>> Braude: THERE HAVE BEEN MANY APOLOGIES GONE WRONG OVER THE YEARS, ESPECIALLY SINCE THE ME-TOO MOVEMENT PICKED UP STEAM.

BUT NEW YORK'S ANDREW CUOMO HAS PROVEN HIMSELF TO BE IN A LEAGUE OF HIS OWN, SAYING HE TAKES FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR HIS ACTIONS JUST MINUTES AFTER HIS LAWYER BLAMES EVERYONE ELSE FOR HER CLIENT'S TRAVAILS.

MANAGEMENT PROFESSOR TINA OPIE AND AUTHOR JEN DEADERICK WILL TELL US JUST HOW WRONG HE GOT IT AND THEN SHARE TIPS FOR GETTING IT RIGHT.

THEN, LATER, A LOCAL DOCTOR FIGHTING FOR STRONGER ETHICS RULES TO KEEP TOP HOSPITAL EXECUTIVES FROM RAKING IN BIG MONEY ON CORPORATE BOARDS -- SOMETIMES MILLIONS -- WHILE WALLOWING IN CONFLICTS OF INTEREST, ALL EXPOSED BY "THE BOSTON GLOBE."

AND, FINALLY, MAKEEBA McCREARY, JUST APPOINTED THE FIRST-EVER PRESIDENT OF THE NEW COMMONWEALTH RACIAL EQUITY AND SOCIAL JUSTICE FUND.

♪♪ >> Braude: AS I MENTIONED AT THE START OF YESTERDAY'S SHOW, TO SAY ANDREW CUOMO'S SO-CALLED APOLOGY WAS LACKING WOULD BE AN UNDERSTATEMENT OF EPIC PROPORTIONS.

SOMEHOW, AFTER BEING WILDLY CRITICIZED FOR HIS FIRST DEFIANT AND, FRANKLY, TONE-DEAF RESPONSE TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S FINDING THAT HE SEXUALLY HARASSED 11 WOMEN AND ASSAULTED TWO OF THEM, THE SOON-TO-BE-EX-GOVERNOR DECIDED TO DOUBLE DOWN IN ONE OF THE WORST APOLOGIES FOR MISBEHAVIOR I'VE EVER HEARD.

AS HE CLAIMED TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY IN ONE BREATH, HE REFERRED TO HIMSELF AS THE VICTIM IN THE NEXT.

HE REMINDED US HE WAS A FATHER OF DAUGHTERS AND REALLY ONLY APOLOGIZED FOR OFFENDING WOMEN, WHICH ARE TWO OF THE WORST APOLOGY WORKAROUNDS THERE ARE.

BUT MOST INSULTING OF ALL, HE TROTTED OUT HIS LAWYER AHEAD OF HIM TO DISCREDIT THOSE WHO SPOKE OUT.

>> I TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR MY ACTIONS.

THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ALLEGED IMPROPER CONDUCT AND CONCLUDING SEXUAL HARASSMENT.

THAT IS NOT TO SAY THAT THERE ARE NOT 11 WOMEN WHO I TRULY OFFENDED; THERE ARE, AND FOR THAT I DEEPLY, DEEPLY APOLOGIZE.

>> I DON'T MEAN TO TAKE AWAY FROM HOW THIS WOMAN FELT, BUT WE DO NEED TO THINK ABOUT QUALITATIVELY WHAT EACH OF THE WOMEN ARE SAYING AND WHETHER THESE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT ARE IMPEACHABLE OFFENSES.

THE COMPLAINANTS NEEDED TO BE SCRUTINIZED JUST AS MUCH AS THE GOVERNOR AND THE CHAMBER.

>> I ACCEPT FULL RESPONSIBILITY.

I TRULY BELIEVE IT IS POLITICALLY MOTIVATED.

>> Braude: WHICH IS IT?

YOU TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY OR IT'S POLITICALLY MOTIVATED?

I'M HONESTLY SURPRISED THE TERM "WITCH HUNT" DIDN'T COME UP.

BUT THE MANY WAYS PEOPLE MANAGE TO MANGLE APOLOGIES HAS LONG BEEN A PERSONAL OBSESSION OF MINE.

SO JOINING ME WITH THEIR TAKE ON CUOMO YESTERDAY, PLUS A FEW TIPS ON HOW TO GENUINELY SAY YOU'RE SORRY, ARE TINA OPIE, VISITING SCHOLAR AT HARVARD BUSINESS SCHOOL AND FOUNDER OF OPIE CONSULTING GROUP, AND JEN DEADERICK, AUTHOR OF "SHE THE PEOPLE: AN ILLUSTRATED HISTORY OF WOMEN'S CITIZENSHIP."

>> Braude: IT IS GREAT TO SEE YOU BOTH AGAIN.

THANKS FOR BEING HERE.

>> THANKS FOR HAVING US.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Braude: TINA, STARTING WITH YOU, DID HE GET ANYTHING RIGHT, OTHER THAN THE RESIGNATION?

>> I DON'T THINK SO, JIM.

I READ THROUGH THE TRANSPLANTTRANSCRIPT AND REWATCHED THE VIDEO, AND IN TERMS OF VICTIM BLAMING, HE DID THAT.

AND HE TALKED ABOUT HOW HE CROSSED THE LINE, BUT THE LINE HAD BEEN REDRAWN.

BASED ON MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE COMPLAINTS FROM THE WOMEN, I DON'T THUNDERING THINK THAT IS EVER APPROPRIATE BEHAVIOR.

I GET WHAT HE MEANS.

I'M FROM THE SOUTH.

I HUG PEOPLE.

BUT I'M NOT GOING TO RUB SOMEBODY'S ARM IN A PARTICULAR WAY -- >> OR TRACE THEIR SHIRTS.

>> Braude: IT DIDN'T STOP WITH THE ARM, BY THE WAY.

SPEAKING OF THE RULES CHANGING, HE SIGNED THE RULE-CHANGING INTO LAW.

HERE IS A LITTLE WHAT HE SAID ON THAT VERY SUBJECT.

>> Governor: IN MY MIND, I'VE NEVER CROSSED THE LINE WITH ANYONE.

BUT I DIDN'T REALIZE THE EXTENT TO WHICH THE LINE HAS BEEN REDRAWN.

THERE IS AN INTELLIGENT DISCUSSION TO BE HAD ON GENDER-BASED ACTIONS, ON GENERATIONAL AND CULTURAL BEHAVIORAL DIFFERENCES, BUT THE POLITICAL ENVIRONMENT IS TOO HOT, AND IT IS TOO REACTIONARY FOR THAT NOW.

AND IT IS UNFORTUNATE.

>> Braude: SO, JEN, WHAT'S YOUR VERDICT?

[LAUGHTER] >> HE JUST IS REMINDING US THAT HE GREW UP AS THE SON OF A GOVERNOR, AND HAS A LOT OF ENTITLEMENT, I THINK.

YEAH, THE IDEA OF A CULTURAL -- THERE WAS A TIME WHEN YOU CALLED A WOMAN SWEETIE, AND NOW YOU WOULD BE MAYBE YOU SHOULDN'T DO THAT.

THIS ISN'T THAT.

THIS IS, YOU KNOW, REALLY SEXUAL THINGS AND BULLYING.

I THINK THE OTHER PART IS THAT HE IS A BULLY.

HE IS NOT AFFECTIONATE IN IT.

WHEN HE KEEPS REFERRING TO IT AS AFFECTION, THAT'S NOT WHAT IT IS.

IT IS A BULLYING THING THAT HE DOES, AND HE IS KNOWN FOR IT ACROSS THE BOARD.

I THINK THAT'S WHY PEOPLE ARE SAYING IT IS RIDICULOUS HE IS TRYING TO JUSTIFY IT.

>> Braude: IF I MAY QUOTE MYSELF, FOR THOSE WHO DIDN'T SEE THE WHOLE THING, IT WAS ORCHESTRATED IN SUCH A WAY THAT HIS LAWYER BLAMED EVERYBODY ELSE BEFORE HE ALLEGEDLY TOOK RESPONSIBILITY MINUTES LATER.

PROFESSOR OPIE, IF I MAY, I'M GUESSING SOMEWHERE IN YOUR COURSE WORK YOU TEACH -- A LOT OF BOOKS HAVE BEEN WRITTEN, I'VE READ A LOT OF THEM, ACTUALLY, ON HOW TO DO AN APOLOGY APPROPRIATELY, TO DEMONSTRATE THAT YOU MEAN ITMENT WHAT AREIT.

WHAT ARE SOME OF THE ELEMENTS FOR AN APOLOGY TO BE REAL AND TO BE ACCEPTED.

>> THE WHOLE IDEA IS TO RESTORE THE VICTIM, THE PERSON YOU TRANSGRESSED.

FIRST OF ALL, YOU HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE HARM.

YOU HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YOU HAVE ACTUALLY DONE SOMETHING INCORRECT.

YOU NEED TO BE CLEAR ABOUT WHAT THAT IS.

YOU NEED TO BE CLEAR ABOUT HOW IT HAS HARMED THE INDIVIDUAL.

AND YOU NEED TO TURN AROUND.

YOU NEED TO TALK ABOUT HOW YOU WILL NEVER ENGAGE IN THAT BEHAVIOR AGAIN.

AND HERE IS THE FINAL STEP THAT I SEE A LOT OF POLITICIANS AND CORPORATE LEADERS AVOID: YOU STILL HAVE TO MAKE SOME FORM OF RESTITUTION.

AND HERE IS THE HARD PART: THAT IS DETERMINED BY THE VICTIM, NOT YOU.

YOU DON'T GET TO SAY, WELL, I DON'T THINK THIS RISES TO THE LEVEL WHERE I HAVE TO QUIT.

THEY GET TO SAY, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU QUIT.

MAYBE YOU LOSE YOUR JOB.

MAYBE YOU HAVE PRISON TIME.

BECAUSE THE RESTORATIVE JUSTICE APPLIES TO AN ARRAY OF SITUATIONS.

THEN YOU NEED TO CHECK BACK IN WITH THE VICTIM.

AND, BY THE WAY, THE VICTIM MAY NOT WANT TO ENGAGE IN RESTORATIVE JUSTICE WITH YOU AT ALL BECAUSE IT REQUIRES A RECIPROCAL PROCESS.

SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE KEY ELEMENTS, JIM.

>> Braude: I THINK HE SLEPT IN THROUGH THAT CLASS, AS FAR AS I CAN TELL.

JEN, DO YOU BUY TINA'S EXAMPLE?

>> I THINK SHE IS WRITE.

HE IS SORT OF A STARK EXAMPLE OF THE OPPOSITE.

THE IDEA THAT -- I DO, IN THE LEGAL JUSTICE SENSE, OF COURSE, IN THE COURTS, THE VICTIM THEMSELVES DOESN'T DETERMINE THE PUNISHMENT; IT IS THE COURTS WHO DO.

SO -- BUT, OF COURSE, WE'RE TALKING IN THIS CASE OF -- THIS IS SOMEONE WHO IS A PUBLIC SERVANT, RIGHT?

WHO IS SUPPOSED TO BE SEIVEING ALL OFSERVING ALL OF THE CITIZENS OF NEW YORK, INCLUDING THE PEOPLE WHO WORK FOR HIM.

AND THIS IS REALLY HIS JOB.

HE SIGNED A BILL THAT SAID THIS IS A LAW OF HOW PEOPLE CAN BE TREATED, SO HE KNEW EXACTLY HOW HIS CITIZENS WANTED HIM TO BEHAVE, AND HE DIDN'T BEHAVE LIKE THAT.

AND -- >> Braude: TINA, BACK TO THE SORT OF REPAIR, REPARATIONS OR RESTITUTION PART OF THIS, THE VICTIMS, PRIMARILY, WERE THE 11 WOMEN.

BUT THERE WERE ALSO THE PEOPLE OF NEW YORK, WHO HE WAS CHARGED WITH SERVING HONOURABLY.

HOW DO YOU MAKE RESTITUTION, OTHER THAN RESIGNING, TO THOSE PEOPLE?

>> THERE HAVE BEEN INSTANCES -- I DON'T WANT TO BRING UP CERTAIN STORIES BECAUSE I KNOW THEY'RE CONTROVERSIAL.

BUT THERE ARE INSTANCES WHERE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN SERVING HAVE LEFT THE POSITION, BUT THEN HAVE PRIVATELY AND QUIETLY ENGAGED IN PROGRAMS, NON-PROFIT, VOLUNTEERED, DONATED MONEY.

I THINK IF YOU CAN DO THOSE THINGS OVER SEVERAL YEARS, THAT REALLY SUGGESTS AN ACTUAL CHARACTER CHANGE.

BUT IF YOU'RE DOING IT BEHIND THE PODIUM TO LET EVERYONE KNOW, THAT FAILS THE SMELL TEST.

>> Braude: STARTING WITH YOU, JEN, CHUCK TODD, FROM "BEAT THE PRESS", SAID, AND I'M PARAPHRASING, IF HE GETS THIS RIGHT, HE HAS A CHANCE OF A SECOND ACT IN A POLITICAL LIFE.

BY THE WAY, HE WAS NOT ADVOCATING FOR IT.

HE WAS JUST SAYING IT IS NOT UNHEARD OF, FOR WRONG-DOERS TO GET A SECOND OPPORTUNITY.

BASED ON YESTERDAY, JEN, STARTING WITH YOU, IS THAT POSSIBLE FOR THIS GUY?

>> I THINK IF HE WASN'T IN A STATE LIKE NEW YORK, IF HE WAS IN A STATE THAT WASN'T ALWAYS IN THE NATIONAL NEWS -- HE WAS ON THE NATIONAL NEWS ALL OF THE TIME.

AND HE SAW HIM ON CNN BULLYING HIS LITTLE BROTHER.

SO HE IS SUCH A KNOWN QUANTITY, I THINK THAT IT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD GO AWAY IN THE WAY THAT MOST NATIONAL PEOPLE DIDN'T KNOW MITT ROMNEY DID NOT SHARE THE ELEVATOR WITH PEOPLE AT THE STATE HOUSE.

WE ALL KNOW THAT.

IT IS THAT KIND OF THING, A LOCAL LURE OF WHAT THE GUY IS LIKE.

THIS IS SO NATIONAL, AND HE MADE HIMSELF SUCH A NATIONAL FIGURE SO OBVIOUSLY, I THINK THAT IT MAKES IT -- YOU CAN NEVER SAY NO ONE IS GOING TO HAVE A SECOND ACT.

I MEAN, WHO KNOWS?

HE WOULD BE SMART TO LAY BACK FOR A LITTLE WHILE, AND DO WHAT TINA SUGGESTED, WHICH IS DO SOME STUFF QUIETLY IN THE BACKGROUND.

>> Braude: ANTHONY WEINER, AFTER HIS FIRST SET OF OFFENSES, WAS LEADING THE RACE FOR MAYOR OF NEW YORK CITY UNTIL MORE STUFF CAME OUT.

SO IT'S NOT IMPOSSIBLE?

>> NO, ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN.

WE HAVE TO LOOK AT OUR NATIONAL ELECTIONS TO SEE THAT ANYONE CAN BE IN OFFICE, REGARDLESS OF THEIR TRACK REGARD.

WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THERE ARE NEW, FRESH, POLITICAL MINDS WHO ARE ON THE BENCH, WHO ARE WAITING FOR THEIR TIME.

LET THEM HAVE A CHANCE AT IT.

BECOME A MENTOR.

SPONSOR SOMEBODY NEW.

I'M GETTING OLDER, THIS IS NOT AGEST, BUT YOU HAD A TIME, AND IT IS TIME FOR OTHER PEOPLE TO COME FORWARD.

>> Braude: I HOPE YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT ME.

BUT THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

I MISSED YOU TWO.

BE WELL.

>> THANKS, JIM.

>> Braude: BOSTON IS KNOWN AS A HUB OF BIOTECHNOLOGY, AND IT'S HOME TO SOME OF THE MOST WELL-RESPECTED HOSPITALS AND RESEARCH CENTERS IN THE COUNTRY.

BUT AS A RECENT INVESTIGATION FROM "THE BOSTON GLOBE'S" "SPOTLIGHT" TEAM UNCOVERED, THERE'S ANOTHER THING THAT SETS THIS CITY APART: HEALTH CARE PRESIDENTS AND C.E.O.s MOONLIGHTING ON FOR-PROFIT COMPANY BOARDS, SOME OF WHICH HAVE "CONFLICT OF INTEREST" WRITTEN ALL OVER THEM.

THE "GLOBE" FOUND, AT THE TIME OF THE REPORT, SIX OUT OF SEVEN TOP HOSPITAL EXECUTIVES IN BOSTON ALSO SERVED AS DIRECTORS FOR PHARMACEUTICAL, TELEHEALTH, AND MEDICAL DEVICE COMPANIES, EARNING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS, AND SOMETIMES EVEN MILLIONS, OF DOLLARS FOR THEIR OUTSIDE WORK.

IN FOUR OF THE 11 OTHER MAJOR CITIES THE "SPOTLIGHT" TEAM EXAMINED, ONLY ONE TOP HOSPITAL EXECUTIVE HELD A SIMILAR POSITION.

IN THE OTHER SEVEN, INCLUDING NEW YORK CITY, NOT A SINGLE ONE.

THE HOSPITALS AND LEADERS IN QUESTION ARGUE THE OUTSIDE WORK ACTUALLY SERVES PATIENTS BY OPENING UP LINES OF COMMUNICATION BETWEEN DIFFERENT INDUSTRIES WITH THEIR INTERESTS AT HEART, AND THEY SAY RULES ARE IN PLACE TO PREVENT ANY KIND OF ABUSE.

BUT OTHERS ARGUE EVEN THE APPEARANCE OF CONFLICT IS A PROBLEM.

SO, MORE THAN 100 PHYSICIANS, RESEARCHERS, RESIDENTS, AND STUDENTS FROM HARVARD-AFFILIATED HOSPITALS ACROSS THE CITY HAVE SENT A PETITION TO UNIVERSITY AND HOSPITAL OFFICIALS, CALLING FOR STRONGER ETHICS RULES WHICH WOULD BAN THESE SIMULTANEOUS POSITIONS OUTRIGHT.

I'M JOINED NOW BY ITS CO-AUTHOR, DR. CAROLYN BECKER, AN ENDOCRINOLOGIST AT BRIGHAM AND WOMEN'S HOSPITAL AND AN ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR AT HARVARD MEDICAL SCHOOL.

>> Braude: DOCTOR, IT IS GREAT TO MEET YOU.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

>> Doctor: THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME.

>> Braude: WHAT SPECIFICALLY MOST CONCERNS YOU ABOUT THESE DUAL RESPONSIBILITIES?

>> Doctor: WELL, I THINK THEY'RE BOTH FULL-TIME JOBS IN TERMS OF BEING A LEADER, AN EXECUTIVE AT A HOSPITAL, AND BEING ON A BOARD OF TRUSTEES FOR A BIG COMPANY.

THEY'RE NOT ONLY BUSY JOBS, THEY'RE CONFLICTING.

AND TO BE PRESIDENT OF A HOSPITAL, A C.E.O.

OF A HOSPITAL, AND HAVE AN ALLIANCE TO A CORPORATION, A COMPANY, A FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY TO ANOTHER ENTITY SEEMS TO HAVE LIKE A CLEAR CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

>> Braude: YOU KNOW, THE FORMER HEAD OF YOUR HOSPITAL, BRIGHAM, BETS BETSY NABEL, APPARENTLY ON THE BOARD SHE SERVED HAD RESPONSIBILITY, TO YOUR POINT, OF 30 TO 40 BOARD MEETING TEND ATTEND DANCES, AND SHE SERVED ON THE BOARD OF MODERNA, AND SOLD STOCK WORTH $8 MILLION.

IF YOU'RE ON THE BOARD OF A COMPANY, YOU HAVE A FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY TO THE COMPANY.

THE INTEREST OF A DRUG COMPANY SEEMS TO BE TO MAXIMIZE ITS PROFITS.

THE C.E.O.

OF A HOSPITAL IS TO MAKE DRUGS AS ACCESSIBLE AND AFFORDABLE TO ITS PATIENTS.

HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLY SERVE TWO SUCH MASTERS?

>> YOU CAN'T.

YOU CAN'T.

AND THAT WAS THE BASIS OF THIS PETITION.

BASICALLY WE KNOW THAT DR. NABEL STEPPED DOWN.

WE KNOW THAT OTHER PEOPLE HAVE STEPPED DOWN FROM VERY HIGH POSITIONS IN BOSTON.

BUT WE DIDN'T SEE ANY CHANGE IN POLICY.

WE DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING THAT WOULD PREVENT THESE CONFLICTS FROM HAPPENING AGAIN OR CONTINUING RIGHT NOW.

AND WE BASICALLY FELT THAT UNLESS WE PUSHED IT, AS THE FACULTY, RESIDENTS, FELLOWS, AND STUDENTS -- THERE WAS SO MUCH FEELING ABOUT THIS WE HAD TO KEEP PUSHING IT BECAUSE WE WERE BEING BLOCKED BY SILENCE, AND WE STILL ARE.

>> Braude: JUST AS PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T READ THE ORIGINAL SPOTLIGHT SERIES, IN THE REPORT IT TALKED ABOUT THE FORMER HEAD OF CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL, SANDY FENWICK, WHO SERVED ON THE BOARD OF HEALTH, AND YET WHEN SHE LOBBIED FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR TELEHEALTH, SHE FAILED TO TELL THEM SHE WAS LOBBYING, AND SHE WOULD PROFIT SHOULD THERE BEEN MORE FUNDING FOR TELEHEALTH COMPANIES.

EVEN IF SHE HAD DISCLOSED THAT CONNECTION, CAN A C.E.O.

BE DOING THAT KIND OF THING?

>> NO.

AND, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE -- ALL OF THESE PEOPLE THAT WERE NAMED IN THE SPOTLIGHT ARTICLE, THEY'RE AMAZING, ACCOMPLISHED -- >> Braude: I'M SURE THEY ARE.

>> -- PEOPLE.

THEY ARE HIGHLY TRAINED, INCREDIBLY SUCCESSFUL, AND I HATE TO USE THE WORDS "THEY'RE GOOD PEOPLE," BUT PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE.

AND WHEN PRESENTED WITH AN OPPORTUNITY OR AN INCENTIVE FOR GREED, I THINK IT'S JUST THE INCENTIVE CANNOT BE THERE -- THE INCENTIVE SHOULD NOT BE THERE, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, TAKE AWAY, BAN, THESE KINDS OF RELATIONSHIPS.

YEAH, THE TELECOM -- I THINK THE HEAD OF MASS GENERAL, ALSO, WAS ON THE BOARD OF A TELECOM COMPANY -- >> Braude: DR. SLAVEN.

>> YES.

>> Braude: SOMETHING CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME AS I'VE NEVER UNDERSTOOD WITH THIS STORY, AS I SEND THE LEAD TO YOU, SIX OUT OF SEVEN OF THE HOSPITAL HEADS -- TO THEIR CREDIT, THE HEAD OF B.I., AND THE HEAD OF YOUR PLACE, DR. BRIGHAM, THEY'RE NOT SERVING ON ANY OUTSIDE BOARDS.

SIX OUT OF SEVEN HERE, AND YET ZERO IN NEW YORK CITY.

I KNOW WE'RE A SPECIAL PLACE, BUT THEIR ARGUMENT IS, ACCORDING TO THE GLOBE AND SOME OF THROUGH SPOKES PEOPLE, THOSE COLLABORATIONS BENEFIT US, WE GET INSIGHT, ETC., BUT WHY DO THEY HAVE TO SIT ON A BOARD AND RAKE IN MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO GAIN INSIGHT AND COLLABORATE WITH COMPANIES THAT ALSO SERVE THEIR PATIENTS?

THEY CAN JUST WORK WITH THEM, CAN'T THEY?

>> Doctor: JIM, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.

WE ARE A BIOTECH MECCA.

I MEAN, BOSTON HAS SO MANY COMPANIES.

WE HAVE SO MUCH RESEARCH GOING ON.

WE HAVE ARE A MEDICAL RESEARCH AND CLINICAL HUB, AND THAT'S WONDERFUL.

BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THESE COLLABORATIONS -- AND I'M NOT OPPOSED -- I MEAN, SOME OF MY BEST FRIENDS WORK FOR PHARMA, AND I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THESE INDUSTRIES.

WE NEED THEM.

BUT TO BE THE HEAD OF A HOSPITAL AND BE OWNING STOCK AND GETTING $400,000, ON AVERAGE, EXTRA SALARY AND COMMITTING THAT TIME, TAKING IT AWAY FROM THEIR MAIN JOB, IS WRONG.

WE WANT COLLABORATIONS, BUT THEY SHOULD BE VERY MINIMALLY COMPENSATED, NO STOCK OPTIONS.

THERE ARE WAYS TO DO THIS THAT CAN WORK FOR BOTH SIDES.

AND SHOW ME THE EVIDENCE THAT ANY OF THESE COLLABORATIONS HAVE HELPED THE HOSPITAL.

WHEN A CHIEF IS DOING THIS, WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE THAT THAT COLLABORATION HAS HELPED THE PEOPLE TO WORK, OR THE PATIENTS THAT COME TO THAT HOSPITAL.

I DON'T SEE IT.

>> Braude: WE ONLY HAVE A MINUTE LEFT.

HAVE YOU GOTTEN ANY RESPONSE TO THE PLEA, FOR LACK OF A BETTER EXPRESSION, THAT YOU AND YOUR COLLEAGUES ARE MAKING?

>> Doctor: I AND THE OTHER PEOPLE WHO HAVE -- THIS IS A GROUP EFFORT, BY THE WAY.

>> Braude: I KNOW THAT.

>> Doctor: MANY, MANY PEOPLE HAVE PARTICIPATED, GIVEN FEEDBACK.

WE HAVE GOTTEN LOTS OF POSITIVE RESPONSES FROM ALL OVER THE HARBOR COMMUNITY AND OUTSIDE THE COMMUNITY.

WE HAVE YET TO HEAR ANYTHING FROM THE POWERS THAT BE.

NOT A WORD NEGATIVE; NOT A WORD POSITIVE; NOTHING.

SO THAT IS VERY DISAPPOINTING.

>> Braude: I SHOULD SAY, I HAVE NO AUTHORITY IN THIS ONE, BUT YOUR DEMANDS ON BEHALF OF THE PEOPLE YOU SERVE COULD NOT BE MORE REASONABLE, AND I THINK EVERYBODY -- VIRTUALLY EVERYBODY WATCHING THIS SHOW WOULD HOPE YOU PREVAIL.

I AMONG THEM.

DR. BECKER, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORT AND YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU.

>> Doctor: THANK YOU, JIM, SO MUCH.

THANK YOU FORGIVING US THIS FORUM.

>> Braude: IN THE DAYS AFTER GEORGE FLOYD WAS MURDERED, AS PEOPLE OF COLOR BORE THE BRUNT OF THE FIRST PANDEMIC WAVE AND PROTESTORS MARCHED TO DEMAND AN END TO SYSTEMIC RACISM, A GROUP OF BLACK AND BROWN EXECUTIVES IN MASSACHUSETTS JOINED FORCES TO TRY TO DO JUST THAT IN BOSTON AND BEYOND.

THEY STARTED THE NEW COMMONWEALTH RACIAL EQUITY AND SOCIAL JUSTICE FUND, WHICH HAS SO FAR RAISED MORE THAN $30 MILLION AND GIVEN AWAY $3 MILLION TO ORGANIZATIONS ACROSS THE STATE.

AND THIS WEEK THE GROUP SELECTED ITS FIRST-EVER PRESIDENT, MAKEEBA McCREARY, WHO WILL LEAVE HER CURRENT POST AS THE FIRST CHIEF OF LEARNING AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AT THE MUSEUM OF FINE ARTS IN SEPTEMBER TO LEAD THE FUND.

>> Braude: MAKEEBA McCREARY JOINS ME NOW.

CONGRATULATIONS, AND WELCOME.

>> THANK YOU.

THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

>> Braude: PRETTY GOOD JOB AT A PRETTY IMPORTANT PLACE AT THE M.F.A.. WHAT CON FINSED CONVINCED YOU IT WAS A GOOD MOVE?

>> I REMEMBER SEEING THE SAME NOTIFICATION THAT THEY FORMED THEIR TEAM.

I WAS SO IMPRESSED, SO MOVED, AND I WAS ENVIOUS THAT THEY HAD FIGURED OUT A WAY TO COME TOGETHER AND COCOALESS.

>> Braude: A COUPLE OF FUNDS WERE CREATED AT THE SAME TIME.

THE CITY CREATED A RACIAL EQUITY FUND, WHICH I DIDN'T REALIZE UNTIL TODAY IT WAS FOLDED INTO THE ORGANIZATION YOU'RE ABOUT TO RUN.

WHY WAS IT CREATED?

WHAT WAS THE MISSION WHEN IT WAS FORMED?

>> I BELIEVE -- AND I CERTAINLY WASN'T AT THAT TABLE, BUT WHAT I WAS MOVED BY WAS THE FACT THEY KNEW THEY COULDN'T CONTINUE TO DO THIS WORK INDIVIDUALLY OR AS SEPARATE PETITIONS, BUT THAT IT REALLY WALL GOING TO TAKE ALL 19 OF THEM TO COME TOGETHER AND PUT THEIR FINGER RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE HOLE.

AND THE FOCUS ON THE IDEA THAT BLACK AND BROWN LEADERS ACTUALLY HAVE SOLUTIONS AND ARE IN NEED OF INVESTMENTS SO THAT COULD BE LIFTED UP IS AT THE CORNER OF SOME OF THEIR WORK.

>> Braude: SPEAKING OF INVESTMENTS, AS I MENTIONED AT THE TOP, ALREADY $3 MILLION IN GRANTS HAVE GONE OUT ACCORDING TO WHAT I READ IN "THE BOSTON GLOBE."

THE GRANTEES TELL THE STORY OF WHAT AN ORGANIZATION IS ALL ABOUT.

CAN YOU GIVE US A PICTURE OF WHOM THE LEADERS OF THE ORGANIZATION DECIDED WERE GRANT-WORTHY, WHO GOT THE MONEY?

>> I HAVE A GENERAL SENSE THAT IT WAS ORGANIZATIONS LIKE (indiscernable), WHICH IS PART OF MY OWN PERSONAL LIFE HERE IN BOSTON, AN ORGANIZATION WORKING WITH YOUNG PEOPLE IN THE BOSTON PUBLIC SCHOOLS.

AND THERE ARE A LOT OF INVESTMENTS THAT GO BEYOND BOSTON AND GO INTO OTHER GATEWAY CITIES ACROSS THE COMMONWEALTH, AND THEY'RE FOCUSING ON HOUSING, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, YOUTH AND EDUCATION.

>> Braude: IT IS INTERESTING, AND I'M SURE WON'T SURPRISE YOU, THE TWO REPORTS THAT JUST CAME OUT FROM BOTH THE CITY AND THE STATE ON HEALTH CARE EQUITY OUT OF THE PANDEMIC, EVEN THOUGH THE PANDEMIC IS STILL WITH US, AS I'M SURE YOU KNOW WENT WAY BEYOND HEALTH CARE TO FIGURE OUT HOW PEOPLE OF COLOR, LOW-INCOME PEOPLE DO HAVE A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD, AND IT TOUCHED ON THINGS LIKE HOUSING AND EMPLOYMENT ISSUES, A WHOLE SECTRUM OF THINGS.

IS THAT SORT OF HOLISTIC NOTION OF HOW TO ADDRESS THIS SYSTEMIC PROBLEM WHAT APPEARS TO BE GUIDING THE ORGANIZATION YOU'RE ABOUT TO RUN?

>> I THINK THIS PANDEMIC REALLY SHOWN A LIGHT ON THINGS THAT WERE ALREADY PERSISTENTLY CHALLENGING FOR COMMUNITIES OF PEOPLE OF COLOR.

THE COMMONWEALTH FUND IS ABLE TO SAY, LISTEN, THERE IS ALREADY AN ACKNOWLEDGMENT THAT THESE BLACK AND BROWN COMMUNITIES ARE THE ONES THAT WERE ALREADY SUFFERING FROM A SHORTAGE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

BUT WHEN YOU CAN'T LEAVE YOUR HOME BECAUSE THERE IS A PANDEMIC, OR YOU HAVE TO GO STAND IN LINE BECAUSE YOU NEED TO ACCESS FOOD, WHICH IS WHERE A LOT OF OUR BLACK AND BROWN COMMUNITIES ARE POSITIONED AT THIS POINT, ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU SEE HOW MUCH MORE AT RISK THAT GROUP IS TO BEING EXPOSED TO SOMETHING THAT ISN'T NECESSARILY TOUCHING OTHER COMMUNITIES IN THE SAME WAY.

>> Braude: I'M SURE YOU'VE BEEN ASKED THIS QUESTION 100 TIMES ALREADY, SO I'LL MAKE IT 101.

THERE ARE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAVE DONE GREATER WORK WITH FAR GREATER ASSETS, THE BAR FOUNDATION, THE BOSTON FOUNDATION, AND WHEN YOU WERE ASKED THAT QUESTION IN "THE BOSTON GLOBE," YOU SAID SOMETHING LIKE: THE DIFFERENCE IS WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO BE MORE NIMBLE.

WHAT DID YOU MEAN BY THAT?

>> I SAID WE COULD BE MORE NIMBLE, BUT I ALSO SAID I SEE US ALL BEING COLLABORATIVE.

I, BECAUSE OF THE OPPORTUNITY TO COLLABORATE WITH THE BAR FOUND, THE BORTIONTHEBOSTON FOUNDATION, AND THESE INSTITUTIONS HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED AND HAVE GREAT RESOURCES.

BUT THE NEW COMMONWEALTH FUND IS THE START-UP.

WE'RE BUILDING OUR STRATEGIES AND METRICS.

WE'RE ALSO GOING TO BE ABLE TO REALLY HONE IN ON A VERY PARTICULAR SET OF STRATEGIES THAT REALLY DO SPEAK TO ENDING SYSTEMIC RACISM AND TO SOCIAL JUSTICE ISSUES ACROSS THE COMMONWEALTH.

THAT IS NOT TO SAY THESE FOUNDATIONS AREN'T ALSO EARMARKING THINGS TO SUPPORT THOSE EFFORTS.

BUT I THINK THAT WE HAVE THE BLESSING OF BEING YOUNG AND ALSO BEING ABLE TO TAP INTO 19 DIFFERENT FOUNDERS WHO COVER AN INCREDIBLE SPAN OF EXPERTISE AND AREAS OF FOCUS IN THEIR OWN INSTITUTIONS.

>> Braude: TWO OF THE THINGS THAT MOST PEOPLE WHO READ THE GLOBE A FEW YEARS AGO BOSTON, THE FIRST THING THAT MOST PEOPLE REMEMBER IS THE STUNNING STATISTIC FROM THE FEDERAL RESERVE, WHITE FAMILIES, $247,000, AND BLACK FAMILIES, $8,000 -- THEY DID THE VIEW OF BLACK PEOPLE AND HOW WELCOMING EIGHT AMERICAN CITIES WERE.

IN THAT SURVEY, THE LEAST WELCOMING CITY, BY FAR -- NOT A LITTLE, BUT BY FAR -- IS BOSTON.

IS THE NOTION THAT PART OF THE MISSION, IF ACHIEVED, WILL ADDRESS THAT AS WELL?

>> I BELIEVE IT WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT WELCOMING AND INCLUSION.

BUT THE CHALLENGE IS THAT YOU DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT PEOPLE AT THE TABLE, YOU DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT DECISION-MAKERS AND THE RIGHT LEADERS -- NOT JUST THE RIGHT ONES, BUT THE DIVERSE ONES, WHO GIVE YOU PERSPECTIVE ACROSS THE SPECTRUM OF EXPERIENCES.

I THINK BOSTON WILL GET THERE.

WE'LL GET TO A PLACE WHERE WE EARN THOSE STRIPES WHEN IT HAS THE LEADERSHIP TO RAISE UP THE BLACKS AND PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTUALLY EXPERIENCING THIS CITY.

UNTIL THEN, YEAH, I THINK IT WILL CONTINUE TO BE A CHALLENGE.

>> Braude: I WISH YOU LUCK.

I'M SURE EVERYBODY WISHES YOU LUCK.

LUCK.

I'M SURE THEY'RE HAPPY TO HAVE YOU.

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