>> HI I'M MARC ROTTERMAN AND THIS IS FRONT ROW.

COMING UP, THE DEBATE IN CONGRESS OVER A GUARANTEED MONTHLY INCOME FOR MOST AMERICANS.

NORTH CAROLINA HOUSE PASSES A MAJOR ENERGY BILL.

AND IS FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP STILL THE GOLD STANDARD OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY?

NEXT.

♪ >> WELCOME BACK.

JOINING THE CONVERSATION, MITCH KOKAI WITH THE JOHN LOCKE FOUNDATION, ROBERT REIVES DEMOCRATIC LEADER IN THE STATE HOUSE.

>> JONAH KAPLAN WITH ABC NEWS 11, AND REPUBLICAN STATE REPRESENTATIVE ERIN PARE.

MITCH WHY DON'T WE BEGIN WITH THE DEBATE IN CONGRESS OVER UNIVERSAL BASIC INCOME.

>> WE LEARNED BACK IN JUNE FROM REPRESENTATIVE ILHAN OMAR DEMOCRAT FROM MINNESOTA OFTEN CONTROVERSIAL KNOWN AS A MEMBER OF THE SQUAD, YOUNGER GROUP OF WOMEN OF COLOR IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, SHE TWEETED THAT SHE WAS GOING TO BE IN THIS SESSION OF CONGRESS PUTTING FORWARD A PROGRAM FOR A UNIVERSAL BASIC INCOME, OR UBI, WHICH HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT IN THE PAST.

AND RECENTLY WE LEARNED ABOUT WHAT THAT PACKAGE ACTUALLY IS.

IT WOULD MEAN ABOUT $1200 A MONTH FOR MOST AMERICANS, IT WOULD START OFF AS A PILOT PROGRAM, 2 AND A HALF BILLION DOLLARS TO PUT FORWARD HUNDREDS OF TESTS PROJECTS IN COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY THAT WOULD TAKE PLACE FROM 2023 TO 27, AFTER THAT THE THOUGHT IS TO TRY TO EXPAND THIS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY TO AFFECT ALMOST ALL FAMILIES MAKING UP TO $75,000.

AND IT DOES FIT IN WITH SOME OF THE RECENT STIMULUS IDEAS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT FORWARD FROM CONGRESS, AND SUPPORTERS SAY THAT THIS WOULD BE A WAY TO HELP BRING A LOT MORE FAMILIES OUT OF POVERTY.

OF COURSE THERE ARE CRITICS WHO SAY ONE, THE COST OF DOING THIS BEYOND THE PILOT PROGRAM, THE PILOT ITSELF IS ALREADY BILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

THERE'S ALSO THE CONCERN ABOUT THE ECONOMICS DOES IT REALLY MAKE SENSE FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO TAKE MONEY FROM ONE PLACE AND PUT IN ANOTHER PLACE AND EXPECT THERE TO BE ECONOMIC GROWTH AND ALSO YOU HAVE A DISINCENTIVE FOR WORK.

WE SAW WITH THE FEDERAL UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS THAT A LOT OF EMPLOYERS ARE HAVING A HARD TIME GETTING PEOPLE TO GO BACK TO WORK.

HOW MUCH HARDER WILL IT BE WHEN PEOPLE ARE GETTING AN EXTRA 1200 BUCKS FROM UNCLE SAM?

>> ROBERT YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

>> WELL I THINK THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT A UBI, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S NOT NEW.

ANDREW YANG POPULARIZED IT DURING HIS PRESIDENTIAL RUN, BUT REALLY IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN TRIED THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY AND REALLY THROUGHOUT DIFFERENT OTHER COUNTRIES, FIRST WORLD COUNTRIES, TO TRY TO DO SOME TYPE OF -- >> WITH MIXED RESULTS, RIGHT?

>> YES, I MEAN COMPLETELY MIXED RESULTS.

THAT'S WHY I'M NOT SURE IT'S REALLY GOING TO GET LEGS IN CONGRESS, I THINK IT IS ONE OF MANY IDEAS TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO WE GET WORKING PEOPLE TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY GET A LEG UP AN OPPORTUNITY IN THE COUNTRY AND THAT'S JUST ANOTHER IDEA.

>> ERIN, HOW DOES THIS AFFECT SMALL BUSINESSES YOU THINK YOU'RE A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER.

>> I AM A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER AND I THINK WE SAW A LITTLE BIT OF THIS DURING COVID WHEN WE HAVE THE EXTENT EXPANDED FEDERAL UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS HITTING HOUSEHOLDS THAT THERE WAS AN INCENTIVE TO NOT WORK AND I THINK THE RESULT OF THAT AS IT TOOK A LITTLE BIT LONGER OR COMPANIES JUST COULDN'T RECOVER AS THEY NORMALLY WOULD IF THEY WERE ABLE TO EMPLOY THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THEY NEEDED TO CONDUCT THEIR BUSINESS.

>> JONAH.

>> THERE MAY BE SOMETHING TO THE IDEA OF GETTING CHILD'S AND CHILD OF POVERTY LIFTING THAT AND SUPPORTING AT LEAST THE CHILD CARE INDUSTRY, WHICH IS A REALLY TOUGH BUSINESS MODEL, SO IF THERE WAS SOME SORT OF TARGETED SPENDING LIKE YOU GET THIS INCOME IF IT WILL SUPPORT SCHOOLS IF WILL SUPPORT AND KEEP OPEN THE CHILD CARE CENTERS, YOU'LL BE ELIGIBLE FOR THIS IF YOU'RE ALSO WORKING PARENTS.

I THINK IT'S ALSO INDICATIVE OF IN AMERICA, USUALLY WHEN YOU GIVE AN ENTITLEMENT IT'S VERY TOUGH TO TAKE IT AWAY, SO FAMILIES ARE NOW GETTING USED TO THESE STIMULUS CHECKS HOW DO WE KEEP THEM GOING IN CREATIVE WAYS?

>> IN 2028 KICKS IN UNDOCUMENTED FOLKS WHO'VE COME ACROSS THE BORDER WOULD GET $600 I THINK IS THAT CORRECT IF THEY SHOW OR HAVE FILED A TAX RETURN?

>> THAT'S ONE OF THE CONCERNS IS THAT THIS PROGRAM WOULD AFFECT PEOPLE WHO ARE PROBABLY ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS IT SO THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WHY FOLKS WHO HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE GENERAL IDEA HAVE AN ADDITIONAL CONCERN.

TO ME ONE OF THE INTERESTING PARTS ABOUT THIS IS THAT THE IDEA OF A UNIVERSAL BASIC INCOME IS NOT NECESSARILY LEFT VERSUS RIGHT.

MILTON FRIEDMAN YEARS AGO WAS A SUPPORTER OF THIS IDEA, BUT HIS IDEA WAS PAY THE PEOPLE AT THE LOWER END OF THE INCOME SCALE GET RID OF THE MASSIVE WELFARE PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE.

AND JUST USE THIS UNIVERSAL BASIC INCOME INSTEAD.

>> CAN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT - WE'VE GOT ABOUT 30 SECONDS - CAN IT REALLY PULL THIS OFF?

>> NO THAT'S AGAIN WHY DON'T THINK IT WILL NECESSARILY HAVE LEGS.

I THINK AGAIN WE LOOK AT THINGS ARE WORKING LIKE JONAH WAS TALKING ABOUT LIKE THE CHILD TAX CARE CREDIT, THOSE KIND OF TARGETED PROGRAMS WORK.

I THINK PROGRAM MIGHT THIS JUST AS A PRACTICAL MATTER CAN'T WORK AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL >> GREAT WRAP.

I WANT TO CHANGE.

WHAT TRANSPIRED AT THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY THIS WEEKEND?

>> RIGHT THE NORTH CAROLINA HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES PASSED PROBABLY THE MOST SIGNIFICANT PIECE OF LEGISLATION WE'LL SEE THE SESSION.

AND THAT'S THE MODERNIZE ENERGY GENERATION ACT ALSO KNOWN AS THE ENERGY BILL.

SO IT PASSED WITH BIPARTISAN SUPPORT 60 TO 46 IN A RARE MIDNIGHT SESSION.

SO I THINK YOU KNOW FEDERAL POLICYMAKERS HERE IN NORTH CAROLINA UNDERSTAND THAT FEDERAL POLICY IS GOING TO BE DRIVING THE COST OF COAL UP.

AS A RESULT NORTH CAROLINA'S GOING TO HAVE TO ADJUST AND PLAN FOR THE FUTURE.

SO WHAT THIS BILL IS 47 PAGE BILL AND I'M GOING TO HIGHLIGHT JUST A FEW THINGS FROM THAT AND I DID READ THE WHOLE BILL JUST FOR THE RECORD.

>> [MARC] UNLIKE WASHINGTON POLITICIANS.

>> RIGHT.

[LAUGHTER] BUT WHAT IT SEEKS TO DO IS TO RETIRE, EARLY RETIRE, SEVERAL INEFFICIENT COAL-FIRED FACILITIES OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS AND REPLACE IT WITH NATURAL GAS.

WE WANT TO ENSURE RELIABILITY AND COST IS UNDER CONTROL AND WE DO THIS WITH REPLACEMENT GENERATION IN NATURAL GAS NUCLEAR AND ADDING 777 MEGAWATTS A YEAR FOR RENEWABLE ENERGY.

SO IT WAS A 5 MONTH LONG STAKEHOLDER PROCESS.

THE GOVERNOR'S ALREADY SIGNALED THAT HE WILL HE WOULD VETO THE HOUSE BILL.

BUT WE PASSED IT, IT'S GOING TO HEAD OVER TO THE SENATE, AND IT TOOK 2 VOTES TO DO THAT BACK TO BACK IS WHAT THE HOUSE RULES CALL FOR.

THE DEMOCRATS OPPOSED TO THAT SECOND VOTE AND SO HOUSE LEADERSHIP DECIDED TO HOLD THAT SECOND VOTE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE WHICH END UP BEING 12:01 IN THE MORNING, THE NEXT DAY.

>> WHAT HAVE YOU BEEN FOLLOWING MITCH?

WELL ON THAT PARTICULAR THE ONE PIECE THAT ISN'T MENTIONED, BUT THAT CERTAINLY CAUGHT MY ATTENTION IS THE VERY LAST PAGE IS A PIECE THAT WOULD BLOCK GOVERNOR COOPER FROM SIGNING NORTH CAROLINA UP TO THIS.

A THING CALLED REGGIE.

IT'S THE REGIONAL GREENHOUSE GAS INITIATIVE AND IT'S A BUNCH OF STATES TRYING TO COME TOGETHER TO CUT CARBON EMISSIONS BASICALLY THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY WOULD BE SAYING IF THEY PASS THIS, HOLD ON, THIS IS THE TYPE OF THING THAT'S POLICY THAT THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY SHOULD APPROVE, THE GOVERNOR CAN'T JUST SIGN IT.

WHAT TRANSPIRED IN THE SENATE?

QUICKLY.

>> WELL THE SENATE HAD ONE INTERESTING PIECE OF LEGISLATION AND IT ENDED UP GETTING TO THE GOVERNOR AND THAT WAS MAKING SURE THAT PARENTS AND THE PARENTS WOULD GET PARENTAL CONSENT IF A VACCINE IS GIVEN TO SOMEONE UNDER 18, IF IT LIKE WITH THE COVID-19 VACCINE IS ONE OF THESE EMERGENCY AUTHORIZATION VACCINES.

>> ARE WE BEGINNING TO SEE SOME OF THE BUDGET COMING OUT OF THE HOUSE?

WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR?

>> OH WELL, YEAH, WE'RE BEGINNING TO SEE SOME OF THE BUDGET COMING OUT, BUT THE WHOLE BUDGET PROBABLY WON'T COME OUT UNTIL SUNDAY NIGHT AND MONDAY, WE PLAN TO VOTE ON IT WEDNESDAY.

AND SO -- >> WHAT ARE YOU'RE TOP PRIORITIES?

>> BIGGEST PRIORITY, A LOT OF US ON MY SIDE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS JUST SOMETHING IS GOING TO HELP WORKING FOLKS GET GOING AFTER THIS PANDEMIC BECAUSE ONE OF THE MISCONCEPTIONS THAT WE HAVE IS THAT WE'VE GOT A LOT OF MONEY AVAILABLE THAT YOU'VE GOT LEFTOVER MONEY FROM NOT HAVING A BUDGET LAST SESSION AND THEN COMING INTO THIS WE'VE GOT THE FEDERAL MONEY AND WHAT I WANT TO DO IS MAKE SURE WE'RE LOOKING AT RESPONSIBLE SPENDING THAT WE CAN MAINTAIN THAT WILL THEN TURN AROUND AND REINVEST IN OUR PEOPLE IN THE STATE.

>> JONAH PUT THIS IN CONTEXT.

>> WELL FOR THE BUDGET THIS MIGHT BE PERHAPS THE MOST IMPORTANT FUNCTION OF STATE GOVERNMENT WHICH IS HOW TO SPEND THE MILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF TAX DOLLARS IT'S COLLECTED.

AND AT FIRST WHEN IT WAS IN THE MIDST OF THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC WE ALL THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE A BUDGET SHORTFALL, EVERYONE STAYING HOME, NO ONE SPENDING MONEY, AND IT TURNS OUT WE STILL HAVE A SURPLUS, SO I THINK FOR VOTERS, THERE'S REALLY 2 FUNDAMENTAL IDEAS WHICH IS IF NORTH CAROLINA HAS ALL THIS EXTRA MONEY DO YOU GIVE BACK TO THE TAXPAYER IN THE FORM OF TAX CUTS WHICH IS THE REPUBLICAN PHILOSOPHY OR IF YOU HAVE THE MONEY, WELL LET'S SPEND IT AND INVEST IT WHICH IS POTENTIALLY OR GENERALLY THE DEMOCRATIC PHILOSOPHY.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THOSE 2 IDEAS, VERY APPARENT AND THAT'S HEADING INTO THE MIDTERMS AND HEADING INTO THE FUTURE VOTERS ARE GOING TO HAVE A CLEAR CHOICE SO I THINK IT'S VERY INTERESTING TO WATCH THIS BECAUSE ULTIMATELY VOTERS WILL HAVE A SAY IN THIS EVEN THOUGH IT'S VERY KIND OF INSIDE BASEBALL.

>> GREAT WRAP, COMING RIGHT BACK TO YOU.

FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP GETTING A LOT OF INK LATELY.

WELL LET ME PUT IT THIS WAY.

WE HAVE A LOT OF COLLEGE BASKETBALL FANS HERE AND YOU DON'T WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS IN THE PRESEASON TOURNAMENT TO THE MAUI INVITATIONAL.

I WOULDN'T SAY WE'RE IN THE PRE SEASON NOW, BUT LOOK THERE ARE SOME PRIMARIES GOING ON SPECIAL ELECTIONS AND PRESIDENT TRUMP IS TRYING TO PUT HIS NAME INTO SOME ENDORSEMENTS.

HE WON ONE HE LOST ONE AND THE KEY IS WELL -- >> [MARC] WON A COUPLE IN OHIO.

>> HE WON A COUPLE OHIO, WHICH WAS SIGNIFICANT LOST ONE IN TEXAS AND LOOK THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT THE TRUMP BRAND CONTINUES TO BE A DOMINANT BRAND AND IT'S GOING TO BE DOMINANT IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

NOW CAN YOU JUDGE THE NATIONAL ELECTORATE BASED ON A COUPLE OF SPECIAL ELECTIONS?

IN OHIO AND THEN IN TEXAS, WHAT DOES IT DO FOR STATEWIDE RACES?

AND TRUMP?

YES, IT'S A BIG BRAND, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT ELSE WAS A BIG BRAND?

KODAK BACK IN THE DAY.

[LAUGHTER] SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR THE FUTURE?

SO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY BASICALLY HAS A OPPORTUNITY.

ARE THEY GOING TO LATCH ON TO THIS BRAND WHICH IS VERY POPULAR WITH A VERY LOUD SEGMENT OF AMERICA BUT HOW SUSTAINABLE IS THAT BRAND?

AND THAT'S WHAT REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GRAPPLE WITH AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK IN THE NEXT SEVERAL MONTHS AND IN NORTH CAROLINA BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE PRIMARIES HERE, ESPECIALLY FOR THE SENATE ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE CANDIDATES TETHERED TO TRUMP AND IF THEY ARE HOW WILL THAT DO IN A GENERAL ELECTION AND IF THEY'RE NOT WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR THE FUTURE OF THE PARTY WHO CAN FILL IN THE HOLES?

>> IS PRESIDENT TRUMP A DOUBLE EDGED SWORD FOR THE REPUBLICAN PARTY?

>> HE CERTAINLY IS.

NO CANDIDATE WHO'S GOING TO RUN AS A REPUBLICAN CAN BE AT THIS POINT AGAINST DONALD TRUMP, THEY HAVE TO BE FOR HIM, BUT JUST HOW FOR HIM?

I MEAN JUST HOW MUCH OF A FOREIGN BECAUSE ONCE YOU GET PAST THE PRIMARY, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT INDEPENDENT VOTERS, MODERATE DEMOCRATS SUBURBAN WOMEN PEOPLE WHOM THE FORMER PRESIDENT OFTEN TURNS OFF SO THEY BASICALLY HAVE TO WALK A FINE LINE.

TO ME IT'S ALSO GOING TO BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW DOES DONALD TRUMP APPROACH THE TIME BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT ELECTION IS THE ALL GOING GOING TO BE ALL ABOUT SOUR GRAPES I LOST IN 20 OR I WILL ACTUALLY WON IN 2020 AND THEY STOLE IT FROM ME.

OR IS IT GOING TO COME FORWARD WITH A VISION FOR THE FUTURE LIKE HE DID WHEN HE WON IN 2016, WELL, THEY MAY BE GENERATIONAL CHANGE BUT TRUMP ERIN DOES HAVE 82 MILLION DOLLARS IN HIS PACK.

>> HE DOES BUT I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT I THINK YOU KNOW AS WE SAW IN 2020 AND SOME OF THE POLLING THAT HE HAS SOME WORK TO DO WITH WOMEN AND I THINK YOU KNOW WOMEN BROKE FOR BIDEN 56%.

BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHITE ACHIEVING FEMALES, THEY BROKE FOR BIDEN 61%, SO YOU CAN EXTRAPOLATE FROM THAT MAY BE SOME CHALLENGES IN THE SUBURBAN AREAS WITH WOMEN VOTERS SO WE'LL SEE WE'LL SEE WHAT HE DOES, BUT I THINK HE MIGHT HAVE SOME WORK TO DO.

>> ROBERT WHAT DO YOU THINK WILL BE THE TOP TWO ISSUES, YOU KNOW 2022 ON IN THE MID TERMS.

>> WELL I THINK IN 2022, IT'S REALLY GOING TO STILL BE THE SAME AS IT WAS IN 2020 AND IT'S GOING TO BE A REFERENDUM ON THE TRUMP BRAND AND ARE WE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT A SITUATION WHERE WE CONTINUE TO FOLLOW IN THOSE FOOTSTEPS OR IS IT GOING TO -- >> YOU DON'T THINK IMMIGRATION AND THE ECONOMY ARE GOING TO BE THE TOP TWO ISSUES -- >> I JUST DON'T SEE -- >> PUBLIC SAFETY?

DEFUND THE POLICE?

>> YEAH, I MEAN ANYTHING CAN GET MADE INTO A POLITICAL ISSUE.

>> POLLSTERS THINK THAT.

>> I CAN SEE WHERE THAT WILL BE BUT I'D REALLY BE INTERESTED CONSIDERING WHAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH WITH THE PANDEMIC AT WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE AND 2022 WHAT REALLY GOING TO BE LOOKING AT.

>> HOW WOULD YOU SAY BIDEN'S HANDLED THE PANDEMIC SO FAR?

DID HE DECLARE VICTORY TOO EARLY YOU THINK?

>> I WOULDN'T SAY HE DECLARED VICTORY TOO EARLY.

I THINK HE'S DONE EVERYTHING HE COULD.

I THINK NOW WHAT UNFORTUNATELY IS HAPPY WITH THE PANDEMIC IS IT'S BECOME SO POLITICAL IN ALL OF OUR RESPONSES AND I THINK WHAT THIS CALLS IS WHAT WE'RE SEEING NOW WE'RE SEEING IN STATES THAT HAVE UPTICKS IN THE NEW COVID VARIANT.

THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THE WORST TIME SINCE THIS PANDEMIC STARTED WHICH IS REALLY SAD BECAUSE WE GOT A VACCINE OUT THERE.

>> JONAH, WRAP THIS UP IN ABOUT 40 SECONDS.

>> ALL THOSE ISSUES YOU MENTION, IMMIGRATION, AND POLICE AND SECURITY, THOSE ARE SUBSTANTIVE ISSUES BUT IF YOU BRING TRUMP THAN THAT IS A DISTRACTION TO THOSE ISSUES SO FOR REPUBLICANS THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DETERMINE ARE WE GOING TO RUN ON MESSAGE OR ARE WE GOING TO RUN ON PERSONALITY?

>> OR ARE WE GOING TO MAKE THE GENERATIONAL CHANGE?

OK ROBERT I WANT TO COME RIGHT BACK TO YOU AND TALK ABOUT THE CDC.

THEY STOPPED THE EVICTIONS THIS WEEK.

THERE'S A MORATORIUM.

>> YES, AND WHAT PRESIDENT BIDEN DID THROUGH CDC IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE MORATORIUM COULD IT STAND FOR FURTHER THAN THE DEADLINE THAT WAS COMING UP ON OCTOBER 3RD.

THE REASON THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT AND I THINK THE REASON THAT'S IMPORTANT IS BECAUSE RIGHT NOW YOU'VE GOT BILLIONS OF DOLLARS AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL THAT HAVE NOT BEEN DISTRIBUTED.

>> [MARC] 46 MILLION.

>> YES FOR RENTERS AND LANDLORDS AND IT'S AN IMPORTANT ISSUE FOR BOTH.

WE'RE IN A BOOM MARKET RIGHT NOW FOR SELLERS AND BUYERS.

BUT WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO THE RENTAL MARKET IN NORTH CAROLINA FOR INSTANCE, 15% OF RENTERS ARE BEHIND ON THE RENT.

AND SO THE QUESTION IS DO WE WANT TO BE IN A SITUATION WHERE ALL THESE EVICTIONS JUST COME POURING IN, OR DO WE WANT TO BE IN A SITUATION WHERE WE CAN KEEP LANDLORDS WITH THE PROPERTIES RENTED AND KEEP THEM GETTING INCOME AND KEEP RENTERS IN THEIR HOMES AND SO EXTENDING THIS MORATORIUM IS GOING HELP US OUT A WHOLE LOT WITH THAT >> MITCH.

>> THERE'S SOME QUESTION WHETHER THIS IS CONSTITUTIONAL CORRECT?

>> A LOT OF QUESTION BECAUSE THE SUPREME COURT ACTUALLY JUST DEALT WITH THIS ISSUE VERY RECENTLY AND THE SWING VOTE.

BREAKING A 4, 4, TIE WAS BRETT KAVANAUGH WHO BASICALLY SAID YOU KNOW THIS REALLY IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL, BUT THE MORATORIUM SUPPOSED TO GO AWAY IN A FEW WEEKS AND THIS WILL GIVE CONGRESS TIME TO COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE CONSTITUTIONAL.

WELL THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION.

SHORTLY AFTERWARDS WHEN THIS THE MORATORIUM - >> HE ACKNOWLEDGED UP FRONT THAT IT WAS UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

>> -- MORATORIUM WAS COMING UP THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION CAME FORWARD AND SAID WELL IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S CONSTITUTIONAL AT ONE OF HIS SPOKESMAN SAID HE'S KICKED ALL THE TIRES AND IT LOOKS UNCONSTITUTIONAL AND THEN THEY TURNED AROUND AND DID IT ANYWAY.

AND HIS SPOKESWOMAN JEN PSAKI TRIED TO COME OUT AND SAY THIS WAS A BRAND NEW MORATORIUM.

SO IT'S NOT AFFECTED BY THE PREVIOUS SUPREME COURT RULING.

NO ONE REALLY BUYS THAT, THIS LOOKS LIKE A SLAP IN THE FACE OF THE SUPREME COURT WHICH WAS READY TO RULE 5-4, THE WHOLE THING WAS UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

>> IS THIS AN ASSAULT ON PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS YOU THINK?

>> WELL IT IT CERTAINLY AFFECTS PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS MEAN THAT THE LANDLORDS AND THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY ARE THE OWNERS, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE A CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATION TO PAY THE RENT, FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, ESPECIALLY THE CDC WHICH DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH HOUSING FOR THEM TO COME FORWARD AND SAY YOU CAN'T EVICT SOMEONE IT JUST SHOWS FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OVERREACH AT A WHOLE NEW LEVEL.

>> JONAH >> WELL, THE CDC'S REASONING IS THAT THE DATA HAS SHOWN THAT IF PEOPLE DON'T HAVE A PLACE TO LIVE, THEN THERE'S POTENTIAL FOR THEM TO BE SPREADING THE VIRUS BECAUSE IF THEY HAVE A PLACE TO LIVE THAN MAKING QUARANTINE THEY CAN ISOLATE.

I'M JUST EXPLAINING WHAT THEIR SAYING.

[LAUGHTER] >> WE'RE LISTENING.

>> HASHTAG THE SCIENCE.

LOOK THERE'S I THINK THERE ARE SOME DEEPER ROOTED ISSUES HERE WHICH IS WHERE ARE PEOPLE GOING TO LIVE BECAUSE THE COST OF LIVING IS GETTING SO HIGH THAT PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD TO STAY WHERE THEY ARE AND THAT'S BECAUSE THERE'S SUCH A LOW SUPPLY OF HOUSING AND WE CERTAINLY HAVE THIS PROBLEM HERE IN NORTH CAROLINA, WHETHER YOU'RE IN RALEIGH WHETHER YOU'RE IN CHARLOTTE, EVEN IF YOU'RE IN CHATHAM COUNTY WHERE THEY CAN'T BUILD HOUSES FAST ENOUGH FOR PEOPLE TO GET HERE SO WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING.

IT'S A SUPPLY AND DEMAND ISSUE.

SUPPLY GOES DOWN COST GOES UP AND THEREFORE YOU JUST DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PLACES TO PUT PEOPLE.

SO YOU EITHER HAVE A HOMELESS PROBLEM.

LOOK AT SEATTLE.

LOOK AT SAN FRANCISCO.

LOOK AT NEW YORK CITY AND START TO LOOK AT ALL THE PANHANDLERS AS YOU GET OFF OF 40 OR GET OFF OF SOME OF THE OTHER HIGHWAYS, LIKE 77, OR YOU START TO HAVE THIS EVICTION CRISIS WHERE, OKAY WE CAN STAY IN THERE BUT THEY HAVE TO PAY AND THERE'S NOWHERE TO GO, SO THIS MAYBE NOT EVEN A FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ISSUE IT GOES DOWN TO THE STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS -- >> WELL THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

IS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, THE BEST DELIVERY SYSTEM, ERIN, AND BY THE WAY A LOT OF THESE LANDLORDS THEY DEPEND ON THIS INCOME.

>> THAT'S RIGHT AND I THINK AND TO YOUR POINT YOU KNOW I THINK THE CDC'S ORDER MANY COULD MAKE THE ARGUMENT THAT IT WOULD EXACERBATE HOUSING SHORTAGES BY TAKING AWAY FUNDING FROM DEVELOPERS AND BESIDES THE CONSTITUTIONALITY STANDPOINT OF THIS.

I DO THINK ROBERT HAD A GOOD POINT EARLIER TODAY.

THAT YOU KNOW FROM A CONSISTENCY AND RELIABILITY STANDPOINT FOR LANDLORDS, YOU KNOW THEY WANT TO SEE PEOPLE IN THERE THEY'RE GOING TO BE PAYING THEIR RENT AND SOME CONSISTENCY THERE FOR THEM TO TO PLAN ON THE FUTURE SO YOU KNOW WITH THAT ISSUE.

>> OK LET'S GO TO THE MOST UNDERREPORTED STORY OF THE WEEK MITCH THIS IS ONE THAT'S GOING TO I THINK MAKE A LOT OF PEOPLE SAD.

A MAJORITY OF AMERICANS BELIEVE THAT THE WORST OF THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC IS STILL AHEAD OF US AND THAT IS A CHANGE.

THIS WAS A RECENT POLL.

HARRIS POLL, 54% IN THIS MOST RECENT POLL BELIEVE THAT THE WORST OF THE PANDEMIC IS STILL AHEAD OF US COMPARED TO 46% WHO THINK IT'S BEHIND US THAT'S A SHARP CONTRAST FROM THE BEGINNING OF JULY WHEN 70% STILL THOUGHT THAT THE WORST WAS BEHIND US AND WE WERE MOVING FORWARD, RISING CONCERNS ABOUT THE DELTA VARIANT ARE A MAJOR REASON FOR THIS 76% OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS POLL SAY THEY ARE VERY OR SOMEWHAT CONCERNED ABOUT THAT VARIANT.

>> YOU THINK ALL THESE MANDATES HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH THAT?

>> I THINK THE MANDATES DO, I THINK MEDIA COVERAGE DOES, [JONAH] HEY!

[LAUGHTER] I THINK A LOT OF WHAT WE'RE HEARING ABOUT THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC NOW COMPARED TO WHAT WE WERE A FEW MONTHS AGO IS HAVING PEOPLE SAY.

'I DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS IS GOING OUT THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE OUT OF THIS BY NOW' AND THEY'RE STILL CONCERNED THAT WE'RE NOT.

>> ROBERT.

>> A RECORD NUMBER OF EARTHQUAKES AT YOSEMITE VOLCANO AND THE REASON THAT -- >> [MARC] GOOD NEWS ALL ROUND.

[LAUGHTER] >> EXACTLY!

AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT GOT PEOPLE CONCERNED IS THE FACT THAT THE YOSEMITE VOLCANO HAS BEEN RESPONSIBLE FOR 3 MAJOR ERUPTIONS THAT -- AND IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT VOLCANOES AND SPECIAL SUPER VOLCANOES, THOSE COULD BE SERIOUS.

NOW THE GOOD NEWS IS OUR EXPERTS TELL US THAT EVEN THOUGH THEY HAD THIS RECORD NUMBER OF EARTHQUAKES THAT DOES NOT SIGNIFY THAT YOSIMITE IS READY TO BLOW.

SO WE'RE GOOD FOR RIGHT NOW.

OKAY, JONAH.

>> WE'LL I HAVE TO BE BEARER MORE BAD NEWS.

LOOK THERE'S THERE'S A LOT OF TALK OF GEOPOLITICS WHEN IT COMES TO RUSSIA AND CHINA, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE PERSIAN GULF RIGHT NOW THERE'S SOME SIGNIFICANT TENSIONS RISING WITH IRAN IN A SHADOW WAR BETWEEN IRAN AND THE WEST.

THERE ARE SOME PRIVATE SHIPS THAT HAVE TIES TO BRITISH COMPANIES, ISRAELI COMPANIES THAT ACTUALLY BEEN ATTACKED AND SOME HAVE BEEN HIJACKED, AND THERE WAS ONE ATTACK BY A DRONE THAT WAS ACTUALLY CONDEMNED BY THE EUROPEAN UNION AND GREAT BRITAIN AND THE UNITED STATES.

ALL BASICALLY CONFIRMED BY INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES THIS WAS LINKED TO IRAN, AND THEN OVER THE LAST COUPLE DAYS, YOU HAVE IRAN'S PROXY HIZBOLLAH ACTUALLY LAUNCHING ROCKETS NOW INTO ISRAEL.

WE'VE HEARD OF GAZA AND THOSE ROCKETS ANOTHER HAMAS ANOTHER IRAN PROXY HAMAS, BUT NOW IT'S BECAUSE BY LAW AND IRAN THEY'VE NOW JUST THERE'S A NEW PRESIDENT THERE NOT ROUHANI WHICH WAS SUPPOSEDLY SUPPOSED TO BE MODERATE NOW THERE'S A MUCH MORE CONSERVATIVE PRESIDENT IN IRAN.

>> WHAT'S BEEN THE BIDEN RESPONSE?

>> WELL RIGHT NOW IT'S BEEN KIND OF MUTED.

I THINK THEY'VE BEEN DISCUSSING POTENTIALLY GETTING BACK INTO A NEW IRAN DEAL TO TRY AND CURB THEIR NUCLEAR WEAPONS PROGRAM, BUT EVEN SECRETARY OF STATE ANTHONY BLINKEN SAYING PROBABLY NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

>> AND BY THE WAY THEY'RE GOING TO PUT A CONSULATE I THINK IN PALESTINE CORRECT?

>> WELL POTENTIALLY IN A CONSULATE FOR THE PALESTINIAN TERRITORIES POTENTIALLY IN JERUSALEM, BUT SO FAR THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION TO ITS CREDIT HAS KIND OF KIND OF HELD BACK ON THAT TRYING TO NEGOTIATE WITH THE NEW PRIME MINISTER NAFTALI BENNETT WHO WILL BE MAKING A VISIT TO THE U.S.

IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS.

>> ERIN, UNDERREPORTED PLEASE?

>> I WANT TO BRING SOME POSITIVITY TO THIS CONVERSATION.

>> THERE ARE 33 ATHLETES IN NORTH CAROLINA REPRESENTING US ON TEAM USA IN TOKYO AND SO FAR I'VE COUNTED 6 MEDALS, BUT I THINK WE CAN ALL BE VERY PROUD OF OUR ATHLETES IN NORTH CAROLINA, 2 OF WHOM ARE FROM SOUTHERN WAKE COUNTY HAVE TO SAY, ANDREW CAPO BIANCO WON THE SILVER MEDAL AND 3 METER SPRINGBOARD SYNCHRONIZED DIVE AND THEN DANIEL DHERS WHO'S A BUSINESS OWNER.

AND ALSO AND AN ATHLETE OF COURSE WON THE SILVER MEDAL IN BMX FOR HIS BUT FOR HIS HOME NATIVE LAND IN VENEZUELA.

>> OK, LET'S GO LIGHTNING ROUND, MITCH WHO'S UP AND WHO'S DOWN THIS WEEK?

>> WELL MY UP YOU THINK MIGHT BE GOOD BUT IT'S BAD NEWS.

MURDERS IN WASHINGTON DC THERE WERE 21.

>> [JONAH] NOTHING TO LAUGH ABOUT.

>> THERE WERE 21 IN JULY ALONE AND THAT WAS NEARLY 3 TIMES AS MANY AS DEATHS FROM THE CORONAVIRUS THE CITY HIT 100 HOMICIDES FOR THE YEAR ON JULY 10TH, THAT'S THE EARLIEST SINCE 2003.

MY DOWN, OPPONENTS OF GAMBLING IN NORTH CAROLINA, THE SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE PASSED SENATE BILL 6.88, WHICH WOULD LEGALIZE SPORTS WAGERING IN NORTH CAROLINA, ONLY 2 PEOPLE SPOKE AGAINST IT FROM THE FAMILY POLICY COUNCIL, AND THE CHRISTIAN ACTION LEAGUE.

I THINK THE SUPPORTERS KNEW THAT THEY WERE SO CONFIDENT ABOUT THIS BILL THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO TALK ABOUT IT.

>> ROBERT.

>> I'M GOING TO TRY TO BRING SOME POSITIVITY INSTEAD OF MITCH GOING TWICE WITH BAD THINGS BUT REMOTE WORK.

AMERICANS HAVE BEEN POLLED AND IT TURNS OUT THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD BE WILLING TO TAKE A PAY CUT IN ORDER TO KEEP WORKING FROM HOME.

DOWN AMAZON.

THEY'RE BACK AT IT AGAIN WITH UNIONS BECAUSE AT THIS POINT N L R B SAID THAT THEY TAINT THE LAST PROCESS SO THE GOING TO HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE PROCESS ABOUT UNIONIZING IN ALABAMA.

>> DON'T LOOK FOR A CONTRIBUTION.

GO AHEAD.

>> WE LAUGH BECAUSE THAT'S I MEAN THERE'S NO OTHER WAY REALLY TO REACT.

IT'S LIKE THERAPY FOR US, BUT THE UP THIS WEEK IS THE GOVERNOR'S MILLION DOLLAR GIVEAWAY FOR THE VACCINE, YOU LIKE TO SEE THAT IT'S GOING TO BE HELPING GOOD PEOPLE AND AUDREY CHAVIS WHO IS 18 YEARS OLD.

SHE WAS THE LAST WINNER AND YOU KNOW SHE WORKS 2 JOBS.

SHE'S GOING TO BE AN INCOMING FRESHMAN AT FAYETTEVILLE STATE UNIVERSITY AND THIS IS JUST A NICE STORY.

SHE TALKED ABOUT HOW SHE THOUGHT ABOUT IT FOR A LONG TIME, BUT SHE REALIZED HOW TOUGH IT WAS TO BE IN HIGH SCHOOL WEARING MASKS, WANTED TO GET OUT OF IT, AND JUST AN INSPIRING STORY ABOUT HELPING THE COMMUNITY.

WHO'S DOWN.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY PRESIDENT OBAMA BUT YOUR PARTY NOT A GOOD LOOK WHEN YOU'RE ABOUT TO HOST FOUR OR 500 PEOPLE IN MARTHA'S VINEYARD.

>> [MARC] SUPERSPREADER EVENT.

>> POTENTIALLY.

YOU KNOW LOOK WHETHER OR NOT YOU BELIEVE HASHTAG THE SCIENCE, IT'S JUST NOT A GOOD LOOK WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR COLLEAGUE AND YOUR FORMER VICE PRESIDENT, NOW PRESIDENT TRYING TO URGE PEOPLE BE CAREFUL, WE'RE STILL IN THIS, AND THEN YOU GO AHEAD AND HAVE A BIG PARTY.

>> ERIN WHO'S UP AND WHO'S DOWN THIS WEEK?

>> UP THIS WEEK SCHOOL CHOICE ADVOCATES.

A RECENT POLL CONDUCTED BY REAL CLEAR OPINION RESEARCH SHOWED A STRONG MAJORITY OF SUPPORT FOR SCHOOL CHOICE AT 74% AND IT WAS ACROSS PARTY LINES.

70% OF INDEPENDENTS, 70% OF DEMOCRATS AND 83% OF REPUBLICANS ALL ARE FINDING THAT THEY THINK SCHOOL CHOICE IS A GOOD IDEA.

SOME OF THAT COULD BE BECAUSE OF THE COVID SHUT DOWN SOME PEOPLE STARTED LOOKING FOR OTHER OPTIONS INTO A CRITICAL RACE THEORY IN SCHOOLS.

WHO'S DOWN, NEW YORK GOVERNOR ANDREW CUOMO.

I MEAN THIS IS A HORRIBLE WEEK FOR HIM, I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE ABOUT THAT.

5 MONTH INVESTIGATION CONDUCTED BY 2 OUTSIDE LAWYERS FOUND THAT CUOMO'S ADMINISTRATION WAS A QUOTE 'HOSTILE WORK ENVIRONMENT' AND WAS RIFE WITH FEAR AND INTIMIDATION OF COURSE ALL THE SEXUAL ASSAULT ALLEGATIONS PEOPLE FROM HIS OWN PARTY ARE CALLING FOR HIM TO RESIGN.

>> HE'S GOT A SHORT SHELF LIFE I THINK.

>> MITCH HEADLINE NEXT WEEK.

>> IF GOVERNOR COOPER'S GETTING INVOLVED YOU KNOW THAT IT'S OVER FOR MY HEADLINE WITH THE HOUSE VOTE TO APPROVE THE BUDGET PLAN NEGOTIATORS SPRINT TOWARD A FINAL DEAL.

>> HEADLINE NEXT WEEK?

>> HOUSE BUDGET PASSES AT THE SAME TIME THAT THE HOUSE BEGINS NEGOTIATIONS REGARDING REDISTRICTING.

>> ARE THEY CONSULTING WITH YOU ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE MUCH?

ON A BUDGET.

ON WHERE WE HAVE OUR OFFICES, YES.

[LAUGHTER] >> HEADLINE NEXT WEEK?

>> THAT WAS A GOOD GOOD TIP.

THANK YOU.

[LAUGHTER] HEADLINE NEXT WEEK.

TEACHERS ALREADY NERVOUS ABOUT THE START OF SCHOOL NOW START RAISING ALARMS AND YOU'LL HEAR MORE DEBATE IN SCHOOL SCHOOL BOARDS.

>> HEADLINE NEXT WEEK?

>> FORMERLY, A SMALL TOWN HOLLY SPRINGS, NORTH CAROLINA IS ON TRACK TO BE A GLOBAL HUB FOR THE BIOTECHNOLOGY INDUSTRY.

>> A LOT OF BUSINESSES ARE COMING IN.

NAME A FEW QUICKLY >> AMGEN AND FUJIFILM, DIONYSUS IS COMING TO HOLLY SPRINGS.

>> GREAT JOB PANEL.

THAT'S IT FOR US, THANKS FOR WATCHING.

HOPE TO SEE YOU NEXT WEEK ON FRONT ROW.

HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND.

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