TIPS ALONG THE WAY.

>> OUR FREEDOM, OUR PERSONHOOD IS AT STAKE RIGHT NOW I DON'T KNOW THAT PEE HAVE QUITE GRASPED THAT ABLE.

>> IT TAKES A VILLAGE TO RAISE A CHILD.

HOW WERE WE IMPLICATED IN THE ACTIONS OF THE YOUNGEST AMONG US?

>> I'M PARIS AUSTIN AND THIS IS GBH ROOTED.

WELL, LOOK WHO'S HERE!

57 YEARS AGO, BOSTON WAS REELING IN THE WAKE OF DR. KING'S ASSASSINATION.

AMID THE CHAOS, A NEW VOICE EMERGED FOR THE PEOPLE AND BY THE PEOPLE FOR ALMOST 30 YEARS, SAY BROTHER WAS A SPACE TO CELEBRATE PEOPLE OF COLOR IN 1997, THE SHOW WAS REINVENTED AS BASIC BLACK.

TODAY WE KICK OFF A NEW ERA WITH SOME NEW CHALLENGES.

BUT TO UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE GOING, WE'VE GOT TO NOWHERE WE'VE BEEN AND NO MATTER THE TITLE OR TIME, BLACK JOURNALISTS HERE HAVE ALWAYS UNDERSTAND THE ASSIGNMENT .. >> 24 HOURS AGO, DR. KING DIED FOR ALL OF US.

>> IN THIS MOOD OF GREAT NATIONAL CONSCIOUS, SAY BROTHER WAS BORN.

♪ SAY BROTHER ♪ >> BROTHERS AND SISTERS, WELCOME TO SAY BROTHER.

SAY BROTHER CAME INTO EXISTENCE DESIGNED TO PLEASE OR APPEASE THE BLACK COMMUNITY.

>> I'D LIKE TO SEE US TAKE A LOOK LOOK AT THE SYSTEM.

>> THERE ARE MANY PROGRAMS THAT TOUCH OF LIVES OF PEOPLE.

>> SAY BROTHER IS FOR AND ABOUT THE BLACK COMMUNITY >> IT'S IMPORTANT TO SAY WHAT BLACK-CONTROLLED PROGRAMS ARE ATTEMPTING TO DO AND WHAT WHITE SPONSORED AND PRODUCERS ARE SAYING ABOUT BLACK AMERICA.

♪ >> WE WERE VERY CLEAR FOR THE MOST PART ON WHY WE WERE THERE.

>> TELLING THE STORY OF THE PEOPLE BY A PEOPLE FOR OUR PEOPLE.

>> WE ARE ON THE EVE OF A GREAT BEGINNING.

>> SAY BROTHER DID SHOWS AND EXPOSED PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY ABOUT DIFFERENT AREAS, POLICE BRUTALITY, EDUCATION THAT THEY COULD NOT REALLY GET FROM OTHER SOURCES.

>> THIS HAS BEEN A PLATFORM TO EXPLORE ALL KINDS OF REEL -- REALLY IMPORTANT CONVERSATIONS.

>> FROM THE WORD GO, IT WAS HAMMERED INTO US THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS PROGRAM AND THE LOVE OF THIS PROGRAM >> AND 57 YEARS LATER, IT'S STILL LOVE.

GBH ROOTED WE FIND OURSELVES IN A POSITION WHERE WE START AN GIVEN WHERE WE'VE BEEN AND WHERE WE'RE GOING, ARE WE READY FOR THE NEXT CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT AND WHAT COULD IT LOOK LIKE?

WE'RE TALKING A ROLL BACK ON THINGS LIKE D.E.I.

AND WHAT SOME PEOPLE CONSIDER AN ATTACK ON PEOPLE'S IDENTITY AND EXISTENCE.

>> I'M ONLY INTERESTED IN CONTEXT OF LIBERATION AND HOW WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT PEOPLE NOT JUST IN ECONOMICS BUT PEOPLE IN THEIR HUMANITY AND HOW WE CAN CREATE SPACE FOR EVERYONE TO LIVE IN THEIR FULLNESS.

AND I THINK WE ABSOLUTELY ARE IN A VERY REAL WAY WHERE WE WERE THEN.

LIKE IN 2020, WE WERE GRAPPLING WITH THIS IDEA OF A RECKONING.

OH THIS IS LIKE RECONSTRUCTION.

IT WAS NEVER RECONSTRUCTION.

THIS IS NEW JIM CROW EXTENDED, EXTENDED, EXTEND.

AND WE HAVE TO BE WILLING TO LIKE BE BOUND TO ONE ANOTHER FOR THE SAKE OF HUMANITY AND FREEDOM.

AND THAT IS WHAT IS AT STAKE OUR FREEDOM, OUR PERSONHOOD IS AT STAKE RIGHT NOW.

AND I DON'T KNOW THAT PEOPLE HAVE QUITE GRASPED THAT REALITY BECAUSE AMERICANS ARE SO COMFORTABLE -- EVEN -- WHATEVER CLASS YOU'RE IN WHEN YOU LOOK TO OTHER COUNTRIES THAT ARE DOING WORSE THAN US, WE HAVE A LEVEL OF PRIVILEGE THAT NO ONE ELSE HAS THAT ALMOST ALLOWS US TO HAVE THIS VERY ACUTELY AMERICAN WAY OF WE DON'T RECOGNIZE TYRANNY UNTIL IT'S DIRECTLY ON TOP OF OUR SHOULDERS.

WE HAVE TO FEEL THE PAIN OURSELVES BEFORE WE'RE WILLING TO FIGHT.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FLASH POINT IS GOING TO BE FOR US TO ACTUALLY LIKE RALLY TOGETHER AND REALLY FIGHT.

>> IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE THE APRIL 5TH HANDS-OFF PROTEST JUST HAPPENED, RIGHT?

WE SAW THESE LARGE NUMBERS OF PEOPLE HITTING THE STREETS.

BUT WE ALSO SAW A LOT OF PEOPLE MAINLY BLACK PEOPLE WHO SAID I'M STAYING ANY BUTT AT HOME BECAUSE WE WERE IN THE STREETS IN 2020.

AND THIS IS WHAT YOU TALKED ABOUT START LAUNCHING A BEAUTIFUL RESISTANCE BUT PEOPLE WANT TO RECLAIM THEIR REST.

HAVE WE REACHED THAT WATERSHED MOMENT FINDING SOMETHING TO RALLY AROUND TOGETHER AND ARE WE MEETING THAT MOMENT?

>> I THINK THAT EVERY TIME THAT THERE IS A CRISIS IN AMERICAN POLITICS IT IS ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO REALLY RISE UP AND BUILD THE COALITIONS NECESSARY TO PUSH BACK AND SUPPORT BROADER CHANGE.

I THINK THAT TRUMP'S ELECTION LAST YEAR WAS A WATERSHED MOMENT, WAKING UP IN A WAY TO SEE NOT JUST HOW FAR RIGHT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS MOVED OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS AND HOW WE'RE SEEING THOSE ATTACKS ON CIVIL RIGHT AND IMMIGRATION AND ALSO IN MANY WAYS HOW THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY FAILED IN ITS NOTION PROVIDE REAL WORKING CLASS CHANGE AND COMBINING SOME OF THE MOVEMENT WE'VE SEEP THROUGH THE GEORGE FLOYD RECKONING FROM THAT CALL.

I'M THINKING ABOUT IT FROM A STUDENT PERSPECTIVE HOW STUDENT ORGANIZERS AT MY CAMPUS AND ELSEWHERE THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY HAVE BEEN INVOKING 1968 IN THE STUDENT MOVEMENT AGAINST VIETNAM AND LATER SOUTH AFRICAN APARTHEID TO PUSH BACK AGAINST THOSE ATTACKS THAT WE'RE STREAK THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AT THE MOMENT.

>> DO YOU THINK IT'S TIME FOR US TO SEE A CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT EVEN IF IT DOESN'T LOOK THE SAME AS 1968 BUT SOMETHING SIMILAR?

>> YEAH, I THINK IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING SIMILAR.

THERE ARE LONG LASTING JIM CROW LAWS WHERE WE'RE MORE GRATED NOW THAN WE WERE 30 YEARS AGO.

IT'S MORE THAN JUST A RECKONING MOMENT KIND OF WHAT WE SAW IN 2020 THAT WHILE THE MOVEMENT WAS REALLY HUGE AND HAD TENSE -- TENS OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE SHOWING OUT WAS TEMPORARY AND LED TO VERY LITTLE POLITICAL CHANGE.

>> I THINK WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL BECAUSE IF WE LOOK BACK JUST A FEW YEARS AGO IN 2020, THERE WAS -- YOU MENTIONED GEORGE FLOYD.

I HAVE SPECIFIC OPINIONS ABOUT THAT.

BUT WHAT I SAW A LOT OF -- >> WAIT.

WHAT ARE THOSE OPINIONS?

>> I DON'T BELIEVE GEORGE FLOYD WAS A HE ROW I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IT WAS NECESSARY TO DESTROY LARGE AMERICAN CITIES.

DO I THINK THAT PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE BEEN HELD ACCOUNTABLE?

ABSOLUTELY.

SHOULD GEORGE FLOYD HAVE DIED?

WE DON'T KNOW BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT O DEBATE ABOUT HOW HE ACTUALLY DIED.

>> WELL, THERE WAS VIDEO SHOWING THAT HE WAS -- SHOWING THAT THE POLICE OFFICER DEREK CHAUVIN WAS KNEELING -- >> WITHOUT A QUESTION.

HE SHOULD BE PUNISHED.

DON'T MISUNDERSTAND ME.

THEY ALSO DID AN AUTOPSY AND FOUND OUT THAT HE WAS IN THE PROCESS OF DYING ANYWAY.

SHOULD HE HAVE TOUCHED THAT GUY?

NOT ON YOUR BEST DAY.

BUT WE'VE GOT TO BE CAREFUL BECAUSE WHAT I FIND AND I'M A BLACK CONSERVATIVE WHICH IS WEIRD IN MASSACHUSETTS, BUT WHAT I'VE DISCOVERED IS THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE TAKING A VERY SMALL PIECE OF A STORY AND THEY'RE MAKING MAJOR DECISION ON IT.

I'VE BEEN SEEING THIS HAPPEN FOR A VERY LONG TIME.

I'M NOT SAYING THERE'S NOT A CIVIL RIGHTS THING.

BUT I'M NOT SAYING THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS WRONG IN EVERYTHING THEY DO RIGHT NOW.

I THINK A LOT OF IT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT GETTING BACK OR DEALING WITH GOVERNMENT WASTE, THAT'S AN IMPORTANT THING.

THAT DIRECTLY AFFECTS THE BLACK COMMUNITY BECAUSE THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT NEED HELP.

I'VE BEEN IN A POSITION WHERE I NEEDED HELP.

BUT YOU CAN'T -- A POOR PERSON CAN'T HELP ANOTHER POOR PERSON IF WE ARE WASTING GOVERNMENT RESOURCES ON THINGS LIKE THAT, THE FIRST PEOPLE THAT GET AFFECT TYPICALLY ARE THE BLACK COMMUNITY.

I'M NOT SAYING YOU HAVE TO AGREE WITH EVERYTHING -- AS A MATTER OF FACT YOU SHOULDN'T AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DOES.

THAT'S MY OPINION.

WHAT'S IMPORTANT THAT YOU STOP FOR A MINUTE, KEEP THAT NONVIOLENT ATTITUDE IN THE BACK OF YOUR BRAIN BECAUSE -- IN PORTLAND -- I'M PROBABLY GOING TO OFFEND A LOT OF PEOPLE RIGHT NOW.

BUT BLACK LIVES MATTER FAILED.

THEY FAILED.

WHY?

BECAUSE BLACK BUSINESSES SUFFERED.

>> BUT MAYBE IT'S NOT BLACK LIVES MATTER THAT IS SORT OF THE -- THE BEACON SO TO SPEAK THAT WE LOOK TO -- >> CAN WE PUT A FLAG ON THE PLAY BECAUSE THERE'S A MOMENT OF CLARITY THAT WE NEED TO HAVE IN THIS CUSHION BECAUSE THERE ARE TWO THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING.

THERE ARE CIVIL RIGHTS AND HUMAN RIGHTS.

YOUR CIVIL RIGHTS ARE YOUR RELATIONSHIP TO THE LAW.

YOUR HUMAN RIGHTS ARE WHAT YOU'RE ENTITLED TO.

1948, THE U.N. COMES TOGETHER AND PUTS TOGETHER A DECLARE RATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS.

GRANTED WOMEN ARE NOT IN THE EXACTLY THE WAY THEY SHOULD BE FULLY INCLUDED BUT THERE ARE SOME FUNDAMENTALS ABOUT HUMAN RIGHTS.

WENT WE TALK ABOUT THIS HUMAN RIGHTS AND MOVEMENT, MOST PEOPLE ARE TALK ABOUT HUMAN RIGHTS.

WE NEED A MOMENT OF CLARITY TO TALK ABOUT THIS.

BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT FUNDAMENTALLY YOU'RE ENTITLED TO.

YOU'RE ENTITLED TO EDUCATION, CLEAN WATER, SAFE HOUSING.

IF THE COUNTRY YOU'RE LIVING IN IS UNSAFE, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO MOVE TO SOMEWHERE TOLES BE SAFE FOR YOUR FAMILY.

WOMEN AND CHILDREN HAVE THE RIGHT FOR PROTECTION.

THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT ARE GUARANTEED AND SO WHEN WE TALKING ABOUT THIS LARGER THING OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE AND WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE, FUNDAMENTALLY, WE HAVE LOST SIGHT THAT ONE OF THE BASIC THINGS WE AS THE BLACK COMMUNITY ARE TALKING ABOUT IS NOT CIVIL RIGHTS.

IT'S NOT MY RELATIONSHIP TO THE LAW.

IT IS MY RIGHT AS A HUMAN BEING AND THAT'S BEEN PART OF THE ISSUE THAT IS I'VE BEEN FUNDAMENTALLY DENIED.

A KID SHOULD BE ABLE TO LIVE IN A HOUSE AND NOT HAVE LEAD POISONING.

THEY SHOULD HAVE ACCESS TO CLEAN WATER.

HOW LONG THAT IS FLINT BEEN GOING ON?

I HEAR WHAT YOUR SAYING BUT WE HAVE TO CLARIFY THAT OOH WHAT'S AT STAKE IS NOT NECESSARILY CIVIL RIGHTS.

IT'S 110% HUMANTY >> JENNAE, HOW CAN THAT BE CHANNELED INTO A CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT?

>> IT WAS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY ABOUT PERSONHOOD AND HUMANITY BEING AT STAKE.

THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO RE RECOGNIZE.

AND I'M SORRY BUT TO YOUR POINT ABOUT B.L.M., THAT'S ALSO TAKING A SMALL ASPECT OF SOME TRUTHS AND SORT OF GENERALIZING BECAUSE THAT GROUP, ONE, EVERYTHING SHOULD NOT BE UNDER THE GAZE OF B.L.M.

-- >> THAT'S FAIR.

>> A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE HIRED TO INFILTRATE AND DO THINGS TO MAKE THINGS HAPPEN IN THOSE CITIES.

WAS MANY MINNEAPOLIS.

I WAS THERE AT GEORGE FLOYD'S FUNERAL.

TO BRUSH OVER THESE THINGS AND MAKE IT SEEM LIKE EVERYONE'S IN THE STREETS BEING VIOLENT IS JUST UNTRUE.

AND THIS -- MAKE SURE YOU'RE IN THE M.L.K.

NONVIOLENT GAZE -- M.L.K.

WAS VERY RIGHTEOUS AND FILLED WITH RIGHTEOUS RAGE.

AND HE WAS -- EVERY TIME PEOPLE TRIED TO TALK ABOUT THE NONVIOLENT THING, I FEEL THEY DO IT IN A WAY THAT WHITE WASHES WHAT A RADICAL HE WAS AND THE FACT THAT HIM AND MALCOLM X CAME TOGETHER AND REALLY DID BELIEVE IN THE SAME THINGS -- >> WE VALUES TO NOTE THAT EVEN IN HIS NONVIOLENCE HE WAS STILL ASSASSINATED.

>> YES, HE WAS STILL ASSASINATED.

PEACE WON'T MAKE YOU FREE.

POOR PEOPLE ABSOLUTELY CAN PEP -- HELP POOR BLACK PEOPLE.

WE ARE THE ONES HELPING OURSELVES.

RENT PARTIES, FINANCIALLY.

WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN HELPING EACH OTHER.

SO THAT IDEA IS ALSO INHERENTLY UNTRUE ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY.

WE HAVE ALSO BEEN BUILDING EACH OTHER DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO MAKE THE MONEY MOLT PLY TO MAKE THE HUMANITY MULTIPLY TO HAVE GRIT AND GRACE IN THE FIRE.

TO IN ORDER FOR US TO NOEL'S POINT TO ANSWER YOUR POINT JUST ABOUT LIKE -- I UNDERSTAND THE IDEA OF BEING CAREFUL, BUT I GUESS I WOULD CHOOSE THE WORD INTENTION.

I WOULD WANT TO -- I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT BEING CAREFUL.

WE JUST HAVE TO BE INTENTIONAL.

>> I TOTALLY AGREE.

>> ENCOMPASSING AND INCLUSIVE OF PEOPLE.

RIGHT NOW I'M MOST WORRIED ABOUT TRANS FOLKS, IMMIGRANT FOLKS AND OUR STUDENTS.

I'M WORRIED ARE YOU EVEN SAFE TO PROTEST ON YOUR CAMPUS?

>> DO YOU FEEL THAT YOU ARE?

>> I DON'T FEEL SAFE PROTESTING ON CAMPUS.

I DO IT ANYWAY BECAUSE WE NEED MORAL COURAGE AND OTHER STUDENTS ARE WITH ME.

BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARILY SAFE FOR STUDENTS.

I THINK TRUMP IS TARGETING STUDENTS, BOTH UNDERGRAD AND GRAD.

HARVARD JUST ANNOUNCED THAT THEY REVOKED FIVE STUDENT VISAS.

WE DON'T KNOW WHO THEY ARE.

BUT WE KNOW THAT IN OTHER CAMPUSES THAT THEY HAVE BEEN BECAUSE OF PRO-PALESTINIAN SPEECH.

I THINK THAT'S A VERY DANGEROUS MOMENT.

I WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THAT COMBINATION BETWEEN CIVIL RIGHTS AND HUGH MAN RIGHTS.

IT'S A BASIC QUESTION OF HUMAN RIGHT, CLEAN AIR, CLEAN WATER AND ACCESS TO EDUCATION.

THE CIVIL RIGHTS IS THE WAY TO ACCOMPLISH.

THAT ONE THING THAT IS MISSING FROM THE DISCUSSION IN GENERAL IS THAT WE NEED THAT POLITICAL MOVEMENT -- A SOCIAL MOVEMENT BUILDING TO ACHIEVE HUMAN RIGHTS.

IF WE AREN'T GUARANTEES THE CIVIL RIGHTS NOT JUST OF VOTING BUT OF PROTEST OF SPEECH AND RESISTANCE PUSHING BACK THEN WE DEFINITELY WON'T WILL NOT BE ABLE TO -- >> THANK YOU.

SO MUCH OF WHAT IS BEING UNDONE RIGHT NOW WAS LAID OUT IN PROJECT 2025.

THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP DISTANCED HIMSELF FROM.

BUT IT SEEMS THAT HE'S CONTINUING TO FOLLOW THAT PLAYBOOK.

HOW ARE BLACK CONSERVATIVES RESPONDING?

WHAT EXACTLY IS THEIR PLAN?

>> BLACK CONSERVATIVES ARE LOOKING AT THINGS FOR WHAT THEY ARE NOT NECESSARILY WHAT WE WANT THEM TO BE.

THAT'S BEEN A HUGE PROBLEM.

I'VE RUN FOR OFFICE MULTIPLE TIMES AND I RUN INTO THIS.

YOU HAVE TO MAKE FRIENDS WITH THAT.

AS FAR AS BLACK CONSERVATIVES ARE CONCERNED WE'RE FRUSTRATED BECAUSE NOBODY IS LISTENING TO US.

NOT ONLY THAT, THEY ARE PURPOSEFULLY -- THERE IS A PURPOSEFUL METHODOLOGY TO MAKE BLACK CONSERVATIVES SEEM LIKE THAT THEY'RE THIS WEIRD CONGLOMERATION OF WELL YOU'RE NOT BLACK ENOUGH.

WELL, YOU'RE NOT NECESSARILY FOR THE BLACK COMMUNITY.

>> I'M GOING TO JUMP IN JUST BECAUSE I WANT TO GET TO ONE LAST QUESTION BEFORE WE WRAP HERE.

HOW YOU DO THINK WE CAN GET ON THE SAME PAGE IF THERE'S A FACTION OF BLACK PEOPLE THAT ARE FEELING ALIENATED.

WHAT COLLECTIVELY DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD BE DOING?

>> FIRST STEP STOP LISTENING TO THE NEWS MEDIA.

>> BUT YOU'RE HERE!

>> YOU'RE LETTING US TALK.

UNLESS YOU'RE EDITING EVERY OTHER WORD -- I'M JUST KIT KIDDING BUT IT'S TRUE.

LONG BIER WAS IN POLITICS -- LONG BEFORE I WAS IN POLITICS I WAS SITTING IN IRAQ.

AND I HEARD CNN SAYING THAT THE JAPANESE ARE ABSOLUTELY NOT SENDING TROOPS TO IRAQ.

THEY'RE NOT DOING IT.

TWO DAYS LATER, I WATCHED TWO JAPANESE TROOPS EAT IN MY DINING FACILITY WALK OUT AND GO BACK TO THEIR UNIT.

SO THAT'S EITHER BAD JOURNALISM OR IT'S INTENTIONALLY MISLEADING.

IT'S 10 TIMES WORSE NOW.

WHAT I'M SAYING IS THIS -- AND I SAY THIS TO MY REPUBLICAN CONSERVATIVE FRIENDS.

DO NOT TAKE WHAT YOU HEAR AS THE GOSPEL TRUTH.

>> WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE, BLACK JOURNALISTS SHOWING UP AND TELLING STORIES FOR US AND BY US IS EXACTLY -- AND WE'RE DOING SO IN GOOD FAITH AND TRYING TO RESHAPE THOSE NARRATIVES.

SO BEFORE I LET ALL OF YOU GO, GIVEN THAT THE NAME OF THE SHOW IS GBH NEWS ROOTED, WHAT'S KEEPING YOU ROOTED?

>> WHAT'S KEEPING MY ROOTED IS THE HISTORY OF MY COMMUNITY.

IT HAS BEEN A VERY DIFFICULT WEEK.

WEEKS FOR BLACK MUSEUMS.

WE WORK HARD TO PRESERVE THE HISTORY AND TELL THE STORY OF THE MULL POLICITY OF BLACK EXPERIENCES AND TO FEEL LIKE YOU'RE BEING ERASED THAT YOUR WORK IS BEING UNDONE IS DIFFICULT.

SO I DRAW STRENGTH FROM THE PAST AND THE ANCESTORS TO KNOW THAT THEY WENT THROUGH EVEN MORE DIFFICULT CIRCUMSTANCES AND I COULD DO THE SAME THING.

>> JENNAE, WHAT ABOUT YOU?

>> WHAT'S KEEPING ME ROOTED IS OUR RESPONSIBILITIES TO ONE ANOTHER.

NOT JUST AS A JOURNALIST OR AS A WITNESS BUT JUST AS A HUMAN.

LIKE WE HAVE LOST SIGHT OF THAT PURPOSE IN SUCH A TERRIBLE WAY DUE TO OUR OBSESSION WITH GREED AND JUST MEASURING PEOPLE IN DOLLARS INSTEAD OF IN THEIR SPIRIT INSTEAD OF WHO THEY ARE AS A PERSON AND BEING RESPONSIBLE FOR ONE ANOTHER.

BECAUSE THIS ADMINISTRATION IS WORKING HARD WITH THE ARTS, WITH EDUCATION AND EVERY FACET OF OUR SOCIETY TO STIFLE AND SCARE THE PEOPLE SO THEY WILL BE TOO AFRAID TO HAVE A MOVEMENT.

AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO IT SCARED BUT DO IT PREPARED.

AND THAT'S WHAT KEEPS ME ROOTED BECAUSE RESILIENCE AND RESISTANCE AND BEING ROOTED IN ONE ANOTHER IS WHAT IS VITAL TO US RIGHT NOW TO MAKE IT DAY BY DAY.

>> BRUCE, WHAT'S KEEPING YOU ROOTED?

>> MY FAITH BECAUSE NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS OUT THERE I MEAN, I'VE SEEN THE WORST OF HUMANITY.

YOU CAN GO TO THE DEEPEST DARKEST PLACES IN THIS COUNTRY AND THERE ISN'T POVERTY THAT EXISTS THAT I'VE SEEN IN THE MIDDLE EAST.

SO IT'S MY FAITH KNOWING THAT NO MATTER WHAT, THAT FAITH IS SOLID AND ROOTED IN SOMETHING THAT'S REAL.

I ALSO AM DEEPLY ROOTED WITH FAMILY AND WITH CONNECTIONS AND THAT I CAN CONNECT WITH PEOPLE WHO MAY NOT NECESSARILY AGREE WITH ME BUT KNOW I HAVE THEIR BEST -- NO MATTER WHAT I HAVE THEIR BEST INTEREST AT HEART.

>> AND CLEAVE?

>> I THINK WHAT'S KEEPING ME ROOTED IS COMMUNITY, FAMILY, FRIENDSHIP, PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN ABLE TO LEARN FROM AND GROW WITH AND THERE'S NEED FOR COLLECTIVE ACTION.

I FEEL LIKE PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO AND WILL CONTINUE TO SHOW UP IN SPACE WHERE IS THEY NEED TO.

>> WELL, CLIVE, JENNAE AND BRUCE, THANK YOU FOR THE -- BEING WITH THE ROOTED FAMILY.

HOPE TO HAVE YOU HERE SOON.

>> WHETHER IT'S THE INSANE POWER OR THE INSANE CONSOLIDATION OF WEALTH, YOU KNOW, CONTROL, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT ARE IN SOME WAY, YOU KNOW, FOR BETTER AND FOR, YOU KNOW, FAR MORE LIKELY FOR WORSE, RIGHT?

WHAT WE IMAGINE WHEN WE THINK OF THINGS AS MASCULINE.

>> THE NETFLIX SHOW "A "ADOLESCENCE" HAS EVERYBODY AND THEY'RE MAMA TALK ABOUT TOXIC MASCULINITY AND THE MANA SPHERE.

ONE FACTION IN PARTICULAR IS ALL UP IN THEIR FEELINGS BECAUSE OF THE CASTING.

SO JAMES WHAT EXACTLY IS THE CONTROVERSY HERE?

>> THE CONTROVERSY QUICK, YOU KNOW, SUMMARY OF WHAT THIS IS ABOUT AND BASICALLY IT'S FOLLOWING THE STORY OF A YOUNG BOY MAYBE 12, 13, AND HIS FAMILY AFTER THAT BOY IS ARRESTED FOR THE MURDER OF A FEMALE CLASSMATE.

>> I HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING.

>> YOU HAVE A GOOD DAD.

A GREAT DAD.

>> YOU HAVEN'T BEEN FOUND GUILTY.

>> WE'RE LOOKING AT KNIFE VIOLENCE FROM A KID WHO HAS BEEN IMPACTED BY SOME TOXICITY IN THE DIGITAL WORLD.

AND SO SOME PEOPLE ARE UPSET BECAUSE THE KID AND HIS FAMILY ARE PORTRAYED BY WHITE ACTORS.

BORIS JOHNSON RECENTLY WROTE IN AN OPINION NIECE THE DAILY -- PIECE IN THE DAILY MAIL.

IT'S LONG WINDED.

BUT HE'S UPSET THAT IT'S NOT ROOTED IN ANY KIND OF REALITY BECAUSE KNIFE VIOLENCE IS, YOU KNOW, JUST PROPORTIONATELY PURPOSE TRAITED IN HIS WORDS BY -- BY BLACK INDIVIDUALS, RIGHT?

AND THE THING IS, YOU KNOW, THIS SHOULD BE A STORY THAT'S FOCUSING ON THE CRIMES OF BLACK PEOPLE AGAINST OTHERS BUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT OF THIS PROGRAM.

YOU'RE MISSES FROM THE FOREST FROM THE TREES.

>> THE CREATOR SAID THAT HE AND STEVEN GRAHAM WERE NOT TRYING TO MAKE THIS ABOUT RACE AND IT WASN'T BASED ON ANY PARTICULAR STORY THAT HAD TAKEN PLACE IN REAL LIFE.

>> EXACTLY.

STEVEN GRAHAM TALKED ABOUT HOW HE WAS THINKING ABOUT READING A STORY, YOU KNOW, A NEWS ARTICLE ABOUT A KNIFE MURDER AND HOW HE WAS SO QUICK TO BLAME THE PARENTS, RIGHT?

AND THEN HE TOOK A BEAT AND SAID WHAT IF IT WASN'T NECESSARILY THE PARENT'S FAULT?

WHAT ARE THE OTHER ISSUES THAT COULD GO INTO THE CREATION OF SOMEONE WHO WOULD DO SUCH A THING?

>> WHICH IS WHAT EVERYBODY HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT IN WHICH THE SERIES POINTED OUT PRETTY BLATANTLY.

>> IT'S A MEDITATION OF HOW IT TAKES A VILLAGE TO RAISE A CHILD, RIGHT?

HOW WERE WE IMPLICATED IN THE ACTIONS, YOU KNOW, OF THE YOUNGEST AMONG US?

RIGHT?

WITH THAT IN MIND IT THEN BECOMES A QUESTION DOES IT TAKE A VILLAGE TO DESTROY A CHILD?

DO PEOPLE THAT FROM A CONSERVATIVE, YOU KNOW, SET OF VALUES WITH RESPECT TO A FAMILY BELIEVE IN THE VILLAGE?

HOW DOES A VILLAGE RAISING A CHILD AND PROTECTING A CHILD APPLY IF YOU'RE -- I GUESS FUNDAMENTAL, YOU KNOW, BELIEF, RIGHT OF RAISING ONE IS FROM THE -- FROM LIKE A NUCLEAR FAMILY, RIGHT?

WHERE DOES THE VILLAGE FIT IN?

?

WHY IS IT MY RESPONSIBILITY?

IT'S GOING TO BE SOMEBODY'S RESPONSIBILITY BECAUSE SOME OF THESE PEOPLE WILL INTERACT WITH FOLKS OUTSIDE OF THEIR BUBBLE.

>> WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS -- THE STRUCTURE OF THE VILLAGE, RIGHT?

IT INCLUDES LEADERS AT THE TOP.

WE KNOW ELON MUSK, PRESIDENT TRUMP, THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN ASSOCIATED WITH THE TERMS TOXIC MASCULINETY ELON MUSK RESPONDED TO A TWEET SAYING WOW -- [LAUGHTER] AND SO IT'S LIKE TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT, I GUESS.

BUT FOR ME IT DOES RAISE THIS QUESTION OF LIKE WHY WERE THERE -- ONE GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO WERE REALLY LIKE THIS IS SORT OF A RALLYING CRY TO CHECK IN ON OUR BOYS.

ARE THEY OK?

WHILE FOR OTHERS IT WAS FOCUSING ON THIS QUOTE, UNQUOTE WHITE PROPAGANDA.

>> I THINK -- COMING BACK TO WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT SOME OF THE LEADERS AT THE TOP CHIMING IN ON THIS OR BEING UPSET ABOUT THE EXISTENCE OF A PROGRAM LIKE THIS, RIGHT?

I THINK THIS FLIES IN THE FACE OF WHAT -- LIKE THOSE INDIVIDUALS, THEY DO PROJECT A CERTAIN KIND OF MASCULINITY, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S THE ACQUISITION OF POWER, WHETHER IT'S THE INSANE CONSOLIDATION OF WEALTH, YOU KNOW, CONTROL, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT ARE IN SOME WAY, YOU KNOW, FOR BETTER AND FOR, YOU KNOW, FAR MORE LIKELY FOR WORSE, RIGHT?

WHAT WE IMAGINE WHEN WE THINK OF THINGS AS MASCULINE THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ARE IM-- IMPRESSIONABLE THAT YOUTHS MIGHT LATCH ON TO.

THERE'S NO ALTERNATIVE.

WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF GOOD ALTERNATIVES ABOUT -- NOT EVEN A POSITIVE, YOU KNOW MASCULINITY COULD LOOK LIKE.

JUST A NONJERK MASCULINETY STEPHEN GRAHAM HE'S THE.

AND THE >> DON'T THINK YOU'RE A JERK.

>> WHAT?

>> I DON'T THINK YOU'RE A JERK.

>> EDDIE, HE'S THE FATHER, HE'S -- HE'S GENERALLY A FINE GUY.

[LAUGHTER] >> YOU KNOW, HE'S A REAL DUDE.

[LAUGHTER] >> UNFORTUNATELY, WE HAVE TO LEAVE IT THERE, JAMES.

BUT BEFORE WE GO, THIS IS A HEAVY TOPIC, BUT DO I WANT TO ASK, WHAT'S KEEPING YOU ROOTED THESE DAYS?

>> HEAVY GOING TO BUT A THING THAT KEEPS ME LIGHT AND ON MY FEET IS THE INSTITUTION OF OR THE REINSTITUTION OF BLACK SATURDAY WHERE YOU SIT DONE ON THE COUCH ON SATURDAY MORNING AND WATCH A MOVIE FROM AN UNOFFICIAL BLACK AND SOMETHING THAT STAYS IN THE CULTURAL STATE TO GUST AND THAT PROPELS YOU ON FOR THE WEEKEND.

>> JAMES, THANK YOU SO MUCH AND THANK YOU FOR THE AUDIENCE FOR TUNING IN.

WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT DOES BEING ROOTED MEAN TO YOU?

DROP US A LINE, HIT US UP.

CHECK US OUT ON INSTAGRAM AND YOUTUBE.

FROM ALL OF US HERE AT GBH NEWS ROOTED, I'M PARIS AUSTIN.

HAVE A GREAT NIGHT.

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