>>> MAJOR FUNDING FOR "REPORTER'S ROUND TABLE WITH DAVID CRUZ" IS PRESENTED BY -- >>> HELLO, EVERYBODY.

WELCOME TO "REPORTERS ROUND TABLE."

I'M DAVID CRUZ.

IN THE FINAL DAYS OF THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION ARE MOVING TO BE AS MANY EXPECTED AND FEARED.

CHAOS AND TURMOIL SEEN MOST DRAMATICALLY THIS WEEK BY THE MOB THAT CRASHED THE CAPITOL BUILDING AND THE FLOOR OF THE HOUSE AND REPRESENT SIFS.

CALLS NOW FOR THE VICE PRESIDENT TO BE IMPEACHED AND FOR THE VICE PRESIDENT AND CABINET TO INVOKE THE 25th AMENDMENT.

SENATOR, WELCOME TO THE SHOW.

>> GREAT TO BE HERE, DAVID.

>> SO WHAT WAS YOUR IMPRESSION AFTER THE EVENTS IN THE CAPITOL THIS WEEK?

HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE THEM?

>> WELL, IT WAS VERY UNFORTUNATE BECAUSE THE GOAL OF JANUARY 6th WAS TO HAVE OBJECTIONS MADE IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES IN THE SENATE, AND 75 MILLION PEOPLE VOTED FOR DONALD TRUMP, AND UP TO 85% FEEL THERE WERE ELECTION INTEGRITY ISSUES, AND DONALD TRUMP SUPPORTERS WANTED THOSE TO BE ADDRESSED.

IT SEEMED LIKE WE COULDN'T GET OUR DAY IN COURT.

THE SUPREME COURT FROM TEXAS DISMISSED ON A TECHNICALITY.

>> I HAVE TO STOP YOU THERE.

>> I WANT TO FINISH MY THOUGHT.

>> YOU CAN'T SAY NO COURT HEARD THE ARGUMENTS.

THERE WERE AT LEAST 60 CASES ON THE QUESTION OF ELECTIONS.

I HAVE TO MOVE YOU ON.

WE ONLY HAVE ABOUT SIX MINUTES HERE.

LET'S PUT THOSE ASIDE.

WHETHER YOU AGREE WITH THE RESULTS OF THE ELECTION AND A FAIR HEARING.

I'M TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED THIS WEEK IN THE NATION'S CAPITOL.

>> THERE WERE OBJECTORS, SENATORS AND MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, TO POINT OUT ELECTION IRREGULARITIES.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE VIOLENCE THAT OCCURRED.

NOBODY SUPPORT THERE.

IT'S BEEN CONDEMNED BY DONALD TRUMP SUPPORTERS.

IT'S BEEN CONDEMNED BY DONALD TRUMP HIMSELF.

IT'S NO SUPPORT.

IT'S ROUNDLY CONDEMNED.

>> WELL, BUT I GOT TO SAY, SENATOR, THAT THE PRESIDENT ENCOURAGED THESE FOLKS TO MARCH ON THE CAPITOL, TOLD THEM, I LOVE YOU AND YOU'RE VERY SPECIAL.

SO I MEAN, AT LEAST IN THE VERY BEGINNING THERE, AND THROUGHOUT THE DAY WHEN THAT VIOLENCE WAS OCCURRING, IT WAS SUPPORT FROM THE PRESIDENT FOR THAT.

>> WELL, IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE SPEECH THE PRESIDENT GAVE ON JANUARY 6@1:00 P.M. EASTERN TIME, THE PRESIDENT DID ENCOURAGE THE PEOPLE TO HAVE THEIR VOICES HEARD AT THE CAPITOL.

HE ASKED THEM TO DO IT PEACEFULLY.

IT'S UNFORTUNATE THERE WERE BAD ACTORS IN THE CROWD AND I THINK THOSE INDIVIDUALS SHOULD AND FULLY PROSECUTED.

IS SOME EVIDENCE IT WAS MORE THAN TRUMP SUPPORTERS THAT STORMED THE CAPITOL.

AND LET THE INVESTIGATIONS PROCEED AND LET THESE INDIVIDUALS BE PROSECUTED.

LET'S FIND OUT WHO THEY HAVE WHERE THEY CAME FROM, AND SHAY SHOULD BE FULLY PROSECUTED.

THE IDEA THAT YOU CAN ATTACK LAW ENFORCEMENT?

EVERYBODY KNOWS IT'S AN AUTOMATIC FELONY.

IT'S INSANE.

AND THE TRUMP SUPPORTERS I KNOW, AND RUBBED ELBOWS WITH FOR FOUR PLUS YEARS, THEY DON'T DO THAT KIND OF STUFF.

SO I GUESS THERE MAY BE ROGUE TRUMP SUPPORTERS THERE.

BUT I WOULD LIKE TO FIND OUT ALL THE PEOPLE THERE.

BECAUSE THERE WAS CRAZY STUFF GOING ON THERE, AND I CONDEMN IT.

>> WHAT DO YOU THINK NOW OF THE IDEA OF IMPEACHMENT OF THE INVOCATION OF THE 25th AMENDMENT.

>> WELL, PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS LESS THAN TWO WEEKS TO GO.

IT'S MY SUNSING THE VICE PRESIDENT WOULD HAVE TO SUPPORT SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

PRESIDENT TRUMP MADE STATEMENTS ABOUT THE TRANSITION OF POWER.

HE'S GOING.

HE ACKNOWLEDGED HE'S GOING.

I THINK AT THIS POINT, I THINK WITH TWO WEEKS TO GO, IT WOULD CAUSE A LOT OF UNNECESSARY HAVOC HAVE CHAOS TO MAKE THE CHANCE AT THIS POINT.

HE IS OBVIOUSLY -- WAVED THE WHITE FLAG SO TO SPEAK.

HE IS MOVING OUT ON THE 20th, IF NOT BEFORE.

SO IT'S REALLY UNNECESSARY AT THIS POINT.

>> WHAT DO YOU THINK THE LASTING IMPACT IS OF WHAT YOU SAW THIS WEEK?

IS IT GOING TO AFFECT HOW WE GO FORWARD UNDER A DIFFERENT ADMINISTRATION?

>> WELL, I THINK THE LASTING IMPACT OF PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS THAT HE DID DEEP SOME OF HIS PROMISES.

HE TALK ABOUT THE UNNECESSARY FOREIGN WARS, CRAZY WARS IN IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN, SYRIA, LIBYA, DESTROYS COUNTRIES, BASED ON LIES.

SO PRESIDENT TRUMP TOOK ON THE WASHINGTON ESTABLISHMENT, THE INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX.

THE INSIDERS IN D.C. THAT TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE IN MANY RESPECTS SO I THINK ONE OF HIS GREATEST LEGACIES IS HE DIDN'T START ANY WARS.

HE ACTUALLY STOOD UP FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AGAINST A WASHINGTON ESTABLISHMENT.

HE HAD A TARGET ON HIS BACK.

BECAUSE HE REALIZED HALF OF AMERICANS MAKE LESS THAN $30,000 A YEAR.

THAT WE NEED HAVE SOME CONTROL OF OUR BOARRDERS AND WE DON'T ND TO SUPPORT FOREIGN WARS.

TO ME, THE REASON I SUPPORTED HIM IS FOREIGN POLICY VIEWS SO WE CAN BE PROUD HE DIDN'T START ANY STUPID FOREIGN WARS WHERE MEN AND WOMEN GET LIMBS BLOWN OFF FOR NOTHING.

IT'S UPSETTING THAT PEOPLE GET UPSET ABOUT HIS ANGRY TWEETS, AND GEORGE BUSH LIED US INTO A WAR IN IRAQ, AND WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION.

WHEN HILLARY CLINTON -- >> YOU HAVE GONE OFF -- >> SO DONALD TRUMP STROOD UP TO THAT, AND THAT IS WHY THE ESTABLISHMENT NEVER ACCEPTED HIM.

HE WASN'T GOING TO SEND MEN AND WOMAN TO FIGHT STUPID WARS SO I COMMEND PRESIDENT TRUMP FOR KEEPING THAT PROMISE.

>> GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU, DAVID.

>> ALL RIGHT, LET I'S BRING IN R PANEL, BRENDA FLANAGAN, SENIOR CORRESPONDENT FOR NJ SPOTLIGHT NEWS.

MATT FREEMAN, AUTHOR OF NEW JERSEY PLAYBOOK, AND MATT KATZ WHO IS A REPORTER FOR WNYC.

GREAT TO SEE YOU.

LET'S START WITH THE RIOT AT THE CAPITOL THIS WEEK.

BRENDA, YOU AND I WERE LIVE TEXTING WITH ONE ANOTHER.

HERE WE ARE WITH A FEW DAYS DISTANCE FROM THE EVENT.

YOU COVERED SOME OF THE AFTER YAAF AFTERMATH.

WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS?

>> IT'S INTERESTING TO HEAR THE SENATOR TALK ABOUT THE PEOPLE AND THE VIOLENCE AS IF THEY ARE SEPARATE FROM THE CAUSE.

AND I THINK WHAT WE SAW, A CULT LEADER, IF I CAN DESCRIBE THE PRESIDENT THAT WAY, WHO WAS UPSET ABOUT HAVING LOST THE ELECTION, WITH HIS DEVOTED FOLLOWERS INTO A FRENZY AND SENT THEM OFF TO THE CAPITOL.

BASICALLY, USING THEM AS A BLUNT INSTRUMENT SO HE COULDN'T BE CALLED A LOSER.

THAT WAS MY TAKE AWAY FROM IT.

IN 2ETERMS OF US TWEETING AS TH WERE APPROACHING THE CAPITOL, WE WERE TEXTING EACH OTHER.

I THOUGHT, THEY ARE NEVER GOING TO GET, AND I REMEMBER TEXTING YOU, I'M WRONG.

THEY'RE INSIDE, AND I WAS ACTUALLY SHOCKED.

FIVE PEOPLE ARE DEAD IN THE AFTERMATH OF THIS.

I WAS TALKING TO DONNIE WATSON-COLEMAN, CONGRESS WOMAN, AND SHE SAID IF THE PEOPLE WHO HAD GONE INTO THE CAPITOL WERE PEOPLE OF COLOR, WOULD THE RESPONSE HAVE BEEN THE SAME?

WHICH IS A VALID QUESTION.

THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE GOING THROUGH MY MIND NOW TWO, THREE DAYS AFTER THIS EVENT.

>> MATT FRIEDMAN, YOUR THOUGHTS ON WHAT YOU SAW TRANSSPIRE AND WHAT YOU THINK THE NEXT TWO WEEKS HAVE?

>> FIRST OF ALL, TRUMP DID INSPIRE IT.

LET'S NOT PRETEND WHAT WE SAW AND HEARD DIDN'T HAPPEN.

FACT, NUMBER ONE.

SENATOR DOUGHERTY SAID THERE WERE MORE THAN TRUMP SUPPORTERS.

I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT.

THERE WERE E VANTS PLANNED OUT.

PEOPLE CAME WITH ZIP TIES.

THERE WERE THEORIES ON CONSPIRACY THEORY WEBSITES PEOPLE PLANNED TO DO THIS THING.

THERE WERE THEORIES, THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF INCITED THERE.

AND MO BROOKS, SACRIFICING BLOOD.

ARE YOU WLG TO DO THIS?

THIS RHETORIC CAUSES THIS.

FOR YEAR WE HAD NEOFASCIST GROUPS GOING OUT, LIKE THE PROUD BOYS, ENCOURAGED BY THE PRESIDENT AND ENCOURAGED BY THE RIGHT WING.

THERE IS NO EQUIVALENT HERE BECAUSE THERE IS NO MAIN STREAM DEMOCRAT OUT THERE THAT IS ENCOURAGING THE VIOLENCE WE SAW THAT IS WITH THE LEFT OVER THE SUMMER, REGARDING THE RIOTS SPARKED BY THE KILLING OF GEORGE FLOYD.

OF COURSE THERE IS VIOLENCE ON THE LEFT.

YOU DON'T HAVE A MAIN STREAM POLITICIAN.

YOU DON'T HAVE THE LEADER OF THE PARTY INCITING.

THAT IS A BIG, BIG DIFFERENCE, AND I ALSO WANT TO JUST NOTE THAT AS FAR AS THE FOREIGN WARS, SENATOR DOUGHERTY HAS BEEN CONSISTENT AS LONG AS I HAVE KNOWN HIM AS OPPOSING WARS LIKE IRAQ.

HE HAS A MILITARY BACKGROUND HIMSELF.

I'M NOT GOING TO ACCUSE HIM OF INCONSISTENCY HERE.

BUT I WANT TO POINT SOMETHING OUT.

A BIG ISSUE FOR THEM.

IF YOU LOOK BACK AT 2003, ABOUT WHO THE MOST VOCAL OPPONENTS OF THE IRAQ WARS WITH, IT WAS OVERWHELMI OVERWHELMINGLY ON THE LEFT.

AND I POINTED THIS OUT BEFORE BUT I USE A NEW JERSEY EXAMPLE, PAUL, A CONSERVATIVE COLUMNIST.

AND HIS COLUMNS NOW HAVE DONE THIS WEIRD JUJITSU WHERE THEY LAY THE BLAME FOR THE WAR ON LIBERALS BECAUSE MEMBERS -- CENTRIST DEMOCRATS LIKE HQ HEALTH CARE AND JOE BIDEN LAID SUPPORT FOR THE WAR.

BUT I LOOKED AT WHAT HE WROELT IN 2003 AND HOW HE WENT AFTER THE ANTI-WAR LEFT AND THE POLITICIANS WHO URGED AMERICA NOT TO GO TO IRAQ.

SO I THINK WE HAVE TO CORRECT THE RECORD HERE IN TERMS OF THE POLITICAL JUJITSU THAT IS SOMEHOW REWRITING WHAT WE WITNESSED, AND LIVED THROUGH.

TO PAINT THE IRAQ WAR AS A LIBERAL VENTURE, WHEN THE OPPOSITION ON THE RIGHT WAS PRETTY MUTED AT THE TIME.

>> MATT KATZ, WITH SO MANY CABINET MEMBERS RESIGNING, THEY MAY NOT HAVE ANY LEFT TO INVOKE THE 25th AMENDMENT.

TWO WEEKS IS A LONG TIME.

HAVE YOU TRIED TO WRAP YOUR HEAD AROUND IT YET?

>> I'M PETRIFIED.

I'M SCARED ABOUT WHAT THE NEXT 12, 13 DAYS WILL BRING.

SCARED OF HOW I'M SUPPOSED TO EXPLAIN THIS TO MY KIDS WHO ARE 9 AND 5.

WATCHING TELEVISION WITH THEM TWO DAYS AGO WAS EXTREMELY DIFFICULT.

THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF COMPLICATED THINGS TO EXPLAIN IN THE TRUMP ERA TO SMALL CHILDREN BUT WHAT HAPPENED THIS WEEK IS BEYOND THE PAL.

AND WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE THERE FROM OUR AREA, AT THE RALLY, AT LEAST THAT PROCEEDED THE INSURRECTION ATTEMPT, AND THEY'RE NOT GOING ANY WHERE.

MAGA IS HERE TO STAY.

WHETHER TRUMP IS -- GOES QUIETLY OR NOT.

I DON'T KNOW HOW TO PREDICT THIS.

I JUST KNOW THAT WE ARE NOT ANY CLOSER TOGETHER DESPITE SOME RHETORIC FROM REPUBLICANS THEY ARE DENOUNCING THE ELEMENT.

WE ARE NOT ANY MORE TOGETHER AS A COUNTRY, AND PERHAPS WE ARE EVEN FURTHER APART BECAUSE I DABBLE IN THE RIGHT WING MEDIA ENVIRONMENT, AND THE IDEA THAT YOU HEARD A LITTLE ECHOED BY THE SENATOR THERE THAT THE LEFT WAS INVOLVED HAS TAKEN HOLD.

AND THERE IS THIS TRUTH, THIS FALSEHOOD BEING ARGUED THAT ANTIFA CAUSED THE VIOLENCE IN THE CAPITOL, AND THAT IS GOING TO BE WHAT BECOMES TRUTH IN CONSERVATIVE AMERICA.

IT'S STARTING IN THE FRINGES AND IT'S ECHOED BY ELECTED REPUBLICANS.

HE DABBLED IT IN IT NOW, AND IT WILL BE WHAT PEOPLE BELIEVE.

>> THAT IS THE FRUSTRATING THING.

I'M SORRY.

I THOUGHT YOU WERE DONE.

THE FRUSTRATING THING, WE ALL JUST WATCHED THE PEOPLE IN MAGA HATS, AND ON THEIR OWN SOCIAL MEDIA FEEDS AND YOU CAN LOOK AT THEIR OWN HISTORY OF RIGHT WING ACTIVISM, AND WE JUST WATCHED THEM STORM THE CAPITOL.

IT'S ON VIDEO!

AND WE HAVE A POLITICIAN HERE MAKING CLAIMS, AT LEAST DABBLING IN THE CLAIM, AND GIVING CREDENCE THAT THE PROTESTERS WEREN'T EXACTLY WHAT WE SAUS JUST SAW.

SENATOR HAWLEY USED THE WORD ORWELLION, AND THAT IS WHAT YOU SAW.

LOOK AT THE SCREEN NOW.

DOES IT LOOK LIKE A LEFT WING MOB.

>> THE PRESIDENT GOT 280,000 MORE VOTES IN THE STATE IN 2020.

SHOULDN'T THAT BODE WELL FOR THE REPUBLICANS AS THEY GEAR UP FOR THE 2021 GOVERNOR RACE?

>> AT THIS POINT, IT'S HARD TO SAY.

IT LOOKS TO ME THERE IS A CRACK.

THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME KIND OF A DIVIDE OVER THIS ISSUE IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

I KNOW THAT THE MINORITY LEADER BRAMNICK TALKED AND THIS.

HE HAD DECLINED TO RUN FOR GOVERNOR BECAUSE HE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PERSUADE THE MAGA RACE.

BUT THIS MIGHT GIVE HIM A NEW ENTRY INTO A RACE, POSSIBLY.

IT DEPENDS WHERE THE PARTY GOES.

THIS S THIS THE WAKE-UP MOMENT?

IS THIS GOING TO CREATE A COME TOLL JESUS MOMENT FOR SOME OF THE REPUBLICANS WHO ARE GOING TO SAY, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GOING TO GO DOWN THIS PATH.

THE PARTY IS AT A WATER SHED MOMENT RIGHT NOW.

>> THEY ARE ALREADY TOSSING HAYMAKERS AND 2021 JUST STARTED.

WILL REPUBLICANS HAVE A STOMACH FOR THE TRUMP ERA OR WILL WE SEE IT UNFOLD FOR THE NEXT YEAR?

>> I MEAN, THIS IS A BIG PROBLEM FOR THEM.

I THOUGHT AFTER TRUMP WAS GONE -- MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE COUNTED ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPENS.

AND GEORGE BUSH WAS POPULAR IN NEW JERSEY BUS ONCE HELP WAS OUT OF OFFICE, 2009, HE WAS NOT AN ISSUE AND REPUBLICANS WON THE GOVERNORSHIP.

NEW JERSEY IS OVER AND OVER PROVED IT WILL VOTE FOR REPUBLICAN.

AND THE TRUMP AREA IS DIFFERENT.

AND YEAH, MORE -- TRUMP GOT MORE VOTES THIS TIME THAN HE DID LAST TIME, AND WE HAVE SEEN HERE AND IN PLACES LIKE GEORGIA, WHEN TRUMP IS NOT ON THE BALLOT, A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T COME OUT FOR HIM.

THEY JUST LOST TWO SENATE SEATS IN GEORGIA.

TRUMP HAS BEEN A DISASTER FOR THE NEW JERSEY -- >> WHO DO YOU THINK IS FAVORED RIGHT NOW BY THE EVENTS OF THE PAST WEEK?

IS THIS SOMETHING THAT FAVORS STEINHART OR CHITTERELLI.

STEINHART, HE IS FOR GOV NON, AND CHITTERELLI, HE IS JOHNNY COME LATELY -- FOR THE PRESIDENT I MEANT.

>> I THINK THERE IS A CLEAR CAM CUE LAGS, TYING YOURSELF TO TRUMP AS CLOSELY AS POSSIBLE, HE IS PROBABLY RIGHT.

I DON'T SEE WHAT HIS STRATEGY IS AFTER THE PRIMARY.

IT'S OBVIOUS WHAT HUSBAND PRIMARY STRATEGY IS.

HOW DO YOU RECOVER FROM THAT?

I DON'T KNOW.

I GUESS HIS CALCULATION IS THAT PEOPLE WON'T CARE ABOUT TRUMP.

BUT THE LAST WEEK MADE IT IMPOSSIBLE NOT TO.

>> CHRIS CHRISTIE WAS OUT THERE THIS WEEK WITH STRONG WORDS GE AGAINST THE PRESIDENT.

YOU HAVE TO SAY, THE GUY'S GOOD, CLOSE ENOUGH TO TRUMP OVER THE PAST FOUR YEARS TO BE CONSIDERED A RELIABLE PUNDIT BUT OUTSIDE ENOUGH TO NOT BE STAINED BY TRUMP'S EXCESSES.

I CAN'T IMAGINE HE IS NOT GEARING UP FOR A 2024 RUN, RIGHT?

>> CLEARLY.

ALL OF A SUDDEN NOW, THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME THAT THE PRESIDENT MADE A HATEFUL SPEECH THAT INCITED VIOLENCE.

I MEAN, HE HAS DISPARAGED HIS POLITICAL OPPONENTS, LATINOS AND FOR THE FIRST TIME -- CHRISTIE IN THE PAST -- HE THREADS THIS LINE HE IS SURROUNDED BY PEOPLE WHO GIVE HIM POOR ADVICE.

FOR THE FIRST TIME THIS WEEK, HE SAID TRUMP BETRAYED THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

HE TRASHED HIM ON FOX RADIO.

HE SAID THE PRESIDENT HAS NEVER BEEN ABLE TO ACCEPT LOSING IN ANY PART OF HIS LIFE.

THE BANKRUPTCY WERE NOT HIS FAULT.

AND IT WAS A BROAD ASSAUL OVER THE LAST COUPLE DAYS AND OVER HIS CAREER AND HIS LIFE AND THE REASON ISN'T JUST BECAUSE CHRISTIE IS ENVISIONING A PATH IN NEW HAMPSHIRE, IN THE PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY IN NEW HAMPSHIRE IN 2024 BUT BECAUSE -- YOU MAY HEAR MY DAUGHTER YELLING IN THE BACK GROUND.

THAT IS NOT POLITICS, TRUST ME.

BUT HE HAS NOTHING TO GAIN ANYMORE.

THE FORMER GOVERNOR HAS GAINED IN THE TRUMP AREA.

HE HAD A CONSULTANCY DEAL WITH PUERTO RICO.

HE REPRESENTED A FOREIGN BUSINESSMAN WHO WAS IN TROUBLE WITH THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT.

AND CHRISTIE HAD ACCESS TO THE TRUMP JUSTICE DEPARTMENT.

HE HAD A -- HE HAS A PAID GIG ON ABC NEWS BECAUSE HE WAS CONSIDERED A TRUMP ALLY.

THAT DOESN'T MATTER ANYMORE.

THE GOVERNOR, THE FORMER GOVERNOR, CAN GO AHEAD AND LOOK TO 2024 AND MAKE A CALCULATE THAT HE'S GOING TO TO MAKE GET THIS WLLESS THAN FULLY MAGA REPUBLICAN CROWD THAT WILL NOT HAVE THE FRESH POLITICS.

I DON'T SEE THE PATH.

BUT THE FORMER GOVERNOR HAS SAID HE IS INTERESTED IN RUNNING IN 2024.

SO THAT IS WHAT YOU'RE HEARING AND SEEING.

>> MATT, YOU HAVE TO WRITE THAT -- THAT IS A NEW PERSPECTIVE ON THIS I HAVEN'T HEARD YET AND IT'S A VERY GOOD ONE.

CONGRATULATIONS.

THAT IS GOOD INSIGHT RIGHT THERE.

>> THANK YOU.

>> BECAUSE LET'S NOT FORGET THAT THE -- I THINK MATT'S ANGLE ABOUT THE FINANCEABLE INCENTIVES, THEY ARE GONE TO STICK WITH TRUMP, I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT YESTERDAY.

GOVERNOR CHRISTIE WAS THE FIRST GOVERNOR IN THE COUNTRY TO ENDORSE TRUMP.

THIS IS AFTER TRUMP HAD CALLED FOR THE UNCONSTITUTIONAL IDEA OF BANS MUSLIMS FROM ENTERING THE COUNTRY.

AND ANY POLITICIAN IN THE U.S., AT LEAST THE LAST DECADE -- THE LAST SEVERAL DECADES OF RELATIVE STABILITY, THAT WOULD VN HAVE BEEN A POISON, HOW CAN YOU CALL FOR BANNING A RELIGION?

PEOPLE HAVE A CREED FOR SBENTERG THE COUNTRY?

AND CHRISTIE STILL ENDORSED HIM AFTER THAT, IF YOU WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THE MOTIVATIONS, YOU CAN LOOK AT THAT, AFTER CHARLOTTESVILLE, AFTER EVERYTHING TRUMP HAS SAID, NOW HE BREAKS WITH HIM.

I UNDERSTAND, NOW IS THE MOST SERIES TIME.

BUT NOW WHEN HIS FINANCEABLE INCENTIVES HAVE DISSIPATED -- >> AND THE POLITICAL INCENTIVES, HE WOULDN'T HAVE HAD THE MICR MICROPHONE HE HAD FOR FOUR YEARS -- HE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN INDEPENDENT DEBATE PREP.

IT WASN'T JUST THAT THAT HELPED HIS BUSINESS.

IT HELPED HIM BE IN THE MIX.

CHRIS DCHRISTIE LOVES MORE THAN ANYTHING TO BE IN THE CONVERSATION.

AND THAT CONVERSATION IS OVER.

TRUMP IS GONE IN 12 DAYS.

>> THAT IS ENOUGH CHRISTIE CONVERSATION.

>>LET ME TRY TO SLIDE IN OTHER NEWS HERE IN THE MINUTE OR TWO I HAVE LEFT.

WE HAD JUDY ON CHAT BOX THIS WEEK TALKS ABOUT THE VACCINE ROLL OUT.

SHE SAID THINGS STARTED SLOW BUT ARE GETTING BETTER.

BRENDA, ARE THEY GETTING BETTER?

>> THEY ARE RAMPING UP SLOWLY.

THEY ARE LOOKING AT A SHORTAGE PROBLEM ON TWO FRONTS.

ONE, THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE TO GIVE THE INJECTIONS IN PATTERSON THIS WEEK.

YOU HAD THE NEW CLINIC SET UP BUT THEY HAD TO BORROW A DOZEN SCHOOL NURSES TO HAVE PEOPLE TO GIVE OUT THE VACCINE.

IN CAMDEN, YOU HAD THE SETUP READY TO GO WITH ALL THE NURSES AND THEY HAD NO VACCINE.

THEY ARE DEBUTING ALL THE MEGA SITES AND BEGINNING TO GET IT ORGANIZE.

IF THEY DON'T DEAL WITH THE SHORTAGE, THEY BE FACING PROBLEMS.

>> WE TALKED TO FAMILY MEMBERS OF DETAINTEES AT THE DETENTION CENTER IN HUDSON WHERE HUNGER STRIKES ARE UNDER WAY.

WHAT IS THE LATEST?

IT FEELS LIKE IT'S STARTING TO RAMP UP, NO?

>> YEAH, HUNGER STRIKES AT ESSEX AND HUDSON AND BERGEN WHERE THE THREE COUNTY JAILS HOLD I.C.E.

DETAINEES AND MORE PRESSURE ON THE DEMOCRATS WITH THE ICE CONTRACTS.

PEOPLE ARE BOMBING -- NOT BOMBING, THEY ARE JUST OVERWHELMING HUDSON COHN TIP'S COMMISSIONER MEETINGS TO THE POINT WHERE THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER, DISPARAGED THEM, CALLED THEM FOOLS, ENTER AND THE COMMISSIONER LEFT THE MEETING SO THEY -- HE RENEWED THE I.C.E.

CONTRACT IN NOVEMBER.

THE PROTEGSS INSIDE IN THE FORM OF HUNGER STRIKES AND THE PROTEST OUTSIDE ON THE STREET, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE IN BERGEN COUNTY.

THERE HAVE BEEN ARRESTS, AND THEN -- AT THE COMMISSIONER MEETINGS, THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER MEETINGS.

A LOT OF PRESSURE ON THE DEMOCRATS NOW IF THEY CAN KEEP I.C.E.

CONTRACTS IN THE BIDEN ERA.

>> THAT IS ALL THE TIME WE HAVE TODAY.

THANKS TO THE PANEL.

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I'M DAVID CRUZ.

THANKS FOR WATCHING AND WE WILL SEE YOU NEXT WEEM.

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