>> Ted: COMING UP NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON, ATTORNEY GENERAL KRIS MAYES JOINS US.

THOSE STORIES AND MORE ARE NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON.

>> THE FEDERAL APPEAL'S COURT RULED AGAINST DONALD TRUMP'S CLAIMS OF PRESIDENTIAL IMMUNITY INVOLVING CHARGES THAT HE PLOTTED TO SUBVERT THE RESULTS OF THE 2020 ELECTION.

THE RULE MEANS TRUMP MUST GO TO TRIAL ON A CRIMINAL INDICTMENT OF TRYING TO OVERTURN HIS LOSS TO PRESIDENT BIDEN.

THAT WAS A UNANIMOUS RULING BY A THREE-JUDGE PANEL WITH THE DECISION RING, IN PART, QUOTE, FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS BECOME CITIZEN TRUMP.

IT'S THE FIRST TIME IN THE COUNTRY'S HISTORY THAT AN APPEAL'S COURT CONSIDERED IMMUNITY FOR A FORMER PRESIDENT LOOKING TO AVOID ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THINGS DONE WHILE IN OFFICE.

IT'S THE FIRST TIME BECAUSE NO FORMER PRESIDENT HAS EVER BEEN INDICTED.

THIS DOES NOT CLOSE THE ISSUES A TRUMP IS EXPECTED TO CONTINUE HIS APPEAL TO THE SUPREME COURT.

>>> AND A SENATE'S $118 BILLION DEAL TO CHANGE THE NATION'S IMMIGRATION SYSTEM AND AUTHORIZE FUNDING FOR UKRAINE AND ISRAEL AND TAIWAN.

THAT APPEARS TO BE GOING NOWHERE FAST.

THE BIPARTISAN BILL NEGOTIATE GREATED IN PART BY KYRSTEN SINEMA IS LOSING REPUBLICAN SUPPORT AND PRESIDENT BIDEN SAYS HE KNOWS WHY.

>> THE SIMPLE REASON, DONALD TRUMP, BECAUSE DONALD TRUMP THINKS IT'S BAD FOR HIM POLITICALLY AND WOULD WHETHER WEAPONNIZE THIS ISSUE THAN SOLVE IT.

FOR THE LAST 24 HOURS, HE'S DONE NOTHING, I'M TOLD, BUT TO REACH OUT TO REPUBLICANS IN THE HOUSE AND SENATE AND THREATEN THEM TO TRY TO INTIMIDATE THEM TO VOTE AGAINST THIS PROPOSAL.

>> Ted: BIDEN CALLED ON CONGRESSIONAL REPUBLICANS TO, QUOTE, SHOW SOME SPINE AGAINST TRUMP, BUT THEY SAID THIS IS NOT WHAT HOUSE REPUBLICANS ARE LOOKING FOR.

>> IT'S NOT A BORDER SECURITY BILL AND DOESN'T DO ANYTHING OF THE SORT.

IN OUR VIEW, AFTER CAREFUL, THOUGHTFUL REVIEW, IF IT WERE TO MAKE LAW, IT MIGHT MAKE THE SITUATION WORSE.

>> Ted: ALL INDICATIONS NOW ARE THAT THE BILL WON'T MAKE IT TO THE SENATE FLOOR, MUCH LESS THE HOUSE.

>>> ISSUES INVOLVING THE TIMING OF THIS YEAR'S ELECTIONS IN ARIZONA ALONG WITH CONCERNS OVER THE ARIZONA COMMERCE AUTHORITY USING PUBLIC FUNDS TO ENTERTAIN VISITING EXECUTIVES AND AN UPDATE ON A LAWSUIT TO BLOCK SECRECY IN ELDER ABUSE CASES.

AND THERE'S PLENTY TO DISCUSS WITH KRIS MAYES.

>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

>> Ted: THE REPUBLICANS WANTING TO SHORTEN THE DAYS AND YOUR THOUGHTS?

>> WELL, YOU KNOW, THE VIEW IS WE NEED TO GET THIS SOLVED.

WE ARE RIGHT UP ON TOP OF A DEADLINE WHERE WE REALLY NEED TO COME TOGETHER, REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS, THE LEGISLATURE, THE GOVERNOR AND SECRETARY OF STATE AND MYSELF, WE NEED TO GET ON THE SAME PAGE ABOUT THIS.

AND THIS IS REALLY ABOUT SETTING A SCHEDULE FOR THE UPCOMING ELECTION.

AND THE STORY ACTUALLY, TED, GOES A COUPLE YEARS BACK.

REMEMBER, A COUPLE YEARS AGO, THE REPUBLICAN LEGISLATURE AND THE REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR DECIDED TO TIGHTEN THE PERCENTAGE FOR RECOUNTS.

THAT'S MAKE IT MORE EXPANSIVE AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE RECOUNTS NOW AT ONE HALF OF ONE PERCENT.

IN MY RACE IN 2022 BEEN IT WAS A GOOD POSTER CHILD FOR THAT AND WE HAD A RECOUNT AND I WON BY A VOTE OF 500 VOTES AND A RECOUNT WAS TRIGGERED.

AND SO, THIS IS WHAT THAT IS REALLY ABOUT.

WE HAVE NOW THE POSSIBILITY IN ARIZONA OF HAVING MULTIPLE RECOUNTS PRETTY MUCH EVERY ELECTION CYCLE BECAUSE OF THAT.

YOU THROW INTO THAT EQUATION THE FACT WE NOW HAVE AN ELECTORAL COUNT DEADLINE BECAUSE IT'S A PRESIDENTIAL YEAR OF DECEMBER 11th AND WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE CALENDAR.

SO WE NEEDED EVERYBODY TO GET TOGETHER AND THERE'S A SOLUTION TO BE FOUND HERE.

UNFORTUNATELY, I THINK, THE REPUBLICANS ARE PLAYING SOME GAMES BECAUSE THEY'RE TRYING TO SHORTEN THE CURE PERIOD, WHERE YOU CAN CURE BALLOTS IN A PERIOD AFTER ELECTION DAY.

AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK FOR FOLKS LIKE ME AND THE GOVERNOR, THAT'S NOT OK BECAUSE IT ESSENTIALLY MEANS WE'LL LOSE LEGITIMATE BALLOTS.

SO WE WANT TO SEE A COMPROMISE.

>> Ted: YOU MENTIONED YOUR CONCERN REGARDING LOW INCOME, TRIBAL AND RURAL VOTERS AND WHAT WOULD THAT IMPACT BE?

>> YOU THINK ABOUT THE NAVAJO NATION, WHICH, BY THE WAY, IS OPPOSING THAT SHORTENING OF THE CURE PERIOD.

YOU KNOW, NAVAJO NATION IS A SPRAWLING PART OF ARIZONA AND RURAL IN NATURE AND A LOT OF POLLING PLACES IN VARIOUS AREAS AND YOU HAVE VOTERS WHO SOMETIMES WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO CURE BALLOTS, IT'S HARD FIND VOTERS BECAUSE NOTHING EVERYBODY UP THERE HAS AN ACTUAL, PHYSICAL ADDRESS.

AND SO, WORRIED ABOUT THEM BEING ABLE TO CURE THEIR BALLOTS IF THE REPUBLICANS ARE DELIBERATELY TRYING TO SHRINK THAT CURE PERIOD.

BUT I THINK TAKING IT BACK UP, TED, THERE'S A COMPROMISE TO BE FOUND HERE.

WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS TO COME TOGETHER AS A STATE.

THIS IS A FIX THAT WE CAN MAKE TOGETHER, BUT THERE'S GOT TO BE A WILLINGNESS TO DO THAT.

>> Ted: MOVING UP THE PRIMARY DATES MAKE SENSE TO YOU?

WE HAVE TO MAKE THE DECISION, THOUGH.

IF WE MOVE THAT PRIMARY DATE, COUNTY RECORDERS, COUNTY ELECTION'S OFFICIALS NEED TO NEGOTIATE POLLING PLACES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE PRIMARY ISSUE AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THIS GENERAL ELECTION ISSUE AND THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE.

>> Ted: IS THIS THE PRICE TO PAY, THOUGH?

ACCESS, SIGNATURE VERIFICATION THINGS THAT ARE THROWN OUT INTO THE LEGISLATION AND IS THIS THE PRICE YOU PAY FOR BAD LEGISLATION TO FIX WHAT -- WE WON'T CALL IT BAD LEGISLATION BUT LEGISLATION THAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED.

>> WELL, YOU KNOW, I THINK A COUPLE OF THINGS.

AGAIN, IT GOES BACK TO, I THINK, WHAT WAS A BAD DECISION TWO YEARS AGO TO MAKE IT -- TO EXPAND THE NUMBER OF RECOUNTS THAT WE'LL HAVE IN THE STATE OF ARIZONA.

THAT'S A KIND OF CHAOS AND DELIBERATE CHAOS THAT I THINK WAS THROWN INTO THE SYSTEM.

AND I DON'T WANT TO SEE A SITUATION IN WHICH THIS LEGISLATION THAT IS MAKING ITS WAY THROUGH THE LEGISLATURE ESSENTIALLY CURTAILS AND CONSTRAINS THAT CURE PERIOD.

WHAT WE WANT TO SEE IS EVERY LEGITIMATE VOTE COUNTED AND ALL OF THOSE BALLOTS COUNTED.

EVERYBODY HAS A RIGHT TO HAVE THEIR VOTE COUNTED.

I THINK WE CAN COME UP WITH A SOLUTION, BUT BOTH SIDES HAVE GOT TO GET TOGETHER.

>> Ted: AND QUICKLY.

>> YES.

>> Ted: ARIZONA COMMERCE AUTHORITY, AN UPDATE ON THAT, OF WHINING AND DINING BIG RIGS ON A PUBLIC DIME.

>> WE MADE IT CLEAR TO THE ARIZONA COMMERCE AUTHORITY THAT WE WERE GOING TO FILE A LAWSUIT TO STOP THEM FROM SPENDING TAXPAYER DOLLARS ON WHINING AND DINING CEOS, OUT OF THE STATE CEOS AT THESE EVENTS LIKE THE WASTE MANAGEMENT, OPEN AND THE NCAA TOURNAMENT THAT WE HAVE COMING UP.

AND THANKFULLY, THEY PULLED BACK AND IT TURNS OUT THAT THEY'VE FOUND A WAY TO USE PRIVATE MONEY FROM PRIVATE SOURCES TO FUND MOST OF THE EVENTS.

BUT I WILL SAY WE'LL BE WATCHING THIS VERY CLOSELY.

I GOT AN EAGLE EYE ON THIS SITUATION.

WE HAVE THE FINAL FOUR AND THEIR PLAN WAS TO SPEND $900,000 IN TAXPAYER DOLLARS.

I THINK MOST ARIZONANS DON'T BELIEVE IT'S APPROPRIATE TO SPEND $900,000 TO WINE AND DINE A BUNCH OF OUT-OF-STATE CEOS.

>> Ted: DO YOU THINK THERE'S AN APPETITE GROWING, IN PART, BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU HAVE DONE?

JUST TO GET RID OF THE COMMERCE AUTHORITY?

AND DO YOU THINK THAT WOULD BE A WISE THING?

>> I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK YOU HAVE DO THAT.

I MEAN, I REMEMBER THE DAYS WHEN WE HAD THE COMMERCE DEPARTMENT, RIGHT?

WE HAD AN ACTUAL COMMERCE DEPARTMENT AND ITS MISSION WAS A GOOD MISSION AND SOMEHOW IT MORPHED INTO THIS SITUATION IN WHICH WE WERE SPENDING TAXPAYER DOLLARS TO THROW THESE LAVISH EVENTS.

IT VIOLATES THE GIFT CLAUSE.

WE HAVE A GIFT CLAUSE THAT WAS DESIGNED TO PREVENT THIS VERY KIND OF THING.

>> Ted: LET'S MOVE ONTO THIS UPDATE ON A LAWSUIT AND THIS IS THE STUFF, INVOLVING ELDER ABUSE, AND I KNOW THIS IS IMPORTANT TO YOU.

THE IDEA OF CASES DECIDED OUT OF THE COURT AND AWAY FROM PUBLIC SCRUTINY, SECRECY INVOLVED, GIVE US LATEST ON THIS.

>> SO THIS IS IMPORTANT TO ME.

COMBATING ELDER ABUSE IS A CENTER POINT OF MY MISSION AS ATTORNEY GENERAL.

WE HAVE PUT TOGETHER A TASK FORCED IN THE AG'S OFFICE AND I HAVE DESIGNATED AND APPOINTED ADDITIONAL RESOURCES, INVESTIGATORS ON THIS.

WE'LL BE VERY AGGRESSIVE IN TACKLING ELDER ABUSE AT NURSING HOMES AND BY PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE CARING FOR LOVED ONES AND NOT DOING IT -- DOING IT IN A WAY THAT VIOLATES OUR LAWS.

WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS A REALLY INSIDIOUS PROVISION THAT A LOT OF NURSING HOMES AND LONG-TERM CARE FACILITIES ARE USING CALLED AN ARBITRATION CLAUSE, A SECRECY CLAUSE THAT FORCES YOU AND A LOT OF PEOPLE -- THINK ABOUT YOU'RE IN THE MOST VULNERABLE MOMENT AND YOU ARE IN THE PROCESS OF FINDING A PLACE FOR YOUR MOM OR DAD TO LIVE IN THEIR FINAL YEARS.

AND SOMEBODY HANDS YOU A CONTRACT AND SAID, SIGN THIS, BUT YOU HAVE TO AGREE TO KEEP ANY DISPUTES BETWEEN US SECRET AND NOT TELL THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OR ANY LAW ENFORCEMENT ABOUT THIS.

THAT IS CONTEMPORARY TO GOOD PUBLIC POLICY AND THE PUBLIC INTEREST AND PREVENTS ME FROM DOING MY JOB, TED.

SO WE HAVE FILED AGAINST ONE OF THOSE AND WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE A POINT OF THIS AND WE'RE GOING TO KEEP DRIVING THAT CASE UNTIL WE WIN.

>> Ted: CONTEMPORARY TO PUBLIC POLICY, CONTEMPORARY TO PUBLIC INTEREST, BUT IS IT CONTEMPORARY TO THE PUBLIC LAW?

>> WE BELIEVE IT'S CONTEMPORARY TO THE ADULT PUBLIC SERVICE LAWS IN ARIZONA.

WE THINK IT VIOLATES, AGAIN, THE LAWS THAT I AM RESPONSIBLE FOR ENFORCING AND SO WE'RE MAKING THAT CASE RIGHT NOW IN FRONT OF A JUDGE.

AND WE THINK WE'RE GOING TO GET THERE AND WE WANT TO CONTINUE FORWARD ON THIS UNTIL WE GET THIS ACKNOWLEDGED BY A COURT SUCH THAT OTHER FACILITIES DON'T ENGAGE IN THESE PRACTICES.

>> Ted: IS THIS SOMETHING THAT THE LEGISLATURE AND THE GOVERNOR COULD ADDRESS?

>> YEAH.

I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THEY COULD ADDRESS.

WHETHER THAT WILL HAPPEN THIS SESSION, I DON'T KNOW.

>> Ted: WHY WOULDN'T THEY?

IS IT PRIVACY?

I KNOW THE PRIVACY IS A MAJOR ISSUE FOR A LOT OF FOLKS.

IS THAT AT PLAY HERE?

>> I DON'T THINK THAT'S A LEGITIMATE ARGUMENT BECAUSE, BASICALLY, THIS IS WHEN YOU GET TO A POINT WHERE SOMEONE HAS DIED OR SOMEONE HAS BEEN HURT AND AN INDIVIDUAL IS TRYING TO SUE THE NURSING ELEMENT AND SAYING, HEY, YOU SIGNED THIS CONTRACT AND THIS HAS TO BE SECRET.

WHATEVER DEAL I DO WITH YOU, WHATEVER PAYOUT YOU GET HAS TO BE SECRET AND YOU CAN'T TELL THE ATTORNEY GENERAL ABOUT THAT.

THAT'S NOT OK AND THAT MEANS I CAN'T DON'T MY JOB BECAUSE THE OTHER THING THAT I WANT TO DO, TED, IS GO AFTER THESE FACILITIES.

BECAUSE THAT INDIVIDUAL IS IN THE FACILITY THAT MAY BE ENGAGED IN THAT KIND OF BEHAVIOR ON A WIDE SCALE AND I NEED TO POTENTIALLY TAKE OVER THAT FACILITY, PUT IT IN RECEIVERSHIP POTENTIALLY AND I CAN FILE A MULTIMILLION DOLLAR CIVIL SUIT AGAINST THAT FACILITY AND MAKE IT CLEAR TO THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY, HEY, THIS KIND OF ABUSE THAT HAS BEEN CHRONICLED IN OUR NEWSPAPERS RECENTLY HAS TO COME TO AN END.

>> Ted: BEFORE WE LET YOU GO, SENATE JUDICIARY CHAIR WANTS YOU INVESTIGATED.

THEY WANT YOU INVESTIGATED BECAUSE OF A, QUOTE, FLOOD OF QUESTIONABLE ACTIVITY, A WITCH HUNT OVER THE WAY OFFICIALS ARE DOING TEAR JOBS.

EVERYTHING FROM REFUSING TO DEFEND CERTAIN THINGS LIKE THE TRANSGENDER ATHLETE BAN AND OTHER THINGS AND GOING AFTER WHAT HE SAYS ARE ELECTED OFFICIALS WHO ARE JUST DOING THEIR JOBS.

HE WANTS TO KNOW, THEY'RE GOING AFTER YOU, WHAT ARE USE THOUGHTS?

[ Laughter ] >> I THINK IT'S KIND OF LAUGHABLE AND, YOU KNOW, THAT GENTLEMAN THAT YOU SPOKE OF WAS NOT ABLE TO ARTICULATE A REAL BASIS FOR OPENING AN INVESTIGATION.

KIND OF SURPRISED THAT THE SENATE PRESIDENT ALLOWED THAT TO GO FORWARD.

I'LL CONTINUE TO DO MY JOB AND I THINK THE PEOPLE IN ARIZONA ARE WITH ME IN THE WAY I DO MY JOB AND WE'RE INTEREST PROSECUTING ELDER ABUSE, PROTECTING ARIZONANS AGAINST THE FENTANYL CRISIS THAT WE HAVE AND GOING AFTER THE DRUG CARTELS AND TRYING TO SHUT THEM DOWN AND PROTECTING OUR WATER SUPPLIES IN THIS STATE, WHICH WE DESPERATELY NEED TO DO.

IT'S KIND OF A CIRCUS AND SIDE SHOW, BUT IT'S SAD, TOO, BECAUSE THEY'RE WASTING TAXPAYER RESOURCES ON THEM.

>> Ted: YET, THE CHAIRMAN HERE, HE COULD BE UNDER INVESTIGATION BY YOUR OFFICE.

>> YEAH, AND AS YOU KNOW, AND I'VE BEEN ON YOUR SHOW BEFORE, I WON'T TALK ABOUT THAT INVESTIGATION EXCEPT TO SAY THERE'S ONE AND WE'RE TAKING THAT VERY SERIOUSLY.

WE'LL UPDATE YOU WHEN IT'S APPROPRIATE TO DO SO.

>> Ted: IS THERE A TIMELINE?

>> YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GOING TO REALLY PRESENT A TIMELINE RIGHT NOW, EXCEPT TO SAY THAT WE ARE WORKING VERY DELIBERATELY AND WE WILL FINISH UP WHEN WE'RE READY.

>> Ted: THE FACT THIS IS AN ELECTION YEAR SHAPING THAT TIMELINE?

>> I THINK IT WOULD BE -- I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY THAT IS A FACTOR.

I MEAN, IT HAS TO BE AND WE ARE COGNIZANT OF THE ELECTION CLOCK AND I THINK EVERY PROSECUTOR IN THE LAND IS COGNIZANT OF THAT.

THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE HAS GENERAL GUIDELINES FOR HOW IT HANDLES THAT SO I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY, YES, THAT'S ON MY MIND.

>> Ted: LAST POINT ON THE INVESTIGATION, THE SENATE PRESIDENT, YOU WERE SURPRISED HE WENT AHEAD WITH THIS.

>> YES.

>> Ted: HE SAID HE'S HOLDING THE GOVERNMENT RESPONSIBLE AND ACCOUNTABLE.

>> THIS IS THEM TRYING TO GRAND STAND AND THEIR POLITICAL BASE AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK IS SO SAD.

I THINK IN PREVIOUS DECADES, BACK WHEN I WAS A REPUBLICAN, THIS NEVER WOULD HAVE BEEN CONTEMPLATED BECAUSE, REALLY, WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS LAUNCHING AN INVESTIGATION AGAINST AN ATTORNEY GENERAL THEY DISAGREE WITH AND THAT'S NOT A VALID PURPOSE.

>> Ted: KRIS MAYES, ALWAYS GOOD TO SEE YOU.

>> THANKS, TED.

>> Ted: UP NEXT, THE SCOTTSDALE MUSEUM OF CONTEMPORARY ART CELEBRATES IT 25th ANNIVERSARY.

>> THERE'S SO MUCH NATURAL BEAUTY TO SEE AND HIKE IN THIS STATE.

>> I NEVER EXPERIENCED A DESERT LIKE THIS BEFORE.

>> WE'RE CHECKING OUT THE DIVERSE RECREATION OPPORTUNITY.

>> WEDNESDAY NIGHT AT 8:00 ON ARIZONA PBS.

♪ >> WELCOME TO CHECK, PLEASE, ARIZONA, THE SHOW WHERE ARIZONA RESIDENTS RECOMMEND THEIR FAVORITE RESTAURANTS.

WE'RE HITTING UP MEXICAN CHINESE FUSION AND WINE BAR.

>> IT HAS THE TEXTURE OF A BURGER AND IT HAD A CRUST ON IT.

>> JUST MADE ME FEEL I WAS AT THE FAIR.

>> ALL NEW THURSDAY NIGHT AT 7:00 ON ARIZONA PBS.

♪ >> TONIGHT ON THE NEWS HOUR, FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP'S CLAIM OF IMMUNITY IS REJECTED PUTTING THE MATTER ON TRACK TO THE U.S. SUPREME COURT.

THAT'S AT 6:00 ON ARIZONA PBS.

>> Ted: IT'S BEEN 25 YEARS SINCE SINCE SMOCA BECAME A MAJOR PLAYER IN THE LOCAL ART'S COMMUNITY.

THEY'RE CELEBRATING WITH TWO NEW EXHIBITS AND A NUMBER OF EVENTS AND FOR MORE, WE WELCOME, JENNIFER McCABE, CURATOR AT SMOCA.

>> THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.

>> Ted: 25 YEARS AND WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL MISSION OF THE MUSEUM?

>> SO I DON'T THINK THE MISSION HAS CHANGED, BUT IT WAS TO SHOWCASE THE CONTEMPORARY ART, ARCHITECTURE AND DESIGN.

>> Ted: YOU DON'T THINK THAT MISSION HAS CHANGED TOO MUCH OVER TIME?

>> I'LL GIVE YOU BACKGROUND INFORMATION.

WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON OUR MISSION STATEMENT AND WE'RE GOING TO BE LAUNCHING A NEW MISSION STATEMENT NOT VEERING TOO FAR FROM THAT, BUT JUST ADAPTING THAT TO HOW MUSEUMS HAVE CHANGED OVER THE LAST 25 YEARS AND POST COVID.

>> Ted: I'M INTERESTED TO SEE THAT ONCE THAT COMES OUT AND HOW HAVE COMMUNITIES, THOUGH, CHANGED, THIS COMMUNITY, SCOTTSDALE, REGARDING MODERN ART.

IT USED TO BE IT WAS 500 PAINTERS PAINTING THE SAME HORSE AND IT'S CHANGED NOW.

>> I THINK THE ART WORLD OPENED UP TO THE PLACES OUTSIDE OF CENTER AND OUTSIDE OF NEW YORK OR LOSANGELOS OR CHICAGO AND I THINK THAT THE COMMUNITY HERE UNDERSTANDS THE IMPORTANCE OF CONNECTING, YOU KNOW, TO THOSE OTHER AREAS AROUND THE COUNTRY AND AROUND THE WORLD.

>> Ted: THE ARCHITECTURE THERE IS VERY WELL-KNOWN HERE AROUND TOWN FOR WORK.

AND THAT WAS AN OLD MOVIE THEATER.

>> IT WAS AN OLD MOVIE THEATER AND THERE ARE A LOT OF NODS TO THE HISTORY OF THE BUILDING AND THE DESIGN OF THE ARCHITECTURE AND LIKE ANY INSTITUTION, IT TOOK AN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF COMMUNITY EFFORT TO BRING THE MUSEUM TO FRUITION.

PART OF IT WAS WILL BRUTER AND A TEAM AND HE SAID HE WENT AROUND THE COUNTRY VISITING OTHER ART SPACES TO GET THE BEST VENUE.

>> Ted: I KNOW THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS AT THE MUSEUM AND CERTAINLY SOME NEW THINGS HAPPENING.

I WANT TO LOOK AT THE NEW THINGS.

DOROTHY FRATT IS ONE OF THE NEW EXHIBITS, COLOR MIRAGE AND TALK TO US ABOUT THAT.

BEAUTIFUL STUFF THERE.

>> SO DOROTHY FRATT PASSED AWAY IN 2017 AND LEAD A LONG LIFE OF 94 YEARS AND A BELOVED ARTISTED.

SHE WAS A TEACHER, MUCH ADMIRED AND WORKED IN THIS BEAUTIFUL COLOR FIELD ABSTRACT.

LIKE YOU MENTIONED ABOUT SCOTTSDALE, BEING AN OLD TOWN AND YOU SEE A LOT OF HORSES AND SUNSETS AND THE NATURAL LANDSCAPE AND THIS PAINTING IS CALLED "RED MESA" SO SHE'S BEING INFLUENCED BY THE LIGHT AND THE LANDSCAPE OF OUR DESERT.

>> Ted: VERY GOOD.

AND ALSO, CARLIONE FERNANDEZ HAS AN EXHIBIT HERE AND WHO IS SHE AND WHAT DOES SHE DO?

>> THE AMAZING THING, WE HAVE DOROTHY FRAFF AND CAROLENA, SHE INVESTIGATING A TRADE INDUSTRY AND IMPACT ON THE ENVIRONMENT AND PEOPLE AND SO SHE DOES ALL THESE LABOR INTENSIVE ARTWORKS THAT INVOLVE SEWING, BUT ALSO ETCHING ON COPPER PLATES LIKE YOU SEE HERE AND THEY ARE IN REFERENCE OF THE IMPACT FROM TRADE.

>> Ted: SO THERE'S A MESSAGE INVOLVED.

>> A MESSAGE AS THERE IS.

>> Ted: I WAS GOING TO ASK THAT.

SOMETIMES A LOT OF PEOPLE JUST WANT THE ART TO ALLOW THEMSELVES TO PUT THEIR OWN MESSAGE ON TO ART, BUT IN CONTEMPORARY ART, THE ART ITSELF HAS MESSAGES OFTEN, CORRECT?

>> IT OFTEN DOES AND WE DEFINITELY TRY TO HAVE A DIVERSITY OF THINGS AVAILABLE FOR WHEN YOU COME TO VISIT THE MUSEUM.

SO YOU CAN BRING YOUR OWN IDEAS AND YOU CAN JUST ASK SIMPLE QUESTIONS, LIKE, WHAT IS IT?

WHAT IS IT MADE OF?

IS THERE MEANING BEHIND THAT MATERIAL AND YOU CAN COME UP WITH INTERESTING STORIES.

>> Ted: AN INTERESTING ARTIST WAS JAMES TERELL AND PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT HIM AND HIS WORK AND THIS IS CALLED "NIGHT RISE" AND GOODNESS GRACIOUS, JUST THAT AND IT'S GORGEOUS!

>> IT'S GORGEOUS!

HE'S AN ARTIST WHO WORKS WITH LIGHT AS HIS MEDIUM AND WELL-KNOWN INTERNATIONALLY, BUT THE SPECIAL THING IS THAT HE'S BASED IN ARIZONA.

AND SO, AT THE SCOTTSDALE MUSEUM OF CONTEMPORARY, WE TRY TO CONNECT WITH THE ARTIST'S COMMUNITY AND SHOW CASING INTERNATIONAL ARTISTS AND HE FITS BOTH SIDES OF THAT COUNTY.

>> Ted: HOW BIG IS THAT INSTALLATION?

>> THIS IS AT SMOCA AND PEOPLE TALK ABOUT IT TODAY.

"THE NIGHT RISE" IS A SCULPTURE WHERE YOU SIT AND VIEW THE SKY.

>> Ted: "SKID SOUP," AND WHAT IS THAT?

>> IT'S NOT PERMANENT BUT IT WAS ONE OF THE MOST POPULAR AND I CAN EASILY SAY ONE OF THE MOST POPULAR EXHIBITIONS AND ONE THAT WAS IMMERSIVE AND LIGHT-BASED, TECHNOLOGY AND YOU KNOW, IT WAS SHOWCASED IN 2017 AND IT QUADRUPLED THE ATTENDANCE.

>> Ted: THE IDEA IS PERMANENT.

>> THE IDEA LIVES ON.

>> THE SOLO SHOW IN, LIKE -- >> 2017.

>> Ted: BETTY SARR, SHE WAS ANOTHER OLDER ARTIST.

>> SHE'S 97 AND SOMETHING THAT TRAGICALLY HAPPENS IN THE ART WORLD, THAT OFTEN WOMEN ARTISTS, ARTISTS OF COLOR CAN BE OVERLOOKED FOR A LONG PART OF THEIR CAREER AND SO THIS WAS A LARGE SCALE MUSEUM EXHIBITION WITH ANOTHER MUSEUM IN THE NETHERLANDS.

SO A COLLABORATION.

AND IT SHOWCASED MUCH OF HER CAREER.

SO JUST AN ASTONISHING EXHIBITION AND THE FIRST ONE I SAW.

>> Ted: SPECIAL FOR YOU, THEN.

>> BEAUTIFUL FOR ME.

>> Ted: JENNIFER McCABE, CONGRATULATIONS ON THE MUSEUM'S 25 YEARS AND I'M SURE YOU HAVE GREAT IDEAS FOR THE NEXT 25 YEARS AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

>> Ted: I'M TED SIMONS THANK YOU FOR JOINING US AND YOU HAVE