>> Braude: TONIGHT A SPECIAL "GREATER BOSTON," KICKING OFF OUR SERIES OF THE ONLY TELEVISED MASSACHUSETTS PRIMARY DEBATES.

FIRST UP, THE RACE FOR ATTORNEY GENERAL, OR, AS THE POSITION IS OFTEN KNOWN, THE PEOPLE'S LAWYER.

I'M JOINED BY THE THREE DEMOCRATS VYING FOR THE JOB, AHEAD OF PRIMARY ELECTION DAY ON SEPTEMBER 6.

ANDREA CAMPBELL, WHO REPRESENTED DORCHESTER AND MATTAPAN ON THE BOSTON CITY COUNCIL FOR SIX YEARS, BECAME THE FIRST BLACK WOMAN EVER ELECTED PRESIDENT OF THE COUNCIL IN 2018 AND RAN FOR MAYOR OF BOSTON LAST YEAR.

QUENTIN PALFREY, A FORMER STATE PROSECUTOR WHO MOST RECENTLY SERVED AS ACTING GENERAL COUNSEL AT THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE UNDER JOE BIDEN AND, BEFORE THAT, WAS THE 2018 DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE FOR LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR.

AND SHANNON LISS-RIORDAN, WHO BUILT A CAREER AS A LABOR ATTORNEY, GOING UP AGAINST COMPANIES LIKE UBER, LYFT AND AMAZON AND CHALLENGED SENATOR ED MARKEY FOR HIS SEAT IN 2019.

THE RULES?

THERE ARE NONE.

BUT TIME IS SHORT, SO BREVITY IS APPRECIATED-- ACTUALLY, REQUIRED.

FEEL FREE TO TALK TO EACH OTHER, JUST NOT OVER EACH OTHER.

WE'VE GOT A LOT TO COVER, SO LET'S JUMP RIGHT IN.

THANKS FOR BEING HERE.

STARTK WITH I ANDREA, ARE YOU A DEMOCRAT, DEMOCRATIC LEGISLATURE WENT ON A FIVE MONTH ADJOURNMENT TODAY FAILS TO ACT ON TAX CUTS SOME OF WHICH WOULD HAVE GONE TO RENTERS AND PARENTS.

REBATES WHICH WERE TARGETED TO MIDDLE AND MODERATE INCOME PEOPLE, A HOUSING INITIATIVE AND MUCH MORE.

WHAT IS THE REACTION TO THIS FIVE MONTH HIATUS, AGAIN, FOR THE DEMOCRATS WHEN SO MUCH OF THE PEOPLE'S BUSINESS IS UNDONE.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME.

>> I HAVE BEEN CRISSCROSSING THE STRAIGHTS AND WE LAUNCHED THIS CAMPAIGN AND WHAT I KNOW TO BE TRUE IS THAT PEOPLE ARE STRUGGLING RIGHT NOW, HOUSING IS A MAJOR CONCERN AND HAVE I BEEN STRESSES ALL THE WAYS AN ATTORNEY GENERAL CAN ACTUALLY HELP PEOPLE STAY IN THEIR HOMES.

pOF COURSE CHALLENGING LANDLORDS THAT ARE USING ALL TYPES OF PRACTICES TO TRY IT TO PUSH TENANTS OUT OF THEIR HOMES, POTENTIAL FORECLOSURES.

>> Braude: THE LEGISLATURES STAY IN THEIR BEACON HILL HOME.

>> ITS WORK IS URGENT STRKS RIGHT NOW.

WHAT I WANT TO FOCUS ON BECAUSE THE TOPIC TONIGHT IS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL RACE IS REALLY GETTING FOLKS TO PAY ATTENTION TO THIS RACE AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT OFFICE CAN DO TO HELP THEM WITH THE RISING COSTS OF THINGS AND WITH THE HOSING CRISIS WE'RE DEALING WITH.

>> Braude: THE LEGISLATURE IS TRYING TO DEAL WITH THE COST OF THINGS BUT FAILED TO.

SHOULD THEY BE TROUBLED BY WHAT THEY DID.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

OUR DEMOCRACY IS NOT WORKING WELL ON THE NATIONAL LEVEL T IS LITERALLY UNDER ATTACK BUT IT DOES NOT WORK RIGHT HERE IN BEACON HILL.

LET ME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.

THE REBATE THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, THEY EXCLUDED PEOPLE UNDER $38,000 A YEAR BUT THEN WHEN THERE WAS AN AMENDMENT TO TRY TO INCLUDE PEOPLE WHO NEEDED THAT RELIEF THE MOST, THERE WAS JUST A VOICE VOTE.

AND THEREFORE THE PEOPLE OF MASSACHUSETTS COULDN'T KNOW HOW THEIR REPRESENTATIVES VOTED.

WE NEED THE DEMOCRACY THAT IS MORE TRANSPARENT AND WHERE PEOPLE CAN BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR VOTES.

>> Braude: ARE YOU TROUBLED BY THE UNDONE BUSINESS.

THEY COULD HAVE DECIDED TO STAY HERE LONGER, SHOULD THEY HAVE CHOSEN.

>> THERE IS A LOT THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

AND I LOOK FORWARD AS ATTORNEY GENERAL TO WORKING ACTIVELY WITH THE LEGISLATURE TO MAKE SURE WE GET THE LAWS PASSED THAT WE NEED TO.

AS A PRACTICING LAWYER FOR THE LAST 23 YEARS.

I KNOW HOW IMPORTANT IT IS THAT WE GET THE RIGHT LAWS ON THE BOOKS AND THEN LAWS DON'T ENFORCE THEMSELVES.

WE NEED THE ATTORNEY TO ENFORCE THOSE LAWS.

I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING IN PARTNERSHIP WITH OUR LEGISLATURE.

>> Braude: ARE YOU TROUBLED THERE SAY FIVE MONTH BREAK.

>> I THINK THERE IS ALOT OF WORK THAT WILL BE DONE OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS.

I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO SEE MORE GET DONE, IN THE EARLY MORNING HOURS BUT I KNOW A LOT HAPPENS AT THE LAST MINUTE.

>> Braude: ANOTHER MATTER NOT RESOLVED IS GOVERNOR BAKER'S EMPTS TO EXPAND-- BEYOND WHAT THEY-- TO COVER THINGS LIKE HUMANITY TRAFFICKING, SEXUAL ABUSE, OF KIDS AND BY THE WAY, I DANGEROUS HEARINGS I ASSUME ARE PRETRIAL DETENTION WAS BAIL BECAUSE ST A SERIOUSNESS OF THE CRIME FOR WHICH YOU ARE CHARGED.

MOST CIVIL RIGHTS GROUP, CIVIL LIBERTY GROUPS OPPOSE THIS CHANGE.

DO YOU SUPPORT IT OR NOT.

>> NO, LOOK, I THINK WE'RE CRIMINALIZING POVERTY.

I THINK THERE IS TOO MUCH PRETRIAL DETENTION AND THAT IT WAS OUTRAGEOUS THAT BAKER TRIED TO TIE THE NO COST PHONE CALL PROVISION TO THAT MEASURE.

SO WE OUGHT TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR PRISONERS TO MAKE PHONE CALLS AND TIE IN THAT DANGEROUS BILL I THOUGHT THAT WAS A REAL.

>> SNATD DEMOCRATS VOTED TO DO IT, DO WHAT GOVERNOR BAKER WANTED BUT NOT IN TIME.

BY SIDE ARE YOU ON.

>> YEAH, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT BAKER'S AMENDMENT AND I HOPE THE LEGISLATURE DOES THE RIGHT THING.

WE'RE NOW DONE FOR THIS SESSION.

>> Braude: WHAT ABOUT YOU, SHOULD THEY HAVE EXPANDED THE DANGEROUS HEARING.

>> I WILL TAKE IT A STEP BACK.

THE REASON I AM RUNNING AS A PUBLIC SERVANT.

I TALK ABOUT MY TWIN BROTHER WHO DIED AS IN A PRETRAIL DETAINEE WHEN HE WAS ONLY 29, SO I THINK YOU HAVE TO STRIKE A BALANCE.

OF COURSE YOU WANT TO KEEP PEOPLE WHO ARE INDEED DANGEROUS FROM HARMING PEOPLE, FROM BEING RELEASED AND GOING OUT ON THE STREETS BUT AT THE SAME TIME I THINK THERE SAY QUESTION AROUND BAIL REFORM.

SOME FOLKS ARE SITTING IN PRISON AND WE KNOW IT AFFECTS POOR PEOPLE, PEOPLE OF COLOR DISPROPORTIONATELY.

YOU NEED TO COUPLE BOTH CONVERSATIONS.

>> SHOULD THIS HAVE BEEN EXPANDED, BY THE WAY, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL TODAY TOLD US ON THE RADIO SHE SUPPORTED THIS.

>> I HEARD HER.

>> SHOULD IT HAVE BEEN EXPANDED OR NOT?

>> I THINK, I WOULDN'T HAVE PUSHED FOR THE EXPANSION AND HAVE I TO SAY, THIS OF COURSE, I HEARD HER ON THE RADIO AND I AM PROUD TO HAVE HER ENDORSEMENT IN THIS RACE.

I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T SAY THAT BUT I THINK YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE DANGEROUSNESS PROCESS BUT AT THE SAME TIME PUSH FOR TRUE BAIL REFORM WHICH I SUPPORT.

>> Braude: I WANT TO ASK ONE MORE BULLY PULPIT QUESTION, NOT FORMALLY WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL BUT BULLY PULPIT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR.

ONE THING THAT ALLEGEDLY-- THE WORK IS THE REALIZATION AT THE LAST MINUTE THAT THERE WAS A LAW PASSED BY THE VOTERS IN 1986 THAT SAID WHEN TAX REVENUE COMES IN ABOVE A CERTAIN LEVEL, THE EXCESS N THIS CASE BAKER SAID $3 BILLION, HAS GOT TO BE RETURNED TO THE TAXPAYERS.

THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE, DEMOCRATIC SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE SAID MAYBE WE SHOULDN'T HONOR THAT, MAYBE SHOULD REPEAL IT THREE CHOICE, HONOR THE VOTERS WILL AND RETURN THE $3 BILLION.

AMEND THE LAW IN SOME FASHION OR REPEAL IT OUTRIGHT AND SPEND THE $3 BILLION ON SOMETHING ELSE, WHAT IS THE RIGHT CHOICE.

>> I THINK STAY LITTLE SUSPICIOUS AND FISHY THAT THIS JUST GOT PULLED OUT AT THE LAST MINUTE.

THE LEGISLATURE HAS BEEN WORKING HARD TO COME UP WITH A BUDGET AND I AGREE THAT MIDDLE CLASS HOUSEHOLDS AND POOR FAMILIES NEED A BREAK BUT I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO SEND $3 BILLION BACK TO EVERYBODY.

OUR PUBLIC SCHOOLS NEED HELP, OUR PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION NEEDS HELP.

SO I-- .

>> Braude: SO YOU WOULD, ST THE LAW, YOU WOULD REPEAL THE LAW.

>> IT IS A LAW THAT APPARENTLY NO ONE REMEMBERED SINCE 1986 SO I THINK WE SHOULD FOCUS ON WHAT OUR NEEDS ARE NOW AND I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD STICK WITH A LAW THAT GOT PASSED FOR DIFFERENT REASONS DECADES AGO.

>> Braude: HOW ABOUT YOU?

>> I KNOW FOLK ARE STRUCK ELLING RIGHT NOW AND MOST AREN'T IAN HAVING A CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR LAW, WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE SAY SENSE OF URGENCY AND ACTION NOT ONLY FROM THE LEGISLATURE, THE GOVERNOR, AND EVERYONE, TO PUT MONEY ACTUALLY IN THEIR POACTS.

THEY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE RISING PRICE OF GAS, THE HOUSING CRISIS.

EVERYTHING YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW IN TERMS OF GOODS, PRICES ARE GOING UP, INCLUDING INSULIN, SO WHAT WILL ACTUALLY PUT MONEY INTO THEIR POCKETS.

AND I THINK THIS IS A CONVERSATION YOU NEED TO TAKE ON THE ROAD.

WHICH I THINK, I GET US FROM TRAITED.

>> Braude: IT IS THE LAW, SHOULD THE LAW BE HONORED OR NOT.

>> MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE THIS S I AGREE WITH LEADING FROM A BOTTOM UP APPROACH.

ASK THE PEOPLE.

YOU ARE ASKING US, BUT ASK THE PEOPLE.

>> Braude: PEOPLE SPOKE IN 1986.

>> 1986, OKAY, THAT WAS TOO FAR AGO.

>> Braude: HOW ABOUT YOU.

>> REPEAL THE LAW AND INVEST IN TRANSPORTATION EDUCATION, AND BUILDING OUR ECONOMY THAT WORKS FOR EVERYONE.

THERE IS AN ORANGE LINE-- TRAIN THAT WAS ON FIRE, SOMEBODY HAD TO JUMP OUT OF IT OUR SCHOOLS ARE DRAMATICALLY UNDERFUND.

WHERE YOU LIVE AND THE COLOR OF YOUR SKIN SHOULDN'T DETERMINE WHAT KIND OF AN EDUCATION YOUR KIDS GET.

WE SHOULD INVEST THAT COMUN IN BUILDING ECONOMY AND SOCIETY.

>> I WANT TO ADD ONE THING.

WE'RE NOT RESOURCE POOR IN MASSACHUSETTS.

WE HAVE INCREDIBLE RESOURCES.

WE LOOK AT THE FEDERAL DOLLARS THAT ARE COMING IN RIGHT NOW TO MASSACHUSETTS TO SOLVE FOR ALL OF THESE INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUES AND SYSTEMIC ISSUES.

THE QUESTION IS ARE WE EXERCISING THE POLITICAL LEADERSHIP AND WITH A SENSE OF URGENCY TO GIVE RESIDENTS WHAT THEY NEED RIGHT NOW SO THEY CAN COME OUT OF COVID THRIVING AND PROSPEROUS.

>> STAYING WITH YOU, WE HAVE LEARNED SOME DIFFERENCES IN THE LAST COUPLE OF MINUTES.

WHAT ARE THE MAJOR ONE OR STOO THINGS BRIEFLY AND SPECIFICALLY, NOT RHETORICALLY THAT SET YOU APART FROM YOUR TWO COLLEAGUES.

>> A FEW THINGS, ONE IS MY PERSONAL NAR TIVMENT I TALK ABOUT HAVING LOST ALL OF MY PARENT, MY BIOLOGICAL PARENTS ARE DISEASED.

MY BIOLOGICAL GRANDPARENTS, MY TWIN BROTHER DIEING IN A PRI SOSH, IN THE CUZ TODAY OF CORRECTION AND SAYING HAVE I LIVED THE VERY CHALLENGES THAT RESIDENTS ARE EXPERIENCING RIGHT NOW AND I WILL DO EVERYTHING IN MY POWER TO MAKE SURE THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE ADDRESSES THOSE WITH A SENSE OF URGESENCEE.

AND I WILL SAY THE CAMPAIGN WE ARE RUNNING, IS PEOPLE POWERED.

ST GRASSROOTS.

I RAISED THE MOST OUT OF ANY CANDIDATE, MY O POINTEDS ARE SEEFERRING MONEY FROM THE STATE WHICH IN THE QUAIS OF QUENTIN, SHANNON IS SELF-FUNDING IN THE MILLIONS TALKING ABOUT SPENDING $12 MILLION.

I'M OUT THERE EARNING THE SUPPORT OF RESIDENTS AND REALLY LOOKING TO BE THE PEOPLE'S ATTORNEY AND OF COURSE TO LEAD THE PEOPLE'S LAW.

>> Braude: TELL ME WHAT SETS AW PART FROM THESE TWO BUT FEEL FREE TO RESPOND TO WHAT AN DREE ALSO SAID.

>> I'M GLAD TO HAVE THE ENDORSEMENT OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, PROUD TO BE A FORMER ASSISTANT ATTORNEY GENERAL AS THE CHIEF OF THE HEALTH CARE DIVISION IN THE AG OFFICE.

I WORKED DIRECTLY IN THAT OFFICE.

MI NOT TAKING SPECIAL INTEREST MONEY, ANDREA HAS BEEN SUPPORTED BY A SUPERPAC IN THE LAST YEAR FUNDED BY JIM WALTON.

>> THAT IS FALSE.

>> WE'LL GET TO YOU IN A SECOND.

>> AND IT IF YOU WANT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL TO BE ABLE TO STAWN AGAINST THE SPECIAL INTERESTS, AN ATTORNEY GENERAL NOT SUPPORTED BY SPECIAL INTEREST.

>> Braude: WHAT ELSE SETS YOU APART.

>> I THINK MY VALUES ARE WHERE THE DEMOCRATTIX PARTY S I SUPPORT MEDICARE FOR ALL, UNLIKE ANDREA CAM BEVMENT I SUPPORT THE CAP ON CHARTER SCHOOL UNLIKE ANDREA, ON SAFE INJECTION SITE, ON RENT CONTROL, ON FAIR FREE HOUSING.

THERE ARE REAL DIFFERENCES IN THIS RACE.

>> Braude: WHAT SETS YOU A PART FROM THE TWO PEOPLE RIGHT HERE, PHYSICALLY.

>> THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT JOB LEADING HUNDREDS OF LAWYERS, REQUIRES A SEASONED ATTORNEY.

I AM WIDELY ANOTHER AS ONE OF THE MOST EFFECTIVE LAWYERS IN THE COUNTRY, HAVE I SPENT MORE THAN 20 YEARS FIGHTING AND WINNING FOR WORKING PEOPLE.

MI PROUD TO HAVE THE ENFORCEMENT OF THE MASSACHUSETTS ASLPIO, MORE THAN 50 INDIVIDUAL UNIONS WHO COLLECTIVELY REPRESENT MORE THAN HALF A MILLION WORKING PEOPLE.

I AM THE ONLY ONE ON THIS STAGE WHO HAS FOR DECADES USED THE LAW, MEES BY PIECE TO MAKE PEOPLE'S LIVES BETTER.

AND YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME STATES THAT REQUIRE AND NORD TO BE AN ATTORNEY GENERAL YOU HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST TEN YEARS EXPERIENCE PRACTICING LAW, IF THAT WAS THE LAW IN MASSACHUSETTS, I WOULD BE THE ONLY ONE ON THE STAGE.

I AM THE ONLY PRACTICING LAWYER IN THIS RACE.

AND I AM THE ONLY ONE WHO HAS RUN A LAW FIRM.

THAT IS WHAT WE NEED FOR THE LEADER, THE NEXT LEADER OF THE PEOPLE'S LAW.

>> QUINN TO A SECOND, DO YOU WANT TO RESPOND TO WHAT QUENTIN HAD TO SAY.

>> THOSE ARE BLATS ANT LIES AND MISINFORMATION.

>> Braude: HOW SO.

>> JIM WALTON, ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE YOU ARE NAMING ARE NOT FUNDING ANYTHING IN THIS RACE.

I'M REALLY PROUD TO HAVE ILES RAD THE MOST MONEY OUT OF ANY CANDIDATE ON THIS STAGE, OVER A MILLION DOLLARS.

ALL FROM INDIVIDUALS.

AND I WILL SAY CLOSE TO 95% OF MY MONEY IS COMING FROM MASSACHUSETTS RESIDENTS THAT ARE INVESTING IN ME AND MY CANDIDACY.

THAT IS NOT TRUE FOR MY OPPONENTS.

AND I WILL JUST ADD, THAT SPEAKS TO WHO I WILL BE ACCOUNTABLE TO, WHICH IS THE PEOPLE.

I RECENTLY PUT MY TAX RECENT TAX RELEASES OUT.

FEDERAL TAX OUT.

>> Braude: I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

>> WHY?

BECAUSE ON THE TRAIL PEOPLE ARE ASKING WHERE IS THE MONEY COMING FROM AND WHAT ACTUALLY IS SUPPORTING THESE CAMPAIGNS.

I AM REALLY PROUD THAT I HAVE BEEN TRANSPARENT.

I CALL ON BOTH OF MY O POINTS TO RELEASE THEIR TAX RETURNS AND I WILL CONTINUE TO BE ACCOUNTABLE TO THE PEOPLE.

AND FRACKLY, BUILDING UPON THE LEADERSHIP OF MORA WHO JUST ENDORSED ME TODAY, TO CONTINUE TO BE THE PEOPLE'S LAWYER AND TO REPRESENT THE PEOPLE'S LAW FIRM, WITH A SENSE OF TRANSPARENCY.

>> Braude: YOU SHOULD CALL DONALD TRUMP ON THAT TAX THING pYOU WANTED TO RESPOND TO SOMETHING SHANNON SAID.

>> I WILL NOT BE CALLING DONALD TRUMP.

>> I DID, YOU SAID ARE YOU THE ROANL PRACTICING LAWSH, HAVE I BEEN A PRACTICING LAWYER FOR 20 YEARS AND BEING AN ASSISTANT ATTORNEY GENERAL IS QUITE DIFFERENT FROM BEING A CLASS ACTION LAWYER.

AND SO THE MONEY ARE YOU SPENDING TO FUND THIS RACE, MANY OF IT, MUCH OF IT HAS COME FROM THOSE CLASS ACTIONER LAWSUITS AND SOME OF THOSE CASES, A JUDGE HAS ORDERED YOU TO REDUCE YOUR FEE, AND I ALSO WONDER.

>> THAT'S NOT CORRECT.

>> I ALSO WONDER WHETHER DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THE ASSISTANT ATTORNEYS GENERAL ARE PRACTICING LAWYERS BECAUSE WHEN YOU SAY WE ARE NOT PRACTICING LAWYERS, YOU UNDERMINE THE WORK THAT THE OFFICE DOES AS WELL AS THE WORK THAT.

>> DO YOU WANT TO RESPOND.

>> THAT'S NOT CORRECT.

AS WE SIT HERE TODAY I AM THE ONLY ONE ON THE STAGE WHO IS A PRACTICING LAWYER.

LAST TIME I CHECKED I AM THE ONLY ONE WHO CURRENTLY HAS MALPRACTICE INSURANCE WHICH IS WHAT YOU NEED IN ORDER TO BE A PRACTICING LAWYER.

I HAVE MORE THAN 23 YEARS EXPERIENCE FIGHTING AND WINNING FOR WORKING PEOPLE.

HAVE I WON SEVEN LANDMARK APPEALS AT THE MASSACHUSETTS SJC.

MI THE ONLY ONE ON THE STAGE WHO HAS WON JURY TRIALS, ARGUED AND WON APPEALS THAT HAVE PUT MONEY BACK IN PEOPLE'S POACTS AND MADE PEOPLE'S LIVES BETTER.

I AM PROUD OF THE MORE THAN HALF A BILLION DOLLARS HAVE I RECOVERED IN STOLEN WAGES OF WORKING PEOPLE.

>> I WON A JURY TRIAL ONCE TOO.

>> I WANT TO RESPOND TO SOMETHING ANDREA SAID.

IF YOU ARE NOT TAKING SUPERPAC MONEY, WHY HAVEN'T YOU SIGNED THE PEOPLE'S PLEDGE.

WHY DID YOU PUT A RED BOX UP ON YOUR WEBSITE AND WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE CONFLICTS OF INTEREST THAT COME FROM YOUR RECENT CONTRIBUTIONS FROM THOSE PEOPLE.

SO IF REED HASTINGS GAVE YOU $250,000 TO A SUPERPAC THAT WAS IN SUPPORT OF YOUR MAYOR'S RACE, IF YOU WANT TO TAKE ON NETFLIX, YOU ARE GOING TO BE RECUSED FROM THOSE MATTERS BECAUSE OF THAT RECENT-- JNS LET'S GET A RESPONSE.

>> ALL OF THAT IS ABSURD.

I'M TALKING ABOUT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL RACE, THAT IS WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, RATIONED THE MOST OUT OF ANY CANDIDATE ON THIS STAGE, OVER A MILLION DOLLARS, FROM MASSACHUSETTS, MOSTLY MASSACHUSETTS RESIDENTS.

THE ONLY ORGANIZATION THAT RIGHT NOW IS SUPPORTING THIS RACE, THE ENVIRONENTAL-- ACTION FUND AND MI PROUD TO HAVE THE ENDORSEMENT.

I THINK IS HYPOCRITICAL.

>> SO WILL YOU SIGN THE PEOPLE'S PLEDGE WRNLS I THINK IT IS HYPOCRITICAL THAT QUENTIN AND SHANNON WHO BOTH PARTICIPATED IN THAT PROCESS WHICH SAY DAUNTING ONE AND DID NOTER THEIR SUPPORT, DID NOT EARN THEIR SUPPORT, I DID.

BUT NOW THEY ARE CALLING ME OUT.

TEND OF THE DAY WHAT PEOPLE ARE FOCUSING ON IS THE FACT WE HAVE AN A UPON ON THE SHAN OBJECT WHO IS SPENDS CLOSE TO MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, SPEAK BEING SEND SPENDING $12 MILLION OF HER OWN MONEY AND I'M GETTING OUT TO EARN THE SUPPORT OF THE VOTERS AND TO ASK THEM TO INVEST IN MY CANDIDACY.

I'M NOT RECEIVING MONEY FROM THE STATE AND I'M NOT, I DON'T HAVE MILLIONS TO PUT IN MY CAMPAIGN.

>> Braude: QUN TIN, I THINK THERE WOULD BE AGREEMENT THAT RACISM IS-- SOME PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT ATTORNEY GENERALS CAN ONLY DEAL WITH RACISM ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.

SOME BELIEVE IT CAN ANDUS BE DEALT WITH SYSTEMICALLY.

IF YOU BELIEVE IN THE LATTER, GIVE ME ONE CONCRETE EXAMPLE OF WHAT YOU WOULD DO AS ATTORNEY GENERAL TO SYSTEMICALLY DEAL WITH PROBLEMS OF RACISM.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT PER VAIDS ALL OF OUR SOCIETY, ALL OF THE WORK OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE.

I WAS THE CHIEF OF THE HEALTH CARE DIVISION IN THE AJ OFFICE.

I WAS THE A SWRRKS' REPRESENTATIVE ON THE RACIAL DISPARITY COUNSEL IN THE HEALTH-CARE SECTOR.

WE HAVE HUGE DISPARITIES IN THE HEALTH-CARE SECTOR IN TERMS OF ACCESS TO HEALTH CARE, OUTCOMES.

>> WHAT DO YOU DO ABOUT IT.

>> I THINK THAT YOU HAVE TO STAND UP AND TAKE ON THOSE CASES.

YOU HAVE TO REPRESENT THE PEOPLE'S INTEREST IN A NUMBER OF THE HEALTH POLICIES, RESPONSIBILITIES.

THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I AM SUMP A STRONG BELIEVER IN MEDICARE FOR ALL, WHICH THE DIFFERENCE WITH ANDREA I THINK THAT EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE HEALTH CARE AS A HUMAN RIGHT.

>> Braude: DO YOU SUPPORT MEDICARE.

>> I THINK IT SAY NATIONAL ISSUE.

I DO NOT LIKE TO PROMISE VOTERS SOMETHING WE KNOW WE CANNOT DELIVER ON.

>> CAN I FINISH.

>> HE'S TALKING ABOUT SIJ PAY POR-- PAYOR.

THAT IS NOT THE ISSUE.

WE ARE NEARLY UNIVERSALLY COVERED WITH 98 PERCENT OF FOLKS COVERED.

RIGHT NOW THE QUESTION OF HEALTH CARE IS AROUND QUALITY OF CARE, IT IS ABOUT COST, IT IS ABOUT ACCESSIBILITY.

I WILL BE AN AG THAT ASSISTS AT A NATIONAL TABLE WITH AG'S ACROSS THE COUNTRY TO PUSH FOR SINGLE PAY POR, RIGHT NOW AS VERMONT IT DIDN'T WORK, I WILL PROMISE THINGS THAT I KNOW I CAN DELIVER.

>> Braude: LET'S GO BACK TO RACISM F YOU FREEL IT CAN BE DEALT WITH SYSTEMICALLY TELL US HOW.

>> IT CAN BE.

I AM THE ONLY CANDIDATE ON THIS STAGE WHO HAS BEEN FIGHTING SYSTEMIC RACISM THROUGH MIGHT CAREER IN THE COURTS.

I HAVE BEEN A CIVIL RIGHTS LAWYER.

HAVE I TAKEN ON CASES AND HAVE I WON MAJOR VICTORIES.

>> Braude: HOW ABOUT AS ATTORNEY GENERAL.

>> AND THAT IS WHAT I WILL DO AS ATTORNEY GENERAL.

>> Braude: HOW.

>> I THINK MORE EMPHASIS CAN BE PUT ON THE CIVIL RIGHTS DIVISION AND I THINK THAT WE CAN APPROACH FIGHTING DISCRIMINATION ON A SYSTEMIC LEVEL.

HAVE I TAKEN ON THE STATE FOR ITS DISCRIMINATORY USE OF CIVIL SERVICE EXAMS AND BASED ON MY WORK I GOT BLACK AND BROWN FIREFIGHTERS AND POLICE OFFICERS HIRED ACROSS MASSACHUSETTS.

HAVE I TAKEN ON UBER FOR HIS DISCRIMINATORY PRACTICES, FOR ITS CUSTOMER RATING SYSTEM WHICH DISPARATELY IMPACTS BLACK AND BROWN DRIVERS, THAT IS THE TYPE OF WORK I WILL DO.

>> Braude: AS ATTORNEY IF IT IS SYSTEMIC WIVE US-- GIVE US AS AN EXAMPLE.

>> I WILL TAKE A STEP BACK.

AS A PERSON WHO FITS ON THIS GENDER AND SKIN I DON'T HAVE THE LUXURY OF NOT, MY OPPONENTS OFTEN LIST RACIAL DISPARIS THE AS ONE OF THE THREE, THAT WOULD BE THE NORM, EVERYTHING THE OFFICE WOULD DO WOULD BE THROUGH A RACIAL EQUITY LENS BUILDING ON THE LEADERSHIP OF MOIRA BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY THAT IS THE NORM OF WHAT THE OFFICE SHOULD BE DOING EVERY SINGLE DAY, LOOKING AT ALL THE SYSTEMS WITH RACIAL DISSIPATER.

I WOULD PRIORITIZE PRISON REFORM, CRIMINAL LEGAL REFORM AND REALLY TAKING ON CERTAIN DEPARTMENTS LIKE THE DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS TO MAKE IT MORE TRANSPARENT AND ACCOUNTABLE.

>> SPEAKING OF PRISONS AND RACISM, SHAWN DRUMGOLD DIED RECENTLY.

14 YEARS IN PRISON.

AFTER THAT IT TOOK HIM 12 YEARS, ALMOST AS LONG AS HE WAS IN PRISON TO GET COMPENSATION.

ON THE STAGE A FEW WEEKS AGO SHAWN ELISE, 22 YEAR, VICTOR ROSARIO, 32 YEARS TALKED ABOUT HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO LIVE EVEN WHEN ARE YOU FREE AFTER HAVING BEEN WRONGLY CON 1REUBG9D.

THE REASON IT TAKES SO LONG IS BECAUSE PLACES LIKE BOSTON, LIKE THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE STAND IN THE WAY OF QUICK COMPENSATION, QUICKLY, WHAT DO YOU DO TO CHANGE THAT IF ANYTHING.

>> NOT UNDER MY LEADERSHIP.

URGENCY ABSOLUTELY.

WHEN I TALK ABOUT CRIMINAL LEGAL REFORM THIS IS ONE SET OF ISSUES I WOULD FOCUS ON AND YOU MENTIONED SHAWN, HIS MOTHER LIVERED IN MY DISTRICT WHEN I WAS ON THE CITY COUNCIL IN BOSTON, WHEN SHE PASSED WE DID A HUGE CELEBRATION TO CELEBRATE HER ALONG WITH HER CHILDREN SO I KNOW SHAWN AND THE FAMILY, THIS IS AN ISSUE.

>> Braude: HOW WOULD YOU EXPEDITE COMPENSATION FOR PEOPLE WRONGLY CONVICT, ALMOST ALL OF WHOM ARE BLACK.

>> IT IS SO BUREAUCRATIC.

THE PROCESS PUTS THE ONUS ON THEM.

AND I THINK WE CAN CHANGE THE POLICIES AND PRACTICES, REGULATIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS EASIER FOR THEM TO GET THAT COMPENSATION AND JUSTICE.

>> QUENTIN.

>> THAT IS RIGHT, YOU NEED THE AG OFFICE, QUITING, TO FREE THIS MONEY.

THE MURDER OF GORNLINGS FLOYD AND THE KYLE RIT ENHOUSE VERDICT ARE RECENT REMINDER THERE ARE TWO JUSTICE SYSTEMS IN AMERICA.

AND WE NEED TO USE THE AG'S OFFICE URGENTLY TOWARD MORSE CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM, TOWARDS POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY, PARTICULARLY CORRUPTION AND MISMANAGEMENT IN THE STATE POLICE AND MORE OVERSIGHT OF THE CORRECTIONS SYSTEM WHICH IS DEEPLY IN NEED OF REPAIR.

>> COULD YOU EXPEDITE.

WOULD YOU EXPEDITE.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

AGAIN I'M THE ONLY CANDIDATE SITTING HERE AT THIS TABLE WHO HAS THE EXPERIENCE OF USING THE LEGAL SYSTEM TO GET MONEY BACK IN PEOPLE'S POCKETS.

MILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND HAVE I BEEN IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE ACLU FORRIERS ABOUT THIS VERY ISSUE, BECAUSE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN WRONGFULLY CONVICTED DESERVE COMPENSATION AND DESERVE ST RIGHT AWAY.

THE DRUG LAB SCANDAL IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WHO HAD THEIR RECORDS MARRED FOR NOZ, AND THEIR RECORDS SHOULD BE EXPUNGED.

THE ACLU DID A FABULOUS JOB GETTING PEOPLE OUT OF JAIL BUT PEOPLE SHOULD BE COMPENSATED FOR WHAT THEY HAVE GOT ENON THEIR RECORDS AND FOR YEAR, FOR THE LIVES TAKEN AWAY, I WOULD USE THE LEGAL SYSTEM TO MAKE SURE THAT THE AG'S OFFICE IS ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE ISSUES.

HAVE I SEEN THE AG'S OFFICE HOLD UP THESE KIENLDS OF ISSUES.

>> YOU MENTION THE THE CLIMATE ENDORSEMENT BEFORE, ALL THREE OF YOU TALKED ABOUT CLIMATED, THE CAMPAIGN, THE WEBSITE, THAT KIND OF THING, TWO SPECIFICS, THERE IS A PEAK POWER PLANT IN PEABODY, GAS AND DECEMBER IL FUELED POWER PLANT IN ME DODDEE.

THERE IS THE WEYMOUTH COMPRESSOR, THE GAS COMPRESSOR WHAT IS YOUR POSITION ON BOTH OF THESE THINGS.

>> FIGHT T THIS HAS COME UP BEFORE, THE WORK CROSSES THE STATE, I HEARD OUR AG TALKING ABOUT IT, WHOLE TECH HAS COME UP.

I WAS MEETING WITH RES DON'TS AND BUSINESS OWNERS WITH RESPECT TO THAT ISSUE.

THE CONSTRUCTIVE FEEDBACK HAVE I GOTTEN IS MOIRA HAS DONE A GREAT JOB, BALANCED THE NATIONAL RESPONSE ON CLIMATE, TAKE ON THE EXXONMOBILE AND LOOK AT OTHER BAD ACTORS BUT ALSO FOCUS LOCALLY ON MAKING SURE WE ARE PROTECTING PEOPLE'S AIR, WATER AND OF COURSE THEIR ENVIRONMENT.

>> WEYMOUTH AND PEABODY.

>> I MENTIONED MY CONVENTION SPEECH, I AM FIRMLY AGAINST THEM, PROUD TO HAVE THE ENDORSEMENT OF THE SIERRA CLUB AND.

>> HOW BUT.

>> WE NEED TO FIGHT THEM AND AGAIN I'M THE ONLY CANDIDATE UP HERE WHO KNOWS HOW TO USE THE LEGAL SYSTEM TO DO THAT.

HAVE I TAKEN ON THE BIGGEST CORPORATIONS IN AMERICA AND HAVE I WON.

BIG POLLUTERS NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.

WE HAVE SOME GOOD LAWS HERE IN MASSACHUSETTS TO HELP FIGHT CLIMATE CHANGE BUT LAWS DON'T ENFORCE THEMSELVES.

WE NEED A SEASONED ATTORNEY WHO KNOWS HOW TO LIED THE PEOPLE'S LAW FIRM TO GET WHERE WE NEED TO BE ON CLIMATE CHANGE.

>> I WANT TO GO BACK AND I THINK QUENTIN STARTED THERE, THIS SUGGESTION WE DON'T HAVE LEGAL EXPERIENCE OR BACKGROUND.

WE ALL KOSM WITH A LEGAL BACKGROUND THAT IS UNIQUE AND DISTINCT.

AND IF FOR EXAMPLE I DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH EXPERIENCE, MORA HALEY WOULDN'T HAVE ENDORSED ME, SCOTT HARSHBARGER WOULD NOT, MARTHA COAKLEY, SCWHRIM SHANNON, ALL ARE SUPPORTING MY CANDIDACY BECAUSE THEY KNOW NOT ONLY DO VIT LEGISLATIVE BACKGROUND BUT THE LEGAL BACKGROUND.

AND THIS IDEA THAT WE ARE NOT FOR THE PEOPLE, WE ARE.

SHANNON AND QUENTIN MENTIONED THIS EARLIER.

THERE ARE TROUBLING CASES IN WHICH SHE HAS ACTUALLY BEEN HER SETMENTS INCLUDING IN THE CONTEXT OF UBER BEEN REJECTED.

A FEDERAL JUDGE SAID I'M REJECTING YOUR SETMENT BECAUSE IT IS NOT FAIR, REASONABLE, ADEQUATE.

WHY?

BECAUSE SHE WAS GOING TO GIVE 25 MILLION DOLLARS AND THE DRIVER WAS GOING GET $100.

>> I WILL HOLD TO YOU DO YOU WANT TO RESPOND.

>> THAT IS A THISHED AND A MISCHARACTERIZATION OF WHAT HAPPENED.

MI PROWFD THE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS I HAVE GOTTEN BACK IN THE POCKETS OF WORKING PEOPLE.

AND MI VERY PROUD TO HAVE THE SUPPORT OF UNIONS THAT REPRESENT MORE THAN A HALF A MILLION WORKING PEOPLE.

WE HAVE A PEOPLE POWERED CAMPAIGN, THAT IS WHO I AM BEHOLDEN TO, THAT IS WHO I HAVE SPENT MY LIFE FIGHTING AND WINNING FOR AND THAT IS WHO IS SUPPORTING THIS.

>> I GOT TO MOVE AHEAD.

WE ARE SHORT ON TIME.

ANOTHER ISSUE YOU HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT IS HOUSING.

WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO GO THROUGH A FULL SPECTRUM OF THINGS, AT THE TOP OF THE LIST FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE INCLUDING MAYOR WU IS WHAT SHE CALLED RENT STABLIZATION AND RENT CONTROL.

NOT A STATEWIDE RETURN BUT A LOCAL OPTION, RENT CONTROL FOR INDIVIDUAL COMPANIES COULD OPT IN YOU BUT THE LEGISLATURE WOULD HAVE TO PASS IT, WHERE ARE YOU ON THAT?

>> YES, ABSOLUTELY, COMMUNITIES SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO PASS RENT CONTROL.

THE COSTING OF HOUSING IS SKYROCKETING.

FAMILIES CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY THEIR BASIC EXPENSES OR HOUSING HAD.

HOUSING IS AND SHOULD BE A HUMAN RIGHT AND IT NEEDS TO BE AFFORDABLE AND PEOPLE NEED TO HAVE THE ABILITY IN THEIR COMMUNITIES TO DECIDE IF CENT CONTROL IS RIGHT NOR THEM.

>> HOW BUT.

>> ABSOLUTELY IN FAVOR OF RENTS CONTROL.

RENT IS TOO HIGH BUT THIS SNORE REASON WHY SUPERPACS ARE SO DANGEROUS BECAUSE THERE IS A DEVELOPERS THAT JUST GIVE MONEY TO SUPERPACS.

AND THAT CREATES A CONFLICT THAT MAKES IT HARDER FOR HER TO TAKE ON.

>> IT DOES NOT.

>> WHERE ARE YOU ON THE RENT CONTROL.

>> I'M ACCOUNTABLE TO THE PEOPLE AND I ALWAYS HAVE, I HAVE ALWAYS LED THAT WAY.

WHEN IT COMES TO RENT CONTROL, RENT STABLE GLAIRKS EVEN SAFE INJECTION SITES, AS AN AJ I WOULD NOT STAND IN THE WAY OF LOCAL MUNICIPALITIES THAT FOUGHT AND FOR THOSE.

>> DOES THAT MEAN YOU SUPPORT THEM OR WOULDN'T STAND IN THE WAY.

>> I WOULD NOT STAND IN THE WAY OF THEM, AT ALL.

I WOULD NOT STAND IN THE WAY OF THEM.

AND I HAVE BEEN REALLY CRYSTAL CLEAR, LIKE MY CONVERSATIONS CONVERSATIONS WITH SOMERVILLE THEY ARE LOOKING AT SAFE INJECTION SITES, I WOULD NOT STAND IN THE WAY, I WOULD ENFORCE THOSE LAWS.

>> QUICK RESPONSE.

>> THERE ARE DIFFERENCES IN THIS RACE IN TERMS OF OUR ANSWERS TO QUESTION ON SAFE INJECTION SITES, ON SINGLE PAYOR HEALTH CARE AND EXPANDING CHARTER SCHOOL, ON RENT CONTROL.

THIS IS NOT A RACE WE AGREE ON THE POLICIES BUT A RACE WHERE THERE ARE RESPECTFULLY SIGNIFICANT POLICIES.

>> I THINK IT WAS IN 1986 TOM MENINON AND MAYOR BOSS-- SAID IF IN FOUR YEARS ITS SCHOOLS ARE NOT IMPROVE READY, JUDGE ME HARSHLY.

WHAT SHOULD WE JUDGE YOU AS ATTORNEY GENERAL HARELY ON IN FOUR YEARS IF YOU VRCHLT ACCOMPLISHED THAT ONE GOAL WHAT IS IT?

>> WELL, I HAD SPENT MY CAREER FIGHTING AND DEVELOPING THE LAW IN FAVOR OF WORKING PEOPLE.

I HAVE HELD CORPORATIONS ACCOUNTABLE.

THERE IS A LOT MORE THAT WE CAN DO FROM THE AG'S OFFICE TO MAKE SURE THAT WORKING PEOPLE GET EVERY PENNY THAT THEY'RE OWED AND GET IT BACK RIGHT AWAY I PLAN TO SET UP A FUND SO WORKING PEOPLE WHO HAVE HAD THEIR WAGES CAN GET PAID RIGHT AWAY.

HOLD ME KBILITY, SO I IMPROVE THE ELECTION OF GO-- COLLECTION OF GOING AFTER EMPLOYERS WHO BREAK THE LAWS.

>> JUDGE TOO HARSHLY?

>> WE NEED TO FIGHT BACK AGAINST THE SUPREME COURT ON REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS AND LGBTQ RIGHTS AND GUN VIOLENCE, LEAD WHERE CONGRESS IS FAILING TO LEAD ON CLIMATE CRISIS, ON GUNS ON RACIAL INJUSTICE AND OUR DEMOCRACY THAT IS UNDER ATTACK.

AN ARMED MOB STORMED THE CAPITOL.

AND THE ONLY PLACE WHERE WE ARE REBUILD OUR DEMOCRACY IS AT THE STATE LEVEL.

>> HOW DO WE JUDGE YOU HARSHLY IF YOU HAVEN'T ACCOMPLISHED THIS GOAL.

>> MAKING THE OFFICE REALLY ACCESSIBLE TO FOLKS INCLUDING BERK SHIRE COUNTEE.

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE PEOPLE'S LAWYER, PEOPLE'S LAW FIRM THAT IS EXACTLY, I AM THE PEOPLE'S LAWYER BUT THERE ARE MANY WHO DON'T HAVE A CLUE WHAT THIS OFFICE IS, STILL DESCRIBED AS THE TOP COP.

REALLY TRULY REBRANDING IT, PEOPLE'S LAWYER, PEOPLE'S LAW FIRM.

AND LEGAL REFORM >> Braude: ANDREA CAMPBELL, QUENTIN PALFREY, SHANNON LISS-RIORDAN THANKS.

THAT'S IT FOR TONIGHT.

ONCE AGAIN, PRIMARY ELECTION DAY IS TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 6.

AND COME BACK TOMORROW FOR THE NEXT DEBATE IN OUR SERIES: DEMOCRATS TAMI GOUVEIA, ERIC LESSER AND KIM DRISCOLL WILL FACE OFF IN THE RACE FOR LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR.

AND THEN NEXT WEEK, THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES FOR STATE AUDITOR WILL DEBATE ON MONDAY, AND THEN THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES FOR SECRETARY OF THE COMMONWEALTH NEXT WEDNESDAY.

THE "BOSTON GLOBE," WCVB AND WBUR ARE ALSO HOLDING A SERIES OF PRIMARY RADIO DEBATES STARTING THIS WEDNESDAY, TRY TO MAKE TIME FOR THEM ALL.

FOR NOW, THANKS FOR WATCHING, GOOD NIGHT.

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