
Zelenskyy makes case to Congress for more aid for Ukraine
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Zelenskyy makes his case to Congress for more U.S. aid in Ukraine's fight against Russia
Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskyy is in Washington urging Congress to unfreeze badly needed military aid. The debate over U.S. aid comes as a declassified intelligence assessment details staggering losses for Russia. It shows nearly 90 percent of its pre-war force has been killed or wounded in Ukraine.
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Zelenskyy makes case to Congress for more aid for Ukraine
Clip: 12/12/2023 | 12m 10sVideo has Closed Captions
Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskyy is in Washington urging Congress to unfreeze badly needed military aid. The debate over U.S. aid comes as a declassified intelligence assessment details staggering losses for Russia. It shows nearly 90 percent of its pre-war force has been killed or wounded in Ukraine.
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Learn Moreabout PBS online sponsorshipA harsh winter has descended on Ukraine, a Volodymyr Zelenskyy is here in Washington, urging# Congress to unfreeze badly needed military aid.
AMNA NAWAZ: That debate over aid comes# as a declassified U.S. intelligence## assessment details staggering losses for Russia,## nearly 90 percent of its pre-war force# either killed or wounded in Uk Lisa Desjardins is on Capitol# Hill and begins our coverage.
LISA DESJARDINS: A president at war flanked# by Democratic and Republican leaders.
QUESTION: What does it mean if you# don't get aid by the end of the year?
LISA DESJARDINS: For Ukraine President# Volodymyr Zelenskyy,this third tr Washington after the Russian invasion# has been the most complicated, as Congress has slowed down talks# over whether to send him help.
He met with nearly all U.S.# senators in the morning.
SEN. CHUCK SCHUMER (D-NY): It was a very# powerful m it so clear how he needs help, but, if# he gets the help, he can win this war.
LISA DESJARDINS: Though a different message# from House Republicans.
Speaker Mike Johnson,## but not his full conference, met with Zelenskyy.
REP. MIKE JOHNSON (R-LA): What the Biden# administration billions of additional dollars# with no appropriate oversigh no clear strategy to win, and none of the answers# that I think the American LI SA DESJARDINS: Zelenskyy's trip come as Congress# is divided over President Biden's request for an## additional $110 billion.
That would include# some $61 billion in aid for Ukraine, about## $14 billion each for Israel and border security,# and more than $9 billion for humanitarian aid.
Senators told us Zelenskyy# was powerful and impressive,## but, for Senate Republicans, that's not the issue.
Migrant crossings into the U.S.# continue to set new records,## hitting more than 10,000 apprehensions# per day by Border Patrol in the past## few weeks.
Republicans say, until# there are significant policy changes,## like dramatically curbing asylum and parole,# they will not approve money for Ukraine.
SEN. KEVIN CRAMER (R-ND): An investment of# U.S. dollars into Ukraine's defense is a good## investment, but it doesn't change the context, it# doesn't change the criteria for me, and that is,## we have to defend ourselves first.
And we can# demonstrate that by securing the Southern border.
LISA DESJARDINS: All this comes as# Ukraine's monthslong counteroffensive## that began in June is frozen# in place as winter descends.
And a new U.S. assessment says Russia# believes a military deadlock through the## winter would drain Western support for# Ukraine and advantage Moscow.
Democrats## on Capitol Hill are the Ukraine hawks# and warning that time is running out,## with Congress scheduled to recess# for the holidays later this week.
REP. PETE AGUILAR (D-CA): We stand ready# and willing to engage on these topics and## to provide assistance.
But we also understand the# timeline ahead of us.
Th JOE BIDEN, President of the United States:# And I'm willing to do significantly more.
LISA DESJARDINS: President Biden has# bu t Democrats and Republicans# are far apart on a possible Now Republican Senate Leader Mitch McConnell is# openly saying Biden must personally g JOE BIDEN: Welcome back.
LISA DESJARDINS: W JOE BIDEN: We want to see Ukraine win# the war.
And as I have said before,## winning means Ukraine is a# sovereign, independent nation,## and that can afford to defend itself# today and deter further aggression.
VOLODYMYR ZELENSKYY, Ukrainian# President: Putin wants -- wants## a prolonged war.
We dream of# a Christmas in t of course, and we are working to turn# our battlefield success into peace.
LISA DESJARDINS: Ukraine and# those near it are waiting to## see what the White House and Congress do next.
AMNA NAWAZ: And Lisa joins# us now from Capitol Hill,## Laura Barron-Lopez is here with me in studio,# and Nick Nick, you were at that press conference there# at the White House.
As Lisa just reported,## President Zelenskyy made a passionate,# powerful case for continued support.## What's the context we need to understand# here for that message he's delivering?
NICK SCHIFRIN: Amna, it's a bit of a# Hail Mary, because, as Lisa reported,## without significant border concessions,# Congress is not going to pass the te billions of dollars that Ukraine needs.# At least they won't pass it right now.
And Ukraine is also concerned that# Hungary is on the verge this week of# blocking tens of billions of dollars# of European aid.
And for Ukrain Ukraine says that both of those packages are# the difference between victory and defeat.
And what does that mean?
Ukraine thinks# that, without that money, it will run out## of air defense that prevents Russian jets from# flying all over the country.
th at it won't ever get enough long-range# missiles to threaten Russian-occupied Crimea,## which Zelenskyy said today was one of# the ways Ukraine could win the war.
And Ukraine is concerned that it won't be able# to pay its bills.
Its government needs $4 billion## a month just to pay its bills.
Samantha Power,# USAID director, today said that, without ongoing## economic assistance, Putin can win the war# without Russian forces firing another shot.
That said, Amna, it's important to# note that the Pentagon says it's has## $900 million worth of funds that it# could use to repleni that it can still send to Ukraine today,# even if Congress doesn't pass that aid.
AMNA NAWAZ: Laura, you know a number of foreign# leaders come to visit Washington.
Presiden doesn't always host a joint press conference# like the one today.
What does th is war and also the threat of no more# aid for Ukraine mean for President Biden?
LAURA BARRON-LOPEZ: It's a big# deal for the president, Amna.
I mean, the president, as well as the White# House, has made cl that if additional funding is not passed by# Congress, then the money that they currently## have allocated for Ukraine, it runs out# at the end of the year.
And aides inside## the White House are definitely frustrated.# That's what I have been hearing from them.
They essentially are saying that# the president's key foreign policy## mission of keeping NATO unified in the face of# Russian aggression is at stake here.
And, also,## the president has promised that he is someone who# can maintain U.S. leadership on the world stage,## he can combat autocracies and authoritarianism.# And if this doesn't happen, if this doesn't pass,## then it's much more difficult to# keep allies united on that front.
Another big thing, Amna, is that President Biden# is trying to make this argument alongs Ukrainian president, this pressure campaign on# Congress.
And the two big messages from him are,## Putin won't stop there, won't stop here.
We heard# him say that tonight.
He won't stop at Ukraine,## as well as helping an ally without# having to commit U.S. troops,## helping an ally degrade the military# of one of the biggest adversaries## that is Russia should be a key national# security priority for the United States.
And you heard him say that he would hope# that Republicans would not listen -- would## not align themselves with Russia and the# propaganda that is coming out of Russia.
AMNA NAWAZ: So, Lisa, take# us inside Capitol Hill now.
Republicans were there.
They# personally hea from President Zelenskyy.
Are their# demands on border policy still LI SA DESJARDINS: People should understand# all of the big negotiations we have on the## Hill -- think about the Affordable Care Act.
Think## about the debt ceiling.
That's what's Republicans, no, they are not changing their# position.
They point to the border.
They say## all of those apprehensions, those# border numbers, those encounters,## they feel like they are in the right# here.
They also feel like they have t momentum because President Biden has said# that he is willing t So then you bring all of that down and you# look at what exactly Republicans are asking,## though.
That's where we have got some# issues with Democrats.
Let's look at## three things that they're asking, for example.
First, on asylum, Republicans would# at least, asylum seekers from entering# this country, especially those from South## and Central America.
They would like to# make expedited removal a national program,## meaning that some immigration officers could# challenge almost anyone in this country.
And if they weren't documented,# felt like they were undocumented,## they could expedite removal.
And then also they# would li including humanitarian parole.
Now, some of those# programs, Democrats think could be adjusted,## but they are worried that what Republicans are# proposing here could lead to a national dragnet## that could sweep up people who have legitimate# claims and even have legal status in this country.
So that's where those talks are right now.
AMNA NAWAZ: So, Lisa, where do negotiatio LISA DESJARDINS: All of this, the Ukraine# aid, Israel aid, and the border talks,## are really just hanging on the# edge of a knife right now, Amna.
But, tonight, there is a very slight# reason for hope.
I j a meeting with DHS Secretary Mayorkas# behind closed doors with three senators,## a Republican, Jim Lankford of Oklahoma, and# then independent Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona,## and Chris Murphy of Connecticut, Democrat, as well# as staffers, the White House getting involved.
Kyrsten Sinema walked out of that meeting and told# me that they did make substantiv progress.
We all## have heard that before, but there is hope that# they can do this.
They are running out of time.## No one can get to an airplane more quickly than# a member of Congress before a holiday recess.
Senator Schumer has asked leaders# to stay in town.
But, right now,## I have got to tell you, the entire# House of Representatives is getting## to leave on Thursday.
This next day will be# critical to see AMNA NAWAZ: Laura, what about other# Democrats?
What kind of pressure are## they putting on the White House right now# as the White House get these talks?
And where do the American people# stand on this issue of more aid LA URA BARRON-LOPEZ: Democrats are putting a# lot of pressure on the White House right now.
They're very concerned.
Based on what Lisa just# outlin to the parole systems that Republicans are# proposing, that the White House may concede## on that.
They're hearing that the White House# is open to things like that.
And they don't## want that to happen.
So they're going to be# applying a lot of pressure on the presiden Democrats are going to incoming days be talking# a lot more about this, holding Bu t as for where voters stand Amna, we have a new# "NewsHour"/NPR/Marist poll that will be released## tomorrow.
And we ask voters if they believe# the U.S. should authorize additional funding## to support both Ukraine and Israel.
A total of# 32 percent said yes.
That's 41 percent Democrat 26 percent of Republicans are saying more# support and 32 percent of independents.
And then for those that believe that# the U.S. should not authorize additional## funding for either war, a total of# 36 percent, 24 percent of Democrats,## 39 percent of Republicans, and# 38 percent of independents.
So, in total, our poll found that 48# percent of Americans support giving## additional aid to Ukraine.
But you see# that there's not a lot of support there## among Republicans in particular.
One# thing that is kind of key context there,## Amna, and Senate Minority Leader Mitch# McConnell has said himself that support## among Republicans has gone down because of the# rhetoric from former Preside AMNA NAWAZ: Nick, when you look# at where the war is right now,## a war you spent so much time# covering on the head of the Ukrainian military# is now calling the war a Wh at does that mean for U.S. policy?
NICK SCHIFRIN: Well, publicly, Amna, the# administ and President Biden reiterated# his definition of victory today.
But senior U.S. officials are beginning to# say that, if, if U.S. support what they want to see in 2024 is Ukraine# holding the line, even if, as you say,## that that means a stalemate on the front,# and that, by the end of 2024, U.S., European,## Ukrainian domestic arms production# could come online to the point where,## believe it or not, Ukraine could go# back on the counteroffensive in 2025.
But that assumes, of course, Biden# wins reelection.
It also assumes, Amna,## that in 2025 Ukraine can do more with those# new weapons that it hasn't already done wit $110 billion of aid, and neither Ukrainian# nor U.S. officials have explained that yet.
AMNA NAWAZ: Nick Schifrin at the White# House, Lisa Desjardins on Capitol Hill,## Laura Barron-Lopez here with me# in studio, thank you to you all.
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