>> GOVERNOR HOCHUL SENDS IN THE TROOPS... TO THE NEW YORK SUBWAYS.

EVERYONE LOVES TIKTOK, BUT CONGRESS COULD BAN IT.

AND ORGANIZED LABOR COMES TO COLLEGE BASKETBALL.

STAY TUNED, IVORY TOWER IS NEXT.

♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> GOOD EVENING.

WELCOME TO IVORY TOWER.

I'M DAVID CHANATRY, FROM UTICA UNIVERSITY.

I'M JOINED AROUND THE TABLE THIS WEEK BY TARA ROSS FROM ONONDAGA COMMUNITY COLLEGE, CHAD SPARBER FROM COLGATE UNIVERSITY, BEN BAUGHMAN FROM GANNON UNIVERSITY AND LUKE PERRY FROM UTICA UNIVERSITY.

NEW YORK NATIONAL GUARD TROOPS ARE NOW PATROLLING SUBWAYS IN NEW YORK CITY, ORDERED THERE BY GOVERNOR HOCHUL.

SHE SAYS THE SOLDIERS' PRESENCE WILL HELP DETER CRIME AND MAKE NEW YORKERS FEEL SAFE AFTER SOME HIGH-PROFILE CRIMES IN THE SUBWAYS.

MAYOR ERIC ADAMS HAD ALREADY ORDERED ONE THOUSAND NYPD OFFICERS TO HELP THE TRANSIT POLICE.

CRITICS SAY THIS IS JUST SHOW AND WON'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

SHOULD HOCHUL HAVE TAKEN THIS STEP?

>> I THINK IT'S A HELPFUL PART OF AN OVERALL PROCESS.

HOCHUL RELEASED A FIVE-POINT PLAN TRYING TO ADJUST SUBWAY SAFETY.

THIS IS ONE ELEMENT OF IT.

THE OTHER ELEMENT OF INSTALLATION OF CAMERAS BY NEXT YEAR'S DEADLINE WILL BE MORE HELPFUL.

THE CRIME RATES ARE NOT SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASING IN THE SUBWAY.

YOU HAVE A ONE IN A MILLION CHANCE OF BEING A VICTIM OF ASSAULTS OR VIOLENT CRIME THERE.

BUT THERE IS A PERCEPTION THAT IT'S DANGEROUS.

AND TO ME THE DYNAMICS ARE AKIN TO TERRORISM, RIGHT?

THE PROSPECT OF BEING HORRIFICALLY HARMED AS WE SAW AS RECENTLY AS LAST NIGHT A FIGHT TURNING INTO A STABBING TURNING INTO A SHOOTING THAT IS DETERRING PEOPLE AND CONCERNING PEOPLE ABOUT SUBWAY SAFETY.

CERTAINLY THE STATE AND THE CITY NEEDS TO DO MORE.

>> DO YOU THINK, BEN, THAT THE MILITARY PRESENCE IN A WAY, MIGHT MAKE PEOPLE MORE FEARFUL IF THEY SEE SOLDIERS WALKING AROUND?

>> YES, I THINK IT WILL, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO REALLY DETER CRIME PER SE.

THEY DON'T HAVE THE TRAINING, EXPERIENCE AND KNOWLEDGE IN THAT PURVIEW.

SO IF SOMETHING DOES GO BAD AND THEY LACK ALL THREE OF THOSE, BAD DECISIONS COULD BE MADE.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, THEY WERE SENT THERE TO SHOW FORCE AND TO SHOW THAT THEY HAD THINGS UNDER CONTROL.

THEN THEIR LONG GUNS WERE TAKEN AWAY.

SO NOW YOU'VE GOT THEM IN UNIFORM WITHOUT THE LONG GUNS SO WHAT ARE YOU ACTUALLY DOING?

>> SO, YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA THEN.

THE POLICE WOULD BE BETTER OFF HANDLING THIS?

>> YES, THAT'S THE REAL PROBLEM IS WE'VE GONE THROUGH YEARS OF POLICE NOT BEING SUPPORTED AND LACK OF POLICING AND THE NATIONAL GUARD, HERE NOT TRAINED AND TYPICALLY EQUIPPED TO DEAL WITH DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS THAT POLICE OFFICERS ARE.

>> SO TARA, IS THIS MORE OF A POLITICAL MESSAGE THAT THE GOVERNOR IS TRYING TO SHOW?

>> ABSOLUTELY IT'S POLITICAL.

SHE WANTS TO SHOW A: THAT THERE HAS BEEN TENSION BETWEEN SHE AND MAYOR ADAMS SO SHE WANTS TO SHOW THAT SHE IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE ACTIONS ALREADY BEING TAKEN BY MAYOR ADAMS.

CERTAINLY IT SHOWS THAT, YOU KNOW, AS A DEMOCRAT, SHE IS SORT OF TOUGH ON CRIME.

SO I ABSOLUTELY THINK IT'S A POLITICAL MOVE.

BUT I ALSO THINK IT'S A POLITICAL MOVE THAT HAS ALSO SORT OF WHAT WOULD I CALL AN INTERNATIONAL RAMIFICATION.

AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS THIS SHE ALSO, YOU KNOW, IF WE THINK ABOUT NEW YORK CITY, NEW YORK CITY BEING, YOU KNOW, THIS TOURIST HUB, ESPECIALLY INTERNATIONAL TOURIST HUB AS WELL AS INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS CENTER.

YOU NOT ONLY WANT THE CITIZENS TO FEEL COMFORTABLE BUT THE VISITORS AS WELL.

SHE IS THINKING I WANT EVERYONE TO FEEL SAFE, ESPECIALLY THE PEOPLE WHO ARE HELPING TO BRING IN THOSE BIG BUCKS TO THE CITY.

>> BUT GIVEN THAT, IF YOU HAVE OFFICERS PATROLLING IN THE SUBWAYS, MIGHT THAT NOT BACKFIRE IN A WAY THAT THOSE INTERNATIONAL TOURISTS THAT YOU WANT COMING TO THE CITY TO FEEL SAFE, FEEL THREAT?

>> ACTUALLY, I DON'T THINK SO BECAUSE IN OTHER CITIES, YOU KNOW, I ACTUALLY SAW IT WHEN I HAPPENED TO BE IN ENGLAND AT ONE TIME, YOU KNOW, THEY HAD BEEN HAVING SOME PROBLEMS WITH GANGS ON THE TUBE, AND SO BASICALLY, THEY BEEFED UP, YOU KNOW, THE ARMED GUARDS.

IT WASN'T, I BELIEVE ANY NATIONAL FORCE BUT THEY CERTAINLY BEEFED UP THE ARMED GUARDS AND I CERTAINLY SAW THEM.

AND IT DID MAKE YOU FEEL A LITTLE BIT SAFER, ESPECIALLY AS SOMEONE WHO DIDN'T REALLY KNOW THE SYSTEM.

SO I DON'T THINK SO.

>> CHAD?

>> MY INTERNATIONAL TRAVELS TO PLACES LIKE JAMAICA AND RIO DE JANERO, I DIDN'T GET WARP AND FUZZY FEELINGS SEEING ARMED PATROLMEN IN THE STREETS.

I ACTUALLY SIDE WITH THE ACLU ON THIS AND I THINK THIS POLICY IS REALLY COMBINING THE WORST THAT LEFT AND THE RIGHT HAVE TO OFFER.

FROM THE RIGHT, SHE IS CREATING AN AUTHORITARIAN POLICE STATE, FREE TO SEARCH CIVILIANS BELONGINGS WITHOUT ANY REASONABLE SUSPICION.

FROM THE LEFT, THE GOAL ISN'T ABOUT MAKING PEOPLE SAFER.

IT'S ABOUT MAKING THEM FEEL SAFER, AS LUKE SUGGESTED.

SHE HAS RECOGNIZED THIS BY, YOU KNOW, WITH THIS QUOTE ABOUT HOW THE NUMBER OF CRIMES IS NOT STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT BUT PSYCHOLOGICALLY SIGNIFICANT.

SO IN ORDER TO MAKE PEOPLE FEEL BETTER SHE IS EMBRACING AUTHORITARIAN SOLUTIONS?

LIKE NO THANK YOU, PLEASE.

IT'S NOT OKAY TO ME.

>> HERE IS THE UNIQUE THING I THINK ABOUT THE SUBWAY CONTEXT THOUGH.

SOMEONE WITH VERY MODEST SECURITY BACKGROUND, ONE OF THE THINGS I'M ALWAYS THINKING ABOUT IN ANY SITUATION, IS WHERE IS THE NEAREST EXIT AND HOW CAN I GET THERE.

THOUGH WE CAN SAY DATA DRIVEN ANALYSIS SUGGESTS IT'S IRRATIONAL TO BE AFRAID ON THE SUBWAY, ON A HUMAN LEVEL YOU CAN MAKE AN ARGUMENT THAT WITH THE MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS WE ARE DEALING WITH AND THE FACT THAT YOU MAY FIND YOURSELF CONFINED IN A CAR THAT'S MOVING THAT YOU CAN'T GET OFF WHERE SOMETHING GOES FROM 0 TO 100 IN A MINUTE, PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO PUT THEMSELVES IN THAT SITUATION.

I THINK YOU HAVE THOI ABOUT HOW TO REMEDY THAT.

>> OKAY, SO I KIND OF WONDER HOW MUCH OF THIS IS A RESPONSE TO THE CASE OF DANIEL PENNY WHO IS THE MARINE WHO IS FACING MANSLAUGHTER CHARGES FOR KILLING JORDAN NEELY WITH A CHOKE HOLD.

IF YOU DON'T REMEMBER, PENNY CONTENDS HE DIDN'T INTEND TO HARM KNEELY BUT MEANT TO SUBDUE HIM WHEN SEVERAL PASSENGERS WERE WORRIED ABOUT HIS BEHAVIOR.

HE WAS USING MILITARY TACTICS TO RESPOND TO A PERCEIVED THREAT WHEN POLICE WERE NOT AVAILABLE.

SO IF THIS IS ABOUT TRYING TO PREVENT INCIDENTS LIKE THAT, I KIND OF GET IT.

BUT 750 NATIONAL GUARD TROOPS?

THAT'S, YOU KNOW, TO YOUR POINT, BEN, POLICE NOT... >> CORRECT.

>> WHICH GOES TO TARA'S POINT AND IN THE UNITED KINGDOM, WHAT THEY'RE HAVING IS ARMED RESPONSE UNIT OFFICERS THERE.

THEY'RE TRAINED POLICE OFFICERS WITH THE EXPERIENCES AND KNOWLEDGE.

>> THE FEAR OFTEN ON THE SUBWAY, I RODE NEW YORK SUBWAYS FOR YEARS WHEN I WORKED DOWN THERE.

AND ON THE PLATFORMS, THAT WAS THE FEARFUL SPOT.

AND I MADE A POINT OF NOT STANDING CLOSE TO THE EDGE.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE ARE OFTEN AFRAID OF, GETTING PUSHED IN FRONT OF A TRAIN.

AND THE PEOPLE THAT DO THAT ARE MENTALLY, YOU KNOW,IT'S A MENTAL HEALTH ISSUE, PARANOIA OR WHATEVER, AND JUST SEEMS LIKE MAYBE THAT IS WHERE THE FUNDS FOR THIS GO.

NEW YORK HAS-- THE POLICE DON'T TAKE MENTAL HEALTH PEOPLE OFF THE STREET LIKE THEY USED TO, RIGHT?

IS THAT THE CASE THERE?

>> ACROSS THE NATION WE HAVE BEEN DEINSTITUTIONALIZED SO THERE HAS BEEN A FOCUS ON NOT TAKING PEOPLE OFF THE STREET AND PUT THEM, LOCKING THEM AWAY IN A PADDED ROOM AND TRYING TO TREAT THEM OUTPATIENT.

>> OKAY.

THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES THIS WEEK OVERWHELMINGLY PASSED A BILL THAT WOULD FORCE A CHINESE INTERNET COMPANY TO SELL THE WILDLY POPULAR SOCIAL MEDIA APP TIK-TOK.

IF IT'S NOT SOLD WITHIN 6 MONTHS, TIK TOK WOULD BE BANNED IN THE U.S.

LAWMAKERS FEAR THE PLATFORM POSES A NATIONAL SECURITY RISK AND COULD BE USED TO SPREAD DISINFORMATION BY CHINA.

IF THE BILL PASSES THE SENATE, PRESIDENT BIDEN SAYS HE'LL SIGN IT.

DONALD TRUMP TRIED TO BAN IT WHEN HE WAS PRESIDENT, BUT NOW SAYS HE'S OPPOSED.

CHAD, SHOULD THE SENATE PASS THE BILL AND FORCE THE APP TO BE EITHER DIVESTED OR BANNED?

>> I PREFER TO THINK OF ALTERNATIVES.

I HAVE A STUDENT MARGARET WILLIAMS WHO IS A LEGAL EXPERTISE.

GO BACK TO 2021 TikTok LAUNCHED PROJECT TEXAS, AN ATTEMPT TO WALL OFF MRN AMERICAN USERS DATA ON SERVERS BASED IN TEXAS AND/OR CAL OR THAT BRANCH IS SUPPOSED TO MONITOR THE DATA THAT EMPLOYEES SHARE.

IN PRINCIPLE THAT DATA WAS WALLED OFF IN 2023, BUT THE WALL STREET JOURNAL REPORTED A COUPLE MONTHS AGO THAT IN PRACTICE, DATA HAS BEEN SHARED WITH BITE DANCE, WITHOUT GOING THROUGH PROPER CHANNELS.

AND THAT THE OVERSIGHT EMPLOYEES, THEY HAVE BEEN HAM STRUNG BY POOR ACCESS TO COMPUTERS, SOFTWARE, SAVEABLE DATA, THE KIND OF THINGS THAT ARE NECESSARY TO DO THAT OVERSIGHT WORK.

SO IF PROJECT TEXAS WAS WELL FUNCTIONING OR IF PERHAPS A U.S. GOVERNMENT AGENCY WAS PARTNERING WITH THEM IN DOING THIS, THEN THE NATIONAL SECURITY CONCERNS THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT COULD BE ADDRESSED WITHOUT A DIVESTMENT OR WITHOUT A BAN.

>> WHAT ABOUT THE DISINFORMATION IDEA THOUGH?

THAT SEEMS-- THAT'S A DIFFERENT QUESTION THAN THE NATIONAL SECURITY ONE.

>> I THINK IT'S IN LINE.

THERE ARE TWO ISSUES.

THE BIGGEST ISSUE IS THAT WE NEED TO CONTRAST THIS BETWEEN WHAT WE ARE USED TO WITH PRIVACY AND PART OF OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS TO BE LEFT ALONE.

HERE IN THE UNITED STATES VERSUS WHAT CHINA HAS WHICH IS NO CONSTITUTION AND NO RIGHT TO PRIVACY.

THEY HAVE THE BIGGEST OPERATION OF SURVEILLANCE AND ACCESS TO PEOPLE'S DATA, INCLUDING 1.7 MILLION USERS OF TikTok.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, THEY HAVE THE ABILITY AT ANY POINT, TO UTILIZE THAT FOR PROPAGANDA PURPOSES, JUST LIKE WHAT WAS DONE UNDER TRUMP'S ADMINISTRATION WITH THE CIA TRYING TO UTILIZE SOCIAL MEDIA IN CHINA.

>> SOMETHING WE LEARNED ABOUT THIS WEEK AND MAY STILL BE AN ONGOING PROJECT CAMPAIGN TO INFLUENCE MATTERS OVER THERE.

LUKE.

>> I THINK THE BIGGEST ARGUMENT AGAINST THIS IS THAT TikTok IS A THREE SPEECH PLATFORM THAT SHOULD BE PROTECTED.

-- A FREE SPEECH PLATFORM THAT SHOULD BE PROTECTED.

I FIND THAT COMICAL BECAUSE IT'S RUN BY THE CHINESE GOGHT WHICH IS NOT PHONE FOR FREE SPEECH.

I THINK THIS SHOULD HAPPEN AND COMPARATIVE POLITICAL PERSPECTIVE IS WORTHWHILE WHICH WE DON'T GET IN THE AMERICAN CONTEXT.

THE EUROPEAN UNION HAS BANNED TikTok, OTHER MAJOR WESTERN NATIONS INCLUDING CANADA AND AUSTRALIA HAVE.

WE ARE OUT ON AN ISLAND IN NOT DOING THIS.

AND SO I THINK IT'S OVER DUE FRANKLY.

>> TARA, WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THE CHANGE IN POSITION, I KNOW, FIRST WE WANTED-- PRESIDENT TRUMP WHEN HE WAS PRESIDENT WANTED TO AND NOW NOT SO MUCH.

DOESN'T WANT TO UPSET THE YOUTH VOTE?

>> I DON'T THINK HE REALLY IS CONCERNED WITH THE YOUTH VOTE.

I THINK IT'S MORE A MATTER OF HE NOW SEES THE TikTok IS NOT BEING SOMETHING THAT IS FAVORABLE TO HIM, THAT HE SEES THAT IT MAY HAVE HAD, YOU KNOW, THAT CHINESE INFLUENCE MAY HAVE HAD A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON HIM IN THE 2020 ELECTION.

SO I THINK IT'S MORE A MATTER OF, YOU KNOW, THIS COULD BE HARMFUL TO HIM.

THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE.

IT COULD BE HARMFUL TO TRUMP.

>> JUST REAL QUICK.

I MEAN THERE IS A LEGITIMATE ARGUMENT TO BE MADE ABOUT MONOPOLY FACEBOOK THEN BEING ABLE TO TAKE OVER IF TikTok IS BANNED.

>> THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GOING ASK.

IS TikTok'S BEHAVIOR ANY WORSE THAN WHAT WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY'VE DONE ANY WORSE THAN FACEBOOK?

>> THAT'S THE MUCH BIGGER PROBLEM REALLY IS ABOUT THE MARKET FOR DATA IN GENERAL AND TO LUKE'S POINT, EUROPE HAS DONE A MUCH BETTER JOB REGULATING THE COLLECTION AND USE OF DATA.

AND SO WE SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT HOW TO PROTECT OUR DATA BETTER REGARDLESS OF WHO OWNS IT BUT MOST YOUNG PEOPLE DISMISS IT AS LIKE THIS IS NOT A THREAT.

THE MOST CONVINCING THAT I'VE EVER BEEN ABLE TO BE ON THAT FRONT IS TO CITE NISSAN AND KIA.

WELL KNOWN CONSIDER COMPANIES BUT THEIR SERVICE AGREEMENTS EXPLICITLY ALLOW THEM TO COLLECT AND SELL DATA ON YOUR SEXUAL HISTORY, ON YOUR HEALTH AND YOUR GENETIC INFORMATION.

ONCE YOU START TELLING PEOPLE THAT, THEY START TO GO WAIT A MINUTE.

THIS IS SCARY.

I DON'T WANT KIA KNOWING ABOUT MY SEX LIFE.

IT'S A REAL-- THE DATA ISSUE IS HUGE.

>> 170 MILLION SO AMERICANS USE TikTok.

I DON'T THINK THEY UNDERSTAND THE LINK TO THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT AND I DON'T THINK MOST OF THEM DON'T CARE ABOUT THE DATA BECAUSE THEY LIKE THE SERVICE.

EVERY NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY HAS CITED TikTok AS AN ISSUE.

IT'S NOT JUST BIDEN'S PROCLIVITY ON THIS.

IT'S WELL NOTED ON THE NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUE.

>> IT'S CHINA HAVING DIRECT ACCESS TO THE DATA OF THE USERS OF TikTok.

>> OKAY.

BUT I THINK YOU MAKE A GOOD POINT THOUGH, LUKE, BECAUSE PEOPLE-- I KNOW MY STUDENTS IN CLASS, WE TALK ABOUT DATA, THEY DON'T CARE.

THEY DON'T CARE THAT EVERYBODY HAS THEIR DATA.

IT DOESN'T REALLY RESONATE WITH THEM AT ALL.

BUT THE IDEA THAT YOU COULD USE THE ALGORITHM TO CONTROL THE INFORMATION THAT THEY'RE RECEIVING SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD BE THE BIG EF THREAT.

AND YOU CAN DO THAT, OF COURSE, WITH ANY SOCIAL MEDIA ALGORITHM REALLY.

SO-- AND THAT-- I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS IS THERE A BIGGER PROBLEM?

IT'S NOT TikTok BUT SOCIAL MEDIA IN GENERAL?

>> WELL, AGAIN, TikTok, WE HAVE AN ELECTION COMING UP AND YOU HAVE A CHINESE ENTITY THAT'S ABLE TO PERSUADE PEOPLE ON A PLATFORM THAT IS GOING TO BE INFLUENCED TO VOTE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

AND THAT'S A HUGE ISSUE.

>> OKAY.

WE'LL LEAVE THAT RIGHT THERE WITH TikTok AND WE SHOULD SAY THE SENATE WOULD STILL NEED TO PASS THIS AND RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT CLEAR WHETHER THEY WILL.

MARCH MADNESS GETS UNDERWAY NEXT WEEK.

THAT'S THE ANNUAL NCAA COLLEGE BASKETBALL TOURNAMENT, A.K.A.

THE BIG DANCE.

SO THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD PEG TO CONSIDER WHAT'S GOING ON AT DARTMOUTH UNIVERSITY.

DARTMOUTH'S MEN'S BASKETBALL TEAM HAS VOTED TO JOIN A UNION, AFTER A NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD DECISION THAT PLAYERS ARE EMPLOYEES OF THE SCHOOL.

WHAT WOULD THIS MEAN FOR UNIVERSITIES AND THEIR ATHLETES?

SHOULD COLLEGE ATHLETES UNIONIZE?

>> WELL, IT'S A COMPLEX QUESTION.

HERE IS MY CONCERNS, GAUSE THERE ARE-- BECAUSE THERE ARE SUBSTANTIAL THINGS THAT COULD HAPPEN IN THESE SMALLER COLLEGES THAT ARE ALREADY STRUGGLING TO KEEP THE DOORS OPEN.

FINANCIALLY.

AND, YES, MAYBE YOU CAN HELP PAY THE MEN'S BASKETBALL TEAM OR THE FOOTBALL TEAM.

MAYBE THE ONES THAT GENERATE SOME INCOME.

BUT THEN WHAT HAPPENS TO THE OTHER LIKE WRESTLING, SOCCER, AND JUST AS IMPORTANT TO THE COLLEGE EXPERIENCE AS ALL SPORTS, HOW ARE THEY ABLE TO KEEP THE DOORS OPEN?

>> AND THAT'S AN INTERESTING POINT BECAUSE THE ATHLETES WHO ARE IN THOSE LESSER-- THOSE NOT AS NON-REVENUE GENERATING SPORTS, ALSO MANY OF THEM NEED THOSE SCHOLARSHIPS TO GO TO COLLEGE AND WON'T, PERHAPS, IF THOSE PROGRAMS ARE IT CANCEL,... >> DO THE MATH, OKAY?

LOOK, IF THEY'RE EMPLOYEES THEN WE NEED TO PAY THEM AND SUPPOSE YOU DO A WAGE OF $15 AN HOUR, THEY WORK AT LEAST 20 HOURS A WEEK ON THEIR SPORT, NOT COUNTING TRAVEL TIME.

AND IF WE ASSUME THEY'RE ONLY WORKING FOR THE 30 HOURS A WEEK THAT THEY'RE ON CAMPUS, YOU ARE ALREADY AT $9,000 A STUDENT.

NOW COLGATE A SMALL SCHOOL OF 3200 PEOPLE, WE HAVE ABOUT 660 STUDENT ATHLETES AND THAT'S A BILL OF $6 MILLION TO THE OPERATING BUDGET.

WE ARE NOT GOING TO PAY THAT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THIS, BUT I MEAN REALISTICALLY $6 MILLION ON THE OPERATING BUDGET AND SO THAT DOES IMPLY PROGRAMS GETTING CUT AND THAT'S GOING TO BE A TRAGEDY FOR PEOPLE WHO VOLUNTARILY PLAY THOSE SPORTS, WHO LOVE THOSE SPORTS, PART OF THE EXPERIENCE.

IT'S REALLY SAD TO ME.

>> BUT IT'S A RECRUITING TOOL, RIGHT?

THAT'S WHY COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITY DO IT.

AT LEAST UTICA DOES IT FOR THAT REASON, TO HAVE THE DIFFERENT SPORTS.

WE'VE ADDED NEW SPORTS FOR THAT REASON.

COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES IN THE POSITION BEN REFERENCED WILL HAVE TOY SIDE WHEN THEY WANT TO INVEST IN THAT WAY AND WHETHER IT'S WORTHWHILE OR NOT.

YOU TALK ABOUT MARCH MADNESS.

THAT'S A $920 MILLION TELEVISION CONTRACT.

THE NCAA IS GETTING PAID.

COLGATE IS GETTING PAID.

THEY MADE THE TOURNAMENT, CONGRATULATIONS.

>> THANK YOU.

>> THE COACHES ARE GETTING PAID THE HIGHEST PAID PEOPLE AT THE MAJOR RESEARCH UNIVERSITIES ARE COLLEGE FOOTBALL COACHES.

THE PLAYERS ARE NOT GETTING PAID.

AND THEY'RE THE ONES SACRIFICING THEIR BODIES AND YOU CAN'T HAVE THE TOURNAMENTS WITHOUT THE PLAYERS.

IF YOU GET A KNEE INJURY OR LEGACY OF CONCUSSIONS, YOU ARE ABILITY FOR YOUR ATHLETIC PROWESS IS DIMINISHED SO THAT NEEDS TO CHANGE.

>> AND THEY ARE, WITH NIL NOW, SOME ARE GETTING SOME PAY AND THERE IS A PROPOSAL FROM THE NCAA TO STANDARDIZE THAT.

BUT WHAT ABOUT TAKING IT TO THE NEXT STEP TO ACTUALLY FORM A UNION?

>> SEE, FIRST OF ALL, I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF NAIVETE AROUND THE UNION BECAUSE PEOPLE SEE UNION AS A PANACEA.

NOW THERE ARE SOME VERY REAL ISSUES THERE HAT HAVE BEEN MENTIONED, HEALTHCARE, BOTH WHILE THEY'RE PLAYING AND LATER ON IN LIFE BECAUSE MANY OF THESE THINGS BECOME WORSE AS WE GET OLDER.

THERE ARE SOME VERY REAL ISSUES THERE BUT I DON'T SEE A UNION AS COMPLETELY RESOLVING ALL OF THESE PROBLEMS.

FOR ONE BECAUSE MOST OF THESE STUDENTS ARE ONLY ON THEIR CAMPUSES ANYWHERE FROM TWO TO FOUR YEARS.

AND SO THE KNOWLEDGE BASE THAT HAVE YOU TO BUILD UP TO BE, YOU KNOW, A UNION GRIEVANCE OFFICER, ET CETERA, THESE ARE STUDENTS.

ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE TIME FOR IT?

ARE THEY GOING TO, JUST ABOUT THE TIME THEY REALLY ARE EXPERTS ON THEIR ATHLETICISM AND THE CONTRACT THAT THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO SIGN, THEY'RE MOVING ON TO THE NEXT LEVEL HOPEFULLY.

AND SO I REALLY THINK THAT FORMING A UNION IS NOT THE SOLUTION.

I THINK THE BIGGER SOLUTION NEEDS TO BE PUSHING THE NCAA TO PUSH THE SCHOOLS TO REQUIRE HEALTH INSURANCE AND HEALTH INSURANCE NOW, HEALTH INSURANCE LATER.

SO I JUST DON'T SEE THE UNION AS REALLY SOLVING THE PROBLEM.

>> YOU KNOW, IF-- THIS OPENS UP A CAN OF WORMS IF THEY WERE TO UNIONIZE.

IF ATHLETES ARE EMPLOYEES CAN THEY BE FIRED IF THEY DON'T PERFORM WELL ENOUGH?

>> WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ALL THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES, RIGHT?

SO RICK FENNER WAS ON THE SHOW A COUPLE MONTHS AGO AND HE SAID, YOU KNOW, DO THESE ATHLETES NEED TO BE STUDENTS AT ALL?

AT THE TIME I THOUGHT HE WAS SORT OF BEING SILLY AND RIDICULOUS, BUT LIKE NO, RICK, I THINK WAS RIGHT.

IT'S AN HONEST QUESTION TO ASK.

WHAT DOES TITLE IX MEAN IN THE CONTEXT OF THE DEATH OF A STUDENT ATHLETE MODEL IF THIS IS JUST PURE PROFIT DRIVEN, IF ATHLETES ARE EMPLOYEES NOT STUDENTS?

CAN AND WILL SCHOOLS START TO CUT WOMEN'S PROGRAMS?

THAT'S NOT SOMETHING... >> THEY CAN'T UNDER TITLE IX AND THAT'S THE POINT, WHICH ALSO, IF IT IS UNIONIZED AND IT IS AN EMPLOYEE, THEY DON'T NEED TO BE A STUDENT.

SO YOU COULD LITERALLY HAVE PEOPLE JUST PLAYING FOR SCHOOLS THAT ARE NOT STUDENTS.

>> DOES THIS TRICKLE DOWN TO LS HIGH SCHOOLS?

CHRISTIAN BROTHERS LOCALLY, NOTRE DAME IN UTICA.

>> WE ARE GETTING CARRIED AWAY.

WE HAVE STUDENT EMPLOYEES AND THEY'RE EMPLOYED BY THE COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES.

I DON'T THINK IT WILL TRICKLE DOWN TO HIGH SCHOOL ATHLETICS.

IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HIGHER EDUCATION.

>> I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU EXCEPT DARTMOUTH IS DIFFERENT.

DARTMOUTH IS NOT MAKING A PROFIT ON SPORTS.

>> WE ARE GOING TO LEAVE THAT RIGHT THERE.

WE'LL GO TO OUR AS AND Fs.

TARA YOUR F. >> TO MOSCOW MISSOURI DARYL McCLANAHAN.

AFTER PHOTOS SURFACED WITH HIM WITH A WHITE HOODED FIGURE GIVING A NAZI SALUTE IN FRONT OF A BURNING CROSS, HE CLAIMED HE WAS NOT A CROSS BURNING KKK MEMBER.

HE SAID HE WAS SIMPLY AN HONORARY MEMBER OF THE KKK.

>> I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO RESPOND TO THAT.

CHAD, YOUR F. >> THIS IS SILLY BY COMPARISON.

INFLATION WAS UP BY A BIT TO 3.2% WHICH IS NOT BAD IN A VACUUM BUT IT IS A THREAT TO BIDEN'S REELECTION CHANCES GIVEN THE CONTEXT.

INFLATION HAS EXCEEDED THE FEDERAL RESERVE'S 2% IN ALL BUT BIDEN'S FIRST TWO MONTHS IN OFFICE.

IT'S NOT ALL HIS FAULT BUT HE NEEDS CONTINUED PROGRESS ON THE INFLATION FRONT IF HE WANTS TO WIN.

>> BEN.

>> MY F IS GOING TO THE NEW ORLEANS CITY THAT HAS FAILED TO CARE FOR THEIR CRIME FIGHTERS.

A STATEMENT MADE THIS WEEK BY KIRKPATRICK, THE POLICE COMMISSIONER, THE RATS EATING OUR MARIJUANA.

THEY'RE ALL HIGH.

IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE EVIDENCE ROOM OF THIS 60-YEAR-OLD HEADQUARTERS IS MARIJUANA IS BEING CONSUMED BY RODENTS, COCKROACHES AND OVERWHELMED WITH OTHER ISSUES THAT THEY CAN'T EVEN BE IN THE BUILDING WHEN IT'S TOO HOT OUTSIDE OR TOO COLD OUTSIDE.

THAT THEY HAVE TO CLOSE THE DOORS SO NOW THEY'RE LOOKING AT MOVING HEADQUARTERS TEMPORARILY FOR 10 YEARS WHICH IS GOING TO COST THEM $7 MILLION.

VERSUS AND ESTIMATED $30 MILLION TO FIX THE HEADQUARTERS THAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY IN.

>> LUKE.

>> SPEAKING OF MARIJUANA, MY F GOES TO THE THOUSANDS OF UNLICENSED CANNABIS SHOPS POPPING UP THROUGHOUT NEW YORK DEFEATING THE PURPOSE OF LEGALIZATION, INCREASED SAFETY, TAX REVENUE.

THE STATE NEEDS DO MORE TO PROHIBIT THIS.

>> OKAY.

AS.

TARA.

>> MY A GOES TO SACRAMENTO COUNTY IN CALIFORNIA.

THE COUNTY IS LAUNCHING A PROGRAM WHICH WILL GUARANTEE A BASIC INCOME OF $725 A MONTH FOR LOW INCOME RIGHT NOW IT'S TARGETED TOWARDS AFRICAN-AMERICANS AND NATIVE AMERICANS, IF THE PROGRAM IS A SUCCESS IT WILL BE EXPANDED FIRST.

THE IDEA BEHIND THIS IS THAT THIS GIVES A GUARANTEED INCOME TO LOW INCOME PEOPLE SO THEY CAN DEPEND ON THAT INCOME AS THEY ARE BASICALLY ENHANCING THEIR LIVES THROUGH EDUCATION OR BETTER JOB TRAINING.

>> CHAD.

>> I LOVE THAT SYRACUSE DOESN'T HAVE SO MUCH OF A ST. PATRICK'S DAY BUT MORE OF SOMETHING LIKE A ST. PATRICK'S FORTNIGHT SCRECHING ALL THE WAY TO THE HOLIDAY ITSELF.

LAST WEEKEND 2400 PEOPLE FINISHED THE TIP HILL SHAMROCK RUN SO LET'S GIVE AS TO WINNER JAMES WITHERS OF UTICA AND EMILY YOUNG OF CAMILLUS AND ALSO TO RYAN HALL WHO USED THE EVENT TO RAISE $6,000 FOR CANCER.

>> AND BEN.

>> MY A IS GOING TO AN ORGANIZATION CALLED BEHIND THE BADGE.

THEY'RE LOCATED IN LOUISIANA.

THEY IDENTIFY OFFICERS THAT HAVE GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND THEIR ORDINARY DUTY; FOR EXAMPLE, ONE OFFICER THAT ENCOUNTERED A FAMILY AND THEIR PETS THAT WERE STRANDED AT A TRUCK STOP, THAT OFFICER NOT ONLY FOUND SHELTER FOR THEM, BUT USED HIS OWN MONEY TO BUY THEM GROCERIES AND GIFT CARDS TO GET ADDITIONAL ITEMS.

>> AND LUKE.

>> MY A GOES TO THE MOHAWK VALLEY HEALTH SYSTEM FOR THEIR RECENT AND SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTION OF MEDICAL EQUIPMENT TO THE UTICA ZOO.

THIS WILL HELP TAKE CARE OF THE ANIMALS AT THE ZOO WHICH HAS BEEN A GREAT COMMUNITY RESOURCE FOR MANY YEARS.

>> OKAY.

I USED TO GO TO THE ZOO AS A KID.

AIM GLAD TO TO SEE THAT THAT IS STILL GOING AND THAT THE HEALTH SYSTEM HAS MADE A DONATION.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US THIS EVENING.

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