPAYERS, YOU WON'T EVEN GET INTO YOU KNOW, 660 MILLION COULD HAVE PAID FOR A LOT OF HOUSING FOR PEOPLE WHO NEED HOUSING IN CHICAGO A LOT OF OTHER THINGS, WHETHER IT'S PUBLIC SAFETY LURE WE SHOULD JUST INVEST THEIR MONEY IN SPORTS STADIUMS WE ALREADY HAVE SOLDIER FIELD.

WE HAVE MODELED INTO A SPACESHIP.

>> BY THE TAXPAYERS AND I GO TO WAS IN THE UPPER DECK OF WAY PARK FOR OPENING DAY.

IT LOOKS GOOD TO ME.

MY CONDOLENCES TO ARE THEY'RE GOING FOR ONE 9.

SO HOW DIFFERENT DO YOU THINK THE BEAR SITUATION WOULD BE HAD THE VOTERS HAD YOUR REFERENDUM PASSING?

VOTERS HAD TO SAY PERHAPS THEY WOULD HAVE VOTED DOWN THAT PLAN.

WE WOULD SAVE ALL THAT MONEY MATTER OF FACT, THE BEARS HIT STRUCK A DEAL AND NEAR DAILY WHERE THE BEARS WOULD SELL.

THE NAME OF SOLDIER FIELD IS GOING TO BE SOLD TO BANK ONE.

>> SO IT'S GOING TO BE BANK.

ONE FIELD AT SOLDIER FIELD AND THE YOU KNOW, 300 MILLION DOLLARS WAS GOING TO BE GIVEN TO THE BEARS JUST FOR THIS WAS MAYBE IT WAS AFTER 9.11 WHERE THE MAYOR CAME OUT AND SAID, WELL, NOW YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T CHANGE THE NAME SOLDIER FIELD, THE KIND OF STRONG ARM THEM ON THAT WE HAVE THAT WE PUT IN THE MAYOR'S PRECINCT, US HOME ADVISORY QUESTION, AT LEAST IN THE PRECINCT.

SHOULD WE SELL THE NAME OF SOLDIER FIELD WAR MEMORIAL IN PEOPLE VOTED?

NO.

I THINK MAYOR GOT THE WORD AND I THINK CURRENT MAYOR, YOU KNOW, HE RAN A CAMPAIGN OF GRASSROOTS DEMOCRACY.

THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT KANSAS CITY.

THEY HAD A PATRICK MAHOMES AND TRAVIS TRAVIS KELSEY AND ALL THESE GUYS SAYING VOTE YES FOR A REFERENDUM TAX PAYER MONEY FOR A NEW STADIUM FOR THE CHIEFS.

VOTERS SAID NO, WE LIKE YOU GUYS ON THE FIELD, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO PAY FOR.

AND THIS WAS ONLY 3 ACE OF A SALES TO A LOT OF MONEY.

YEAH.

AEDS UP AFTER A WHILE.

YEAH.

POINT OF THE MATTER IS FOR TOO LONG IN ILLINOIS IN CHICAGO, VOTERS HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO VOTE ISSUES AS WELL AS CANDIDATES.

THAT'S WHAT REFERENDUMS ARE ALL ABOUT.

BELIEVE IN REFERENCE SOMEONE CAN MAKE THE ARGUMENT, THOUGH, WE SAY IN CALIFORNIA THEY GOVERNED BY REFERENDUM A LOT MORE THAN AN IN ILLINOIS.

IT COULD GET MINUTES MISSOURI, MIDWEST STATES HAVE ALL KINDS OF REFERENDUMS PUT THE BALLOT BY VOTERS.

A LOT OF TIMES INSIDERS DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT ALL FROM THE PUBLIC SO THEY DON'T LIKE REFERENDUMS, BUT IT'S TIME NOW TO TAKE CHARGE.

IS WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT, WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO NEED.

ALLIES IN CITY COUNCIL CARRY THIS FORWARD.

YOU HAVE ANYBODY.

I'VE SAID ALL INFORMATION, THE COSTS TO THE MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

AND I COULD GET A HOLD OF AND I'M HOPEFUL THEY COULD THEY SEE THE LIGHT.

I THINK A LOT OF COUNCIL MEMBERS KNOW THAT WE HAVE PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUES.

WE DEFINITELY HAVE HOUSING ISSUES.

WE JUST HAD A REFERENDUM THAT WAS ON THE BALLOT DEALING WITH HOUSING, BRING HOME CHICAGO.

WELL, DIDN'T PASS.

BUT GIVING MORE MONEY TO THE BEARS TO BUILD ANOTHER STADIUM SO THEY CAN TEAR DOWN THE ONE THEY GOT.

THAT DOESN'T MAKE MUCH SENSE FOR HOUSING.

YOU KNOW, WE NEED A PREVENT DEFENSE AGAINST THE BEARS FOR TAXPAYERS TO WITH THEY'RE NOT WELL, YOU KNOW, THE WHITE SOX OWNER, FIRST OF ALL, WE HAVE TO GUESS THAT HE WOULD GO DOWN IN SPRINGFIELD HAT IN HAND, ASKING FOR NEARLY THE WHOLE.

>> THE WHOLE POT OF MONEY HERE FOR HIS NEW STADIUM.

BEAUTIFUL, THOUGH THOSE PLANS MAYBE SAYS MIGHT HAVE TO MOVE THE TEAM.

IF IF YOU CAN'T GET SOME AS A WHITE SOX FAN, ARE YOU WORRIED ABOUT THE THE OWNERS, A TRUSTEE FOR THE FANS?

I'M A FAN OF LIFELONG FAN AND SACKS.

WHEN I WAS GOVERNOR I WAS FOR THE SAX.

THE CUBS AND SOMETIMES WHEN THE CARDINALS ARE IN THE PLAYOFFS, SOUTHERN ILLINOIS IS CARDINAL FAN BASEBALL THAT THE EAST ST. LOUIS BELLVILLE AREA.

IT'S IMPORTANT ST. LOUIS ONCE UPON A TIME, THE POINT IS FANS SHOULD COME FIRST.

TAXPAYERS SHOULD COME FIRST.

YOU KNOW, I'M A FAN OF ALL THE TEAMS, BUT I'M A FAN NUMBER ONE OF THE TAXPAYERS IN WE CAN'T HAVE BEEN CHICAGO, HUGE AMOUNTS OF MONEY, TAXPAYER MONEY GOING TO BUILD NEW STADIUMS.

WE HAVE SUCH CRANE NEEDS AND OTHER THINGS END.

>> GIVING PEOPLE A CHANCE AT THE BALLOT BOX TO SEND A MESSAGE TO THE MAYOR AND TO THE CITY COUNCIL IS THE HEALTHIEST WAY TO GO.

THE BEST WAY TO GO.

>> GOVERNOR, YOU FLIRTED YOU.

THIS IS NOT THE FIRST REFERENDUM IN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS.

YOU ASKED FOR TERM LIMITS.

THE FORMER MAYOR DIDN'T REALLY DO MUCH ON THAT.

NO, HE HE WENT TO THE TERM.

HE WENT A REFERENDUM PLASTIC STRAWS INSTEAD OF A BINDING REFERENDUM AND TERM LIMITS FOR THAT WAS A MANUAL.

THAT WAS A MAN.

BUT THEN THEN THEN UNDER LIGHTFOOT TO THE WE'RE PROPOSING SHE PUTTING ON THE YOU KNOW, EVERY OTHER BIG CITY IN AMERICA HAS A 2 TERM LIMIT.

AND THE MAYOR, NEW YORK, LOS ANGELES, PHILADELPHIA, HOUSTON, YOU NAME IT.

WE DON'T.

AND FOR 2 MILE LONG, I THINK WE WE SHOULD HAVE ON THE BALLOT FOR PEOPLE TO IT WOULD BE BINDING.

YOU THE PEOPLE OF CHICAGO PAY THE TAXES.

THEY SHOULD BE IN THE DRIVER'S SEAT, NOT JUST THE INSIDERS TELLING EVERYDAY PEOPLE LIVING FROM PAYCHECK TO PAYCHECK.

WHAT TO DO.

TIME FOR US TO SEND THE MESSAGE.

ALL RIGHT.

GOVERNOR CUOMO, THE MESSAGES OUT HERE ON CHICAGO TONIGHT.

I HAVE TO SAY YOU'RE MY LAST OFFICIAL INTERVIEW ON CHICAGO TONIGHT HERE, MY CAREERS WTW TO.

>> IT'S AN TO DO IT.

IT'S GOOD TO SEE.

I COVERED YOU FOR MANY YEARS AS VERY TIMES YOU KNOW, I WAS WITH JOHN CALLAWAY WHEN HE STARTED THIS SHOW ARE IN YOUR WORTHY SUCCESSOR.

THANK.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, GUY.

REALLY?

THAT'S THOSE ARE THAT'S HIGH PRAISE.

THANK YOU.

AND THAT'S OUR SHOW FOR THIS MONDAY NIGHT.

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NOW, FOR ALL OF US HERE IN CHICAGO TONIGHT, I'M PARIS SCHUTZ.

THANK YOU FOR WATCHING.

STAY HEALTHY AND SAFE AND HAVE A GREAT EVENING.

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