[♪♪] Good evening.

Welcome to Kentucky Tonight.

I'm Renee Shaw.

Thanks for joining us.

Our topic tonight: Artificial Intelligence.

There are mixed opinions about it.

Some people think it’s a breakthrough that will improve efficiency and make people’s lives better.

Other people are worried it will take millions of jobs of all types, and even threaten human supremacy.

To discuss all of this, we are joined in our Lexington studio, by: Trey Conatser of the University of Kentucky Center for the Enhancement of Teaching and Learning; State Representative Josh Bray, a Republican from Mount Vernon; and Donnie Piercey of the Google Earth Education Experts Network and the 2021 Kentucky Teacher of the Year.

And joining us by SKYPE: Roman Yampolskiy.

University of Louisville Professor of Computer Science, Author, and A.I.

Safety & Cybersecurity Researcher; and State Representative Nima Kulkarni, a Democrat from Louisville.

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Welcome to all of our guests.

IT'S GOOD TO SEE EVERYONE.

HOPE YOU HAD A GREAT HOLIDAY WEEK FOR THE FOURTH OF JULY.

WE WERE OFF THEN BUT WE HOPE YOU ENJOYED YOUR TIME WITH YOUR FAMILIES AND CELEBRATING OUR NATION.

THIS IS A COMPLICATED TOPIC, I THINK.

REPRESENTATIVE BRAY THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS I DON'T THINK I CAN READ ENOUGH ABOUT TO LEARN ABOUT.

WE ARE GOING TO DEFER FIRST TO PROFESSOR TO GIVE US A PRIMER ABOUT WHAT AI IS, WHAT DOES IT ENCOMPASS AND WHERE IS IT RIGHT NOW?

>> IT'S BEEN A DREAM.

IT'S BEEN A DREAM FOR MANY YEARS.

THE GOAL IS TO CREATE AN EQUIVALENT OF HUMAN POSSIBILITY, COGNITIVE AND MAYBE PHYSICAL THROUGH ROBOTICS.

AUTOMATION OF LABOR, AUTOMATION OF SCIENCE, AUTOMATION OF ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT CAPABILITIES.

AND FOR MANY YEARS, IT DIDN'T WORK REALLY WELL.

WE HAD NARROW SYSTEMS MAYBE THEY COULD PLAY CHESS AND NOTHING ELSE.

OVER THE LAST SIX MONTHS MAYBE COUPLE YEARS, WE ACTUALLY STARTED TO SEE SYSTEMS WHICH ARE GENERAL.

THEY CAN DO MANY THINGS.

THEY CAN HELP YOU WITH YOUR HOMEWORK.

THEY CAN WRITE POETRY THEY CAN TRANSLATE PROGRAMS.

WE ARE STARTING TO SEE WHAT SOME PEOPLE THINK IS EARLY STAGES OF ARTIFICIAL GENERAL INTELLIGENCE.

A SYSTEM AS CAPABLE AS A NORMAL PERSON AND MAYBE EVEN SMART PERSON.

NEXT LEVEL WOULD BE USE OF THOSE TECHNIQUES FOR AUTOMATION OF RESEARCH.

SCIENCE, ENGINEERING DEVELOP MORE ADVANCED AI AND THAT WOULD GET US TO SUPER INTELLIGENCE SYSTEMS SMARTER THAN ALL OF US.

AND THAT IS WHERE THE REAL FUN BEGINS.

>> Renee: I THINK THAT LAST PART PROFESSOR ABOUT SYSTEMS BEING SMARTER THAN ALL OF US GIVES MANY PEOPLE PAUSE.

AND I WANT TO GO TO YOU DOCTOR TO ASK YOU ABOUT THAT.

U.K. UNIVERSITY OF KENTUCKY FOR WHICH YOU WORK THEY ARE EMBRACING THIS.

YOU HAVE A GROUP OR EFFORT THAT REALLY HELPS ORGANIZE AND COALESCE AROUND THIS IN A POSITIVE WAY.

BUT WHEN YOU HEAR THERE COULD BE SYSTEMS THAT ARE SUPERIOR TO HUMANS, THAT GIVES A LOT OF PEOPLE HEARTBURN.

>> THE IDEA WHAT WE'RE DOING AT THE UNIVERSITY OF KENTUCKY IS IN FACT ENGAGE THOSE KINDS OF HARD QUESTIONS DIRECTLY.

AND LOOK AT WHAT'S EMERGED IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS AS A KIND OF OPPORTUNITY TO CONSIDER WHERE THE PLACE OF THE HUMAN STILL IS IN THIS WORLD WHERE THINGS HAVE BECOME AS THE PROFESSOR WAS SAYING, PERHAPS MORE AUTOMATED AND SOPHISTICATED AND HAVE LEAPT IN SOPHISTICATION THAN EVER BEFORE.

>> Renee: RIGHT.

SO THERE ARE HUMANS, THOUGH, WHO ARE CREATING THIS ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE.

WHY WOULD MAYBE IT'S NOT A GOAL, BUT WHY WOULD AN INADVERTENT GOAL OR BE TO HAVE THEM BE SUPERIOR TO HUMANS?

IS THAT A GOAL?

>> WELL, I THINK OUR GOAL IS TO THINK ABOUT HOW WE CAN LEVERAGE THIS TECHNOLOGY IN A WAY THAT ENHANCES SOME OF THE GOALS WE HAVE AS A UNIVERSITY AND OTHER INSTITUTIONS OF HIGHER EDUCATION ARE DOING THE SAME THING IN TERMS OF PRIORITIZING THINGS LIKE STUDENT LEARNING, THE RESEARCH ENTERPRISE, THE SERVICE MISSION AND HEALTHCARE FOR EXAMPLE.

SO THAT THE PLATFORMS THAT ARE AUTOMATING A LOT OF THESE REALLY SOPHISTICATED AND DIFFICULT THOUGHT PROCESSES FOR EXAMPLE LOOKING AT MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF DATA OR CONSIDERING LANGUAGE AT A SCALE THAT A HUMAN BRAIN CAN'T POSSIBLY COMPREHEND CAN AUGMENT AND HELP US THINK THROUGH THINGS THAT MAYBE WE COULDN'T DO BEFORE.

>> Renee: I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE DOCTOR TO ASK ABOUT 60 MINUTES THEY REBROADCAST ON CBS JUST LAST NIGHT THE SEGMENT WITH SCOTT PELLEY ABOUT AI AND THERE WAS A SEGMENT ABOUT ROBOTS WHO WERE PLAYING SOCCER.

THESE MINIATURE ROBOTS.

AND THEY HAD LEARNED STRATEGY.

AND IN THE BEGINNING I THINK MANY OF US THOUGHT THAT THEY THIS TECHNOLOGY WAS SINGULAR IN NATURE THEY ARE GIVEN A SPECIFIC TASK AND THEY CAN'T GO BEYOND THAT.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT THESE ROBOTS WERE ABLE TO DO ON THE SOCCER FIELD THEY WERE ACTUALLY ABLE TO CRITICALLY THINK ABOUT HOW TO BLOCK AND MAKE THE GOAL AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS.

SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE, RIGHT?

>> NO, WE ARE WELL BEYOND THAT.

SOCCER IS TRIVIAL IN TERMS OF STRATEGY.

WHAT MAKES IT DIFFICULT IS THE PHYSICAL ASPECT OF ROBOTICS.

IN TERMS OF STRATEGY WE HAVE AI WHICH OUTPERFORMS HUMANS IN GAMES OF STRATEGIES SUCH A GOAL.

AND BETTER AT STRATEGY.

ALSO IT WAS ABLE TO SOLVE DIFFICULT SCIENTIFIC PROBLEMS PROTEIN FOLDING.

IN MANY DOMAINS IT'S SUPERIOR TO OUR BEST EFFORTS.

>> Renee: SO WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT TERMS OF NATIONAL SECURITY, CYBERSECURITY IS WHAT YOU ALSO HAVE EXPERTISE IN, ARE THERE CONCERNS ABOUT THIS TECHNOLOGY BEING A BRIDGE TOO FAR?

>> OF COURSE.

IT'S CAPABLE OF INDEPENDENTLY DISCOVERING EXPLOITS IT CAN WRITE CODE AND GOOD AT SOCIAL ENGINEERING ATTACKS.

NOW WITH THE PRO LIVEIATION OF GENERATED CONSENT, VIDEOS, PICTURES THOSE SYSTEMS CAN SIMULATE YOUR BOSS YOUR SPOUSE YOUR FRIEND, EVEN BEFORE YOU HAD TO GENERATE A SPEAR FISHING E-MAIL BY E-MAILS YOU BY TIEING TO FIGURE OUT WHO YOU ARE AND STILL A LOT OF PEOPLE CLICKED ON THOSE LINKS MANY NOW YOU CAN SEND A VIDEO TO MILLIONS OF ACCOUNTS OF SOMEONE THEY KNOW AND TRUST TELLING THEM HEY WHAT IS YOUR PASSWORD I NEED MONEY SENT TO ME.

IT IS A NIGHTMARE IN SO MANY DIFFERENT WAYS.

>> Renee: AND THE EDUCATION SPACE Mr. PIERCESY, WE KNOW THAT CHAT GPT WHICH MANY OF US THINK DOESN'T FLOW FLUENTLY OFF THE TONGUE BUT THAT HAS BECOME IN THE ACADEMIC WORLD AND YOU CAN SPEAK TO THIS, TOO, HOW THIS HAS BECOME A CONCERN BUT PERHAPS NOT FOR YOU.

PERHAPS THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE TALKED WITH YOU BEFORE, BEFORE, ABOUT HOW YOU AND YOUR CLASSROOM IS EMBRACING?

>> WHEN I'M LOOKING AT AI, WHETHER IT'S CHAT GBT OR GOOGLE, I WANT TO LOOK AT IT AS AN EDUCATOR HOW CAN THIS TOOL BE INCORPORATED INTO MY INSTRUCTION AND HOW CAN THAT BETTER THE STUDENT LEARNING AND ENGAGEMENT THAT TAKES PLACE WITH MY STUDENTS.

SO WHENEVER I FIRST DISCOVERED CHAT GBT FOR THE FIRST TIME I DISCOVERED IT THE DAY AFTER IT LAUNCHED THROUGH A FRIEND.

STARTED TO PLAY AROUND WITH IT AND I RECOGNIZED THAT THINGS WERE GOING TO CHANGE IN THE WAY THAT A TECHNOLOGY WAS GOING TO BE BROUGHT INTO THE CLASSROOM.

AND AT THAT POINT I STARTED TO ASK MYSELF AS AN EDUCATOR, HOW ARE LESSONS GOING TO BE DIFFERENT?

WHAT IS AN ACTIVITY DESIGNED WITH AI WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE?

HOW IS IT GOING TO BE BETTER AND MORE IMPORTANTLY WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE STUDENTS IN YOUR CLASSROOM HOW CAN YOU USE THIS TOOL TO BETTER THE INSTRUCTION THAT THEY RECEIVE.

>> Renee: AND PROTECT THE ACADEMIC INTEGRITY.

>> FOR SURE.

IT'S NO SECRET AND I'M SPEAKING AS SOMEONE WHEN I WAS A 17-YEAR-OLD, IF THIS EXISTED I WOULD TOTALLY FIGURE OUT A WAY TO TRY TO USE IT AS PART OF MY EDUCATION.

I GUESS YOU COULD SAY.

BUT ALL THAT ASIDE, YOU CAN'T IF A STUDENT IS USING CHAT GBT AND THEY ARE TRYING TO USE IT AND PASS IT OFF AS WORK AS THEIR OWN, THERE IS AN ISSUE THERE.

BUT I DON'T THINK THAT MEANS THAT WE AS EDUCATORS IMMEDIATELY NEED TO SHY AWAY FROM THIS TECHNOLOGY.

BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING TO GO AWAY AND IT'S ONLY GOING TO GET BETTER AND IT IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE FIGURE OUT DIFFERENT WAYS WE CAN INCORPORATE THIS TOOL SO THAT WAY WE CAN BETTER OUR PROFESSION AND ULTIMATELY BETTER THE LIVES OF OUR STUDENTS.

>> Renee: HOW ARE YOUR FELLOW EDUCATORS RESPONDING?

ARE THEY EMBRACING IT AS YOU ARE?

>> I THINK I'M AS MUCH AS I LOVE EDUCATIONAL TECHNOLOGY, I'M STILL APPROACHING USING AI IN A KIND OF INTENTIONALLY BEING HESITANT ABOUT IT.

WE HAVE DAYS WHEN I'VE TOLD MY STUDENTS WE ARE NOT USING TECHNOLOGY TODAY WE ARE GOING ON A WALK TO GET AWAY FROM THIS STUFF TO GIVE OUR BRAINS A BREAK FROM IT.

IN THE EDUCATION SPACE, I THINK UNDERSTANDABLY THERE'S PEOPLE HAVING TOUGH QUESTIONS AND A LOT OF TIMES IT'S FOR THAT ALMOST LIKE THE DEHUMANIZATION THAT WILL COME FROM USING AI.

IN THEORY, I COULD HAVE AI CREATE A PROMPT, I COULD HAVE AI CREATE EXAMPLES AND MY STUDENTS COULD SUBMIT THEIR WORK TO ME USING AI AND THE AI COULD GRADE IT AND GIVE THEM FEEDBACK AND A SCORE.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING.

>> Renee: IT ELIMINATES THE NEED FOR THE TEACHER.

>> AND THAT IS THE PROBLEM.

THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY AS AWESOME AS THE AI TECHNOLOGY IS IT IS SO IMPORTANT THAT WE USE WHATEVER BENEFITS IS GOING TO GIVE US WHETHER IT'S SAVING TIME, GIVING INFORMAL FEEDBACK OR COMING UP WITH SUBLESSON PLANS ON THE FLY ALL THE TIME WILL GIVE IT ARE WE GOING TO USE THAT TIME TO GET TO KNOW OUR STUDENTS TO SEE WHAT IS GOING ON AND TO HELP THEM BECOME BETTER PEOPLE?

>> Renee: TO YOUR POINT ABOUT THE PROMPTS, OUR COPRODUCER TOBY ASKED THE CHAT GBT TO DEFINE AND TALK ABOUT ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE AND GIVE THE PROS AND CONS AND THIS IS WHAT THE ANSWER CONCLUSION CAME OF THAT.

ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BRING ENORMOUS BENEFITS TO SOCIETY AND IT ALSO RAISES CONCERNS THAT MUST BE ADDRESSED.

ETHICAL CONSIDERATIONS, JOB DISPLACEMENT, ACCOUNTABILITY, TRANSPARENCY, SECURITY RISK AND THE IMPACT OF AUTONOMOUS WEAPONS ARE CHALLENGES WE FACE.

IT GIVES A BALANCED PERSPECTIVE ABOUT AI DOESN'T TIP THE SCALES ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

DOES THAT SURPRISE YOU HOW OFTEN IT DOES NOT SEEM TO PRESENT BIASES THAT HUMANS POSSESS.

>> ANYTIME YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT TECHNOLOGY THERE'S GOING TO BE BIAS BUILT INTO IT.

IT'S NEXT TO IMPOSSIBLE TO NOT THAT HAVE.

NO, IT DOESN'T SURPRISE ME.

LIKE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN THE LAST 10 MINUTES THE AI IT'S SMART.

IT RECOGNIZES THAT IT HAS THOSE BIASES BUILT INTO IT AND AS THEY GO ABOUT TRAINING THESE THINGS MORE AND MORE IT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE NEED TO BE IF WE'RE GOING TO INCORPORATE THEM INTO OUR INSTRUCTION AS EDUCATORS, WE NEED TO START TO ASK THOSE QUESTIONS.

WE CAN'T JUST BECAUSE IT SPITS OUT A FACT WE CAN'T TRUST WHAT IT TELLS US.

WE HAVE TO FACT CHECK.

>> Renee: TRUST BUT VERIFY.

>> SURE.

>> Renee: IS THAT THE KIND OF MO THAT YOU WOULD HAVE IN YOUR APPROACH TO THIS AS WELL?

>> THAT'S ONE OF THE MORE IMPORTANT ASPECTS OF INTEGRATING AI INTO THEIR EDUCATIONAL MISSION IN TERMS OF DEVELOPING THESE CRITICAL LITERACIES THAT IF YOU THINK BACK TO LET'S SAY THE EARLY 1990s WITH THE RISE OF THE INTERNET AND THE WORLDWIDE WEB A SIMILAR DISRUPTIVE MOMENT FOR EDUCATION EDUCATORS WHERE WE HAD TO ASK OURSELVES WHERE LEGITIMATE KNOWLEDGE COMES FROM AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO NAVIGATE THIS NEW WEALTH AND SOURCE OF INFORMATION THAT ALL OF OUR FIELDS OF STUDY HAD YET TO RECKON WITH IN A COMPREHENSIVE WAY.

AND FAST FORWARD 30 YEARS AND HERE WE ARE IN A WAY WHERE NO MATTER WHAT YOU STUDY YOU ARE GOING TO BE TAUGHT HOW TO NAVIGATE THE INFORMATION THAT IS OUT THERE WITH AN AWARENESS AND CRITICAL EYE TOWARDS IT AND THAT IS PART OF THE IMPERATIVE WE'RE FACING TODAY AS EDUCATORS IN INTEGRATING AI INTO EDUCATION INTO OUR CLASSROOMS AND OUR STUDENTS' LEARNING.

>> Renee: AND YOU MADE AN INTERESTING POINT ABOUT DIGITAL LITERACIES IT'S ONE THING TO SAY ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE AND ANOTHER WAY TO EXECUTE IT WITH SKILL AND DEXTERITY.

BEING TAUGHT HOW TO USE THE TECHNOLOGY WITH SOME EFFICACY AND VALUES, IS IMPORTANT LESSON THAT UNIVERSITIES WILL EMBRACE AND MAKE A PART OF THE CURRICULUM?

>> AND TO UNDERSTAND IT MORE AS A BLACK BOX WHERE WE MIGHT PUT IN A PROMPT AND PERHAPS BE VERY GOOD AT PUTTING IN PROMPTS AND GETTING OUTPUT THAT CAN SOLVE A PROBLEM OR PRODUCE A GOOD POEM OR A GOOD PLAY.

BUT IF WE UNDERSTAND HOW IT WORKS, HOW IT WAS MADE AND WHERE IT'S GOING, WHAT THE IS IN CONSTRAINTS AND AND HOW WE CAN SQUARE THOSE OUR GOALS IN A WAY THAT IS RESPONSIBLE AND ETHICAL.

THAT IS THE GOAL.

IT'S NOT NECESSARILY TO WHERE ALL OF A SUDDEN EVERYONE HAS TO BECOME AN AI EXPERT BUT EVERYONE HAS TO DEVELOP THE LITERACIES TO WHERE IN SOME WAY ARE IMPERATIVE IS TO RECKON WITH AI THAT CAN DEVELOP THAT KIND OF CRITICAL USE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

>> I READ A REALLY INTERESTING ARTICLE ABOUT ARE WE GOING TO BE EDITORS FROM HERE ON OUT.

AND I DON'T THINK THAT IS WHERE IT'S HEADED THAT IS TAKES THE HUMAN ELEMENT.

I HOPE WE START TO CELEBRATE REAL ARTISTS AND POETS AND NOT JUST CELEBRATING ROBOT LOVE.

BUT WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF SOMEONE IS A REAL ARTIST OR WRITER, THEY ARE ABLE TO PLAY AN INSTRUMENT ON THE STAGE IN A SOLO, I WANT TO START TO CELEBRATE THOSE THINGS ALL THE MORE.

>> Renee: WELL, AND IT WAS INTERESTING AT THE END OF THE 60 MINUTES SECOND ABOUT AI THERE WAS A DISCLAIMER HE SAID MIGHT BECOME PART OF THE MAINSTREAM LIKE THE PREVIOUS CONTENT YOU'VE SEEN WAS HUMAN DEVELOPED.

AND SO I MEAN TALK ABOUT YOUR DISCLAIMERS HAVING TO ACTUALLY GIVE CREDENCE TO THE FACT AND ACKNOWLEDGE THIS WAS PRODUCED BY A HUMAN AND DID NOT HAVE INTERFACING WITH ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE.

REPRESENTATIVE NIMS KULKSRNI JOINING US BY SKYPE AT THE SOUTHERN LEGISLATORS CONFERENCE WE ARE GLAD SHE HAS TAKEN TIME TO BE WITH US.

BEFORE WE TALK ABOUT AUTONOMOUS VEHICLES WHO JOSH BRAY WAS A SPONSOR OF, I WANT TO GET YOUR CONCERNS WHEN YOU HEAR THE CONVERSATIONS WHETHER IT'S CHAT GPT AND OTHER AREAS, WHAT ARE YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT IT AND ARE YOU CELEBRATING THIS ADVANCEMENT?

>> I THINK FUNDAMENTALLY WHAT WE NEED TO RECOGNIZE IS THAT AI IS A TOOL.

IT IS A TECHNOLOGY THAT IS DISRUPTIVE AND WE HAVE GONE THROUGH AS A SPECIES SEVERAL ITERATIONS OF DESTRUCTIVE TECHNOLOGIES IN HEALTHCARE AND TRANSPORTATION AND AGRICULTURE OUR WORLD TODAY DOES NOT LOOK LIKE IT LOOKED 20 YEARS AGO, 50 YEARS AGO, 100 YEARS AGO.

THERE IS A LOT OF POLICY IMPLICATIONS AND IMPACT TO OCCUPATIONS AND PROFESSIONS.

SO I THINK WE NEED TO VIEW AI AS A TOOL THAT IS HERE AND BECAUSE OF THE COMPUTER PROCESSING SPEEDS THAT WE HAVE IS LIKELY TO GROW IN TERMS OF WHAT IT CAN DO, BUT IT IS A TOOL THAT IS BASED ON HUMAN INPUT.

YOU KNOW WE'RE HEARING ABOUT THINGS LIKE AI HAVING A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS BECAUSE COMPANIES CREATED WAYS FOR US TO USE THEM.

CHAT GPT YOU HAVE IMAGE GENERATING AI AND THOSE ARE ALL PRIVATE COMPANIES THAT HAVE CREATED WAYS FOR US TO ACCESS THIS TECHNOLOGY.

SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT EVERYBODY IS GOING TO UNDERSTAND IMMEDIATELY.

WE ARE NOT GOING TO UNDERSTAND THE POTENTIAL IMPLICATIONS IMMEDIATELY.

BUT I DO THINK THAT WE NEED TO RECOGNIZE THAT IT'S HERE AND THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO REALLY TAKE A LOOK AT IT THROUGH THE LENS OF HOW IT'S GOING TO IMMEDIATELY IMPACT OUR WORLD AND HOW IT'S GOING TO IMPACT OUR WORLD IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

IF FIVE YEARS, IN 10 YEARS.

BECAUSE WE ARE IN A VERGE OF A VERY DISRUPTIVE TECHNOLOGY THAT COULD BE IN TERMS OF OUR RECENT HISTORY A BIGGER IMPACT ON OUR SPECIES THAN THE INTERNET.

SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO BE VERY COGNIZANT OF AND VERY CAREFUL WITH.

BUT ALSO RECOGNIZE ITS VAST POTENTIAL.

>> Renee: REPRESENTATIVE BRAY, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE WITH US.

YOUR THOUGHTS BEFORE WE TALK ABOUT YOUR LEGISLATION ON AUTONOMOUS VEHICLES.

>> AS A KID WHO GREW UP WATCHING TERMINATOR IT IS A FASCINATING TIME TO BE ALIVE.

BECAUSE YOU KNOW, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE REAL.

BUT KIND OF TO ECHO WHAT REPRESENTATIVE SAID, ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE IS A TOOL.

AND WE NEED TO BE TEACHING OUR STUDENTS NOT NECESSARILY LIKE HEY WE NEED TO STAY AWAY FROM THIS BUT HOW CAN WE USE IT.

I WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL 20 YEARS AGO.

AND I HAD MATH TEACHERS TELL ME THEN YOU ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE A CALCULATOR YOU NEED TO LEARN HOW TO DO THIS BUT NOBODY SAW THIS COMING.

WHERE WE HAVE IT WITH US CONSTANTLY.

AND IF I WISH I HAD SPENT MORE TIME THEN LEARNING HOW TO USE EXCEL AND NOT HOW TO USE BROAD EQUATIONS BUT HOW CAN I TAILOR THAT THROUGH TECHNOLOGY THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN HANDY ABOUT NOW.

WE ARE ON THE PRECIPICE OF SOMETHING THAT IS STRAIGHT OUT OF THE SCIENCE FICTION NOVEL.

AND IT'S REALLY EXCITING BUT AT THE SAME TIME IT'S SCARY BECAUSE YOU KNOW OF THE POTENTIAL OF JOB DISPLACEMENT.

GBT IT PASSED THE BAR EXAM, IT PASSED THE MEDICAL LICENSING EXAM.

SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PROFESSIONAL PEOPLE WHO COULD BE LOSING THEIR JOBS.

JUST KIND OF DOING RESEARCH AND SEEING WHERE ALL THIS IS SEEMS TO BE HEADED YOU KNOW, IT DOES APPEAR LIKE FOR CANCER RESEARCH OR PHYSICS OR ROCKET SCIENCE WHATEVER THERE'S A GREAT POSSIBILITY OF IT DOING TREMENDOUS THINGS BUT THEN THERE'S ALSO THE SCARY SIDE OF HOW DO WE MAKE SURE EVERYTHING STAYS CONTAINED AND THAT WE PERCEIVE RESPONSIBLY.

>> Renee: I WANT TO PARS OUT A TERM THAT REPRESENTATIVE SAID WAS DISRUPTIVE.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS A POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE BUT WE'LL GET TO THAT IN A MOMENT.

WE WANT TO SHOW YOU THERE ARE CREATIVE USES OF AI.

MEMBER OF OUR KET FAMILY USES CHAT GPT TO HELP WRITE BEDTIME STORIES FOR HER CHILDREN.

WE CAUGHT UP TO THEM TO FIND OUT HOW IT WORKS AND FIND OUT WHY THEY ARE EMPTY BRACING THIS TECHNOLOGY.

>> ONCE UPON IN A TIME IN A LAND FAR AWAY THERE LIVED PIERCE, CHARLIE IRELAND AND CELTIC.

>> WE HAVE BEEN USING CHAT GPT TO DO BEDTIME STORIES FOR OUR KIDS AND IT'S BEEN A FUN THING TO DO.

OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE LOTS OF OTHER BOOKS IN HERE THAT WE READ.

BUT THE CHAT GPT HAS ADDED A FUN ONCE IN A WHILE ADDITION TO BEDTIME.

YOU OPEN THE APP AND THEN YOU GIVE INSTRUCTIONS TO WRITE A BEDTIME STORY A CHILDREN'S BEDTIME STORY.

YOU CAN ADD CHARACTERS AND GIVE AS MUCH OR LEGAL DETAIL ABOUT THE PLOT AND CHARACTERS AND IT COMES UP WITH THE REALLY SUPER CUTE VERY SIMPLE STORIES WITH OUR KIDS' NAMES IN THEM AND DIFFERENT ADVENTURES AND IT IS A REALLY UNIQUE AND FUN WAY TO USE CHAT GPT.

>> WRITE A THREE-FIVE MINUTE CHILDREN'S STORY ABOUT FOUR SIBLINGS.

>> THEY LOVE IT BECAUSE IT ADDS A PERSONAL TOUCH TO THE STORIES SO THEY ARE THE CHARACTERS.

THEY GET TO LIKE SOMETIME ALSO ASK THEM QUESTIONS LIKE WHAT DO YOU WANT YOUR ADVENTURE TO BE?

WHAT IS THE SETTING?

WHAT DO YOU WANT TO HAPPEN ALONG THE WAY?

YOU CAN LET THEM BUILD THE STORY WITH YOU.

AND SO THEN THEY GET INVESTED IN THE STORY THEY ARE HAVING MORE FUN AND THEY ARE DOING A LOT MORE OF THE STORYTELLING PART OF IT WHICH IS COOL.

AND THEY ARE LEARNING THE DIFFERENT COMPONENTS OF THE STORY.

YOU KNOW YOU NEED CHARACTERS YOU NEED A PLOT, YOU NEED A SETTING.

SO THEY ARE LEARNING THAT ALONG THE WAY.

THEY LOVE ALL THE BOOKS BUT THEY LOVE THIS EXPERIENCE IT IS A STORYTELLING ACTIVITY.

>> ONCE UPON A TIME THERE WAS A... >> THIS FELT LIKE A COOL WAY TO INTRODUCE IT TO OUR KIDS.

AND HAVE THEM KNOW WHAT IT IS.

BECAUSE IT'S OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT IS PART OF THEIR FUTURE.

THEY ARE GOING TO PROBABLY USE IT.

THEY ARE GOING TO BE INTRODUCED TO IT THEY ARE GOING TO KNOW WHAT IT IS IT'S GOOD TO LEARN EARLY TO USE IT FOR GOOD INSTEAD OF EVIL IS ONE WAY TO LOOK AT IT.

I HOPE THAT WHAT THEY TAKE FROM THAT IS THAT WHILE THIS IS FUN AND SILLY AND WE CAN CREATE THE STORIES THAT HAVE US AS CHARACTERS THAT THERE IS ABSOLUTELY VALUE IN REAL LITERATURE THAT STOOD THE TEST OF TIME THAT HAS BEEN READ TO THE MANY, MANY TIMES.

I HOPE THAT ALSO IS IMPARTED ON THEM IN THAT WAY IT IS A TOOL THAT CAN BE USED BUT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE BEST THING TO USE IN ALL SCENARIOS.

AND THAT THERE'S VALUE IN BOOKS, STORIES WRITTEN BY REAL PEOPLE.

>> SO THE SIBLINGS ENCHANTING ADVENTURE BECAME A CHERISHED MEMORY REMINDING THEM TO EMBRACE THE WONDERS OF THE WORLD WHILE SAYING SAFE IN THE WARM EMBRACE OF THEIR LOVED ONES.

THENT.

>> Renee: THERE'S NOTHING LIKE THE REAL THING.

THERE USED TO BE A SLOGAN FOR A PRODUCT.

AND THAT IS WHAT YOU HEARD HER ELUDE TO THERE HAS TO BE A BALANCE THAT YOU WANT TO GET THE BOOK OFF THE SHELF AND READ BUT SHE HAS LITTLE KIDDOS WHO WERE LEARNING AI AND KNOW MORE ABOUT IT THAN US?

>> IT'S IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE AND WE'VE HINTED AT THIS ALREADY BUT WHERE WE ARE WITH AI WE ARE AT THE KIDS FROM MY AGE GROUP IT'S WE ARE AT THE ATTIRERY 2600 OF AI.

PITFALL AND ALL WAS GREAT.

IT'S ONLY GOING TO GET BETTER IT'S ONLY GOING TO GET BETTER.

I DO THINK IT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE START TO MODEL FOR OUR STUDENTS THE WAYS WE CAN USE THIS IN POSITIVE WAYS OUTSIDE OF USING IT TO ANSWER QUICK QUESTIONS FOR US.

AND I FEEL LIKE THAT'S GOING TO BE THE SWEET SPOT AND RIGHT NOW THIS TECHNOLOGY ESPECIALLY CHAT GPT3 IS LESS THAN A YEAR OLD.

WE AS EDUCATORS WE ARE STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW DOES THIS FIT INTO INSTRUCTION WHAT DOES IT MEAN FOR COLLEGE ADMISSIONS.

AND THESE ARE GOOD QUESTIONS TO START TO ASK.

BUT IT'S GOING TO BE THINGS OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS IN THE EDUCATION FIELD WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT THOSE ANSWERS TO.

BUT, YES, I STILL BELIEVE THERE IS NOTHING LIKE THE REAL THING AND THERE IS A REASON I DO READ ALOUD EVERYDAY.

WITH MY KIDS AT HOME AND ALSO WITH THE STUDENTS IN MY CLASSROOM WRITTEN BY A HUMAN.

>> Renee: WRITTEN BY A HUMAN.

IT HAS TO HAVE THAT DISCLAIMER.

DOCTOR, I WANT TO TOSS OUT A COUPLE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE GOTTEN FROM VIEWERS.

THIS FROM A VIEWER WITH THE RISE OF ELECTRIC VEHICLES AND THE RISE OF AI BOTH OF THESE TECHNOLOGIES WILL REQUIRE SHORT AND LONG-TERM ELECTRICITY THAT ARE CURRENT ALTERNATIVES TO COAL CANNOT PROVIDE WHAT DOES THE LONG-TERM DEMAND MEAN FOR COAL IN KENTUCKY CAN YOU ANSWER THAT?

>> I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT COAL IN KENTUCKY.

I KNOW THAT LEADERS OF OTHER COMPANIES THINK WE MAYBE TWO TO FOUR YEARS AWAY FROM SUPER INTELLIGENCE.

SO ALL THE PROBLEMS WE'RE DISCUSSING LIKE CLIMATE CHANGE MAY BECOME IRRELEVANT.

SYSTEMS SOLVE THAT FOR US AND WE WILL NOT BE AROUND TO DEAL WITH THAT PROBLEM.

IT'S IMPORTANT TO SPEND SOMETIME LOOKING AT WHAT CAN HAPPEN NOT JUST IMMEDIATELY NOT JUST NEXT SEMESTER BUT WHAT ABOUT FIVE YEARS FROM NOW?

IF WE ARE SUCCESSFUL AT MAKING THIS TECHNOLOGY DISRUPT EVERYTHING, ECONOMY, MILITARY, SCIENCE.

AND I THINK WE'RE NOT DOING ENOUGH AS SCIENTISTS AND POLITICIANS, AS CITIZENS.

>> Renee: SO, YES, YOU ARE THINKING THAT THE POLICY MAKING IS LAGGING BEHIND HOW FAST THE TECHNOLOGY IS EVOLVING, CORRECT?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

I THINK THERE'S IMMEDIATE PROBLEMS ARE VERY SERIOUS AND THEY IMPACT PEOPLE.

BUT THEY ALSO DES TRACK YOU FROM WHAT IS IMPACTFUL.

WE HAVE ALLEGELISM PROBLEMS WE HAVE UNEMPLOYMENT, BUT NONE OF IT WOULD MATTER IF THE SUPER INTELLIGENCE IS OUT OF CONTROL AND KILLS EVERYONE.

AND IT USED TO BE SCIENCE FICTION.

50 YEARS AGO NOW WE HAVE LEADERS OF THOSE AI LABS SAYING WE NEED TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM NOW OR WE ARE ALL DEAD.

AND NO ONE REALLY PAYS ATTENTION AND PEOPLE SWITCHBACK TO THE FAVORITE TOPIC OF THEIR CHOOSING.

>> Renee: SO THIS QUESTION FROM JEFF FROM CALDWELL COUNTY I WILL LET YOU OR OTHERS CHIME IN IT'S FOR THE LEGISLATORS IN PARTICULAR.

HOW WILL DEVELOPMENTS IN MEDICINE AND TREATMENT DRUGS BE PATENTED AND MONETIZED WHEN DEVELOPED BY AI WILL THERE BE COST PROTECTIONS FOR CONSUMERS IN KENTUCKY?

HAVE YOU GIVEN THOUGHT TO THAT REPRESENTATIVE BRAY?

>> THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION.

THE POLICY MAKING HAS LAGGED BEHIND THIS.

AND PART OF THE REASON BEHIND IT IS WE DON'T NECESSARILY UNDERSTAND WHAT AI IS TRULY CAPABLE OF.

AND THE ADVANCEMENTS ARE HAPPENING SO EXPONENTIALLY FAST NOW THAT IT'S HARD FOR US TO KEEP UP.

GOING BACK TO THAT, I MEAN THAT'S A FEDERAL ISSUE THAT NEEDS TO BE HANDLED AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL.

WEIGH CAN PASS SOMETHING THROUGH THE STATE, BUT YOU'VE GOT 49 OTHER STATES AND I DON'T KNOW HOW EFFECTIVE THAT WOULD BE.

>> Renee: YOU WOULD BE FOR UNIFORM STANDARDIZED FEDERAL LAW TO GOVERN HOW ALL OF THIS IS APPROACHED.

SAME QUESTION TO YOU REPRESENTATIVE, THE POLICY MAKING SPACE HASN'T KEPT PACE WITH HOW THIS IS EVOLVING SO QUICKLY, SHOULD KENTUCKY WAIT FOR THE FEDS TO STEP IN AND CREATE POLICY THAT STATES SHOULD FOLLOW OR SHOULD STATES GO ON THEIR OWN?

>> I BELIEVE WE NEED TO DO THIS ON OUR OWN.

WE CANNOT WAIT FOR STATES TO CATCH UP TO WHAT FEDERAL POLICY MAY OR MAY NOT BE ENACTED.

I WILL THROW OUT REAL ID IT'S TAKEN 20 YEARS FOR 50 STATES TO DO AN UPGRADE TO OUR DRIVER'S LICENSES.

AND THE INTERPRETATION OF WHAT A FEDERAL LAW WOULD LOOK LIKE, THE IMPLICATIONS OF WHAT WOULD BE IN THAT FEDERAL LAW I THINK ARE NOT NECESSARILY GOING TO LOOK THE SAME STATE BY STATE.

A LOT OF CONCERNS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP WITH BRAY'S BILL AND I DID NOT MEAN TO PICK ON THIS SPECIFICALLY, HAD TO DO WITH EASTERN KENTUCKY A LOT OF EASTERN KENTUCKY LAWMAKERS WERE CONCERNED WITH THE ROADS IN EASTERN KENTUCKY.

THE LACK OF CONSISTENT BROADBAND OR SIGNAL IN EASTERN KENTUCKY THAT MAY NOT LOOK THE SAME IN ANOTHER STATE A UNIFORM FEDERAL LAW IS NOT GOING TO BE SUFFICIENT TO ADDRESS ALL OF THE NEEDS THAT KENTUCKIANS HAVE.

I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE THE LEAD ON THIS BECAUSE OUR PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE IMPACTED FIRST AND THE SPEED AT WHICH ALL OF THIS IS HAPPENING IS SOMETHING WE CANNOT DISMISS.

BY THE TIME WE FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH SOCIAL MEDIA IMPACTED ALL OF US AND HAS IMPACTED A GENERATION, IT'S ALREADY DONE.

RIGHT?

SO WE'RE STUDYING WHAT HAS ALREADY HAPPENED.

AND I'M STILL PROCESSING A LITTLE BIT WHAT THE DOCTOR WAS SAYING, BUT IT'S CAN BE DIRE BUT IF WE JUST STUDY AND UNDERSTAND AND LEARN ABOUT WHAT THIS TOOL CAN DO AND WHAT ITS IMPLICATIONS ARE IF WE DO THAT WELL THEN WE WILL BE ABLE TO ENACT POLICIES THAT REFLECT WHAT THOSE GAPS ARE OR WHAT THOSE OPPORTUNITIES ARE.

>> Renee: WELL, YES, THE DOCTOR YOU WANT TO CHIME IN HERE?

>> YES.

HISTORICALLY, ABSOLUTELY CORRECTLY EVERYBODY IS SAYING AI IS A TOOL.

THAT'S WHAT IT ALWAYS WAS.

WE HAD NARROW AI, AND HELPED ME DO MY TAXES.

HELPED ME WIN THIS CHESS GAME.

THEN YOU HAVE GENERAL INTELLIGENCE.

YOU GO BEYOND HUMAN CAPACITY TO SUPER INTELLIGENCE.

IT STOPS BEING A TOOL AND BECOMES AN AGENT AN INDEPENDENT AGENT AN AGENT WE DON'T KNOW HOW TO CONTROL.

IN FACT, THERE ARE PUBLICATIONS ARE SAYING IT MAY BE IMPOSSIBLE TO DO IT.

THE IDEA IT'S JUST ANOTHER VERSION OF SOFTWARE A NEW WORD NEW INTERNET BROWSER IS NOT CAPTURING THE CHANGE.

IT IS A COMPLETE PARADIGM SHIFT TO WHERE WE ARE NO LONGER POSSIBLY IN CHARGE.

WE ARE NOT THE SMARTEST SPECIES AROUND AND WE DON'T KNOW HOW TO REMAIN IN CONTROL.

THERE IS NOTHING YOU HAVE TO CONTRIBUTE.

YOU CAN CONTRIBUTE TO A SUPER INTELLIGENCE.

IT IS A BETTER ARTIST.

IT IS A BETTER WRITER.

IT IS A BETTER PROGRAMMER YES WE HAVE MAN MADE NICHE PRODUCTS SOME PEOPLE FIND INTERESTING.

BUT IT'S NOT ENOUGH TO SUSTAIN 8 BILLION HUMANS.

>> Renee: THERE IS A TERM PROFESSOR THAT WE HEAR AND THAT IS JEN ACTIVE AI?

WHAT IS THAT, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

>> WE HAVE AI CAPABLE OF GENERATING ART.

GENERATING IMAGES, GENERATING COMPUTER CODE, GENERATING TEXT, GENERATING ALL SORTS OF DIGITAL MEDIA AND THERE IS REALLY NO LIMIT TO THAT.

IT CAN GENERATE VIDEO GAME IT IS CAN GENERATE FULL VIDEOS AND WHOLE UNIVERSES GIVEN ACCESS TOPHYSIC STIMULATERS.

A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE THINKING THAT WHAT WE SEE FROM APPLE AND META WITH VIRTUAL REALITY, WITH AUGMENTED REALITY IS THE WORLD WE ARE SHIFTING TOWARDS THERE IS NO REASON TO WASTE PRECIOUS PHYSICAL RESOURCES IF YOU CAN GET COMPARABLE EXPERIENCE IN VIRTUAL SPACE.

OF COURSE, ALL OF IT DEPENDS ON US BEING ABLE TO CONTROL THOSE SYSTEMS AND STILL BE AROUND TO ENJOY THOSE.

>> Renee: I WILL LET YOU CHIME IN IF YOU'D LIKE PROFESSOR?

>> TO GO BACK TO QUESTIONS OF POLICY THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING A LITTLE BIT EARLIER FROM AN INSTITUTIONAL LEVEL TO THINK ABOUT HIGHER EDUCATION OR ANY KIND OF SCHOOL SYSTEM, THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE KNOW THAT WE WANT TO HAVE AT KIND OF A BROAD LEVEL IN TERMS OF TEACHING STUDENTS CRITICAL LITERACIES IN TERMS OF MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE USING AI PLATFORMS REASONABLY SAFELY AND RESPONSIBLY IN THAT CASE.

BUT AKIN TO THIS QUESTION OF WHETHER STATES OR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WHAT WE SEE HAPPEN SOMETHING THERE'S DIFFERENT AREAS OF SPECIALIZATION FIELDS OF STUDY THAT THEN BREAK APART AND NEED TO CONSIDER ON THEIR OWN WHAT THE MEANING OF ALL THIS IS.

AND WE ACTUALLY HAVE LOTS OF PEOPLE ASKING VERY EXSENTENCE SHALL QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT IT MEANS TO DO WHAT THEY DO, WHETHER IN THE WORKFORCE OR ACADEMIC AREA OF STUDY AND MY PERSONAL AREA IS IN WRITING STUDIES.

AND IT IS A VERY INTERESTING QUESTION TO THINK ABOUT WHAT THE MEANING OF MY FIELD OF STUDY IS NOW THAT THERE IS A GENRE ACTIVE PLATFORM THAT CAN GENERATE TEXT IT IS NOT A HUMAN AGENT THAT CAN PRODUCE SOMETHING THAT THEORETICALLY IS ENTIRELY NEW HAS NEVER EXISTED BEFORE AND NOW THERE'S ARGUMENTS IT IS NOT ENTIRELY CREATIVE BECAUSE IT'S REPRODUCING A STATISTICAL NORM AND IT'S NOT THAT NOVEL.

BUT IT'S NEVERTHELESS WRITING IN A WAY THAT WE COULDN'T HAVE IMAGINED PERHAPS A FEW YEARS AGO BECAUSE WE HADN'T SEEN SOMETHING DO THAT.

WE ARE HAVING TO PLUM OUR IMAGINATION WHAT IS IT MEANS TO DO WHAT WE DO IN DIFFERENT WAYS WHETHER WE DO WRITING STUDIES OR MEDICINE OR PUBLIC HEALTH.

AND WE'RE HAVING TO FIGURE OUT IN OUR OWN AREAS WHAT THE USES OF USES WHAT THE DIFFERENT WAYS OF LEVERAGING AI ARE AND ALSO FIGURE OUT WHAT IT MEANS TO STUDY WHAT WE DO NOW THAT THERE'S THIS PRODUCTION CAPABILITY FOR THOSE WHO DO ART.

IT CAN PRODUCE A VISUAL IMAGE BUT IS THAT CREATIVITY?

IS THAT PRODUCING ART OR SOME OTHER KIND OF ACTION?

THOSE ARE INTERESTING CONVERSATIONS.

I THINK THE THINGS THAT WILL TAKE A LOT OF TIME TO SIFT THROUGH.

>> Renee: REPRESENTATIVE?

>> I JUST WANTED TO I AGREE WITH FORT THAT EVERYONE IS SAYING.

I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO REALIZE IS THE SPEED WITH WHICH THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

AND TO THE DOCTOR'S POINT, THE HOW WE TREAT IT AND THE POLICIES THAT WE PUT INTO PLACE RIGHT NOW OR HOW WE WILL CONTROL AND REGULATE ITS GROWTH.

USING THE WORD INTELLIGENCE, HUMAN INTELLIGENCE IS WHAT WE'VE USED TO SEPARATE OURSELVES FROM EVERY OTHER SPECIES ON THE PLANET.

SO YOU PUT ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE IN THE MIX AND THAT'S WHAT SCARES PEOPLE THAT WORD INTELLIGENCE BECAUSE WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BE HUMAN.

THERE ARE EXISTENTIAL QUESTIONS BUT WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT THE DISRUPTIONS NOT JUST IN TERMS OF OCCUPATIONS AND STATES AND COUNTRIES BECAUSE AS SOME POINT THOSE MAY BECOME MEANINGLESS.

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A RESOURCE THAT IS ABLE TO TAKE ALL OF THE DATA THAT WE HAVE SO FAR AND DIGITAL RECORDED HISTORY AND WE CAN PUT IN A PROMPT AND HAVE IT ALLOCATE RESOURCES.

THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY.

WE CAN PUT IN A PROMPT AND WE CAN GET ANSWERS TO THINGS THAT MAY TAKE YEARS AND YEARS FOR OUR CURRENT COMPUTING POWERS TO GET TO THE ANSWER.

SO I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT IS NOT NECESSARILY ONE INDIVIDUAL OCCUPATION OR ONE INDIVIDUAL STATE OR FEDERAL THERE IS A VERY MACRO PICTURE THAT NEEDS TOCK TAKEN BY ALL OF US BECAUSE THE DISRUPTION COULD BE TO THE DOCTOR'S POINT, THE ART WORLD IS HAVING ALL KINDS OF ISSUES.

YOU HAVE TO SAY YOU USED AI TO GENERATE THIS MAJOR HAVING A HARDER TIME DISTINGUISHING WITH OUR HUMAN BRAIN POWER IMAGES THAT ARE FAKE, VIDEOS THAT ARE FAKE, AND BY FAKE I MEAN AI GENERATED.

WHICH BRINGS INTO QUESTION WHAT DO WE OWN?

EVERY PROMPT THAT YOU PUT IN, AND JUST LIKE IN A SEARCH ENGINE, EVERY PROMPT THAT YOU PUT IN, IS A PIECE OF DATA THAT CAN BE USED BY A COMPANY ARE THEY BEING REGULATED?

DO WE HAVE A SYSTEM TO LOOK AT WHO OWNS THAT DATA?

APART FROM THE LIABILITY ASPECT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE AUTONOMOUS VEHICLES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY DAMAGE DONE BY AN AI GENERATED MAJOR AI GENERATED TEXT FOR INSTANCE THERE IS AN EXAMPLE OF AN ATTORNEY THAT USED AI TO GENERATE THE LEGAL BRIEF THAT LOOKED PERFECT BUT THE CITATIONS WEREN'T TO ANY CASES.

IT TAKES SOME HUMAN SCRUTINY AND SOME LEVEL OF ANALYSIS STILL TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S ACCURATE.

BECAUSE AI IS GOING TO BE COMPELLED TO GIVE YOU AN ANSWER TO YOUR PROMPT WHETHER IT'S TRUE, OR NOT.

AND SO WHILE IT IS STILL DEPEND END ON OUR INPUT WHILE WE CAN STILL TRAIN IT WE NEED TO TAKE A REALLY LONG VIEW A VERY BIRD'S EYE VIEW OF WHAT ALL OF THE IMPLICATIONS ARE.

I PERSONALLY BELIEVE A LOT OF DISRUPTIONS WILL BE IN EDUCATION.

IN TERMS OF WHAT DEGREES DO WE NEED IF WE CAN SKIP AHEAD AND YOU DON'T TO REPRESENTATIVE BRAY'S POINT YOU DON'T NEED A CALCULATOR ANYMORE NOBODY ANTICIPATED SMARTPHONES AT THAT POINT.

THERE IS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT VERY SPECIFIC THINGS, BUT THE TECHNOLOGY ITSELF IS MUCH BROADER AND MUCH BIGGER THAN ANY ONE ISSUE OR ANY ONE IMPLICATION THAT WE MAYBE TALKING ABOUT TODAY.

>> Renee: TO GET BACK TO A POINT ABOUT POLICY, LAWMAKERS IN MORE THAN 30 STATES, HAVE CONSIDERED AI LEGISLATION, KENTUCKY HAD THE AUTONOMOUS VEHICLE LEGISLATION THAT REPRESENTATIVE JOSH BRAY WHO IS WITH US, HOUSE BILL 135 IT DID PASS BUT IT WAS VETOED BY THE GOVERNOR.

THE LEGISLATURE CHOSE NOT TO OVERRIDE IT BUT IT WOULD HAVE SETUP A FRAMEWORK FOR ALLOWING FULLY AUTONOMOUS VEHICLES ON HIGHWAYS IN KENTUCKY.

WHY DIDN'T IT GET OVER THE FINISH LINE?

>> SO, WE RUN INTO -- IT WAS SHORT SESSION RAN OUT OF TIME.

WE PASSED IT ON THE LAST DAY OF DAY AND DID NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO OVERRIDE THE GOVERNOR'S VETO.

IT WAS A NEW CONCEPT WE HADN'T FILED A BILL LIKE THAT BEFORE.

AND WHEN YOU START TRYING TO TALK ABOUT AUTONOMOUS VEHICLES WITH PEOPLE, THEY LOOK AT YOU LIKE YOU GOT THREE HEADS.

WHO CAN IMAGINE A CAR DRIVING ITSELF?

BUT THE FACT IS THAT THERE ARE 30 SOMETHING STATES THAT PASSED THIS.

MISSISSIPPI BEING THE MOST RECENT.

AND YOU KNOW, THEY ARE SO MUCH SAFER THAN WHAT HUMAN DRIVERS CAN DO.

ONE OF THE BIG CONCERNS IS SAFETY.

AND IT'S JUST THE UNFAMILIARITY WITH IT.

BECAUSE THE IDEA OF A CAR DRIVING ITSELF FROM POINT A TO POINT B WE'RE JUST NOT COMFORTABLE WITH.

BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DATA WE'VE GOT OVER A THOUSAND FATALITIES IN KENTUCKY EVERY YEAR.

YOU CAN EVERY WEEKEND IF YOU WATCH THE NEWS THERE'S BEEN A FATALITY SOMEWHERE.

AND 86, 90% ARE BECAUSE OF HUMAN ERROR OR HUMAN INATTENTION OR NOT FOLLOWING THE LAW.

AND THE TRUTH IS AUTONOMOUS VEHICLES THEY ARE ALWAYS PAYING ATTENTION.

THEY CAN'T BREAK THE LAW.

SO THE SAFETY -- >> Renee: CAN THEY RESPOND TO A EMERGENCY SITUATION WHERE THEY NEED TO PHYSICALLY BRAKE?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

THAT IS PART OF THE FRAMEWORK THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT.

THEY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO GO INTO A CONDITION THAT'S SAFE.

IF THEY COME UPON A WRECK AND THEY CAN'T GET AROUND IT THEY HAVE TO PULL OFF TO THE SIDE OF THE ROAD.

HAZARDS COME ON.

IF YOU GET WEATHER YOU HAVE TO DO THE SAME THING.

AND THEY ARE CONSTANTLY BEING MONITORED NOT LIKE THESE THINGS ARE OUT ON THEIR OWN.

>> Renee: AND THERE CAN BE CAPACITY FOR HUMAN OVERRIDE?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

ABSOLUTELY.

SO IN A SHORT SESSION IT WAS JUST AN IMMENSE TIME CRUNCH WITH SOMETHING SO COMPLICATED.

AND IT'S KIND OF THE SAME ISSUES WITH TALKING ABOUT POLICY FOR AI.

WE HAVE FORMED A WORKING GROUP TO LOOK AT SOME OF THE THINGS WE CAN DO ON TRANSPARENCY ON EMPLOYMENT PRACTICES ON DISCRIMINATION OR BIASES.

THAT IS BEING LOOKED AT.

BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST SUCH A COMPLICATED ISSUE.

AND IN A 30-DAY SESSION OR A 60-DAY SESSION WHEN YOU'VE GOT ALL OF THESE YOU ARE TRYING TO GET A BUDGET OUT AND OTHER PRIORITIES IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO EXPLAIN TO PEOPLE KIND OF WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO WHEN THE AVERAGE PERSON PROBABLY ISN'T KEEPING UP WITH THE TECHNOLOGY AND WHAT IT CAN DO AND WHAT THE OPPORTUNITIES ARE.

ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WAS BROUGHT UP WAS KIND OF ALONG WITH AI IS THE POTENTIAL FOR JOB DISPLACEMENT.

AND WHEN YOU LOOK IN THE TRANSPORTATION SECTOR WE'RE DOWN 80,000 TRUCKERS NATIONWIDE.

AND YOU KNOW YOU LOOK AT WHAT IS GOING ON IN TEXAS RIGHT NOW, THEY'VE GOT AUTOMATED PROGRAMS WHERE THEY ARE DELIVERING FREIGHT.

THEY HAVE BEEN DOING IT FOR ABOUT A YEAR NOW.

NO ISSUES.

WE LOOK AT FARMERS IN WESTERN KENTUCKY.

THEY ARE PLANTING THEIR CROPS HARVESTING THEIR CROPS AND IT'S ALL AUTOMATED.

THEIR TRACTORS AND COMBINES ALL OF THAT IS DONE WITH GPS AND AUTOMATED.

THE TEMPERATURE IS THERE.

IT'S ABSOLUTELY SAFE.

AND WE WILL BE FILE TO GO AGAIN AT THE FIRST PART OF NEXT SESSION.

>> Renee: THERE WAS A CONTINGENT OF DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS THAT VOTED AGAINST IT THAT JOB DISPLACEMENT BEING ONE OF THE CONCERNS DO YOU THINK THE CONVERSATION WILL MOVE AND CHANGE MINDS TO ALIGN WITH THE BILL?

>> I DO.

LISTEN, ABSOLUTELY.

LIKE I SAID, IT'S SO COMPLICATED THE ISSUE AND YOU'VE GOT TO BE COMFORTABLE WITH IT.

DO YOU WANT TO GO BACK HOME TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS AND EXPLAIN SOMETHING HEY WE'RE VOTED TO TURN CARS LOOSE WITHOUT A DRIVER ON THE ROAD.

WE HAVE TO MAKE LEGISLATORS COMFORTABLE WITH IT.

WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE KNOW THAT THESE THINGS ARE SAFE.

THEY ARE GOING ON AROUND US, WEST VIRGINIA, TENNESSEE, NORTH CAROLINA, MISSOURI, MISSISSIPPI ALL OF THE STATES AUTHORIZED THIS.

OHIO AUTHORIZED THE TESTING OF IT.

IT IS A TREMENDOUS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITY FROM KENTUCKY DIVERSE LANDSCAPE.

WE HAVE FLAT LAND IN WESTERN KENTUCKY WHERE THE ROADS ARE STRAIGHT AND WE HAVE MOUNTAIN ROADS IN EASTERN KENTUCKY.

WE'VE GOT CITIES LOUISVILLE, LEXINGTON, NORTHERN KENTUCKY.

AND JUST THINKING ABOUT IN NORTHERN KENTUCKY, THE DISTRIBUTION HUB OUT OF THE NORTHERN KENTUCKY AIRPORT, AMAZON ALL OF THAT, TREMENDOUS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITY.

WE WATCHED THESE HUGE INVESTMENTS COME IN THE OTHER STATES AND KENTUCKY IT'S TIME FOR US TO START LEADING THE WAY ON SOME OF THESE THINGS.

>> Renee: DOES OUR ROAD INFRASTRUCTURE DOES THAT EVEN KEEP PACE WITH AUTONOMOUS VEHICLES I'M THINKING IN THE MORE CHALLENGING TERRAIN IN EASTERN KENTUCKY?

>> IT DOES AND SPEAKING WITH THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT WHEN THEY ARE DESIGNING THE ROADS THEY ARE THAT THEY'VE GOT THIS STUFF IN MIND.

THEIR TURN RADIUSES.

PAINTING AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

IT ABSOLUTELY DOES.

BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK WHAT WAS HARD TO UNDERSTAND IS THERE WAS A FEAR THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN WE LEGALIZE THESE AND TOMORROW YOU WILL SEE DRIVERLESS CARS ACROSS THE STATE AND IT COULDN'T BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH.

THEY HAVE TO COME IN AND TEST THESE THINGS.

THEY HAVE TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE SAFE.

THEY HAVE TO MAP THEM.

THEY HAVE TO INSTALL THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE BECAUSE THERE IS A TREMENDOUS INFRASTRUCTURE THAT GOES IN THERE FOR EVERY COMPANY FOR EVERYONE JOB THAT COULD BE DISPLACED THEY ANTICIPATE 8 MORE JOBS CREATED FOR MAINTAINING THIS.

IT IS A TREMENDOUS OPPORTUNITY THAT KENTUCKY NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF.

>> Renee: AND CREATE THE HIGHLY SKILLED WORKFORCE WE HAVE TO KEEP UP WITH THAT.

REPRESENTATIVE, I WANT YOU TO WEIGH-IN BECAUSE YOU ARE ONE OF THE 40 NO VOTES I BELIEVE ON HOUSE BILL 135 OF THE LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION THAT ENDED MARCH 30TH.

TELL US ABOUT YOUR OPPOSITION?

>> YEAH, AND I AGREE WITH REPRESENTATIVE BRAY IN TERMS OF CONCEPTUALLY THE OPPORTUNITY FOR SOMETHING LIKE AUTONOMOUS VEHICLES.

I THINK IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

I DON'T THINK WE'RE NEAR HAVING THAT TECHNOLOGY YET.

WE DON'T KNOW HOW SAFE IT IS.

WE DON'T KNOW HOW IT REACTS TO EMERGENCIES.

WE DON'T KNOW WHO IS IN CHARGE OF REGULATING THAT.

ARE THESE PRIVATE COMPANIES THAT HAVE FLEETS OF THE VEHICLES IS THERE ANY GOVERNMENT REGULATION AND SAFETY AND OVERSIGHT FOR INDIVIDUALS?

AND THOSE ARE THE CONCERNS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP IN ADDITION TO THE JOB DISPLACEMENT ASPECT OF IT IS THE LIABILITY PIECE WHO ACTUALLY IS GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR SOMEBODY GETTING HURT?

WE DON'T KNOW HOW AI RESPONDS IN A SITUATION WHERE THEY MIGHT BE HAVING TO HIT A PEDESTRIAN OR AVOID HITTING MORE PEDESTRIANS ON THE SIDE.

DO THEY HAVE TO SWERVE?

HOW DO THEY AVOID HOW DO THEY DEAL WITH A RAINY ROAD?

INCLEMENT WEATHER AND THE HILLY CURVEY ROADS IN EASTERN KENTUCKY.

THERE'S JUST A LOT OF UNCERTAINTY SURROUNDING THIS TECHNOLOGY AS THERE IS WITH ANY NEW TECHNOLOGY.

AND ALL OF THIS WAS BROUGHT UP.

AND THERE IS A LOT OF REASONS WHY WE NEED TO NOT NECESSARILY JUST START LOOKING AT IT FROM A LIABILITY PERSPECTIVE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE THIS TECHNOLOGY WITH AI, WE USE THAT ALREADY.

WE HAVE THE ASSIST ACTIVE TECHNOLOGY IN CARS RIGHT NOW.

AND AUTONOMOUS VEHICLES WILL USE A COMBINATION OF SENSORS AND CAMERAS AND RADAR AND SATELLITE AND AI TO MAKE SURE THAT THE VEHICLE ITSELF IS EN ROUTE ON THE SAFEST ROUTE THERE'S NOT OBSTACLES.

BUT WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND HOW IT REACTS TO A SITUATION.

IT'S NOT GOING TO DO IT THE SAME WAY THAT A HUMAN DOES.

AND I ALSO AGREE THAT THERE IS A LOT OF HUMAN ERROR WHEN WE ARE ON THE ROADS TODAY.

I DON'T THINK I NEED TO TELL ANYBODY ABOUT PEOPLE BEING INATTENTIVE DRIVERS NOT PAYING ATTENTION.

BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO STUDY THE ISSUE.

WE NEED TO NOT ONLY STUDY THE ISSUE FROM A JOB DISPLACEMENT STANDPOINT BUT WE NEED TO STUDY THE ISSUE IN TERMS OF WHO OWNS THIS TECHNOLOGY HOW ARE THEY DEPLOYING THIS TECHNOLOGY AND WHERE ARE THEY DOING IT.

BECAUSE I THINK WE NEED TO REALLY UNDERSTAND THE IMPLICATIONS OF THE BROADER PICTURE HERE.

WE CANNOT SIMPLY LOOK AT ONE SMALL PIECE AND SAY THIS LOOKS GREAT AND IT'S GOING TO SAVE SOME MONEY FOR SOMEBODY.

I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE BROADER IMPLICATIONS OF ALL OF THIS TECHNOLOGY AND I THINK THAT'S WHY STATES LIKE NEW YORK AND NEW JERSEY HAVE CREATED TASK FORCES AND PILOT PROGRAMS AND MONITORING PROGRAMS WHERE A HUMAN IS INVOLVED.

BECAUSE UNTIL WE GET TO THAT POINT, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE AS POLICYMAKERS HAVE ENOUGH OF AN UNDERSTANDING OR ENOUGH INFORMATION ENOUGH DATA FOR OURSELVES ON THIS TECHNOLOGY TO UNDERSTAND HOW TO USE IT SAFELY AND HOW TO MAKE SURE THAT WE TRANSITION INTO USING THIS ON A BROAD SCOPE TO THE BEST WAY THAT WE CAN FOR OUR COMMUNITIES.

>> Renee: I WANT TO GO TO THE DOCTOR ABOUT THIS TO ASK YOUR OPINION ABOUT AUTONOMOUS OR SELF-DRIVING VEHICLES AS AN EXAMPLE OF ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE?

>> WE HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO SAVE MANY LIVES.

THEY OBVIOUSLY PAY ATTENTION.

AND THEY DON'T GET DRUNK SO THERE IS A LOT TO BE SAID.

THEY CAN COORDINATE WITH OTHER VEHICLES.

THEY CAN HAVE ENOUGH ON THE ROAD IT WOULD BE A GREAT IMPROVEMENT.

THEY ARE NOT GOOD IN NOVEL SITUATIONS.

THEY ARE GOOD ON A HIGHWAY GOING STRAIGHT KEEPING THE LANE.

IF SOMETHING UNUSUAL HAPPENS A LOT OF TIMES THEY GET LOST AND IT WOULD BE AN ILLUSION THE SUN HITS A SURFACE AT A CERTAIN ANGLE, THEY GET CONFUSED.

YOU STILL NEED HUMANS IN THE LOOP FOR NOW.

LONG-TERM OBVIOUSLY THAT IS GOING TO BE ONE OF A GREAT SUCCESS STORIES FOR AI WHERE WE CAN FULLY AUTOMATE TRANSPORTATION.

EVENTUALLY, WE WILL AUTOMATE MOST JOBS.

SHORT-TERM TERM WE WILL CREATE NOVEL JOBS AND THAT IS WHAT UNIVERSITIES ARE THERE FOR TO FIGURE OUT WHAT MAJORS WILL BE USEFUL IN A COUPLE YEARS AND GUIDING STUDENTS TOWARDS THOSE MAJORS AND AWAY FROM THE DEAD-END OCCUPATIONS WHICH WILL BE AUTOMATED BEFORE THEY GRADUATE.

BUT LONG-TERM, ALL JOBS WILL BE REPLACED.

IF YOU HAVE A SUPER INTELLIGENCE SYSTEM THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN CONTRIBUTE AS I SAID BEFORE.

>> Renee: I DO WANT AS WE I ONLY HAVE A FEW MINUTES LEFT IN OUR PROGRAM EARLIER THIS AFTERNOON I TALKED WITH COLLEGE PROFESSOR Dr. THACKER WHO TEACHES PHILOSOPHY AND ETHICS AND WORLD VIEW AND WRITTEN A BOOK ABOUT AI.

AND HERE IS WHAT HE HAD TO SAY TODAY.

>> PROFESSOR THACKER, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

YOU ARE ALSO AN AUTHOR.

YOUR BOOK THE AGE OF AI IS SOMETHING WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT.

BECAUSE THAT IS OUR TOPIC ON KEN "KENTUCKY TONIGHT" THIS EVENING.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

>> Renee: TALK TO TO US ABOUT HOW THE AI, ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE EXPANSION AND WHAT IT MEANS COULD DISRUPT HUMANITY AS YOU SEE IT?

DO YOU SEE IT AS A DISRUPTION TO HUMANITY AND WHAT ARE YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT IT?

>> YEAH, IT'S INTERESTING WHAT THE CONVERSATION SURROUNDING AI FOR MANY YEARS WE KEEP THIS TECHNOLOGY AT ARM'S LENGTH WE THOUGHT IT WAS SOMETHING ONE DAY WE MIGHT HAVE TO ADDRESS AND THINK THROUGH BUT REALITY IS IT'S ALL OF US HAVE BEEN UTILIZING ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE EVERYDAY FROM COMMUNICATION PLATFORMS TO THINGS WE PURCHASE AND SHOP ON-LINE TO A HOST OF TOOLS AND TECHNOLOGIES.

BUT WITH THE AI WE SAW RELEASED 10 AND 12 MONTHS AGO, POPULARIZED IS RAISING REALLY INTERESTING QUESTIONS THAT IT'S PRESSING AND HELPFUL FOR ALL OF US TO STEP IN ON AND THINK DEEPLY ABOUT THE BIG QUESTION FUNDAMENTAL QUESTIONS THAT AI IS CAUSING US TO ASK.

>> Renee: AND WHAT ARE THOSE QUESTIONS THAT YOU ARE ASKING WHEN IT COMES TO AI?

>> THERE IS A HOST OF ISSUES THE CORE ESPECIALLY WITH JEN ACTIVE AI WE ARE HAVING THE DEEP QUESTIONS WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BE HUMAN.

A LOT OF THE FUNDAMENTAL QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE ASKING NOW ABOUT AI ARE NOT NOVEL OR NEW QUESTIONS AT ALL.

THEY ARE QUESTIONS WE'VE ALWAYS ASKED AS HUMANITY WE ARE ASKING THEM IN LIGHT OF THE NEW OPPORTUNITIES THE NEW CHALLENGES AND OPPORTUNITIES BEFORE US.

SO WITH AI I THINK WE ARE ASKING QUESTIONS WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BE HUMAN.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THROUGH MY WORK AND THE WORK THAT I DO IN THE CLASSROOM AND WRITING AND DIFFERENT THINGS, IS JUST REMINDING FOLKS WHERE HUMAN DIGNITY LIES.

IT ISN'T RELIANT ON THE THING WE DO.

IT ISN'T THAT OUR VALUE OR WORK OR DIGNITY IS BASED ON WHAT WE DO BUT WHO WE ARE.

FROM MY FAITH AS IMAGE BEARERS OF THE ALMIGHTY GOD THAT IS THE CORE OF HUMAN DIGNITY THAT NEEDS TO BE CENTER AND CENTER STAGE ON ANY TYPE OF REGULATION THAT WE CONSIDER, ANY TYPE OF USES WE CONSIDER, TO MAKE SURE WE KEEP WHAT IT MEANS TO BE HUMAN AT THE CENTER OF THESE CONVERSATIONS.

>> Renee: AS YOU MENTIONED, AI HAS BEEN AROUND FOR A LONGTIME AND SOME SHAPE FORM OR FASHION.

PARTICULARLY IN MEDICAL FIELDS FROM IMPLANTS TO OTHER DEVICES THAT HELP WITH MOBILITY.

SO IS NOW A PARTICULAR CONCERNING TIME AS WE SEE THIS BURGEONING TECHNOLOGY REALLY TAKE ROOT AND WE'RE UNDERSTANDING MORE AND MORE OR PERHAPS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND MORE AND MORE EACH DAY, WHY IS IT A THREAT NOW MORE SO THAN PERHAPS IT WOULD HAVE BEEN 10 YEARS AGO?

>> I THINK A LOT OF IT COMES DOWN TO THE ESPECIALLY WITH JEN ACTIVE AI WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BE HUMAN GET THRUST INTO THE CENTER OF THE CONVERSATION.

BECAUSE WE HAVE LONG ASSUMED WHAT IT MEANT TO BE HUMAN WAS BASED ON THE THINGS WE DO IN CREATIVITY OR WRITING OR THINKING AND PROCESSING.

AND NOW WE'RE STARTING TO SEE THESE JEN ACTIVE AI SYSTEMS TO CREATE THINGS AND WRITE TEXT AND MAKE VIDEO AND AUDIO.

AND I THINK THAT'S FUNDAMENTALLY CHALLENGING A LOT OF THE ASSUMPTIONS WHAT WE THOUGHT IT MEANT TO BE HUMAN.

BUT WHEN WE STEP BACK AND REALIZE THESE TOOLS THEY ARE NOT NEUTRAL.

THEY HAVE DEEP VALUES THEY HAVE DESIGNS THEY HAVE PURPOSES.

SO WHEN WE START TO THINK HOW TECHNOLOGY IS FORMING AND SHAPING US, AI PRESENTS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO STEP INTO EXAMINE THE NATURE OF TECHNOLOGY, WHAT IS IT, HOW IS IT FORMING AND SHAPING US AS PEOPLE AND WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT IT.

FROM MY FAITH PERSPECTIVE OF UNDERSTANDING THE CENTRALITY OFRIES CRAN ETHICS IS LOVING OUR GOD AND LOVING OUR NEIGHBOR AS OURSELF AND THAT IS CENTERED ON THE CONCEPT OF HUMAN DIGNITY AND THAT HAS TO BE THE CENTER OF ALL CONVERSATIONS WHETHER WE ARE TALKING ABOUT REGULATION OR THE INDUSTRY OR AS USERS ENGAGING IN THESE TECHNOLOGIES TO BE THOUGHTFUL AND SLOW DOWN AND ASK SOME OF THE FUNDAMENTAL AND AT TIMES VERY DIFFICULT QUESTIONS TO ADDRESS REALLY A LOT OF THE CHALLENGES AND OPPORTUNITIES BEFORE US.

>> Renee: WELL, PROFESSOR THACKER, THE AGE OF AI IS YOUR BOOK.

AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR JOINING US.

ARE A PRO FOISER AT BOYS COLLEGE IN LOUISVILLE AND WE APPRECIATE THESE FEW MINUTES TO GET YOUR PERSPECTIVE ON THIS.

AND WE HOPE TO SPEAK TO YOU AGAIN.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH, RENEE.

>> Renee: AS WE WRAP UP WITH 90 SECONDS REMAINING I GO TO YOU DOCTOR YOU MADE SIMILAR POINTS AS Mr. THACKER ABOUT THE HUMAN ELEMENTS OF THIS AS WELL.

I WILL LET YOU HAVE FINAL THOUGHTS ON THAT.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO ECHO A LITTLE BIT THAT LANGUAGE AND MY CONTEXT THIS IS FOR ME AND FOR LOTS OF US WHO WORK IN EDUCATION A SEARCH FOR INQUIRY INTO WHERE THE DIGNITY OF EDUCATION IS AND THE CONTEXT OF ALL OF THESE NEW DEVELOPMENTS THAT MAY BE AT FACE-VALUE SEEM TO BE A REPUTATION OF WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN THE CLASSROOM.

BUT WE'RE TRYING TO REFRAME IT AS AN INVITATION AS A WAY TO PROCEED WITH INFORMED CAUTION BUT CURIOSITY TO INQUIRE INTO HOW THIS COULD BE LEVERAGED AND HOW WE COULD INNOVATE WHAT WE ARE DOING THAT IS RESPONSIBLE IN A WAY THAT IS PRODUCTIVE AND AGAIN, PRESERVES THIS ENTERPRISE OF EDUCATING THAT WE'RE STILL INVESTED IN AT EYE HUMAN LEVEL.

>> Renee: WELL, WE'LL HAVE TO LEAVE IT THERE.

GENTLEMEN AND REPRESENTATIVE NIMS KULKSRNI WE THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US.

REPRESENTATIVE BRAY THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

WE WILL BE FOLLOWING THIS TOPIC MORE AS WE GO ALONG AND PARTICULARLY AS THE LEGISLATURE TAKES UP THIS ISSUE AND MORE.

NEXT WEEK ON "KENTUCKY TONIGHT" WE'LL TALK ABOUT KENTUCKY'S ENERGY NEEDS AND JOIN US EACH WEEKNIGHT AT 6 EASTERN FOR KENTUCKY EDITION AND BILL BRYANT WILL BE HERE FRIDAY NIGHT TO DISCUSS THE WEEK'S NEWS.

I'M RENEE SHAW.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

GOOD NIGHT.