To observe the quantum nature of gravity and of聽 spaceime itself, we need a particle collider the size of the solar system.

Or we could just physics聽 smarter and build one on a lab bench.

Here's how.

The quantum world is certainly strange.聽 Objects in multiple places and states at once.

Random transitions between states and places.聽 weird instantaneous communication over large distances.

All that good quantum weirdness.聽 But perhaps the strangest thing about quantum mechanics is that its rules seem so different聽 from the classical large scale world.

And yet the latter comes from the former.

But how?

And at聽 what size does that happen?

A related mystery is the connection between gravity and the quantum.聽 Gravity seems more in line with the classical world.

It is crisply defined and very non-random.聽 But gravity is the fabric of spacetime which is knit together on scales far smaller than the聽 quantum.

So at what point does spaceime itself become quantum?

The question of the quantum聽 classical transition and the related quantum gravity connection are notoriously difficult to聽 probe directly due to the challenge of accessing the minuscule quantum world and the minuscular聽 quantum gravity world.

But maybe the answer is not to build tiny experiments or giant colliders,聽 but to make the quantum world big enough to meet gravity and the classical world halfway,聽 perhaps inside a regular laboratory.

The known laws of physics can be pretty clearly broken聽 up into these two realms, those describing the large scale classical world and the tiny quantum聽 world.

Classical physics works great above about a micrometer where objects are made of many many聽 atoms.

Everything larger is as we say macroscopic.

Quantum mechanics rules below the nanometer scale.聽 At single molecules and atoms and smaller but the in between scale, the meos scale feels both of聽 these worlds.

It is, as we say, semiclassical, behaving mostly classically in some ways, but聽 exhibiting quantum effects in certain conditions and when carefully coaxed.

Today, we're going to聽 look at approaches and some example experiments for probing fundamental questions by looking聽 at this intermediate space where both classical and quantum mechanics are at play.

Maybe we don't聽 have to wait for that solar system size particle accelerator to do this cool stuff.

We'll look at聽 two paths.

One is to look for a breakdown in our classical understanding of gravity at the mesos聽 scale.

The second will be to look for true quantum effects in as large a system as possible, but also聽 in the mesos scale.

So, we're going to try to make gravity small and then make quantum big.

If we can聽 get them to meet somewhere in the middle, maybe we can even make gravity quantum.

Let's start with聽 an experiment so elegant and simple that it's been our go-to for measuring the strength of gravity聽 since we well first tried to measure the strength of gravity.

When Newton first wrote down his law聽 of universal gravitation, he reasoned his way to the proportionalities based on a falling apple聽 and the orbit of the moon.

The force of gravity had to be proportional to the product of those聽 masses divided by the square of their separation.

But he had no idea of the value of the constant聽 of proportionality, the gravitational constant.

For that, he would have needed to know the Earth's聽 mass.

But how do you weigh the Earth?

The answer is that you first measure G with known masses and聽 then work your way back to the planet.

But that requires us to measure the minuscule gravitational聽 attraction between masses that we can make and then weigh.

And it wasn't for another century聽 after Newton's law that this became remotely possible.

The guy who did it should have been John聽 Mitchell, the most underrated of the geniuses of physics.

This is the same guy who first conceived聽 of the Newtonian version of the black hole, the dark star.

Mitchell's idea was to measure聽 the minuscule gravitational pull between a pair of metal spheres using a remarkable device, the聽 torsion pendulum.

This cutting device suspends a rod on a thin wire.

Rotating the rod twists the聽 wire leading to a restoring force that pulls it back.

This can produce pendulum-like oscillations.聽 But it can also be used to measure the strength of the force doing the initial displacement.

The聽 restoring force increases with twist.

So more twist means more force.

And the torsion pendulum聽 is almost completely free from friction.

With a thin wire, it can be sensitive to extremely tiny聽 forces.

Perfect for the minuscule gravitational force exerted between non-planet-sized objects.聽 Mitchell actually built his torched pendulum, but he died before he could complete the experiment.聽 His close friend Henry Cavendish inherited the device, refined the design, and saw the experiment聽 through.

It looked something like this.

Two lead balls of around a kilo uh were fixed to the arms聽 of the pendulum while a pair of 160 kg balls were fixed near these two with the intention of them聽 gravitationally attracting the smaller balls.

The amount of twist in the pendulum would measure that聽 force and because all the masses and distances were known, the gravitational constant should聽 fall out as the last unknown in the equation.

The experimental design and the care taken聽 were extraordinary.

So much so that in 1798, Cavendish measured the gravitational constant to聽 within 1% of the best modern value.

Fun side fact, Caendish described his experiment as weighing聽 the Earth because with G in hand, we could now calculate the Earth's actual mass just from the聽 gravitational acceleration at the surface.

In the 225 plus years since Cavendish's measurement,聽 this experiment has been greatly refined, but we've improved on that first measurement only聽 by about one more decimal place because Cavendish and Mitchell did such a good job.

However, we're聽 also now able to do this experiment with much smaller masses, perhaps even small enough聽 to see if the rules change as we approach the quantum realm.

And there are some reasons聽 to think they might.

In a previous episode, we talked about how gravity might deviate from聽 the Newtonian inverse square law at very short distances if there are extra coiled up dimensions聽 on those scales.

Essentially, gravity leaks into those dimensions very close to the source,聽 causing it to weaken faster.

But at longer ranges, it settles into the regular inverse square fading.聽 But there are other reasons to think that gravity might behave this way.

In string theory, there are聽 ways for gravity to behave like the quantum forces whose coupling strength changes with distance due聽 to self-shielding.

There's also the hypothetical chameleon field, which is a dark energy candidate聽 that has a distance dependent variable mass that could do something similar.

And give a theorist聽 enough chalk and a sbatical, I'm sure that they'll come up with several more options.

But how to聽 test?

The problem is performing a Cavendish type experiment with quantum or even meoscopic masses聽 brings with it a new slew of noise and possible interfering effects that not even Cavendish's聽 dedication to precision could overcome.

For starters, we know the gravitational force聽 is absurdly weak between two small masses when compared to the other forces of nature.

For聽 example, the gravitational attraction between two electrons is about 42 orders of magnitude聽 weaker than the repulsive electromagnetic force pushing them apart, making it essentially聽 impossible to measure gravity.

In that case, we can use neutral masses, but even those tend聽 to have internal electric charge distributions that can lead to dipole interactions when objects聽 are close by.

And when surfaces get very close, the Casmir force and the Vanderwal's force come聽 into play, typically with much greater strength than gravity.

Even if we could compensate or聽 outright avoid these effects, there are many other potential sources of noise.

natural vibrations聽 in the experimental setup, seismic noise, and even gravitational noise from nearby massive聽 objects.

A recent example of a successful teensy tiny Cavendish experiment came from a group of聽 physicists in Vienna.

They built a Cavendish setup with tiny gold spheres a thousand times lighter聽 than the original lead source mass at under 100 mg.

These 2 mm gold beads kept a pendulum聽 rod suspended on a wispy silica thread.

This experiment was all about minimizing external noise聽 and interference.

As with typical modern Cavendish experiments, this one was conducted in a high聽 vacuum and the masses were carefully discharged here using ionized nitrogen.

A conductive聽 Faraday shield between test and source ensured no electromagnetic interactions between the balls.聽 The tiny gravitational field they were trying to measure between the balls which were separated聽 by about 2 and 12 mm was no stronger than that of a grad student standing 2 and 1/2 m away or a聽 vianese tram rumbling by on the street outside.

To help quieten the gravitational noise, the聽 experiments were done mostly between midnight and 5:00 a.m.

during the quiet Christmas season.

And I聽 guess grad students were positioned strategically and asked to remain motionless on top of聽 asking them to stay up all night and to miss the holiday.

Even with these precautions, more聽 cleverness was needed to make the measurement.

Now Henry Cavendish directly measured his聽 displacement of the torsion pendulum arms by seeing how far they moved.

But in this and聽 other modern Cavendish experiments, researchers have a way to massively amplify that signal.

They聽 oscillate the position of the source mass.

So the test mass experiences a varying gravitational聽 field.

The pendulum also oscillates and the varying gravitational field will very slightly聽 perturb that oscillation.

This allows a direct measurement of the gravitational acceleration聽 caused by the source mass.

The benefit of this method is that the researchers can watch for long聽 periods of time as the tiny pertabbations build up.

By integrating the signal for say half a day,聽 they can detect a gravitational acceleration of 10 the power of minus 10 meters per second squared.

That's a 100 billion times smaller than what we feel at Earth's surface.

The gravitational constant measured in聽 this experiment turned out to be consistent with the known gravitational constant as measured聽 by Cavendish and later experiments.

There was a difference of around 9% but that's within聽 the experimental uncertainty of this setup.

So, the laws of gravity may not be too different聽 for these sub hundred milligram masses, but since the gold balls used here are more comparable to a聽 baseball in size than to an atom, that may not be too surprising.

It's impossible to know exactly聽 how small we need to go to see if the strength of gravity changes, if it even does.

But this聽 team feels that it should at least be possible to get down to the plank mass nearly 10,000 times聽 smaller than the current experiment with several significant but plausible refinements of the聽 methods.

If we wanted to get these experiments down to truly quantum scales, then we need to go聽 down another 9 to 12 orders of magnitude.

That may not be possible with the Casemir setup, but聽 other approaches like levitating nano particles or cryogenic suspension may make it possible.

So,聽 we've been talking about measuring gravity down to the near quantum scale.

The other way we can go is聽 try to observe quantum effects on as large a scale as possible.

One of the most defining of quantum聽 phenomena is quantum entanglement in which a pair of quantum objects can become correlated with each聽 other in a way that defies classical explanation.

We typically think of entanglement as existing聽 between truly quantum scale entities.

For example, a pair of electrons may have entangled spins.

Each聽 spin direction undefined when taken separately, but those entangled spins are defined聽 relative to each other.

For example, as having opposite directions, entanglement聽 should exist between large systems.

But the larger the system, the harder it is to observe.聽 The correlations between individual particles can be smeared out and lost to the surrounding聽 environment in a process called decoherence.

Decoherence plays a huge role, perhaps the聽 entire role in making the quantum classical.

And we could understand that process a lot better聽 if we could somehow observe entanglement in a macroscopic property of a macroscopic system.

One聽 of the most promising approaches is in the field of optochanics.

Imagine a laser light bouncing聽 between two mirrors.

We call this an optochanical cavity.

The mirrors in this case are suspended聽 so they can oscillate forward and back.

A photon from the laser hitting the mirrors will transfer聽 momentum that depends on the photon frequency.

That sets up an oscillation in the mirrors聽 which in turn changes the size of the cavity which in turn changes the frequency of the modes聽 of light in the cavity.

This leads to a feedback cycle in which the oscillation of the mirrors is聽 correlated with the frequency of the photons.

And done carefully enough, this correlation can be a聽 true quantum entanglement.

This has been achieved with very very tiny mirrors.

The first was in聽 2010 with an entanglement demonstrated between a light field and just a single membrane of silica聽 nitride as the mirror.

But in 2011, a pair of mirrors was put into entanglement, not just with聽 the bouncing photons, but also with each other.

That means two macroscopic systems in a state聽 of entanglement with each other.

So here we are really blurring the line between the quantum and聽 the classical.

But these mirrors were still tiny, really messcopic.

It would be nice if we聽 could achieve the same result for something truly macroscopic.

Of course, it would be聽 incredibly expensive to build a much larger optochanical cavity with all the precision聽 engineering, the noise mitigation tech, etc.

to even attempt a macroscopic optochanical聽 entanglement measurement.

Good thing we already built one.

The laser interroter gravitational聽 wave observatory, LIGO, was designed to detect space-time ripples, but in principle could be聽 used to detect correlations in the oscillations of the mirrors that point to true entanglement聽 between these genuinely macroscopic objects.

Many of the challenges for doing this with LIGO have聽 already been solved.

In order to detect actual gravitational waves, incredible work was done聽 to minimize random noise, to flag and remove seismic vibrations, and even remove spirious聽 gravitational signals.

The major outstanding challenge is dealing with a special type of聽 noise that can confuse the entanglement signal.

This is non-marovian noise which unlike regular聽 noise develops correlations over time sort of like a memory that can be confused for the entanglement聽 source correlations.

Motivated by the goal of teasing out any signs of entanglement in LIGO, in聽 2024, a group of researchers went back through the LIGO's data, now equipped with new and improved聽 models to account for the non-makovia noise, and they haven't found anything yet.

But with聽 better noise modeling and more integration time, we may spot the quantum whisper of entanglement聽 between LIGO's 40 kg mirrors which span its 4 km arms.

Detecting entanglement between classical聽 or semic-class objects can help us understand the boundary between the quantum and the classical.聽 The Cavendish experiment we started with was about exploring the quantum nature of gravity.

Now the聽 holy grail would be to bring these goals together to detect entanglement between systems in which聽 the entanglement is actually mediated by gravity.

If gravity can do this, it means that gravity聽 itself must have quantum properties.

Now we did look at one approach a while back with a stern-gerlach type experiment in which nano diamonds in a super position of positions nudge at each other聽 gravitationally and so become quantum entangled.

But there are other proposals that don't require聽 the super position of positions.

For example, putting test masses in a superp position of spin聽 states whose energy difference then leads to a difference in the gravitational fields that they聽 generate.

or even a real Cavendish-like experiment in which a pair of oscillating pendula develop聽 non-class correlations over long periods of time that can only have arisen from a gravitationally聽 mediated quantum connection.

All of these ideas are still in early phases from thought experiment聽 to active planning.

The technological hurdles are major but the crazy thing is that the hurdles are聽 just technological and there are clear paths to solving them.

This is what's so cool.

We will soon聽 have a lab bench experiment that can start to map the quantum classical divide and even observe the聽 quantum behavior of gravity.

Physics is cool.

Just a couple hundred years from lead balls suspended聽 from wires to the quantum nature of spacetime.