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TED: COMING UP NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON."

THE RAMIFICATIONS OF THE U.S. GOVERNMENT MOVING TO RECLASSIFY MARIJUANA AS A LESS DANGEROUS DRUG.

>>> ALSO TONIGHT, A LESS INVASIVE PROCEDURE TO REPAIR DAMAGED HEART VALVES.

>>> AND CONFRONTING SEXUAL VIOLENCE WITH CREATIVE EXPRESSION.

THOSE STORIES AND MORE NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON."

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TED: GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO "ARIZONA HORIZON."

I'M TED SIMONS.

CHECK OF HEADLINES.

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TRUMP IS CHARGED WITH COVERING UP A $130,000 PAYMENT TO DANIELS.

MIKE JOHNSON VOWED TO GO AFTER THOSE PROSECUTING TRUMP.

>> PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS DONE NOTHING WRONG AND CONTINUES TO BE THE TARGET OF ENDLESS WARFARE.

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>>> U.S. DRUG ENFORCEMENT ADMINISTRATION IS MOVING TO RECLASSIFY MARIJUANA AS A LESS TIGHTLY REGULATED SUBSTANCE.

DEA'S PROPOSAL WOULD AMONG OTHER THINGS RECOGNIZE THE MEDICAL USES OF CANNABIS AND OPEN MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR CANNABIS RESEARCH.

JOINING US NOW IS WILL HUMBLE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC HEALTH ASSOCIATION.

GOOD TO SEE YOU, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

>> THANKS FOR HAVING US.

TED: DEA MOVING TO RECLASSIFY MARIJUANA, WHY?

>> A LONG TIME COMING IN MY OPINION.

SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED A LONG TIME AGO.

THE CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES ACT WAS PASSED IN 1970, AND CHARGED THE DEA, DRUG ENFORCEMENT ADMINISTRATION, WITH CLASSIFYING DRUGS DEPENDING ON MEDICAL -- POSSIBLE MEDICAL USE BUT POTENTIAL FOR ABUSE AND DEPENDENCY, SO IT GOES FROM SCHEDULE ONE WHICH IS THE MOST RESTRICTIVE CATEGORY THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT TO SCHEDULE FIVE.

SO WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO DO, THE ADMINISTRATION, IS MOVE IT FROM WHERE IT IS RIGHT NOW, SCHEDULE ONE, THE MOST TIGHTLY REGULATED CATEGORY TO SCHEDULE THREE.

SO IT REMOVES MANY OF THE RESTRICTIONS ON THINGS LIKE RESEARCH, WHICH YOU TALKED ABOUT AT THE TOP.

TED: SCHEDULE ONE IS HEROIN, LSD, ECSTASY, SCHEDULE THREE IS?

>> AN EXAMPLE WILL BE TYLENOL WITH CODEINE, THAT'S A SCHEDULE THREE DRUG.

NEEDS A PRESCRIPTION, RIGHT?

BUT IT'S NOT AS TIGHTLY REGULATED, FOR EXAMPLE, AS SCHEDULE TWO.

SO THERE'S MORE CHECKS AND BALANCES IN THE PRESCRIBING SYSTEM, THE LOWER YOU GO IN THE CLASSIFICATION NUMBERS.

TED: I WAS GOING TO ASK, FROM SCHEDULE ONE TO SCHEDULE THREE, WHAT HAPPENED TO SCHEDULE TWO?

WHY DIDN'T THEY DROP IT THERE?

THINK IT WAS ENOUGH OF DROP TO THREE?

>> YOU GOT THE WRONG GUEST.

[LAUGHTER] >> I THINK IT SHOULD BE SCHEDULE FOUR OR FIVE, BUT I'M NOT ON THE TASK FORCE.

TED: RECOGNIZES MEDICAL USES, RECOGNIZES FEWER REASONS TO WORRY ABOUT ABUSE AND DEPENDENCY?

>> CORRECT.

BUT THE PRACTICAL IMPACT WOULD BE THAT YOU CAN START DOING RESEARCH WITH IT.

AT SCHEDULE ONE, NO MEDICAL USE, WHICH MEANS IF YOU'RE TRYING TO DO RESEARCH, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO EVEN ADMINISTER THE DRUG TO YOUR COHORT IN A CLINICAL TRIAL, BECAUSE IT'S SCHEDULE ONE.

SO THAT'S THE CATCH-22 THAT EVERYONE HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT ALL THESE YEARS IS THAT WHEN WE'RE DOING MEDICAL MARIJUANA, THEY'RE SAYING, WELL, THERE'S NO RESEARCH TO SHOW THAT IT'S EFFECTIVE FOR PTSD, THEN THEY'LL SAY, WE CAN'T DO THE RESEARCH BECAUSE IT'S SCHEDULE ONE, RIGHT?

TED: RIGHT.

>> THIS WOULD MAKE THE RESEARCH A LOT MORE POSSIBLE, AND FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN I WAS IN THE DIRECTOR JOB AT DHS, WE'D GET PETITIONS TO ADD NEW CONDITIONS TO THE MEDICAL MARIJUANA PROGRAM AND I KEPT TURNING THEM DOWN, EVERYONE WAS MAD AT ME.

WHY YOU TURN DOWN PTSD?

I WAS LIKE I NEED A CLINICAL TRIAL.

I'M NOT TAKING CUTOUTS FROM "ELLE" MAGAZINE WHICH THEY WERE SENDING IN.

I NEED SOMETHING I CAN USE TO MAKE THE DECISION, THAT'S WHY FROM A PUBLIC HEALTH POINT OF VIEW, THE BEST PART OF THIS IS WE'RE GOING TO FINALLY BE ABLE TO -- IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT EASIER TO DO RESEARCH ON THE DRUG.

TED: FROM A BUSINESS POINT OF VIEW, THERE'S A TAX IMPLICATION HERE, TRUE?

>> YES, THEY SHOULD BE HAPPY ONCE IT'S DONE AND MOVED TO SCHEDULE THREE BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, BEING A SCHEDULE ONE DRUG, THEY'RE TRAFFICKING AN ILLEGAL NARCOTIC ACCORDING TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

SO THE IRS, INTERNAL REVENUE SAYS YOU'RE TRAFFICKING, YOU CAN'T DEDUCT YOUR LABOR COSTS AND ALL YOUR BUSINESS EXPENSES.

YOU CAN'T DEDUCT THOSE BECAUSE YOU'RE TRAFFICKING IN A NARCOTIC THAT'S ILLEGAL.

IF YOU MOVE IT TO SCHEDULE THREE, THOSE DISPENSARIES SHOULD BE ABLE TO DEDUCT BUSINESS EXPENSES LIKE ANY OTHER BUSINESS.

TED: I'M SEEING MONEY, BUSINESS, OPPORTUNITY, AM I SEEING BIG PHARMA GETTING INVOLVED?

>> MAYBE, BUT I DOUBT IT.

IT COULD HAPPEN BECAUSE YOU MOVE TO SCHEDULE THREE, THAT MEANS THE DRUG COMPANIES CAN SAY, OH, OKAY, LET'S START DOING CLINICAL TRIALS.

LET'S START TRYING TO PRODUCE A DRUG WE CAN GET A PATENT ON THAT COULD BE AVAILABLE AT DRUGSTORES, REGULAR DRUGSTORES, ONCE IT GOT LICENSED BY THE FDA.

I'M NOT A BIG -- I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO REALLY HAPPEN BECAUSE THERE'S ALREADY A BIG MARKET, AND MOST OF THESE MEDICAL MARIJUANA STATES WITH PRODUCTS ON THE SHELF, DO THE DRUG COMPANIES WANT TO COMPETE WITH ALL THESE GENERICS?

I MEAN THEY WANT TO SPEND THE R&D MONEY ON THINGS THEY CAN MAKE A BUNCH OF MONEY ON THE BACK END, AND THAT'S NOT GUMMIES TO SLEEP WITH WITH THC AND CBD.

TED: OKAY, RECLASSIFICATION, OKAY?

ONE OF THE REASONS WAS IT WAS CONSIDERED NOT AN IMMEDIATE PRECURSOR TO THE HARDER STUFF.

>> RIGHT.

TED: WELL, I'M OLD ENOUGH TO KNOW FOR MOST OF MY LIFE, I'VE BEEN TOLD, AND WE LEARNED THAT MARIJUANA WAS THE GATEWAY DRUG.

IS THE DEA SAYING NOT NECESSARILY?

>> ONCE THEY GET FINISHED, THEY WILL BE SAYING.

THAT THEY HAVEN'T DONE IT YET.

STILL IN THE SCHEDULE ONE.

EVENTUALLY THEY'RE SAYING THERE'S LESS CHANCE FOR ADDICTION DEPENDENCY THAN WE SAID IN 1970, AND THEY'D BE RECOGNIZING THAT THERE ARE MEDICAL USES, WHICH ARE MOSTLY ANECDOTAL.

YOU LOOK AT PUBLISHED LEGISLATURE.

TED: WHAT'S AT PLAY HERE?

>> DEA NEEDS TO FINISH RULE MAKING.

THEY ANNOUNCED THEY INTEND TO DO THIS.

SO THE NEXT THING THEY NEED TO DO IS CHANGE THE REGULATIONS USING THE CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES ACT AUTHORITY THAT CONGRESS GAVE THEM AND PUBLISH THAT IN THE FEDERAL REGISTER, AND EVENTUALLY, ADMINISTRATIVE LAW JUDGE WILL LOOK AT THAT AND THEN DECIDE, OKAY, THEY DID IT THE RIGHT WAY, AND THEN IT COULD BE SCHEDULE THREE.

SO IT'S PROBABLY NOT HAPPENING, YOU KNOW, IN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS, BUT BY THIS TIME NEXT YEAR, PROBABLY YEAH.

TED: AND ONCE ALL SAID IS AND DONE, DOES THIS LEGALIZE MARIJUANA FOR RECREATIONAL USE?

>> NO.

SO IT WILL STILL BE SCHEDULE THREE.

THINK OF IT LIKE TYLENOL WITH CODEINE.

YOU CAN'T GO AROUND SELLING TYLENOL WITH CODEINE WITHOUT HAVING A PRESCRIPTION.

TED: RIGHT.

>> SO THAT'S GOING TO BE A BIG FLY IN THE OINTMENT HERE, HONESTLY, BECAUSE THE DISPENSARIES ARE STILL GOING TO BE DISPENSING MARIJUANA AT SCHEDULE THREE WITHOUT A PRESCRIPTION, WHICH IS A CONFLICT WITH -- TED: I WAS GOING TO SAY.

>> WITH THE LAW.

TED: THINGS DON'T MATCH UP HERE.

>> THAT'S WHY THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THE DISPENSARY WORLD THAT ARE WORRYING THAT THEY STILL WOULDN'T ENJOY THE ABILITY TO DEDUCT THEIR EXPENSES BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE.

THEY'RE GIVING AWAY MARIJUANA GUMMIES WITHOUT A PRESCRIPTION, WHICH YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO.

SO IT'S MESSY.

TED: YES, IT IS.

REAL QUICKLY.

TRAFFICKING WITHOUT PERMISSION IS DEFINITELY A NO-NO.

>> YES, ABSOLUTELY.

TED: NO-NO NOW, NO-NO THEN.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

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TED: A NEW MINIMALLY INVASIVE APPROACH TO TREATING PATIENTS WITH LIMITED CHOICES FOR HEART VALVE REPAIR WITHOUT THE NEED FOR EXTENSIVE SURGERY.

HERE TO TELL US MORE IS THE MEDICAL DIRECTOR AT BANNER ESTRELLA MEDICAL CENTER.

TALKING ABOUT AORTIC STENOSIS, WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT.

>> AORTIC STENOSIS IS ONE OF THE MOST COMMON CONDITIONS IN OLDER FOLKS WHO ARE 65 AND OLDER, WHERE THERE'S A VALVE IN THEIR BODY WHICH IS SO TIGHT THAT THE HEART IS UNABLE TO PUMP THE BLOOD FREELY INTO THE BODY, AND IT IS ONE CONDITION WHICH IS INCREASING IN PREVALENCE OVER THE YEARS IN THE ELDERLY POPULATION.

TED: DO WE KNOW WHY INCREASING PREVALENCE?

>> MORE AGING AND MORE OLD FOLKS.

SYMPTOMS WOULD BE -- >> SHORTNESS AND BREATH, THAT KIND OF THING?

>> SHORTNESS OF BREATH.

CHEST DISCOMFORT AND TIGHTNESS.

FATIGUE, TIREDNESS, SOMETIMES THEY CAN PASS OUT.

AND IT IS A -- CAN MANIFEST, THOSE ARE COMMON SYMPTOMS, MANY PATIENTS TRY TO CUT BACK ACTIVES OVER TIME.

TED: CAN LEAD TO HEART FAILURE AND DEATH?

>> IF YOU DON'T FIX IT, 50% OF PEOPLE DIE IN TWO YEARS.

TED: REALLY?

REPLACEMENT IS AN OPTION, HOW OFTEN DOES IT LEAD TO REPLACEMENT?

>> REPLACEMENT IS 3% OF THE POPULATION ABOVE 65 HAVE AORTIC STENOSIS, AS YOU SEE, AS PEOPLE AGE, WE SEE MORE AND MORE OF THE CONDITION, AND WE GRADE THE AORTIC STENOSIS MILD OR MODERATE OR SEVERE, AND ONCE YOU GO SEVERE STAGE, YOU HAVE TO FIX IT MECHANICALLY, THERE'S NO MEDICATION WHICH CAN FIX IT.

TED: RIGHT, RIGHT.

>> PATIENTS WILL HAVE FATIGUE, TIRED, SYMPTOMATIC, SOME PATIENTS WIND DOWN, BECOME LESS ACTIVE AND PEOPLE THINK THEIR FINE BUT ACTIVITY IS CUT BACK, SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO SEEK OUT THE CARDIOLOGIST OR THE FAMILY DOCTOR IF YOU NOTICED THEY'RE TIRED, SHORT OF BREATH OR CHEST DISCOMFORT.

TED: THIS IS WHERE T-A-V-R COMES IN.

>> FOR MANY YEARS, THE ONLY WAY TO FIX THE AORTIC VALVE WAS DO OPEN-HEART SURGERY.

MIDLINE INCISION AND PUT A NEW VALVE INSIDE AND CLEAN THE OLD VALVE OUT, PUT A NEW VALVE INSIDE.

FOR THE LAST TEN YEARS NOW, WE HAVE THIS TECHNOLOGY, ALMOST 12 YEARS, WHERE YOU CAN GO THROUGH A BIG ARTERY IN THE GROIN ALL THE WAY TO THE HEART AND PUT A VALVE INSIDE THE OLD VALVE AND DEPLOY IN SUCH A WAY THAT PATIENT CAN BE DISCHARGED WITHIN 24 HOURS.

TED: REALLY?

>> AND CAN GO HOME THE NEXT DAY.

TED: MY GOODNESS, AND THAT'S COMMON?

>> IT'S VERY COMMON CONDITION AND AVERAGE IN U.S.

RIGHT NOW, WE DO ABOUT 100,000 TO 120,000 VALVES EVERY YEAR.

TED: MINIMALLY INVASIVE, DOES IT -- IT SOUNDS LIKE IT REPLACES THE VALVE KIND OF?

DOES THE OLD VALVE STAY IN THERE?

>> THE OLD VALVE ACTS LIKE AN ANCHOR, THERE IS CALCIUM IN THE OLD VALVE AND THE NEW VALVE GOES INTO THE OLD VALVE AND ONCE YOU DEPLOY IT, IT HOLDS IN PLACE.

TED: CAN YOU MOVE THE SAME DAY?

>> FOUR HOURS LATER AND SEND THE PATIENT HOME THE NEXT DAY.

TED: WOW.

>> UNLIKE WHEN YOU HAD OPEN-HEART SURGERY, YOU WERE IN THE HOSPITAL FIVE TO SEVEN DAYS.

TED: COMPLICATIONS MORE LIKELY WITH THE OPEN-HEART SURGERY?

>> STROKE IS HIGHER, INFECK RISK IS HIGHER WHICH IS SIMILAR WITH THE PACEMAKER SOMETIMES.

TED: YEAH, AS FAR AS BLOOD THINNERS, HOW DO THEY PLAY INTO ALL THIS?

>> USUALLY MOST PATIENTS REQUIRES ASPIRIN AND THEN PILL CALLED PLAVIX, THEY ARE BLOOD THINNERS TO MAKE SURE THE BLOOD STAYS THIN.

WE MAKE SURE THE PATIENTS TAKE ANTIBIOTICS IN CASE THEY HAVE INFECTION OR DENTAL WORK DONE.

TED: HOW LONG DO THEY STAY ON THE MEDICATION?

>> ASPIRIN IS FOR LIFE, AND THE PLAVIX IS FOR THREE MONTHS.

TED: IT HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR TEN YEARS NOW?

>> TEN, 12 YEARS, WE'RE BRINGING THIS TO THE WEST VALLEY AREA AT BANNER ESTRELLA AND TO HELP THE COMMUNITY ON THAT SIDE.

TED: ARE THERE RISKS?

YOU MENTIONED RISKS FOR OPEN-HEART SURGERY, T-A-V-R, RISK FACTORS?

>> WE CALL IT BICUSPID AORTIC VALVE, MANY OF THOSE PEOPLE WILL GET DISEASE IN THE 50s AND 60s, AND SOME END UP GETTING DISEASE IN THE 70s, BUT THE MOST COMMON RISK MARKER IS AGE AND DISPOSITION.

TED: WITH THAT IN MIND, WHO'S A GOOD CANDIDATE?

WHO'S A NOT SO GOOD CANDIDATE FOR T-A-V-R?

>> ANYBODY OVER 65 AND OLDER, DEFINITELY 70 AND OLDER, THE OLDEST PATIENT I'VE DONE IS 93 YEARS OLD, AND HE WENT HOME THE NEXT DAY.

ONE OF THE MOST AMAZING PROCEDURES WHERE YOU CAN FIX THE VALVE AND SEND THE PATIENT HOME THE NEXT DAY AND THEY FEEL SO MUCH BETTER, THEY CAN WALK MORE, THEY CAN BREATHE BETTER.

TED: SOUNDS LIKE GREAT, GREAT STUFF.

MEDICAL ADVANCES WE DO ON THE SHOW ALL THE TIME.

AMAZING HOW FAR THINGS GO.

BEST OF SUCCESS AT BANNER ESTRELLA, GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

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TED: SEXUAL ASSAULT CONTINUES TO BE AMONG THE MOST UNDERREPORTED OF CRIMES WITH VICTIMS OFTEN RELUCTANT TO COME FORWARD DUE TO MISTREATMENT FROM THEIR COMMUNITIES AND THE LEGAL SYSTEM.

TWO ASU PROFESSORS ARE HOPING TO HELP CHANGE THAT WITH A NEW BOOK OF ART, TITLED ART, ACTIVISM AND SEXUAL VIOLENCE, HOW ARTISTS CAN FIGHT AND PREVENT SEXUAL VIOLENCE THROUGH CREATIVE EXPRESSION, SALLY AND DAWN AT WALTER CRONKITE SCHOOL OF JOURNALISM.

SALLY, START WITH YOU, THE IDEA OF CREATIVE EXPRESSION WAS SUCH A SERIOUS TOPIC.

HOW DID THIS COME ABOUT?

>> A STORY CONNECTED WITH ASU THAT GOT US STARTED, YOU MAY REMEMBER UNDER PRESIDENT OBAMA'S ADMINISTRATION, THERE WAS FEDERAL MONEY AVAILABLE TO UNIVERSITIES TO TRY TO STAVE OFF SEXUAL VIOLENCE ON CAMPUSES, ASU DECIDED THAT CREATIVE EXPRESSION WAS AN ANSWER TO A PROBLEM THAT AFTER ALL WAS CULTURAL.

SO A CULTURAL ANSWER TO A CULTURAL PROBLEM, AND WE SPENT A COUPLE OF YEARS HAVING CREATED EXPRESSION CREATED ON CAMPUS.

FLASH FORWARD, PEOPLE WHO WORKED ON THIS, INCLUDING DAWN AND MYSELF, DECIDED TO TRY DO A BOOK, NOT SO MUCH ABOUT THE ASU PROJECT, BUT ABOUT ART BEING USED AS A MECHANISM OF SOCIAL TRANSFORMATION.

TED: DAWN, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A LOOK AT IMAGES FROM THE BOOK.

DID IT TURN OUT THE WAY YOU THOUGHT IT WOULD, WHEN IT FIRST STARTED?

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>> THE BOOK HAS GONE THROUGH MANY EVOLUTIONS, MY FIRST CHANCE TO EDIT A VOLUME, SO IT'S BEEN A REAL LEARNING PROCESS, INVOLVING SO MANY DIFFERENT AUTHORS AND ARTISTS AND THE ROSTER HAS CHANGED OVER TIME.

SO I WOULD HAVE TO SAY IT'S TURNED OUT MUCH, MUCH BETTER THAN I COULD HAVE IMAGINED IN THE BEGINNING.

TED: THAT'S THE BEST WAY.

TAKE A LOOK AT ENTRIES AND THE ARTWORK.

THE FIRST IS CALLED POINT OF ENTRY, AN OIL AND ACRYLIC PIECE.

DAWN, START WITH YOU.

WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT HERE?

>> THIS IS WORK BY AN ARTIST NAMED SUZANNE SLAVIC, FROM A SERIES SHE DID.

ANOTHER PIECE IS THE COVER AFTER THE THE BOOK.

THIS IS A MATTRESS WITH BLOOD STAINS AND BULLET HOLES, SO THIS IS A THEME OF THE PHASE OF HER WORK, AND IT SHOWS THE JUXTAPOSITION OF WHAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE A COMFORTING, SAFE ENVIRONMENT, LIKE YOUR BED, YOUR MATTRESS OR THE DOMESTIC SETTING AND HOW IT IS SO OFTEN A SETTING INSTEAD FOR VIOLENCE AND DEATH.

TED: SALLY, THAT'S A WAY TO SAY SOMETHING WITHOUT SAYING IT, BUT SHOWING IT, AND MAKING IT EVEN HARD ARE.

>> AND THE EMOTIONAL IMPACT OF THESE IMAGES ALL THROUGHOUT THE BOOK, I THINK.

IT CAN BE SEEN THAT WHAT IT DOES TO THE VIEWER OR THE PARTICIPANT IN A PERFORMANCE IS REALLY TRANSFORM THE WAY THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE ISSUE, AND WE HAVE LOTS OF COMMENTS FROM VIEWERS FROM THE BOOK THAT TALK ABOUT HOW IT CHANGED THEIR MINDS AND PERSPECTIVE BY SEEING THE ART.

TED: SALLY, THE NEXT ONE IS CALLED HOUSES.

THIS INCLUDES A QUOTE FROM A -- IS THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON HERE?

DID I GET THAT RIGHT?

>> THIS IS PART OF A SERIES OF QUILTS MADE BY A QUILT MAKER NAMED RUDA MARINO AND HAD A PROJECT ASKING VICTIMS AND SURVIVORS TO TALK ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE SAID TO THEM AS THEY WERE VICTIMIZING THEM, MOSTLY AS CHILDREN, AND THESE QUILTS, WHICH AGAIN EVOKE THE COZY, DOMESTIC, ISN'T THIS COMFY HOME, THROUGH THESE TRADITIONAL QUILT PATTERNS JUXTAPOSED WITH VERY FRIGHTENING AND ALARMING KINDS OF PHRASES THAT PEOPLE HEAR.

TED: THE JUXTAPOSITION IS BIG THERE.

THE NEXT ONE, DAWN, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A LOT OF JUX CA POSITION, THIS IS WHY I DIDN'T REPORT.

THIS IS SELF-EXPLANATORY.

>> THIS IS A FELLOW CRONKITE PROFESSOR, LESLIE JEAN THORNTON, WHO CREATED IMAGES AT THE HEIGHT OF THE #METOO MOVEMENT PRIMARILY ON INSTAGRAM AND WORK BY ARTISTS, AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT IT SAYS, WHY I DIDN'T REPORT?

IT IS FEAR OF NOT BEING BELIEVED, FEAR OF BEING ACCUSED, PROVOKING, THE COMMON THINGS PEOPLE OFTEN HEAR WHEN THEY SPEAKING OUT ABOUT SEXUAL VIOLENCE THAT THEY'VE ENCOUNTERED.

TED: THAT ONE IS CLEAR AND MAKE ACE STRONG STATEMENT.

DAWN, STICKING WITH YOU.

THE NEXT ONE IS CALLED STOP.

THIS ONE AGAIN, PRETTY SELF-EXPLANATORY.

>> YES AND NO, THERE'S MORE LAYERS TO THIS.

I'M NOT THE ARTIST SO I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE INTENTION BEHIND IT.

ONE OF THE POINTS IN THE CHAPTER IS THE MOTIF OF THE HAND IS EXTREMELY PREVALENT IN A LOT OF THE THINGS WE SAW DURING ME TOO AND THE HAND CAN BE AS STANDING FOR AGENCY AND THE ABILITY TO ACT, AND SO SOMETIME THE HAND -- THIS IS A GREAT EXAMPLE.

THIS HAND CAN BE SEEN AS STOPPING SOMEONE, IMPLORING FOR HELP.

THERE ARE LOTS OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO INTERPRET THE HAND.

SO THAT, AGAIN, INVITES THE VIEWER INTO THE WORK OF ART, AND BY ENCOURAGING THIS ENGAGEMENT, IT ACTUALLY INCREASES EMPATHY THAT WE KNOW ABOUT.

TED: SALLY, YOU MENTIONED PERFORMANCES, THERE IS A DANCE PIECE WE'VE GOT A SHOT OF HERE.

IT'S NOT JUST ALL THINGS ON CANVASSES AND -- WHAT'S GOING ON HERE?

>> YOU CAN SEE FROM THE GESTURE THAT IT'S LIKE A BOW AND ARROW, AND I THINK THESE DANCES THAT WE DISCUSS IN THE BOOK HAVE TO DO WITH CREATING AGENCY AMONG VICTIMS, AND SURVIVORS, AND MOVING FROM THAT SENSE OF VICTIMHOOD TO A SENSE OF AGENCY AND BEING ABLE TO ACT IN THEIR OWN -- ON THEIR OWN BEHALF, AND THIS IS A LITTLE CLIP FROM A DANCE THAT WAS REALLY DEVOTED TO THAT KIND OF IDEA, THAT WE'RE GOING TO STAND UP AND SHOW OURSELVES AS STRONG AND CAPABLE, AND ONE THING INTERESTING ABOUT THE DANCE PIECES IS THAT THERE'S SEXUAL VIOLENCE AND SEXUAL HARASSMENT IN BALLET, AND SO MANY OF THE PERFORMERS ARE ALSO SPEAKING TO THEIR OWN ART FORM, AND THEIR REFUSAL TO REMAIN VICTIMS WENT WORLD OF BALLET AND DANCE.

TED: REAL QUICKLY, RUNNING OUT OF TIME.

DAWN, WHAT DO YOU WANT FOLKS TO TAKE FROM THE BOOK?

>> WE WANT THEM TO THINK ABOUT ART MAYBE DIFFERENTLY.

ONE OF THE THINGS YOU MENTIONED AT THE TOP IS SEXUAL VIOLENCE IS EXTREMELY UNDERREPORTED.

VERY LIMITED DATA BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE DATA ARE MEASURED, BUT ART IS A WAY THAT ANYONE CAN DESCRIBE THEIR EXPERIENCES AND PUT IT OUT THERE, AND SO BEING AWARE OF THE POWER OF ART TO MAKE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THE PHENOMENON AND EMPATHIZE WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE EXPERIENCING IT, I THINK, IS ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS, AS SALLY SAID, SOCIAL TRANSFORMATION.

TED: CONGRATULATIONS ON THE BOOK AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US AND SHARING THIS.

>> THANK YOU.

TED: THAT'S IT FOR NOW.

I'M TED SIMONS.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

YOU HAVE A GREAT EVENING.