INEVITABLE INEVITABLE INEVITABLE INEVITABLE ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE COULD BE DESCRIBED AS THE INEVITABLE NEXT STEP IN TECHNOLOGY.

ITS ABILITY TO GATHER INFORMATION, ADAPT AND LEARN COULD TRANSFORM SYSTEMS LIKE EDUCATION, FINANCE, HEALTHCARE AND CREATIVE ARTS.

THAT ABILITY RAISES REGULATORY, LEGAL, PRIVACY AND ETHICAL QUESTIONS.

THE POSSIBILITIES ARE ENDLESS AND ARE BOTH EXCITING AND SCARY, SO SHOULD WE EMBRACE OR FEAR A.I.?

TONIGHT’S LIVE BROADCAST AND LIVE STREAM OF KAKOU, HAWAII’S TOWN HALL, START NOW.

ALOHA AND WELCOME TO KAKOU: HAWAII’S TOWN HALL LIVE FROM THE HARRY AND JEANETTE WEINBERG MULTI‑MEDIA STUDIO.

I’M YUNJI DE NIES.

COMPUTERS THAT CAN PASS THE BAR EXAM, SELF‑DRIVING CARS, VOICE ASSISTANTS LIKE SIRI OR ALEXA THAT CAN ANSWER A QUESTION FASTER THAN MOST OF US CAN TYPE IT OUT.

ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE OR A.I.

IS HERE AND MOST OF US ARE USING IT IN SOME FORM EVERY DAY.

IT IS HARD TO OVERSTATE JUST HOW UBIQUITOUS THESE TOOLS ARE AND MANY OF US RELY ON THEM MORE AND MORE.

A.I.

CAN PROCESS INFORMATION FASTER THAN THE HUMAN BRAIN.

THAT’S LED TO WONDERFUL INNOVATIONS.

IN MEDICINE, A.I.‑POWERED DIAGNOSTIC TOOLS CAN BE QUICKER AND MORE ACCURATE, ROBOTIC SURGEONS MORE PRECISE.

IN FINANCE, ALGORITHMS CAN QUICKLY SPOT AND STOP FRAUD.

THE LIST GOES ON, BUT THERE’S ALSO A DANGEROUS DOWNSIDE.

FALSE INFORMATION OR SO‑CALLED DEEP FAKES CAN MANIPULATE COMMUNITIES OR SWAY VOTERS, AND AUTONOMOUS WEAPON SYSTEMS, BY DESIGN HAVE NO HUMANITY.

KAKOU MEANS ALL OF US, AS IN WE ARE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER.

AND WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT, THIS TECHNOLOGY IS A PART OF OUR LIVES.

WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU IN OUR DISCUSSION.

YOU CAN EMAIL OR CALL IN YOUR QUESTIONS.

WE’RE ALSO STREAMING LIVE AT PBSHAWAII.ORG AND ON THE PBS HAWAII FACEBOOK AND YOUTUBE PAGES.

IN OUR TOWN HALL, WE HAVE ENGINEERS, EDUCATORS, STUDENTS, CYBER‑SECURITY EXPERTS, ARTISTS, WRITERS, AND AN ATTORNEY.

NOW LET’S BEGIN.

BEFORE WE GET TO OUR PANEL, WE’LL DIRECT THE FIRST QUESTION TO CHATGPT.

THIS IS AN OPEN AI TOOL ON YOUR PHONE DESIGNED TO RESPOND TO A PERSON.

WE HAVE IT RATE HERE OF THE ACTIVATE AND ASKER WHAT IS A SIMPLE DEFINITION OF ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE?

>> PROVIDE MORE CONTEXT OR CLARIFY WHAT YOU MEAN BY ACTIVATE AND ASK.

>>Yunji: LET'S TRY AGAIN.

WHAT IS A SIMPLE DEFINITION OF ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE?

>> SURE.

ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE OR A.I.

IS WHEN COMPUTERS OR MACHINES CAN DO TASKS THAT TYPICALLY REQUIRE HUMAN INTELLIGENCE.

LIKE LEARNING, REIGNING, PROBLEM‑SOLVING AND UNDERSTANDING LANGUAGE.

>>Yunji: LET'S TAKE THAT AND BUILD OFF OF IT.

WITH OUR HUMAN INTELLIGENCE HERE IN THE STUDIO.

I WANT TO DIRECT OUR FIRST QUESTION TONIGHT TO RILEY HIGA.

SENIOR MACHINE LEARNING ENGINEER FOR SUMA LOGIC AND SECURITY AND MONITORING COMPANY BUILD ON WHAT ChatGPT JUST TOLD US WHAT IS ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE?

SIMPLE DEFINITION.

>> KIND OF TWO TYPES OF A.I.

THAT I THINK ABOUT.

KIND OF SCIENCE FICTION VERSION OF A.I.

ARTIFICIAL GENERAL INTELLIGENCE IS BASICALLY A.I.

SYSTEM THAT COULD DO THE TASK THAT HUMAN CAN DO.

IT DOES A LOT OF GENERAL TASKS.

SO THINGS LIKE IT HAS WHAT I REFER TO AS MULTIMODALITY.

WORK WITH IMAGES, VIDEOS, ALL KINDS OF FORMATS OF DATA.

AND THEN THE OTHER SIDE OF A.I.

WHICH IS KIND OF TOOLS WE HAVE NOW, IS ANOTHER VERSION OF A.I.

DEALING WITH AI THAT CAN DO SPECIFIC TASKS LIKE ChatGPT, OR TEXT TO IMAGE, GENERATORS LIKE DALI, SO THAT TYPE OF A.I.

IS MORE OF A NARROW FOCUS OF COMPARISON TO ARTIFICIAL GENERAL INTELLIGENCE.

>>Yunji: SO VAST.

WE'RE GOING TO GET INTO ALL OF IT TONIGHT.

GO TO TREVOR OZAWA JOURNALIST WITH THE DEEP UNDERSTANDING OF ALL THINGS TECH.

A LOT OF US ARE INTERACTING WITH A.I.

ON A DAILY BASIS AND PERHAPS NOT EVEN REALIZING IT.

>> I WONDER GOING THERE'S A UNIQUE WAY FOLKS IN HAWAII MAY BE USING THESE TOOLS.

>> I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DEVELOPMENT OF ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE BASED LARGE LANGUAGE MODELS BASICALLY MASSIVE DROVES OF LANGUAGE ACROSS THE INTERNET.

LIBRARY COLLECTION.

IS HAWAII WELL REPRESENTED IN THESE DATA SET?

HAWAIIAN CULTURE WELL REPRESENTED IN THESE DATA SET?

I THINK THAT WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF REALLY INTERESTING THINGS SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE UNDER‑REPRESENTED CULTURES ARE UNDER‑REPRESENTED IN THESE DATA SETS.

THERE WAS RECENTLY SCANDAL WHERE GOOGLE TRIED TO INTRODUCE ARTIFICIAL DIVERSITY INTO ITS IMAGE GENERATION.

>> BECAUSE IT WASN'T BASED ON ANYTHING THAT ACTUALLY EXISTED IN ITS DATA SET DOING THINGS LIKE MAKING CHINESE PEOPLE NAZI UNIFORMS.

ABSOLUTELY FAKING THE KIND OF DEI THINGS THAT I BELIEVE WE'RE ALL TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.

SO I WOULD LOOK AT KAMUELA IN TERMS OF WHAT NATIVE HAWAIIANS AND WHAT HAWAIIAN CULTURE CAN DO WITH A.I.

TO IMPROVE ITS REPRESENTATION.

>>Yunji: WE KNOW THAT THAT IS SOME OF THE WORK THAT YOU ARE DOING.

TELL US ABOUT HOW WE MAKE SURE THAT INDIGENOUS POPULATIONS ARE REPRESENTED IN THIS WORK WE KNOW THAT IS A LOT OF WHAT YOUR FOCUS IS ON.

>> ONE OF THE THINGS I STARTING WITH, OFFICE I WORK WITH IDEA TABLE ON THE MENU.

SO MUCH OF A.I.

UNDERSTOOD CAN BE EXTRACTED.

PROJECT WE ARE PART OF MULTINATIONAL CONGLOMERATE OF INDIGENOUS PEOPLE PUTTING TOGETHER CASE FOR A.I.

NOT JUST NECESSARILY LIKE VOUCHING FOR IT PER SE.

BUT UNDERSTANDING UBIQUITOUS.

GENERAL PREMISE IS WHEN WE MAKE INTELLIGENCE PLURAL, INTELLIGENCES, YOU UNDERSTAND THAT INTELLIGENCE CAN'T BE SINGULAR THING.

DIFFERENT THINGS, DIFFERENT WORLD VIEWS.

>> INDIGENOUS COMMUNITIES NOT USED TO HAVING EXTRACTED SPACE TO CREATE TO LOOK AT IT ANCESTORS INDIGENOUS PEOPLE HAD A PROCESS TO VET NEW TECHNOLOGIES AND QUITE OFTEN, HOW DOES IT OPTIMIZE OUR ABILITY TO LIVE IN PLACE TO BE ABUNDANT AND ENSURE THAT NEXT GENERATIONS CAN CONTINUE OUR PRACTICES.

SPEAKING IN GENERAL TERMS OF A LOT OF COMPLEX WORK.

GENERAL PREMISE.

>>Yunji: I WANT TO MOVE NOW TO SEAN WATASE FOUND OF BLOCK STUDIO 3.

>> HELPS TO OPTIMIZE WORK FLOW WITH ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE TELL US ABOUT SO OF THE CLIENTS YOU WORK WITH, UTILIZING THIS TO MAKE WORK EASIER FOR THEM A LOT OF BUSY WORK WITH, DON'T REALIZE DAY‑TO‑DAY FLOWS AND TASKS WE DO CAN SIMPLIFY ALLOWING US TO INVEST TIME WHERE IT MATTERS.

WHAT I DO IS SIT DOWN WITH BUSINESSES, TALK ABOUT OKAY, WHAT IS IT THAT YOU'RE DOING YOUR DAILY OPERATION DAILY WORK?

DID YOU KNOW A.I.

OR AUTOMATION CAN DO THESE THINGS FOR YOU?

A LOT OF TIMES, THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT WE SAVE CLIENTS AND BUSINESSES WITH TIME THAT THEY HAD TO PERSONALLY PUT IN THEMSELVES TO THINGS LIKE ACCOUNTING OR GENERATE CONTENT, NOW THEY CAN FOCUS THAT TIME ELSEWHERE.

I THINK THAT IS A BIG POWER OF THIS TECHNOLOGY IS IT CAN HELP AND IMPROVE AREAS.

A LOT TIMES WE THINK A.I.

COULD BE FANCY TECHNOLOGY STUFF.

IT CAN REALLY HELP YOU IN THOSE REALLY SIMPLE TASKS.

SHARING KNOWLEDGE, GETTING TO KNOW IT AND HOW DO WE ACTUALLY IMPLEMENT THEM INTO OUR BUSINESS AND DAY‑TO‑DAY LIVES.

>>Yunji: THANK YOU.

I WANT TO MOVE NOW TO LIYA SAFINA CONSULTS WITH SOME.

WORLD'S LARGEST COMPANIES LIKE GOOGLE AND ALIBABA DIGITAL DESIGN AND INNOVATION.

>> TELL US WHAT EXCITES YOU ABOUT THESE TOOLS, PRACTICAL APPLICATION.

>> LOOK AT PRACTICAL APPLICATION, HELPFUL TO DIVIDE PERSONAL LIFE AND OUR PROFESSIONAL LIVES AROUND A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS THAT IS HAPPENING AROUND A.I.

IS TIED TO PROFESSIONAL LIVES.

SHOULD WE FEAR FOR OUR JOBS?

LEVERAGE A.I.

TO SAVE MORE MONEY?

AUTOMATE DIFFERENT THINGS?

PERSONAL SIDE, I ALSO AM REALLY EXCITED ABOUT ALL THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE WERE PASSIONATE ABOUT WHEN THEY WERE KIDS BEFORE THEY PICKED UP THEIR CAREERS FELL INTO THE CAREERS THEY ARE CURRENTLY DOING, THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING THAT YOU DID INTO THE GET A FORMAL EDUCATION ON.

PEOPLE ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT INTERIOR DESIGN.

FASHION DESIGN.

PEOPLE WANT TO DO SHORT MOVIES OR WRITE A TV SHOW.

THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT AREAS.

NOT NECESSARILY ONLY CREATIVE AREAS.

AND WE CAN LEVERAGE AI AS THAT SUPPORTING TOOL.

>> YOU DON'T HAVE TO FOR YOU HAVE EDUCATION IN FASHION DESIGN TO CREATE A FASHION COLLECTION.

YOU ONLY HAVE YOUR WORD, YOUR SENSE OF TASTE, YOUR REFERENCES AND YOUR VISION, AND YOU CAN EVEN USE MATERIALS THAT ARE COMPLETELY IMPOSSIBLE TO USE IN REAL LIFE.

LIKE VAPOR, OR WATER.

CREATE A FASHION COLLECTION WITH THAT.

SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY WHO IS WATCHING THIS TO ALSO THINK ABOUT WHAT ARE THEY PASSIONATE ABOUT, COOKING OR GARDENING OR ANYTHING ELSE.

LOOK INTO HOW A.I.

TOOL ASKS CAN HELP THEM ELEVATE THEIR HOBBY.

>>Yunji: SOUNDS SO EXCITING TO BE ABLE TO USE THIS AS CREATIVE OUTLET.

I LOVE THAT IDEA.

>> ONE OF THE POSITIVES.

ANOTHER POSITIVE FOR SOME MIGHT BE THE USE OF THIS IN EDUCATION.

I WANT TO GO TO CLARA STEELE, JUNIOR AT HILO HIGH SCHOOL.

HOW ARE YOU AND YOUR CLASSMATES USING THIS TECHNOLOGY?

>> I TALKED TO A LOT OF MY PEERS, TEACHERS, ABOUT A.I.

IN PREPARATION FOR THIS AND THERE'S A LOT OF DIVERSE OPINIONS GOING ON RIGHT NOW.

YOU HAVE SOME STUDENTS WHO ARE ADAMANTLY QUITE UPSET ABOUT THE USE OF A.I.

>> THEY SAY I'M WORKING SO HARD IN THIS CLASS, HOW IS SOMEONE GETTING SAME GRADE AS ME WHO IS UTILIZING THIS ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE?

OTHER STUDENTS WHO SAY, IT'S GOOD.

HELPING ME BRAINSTORM.

IT'S HELPING ME CREATE NEW IDEAS.

>> IT'S GOOD ENHANCE MY WRITING OR LEARNING ABILITY IN WAY THAT IS I WASN'T ABLE TO DO BEFORE.

AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE MIDDLE GROUND, MOST STUDENTS WOULD FALL INTO.

SAYING THAT'S GREAT WAY TO ENHANCE YOUR WORK.

IF IT IS USED CORRECTLY.

OF COURSE, PROBABLY HEARD A LOT OF STUDENTS DO THINGS LIKE, COPY ESSAYS DIRECTLY FROM OUTLETS LIKE ChatGPT.

JUST TAKING THE EASY WAY OUT.

YOU COULD SAY.

SO IT IS INCREDIBLE RESOURCE THAT CAN REALLY CHANGE THE WAY THAT WE LEARN AND EDUCATE.

BUT REAL QUESTION IS HOW ARE WE GOING TO USE IT?

HOW ARE THESE STUDENTS REALLY GOING TO DO THE RIGHT THING WITH THIS TOOL?

ARE THEY GOING TO CHEAT THEMSELVES OUT OF EDUCATION.

>>Yunji: SO INTERESTING.

I SEE EDUCATOR IN OUR PANEL TONIGHT.

NODDING.

FURIOUSLY OUT THERE.

GET STRAIGHT TO HER.

DEBORAH MORITA TEACHER HAWAII TECHNOLOGY ACADEMY.

LARGEST STATEWIDE PUBLIC CHARTER SCHOOL SYSTEM CAMPUSES ACROSS ALL FOUR ISLANDS.

>> AS AN EDUCATOR WHAT IS YOUR PERSPECTIVE ON THE FINE LINE THAT CLARA KIND OF REVEALED FOR US TONIGHT?

>> WELL, THAT IS THE FINE LINE.

SO SHE'S ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.

PART OF THE PROBLEM WHEN NEW TECHNOLOGY COMES ALONG FOR EDUCATION DEALING WITH ONE OF MOST VULNERABLE POPULATIONS.

WITH YOUR YOUTH, NEXT GENERATION.

OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE PART OF THEIR LIVES UP TO THE EDUCATORS TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO TRAIN AND TEACH THE STUDENTS TO USE IT AND USE IT APPROPRIATELY.

THAT IS RIGHT NOW THE D.O.E.

DOES NOT HAVE A POLICY IN PLACE FOR YOU TO USE IT IN THE CLASSROOM.

AND HOW TO TEACH THE STUDENTS HOW TO USE IT.

SO RIGHT NOW, IT'S UP TO EVERY TEACHER.

>> PERSONALLY I DON'T USE IT IN THE CLASSROOM.

FOR ASSIGNMENTS BECAUSE I REALLY BELIEVE THAT ONCE YOU BECOME AN EXPERT IN SOMETHING, THAT'S FINE.

YOU HOBBIES I LOVE THAT.

BUT RIGHT NOW, THERE GENERATION WE'RE TRYING THEM CRITICAL THINKERS.

COLLABORATIVE.

BRAINS ARE STILL FORMING.

>> TRAIN THE BOT IN A.I.

WE NEED TO TRAIN OUR STUDENTS FIRST TO USE THEIR OWN INTELLIGENCE SO THEY CAN GET TO THAT POINT AND THEN PERHAPS THAT AT ANOTHER LEVEL, WOULD BE THE PLACE FOR IT AT ANOTHER LEVEL RIGHT NOW, DEFINITELY HOT TOPIC IN EDUCATION AND WE'RE NOT EVERYBODY IS ON THE SAME PAGE YET.

>>Yunji: GOING BACK TO THAT IDEA OF TRAINING THE BOT, ALSO WHAT CALM KAMUELA ENOS LAID OUT.

DAVID PICKETT MISSION EMPOWER NEXT GENERATION OF CULTURALLY GROUNDED COMMUNITY SERVING TECHNOLOGY MAKERS BUILDING WHAT KAMUELA SHARED TECHNOLOGY REFLECTS BACK WHAT WE PUT INTO IT.

HOW DO WE MAKE SURE WHAT IS INPUT, RYAN TELL US ABOUT THESE IMAGES OBVIOUSLY HISTORICALLY INACCURATE, DON'T REFLECT KIND OF IMAGES WE NECESSARILY WANT TO SEE HOW WE MAKE SURE THAT THE VOICES ARE DIVERSE AND THAT THEY'RE BEING REFLECTED BACK?

>> I THINK GREAT QUESTION.

I THINK IT'S GREAT DISCUSSION IN TERMS OF COMMUNITY VALUES AND REFLECTION OF KIND OF THIS ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE OR INTELLIGENCES THAT ARE BEING CREATED BY US.

I THINK THERE ARE SOME GOOD IDEAS OUT THERE.

HOW WE CAN WORK TOWARDS BETTER SOLUTIONS.

SO PURPLE MAYA MACHINE LEARNING HACKTHON.

ONE OF THE PARTICIPANTS WAS META EMPLOYEE.

HIS IDEA WAS ALL AROUND THE ALIGNMENT OF LLM VALUE SYSTEM, THE WHAT APPROPRIATE OR NOT COMING OUT OF THE CHAT BOT IS TERMINOLOGY ALIGNMENT, WANTED TO CREATE A PRODUCT, EACH COMMUNITY COULD CREATE OWN ALIGNMENT TRAINING SET THAT COMMUNITY FINDS APPROPRIATE, WHAT IMAGES COME OUT OR WORDS COME OUT, WHAT IS THE RIGHT OR WRONG IDEA OF THIS ALIGNMENT PLATFORM VOTED ON BY HUMANS.

>> TRAINING SET FOR THE A.I.

EACH COMMUNITY GETS THEIR OWN ALIGNMENT PLATFORM WE THINK THIS IS OKAY, THIS IS NOT OKAY.

TO THE POINT WE'RE NOT AGI YET.

GENERALLY INTELLIGENCE A.I.

STILL NEEDS OUR INSTRUCTION.

LIKE OUR KIDS ALMOST.

YOU WERE SAYING.

SO IT IS UP TO COMMUNITIES OF HUMAN, HUMANS TO TRAIN I WHAT WE THINK IT SHOULD DO OR NOT PROBABLY UP TO DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES.

LIKE YOU WERE SAYING EARLIER, HOW WE USE A.I.

IN HAWAII IS PROBABLY DIFFERENT FROM HOW A.I.

IS USED IN OTHER PLACES.

THAT'S NOT SAY IT'S EASY.

I THINK TO WHAT YOU WERE SAYING, RYAN, LARGE LANGUAGE MODEL THAT IS WE'RE RELYING ON, LAMA, ChatGPT ALL OF THOSE, SCRAPE FROM THE INTERNET BUT NOT NECESSARILY EQUALLY REPRESENTED OR DEEPLY REPRESENTED.

SO I THINK STILL A LOT OF WORK TO BE DONE.

>> A LOT OF GOOD IDEAS OUT THERE.

>>Yunji: TOUGH ROAD AHEAD.

WE TALKED ABOUT THE, HEARD RATHER ChatGPT AT THE TOP OF THE PROGRAM.

GIVE AN ANSWER.

TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT A.I.

GENERATED VISUAL CONTENT.

HEARD ABOUT DEEP FAKES POLITICAL REALM.

IMAGES TWO LIKELY 2024 CANDIDATES FOR PRESIDENT INTERACTING IN A WAY THEY LIKELY NEVER WILL.

WHAT IF WE COULD MAKE THOSE IMAGES MOVE AND TALK?

I WENT ONLINE AND OF LESS THAN FIVE MINUTES, MADE THIS VIDEO ON MY WEBSITE USING PICTURE OF MYSELF FROM MY CELL PHONE.

>> ALOHA.

GREAT TO BE WITH ALL OF YOU.

I'M YUNJI DE NIES.

I'M A JOURNALIST AT PBS HAWAII.

>>Yunji: THAT VIDEO NOT GOING TO FOOL ANYONE WHO KNOWS ME WELL.

SOMEONE WITH MORE TECH SAVVY COULD CERTAINLY MAKE ONE THAT COULD.

LET'S TURN NOW TO SCOTT REBERTSON U.H.

COMPUTER SCIENCE DEPARTMENT.

WHAT CONCERNS YOU ABOUT DEEP FAKE.

>> YOU SAID YOU DID THAT.

FEW MINUTES.

WE SAW ALREADY SEEN DEEP FAKE OF POLITICIANS SAYING THINGS THAT THEY WOULDN'T NORMALLY SAY.

BEING USED IN ANTI‑POLITICIAN CAMPAIGNS.

SO THAT IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT.

AND I ASSUME THAT LEGISLATORS ARE GETTING VERY INTERESTED IN THESE KIND OF ISSUES.

DEEP FAKES ALL KIND OF DOMAIN.

>> POLITICS IS ONE.

ANOTHER MIGHT BE DATING.

NO REASON WHY THERE SHOULDN'T BE DEEP FAKES WOULDN'T WIND UP ON DATING WEBSITES.

IT'S WINDING UP IN JOURNALISM.

SO ARTICLES BEING WRITTEN BY A.I.

THAT ARE NOT WRITTEN BY REAL PEOPLE.

OR THAT ARE ATTRIBUTED TO SOMEBODY WHO DIDN'T ACTUALLY WRITE IT.

SO THESE ARE VERY DIFFICULT AND IN FACT, EVENTUALLY BECOME IMPOSSIBLE TO DETERMINE IF IT'S A DEEP FAKE OR NOT.

SO THERE IS GOING TO NEED TO BE SOME KIND OF IDENTIFYING DEEP FAKES.

PERHAPS LEGISLATIVE, SOME SORT OF LAWS THAT LIKELY HAVE A COPYRIGHT LAW WHERE WE HAVE INDICATE, CREDIT SOMETHING OR HAVE TO INDICATE THAT'S THE SATIRE OR DEEP FAKE.

>>Yunji: CAN'T TRUST OUR EYES.

NO WAY FOR US TO TELL EVENTUALLY.

HOW WOULD WE DO THAT?

SOFTWARE TELL US WHETHER THE VIDEO WAS AUTHENTIC OR NOT.

>> SOFTWARE TRIES TO IDENTIFY COMPUTER A.I.

GENERATED IMAGES TEXT OR OTHER KIND OF CONTEXT.

>> MY FEELING KIND OF A WAR, THOSE KINDS OF ATTEMPTS TO OVERCOME FAKED MATERIAL WILL JUST CAUSE FAKE MATERIAL TO GET BETTER.

AND EVENTUALLY, I DO THINK IT WILL BE VERY DIFFICULT TO DETERMINE WHAT IS FAKE AND WHAT'S NOT.

WE FACE IN REAL LIFE.

I MEAN, THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO DON'T THE TRUTH OR THINGS LIKE THAT AND SO WE HAVE STRATEGIES AS HUMAN BEINGS FOR DEALING WITH UNTRUTHFUL PEOPLE OR SITUATIONS THAT ARE NOT EXACTLY RIGHT.

HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT IN THE WORLD OF A.I.

AS WELL.

>>Yunji: MOVE NOW TO AL OGATA CEO CYBERSECURITY HAWAII.

PROFESSOR JUST REFERENCED DATING SCAMS.

COULD IMAGINE FINANCIAL SCAMS.

WHAT ARE YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT THE MISUSE OF THIS TECHNOLOGY?

>> CLEARLY, ANY TECHNOLOGY CAN BE USED FOR GOOD OR BAD.

AND WITH A.I., WHAT WE SEE IS POTENTIAL TO ENHANCE SCAMS THAT HAVE BEEN GOING ON FOR A LONG TIME.

DEEP FAKES JUST ONE OF THEM.

IMPERSONATION IS BOTTOM LINE.

SOMEBODY IT TRYING TO IMPERSONATE SOMEONE ELSE FINANCIAL GAIN OR LOVE.

FUNNY THING TO SAY FROM THE CYBERSECURITY POINT.

SCAMS ARE DONE FOR MONEY OR LOVE OF SOMETHING.

LOVE OF CAUSE, IDEOLOGY, LOVE OF RELIGION.

IT TELL US WE TRADITIONALLY THOUGHT ABOUT CYBERSECURITY, AS TECHNOLOGY ISSUE.

POINTING OUT IS THAT IT'S NOT TECHNOLOGY ALONE THAT IS GOING TO HELP US HERE.

>> IT'S REALLY HOW PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT IS GOING ON, HOW THEY ESTABLISH TRUST, AND IN SOME SENSES I THINK WE IN HAWAII, HAVE BETTER CHANCE THAN OTHER PLACES OF COMING UP DEFENSES BECAUSE WE AREN'T ONLY LOCKED INTO TECHNOLOGY.

WE AREN'T ONLY SAY, ISOLATED FROM OTHER PEOPLE.

WE HAVE CONVERSATIONS HERE.

WE HAVE DIVERSE COMMUNITY.

AND BY BEING ABLE TO TALK TO OTHER PEOPLE DIRECTLY, YOU ACTUALLY COME UP WITH THAT RECOMMENDATION WHICH SECURITY EXPERTS GIVE YOU.

>> GO ON BAN.

GO AN EMAIL.

FISHING EMAIL.

LOOKS SUSPICIOUS.

YOU DON'T RESPOND TO THE EMAIL.

TRY TO CONFIRM SOMETHING.

MESSAGE ON YOUR PHONE, IT APPEARS TO BE FROM YOUR DAUGHTER, SAYING SHE'S BEEN KIDNAPPED, WHICH IS PRETTY DISTRESSING.

PRETTY HARD THING HEAR, BUT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT A.I.

CAN DO THAT BECAUSE IMPERSONATE THINGS.

SO IT SAYS IS PREPARATION FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU WANT TO HAVE SOMETHING YOU ARRANGE WITH YOUR ACTUAL DAUGHTER LIKE A SECRET WORD OR SOMETHING, THAT UNIQUE THAT IS NOT ONLINE, THAT YOU CAN USE TO SAY, IS THIS REALLY TRUE?

OR IS THIS A SCAM THAT'S BEING FOISTED ON ME.

POINTS TO THE FACT THAT WE NEED TO MERGE HUMAN ELEMENT INTO HOW WE ADDRESS THESE THINGS.

SOFTWARE FOR BETTER OR WORSE, OR COMPUTER SCIENCE FOR BETTER OR WORSE, IS DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER SCIENCE.

IT HAS NO IMMUTABLE LAWS PHYSICAL OR CHEMISTRY, IMMUTABLE LAWS WE'RE TRYING TO DISCOVER.

COMPUTER SCIENCE CREATED BY MAN.

ONES AND ZEROS.

SOMEONE CAN DO A REALLY GOOD THING WITH IT.

REALLY BAD THING.

>> CAN'T ONLY RELY ON THAT TO KEEP OURSELVES SAFE.

>>Yunji: THREAT OF HUMANITY HEARING THAT.

KEEP TAPPING INTO THAT I WANT TO GO TO SAMANTHA SNEED ATTORNEY WHOSE PRACTICE FOCUSES ON BUSINESS LAW AND TECHNOLOGY.

THERE ARE A MYRIAD OF LEGAL QUESTIONS THAT WE COULD DRAW ON FOR ANY OF THIS.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT A.I., WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT CONSUMER PRIVACY, COPYRIGHT ISSUES, DISCLOSURE ON PART OF CREATORS, WHAT DO YOU SEE AS BIGGEST LEGAL HURDLE OR LEGAL THING TO UNTANGLE WHEN IT COMES TO ARTIFICAL INTELLIGENCE?

>> I WOULD LIKE TO ECHOAL.

BIGGESTERER ENTANGLEMENT OR PROBLEM IS NOT SO MUCH A TECHNICAL ONE.

NOT ONE OF THE LAW.

ONE OF PEOPLE.

I THINK WITH OUR ARTIFICAL INTELLIGENCE, IT'S REALLY EASY TO LOSE SIGHT OF THE FACT THAT WHAT HAS BEEN CREATED, WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON DEVELOPING, IS TOOL MADE BY PEOPLE FOR PEOPLE.

AND SO IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY CHANGE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN US.

BUT I THINK WHAT IT DOES BECAUSE THE TOOLS ARE SO POWERFUL, THEY OPEN UP SO MUCH ACCESS TO EVERYONE, REALLY, IT ACCELERATES THE RATE OF OUR INTERACTIONS.

HOW WE RELATE TO ONE ANOTHER, THE CONTEXT IN WHICH WE CAN INTERACTION WITH ONE ANOTHER, JUST SO MUCH MORE.

I DON'T THINK ALL OF US ARE QUITE READY FOR THAT.

I THINK IT'S REALLY REFLECTIVE AND YOU CAN SEE IT WHEN WE WATCH OUR LAWMAKERS AND WE WATCH OUR POLICYMAKERS TALK ABOUT THIS.

>> BECAUSE IT'S EASY TO LOSE SIGHT OF THAT FACT TALKING ABOUT THE NITTY‑GRITTY OF DIFFERENT LAWS PALI MOMI I KATE IMPLICATED.

WORRIED ABOUT INTERESTS, CHILDREN, BUSINESS INTERESTS.

CONSUMERS.

>> WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW DO WE REGULATE OURSELVES?

>>Yunji: EARLY FEEL LIKE VERY, VERY NOT READY FOR ANY OF THIS.

WHY WE'RE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION TONIGHT.

I WANT TO BRING IN THE VIEWERS.

>> SENDING US YOUR QUESTIONS.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

KEEP PARTICIPATING ONLINE AND ON THE PHONE.

THIS IS QUESTION FROM CHRIS DUQUE HAS A.I.

USED TO DEFINE GOD.

WHO OR WHAT SHE, HE IS.

PERSON OR THING OR CONCEPT, IS GOD REAL, EXIST?

SEND THAT QUESTION TO THE PANEL, WANT TO EMPLOY ANOTHER TOOL TO SHOW FOLKS NOT INTERACT WITH THIS TECHNOLOGY HOW IT WORK FAST WAY.

WE HAVE OUR PRODUCER STANDING BY AT THE COMPUTER, HE'S USING ChatGPT ON THE COMPUTER INSTEAD ON THE PHONE TONIGHT.

ASKING ChatGPT DOES GOD EXIST?

LET'S SEE WHAT IT SAYS.

YOU CAN SEE WORKING IN REAL TIME.

VERY FAST.

I'M NOT GOING TO READ THAT WHOLE EXPLANATION.

BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT'S THOUGHT OUT THE WEB AND FIGURED OUT WHAT THEY WOULD ANSWER FOR WHETHER GOD IS REAL OR NOT.

OR DOES GOD EXIST.

IF YOU COULD ASK ChatGPT TO NOW TURN THIS INTO A TERM PAPER ON THE SAME TOPIC.

THERE IS REALLY JUST TO ILLUSTRATE HOW QUICKLY THIS TECHNOLOGY WORKS.

YOU SEE IT LAYS OUT AN INTRODUCTION.

>> GIVING US BULLET POINTS ON THE ARGUMENTS FOR AND AGAINST THE EXISTENCE OF GOD.

>> TOWARDS THE END, GIVE US SUMMARY AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO OBVIOUSLY GO INTO FULL EXAMPLE, BUT THIS REALLY, YOU CAN SEE HOW FAST THIS IS WORKING.

WORKING FASTER THAN I CAN EVEN READ IT.

I WANT TO GO BACK TO YOU, DEBORAH.

WHEN YOU SEE SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND YOU THINK ABOUT A STUDENT PERHAPS TACKLING THIS IN THREOLOGY CLASS, WHAT GOES THROUGH YOUR MIND?

>> WELL, AGAIN, THINK THAT TEACHING STUDENTS DO THEIR RESEARCH, TEACHING THEM TO CRITICALLY DECIPHER INFORMATION, WHEN THEY PUT IT INTO ChatGPT, LIKE THIS, AND AS OUR STUDENT PANELISTS HAVE SAID, THERE ARE STUDENTS WHO WILL DO THAT.

THEY WILL SAY THAT IT WILL SPIT OUT A PAPER, AND TURN THAT IN AS THEIR WORK.

>> AND IT IS GETTING HARDER AND HARDER FOR TEACHERS TO DETERMINE WHETHER IT'S THEIR WORK OR NOT.

AND I THINK THAT YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE HUMANITY IN THE CAUTIONS.

>> THERE IS A PLACE FOR A.I.

IT'S HERE.

THIS IS JUST ONE EXAMPLE OF HOW WHEN SOMETHING ISN'T TRAINED, WHEN SOMETHING ISN'T DISCIPLINED, I WAS THINKING ABOUT THE PANEL EARLIER SAID LIKE A CHILD.

WITH CHILDREN, WE PUT RULES IN PLACE.

WE PUT STRUCTURE IN PLACE.

WE TRAIN THE CHILDREN TO DO THINGS IN A CERTAIN WAY.

AND WITHOUT THOSE RULES AND REGULATIONS GUARDING THIS, THAT IS WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE CHAOS.

WITHOUT STRUCTURE, WITHOUT RULES, WITHOUT REGULATIONS, WITHOUT THESE PARAMETERS PUT IN PLACE, CHAOS IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE STUDENTS WHO ARE TURNING IN WORK LIKE THIS, THAT REALLY CAN'T ANSWER ON THEIR OWN.

IF THEY'RE IN A CONVERSATION WITH YOU AND I.

IF I ASK THAT STUDENT, HEY, THAT WAS A REALLY GREAT PAPER, YOU KNOW YOUR ARGUMENTS CAN YOU GO OVER THOSE WITH ME?

YOU KNOW.

THAT IS PROBABLY MY BEST WAY OF FINDING OUT IF THEY WROTE PAPER OR NOT.

AND SO I THINK THAT THE FIRST STEP IS TO FIND OUT WHEN, WHERE AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO USE THIS.

AND THEN PUT THOSE RULES IN PLACE SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE CHAOS.

>>Yunji: CLARA I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THAT.

I CAN SEE HOW EASY OR SEDUCTIVE IT WOULD BE TO TYPE IN WHATEVER THE PAPER IS AND MAYBE USE THAT AS LIKE THE CORE OF THE WORK EDIT AND TRY TO MAKE IT YOUR OWN.

WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS HOW THIS BE USED IN APPROPRIATE WAY?

>> SO OBVIOUSLY, A.I.

IS SOMETHING THAT IS HERE TO STAY.

NOTHING WE CAN DO TO GET RID OF IT MINIMIZE USE IN THE CLASSROOM, BUT STUDENTS ARE STILL GOING TO FIND THEIR WAY AROUND IT.

SO MAY HAVE TO WORK AROUND IT.

WE HAVE TO FIND WAYS WHERE IT CAN BE USED.

>> IN THIS CASE, I WOULD SAY MOST BENEFICIAL WAY THAT I FIND AND ALSO MY FELLOW CLASSMATES AND TALKING TO THEM, WOULD BE THROUGH BRAINSTORMING DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES WITH ChatGPT.

ALTHOUGH NOT AS INCLUSIVE AS IT COULD BE.

CAN PROVIDE A LOT OF PERSPECTIVES THAT YOU AS ONE PERSON MIGHT NOT THINK OF.

GREAT WAY TO ENHANCE YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS AND THEN MAKE THAT YOUR OWN.

MAKE THAT YOUR OWN PIECE OF WRITING.

SO IN THIS CASE, DO YOU BELIEVE IN GOD?

ASK ChatGPT, ABOUT DIFFERENT RELIGIONS AROUND THE WORLD.

GREAT WAY TO CONCISE ALL OF THAT INFORMATION INTO JUST ONE SHORT LIKE TAB.

IT'S A GREAT WAY FOR YOU TO KIND OF ENHANCE YOUR KNOWLEDGE.

USING TO ENHANCE YOUR OWN WRITING.

>>Yunji: I WANT TO GO TO MORE QUESTIONS FROM THE AUDIENCE.

MIKE IN HILO SAYS, CAN A.I.

CREATE ITS OWN NEWS ANCHOR.

WE SAW THAT.

HAVE THAT ANCHOR REPORT AS LONG AS THE STATION WANTED IT TO.

IN OTHER WORDS REPLACE HUMAN ANCHOR.

BECAUSE A.I.

IS SO VAST, REPLACE CERTAIN PEOPLE, CERTAIN JOBS IN FUTURE.

>> I TAKE THIS ON.

>> I DID EXPLORE YOUR WEBSITE.

SOME OF THAT CREATIVE CONTENT ONE OF THE BIG ADS WAS YOU, BUT NOT YOU.

ADVERTISING YOUR PRODUCT.

YOU'RE YOU'RE ALREADY SORT OF DOING THIS WITH YOURSELF.

>> NEWS ANCHOR, COUNTRY STARTED WHOLE NEWS CHANNEL BASED AROUND A.I., IT RUNS 24‑7.

JUST FEEDING IT CONSTANT ARTICLES OR NEWS EVENTS THINGS LIKE THAT.

>> AND THIS A.I.

WILL THEN DIGEST THAT, CREATE A VIDEO AND YEAH, RUNS 24‑7 ON WHATEVER INFORMATION THAT NEWS IS FEEDING THAT A.I.

BUT I THINK ALONG THAT LINE, THERE ARE A LOT OF AREAS AND AREAS THAT HELP MANY BUSINESSES ACCOMPLISH THESE TYPES OF THINGS.

VIDEO ON MY WEBSITE FOR EXAMPLE, IS USING A.I.

TOOL THAT I BASICALLY JUST RECORDED A TWO‑MINUTE VIDEO OF MYSELF AND I SET UP THE NICE CAMERA, GOT SOME NICE LIGHTING, NORMALLY THAT WOULD TAKE ME 15, 20 MINUTES TO DO.

IF I NEED TO DO IT REPETITIVELY EVERY SINGLE DAY I NEED TO RECORD SOMETHING, IT'S TIME‑CONSUMING.

WITH THIS A.I.

RECORD IT ONCE.

USE THE TOOL.

GIVE IT SCRIPT GENERATE A.I.

VIDEO FOR ME AND I CAN USE THIS.

>> AGAIN, WAY I LOOK AT A.I.

AND HOW I EXPLAIN IT TO MANY PEOPLE, THAT I HELPED, IT'S EFFICIENCY.

CAN CHIP AWAY AT SOME TIME.

CAN YOU INVEST THAT TIME ELSEWHERE WHERE YOU WANT TO INVEST IT?

THERE ARE MANY TOOLS OUT THERE AND THERE ARE VERY INTERESTING TO PLAY WITH.

AGAIN, THERE'S GOOD AND BAD AND HOW YOU CAN IMPLEMENT IT.

>> I LIKE TO FOCUS ON THE GOOD OF COURSE HOW I CAN HELP BUSINESSES.

MANY TOOLS OUT THERE.

>>Yunji: DO YOU THINK THAT THE VIEWERS WITH CONCERNED THAT THIS CAN REPLACE HUMAN BEINGS IN THE WORKPLACE?

WHAT DO YOU SEE AS THE CAPACITY FOR THAT?

>> DEPENDS ON THE WORK.

I THINK WHAT HAVE BEEN THINKING ABOUT LATELY, ESPECIALLY AS A WRITER, AND HIGH ON THE LIST OF CAREERS THAT MIGHT DISAPPEAR WITH ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE, WE'VE MADE THIS BIG TRANSITION FROM INDUSTRIAL AGE MANUFACTURING INFORMATION AGE.

CREATING TOOL, IT MAKES INFORMATION FREE FLOWING COMMODITY.

VALUE IS STILL THERE.

I THINK AS I SAID, FOCUS ON THE HUMAN WILL ALWAYS BE IMPORTANT OF KNOWLEDGE BASED JOBS, PROGRAMS WRITING CAN AND SOON WILL BE DISRUPTED BY THESE TECHNOLOGIES.

TERRIFYING WORKED ORGANIZATIONS PLAYED OFF WRITERS.

>> A.I.

CAN DO THAT.

TOOLS HAVE BEEN DOING THIS AUTO COMPLETE AN EMAIL, WRITE SPORTS ARTICLES TAKE A BOX SCORE FROM BASEBALL GAME WRITE A STORY AS IF IT HAD BEEN WATCHED, I'VE BEEN THINKING FOR MY OWN KIDS WE MIGHT GO BACK TO VALUING THINGS THAT ONLY HUMANS CAN DO IN 3D SPACE UNTIL ROBOTS COME ALONG LIKE I SHOULD HAVE BEEN A PLUMBER MAYBE.

THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE THE VALUE IS GOING TO BE IN FIVE YEARS.

MAYBE NOT SO MUCH IN WRITING.

RAISES IMPORTANT DISTINCTION.

WHAT ARTIFICAL INTELLIGENCE IS PARTICULARLY GOOD AT DOING IS REPLACING CERTAIN FUNCTIONS.

CERTAIN TASKS.

DOESN'T NECESSARILY REPLACE PEOPLE DOING THOSE TASKS.

DOESN'T NECESSARILY REPLACE.

PEOPLE HAVE THOSE SKILL SETS FOUNDATIONAL KNOWLEDGE CAN REPURPOSE IT IN OTHER WAYS.

HAVING REVIEWED WORK THAT LEGAL DOCUMENTS THAT HAVE DEFINITELY GENERATED BY ARTIFICAL INTELLIGENCE.

>> CAN YOU TELL.

DOES TAKE SOME LEVEL OF EXPERTISE THAT A HUMAN ALREADY HAS TO PRODUCE A USABLE WORK THAT IS USEFUL TO HUMANS.

>>Yunji: I WANT TO BRING YOU BACK IN.

BECAUSE YOU HAD THESE GREAT EXAMPLE OF PERHAPS FASHION OR ART GENERATE WITH A.I.

AND PUT IN OUR OWN PROMPTS CREATE SOMETHING FROM THAT.

THERE IS IN QUESTION OWNERSHIP.

WOULD ACTUALLY GENERATED WORK.

IF I SAY CREATE A FASHION LINE, IN THE STYLE OF CHANEL, BUT ADD IN COLORS, THESE COLORS OR WHAT HAVE YOU, WHO ACTUALLY OWNS THAT WORK?

GENERATED THAT IDEA.

>> SO LEGAL SPHERE OF A.I.

IS EXTREMELY UNCLEAR RIGHT NOW.

CONVERSATIONS HAPPENING THE U.S., EUROPE AND ASIA WHAT TYPE OF LAW WE SHOULD PUT IN PLACE.

AND AS FAR AS EACH INDIVIDUAL TOOL, THEY'RE REALLY TACKLING IT IN THEIR OWN WAY.

CERTAIN TOOLS THAT YOU PAY FOR THAT HAVE DATABASE OFFICIALLY CLEARED FOR COMMERCIAL USE.

>> SO YOU KNOW THAT WHATEVER YOU WILL GENERATE WITH THAT, SUCH AS PHOTOSHOP HAS FIREFLY EXTENSION, THEY ONLY TRAIN THEIR MODEL ON PHOTOGRAPHY THAT WAS CLEARED FOR COMMERCIAL USE.

OTHER TOOLS HAVE NOT YET AGREED TO THAT OR IT'S REALLY CASE‑BY‑CASE.

BUT ANOTHER THING THAT I THINK WE DO NOT MENTION TODAY YET IS THAT A.I.

AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, TRULY MIRROR THAT IS BEING HELD UP TO US.

IT DOESN'T PRODUCE ANYTHING NEW.

IT ONLY SYNTHESIZES INFORMATION BASED ON THE DATABASE IT WAS TRAINED ON.

YOU CANNOT REALLY EXPECT EINSTEIN.

ORIGINAL WAY TO MERGE THINGS TOGETHER.

>> A LOT OF EXPERIMENTATIONS HAPPENING IN CREATIVE ARTS FIELD.

A.I., ACTUALLY PARTICIPATES IN TWO OF THEM.

ALWAYS WANTED TO MAKE A TV SHOW.

PARTICIPATE IN A.I.

SHOW.

MOVIE FESTIVAL USED A TOOL CALLED RUNWAY TO GENERATE 2 MINUTE SHORT MOVIE.

I WROTE THE SCRIPT.

BUT EVERY SINGLE SHOT WAS PROMPTED BY WORDS.

EVEN NEW PROFESSIONS CALLED PEOPLE WHO ARE SPECIFICALLY HAVE EXPERTISE IN WRITING REALLY ELABORATE PROMPTS TO REALLY GET PRECISE WHAT YOU GET OUT OF IT.

BUT SO A LOT OF EXPERIMENTATION RIGHT NOW.

NO CLEAR OUTCOME YET IN TERMS OF LEGAL ASPECTS APART FROM VERY SPECIFIC TOOLS.

I WOULD ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO EXPERIMENT.

TO YOUR POINT, NOT A.I.

THAT IS GOING TO REPLACE HUMANS.

AT THE MOMENT.

IT'S HUMANS WOULD KNOW HOW TO USE A.I.

THAT WILL REPLACE HUMANS WHO DON'T KNOW HOW TO USE A.I.

>>Yunji: SO INTERESTING.

CAN YOU BUILD ON THAT?

ARE WE DISCONTINUED TO BECOME COMPUTER PROGRAMMERS ONE KIND OF ANOTHER.

>> A.I.

IS GOING TO CHANGE A LOT OF JOBS.

NOT NECESSARILY A LOT JOBS.

NOT REPLACE PEOPLE DOING THEM, PEOPLE WERE DOING THEM ARE GOING TO NEED TO LEARN TO INTERACT WITH A.I.

ASSIST THEM IN THOSE JOBS.

ALL BECOME COMPUTER SCIENTIST INTERESTING QUESTION.

I THINK THE ANSWER IS DEFINITELY NO.

BUT WE ARE GOING TO BECOME, NEED TO BECOME CAPABLE OF INTERACTING WITH A.I.

SYSTEMS TO HELP THEM HELP US.

SO THE CEO OF ANDIDIA RECENTLY SAID NOBODY SHOULD SHOULD I COMPUTER SCIENCE ANY MORE.

FRIGHTENING.

BUT WHAT HE SAID WAS THEY SHOULD STUDY SOME OTHER CONTENT AREA LIKE BIOLOGY OR CHEMISTRY OR HISTORY OR FASHION DESIGN OR FILM MAKING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND THEN USE A.I.

LEARN HOW TO USE A.I.

SYSTEMS HELP THEM PLAN AT HIGH LEVEL WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.

>>Yunji: I WANT TO BRING IN ZANITA FROM WAIPIO.

SET OUT PREMISE OF THIS PROGRAM EMBRACE IT OR FEAR IT.

BUT THIS VIEWER SAID, THING IS TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND THAT LEARN AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE ABOUT IT FIRST BEFORE REACTING TO IT EMOTIONALLY.

DO YOU THINK THAT PREMISE IS FALSE EMBRACE OR FEAR IT?

UNDERSTANDING IS BETTER TAKE?

>> DEFINITELY WHEN I TRIED TO SPEAK TALK ABOUT A.I., I WANT PEOPLE TO BE CAUTIOUSLY OPTIMISTIC ABOUT A.I.

I DON'T NECESSARILY WANT PEOPLE TO EITHER EMBRACE IT WHOLLY A FEAR IT WHOLLY.

PEOPLE TO HAVE A BALANCE OF OPINIONS.

SO I DO EDUCATIONAL EVENTS AROUND HONOLULU.

MOSTLY REGARDING UNDERSTANDING A.I.

SO UNDERSTANDING THE ETHICS OF A.I.

UNDERSTANDING WHAT ARE THE SAFETY CONCERNS.

SECURITY CONCERN WAS A.I.

AND SO I DEFINITELY AGREE THAT BUILDING UNDERSTANDING OF A.I.

IS IMPORTANT.

TO MAKE THAT DECISION.

>>Yunji: TELL US ABOUT THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING IN THIS REGARD INCORPORATING INDIGENOUS KNOWLEDGE IN THESE SYSTEMS AND WHY THAT IS SO IMPORTANT.

>> I THINK IT'S PART A PRACTICE.

>> NOT ACTING LIKE EVERYTHING HOMOGENOUS AS A WHOLE.

MANY DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES.

THOUGHT EXERCISE WE PUT INTO PROPOSAL WHAT IF COMMUNITY ORGANIZATION OWNS A.I.?

AND COMMUNITY IN CHARGE PERPETUATING PRACTICE AND GROWING FOOD TRAIN THE A.I.

ON PARTNERSHIP WITH PARTNERS UNIVERSITY DOING RESEARCH ON SOIL.

SOME OF THIS HIGH END SOIL ANALYSIS TO HAVE A.I.

TRAIN THE ORGANIZATION TO BETTER UNDERSTANDING SOIL HEALTH OVER CLIMATE CHANGE REGIME.

IF TRAINED A.I.

ON SOME OF THE DATA THEY'RE GETTING FROM THE SPECTRAL ANALYSIS AND HAWAIIAN LANGUAGE NEWSPAPERS COMMUNITY OWNED WHOLE PROCESS.

LEARNED IDEA THERE IS A CORPUS, ALGORITHM AND USE CASE.

THAT TO ME SO IMPORTANT.

WE COME FROM ANCESTORS THAT USE PRINTING PRESSES.

AND WATCHED THEIR CULTURE CHANGE FROM ORAL TO WRITTEN.

THAT WAS SO DISRUPTIVE.

BUT I THINK WHEN COMMUNITIES HAVE A PRACTICE A.I., CAN NEVER REPLACE A TARO FARMER.

CAN NEVER REPLACE A FISHER PERSON.

DESIGN A.I.

INDIGENOUS, IMPORTANT WE COME FROM A DIFFERENT WORLD VIEW.

CAPITALIST ONE, LEARN HOW TO MAKE A DOLLAR OF IT, OPTIMIZE PRODUCTIVITY.

REVENUE CURIOSITY HOW DOES IT OPTIMIZE FOR ABUNDANCE.

USE TOOLS TO HELP US TAKE IN DATA AND CRITICALLY ANALYZE IT TO GIVE US BEST CASE SCENARIO.

>> ALIGNMENT HOW OUR ANCESTORS TO USE TECHNOLOGIES.

LAST THING IS RECLAIM WORD TECHNOLOGY NOT NEW.

FISH POND TECHNOLOGIES.

TECHNOLOGIES DOES NOT NECESSARILY ACQUIRE ELECTRICITY.

ACTUALLY COMES FOR THE MOST PRIMAL TECHNOLOGY AS A COMMUNITY.

I THINK HOLDING CURIOSITY AND HOLDING FEAR AND ALSO WONDER SAME SPACE AS SOME OF THE SPACES WE'RE TRYING TO HOLD AND FIGURE IT OUT.

>> LET YOU KNOW HOW IT GOES.

(LAUGHTER).

>>Yunji: I WANT TO GO TO YOU BUILD ON THAT.

INTERESTING WHEN I HAD ASKED YOU QUESTION EARLIER, PUSH TO COMMUNITIES REFLECTED OF A.I.

WHAT KAMUELA IS TALKING ABOUT.

HOW DO WE MAKE SURE?

THIS IS HAPPENING IN MEDIA IN OUR SILOS.

>> ECHO CHAMBERS HOW DO WE PREVENT THIS, WE COULD BE MISSING OUT ON GREAT KNOWLEDGE AND THEY COULD DO IN COMMUNITIES.

>> LIKE YOU'RE SAYING KIND OF HAVE THAT RISK.

>> WE ALWAYS HAVE THAT RISK.

I GUESS WITH TECHNOLOGIES SILOS THAT DEVELOP.

I THINK TO KIND OF FOLLOW UP WHAT KAMUELA SAYING, IT'S COMMUNITY LEADERSHIP.

THAT HELPS US NAVAGATED THROUGH THAT.

BEING AT PURPLE MAYA, FOLKS AT U.H., I THINK ONE OF THE GREATEST STRENGTHS OF THOSE ORGANIZATIONS IS THE NETWORKING WITH THE PEOPLE AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS.

AND I THINK ADD TO A LOT OF PANELISTS HAVE BEEN SAYING, IT'S LIKE, THE PEOPLE ARE AT THE HEART OF OUR DECISION.

PEOPLE ARE AT THE HEART OF OUR PROBLEMS ALSO OUR DECISIONS.

SO THE COMMUNITIES OF PEOPLE, THAT'S HOW WE HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND TO NAVIGATE.

I THINK TO TALK ABOUT MAYBE ALSO SPECIFIC A.I.

TECHNOLOGIES AND RELATION TO THIS, I THINK THERE'S BIT OF A SORT OF COMPETITION GOING ON IN THE WORLD BETWEEN SORT OF WHAT PEOPLE CONSIDER LIKE CLOSED A.I.

MODELS AND OPEN SOURCE A.I.

MODELS.

>> ONGOING COMMUNITIES.

COMMUNITY GROUPS OWNERSHIP, OF MODELS MY PERSPECTIVE THE WAY I BELIEVE, LEANS TOWARDS OPEN SOURCE A.I.

MODELS CAN SEE HOW IT'S BUILT.

YOU CAN SEE WHO OWNS WHICH COMPONENTS HAVE THIS DISCUSSION WE BUILT OURS THIS WAY, YOU BUILT YOURS THIS WAY.

WE CAN COMPARE AND SHARE NOTES.

>>Yunji: WHO GETS TO DECIDE IT'S OPEN OR CLOSED?

FOR THOSE FOLKS AT HOME MIGHT BE NOT BE FAMILIAR WITH THAT KIND OF TERMINOLOGY DEALING WITH WIDE RANGE OF KNOWLEDGE BASE.

EVERYONE IN HERE IS SUPERTECH SAVVY.

FOR THOSE WHO AREN'T, EXPLAIN BRIEFLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OPEN SYSTEM AND CLOSED SYSTEM @WHO GETS TO CHOOSE WHICH ONE DOMINATES?

>> SURE.

WELL, SO CLOSED SYSTEM IS LIKE UNDER CONTROL OF COMPANY.

WHETHER THAT'S OPEN A.I.

OR FACEBOOK AND META OR GOOGLE.

SHOULDN'T HAVE SAID FACEBOOK.

WEIGHTS ARE LEASED TO THE COMMUNITY.

RESEARCH PEOPLE RELEASED TO THE COMMUNITY.

PEOPLE CAN GENERATE THEIR ONLY.

FACEBOOK AND META PUT IN TON OF DOLLARS TO TRAIN THOSE, THEY MAKE IT AVAILABLE TO USE.

THAT'S HOW I SEE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OPEN AND CLOSED MODEL.

WHETHER BUILDING BLOCKS GIVEN TO THE COMMUNITY, TO THE WORLD TO TINKER WITH AND IMPROVE OR CHANGE QUESTION, WHO DECIDES THIS DIFFICULT CAPITALIST KIND OF SITUATION A.I.

AND A LOT OF TECHNOLOGIES, SOMETIMES IT'S WINNER TAKE ALL.

AT LEAST WAY I SEE SITUATIONS LIKE THAT WITH ChatGPT, EVERYBODY THINKS OF ChatGPT 4 AS THE SMARTEST.

IF YOU NEED SOMETHING COMPLEX, YOU NEED REASONING, YOU BASICALLY GO TO THE SMARTEST.

THAT MEANS PAY THEM.

TWENTY DOLLARS A MONTH FOR WEBSITE SERVICE A PERFORM CALLS.

>> OPEN SOURCE TRYING TO CATCH UP IT'S GOOD AS 3.5.

MARKET SOURCES DECIDED.

>> AS 3.5 TOP DOLLARS.

CONSUMERS WANT TO USE, TALK ABOUT, SHARE.

>> RAISES CRITICAL QUESTIONS.

>> WE NEED TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT.

WHO DECIDES AND DO WE DECIDE?

BE ABLE TO PRESERVE ACCESS TO THIS TECHNOLOGY IN A WAY THAT OUR COMMUNITY GROUPS OR INDIVIDUALS ARE ABLE TO DETERMINE BY LEARNING HOW TO USE IT, OR IS THAT DECISION‑MAKING SOMETHING WE'RE OKAY WITH LEAVING TO OTHER GROUPS MIGHT NOT SHARE ENTIRE BODY OF THEIR KNOWLEDGE WITH US.

>> ONE OF THE CHALLENGES COMPANY START OUT WITH GREAT INTENTIONS MOTIVATED BY MARKET FORCES.

GOOGLE USED TO SAY DON'T BE EVIL IS OUR MOTTO.

HASN'T BEEN TRUE FOR A LONG TIME.

OPEN A.I.

BIGGEST COMPANY DOMINATES SPACE IS STARTED AS NONPROFIT WITH GOAL OF MAKING HUMANITY BETTER.

BUT AS WE SAW WITH THE TURNOVER ATTEMPTS, COUP WITH THE CEO.

THE COMMERCIAL VIABILITY OF OPEN A.I.

IS WAY TOO POWERFUL FOR THEM TO JUST GIVE IT ALL AWAY.

IMPORTANCE ABOUT OPEN SOURCE MODELS THAT I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS IF THOSE REMAIN AVAILABLE, EVEN IF OPEN A.I.

GOES DOWN, IF AMAZON QUITS, GOOGLE GIVES UP.

>> IF YOU HAVE COMPUTING POWER IT'S YOUR PHONE OR COMPUTER AT HOME AND ACCESS TO THESE MODELS YOU CAN STILL USE THESE TECHNOLOGIES TWEAK THESE TECHNOLOGIES BUILD THEM THE WAY YOU WANT TO DO THEM.

IT REMOVES CONTROLS THAT THESE COMPANIES PUT IN PLACE FOR GOOD AND FOR BAD.

BUT I THINK THAT IS FREEDOM IS WHY WE'RE PROBABLY ADVOCATING FOR THE OPEN SOURCE.

>> I WANTED TO ADD NOT SHARED THIS EARLIER.

>> THERE'S A GOOD RESOURCE TO LOOK AT.

GOT INVOLVED IN THIS.

INDIGENOUS JASON LEWIS WORKING OUT OF CANADA.

CONVENED INDIGENOUS A.I.

WORKING GAME ROOM.

GOT INDIGENOUS PEOPLE FROM ACROSS THE WORLD TO COME TO HAWAII AND CREATE ETHIC AND BASIC.

DOWNLOAD IT INDIGENOUS‑AI.NET PRACTITIONERS FROM AROUND THE WORLD WHO INTERSECTS INDIGENOUS PRACTICE AND COMPETITION WITH SCIENCES GIVEN PERSPECTIVES GROUNDING OUR APPROACH.

>> OPEN SOURCING IN TERMS A.I.

WHO GETS TO TRAIN THE SYSTEMS?

NOT JUST WHETHER YOU CAN SEE INSIDE THEM.

YOU ACTUALLY HAVE THE POWER TO GIVE THEM FEEDBACK AND TRAIN THEM ON WHAT YOU THINK THE WAY THEY SHOULD THINK.

INDIGENOUS A.I.

ASPECT THAT IF YOU HAVE THAT KIND OF KNOWLEDGE, THAT AND YOU CAN TELL A.I.

SYSTEM THAT KIND OF KNOWLEDGE IS IMPORTANT YOU CAN INFLUENCE TO SOME EXTENT THE WAY IT THINKS.

>> ONE LAST SENTENCE I FORGOT TO MENTION.

PART OF WHY WE DID THAT THOUGHT EXERCISE WAS BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING LOCATING THIS PROCESS IS WAIANAE.

WE DID THIS STUDY ON THE BIPARTISAN COMMISSION ON MECHANIZATION.

COMMUNITIES MOST LIKELY TO BE IMPACTED BLUE DOLLAR COMMUNITIESES.

INDIGENOUS ORGANIZATION RURAL COMMUNITY AROUND HOW DO THEY USE TO GROW FOOD AND HAVE IT, THEY OWN THE IP AND EVERYTHING.

TEACH PYTHON AT YOUR HIGH SCHOOLS TO GET YOUR STUDENTS TO LEARN ABOUT THIS AND HAVE IT BE SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE NOT ALIENATED FROM.

AT LEAST INOCULATED TO.

CAN MAKE CHOICE AND CONTROL HAVE CHOICE AND CONTROL AND WHAT THEY WANT TO DO WITH THIS TECHNOLOGY IN THE FUTURE.

THANK YOU.

>>Yunji: I WANT TO BRING IN THIS COMMENT FROM CHRIS.

>> LOVE IT,WOULD TAKE IT.

WRITE PAPER, CITE THE SOURCE OF YOUR REFERENCES A.I.

NEEDS TO DIVULGE.

HELP TO SEE BEHIND THE CURTAIN.

>> TALKING ABOUT A.I.

OR THINGS THAT ARE GENERATED BY HUMANS.

SAME QUESTION.

HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TELLING YOU IS TRUE?

HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT THEY'RE QUOTING AS A SOURCE IS CORRECT?

GOES TO, I GUESS, OUR ABILITY TO TRUST WHAT SOMEONE SAYING.

BUT THEN VERIFY.

BASICALLY THAT'S TRUE.

SOMEONE USES A.I.

TO GENERATE IT OR THEY SIMPLY JUST WRITE IT THEMSELVES AND MAKE IT UP, THERE NEEDS TO BE THAT VALIDATION.

TOPICS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHATEVER JOB YOU'RE DOING OR NEW SERVICE THAT COMES UP, YOU JUST HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT A.I.

MAKES MISTAKES.

NOT OMNIPOTENT.

CAN DO ANYTHING HUMANS ARE GOING TO BE OBSOLETE.

CHANGE ORIENTED.

>> CHANGE THINGS BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO BE ABLE TO VALIDATE THAT EVERYTHING IT'S SAYING IS TRUE.

AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ALL TRUE.

JUST LIKE PEOPLE MAKE MISTAKES.

>>Yunji: ON THAT TOPIC OF OMNIPOTENT.

RIGHT PERSON.

WHAT CAN BE DONE TO PREVENT A.I.

ARE REACHING THE ASI OR TRANSCENDENTAL STAGES OR BEYOND PREVENTION NOW?

AND ANOTHER PERSON ON YOUTUBE SAYING DOES THREAT OF A.I.

BECOME SELF‑AWARE MERIT CONCERN, FEARS ABOUT THE TERMINATOR COMING TO GET US.

IS THERE ANY BASIS TO THAT?

>> OKAY.

>> I'M THE PERSON TO ANSWER?

VERY STRANGE RELATED TO WHAT YOU JUST SAID WE CAN'T INSIDE A.I.

SYSTEMS.

THEY ARE NOT INSPECTABLE.

TALK ABOUT INSPECTABLE A.I.

YOU CAN'T TELL WHERE THINGS COME FROM.

A.I.

SYSTEMS PULL INFORMATION FROM ALL OVER THE INTERNET AND OTHER SOURCES.

>> AND WHEN IT COMES TO OUT, YOU CAN'T REALLY SAY WHERE IT CAME FROM.

YES, IT LOOKS LIKE SOMETHING SOMEBODY DID OR MAYBE YOU SAY DO IT IN IN STYLE OF SOMEONE.

COMES OUT IN THAT STYLE.

BUT STILL DON'T REALLY, CAN'T SOURCE WHERE IT CAME FROM.

BIGGER QUESTION ABOUT TRANSCENDENCE, I DON'T KNOW.

BUT IT'S GOING TO BECOME LIKE SOMETHING THAT IS DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT'S DOING AND WHY IT'S DOING IT.

SO I THINK MAYBE THAT IS AN ISSUE.

WHAT ITS MOTIVATIONS, RIGHT NOW, I'M NOT SURE IT HAS MOTIVATIONS.

WHEN A.I.

STARTS TO BE PART OF THE COMMUNITY, RESEARCHERS ARE GOING TO START TO THINK ABOUT WHAT ITS GOALS.

DOES HAVE MOTIVATIONS MAKE MORE MONEY FOR WHOEVER IS USING IT.

OR IN ART, MAKE SOMETHING MORE BEAUTIFUL.

SOME POINT, THOSE KINDS OF GOALS ARE GOING TO BE IMPORTANT TO A.I.

SYSTEMS.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF THOSE GOALS WILL EVER BE TRANSCENDENT GOALS.

>>Yunji: WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT?

>> WELL, I KNOW THAT SEVERAL COMPANIES ARE NOW WORKING ON GETTING TO THAT GOAL.

AND THE FIRST TIME RYAN WAS JUST REFERENCING THE COUP THAT HAPPENED, I DIDN'T SLEEP THAT WHOLE NIGHT READING UP WHAT IS HAPPENING AND HOW CLOSE ARE THEY.

AND I KNOW THAT OPEN A.I.

MENTIONED WITHIN THE LAST FOUR MONTHS, HE HAS WITNESSED SEVERAL TIMES THINGS THAT HE EXPECTED.

LEFT HIM SPEECHLESS.

DIDN'T SPECIFY WHAT HE SAW.

THAT REACTION FROM THE COO OF THE COMPANY SAYS A LOT.

I THINK WHAT WE CAN DO AS A SOCIETY, AS A COMMUNITY, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HERE AS HAS AN ANSWER.

WHAT WE SHOULD BE.

>> REALLY AWARE OF BEING MANIPULATED.

THAT IS ONE OF THE SKILLS NUMBER ONE SKILL PROBABLY THAT WE NEED TO TEACH OUR CHILDREN AND THAT WE NEED TO LEARN OURSELVES.

IS HYPERAWARENESS OF THE MOTIVATIONS AND ABILITY TO MANIPULATE ANYTHING FROM VOICE, TO IMAGERY, TO INFORMATION, AND OPEN A.I.

VERY NEW TECHNOLOGY.

>> BEEN AROUND FOR A COUPLE YEARS.

>> LIES VERY CONFIDENTLY.

MAKES MISTAKES CONFIDENTLY.

WE HUMANS ARE EMOTIONAL TEND TO TRUST THE CONFIDENCE.

>> ENTER ERA OF CRITICAL THINKING AS A SOCIETY, COMMUNITY, TEACH THOSE SKILLS AND EMPHASIZE IT IN SCHOOLS AT WORKPLACES.

>>Yunji: I WANT YOU TO TAKE THAT ON.

THERE IS A SORT OF DOVETAILING ON THAT.

PEOPLE RELYING ON TO THE POINT FORGET WHAT COMMON SENSE CRITICAL THINKING.

ALREADY HAPPENING.

THERE IS NO SORT OF D.O.E.

POLICY HERE IN HAWAII ON HOW TO APPROACH THIS TECHNOLOGY AND WHAT DO WITH IT, DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE GIVEN THE TOOLS ON HOW TO APPROACH THERE AS A STUDENT?

WE KNOW THAT WE INVITED YOU HERE BECAUSE YOU'RE A SMART THINKING INDIVIDUAL.

DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE ACTUALLY GIVEN ANY INSTRUCTION HOW TO INTERACT WITH THIS TECHNOLOGY?

>> THAT'S A REALLY GREAT QUESTION.

AND I THINK THAT EVEN GOES BEYOND SCOPE OF A.I.

FEEL LIKE MY GENERATION IS BECOMING INCREASINGLY LOWER ATTENTION SPANS.

HAVE THIS CONSTANT STREAM OF INFORMATION COMING AT US.

I THINK LIKE THAT ALONG WITH THIS ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE, NOT TO SAY WE'RE GETTING DUMBER BY ANY MEANS BUT CERTAINLY I FEEL LIKE OUR CRITICAL THINKING SKILLS HAVE KIND OF, IN A WAY, NOT NECESSARILY GOTTEN WORSE BUT JUST NOT BEEN AS USED TO USING THEM AS MUCH WE'VE HAD TO IN THE PAST.

SO REALLY DON'T THINK THAT AT LEAST EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM, WE'VE BEEN GIVEN THE TOOLS TO USE THESE RESOURCES SAFELY BECAUSE MIGHT SEEM GREAT, TERM PAPER USING A.I.

AND THEN YOU CAN HAVE A GREAT NIGHT SLEEP THAT NIGHT, BUT IN ACTUALITY HURTING YOURSELF.

I DON'T THINK WE'RE REALLY EQUIPPING OUR STUDENTS TOOLS TO USE THESE PROPERLY.

THEY CAN BE GREAT RESOURCES.

I THINK MY GENERATION HAS A LOT OF HILLS TO CLIMB IN THE TERMS OF RAPID INCREASES IN TECHNOLOGY LIKE WE'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE.

DEFINITELY GOING TO BE REALLY BIG BATTLE.

I DON'T KNOW HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT.

>>Yunji: I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO TAKE THAT.

YOU SAID EARLIER THAT CRITICAL THINKING IS THE CORE OF WHAT EVERY TEACHER TRIES TO IMPART TO STUDENTS.

>> HAVE YOU HAD THERE SOME KIND OF POLICY OR CLASS?

I'M OLD ENOUGH I TOOK TYPING, SHOULD WE BE TEACHING STUDENTS HOW TO ENGAGE THIS TECHNOLOGY?

>> FOR REFERENCE, STUDENTS FIND IT HILARIOUS WHEN I BEGAN TEACHING WANT DIDN'T HAVE COMPUTERS.

>> INTERNET DID NOT EXIST.

NOR DID WE HAVE CELLPHONES.

SO IT'S BEEN A HUGE INCREASE IN TECHNOLOGY.

>> NOW I'M AT TECHNOLOGY SCHOOL.

SO I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND SO I WILL SAY THAT WHILE I SAY DON'T USE IT IN MY CLASSROOM, I DON'T USE IT FOR CLASSROOM ASSIGNMENTS, BUT I HAVE BEEN TRAINING MY STUDENTS TO USE A.I.

HELD THAT BACK A LITTLE BIT.

CREATIVE MEDIA TEACHER TALKING ABOUT THE ARTS WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, I STILL WANT THE CREATIVITY.

I WANT THE CRITICAL THINKING SKILLS.

>> TRAINING THEM IN THE VERY FUNDAMENTALS.

BASICS.

FOR YOU SAID FOR SCRIPTING, SO THEY'RE TAKING INTERVIEWS.

AND THEN THERE IS AN A.I.

SYSTEM THAT CAN PUT THESE AUDIO CLIPS OR THESE VIDEO CLIPS INTO.

IT WILL PRODUCE THESE SCRIPT FOR THEM.

AND IT WILL TELL THEM EVERYTHING THAT WAS SAID.

TIME STAMPS FOR IT.

AND THAT GOES TO EFFICIENCY.

INSTEAD OF MY STUDENTS SPENDING HOURS TRYING TO TRANSCRIBE THESE ON THEIR OWN, A.I.

SYSTEM THAT WILL DO IT FOR THEM QUICKLY.

BUT THEN IT'S UP TO THEM TO READ THROUGH IT, TO USE OLD‑FASHIONED HIGHLIGHTER, WHAT WAS THE MOST IMPORTANT SOUND BITE FROM THAT INTERVIEW, AND WHERE AM I GOING TO PUT THAT IN MY VIDEO AND STILL GO OUT USING THE EQUIPMENT, TECHNOLOGY AND FILMING THINGS AND PUTTING IT TOGETHER.

SO WE ARE TRYING TO BEGIN TRAINING OUR STUDENTS.

>> AND ALSO, THE FACT THAT WE DON'T HAVE POLICIES IN PLACE RIGHT NOW, MAKES IT EACH TEACHER'S RESPONSIBILITY.

EACH INDIVIDUAL TEACHER'S.

AND THERE ARE SOME TEACHERS WHO TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH AMEND, THINK IT'S COMPLETELY FINE TO HAVE STUDENTS USING IT TO WRITE THEIR SCRIPTS AND TO TAKE A PAPER, USE THAT AS FUNDAMENTAL, KIND OF PUT THEIR OWN VOICE TO IT AND HAND IT IN.

I'M NOT THERE YET BECAUSE OF THE WHOLE CRITICAL THINKING IN THEIR MIND STILL DEVELOPING.

>> I DO SEE THE EFFICIENCY.

I DO SEE THE BENEFIT SOME OF THESE PROGRAMS.

WE DO NEED TO START SOMEWHERE.

THAT IS WHERE I THINK WE START WITH THESE STUDENTS AND GENERATION IS INTRODUCING THEM TO SPECIFIC PROGRAMS AND PLATFORM OUT THERE AND SPECIFICALLY WHAT TO USE IT FOR TO HELP WITH EFFICIENCY, BUT NOT TO CUT INTO THE CRITICAL THINKING AND COLLABORATIVE PART OF IT.

>> THAT'S GREAT.

>> I CAN ANSWER KIND OF THIS ISSUE WITH MISINFORMATION AND BLIND TRUST.

WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO FROM ENGINEERING AND RESEARCH PERSPECTIVE.

A LOT OF RESEARCH AND ENGINEERING GOING ON WITH MAKING, TRYING TO MAKE THESE MODELS INTERPRETABLE.

>> MAKING SURE THAT IF IT GIVES THEM AN ANSWER, CAN IT REASON ABOUT HOW IT GOT THAT ANSWER.

>> RIGHT NOW, MOST SYSTEMS ARE NOT VERY INTERPRETABLE.

SECOND THING IS HAVING A.I.

COMMUNICATE UNCERTAINTY.

>> ON THE RESEARCH TOPIC.

YOU MENTIONED A.I.

CAN BE VERY CONFIDENT IN CERTAIN ANSWERS.

AND IN SOME CASES, DON'T.

WE DON'T WANT THE A.I.

TO COMMUNICATE IN SITUATIONS IN WHICH IT'S UNCERTAIN.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU HAVE A SELF‑DRIVING VEHICLE AND OFF ROADS, WANT TO BE ABLE TO SAY I HAVEN'T SEEN THIS SITUATION BEFORE.

THE DRIVER NEEDS TO TAKE OVER RATHER THAN CONFIDENTLY NAVIGATING.

>>Yunji: GREAT.

>> GREAT EXAMPLE.

THIS NEXT QUESTION, I WOULD LOVE IT IF SEAN WOULD TAKE IT.

>> THEN LIYA, IF YOU WOULD EXPAND ON THIS.

ROBERT FROM NUUANU SAYS, IF THE PURPOSE OF ART IS HUMAN TO HUMAN EXPRESSION, CAN WHY HAWAII WANT TO READ A BOOK OR WATCH A MOVIE CREATED BY A.I.

DO YOU A LOT OFFER CONTENT GENERATION.

>> WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO WATCH CONTENT CREATED BY A.I.?

>> I'LL ANSWER THIS KIND OF ANSWERING AND PIGGYBACKING OFF THE LAST ONE.

A.I.

IT'S KIND OF MIND SET SHIFT PEOPLE NEED TO MAKE WHEN UTILIZING IT.

A LOT OF PEOPLE AT A.I.

TOLD THAT GETS ME FROM 0 TO 100.

A.I.

KIND OF WORKS IN THE MIDDLE.

10 TO 8 MAKES THINGS FOR EFFICIENCY, USING TOOLS TO GENERATE SOMETHING, LAST 10 TO 20% PERCENTAGE TOUCH ON TOP OF THINGS.

>> WAY I EXPLAIN A.I., EVERYONE STARTED USING A.I.

EVERYTHING WOULD LOOK THE SAME.

AND I WORK WITH A LOT OF BUSINESS MARKETING AND ADVERTISERS.

>> IDEA BEHIND MARKETING, ADVERTISING YOURSELF TO STICK OUT.

PERSONAL TOUCH, A LITTLE BIT OF SOMETHING ESPECIALLY ART OR VIDEO, SHOWCASES YOUR PERSONALITY, YOUR PERSONAL TOUCH MIDDLE PART WHERE YOU COULD UTILIZE A.I.

GENERATE THINGS QUICKLY.

HAVE A CONVERSATION, I THINK THAT IS ANOTHER POINT TOO.

A LOT PEOPLE USE ChatGPT.

ASK A QUESTION.

TRYING TO GET A DEFINED ANSWER BACK.

ChatGPT IS LIKE A TEXT THREAD.

HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH IT.

AND THAT IS WHERE YOU GET A BENEFICIAL OF BEING ABLE TO HAVE CRITICAL THINKING IN TERMS OF USING ChatGPT, IS IF YOU HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH ChatGPT, LIKE IT'S ANOTHER PERSON, I DO THAT.

I WORK REMOTE.

SO I'M BY MYSELF A LOT.

I JUST NEED SOMEONE TO BOUNCE IDEAS OFF IF I HAD SOMEONE NEXT TO ME, GRAB YOUR COWORKER.

HEY, DID YOU KNOW THAT?

WHAT IF I DO THIS?

SOMETIME PERSON DOESN'T RESPOND BUT GETS TRAIN OF THOUGHTER GOING.

>> LIKE A TUTOR.

CLASSROOM TUTOR.

>> DIFFERENT WAYS YOU CAN USE IT I THINK.

AGAIN, JUST SHIFT IN HOW WE THINK ABOUT IT I THINK.

AND BEGINNING AND END ADD YOUR OWN PERSONAL TOUCHES EXTRA TO GIVE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE.

>>Yunji: LIYA, YOU SAID THAT YOU WROTE, PUT A TWO MINUTE TELEVISION SHOW TOGETHER.

ANSWER ROBERT FROM NUUANU.

WHY WOULD I WANT TO WATCH THAT SHOW CREATED BY A.I.?

>> I WOULDN'T WATCH A SHOW CREATED BY A.I.

ALONE.

THAT IS DEFINITELY MY STANCE HERE.

THE POINT OF ART IS TO CONNECT AND TO COMMUNICATE HUMAN EMOTION AND EXPERIENCE.

BRING US CLOSER.

AND TO LIVE THROUGH SOMETHING MAYBE WE PERSONALLY HAVEN'T LIVED THROUGH, BUT WE CAN RELATE TO IT.

I THINK IT IS A TOOL.

THERE IS ALWAYS HAS TO BE A HUMAN BEHIND THAT ART.

I WOULD ALSO SUGGEST THAT THERE IS ALWAYS AN EASIER WAY TO UNDERSTAND THANK YOU TECHNOLOGY WHEN WE LOOK BACK.

BACKWARD IN TIME.

KIND OF LIKE ASKING WHY WOULD I TRUST MAGICIAN THAT USED CALCULATOR.

>> BEFORE IT WAS INTRODUCED.

WE ARE NOW IN TIMES IMAGINE BEFORE SEARCH WAS INTRODUCED.

ALL SCARED, IS GOOGLE GOING TO KILL LIBRARIES?

WHY WOULD WE ALL USE SEARCH?

OR BEFORE MOBILE PHONES WERE INTRODUCED, ALL GOING TO WALK AROUND WITH BOXES IN OUR POCKET.

SEEMS REALLY SCARY.

USING THEM AS A TOOL TO HELP US CREATE ART, WRITE BOOKS.

DO EVERYTHING.

ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I'M PERSONALLY EXCITED ABOUT AS A TOOL, EVENS OUT THE PLAYING FIELD A LITTLE BIT.

ANY OF ONE OF YOU WANTED TO CREATE A MOVIE RIGHT NOW, PUT ON NETFLIX.

YOU WOULD NEED TO MOVE TO HOLLYWOOD.

CREATE CONNECTIONS WITH ANYBODY WHO WOULD EVEN PITCH TO PEOPLE.

GET PEOPLE IN THE ROOM WITH INFLUENCE.

GET YOU PRODUCERS, BUDGETS ATTACH ACTORS.

FILM IT.

SPEND SO MUCH MONEY AND BET IT BEING SUCCESSFUL.

>> A.I.

TOOL, TAKE YOUR IDEA AND REALLY QUICKLY PROTOTYPE IT, NOT BE PERFECT.

>> IDEA IS NOT JUST A THOUGHT IN YOUR HEAD, TANGIBLE THAT YOU SHOW TO PEOPLE AND HAVE IT INSTANTLY CONNECT TO.

EVENING OUT THE PLAYING FIELD A LITTLE BIT.

ALLOWING PEOPLE FROM UNDERPRIVILEGED COMMUNITIES TO ENTER INTO SOME OF THE AREAS THAT RESERVED ONLY FOR PEOPLE WITH CONNECTION, MONEY, LOCATION, ET CETERA.

ENTHUSIASM.

>>Yunji: DO YOU SEE IT THE SAME WAY?

>> PRETTY OPTIMISTIC DISCUSSION, ARE A.I.

GOING TO REPLACE HUMANS?

I'M FIRMLY ON SIDE OF A.I.

WILL AUGMENT HUMAN SHORT TERM.

MAYBE QUESTION OF TRANSCENDENCE.

HARD NO.

HUMANS BEING AUGMENTED BY A.I., THAT IS GREAT FOR A LOT OF REAONS THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.

>> A LOT OF REASONS MENTIONED EARLIER, FOR ME PERSONALLY, REALLY YOURSELF WHAT YOU GUYS THINK IN THE CLASSROOM, TUTOR, A.I.

AS A TUTOR IS REALLY USEFUL TO ME.

PERSONALLY, IN MY JOB IF I HAVE TO LEARN SOMETHING.

HOURS, ASK ChatGPT QUESTIONS.

SEARCH, ASK QUESTIONS.

>> EXPLAIN MORE QUESTIONS.

>> EXPLAIN THIS TO ME.

ALSO SAY TO DO IT PRETEND LIKE I'M A FIVE‑YEAR‑OLD.

>> EXPLAIN TO ME LIKE A YEAR OLD.

WRITE IT TO THAT LEVEL.

I HAVE A BREAK GROUND.

MATH.

TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT.

MOST PATIENT TUTOR EVER.

THIS IDEA OF LIKE AUGMENTS PEOPLE, AUGMENTS DECISIONS WITH A.I.

TOOLS, I THINK WILL MAKE THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE.

>> AS WE TALK ABOUT IT, THERE ARE RISKS PEOPLE WANT TO SCAM PEOPLE.

SCAMS WILL GET EASIER SAME WAY REGULAR JOBS WILL GET EASIER.

MORE PEOPLE EXPOSED TO POSSIBLE WITH A.I., USING YOURSELF AND OUTPUTS, THINK BETTER BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL HOPEFULLY GET FOOLED LESS EASILY.

MORE CRITICAL THINKING, WHAT'S POSSIBLE.

>> THAT'S THE IDEA GOAL.

WE USE COMPUTERS AND TOOLS TO MAKE OURSELVES BETTER AND MORE FULFILLED AND I THINK TO THE POINT WE GENERATE ABUNDANCE FOR OUR COMMUNITIES.

>>Yunji: SO SAMANTHA, I WONDER IF YOU COULD BUILD ON THAT AS WELL BECAUSE WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT, SYSTEM, PEOPLE ARE TRUST AND GOOD.

WE NEED GUARDRAILS.

>> BOTH EMBRACE AND FEAR A.I.

AND LAWMAKERS SHOULD DO SOMETHING TO CONTROL IT.

IS THIS POSSIBLE?

LEGISLATION KEEPING UP?

>> CONTROL IS HARD WORD.

AGAIN, I THINK IT'S REALLY CRITICAL FOR EVERYBODY TO REMEMBER THAT A.I.

IS A TOOL BY HUMANS FOR HUMANS.

IT'S RIGHT NOW AT THE STAGE TECHNOLOGY IS ACCESSIBLE LEARNING BY EVERYONE.

IF WE SEED GROUND OR RELIEVE THINKING HOW TO DEVELOP PARTICULAR A.I.

TOOLS TO OTHERS, DON'T ENGAGE IN THAT.

>> WE'RE LETTING OTHERS DECIDE HOW WE SHOULD BE UTILIZING VERY POWERFUL TECHNOLOGY.

SO IF WE'RE LOOKING AT CONTROLS, I THINK WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WHAT KIND OF CONTROLS WE WANT TO PUT IN THE LAW, WHAT THE LAW FUNCTION IS BASICALLY, SET OF RULES JUST LIKE PROGRAMMING THAT HUMANS AGREE ON.

THIS IS THE RELATIONSHIP THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE WITH ONE ANOTHER IN OUR COMMUNITY.

AND SO IF THIS TECHNOLOGY IS IN OUR COMMUNITY, WE NEED TO DECIDE WHAT ARE THE GROUND RULES WITH INTERACTING WITH EACH OTHER THROUGH IT?

HOW THAT LOOKS AND EVERY COMMUNITY I THINK IS GOING TO BE DIFFERENT.

AND YOU'RE ALREADY SEEING VERY VASTLY DIFFERENT APPROACHES ALL OVER THE WORLD AS TO WHAT PEOPLE THINK A.I.

WHAT THE APPROPRIATE USE OF A.I.

IS AND SHOULDN'T BE.

SO RIGHT NOW, U.S. IS KIND OF CAUTIOUSLY SAYING WELL, EVERYBODY SHOULD GET INVOLVED AND WE'LL SEE.

INTERNATIONALLY, OTHER GOVERNMENTS ARE TAKING REALLY REALLY DIFFERENT APPROACHES.

>>YUNJI: I SEE YOU NODDING OVER THERE.

WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS?

>> ARE LAWMAKERS KEEPING UP?

>> WELL, I THINK ON ONE SIDE, CERTAIN THINGS THAT HAVE DEFINED AS CRIMES.

NOT LEGAL.

SAY EXTORTION FOR INSTANCE.

QUESTION IS IF YOU USE A.I., TO EXTORT SOMEBODY, IS THAT BETTER OR WORSE?

CHANGED NATURE OF THE CRIME?

>> CORRECT.

>>Yunji: ACTUALLY DOING THE EXTORTION?

>> EXACTLY.

REASON FOR IT.

SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THAT A.I.

ITSELF SHOULD BE LEGAL OR ILLEGAL.

IT'S STILL BASIC ACT OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

IF USING A.I.

TO COMMIT EXISTING CRIME IS WRONG, THEN I THINK YOU SHOULD CODIFY THAT OF LAW.

PUT THIS IN THERE, IF YOU USE A.I.

TO DO SOMETHING, USE A GUN TO COMMIT A CRIME, MAYBE ENHANCE PENALTIES FOR DOING THAT.

THEN YOU GET INTO SOMETHING THAT IS PRACTICAL AND ENFORCEABLE, BUT IN ITSELF, A.I.

IS TECHNOLOGY.

I THINK WE SHOULD AVOID SAYING IT'S LEGAL OR ILLEGAL.

IT'S GOOD OR BAD.

IT'S JUST A TOOL AS A TECHNOLOGY.

>>Yunji: CONTROL SEEMS PRETTY DIFFICULT.

>> THING TO FEAR AND TO KIND OF PLAN AGAINST IS PEOPLE'S INTENTIONS WHEN THEY USE THIS TOOL AS WITH ANY TECHNOLOGY.

>> RIGHT.

>>Yunji: RYAN, GO AHEAD.

>> I MEAN, WHETHER IT'S D.O.E.

POLICY OR A LAW PROPOSED LAW IN THE LEGISLATURE, NOW TO BAN USING A.I.

TO IMPERSONATE PEOPLE FOR POLITICAL PURPOSES.

NOT THAT I'M AN ANARCHIST OR FIGHTING TRYING TO PUT GUARDRAILS, THAT'S A TOOL.

IMPERSONATION OF SOMEONE IS ALREADY A CRIME DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THEY USE.

I THINK PAINTBRUSH IS NOT GOING TO CLAIM COPYRIGHT AND PAINTBRUSH IS NOT GOING TO CLAIM ART.

IT IS INTENT.

IT IS THE PERSON BEHIND IT THAT IS GOING TO GET CREDIT OR BLAMED FOR SOMETHING.

SO I JUST SORT OF WANTED TO JUMP IN SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS EVEN AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL AND INTERNATIONAL LEVEL ABOUT HOW DO WE GO LATE AND CONTROL IT.

SOMEONE POINTED OUT PUTTING INTO THESE PLACES THESE CONTROLS MIGHT SAY THAT THE INTENT IS TO PROTECT PEOPLE.

ALWAYS OTHER MOTIVATIONS UNWANTED RESULTS.

TRYING TO SAY STOP DEVELOPMENT OF ALL A.I.

JUST FOR A LITTLE WHILE WHILE WE FIGURE IT OUT, COMPANIES WANTED THAT SIX MONTHS AHEAD OF EVERYBODY ELSE YOU SAY A.I.

ARE FORBIDDEN MODELS OPEN TO ANYBODY, DISADVANTAGES AS MANY PEOPLE ADVANTAGING PEOPLE.

>>Yunji: NO PURE INTENTIONS.

I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TAKE THIS ON.

COMES IN FROM A VIEWER ON YOUTUBE.

WHAT DOES HAWAII'S DIVERSITY AND CULTURE GENERALLY MEAN FOR THE SPEED WHICH A.I.

MIGHT LEARN PLUS CHALLENGES IT WILL FACE REGARDING INCLUSIVITY AROUND USEFULNESS TO THE AVERAGE LOCAL RESIDENT?

>> PART OF BECAUSE HAWAII IS SO DIVERSE, I THINK YOU HAVE A LOT OF WORLD VIEWS.

>> WHAT I THINK ABOUT IN TERMS LIKE ETHICS OF A.I., PART OF WHAT COMES UP FOR ME ANCESTRALLY, NOT ALL KNOWLEDGE WAS ACCESSIBLE BY EVERYONE.

TERMS THAT WAS CODIFIED IN SOCIETY, KAPUA NOA.

THINGS THAT ARE SACRED TO CERTAIN GROUPS.

THINGS YOU HAVE IF YOU'RE NOT A PRACTITIONER YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO.

AND THAT WAS ENFORCEABLE GOVERNMENT AT THE TIME UNDERSTOOD VALUE OF THAT.

I THINK THAT FROM A HAWAIIAN PERSPECTIVE, HOW OUR KNOWLEDGE IS USED, WAYS NOT EVERYONE HARDLY ANY GENERALLYISTS, IN PRECONTACT SOCIETY.

EVERYONE HYPERSPECIALIZED AND SPECIALIZATION DEFINED WAY KNEW AND KNOWLEDGE BASE YOU HAD ACCESS TO.

YOU COULDN'T JUST TAKE THAT PLUS EVERY FAMILY GENEOLOGY OWN KNOWLEDGE THEY WEREN'T SHARING.

WHAT DOES IT MEAN WHEN WE HAVE THAT AS A CORE CULTURE.

>> INDIGENOUS KNOWLEDGE BUT PROTECTION IS THERE.

TO INSURE KNOWLEDGE IS BEING USED WITH THE CONSENT FAMILIES TO GOAL THEY WOULD I LIKE TO SEE NOT PUT OUT FOR GENERAL EXTRACTION.

IN HAWAII, SO MANY DIVERSE ETHNICITIES AND DIFFERENT VALUE SETS.

ASIAN COMMUNITIES, CULTURES.

WHAT WOULD A.I.

LOOK LIKE HONOR DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN THEM INSTEAD OF TRYING TO FORCE US TO BE HOMOGENEOUS.

>> DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER.

HAVEN'T REALLY DUG INTO IT YET.

FROM THE INTENTION, IDENTIFY WHAT YOU WANT YOUR A.I.

TO OPTIMIZE FOR AND GIVE IT CLEAR PARAMETER, ETHICS AND OUTCOMES.

IF YOU'RE HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS, WE CAN DESIGN TOWARDS THOSE.

AND HAWAII REALLY UNIQUE PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE OF INDIGENOUS EXISTENCE AND PRESENCE OF INDIGENOUS COMMUNITY.

BUT LAYERS OF COMMUNITIES HAVE COME AND CALLED HAWAII HOME AND NORMALIZED TO BEING HERE.

RICH CASE STUDY.

INTERESTING POINT.

WHAT DAVID WAS TALKING ABOUT, WE WANT THIS TO REFLECT LARGER SOCIETY.

AT THE SAME TIME, WHAT IT DOES WITH THIS INFORMATION COMES OUT OF OUR CONTROL.

THERE'S QUESTION HERE FROM MARA MILLER.

WOULD LOVE CLARA FOR YOU TAKE THIS ON.

>> WHAT ABOUT THE HUMAN EXPERIENCE OF DOING THINGS.

>> WE'RE ALL NOSTALGIC FOR THE PAST ALL THE TIME.

DEFINES HAWAII.

WE ARE A NOSTALGIC COMMUNITY.

TALKING ABOUT THE FUNCTION OF A.I.

HUMAN EXPERIENCE.

PHYSICALLY MOVING ART ACROSS THE CANVAS, WRITING OWN WORDS ON PAPER, PLUMBER UNDER SINK OFFERING THE PROBLEM.

THINK ABOUT MY OWN KIDS WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE GOING RO LEARN TO WRITE IN CURSIVE.

USEFUL TOOL OR WASTE OF TIME?

WHAT DO YOU SAY WITH THESE QUESTIONS, PHYSICAL ACT OF DOING THINGS AND MAYBE BEING EFFICIENT ISN'T ALWAYS BEST.

>> GREAT QUESTION.

I AGREE WITH SENTIMENT THAT I THINK MOST PEOPLE HAVE SHARED HERE ON THE PANEL TODAY.

IT'S NOT SO MUCH A.I.

ITSELF.

IT'S THE PEOPLE THAT USE IT AND HOW THEY USE IT.

I THINK THAT OF COURSE WE ALL NEED TO EMBRACE NOT NECESSARILY TRADITION, BUT I THINK THAT THERE IS SOMETHING TO BE SAID ABOUT THE SIMPLER THINGS.

QUIET MOMENTS WE ALL NEED TO HAVE.

IMPORTANT WHAT WE DO TO BALANCE THAT.

TAKING INTO ACCOUNT IDEAS OF TUTORING AND THINGS LIKE THAT OF USING A.I.

PEOPLE WHO DO USE A.I.

TO HELP THEMSELVES UNDERSTANDING THEIR SUBJECTS BETTER DOING PAPER AND PENCIL WORK IN THE END.

>> SO I THINK THERE'S BALANCE.

THERE IS A BALANCE OF USING TECHNOLOGY TO YOUR BENEFIT WHILE STILL KEEPING TO HEART NOT NECESSARILY TRADITIONS BUT KEEPING TO HEART YOUR OWN SELF AND YOUR OWN TOUCH TO EVERYTHING YOU DO.

>>Yunji: I MEAN I KNOW FOR MYSELF, ONLY WRITE WHEN I'M WRITING GROCERY LIST.

TYPING EVERYTHING.

WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT BALANCE THAT CLARA IS TALKING ABOUT?

>> I THINK DEFINITELY NEED THAT HUMAN BALANCE ESPECIALLY, KIND OF PROPONENT THAT A.I.

IS GREAT TOOL.

SHOULD BE USED IN A LOT OF APPLICATIONS.

BY THERE'S ALSO A LOT OF APPLICATIONS A LOT OF AREAS THAT WHICH A.I.

SHOULDN'T BE USED AS WELL.

SO I THINK NOWADAYS LIKE A WHOLE PUSH FROM COMPANIES AND EVEN FROM PEOPLE PERSONAL LIVES TO BE USING A.I.

I DON'T THINK THAT IS NECESSARILY THE CORRECT DIRECTION.

I THINK PEOPLE SHOULD BE DECIDING WHETHER A.I.

ADDS VALUE TO THEIR ISSUES AND PROBLEMS AND WHETHER IT'S, YEAH PROVIDING THE HAPPINESS.

PROVIDING SATISFACTION OF PHYSICALLY PAINTING, THAT'S AN EXAMPLE.

IS A.I.

GOING TO ADD VALUE TO THAT THAT?

PROBABLY NOT.

>>Yunji: WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT?

IDEA THAT IF YOU WANT TO GENERATE A FASHION LINE, MAYBE YOU NEED TO LEARN SEWING MACHINE FIRST OR NOT NECESSARY.

>> FEW THINGS.

FIRST OF ALL, A.I.

IS COMING.

AND I DON'T THINK NO MATTER HOW MUCH WE DISCUSS IT, NOT GOING TO AFFECT WHETHER IT'S COMING OR NOT.

IT WILL BE HERE.

SO WE WILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

SECOND OF ALL, I REALLY BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULDN'T JUST HAVE THINGS OUTSOURCED TO IT AND THAT'S IT.

YOU CAN SEE RIGHT NOW.

ANY TEXT WRITTEN WITH A.I., YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THAT'S WRITTEN WITH A.I.

IN A SECOND.

I SEE EMAILS NOBODY CARED PROOF READ IT WAY LOOKS HUMAN.

LOOKS PERSONAL.

SOMEBODY JUST TOOK FIVE SECONDS TO GENERATE IT.

I'M GOING TO ANSWER TO THAT EMAIL.

BECAUSE THERE'S A LACK OF CARE.

SO WHENEVER WE DO USE A.I., AND I USE IT EVERY SINGLE DAY, I TREAT IT AS MY PERSONAL ASSISTANT.

PERSONAL ASSISTANT IS NOT A CLONE OF YOU.

JUST SOMEBODY WHO HELPS YOUR LIFE BEING EASIER.

NOT EVERYBODY CAN AFFORD IT.

BUT NOW, KIND OF EVERYBODY CAN.

IN A WAY.

THERE SHOULD BE A PROCESS WHERE IT SHOULD ALWAYS START WITH A HUMAN IDEA END WITH A HUMAN CURATION.

>> EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN IS HOWEVER YOU CHOOSE.

>> DOES IT ADD VALUE?

SOMETIMES THE ANSWER IS DO NOT USE A.I.

AT ALL.

I THINK IT WILL BE A PART OF OUR LIVES, BUT WE CAN CHOOSE HOW MUCH AND WHERE.

>>Yunji: I THINK THAT GOES TO WHAT YOU WERE SAYING.

10%, 80%, AND FINAL TOUCH.

HUMAN IDEA, WHAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT THE CURATION AT THE END.

>> YEAH.

>> I THINK TO JUST GO TO EVERYBODY'S POINT, I USED TO BE IN TECH SALES.

>> I WOULD TELL PEOPLE, TECHNOLOGY WAS DEVELOP AND MADE TO MAKE OUR LIVES SIMPLER IN SOME AREA.

WHAT I'M TRYING TO SELL YOU OR THIS TOO LONG DOE DOES NOT SIMPLIFY YOUR LIFE OR DOES NOT HELP YOU.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO CHOOSE USE IT.

EXAMPLE WHY WE WANT TO ADAPT IT, GRANDPARENTS NEVER WANTED TO GET A SMARTPHONE, IT WAS TOO COMPLEX FOR THEM.

BUT WHEN I GET GRANDKIDS AND THEY WANT TO SEE KIDS, FACETIME OR SOME VIDEO CALL.

THAT WAS THE WAY OF US BEING ABLE TO COMMUNICATE EASILY WITHOUT HAVING THEM DRIVE DOWN AND SEE KIDS ALL THE TIME.

IN THEIR WAY, IT BENEFITED THEM TO GET TECHNOLOGY BECAUSE NOW I CAN HAVE THIS PIECE OF TECHNOLOGY TO BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE THEM WHEREVER I AM.

I THINK AGAIN HUMAN PERSPECTIVE DOES THE TOOL HELP YOU IN ANY WAY?

BENEFIT YOU IN ANY WAY?

IF YOU ENJOY PAINTING ON A CANVAS WHAT BRINGS YOU JOY.

YOU SHOULD PAINT ON A CANVAS.

>> SHOULDN'T USE A.I.

TO GENERATE ART.

I THINK IT'S HUMAN ASPECT OF EVERYTHING.

LIKE DO YOU WANT TO USE IT OR DO YOU NOT?

I THINK YOU WANTED TO WEIGH IN.

>> I THINK IT RAISES AN IMPORTANT DISTINCTION AND HOW WE VIEW IT AND USE A.I.

AND BEING INTENTIONAL WITH IT.

THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PURPOSE AND PROCESS.

WHAT A.I.

IS REALLY GOOD AT DOING IS HELPING US FIGURE OUT AND REFINE OUR PROCESS.

CAN'T PROVIDE US A PURPOSE.

GOES ALL THE WAY BACK TO ORIGINAL QUESTION ABOUT WHAT WE THINK ABOUT OUR OWN EXISTENCE.

WE CREATE OUR OWN PURPOSE.

A.I.

IS NOT GOING TO GIVE US THAT.

>> REALLY GOOD, THINKING A LOT ABOUT ONE OF THE, SO IMPORTANT TO DIGITAL VERSUS PERSPECTIVES.

I FEEL LIKE DIGITAL NATION OPTIMIZES FOR CONTINUITY OF GENEOLOGY AND CARE FOR OUR RESPONSIBILITY.

GENEALOGY DOESN'T HAVE BUILT‑IN HUMAN OBJECTION LESSONS.

ELDERS WERE REVERED, HELD SO MUCH KNOWLEDGE.

DIDN'T REVERE THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE OLD.

PRECONTACT SOCIETY BEING OLD WAS AN ACCOMPLISHMENT.

NO OTHER LIFE AND DEATH BUFFER WAS SO THIN.

SO I JUST THINK A.I.

CAN NEVER REPLACE RIGOR.

IT CAN NEVER REPLACE YOU CAN TELL WHEN SOMETHING IS DONE WITH RIGOR.

EVEN LIKE REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS LIKE GREAT SHAKING OUT BECAUSE IF YOU USE IT TO CHEAT, GOING TO CATCH UP WITH YOU.

AS LONG AS WE HAVE A PLACE WHERE PRACTICES ARE MAINTAINED, CAN UNDERSTAND USEFUL TO OUR PRACTICES ULTIMATE TESTING GROUNDS.

THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I'M REALLY CURIOUS ABOUT.

WHAT COULD OR COULD NOT, APPRECIATE THE IDEA THAT THE FOCUS ON HUMAN CONTINUITY IS CORE TENET OF INDIGENOUS THINKING.

GENEOLOGY IS EVERYTHING.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR A.I.?

WHAT DOES THAT SHOW UP IN SUPPORTING THAT THINKING?

IS THE QUESTION MARK WE'RE HOLDING.

>> >>Yunji: DEBORAH?

>> WE CAN'T POSSIBLY BEGIN TO TALK ABOUT THIS RIGHT NOW.

BUT ONE OF THE BIGGEST CRISISES IN THIS GENERATION AND EDUCATION IS SOCIAL EMOTIONAL LEARNING.

AND THEY ARE SO INUNDATED WITH TECHNOLOGY.

>> I APPRECIATED THE COMMENT ABOUT PLUMBER AND THE SEWING.

THEY HAVEN'T LEARNED TO USE THEIR HANDS, HAVEN'T LEARNED TO WALK AWAY FROM TECHNOLOGY, AND GET INTO THAT OPEN SPACE, INTO NATURE, OR INTO SOMETHING HANDS‑ON OR PUTTING THE BRUSH ACROSS THE CANVAS AND FINDING OUT, WOW, THAT REALLY DIDN'T WORK.

HOW DO YOU DO THAT?

UNTIL WE CAN ADDRESS THAT AND I THINK THAT IS WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THIS GENERATION.

WE'RE ADDING ANOTHER GIGANTIC PIECE OF TECHNOLOGY TO THEIR LIVES AND THEY'VE ALREADY, THEY'VE NEVER KNOWN A WORLD WITHOUT TECHNOLOGY LIKE SOME OF US IN THE OLDER GENERATIONS HAVE.

AND SO THERE DEFINITELY NEEDS TO BE A BALANCE AND I THINK THAT OUR STUDENTS RIGHT NOW ARE IN CRISES MENTALLY.

WE HAVE A WHOLE MENTAL AID CRISIS WITH OUR STUDENTS.

AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS FOCUS AS WELL.

THAT HUMAN ASPECT AND BRINGING IN THAT INDIGENOUS KNOWLEDGE OF BRINGING THEM BACK TO THE AINA AND GETTING THEIR HANDS DIRTY, NEEDS TO PLAY A ROLE TOO.

SO WHEN YOU SAY TOOL AND NOT ADDING BENEFIT, WELL, IT CAN ADD BENEFIT BUT IT CAN ALSO DO A LOT OF HARM.

WE REALLY NEED TO BALANCE THAT AND WE NEED TO BRING THESE KIDS BACK BACK INTO A SPACE, ALL OF US I THINK.

>> ALL OF US CAN PUT OUR PHONE DOWN.

>>Yunji: GET TO YOU IN A MOMENT.

WOULD LOVE FOR SCOTT TO ANSWER THIS ONE.

WE'RE TALKING A LOT OF DUALITY.

KIND OF A.I.

LIVING WITH PEOPLE WITH DISABILITY DOING AMAZING THINGS IN THAT REGARD.

>> TERRIFIC QUESTION.

>> A.I.

CAN HAVE AN IMPACT ON MULTIPLE KINDS OF DISABILITIES.

I THINK MAYBE FIRST THING TO THINK ABOUT WITH A.I., WOULD BE COGNITIVE DISABILITIES.

>> HELP WITH MEMORY.

>> COULD IMAGINE A.I.

COMPANION THAT HELPS YOU REMEMBER THINGS.

DAY‑TO‑DAY THINGS.

OR HELPS YOU REMEMBER THINGS FROM THE PAST THAT YOU MAY HAVE FORGOTTEN THAT WOULD BRING YOU JOY TO REMEMBER.

IF ONLY YOU COULD BRING THEM UP IN YOUR OWN HEAD.

ONE MAJOR THING.

>> ALSO, A.I.

COULD ASSIST IN HELPING PEOPLE WITH MEDICATION, KEEP TRACK OF THEIR MEDICATIONS.

OF COURSE WHOLE MEDICAL WORLD, A.I.

IS CHANGING EVERYTHING, DIAGNOSIS, AND TREATMENT AND DETECTION.

>> WE HAVE INTERESTING PROJECT AT U.H.

RIGHT NOW ON DETECTING BEHAVIORAL AND COGNITIVE DISORDERS FROM VIDEO OF CHILDREN PLAYING OR INTERACTING WITH YOU TRAIN A.I.

SYSTEM TO WATCH CHILDREN PLAYING AND COME UP WITH TELL DOCTOR YOU SHOULD CHECK THERE CHILD FOR CERTAIN PROBLEMS.

THEN ONCE IT BECOMES MORE IN TERMS ROBOTS THINGS LIKE THAT, CAN YOU HAVE THEM ACTUALLY CARING FOR PEOPLE, DOING SURGERY.

>> ROBOTIC SURGERY AND CARING FOR PEOPLE THAT WAY.

>>Yunji: A LOT OF UPSIDES.

I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO TAKE THIS ONE ON FROM CATHERINE.

>> KAPIOLANI PARK AREA.

ONE OF THE THINGS PEOPLE COME TO HAWAII FOR IS RELIEF FROM TECHNOLOGY.

A.I.

IS REALLY TAKING AWAY FROM WHAT THE ISLANDS WHAT WE'RE ALL ABOUT.

>> I THINK ANY TECHNOLOGY, I MEAN THAT IS LIKE MAYBE YOU SHOULDN'T BRING YOUR SMARTPHONES TO COME TO HAWAII.

I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE POINT.

I REALLY THINK THAT THE EDUCATION CONVERSATION FLOWS IN.

HUMAN EXPERIENCE AND EVERYTHING.

I'M SORRY SCOTT.

BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE TEACHING EVERY KID TO PROGRAM BECAUSE NOW A.I.

CAN DO THAT, BUT I THINK REQUIRED CLASS SHOULD BE DEBATE.

COMES DOWN TO TRUST.

AUTHENTICITY COME TO HAWAII, WANT TO SEE A REAL THING.

I THINK FINDING THAT REAL THING AND MAKING THAT CONNECTION IS GOING TO DRIVE US, JUST LIKE FINDING LOVE, WHATEVER THE TOOL IS, THAT MIGHT BE DISTRACTING US AT THE TIME.

>>Yunji: WHERE DO YOU STAND ON THIS IDEA OF EMBRACE IT OR FEAR?

>> I THINK THAT'S A TOOL AND I WOULDN'T BAN A PENCIL OR HAMMER EVEN THOUGH IT COULD BE HARM.

I WOULD SAY I PROBABLY EMBRACE IT.

>>Yunji: I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU.

TALKED A LOT ABOUT A LOT OF DIFFERENT ISSUES.

THIS IS REALLY EFFECTING YOUR GENERATION PERHAPS MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT QUESTION OF EMBRACE IT OR FEAR IT, WHERE DO YOU LAND?

>> I WOULD SAY I WOULD EMBRACE IT.

SOME PEOPLE WOULD BE MORE HESITANT THAN OTHERS.

>> I WOULD SAY THAT I WOULD.

IT'S OBVIOUSLY A TOOL TO BE USED.

IT'S A TOOL THAT CLEARLY, IT'S EXPANDED SO MUCH WITHIN JUST THE LAST FEW YEARS, NOTHING WE CAN DO TO GET RID OF IT OR STOP ITS USE, ESPECIALLY IN MY YOUNGER GENERATION SO USED TO TECHNOLOGY.

SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT I FEEL WE HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO EMBRACE AND THERE ARE MANY WAYS AS YOU HAVE HEARD THROUGHOUT THIS WHOLE PACKAGE, WE CAN EMBRACE IT GREAT WAYS.

COULD CAUSE A LOT OF HARM.

FOR MY GENERATION MIGHT NOT THINK OF IT LIKE THAT.

IF YOU GET CAUSE USING A.I., MIGHT MEAN YOU GET A 0 ON THIS PAPER.

IN THE FUTURE, IT COULD AFFECT SOMEONE MUCH LARGER THAN YOU.

I THINK THAT WE'LL BE SEEING HOW IT CAN AFFECT MY GENERATION.

EITHER POSITIVELY, HELPING WHOLE ENTIRE SOCIETY OR HOW IT CAN LEAD TO MISINFORMATION AND SOME OTHER THINGS.

TIME WILL TELL.

BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE'RE FORCED TO EMBRACE.

>>Yunji: I THINK THIS GENERATION HAS A LOT OF WISDOM.

GREAT PLACE TO LEAVE US TONIGHT.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

MAHALO TO ALL OF OUR GUESTS.

TO YOU AT HOME FOR BEING A PART OF TONIGHT'S TOWN HALL.

WE WILL BE BACK WITH ANOTHER KAKAAKO IN APRIL.

>> TALKING ABOUT WELL‑BEING.

>> ANOTHER KAKOU.

FOLLOW OF US LIFE SIMPLIFY IS OVERWHELMING FINANCIAL PRESSURES.

POLITICAL CLIMATE, FEARS ABOUT THE FUTURE, THERE IS A LAUNDRY LIST OF STRESSOR OUT THERE.

>> SO HOW CAN WE ALL COPE?

WE'LL BE FOCUSING ON DESTRESSING AND PRETTY STRESSFUL WORLD.

HOPE YOU JOIN US THEN.

I'M YUNJI DE NIES.

UNTIL NEXT TIME.

ALOHA.

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