>> Welcome to Columbus on therecord.

We know what voters will seewhen they cast their ballots inAugust special election.

They will decide whether tomake it harder to change theConstitution by requiring a 60%majority and tougher signaturegathering requirement.

Rather than the word harder,Arthur's of the language preferthe word elevate.

They asked voters if they wantto elevatethe standard to passan amendment.

Whether to elevate the processor make it difficult to moveaims to thwart Novemberspossible both of an amendmentto guarantee abortion rights.

Democrats and supporters andopponents of the measure do notlike the wording.

>> No they don't.

Elevate, sounds like somethingyou write in a restaurantreview, not on the ballot issue.

They said they want to make itsimpler.

Simple means, like fewersyllables.

Elevate is three.

Raise?

It is one.

They don't like that, but theydon't like other aspects of itthat apparently illegal.

Some of it you have to decideof the ticket the courts.

Whether it is something theaverage voter will think of andit's something they are makingitbetter, or if the increasingrequirements?

There are other issues aboutwhether or notthe 5% of theeligible voters of each countyare represented in thesignature collection.

And not eligible voters,itshouldn't be and usually isn't.

>> The definition of elevate isto raise.

They are raising the threshold.

Raising the requirements.

Are voters really going to --people who vote in theelection, I think will they notknow what they're voting on?

These are motivated folks goinginto the special election.

>>Because August specialelection are run under mostpeople's radars, and they turnout abysmally low, it'll bethose who the advocates on bothsides bring out threeadvertising, through a hugegetout the vote effort.

And other things.

Those campaigns will be duelingdescriptions, as well asDemocrats who voted against themeasure.

They will writean argumentagainst it.

That voters will see, andRepublicans will get to writeone for.

>> How many people read thisstuff the ballot box?

>> Not many.

The wording that goes on theballot,I would guess less than5% of voters actually read it .

If everybody read it, it wouldtake forever for us to vote.

Those are long.

>> With elections with a linesare long and they blamed thelength of the ballot questions.

>> What Julie said is right.

Everybody voting in this,August, is going to be eitherone side or the other.

They will know what the issueis.

The wording on the ballotreally will not make adifference.

Twowe are skipping over animportant element of thisthing.

>> That is the basis of theballot.

It may not happen.

Cleveland law shall --suggested the problem is notthat the Constitution doesn'tprovide for you puttinga newconstitution amendment to jointresolution.

The Constitution demands it bedone that way.

A law was passed less than ayear ago saying that, theAugust election could only beheld, in cases of fiscalemergency.

The issue is not whether theinitial procedure was bad, orwhether the election itself canbe held in August.

>> The case was settled.

It goes to the house SupremeCourt.

I think they would expedite it.

For the eaves.

We had another brief onyesterday.

I think that will try to getitdecided sooner rather thanlater.

It also may be that they,theywait in and confuse thingsmore.

The important thing is theyknow what they want to they canput together their ads, one wayor another.

The updated reference remains,they can probably help withthat if they play their cardsright.

>> In the past year, Arkansasand South Dakota both shotdown60% voted threshold proposals.

They were notclose, it wasbasically 60/40.

It was only applied to taxes.

>> It is going to be interestingopen election.

I mentioned this before on theshow.

I've been in favor of the 60%.

My basis was, from what thecasino guys did in 2011.

With the marijuana guys did in2015.

You get the special interestgroups coming in and prettymuch did heading to the stateof Ohio how they will dobusiness.

Because they inserted in theConstitution,I thought backthen, we got to do somethingabout that.

Unfortunately, they are dealingwith it while we are in themidst of an abortion debate.

It's all about abortion.

The problem we will get intohis weevil legislate--weevillegislate by constitutionalamendment.

What can happen is, if thebushmen --abortion amendmentpasses in November, we willhave an abortion amendment withparental notification andconsent in it.

Maybe, 15 week limit if it ispopular.

Legislator gets the put it onwith no problem.

>> As a 60% campaign plays out,the campaign to passa NovemberBush amendment continues.

Supporters of abortion rights,halfway through the time.

They have to collect 413,000ballot voter signatures ,volunteer and paid signaturegatherersare popping up onbusy street corners.

They have until July 5th tocollect signatures to qualifyfor the November ballot.

Any idea where they stand ontheir effort?

How they are doing , theabortion-rights supportersquestion mark >> I am told they are on track.

>> The goalis to get nearlydouble what they need.

So they don't have to wastetime with our care.

That allows them 10 additionaldays to get a valid signature.

Of course they have a wrenchthat could come a couple ofwrenches,one of which there isa lawsuit before the SupremeCourt.

Should the ballot would havesplit this into two issues.

That has been fully briefedsince April 7th.

We are still waiting to hear.

The minute they decide that,should they go against thegroup?

The abortion-rights folks?

They would have to start over,and they would have togethertwice as many.

>> Youknow, it is hard toleave the house and not beapproached.

I would the other.

One thing I learned,the paidsolicitors for this, many ofthem come from out of state.

I didn't know this with theprocess for doing this.

The numbers are reallyunbelievable.

As to how many people are doingit.

How many people declined tosign.

This is sickly, it's going tobe some number of people thatwould not.

>> I was headed last week.

All the crowdwas haulingtowards the stadium.

Around several of themgatheredwaiting to sign.

Others were not.

Others were standing there andwalking up to peopleindividually.

It's really anecdotal at thispoint.

There was no question they havecarpeted the state.

Unlike a lot of theseoutsideinterest type campaigns, a lotof them are volunteers.

Every event they go to, theyare breaking the clipboard withthem.

>> They're targeting moresuburban areas.

>> I saw a couple in downtown,it's a good areabecause theybecome much more liberal,Democrat, over the years.

I expect them to get on theballot.

I don't think that will haveany problem getting on theballot.

The heavy-handed tactics thatwe saw during the nuclearbailout with the Teal effort.

>> I don't think anybody'sgetting bribed in this.

If they don't make that a July5th deadline, they can stillcome back to 24.

If one of this doesn't go theirway, same thing.

They will be a good company thenbecause there are many abortionin the issues coming up on the24th.

It'll be on the national radar ,the largest ballot issued inthe country.

>> There was disagreement inthe pro-abortion people aboutonce go on this.

You had one segment that wantedto do it this year.

There was another segment thatwanted to wait until next year,which I understood because theelectorate is so much better.

It's probably going to be thepotential forget both sides.

Democrats will definitely votein that presidential year.

>>Where would it go?

Do you think it'll be grasswith or TV?

>> TV.

>> Do you think that'sthe mosteffective way to get people outof the pole for the low turnelection?

>> That's the perennialquestion.

At this day and age, you don'treally know how was thepeoplelearning about issues and so on.

Is it TikTok?

I mean, you're in the business.

Can Imake a comment about,because Bob is 100% correct withprospective gamblingmarijuanawithout status stress.

Both are consistent with thedirection of society, not justOhio but everywhere else.

>> I'm glad you brought it up.

>> That was on their side.

>> They failed.

The wisdom of the votersprevailed.

>> How wise with a WynnCasinos?

>> With the casinos,they hadgone to ballots multiple times.

The legislator would not takeaction on its own.

That is why,in 1912, they gavevoters the right in the firstplace.

Because the legislature was socorrupted by special interest,the robber barons and so on,they had to give rights back tothe voters of the people.

Let them do what they wanted todo.

And not what special intereststhat control the legislatorswant to do.

Problem is, we let casinoowners how they could operate.

What actual locations wherethere, that was the measure.

>> They could've done it rightnow, but they wait until votersare desperate.

The state was surrounded by it.

>> We should point out, wealready fixed the monopolyissue in our Constitutionseparately from this.

This comes up a lot about thecasino issue.

The monopoly is alreadylegalized , thevoters make thatpossible.

>> Out-of-statespecialinterest is funded by thecampaign.

>> Ohio State's Board ofTrusteesshould aware publicstatement, saying they opposedcontroversial bill at theStatehouse.

Once the bill passes, we wishyou could break the law takes astand on controversial topics.

It is known as Senate Bill 83,it'll ban most diversitytraining requirements.

It'll ban faculty from striking,and allows professors andstudents to expressintellectual diversity limitspartnerships with Chineseorganizations.

The bill moves to the house,and approved, it'll go throughthe covenant.

The goal for conservatives thisincrease intellectual diversityon campus, will it do it?

>> No, I don't think it'll doit.

My concern with this entiredirection, first of all, youhave governmental interference.

In saying what professorswhatcan say by them, and whatdirection universities aresupposed to take.

I don't think they will besuccessful in accomplishingwhat they think they willaccomplish.

But I'm also concerned becauseuniversities are historically,they've given both sides .

Conservative and liberal.

The problem is, what isconservative anymore?

Are we talking about climatechange was to climate change,that's a scientific question.

>> How do youdefineintellectual diversity?

>> I think itmeans he let allviewpoints be known in aclassroom setting.

I think universities havebrought this on themselves.

I think, to use a liberal term--Joe, by the way, I like yournot governing --like ingoverning interference rightnow.

I'll use liberal terms,conservatives are marginalizedin university settings.

We've seen many instances whereyoung Republican and collegegroups are trying to bring inspeakers thatuniversities haveshut down.

They usually get the excuse, weare doing it for safetyreasons.

Universities have brought thison themselves.

This is their problem.

>>I will say, it is clear,they could've written the lawin such a way.

For example, in everyuniversity with a diversity,equity and inclusion policy,you mustexplicitly say,conservative, liberal.

Make sure they are represented.

There was a way to do this thatwas not as confrontational.

Or as far-reaching as this.

>> 20 think of a liberalcollege, I don't think of OhioState.

I think of Overland, I think ofconservative universities.

Liberty and Cedarville.

Is a more of private schools,were a true value schools andlack of intellectual diversityoccurs customer >> and Ohio State, you havedifferent limits.

The business school is not abastion of liberalism at OhioState, I can guarantee you ofthat.

My neighbor went to Ohio State.

Scholar.

She is far from some kind ofbastion of liberalism overthere.

You can go to all differentkinds of schools for alldifferent kinds of swings onthings.

You can go to Hillsdale Collegeif you want to be immersed inconservatism.

Even I want to say, even like aplace like Ohio State's, you'llfind many variations on a themeat a school to size.

Two there someway we can tell,every professor at Ohio Statevotedin the 2020 election,what you think we would find?

>> I don't know.

The point is, we can't tell.

Who's going to be the judge andarbiter of all of these nuances?

>> We have the students, theyare not happy because of thewith professors are teaching!

>> There was asteady reportthat says,it's more of astudent's fear of being shunnedby classmates and friends forexpressing an unpopularpolitical view than the fear ofprofessors.

>> The issues have always beenthat universities have done agood shop providing for bothsides.

For many questions.

That is done at the macrolevel.

You are teaching in theclassroom that you havelectures come in and specialguests.

General assembly is trying todo this at the micro level.

Each individual professor.

By the way, Bob, you'reabsolutely right.

I am complaining aboutgovernment interference andhigher education only.

The rest of the time, I'm onboard.

>> Lawmakers in Ohio, andaround the country, they'relooking to change curriculumsfor kids in grade school andhigh school.

The day before the house wouldcreate new social studiesstandards, based on Americanbirthrate civics standards.

The curriculum emphasizes love,liberty and law.

In America other prosperity toancestors to secure theirfreedom.

It deemphasizes the history ofslavery and the removal ofNative American populations.

Supporters sayteachers havefocused too much on thisnation's mistakes.

This fostered a lot ofresentment.

10 leave--why not leavehistory to the history folks?

Is a professor at Ohio Statedoes talk about what wediscussed, but bill.

Senate Bill 83.

The problem we have here is wehave to educate more about theFirst Amendment.

So that when kids had college,the youngpeople, theyunderstand it is not right toshut down because they disagreewith you.

How do we teach that?

We teach it at that level.

Those are the kinds of thingswe have to worry about.

They are not being done now.

That's why we have some andcollege age students who say,they think they have a right toshut down somebody because theydon't agree with them.

>> I was on a panel on civilityin politics last week.

Posted by the Bar Association.

Little kids are watchingleaders not be civil.

Polls are being shown, peopledon't want the politicians tocompromise.

They don't think that's whatgovernment is about anymore.

Nationally, in terms of how tobe --how dowe come back onanagreed-upon set of facts we canlive with and be proud to beAmerican?

For decades, history downplayedthe negative aspects, the badaspects of American history.

Particularly, it was told fromthe weight perspective.

In recent years, since theJewish fluid murder, --sincethe George Floyd murder, it'sgone the other way.

They were corrected and theywere errors.

Has this one to for the otherway, isthere a middle ground?

>> Absolutely.

Middle ground lies in exposingon both sides.

On the glorification ofmanifest destiny, for example.

And downplaying of the evils ofhuman beings owning other humanbeings.

I think the middle ground liesand exposure to the true history, every single element of it.

Messy and not messy.

>> We learn about constructionof our interstate highwaysystem.

You can have one side sayingthis was progress and here'swhy.

You can have another side whichis not what I learned growingup saying, by the way, itdisplaced hundreds of thousandsof not only people, butcommunities, ripped them apartas theybuild whatever you callit.

270sof the world and 3/15 ofthe world.

That's the balance I wouldthink we would talk aboutgetting gettingfrom ourhistory lessons.

Not somebody was evil and doingit.

There is ample evidence theyabsolutely know what they weredoing.

There is.

You have to tell both sites.

>> Let's get to the finaltopics.

After two straight weekends ofnonviolence, the mayor isimposing a partial involuntarycurfew on the neighborhood.

Lastly, somebody shot andkilled a 21-year-old man in theshort North.

Week before, shootout left 10people injured, to preventmoreviolence, Columbus mayor askedneighborhood businesses tovoluntary close early atmidnight on Fridays, Saturdaysand Sundays.

While it is stilla recommendation, he thinksbusinesses will do the rightthing.

>> This is what is in thecommunity interest.

The common good!

If they don't, they willhavethe full and undividedattention ofcity, county,state law enforcement.

To make sure that everybody isdoing their part to keep safe!

>> Bob, correct?

Shades of COBIT,the racialcurfews.

Shedding the business is down,will this help the problem?

>> I have threewords for themayor, okay?

Do.

Your.

Job.

He should be doing his job.

Don't put this on --are thesecrimes occurring because peopleare leavingthese bars in theshort North and committingcrimes?

Well, that's not happening.

Okay, all right.

So much so, they just changedthe end time for food trucks.

From 3:00 a. m. to 2:00 a. m. It was supposedly the keypeople off the streets, mixingsafer.

What happened in that too much?

Things got worse, not better.

He talks about,this is theright thing to do.

Why?

Why is it the right thing todo?

I know why.

>> The longer the eveningprogresses, the more drinkingthere is.

Let's not forget, the incidentsthat brought it about have todo with gunplay.

If the city,standing behindthe mayor, who I think is doinghis job, he's not making itmandatory either.

If we are prohibited fromtrying to control gunplay inany other way, then, wewill doit anyway that we can.

And by the way, I'm not surethat all businesses will goalong with it.

>> They think the majoritywell.

>> I don'tget why they use theword voluntary here.

Go back to the waiting.

If you do not voluntarily doit, the full measure of theblah, blah, blah.

That's not voluntary, that's athreat, for one thing.

The problem is not peoplecoming out of the bars.

They are not the ones with gunsshooting people up.

I don't see how that is sheddingdown the bars will make adifference.

>> It gets to the point.

That I think it was making.

Ohio cities have manyrestrictions on what they areable to do in terms of limitingguns legally.

They are trying to takecreative measures to try to getthe community involvedinsolving this problem.

>>'s two shootings in ashortamount of time.

Low driving Park.

In Frankel 10.

Why no curfews there?

>> There might have to be.

I was thinking about this justa few minutes ago.

The one measure that actuallyworked was when I was executedin New York in the 90s.

And, that was every day,theyplanned out where there mightbe hotspots and they sent tothe police there.

Rather than punishing businessowners.

>> Final parting shots?

What Osama going to saythanother to celebrate the career?

I've been at two of her lastappearances on the recordconsecutively.

And you are a treasure to thecommunity.

Thank you so much.

I want to know where else am Igoing to Linda night skies ,spiders and hemorrhoids.

God bless you.

>>I've known Ann for almost 35years.

A long time.

She started writing at theStatehouse for my hometownnewspaper.

One thing about Anna, she wouldalso call me, whether she waswriting for the blade,dispatch, or calling in theradio show.

She would bring me on and letme give my side.

My people criticize the mediaall the time.

But a reporter like this, goodreporter.

She lets you see your face.

>> With that,it's been aprivilege working with you .

Especially being on the spot.

On life.

On life , lived.

Being able to toss ideas backand forth with you.

Doesn't mean I don't have thesame thing?

>> No, thank you.

He's like one of the firstpeople I ever met at theStatehouse.

When he first came to theStatehouse, I've known you for100 years it feels like.

I have everythingI talk aboutpolitics, look at his putts.

It's been a privilege to bewith you guys throughout allthe years.

You too, make.

>> Farewell, and.

That'll put us on the recordfor this week.

Check us out on the line--online, and from our crew ,please have a good week!

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