>> Ted: NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON, THE STATE SUPREME COURT BEGINS HEARINGS IN A LONG ANTICIPATED HIGH PROFILE CASE INVOLVING ABORTION RIGHTS.

>>> ALSO TONIGHT, AN EFFORT TO ASSIST FAMILIES AND THEIR PETS FACING HOMELESSNESS.

AND IT'S ONLY ROCK AND ROLL TO A LOCAL GROUP OF MOONLIGHTING MEDICAL DOCTORS.

THOSETHOSE STORIES AND MORE ARE NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON.

>> THIS HOUR OF LOCAL NEWS IS MADE POSSIBLE BY CONTRIBUTIONS FROM THE FRIENDS OF PBS, MEMBERS OF YOUR PBS STATION.

THANK YOU.

>> Ted: GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO ARIZONA HORIZON.

I'M TED SIMONS.

THE STATE SUPREME COURT TODAY HEARD ORAL ARGUMENTS IN THE HIGH PROFILE ABORTION CASE THAT COULD DEFINE THE FUTURE OF ABORTION RIGHTS IN ARIZONA.

THE CASE INVOLVES DECIDING BETWEEN TWO ABORTION LAWS.

ONE BANNING ABORTIONS EXCEPT TO SAVE THE LIFE OF THE MOTHER AND THE OTHER INVOLVES ABORTIONS UP TO 15 WEEKS.

THE COURT NOW MUST DECIDE WHICH LAW HOLDS SWAY AND THE COURT WILL MAKE THAT DECISION WITH SIX JUSTICES, AFTER JUSTICE BILL MONTGOMERY RECUSED HIMSELF.

MONTGOMERY WAS PART OF PLANNED PARENTHOOD INVOLVED IN THE CASE.

THE APPEAL APPELLATE COURT RULING WILL REMAIN IN EFFECT.

>>> EMBATTLED HARVARD GHOST PEPPER SAUSAGEHARVARD CLAUDINEGAY AFTER HER ANSWERS AFTER THE INCREASE OF CAMPUS ANTI-SEMITISM.

AT ONE POINT, GAY WOULDN'T EXPLICITLY AGREE CALLING FOR GENOCIDE OF JEWS IS HARASSMENT.

THE HIGHER GOVERNING BODY ANNOUNCED IT STANDS IN SUPPORT OF GAY AND THAT SHE IS, QUOTE, THE RIGHT LEADER TO HELP THE COMMUNITY HEAL.

>>> A NEW STUDY SHOWS THAT WASABI MAY IMPROVE SHORT TERM AND LONG-TERM MEMORY.

IT'STHREE MONTH STUDY FOUNDS THOSE 60 TO 80 WHO INGESTED WASABI COULD LEARN, STORE AND RETRIEVE INFORMATION.

>>> AS WE MENTIONED, THE ARIZONA SUPREME COURT HEARD ORAL ARGUMENTS IN A CASE IN WHICH THE JUSTICES DECIDE WHICH TWO ABORTION LAWS ON THE BOOKS WILL BE THE LAW OF THE LAND.

WE'RE JOINED NOW BY THE LEGAL COUNSEL FOR PLANNED PARENTHOOD ARIZONA.

WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME ON THIS BUSY DAY.

FOR THOSE NOT UP TO SPEED, WHAT DID THE JUSTICES HEAR TODAY?

>> SO TODAY, THE JUSTICES WERE CONSIDERING A PETITION FOR REVIEW FILED BY THE INTERVENERS IN THE CASE, DR. ERIC HAZELRIG AND DENNIS MCGRAY WHICH TO REVERSE PHYSICIANS WHO PERFORM ABORTIONS UP TO 15 WEEKS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE LAW PASSED IN 2022 CANNOT BE PROSECUTED UNDER WHAT WE CALL THE TERRITORIAL BAN JUST A MOMENT AGO.

IT WAS ENACTED DURING THE CRIMINAL LAW CRIMINALIZES ALL ABORTIONS IN THE STATE.

>> Ted: YOUR ARGUMENT THAT THE LAW SUPERCEDES THE PRE-STATEMENT LAW.

WHAT ARGUMENT DID YOU MAKE IN FRONT OF THE JUSTICES?

>> ALL ALONG THERE'S A FUNDAMENTAL CONFLICT BETWEEN A LAW WITH A CERTAIN CLASS OF CUBBING PERFORMING AN ABORTION AND A NEWER MORE SPECIFIC LAW THAT ALLOWS DOCTORS TO PERFORM AN ABORTION UP TO 15 WEEKS.

WHEN YOU HAVE TWO STATUTES THAT CONFLICT, COURTS HAVE TO DO WHAT THEY CALL HARMON HIGHSIZING THOSE TWO STATUTES.

THAT'S WHAT THE COURTS OF APPEAL DID UNDER WHICH THE PHYSICIANS WHO COMPLY WITH THAT LAW CANNOT BE PROSECUTED UNDER THAT TERRITORIAL BAN.

>> Ted: HARMONIZING THE LAW, WE SEE THAT A LOT IN STORES ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR CASE AND WE HEAR ABOUT IT A LOT.

WHEN YOU HARMONIZE, IT SOUNDS LIKE BOTH PARTS ARE AT PLAY AND WHAT PART OF THE OLDER LAW IS AT PLAY UNDER THE HARMONIZATION BY WAY OF APPEALS?

>> SO IN 1973, THE ARIZONA COURT OF THE APPEALS AND ULTIMATELY A PIMA COUNTY COURT JUDGE HELD THAT THE TERRITORIAL BAN WAS CONSTITUTIONAL TO ALL.

WHAT IT CRIMINALIZES IS ESSENTIALLY ANYBODY WHO HELPS TO PROCURE A MISCARRIAGE IS HOW THE STATUTE IS PHRASED.

HOW VINTAGE SUGGESTS, IT'S AN OLD TIME PHRASE.

AND SO WHAT WE ARGUED ALL ALONG IS THAT THE TERRITORIAL BAN REMAINS IN EFFECTIVE AND CAN BE ENFORCED AGAINST ANYBODY WHO IS NOT A PHYSICIAN WHO PROCURES A MISCARRIAGE IN VIOLATION OF THE TERRITORIAL BAN.

THERE ARE PROVIDERS OF ABORTION SERVICES IN ARIZONA WHO AFTER THE DOBB'S DECISION CAME UP WERE PUT IN AN INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT POSITION, WHO WERE HAVING TO CALL LAWYERS BEFORE PROVIDING HEALTHCARE TO PREGNANT ARIZONANS SEEKING OUT THEIR CARE.

AND WHY WHEN THEY SOUGHT TO LIFT THE IMPROVE JUNCTION IN THE ENTIRETY, PLANNED PARENTHOOD SAID NOT SO FAST ONE HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR 50 YEARS OF LEGISLATION THAT HAS HAPPENED SINCE BAN WAS FIRST ENJOINED.

>> Ted: YET, THE OTHER SIDE WILL ARGUE AND NO DOUBT DID TODAY THAT IT WAS ILLEGAL PRIOR TO ROE AND NOT SHOULD BE ILLEGAL NOW THAT ROE IS OVERTURNED.

HOW DO YOU RESPOND?

>> THAT'S A POLICY QUESTION FOR THE POLICY-MAKING BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT TO DECIDE.

AND IF THE LEGISLATURE TRULY WANTED THE TERRITORIAL BAN TO BE RESURRECTED AND SUPERCEDE ABORTION OVER THE PAST 50 YEARS, THEN IT SHOULD HAVE DONE SO CLEARLY AND EXPRESSLY.

AND THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, THE LEGISLATURE DIDN'T DO SO.

AS I TOLD THE JUSTICES THIS MORNING, THERE'S A GOOD REASON FOR THAT, WHICH IS THAT THE LEGISLATURE DIDN'T HAVE THE VOTES AND IT'S NOT THE COURT'S JOB TO FIX A PROBLEM OF THE LEGISLATURE'S MAKING HERE.

>> Ted: AGAIN, THE OTHER SIDE SAID THE OLD LAW HAS NEVER BEEN REPEALED AND IT'S NEVER BEEN AMENDED WHICH SUGGESTS THAT THE LEGISLATURE AND LAWMAKERS DIDN'T WANT THIS TO ENTIRELY GO AWAY AND HOW DO YOU RESPOND?

>> I AGREE, TED, THAT THE TERRITORIAL BAN HAS NEVER BEEN REPEALED EITHER DIRECTLY OR IMPLIABLY AND STATES CAN BE AMENDED IMPROVEAMEND IMPLIABLY AND THEY SAID THEY DO NOT INTEND TO IMPLY, TO REPEAL, IT DID NOT SAY THAT A SUBSEQUENT STATUTE COULDN'T AMEND OR THAT A SUBSEQUENT STATUTE COULDN'T LIMIT THAT.

THAT'S WHAT THE 15-WEEK LAW PASSED IN 2022 DID.

IT CREATED A NEW SET OF PERMISSIONS FOR PHYSICIANS TO PERFORM ABORTIONS WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THAT STATUTE.

>> Ted: YOU BROKE UP A LITTLE BIT AND I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR ON THIS NEW 15-WEEK LAW.

BASICALLY, IT SAID THAT IT DID NOT REPEAL THE TERRITORIAL LAW AND YOUR ARGUMENT WAS?

WE LOST YOU ON THAT ONE.

>> I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT.

MY ARGUMENT WAS THAT IT'S TRUE THAT THE TERRITORIAL BAN WAS NEVER REPEALED BUT NOTHING THAT THE LEGISLATURE PUT INTO THE 15-WEEK LAW SAID THAT IT COULDN'T BE -- THAT THE TERRITORIAL BAN COULD NOT BE IMPLIABLY AMENDED BY THE 15-WEEK LAW.

>> Ted: WHAT'S NEXT IN THIS CASE AND WHAT TIME TABLE ARE WE LOOKING AT?

>> SO NOW, TED, YOU'RE ASKING THE QUESTION ALL MY CLIENTS ASK AFTER AN ARGUMENT LIKE THIS BEEN WHEN WILL WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENS NEXT?

AND AT THIS POINT, THE COURT HAS TAKEN THE CASE UNDER ADVISEMENT AND THEY'LL ISSUE AN OPINION AS THEY LIKE TO SAY IN DUE COURSE.

IN MY EXPERIENCE, THAT COULD BE IN ONE MONTH.

IT COULD BE IN ONE YEAR AND WE HAVE NO IDEA.

WHAT I DO KNOW AND WHAT SHOULD BE CLEAR IS THAT WHILE WE WAIT FOR THE COURT'S DECISION, THE 15-WEEK LAW REMAINS IN EFFECT, PLANNED PARENTHOOD IS PROVIDING ABORTION SERVICES OTHER PROVIDERS ARE PROVIDING.

>> Ted: QUICKLY, AS FAR AS THE WAY YOU SEE THIS, WHAT IS AT STTA STAKE HERE?

>> THE ABILITY OF PREGNANT ARIZONANS TO SEEK THIS OUT AND IF THE TERRITORIAL BAN WERE TO BE ENFORCEABLE, IT WOULD HAVE A SEVERE CHILLING EFFECT NOT ONLY ON PHYSICIANS BUT ALSO ON THE PREGNANT ARIZONANS WHO WOULD SEEK THOSE PHYSICIANS OUST FOR OUT FOR THEIR CARE.

THAT'S A DANGEROUS WORLD TO LIVE IN.

WE SAW AN EXAMPLE IN TEXAS ABOUT THE TRAGEDIES THAT CAN HAPPEN WHEN YOU HAVE TOTAL BANS IN PLACE.

>> Ted: AND QUICKLY, BEFORE WE GO, THIS IS A PROCEDURAL AND MY CURIOSITY.

I FIND THIS FASCINATING.

HOW LONG DID YOU SPEAK BEFORE THE JUSTICES TODAY?

>> OUR SIDE OF THE CASE HAD A TOTAL OF 30 MINUTES.

I THINK I WAS UP THERE FOR 14 OF THE 30 MINUTES IF MY MATH WAS CORRECT.

I'M JUST HAPPY TO BE TALKING ABOUT THE CASE AND I THINK IT WAS A GOOD DAY FOR YOU.

WE FEEL CONFIDENT THE SUPREME COURT WILL DO THE CORRECT THING AND AFFIRM THE OPINION BELOW AND AFFIRM ARIZONANS HAVE ACCESS TO ABORTION UP TO 15 WEEKS.

>> Ted: LEGAL COUNSEL FOR PLANNED PARENTHOOD, THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, TED.

>> Ted: UP NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON, EFFORTS TO HELP FAMILIES AND THEIR PETS FACING HOMELESSNESS.

>> I'M AN O YORK IN SUCH OF ARCHEOLOGIST OF HIDDEN SITES AND MYTHOLOGY.

I'LL BE WORKING WITH A 3D SCANNING TEAM TO GET TO THE HEART OF THE WONDERS.

THEY CALL THIS "THE CITY OF THE GODS."

WELCOME TO INVISIBLE AN ATHENS.

>> WEDNESDAY ON ARIZONA PBS.

♪♪ ♪♪ >> Ted: FAMILY PROMISES AN ORGANIZATION THAT PROVIDES FAMILIES EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS WITH SHELTER, FOOD AND COMPASSION AND HAVE DAYCARE ASSISTANCE FOR KIDS AND THEY PROVIDE SHELTER AND FOOD FOR FAMILY PETS.

AND FOR MORE, WE WELCOME FAMILY PROMISE CEO TED TAYLOR AND JOINING US SOON WILL BE THE THERAPY CAT NAMED SNOWBALL.

[ Laughter ] >> Ted: I BELIEVE SNOWBALL IS MAKING A LATE ENTRANCE BECAUSE SNOWBALL IS JUST THAT WAY.

[ Laughter ] >> Ted: GOOD TO HAVE YOU ALL HERE AND SNOWBALL, GOOD TO HAVE YOU.

FAMILY PROMISE, GIVE ME A BETTER DEFINITION OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

>> WE'RE A SHELTER FOR FAMILIES IN THE VALLEY AND WE SHELTER IN CONGREGATIONS.

SO CHURCHES AND SYNAGOGS ALL OVER THE VALLEY SHELTER OUR FAMILIES.

>> Ted: HOW DO THEY DO SO?

YOU'RE TALKING ROOMS, SHELTERS AWAY FROM THE STORM?

>> YEAH, THEY ACTUALLY PROVIDE BEDROOMS FOR FOUR FAMILIES AT EACH CONGREGATION AT A TIME AND THEY SLEEP THERE AND THEY EAT THEIR EVENING MEAL THERE AND PROVIDE THE BREAKFAST AND LUMP LUNCH AT THE DAY CENTER.

>> Ted: SNOWBALL IS HERE FOR A REASON, NOT JUST BECAUSE HE'S A GOOD-LOOKING CAT BUT A THERAPY CAT.

>> SNOWBALL HAS BEEN HERE LONGER THAN ME.

I'VE BEEN HERE 13 YEARS AND HE'S BEEN HERE 14.

>> Ted: HE'S LOOKING GOOD FOR HIMSELF.

>> HE FOUND US AND THERE WERE TWO EMPLOYEES AT THE TIME, CHERYL AND MYSELF AND HE WAS JUST A UNIQUE CAT AND HE WOULD ATTRACT THE CHILDREN AND CHILDREN ARE TRAUMATIZED IN SHELTERS.

WE GOT USED TO HIM RUNNING HIS OWN SHOW ON THE CAMPUS.

>> Ted: THIS IS FAMILY WITH KIDS AND FAMILIES WITH PETS BUT A WAY TO GET FAMILIES BACK ON THEIR FEET.

TALK ABOUT THOSE SERVICES AND WHAT'S OFFERED.

>> FAMILY PROMISES IS DIFFERENT.

WE'RE A WORK PROGRAM IN THE SHELTER SYSTEM WHICH MEANS THAT OUR GOAL IS TO GET OUR FAMILIES BACK EMPLOYED AND BACK INTO THEIR OWN SUSTAINABLE HOUSING.

SO WE WORK REALLY HARD WITH FAMILIES TO NAVIGATE THE WORK SITUATION, TO GIVE BASIC SERVICE UNDERNEATH THEM AND GET THEM INTO HOUSING AGAIN.

>> Ted: GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE.

A FAMILY COMES IN AND THEY HAVE A COUPLE OF KIDS AND A SNOWBALL OF THEIR OWN, WHAT DO YOU DO FOR THEM AND WHERE DO YOU DIRECT THEM?

WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THEY'RE SHOWN WHERE TO GO?

>> THE FIRST THING IS WHEN A FAMILY COMES TO US, IT MEANS THEY'VE CROSSED A BIG BRIDGE TO PLACE A PHONE CALL THAT SAYS I CAN'T TAKE CARE OF MY KIDS ANYMORE, CAN YOU HELP ME.

WHEN WE WELCOME THEM IN, WE DO A BASIC ASSESSMENT.

IT'S ABOUT A TWO-HOUR INTAKE PROCESS LOOKING AT WHAT DO THEY HAVE?

WHAT ARE THEIR CHALLENGES?

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY FEEL SAFE, FOOD, SHOWERS.

WE HAVE CLOTHING.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY FEELS IT'S GOING TO BE OK FROM THAT POINT FORWARD.

THEN, OF COURSE, OUR OBJECTIVE IS TO STABILIZE THEM.

SO WE TAKE THAT FIRST NIGHT, THEY'LL GO TO A HOSTING CONGREGATION AND THEY'LL BE SITTING DOWN TO A MEAL WITH THAT CONGREGATION AND HERE IS THE IRONY, THE VOLUNTEER FAMILIES THE CONGREGATION WITH OUR FAMILIES IS REALLY THE MOST MAGICAL PART OF FAMILY PROMISE.

>> Ted: WOW, THAT MUST BE SOMETHING.

>> IT IS.

>> Ted: ONCE THINGS ARE SETTLED, PREPARE TO GET BACK SPOTINTO THE WORLD?

>> YES.

WE WANT BASIC SERVICES UNDER THEM AND SNAP FOR FOOD AND THEN CHILDCARE ASSISTANCE TO MAKE SURE IF THIS GOES FURTHER, THEY HAVE PROTECTION.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'RE ALL ABOUT GOING BACK TO WORK AND WE HAVE A 14-DAY WORK REQUIREMENT MEANING WE HELP THEM AGGRESSIVELY LOCATE NEW WORK AND WE MAKE SURE THEY ENVIRONMENT CLOTHING TO GO TO THAT WORK, THAT THEY'RE PROPERLY CHILD-CARE PROTECTED AROUND THAT WORK SO THEY CAN WORK WITHOUT CHILDCARE ISSUES.

SO THAT'S THE WAY WE WORK.

>> Ted: WE'RE KEEPING TRACK OF SNOWBALL'S ACTIONS AND HE'S SETTLED DOWN NOW.

FAMILIES THAT ENVIRONMENT IMPORTANCEHAVE THEIMPORTANCE OF KEEPING THAT PET.

>> IF YOU DON'T WELCOME THE PET, THE FAMILIES WON'T COME INTO SHELTER.

>> Ted: ISN'T THAT INTERESTING?

>> I HAD THE MISFORTUNE OF REMEMBERING THIS ONE PARTICULAR FAMILY.

WE INVITED THEM IN, WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS AND SHE SAID, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION, I HAVE A DOG OUTFRONT AND WE COULDN'T TAKE HIM IN.

WE DIDN'T HAVE THE CAPABILITY.

TID, THEYTED, THEY WALKED OUT OF SHELTER IN TEARS.

THAT WAS OVER 13 YEARS AGO.

I SAID, I CAN'T DO THIS ANYMORE AND WE WERE BLESSED TO HAVE A LOCAL CAT AND AN ORGANIZATION THAT HELPED US TO BUILD A PET PROGRAM.

>> Ted: HOW MANY FAMILIES COME IN WITH PETS?

IS IT A LOT, A HIGH PERCENTAGE OR LOW?

>> RELATIVELY LOW, 10% TO 15% OF FAMILIES WILL HAVE PETS.

>> Ted: FAMILIES AND SOMEONE WATCHING THIS THINKING OF A FAMILY AND THEY'RE NOT SURE WHERE THE NEXT MORTGAGE PAYMENT IS COMING FROM AND THEY'RE CONCERNED.

HOW DO THEY GET AHOLD OF YOU AND ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO MAY NOT HAVE CELL PHONES WHO CAN GO TO THE INTERNET SITE?

>> SO I SAY TO PEOPLE, THE NUMBER ONE ONE WAY IS 2-1-1. , THE1, THESOCIAL SERVICE'S HOTLINE.

THEY KNOW ABOUT US OR THE INTERNET, OF COURSE.

BUT WE GET MANY REFERRALS FROM THE SCHOOL SYSTEMS.

THE SCHOOLS ARE THE FRONTLINECH HOMELESSNESS.

>> Ted: YES, THEY ARE.

>> WE OFTEN GET REFERRED THAT WAY.

>> Ted: I'M SURE YOU HAD QUITE A FEW SUCCESS STORIES.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> Ted: THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

WHO IS THE HANDLER?

>> AMBRIA.

>> Ted: THANK YOU FOR KEEPING LITTLE SNOWBALL INTACT AND ON YOUR LAP.

THAT'S AN ACCOMPLISHMENT.

GOOD TO HAVE ALL THREE OF YOU HERE.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

>> YOU BET.

>> TONIGHT ON THE NEWS HOURS, VOLODYMYR ZELENSKYY TRIES TO PERSUADE U.S.

LAWMAKERS TO PROVIDE MORE AID FOR UKRAINE.

THAT'S COMING UP AT 6:00 ON ARIZONA PBS.

>> WHEN YOU WANT TO BE MORE CONNECTED, FRIEND US ON FACEBOOK, FOLLOW US ON TWITTER, WATCH US ONLINE.

>> Ted: IN 2014, CHILDREN'S FEEDBACK HOSPITAL HELD A BATTLE OF THE BAND'S FUNDRAISER FEATURING AN ALL LAWYER BAND FEATURING A GROUP OF MEDICAL DOCTORS AND THERE WAS NO ALL-DOCK BAND AT THE TIME AND A GROUP GOT TOGETHER CALLING THEM "THE CENTRAL LINE."

MOSTLY CLOUDY.

♪♪ ♪ EVERYBODY IS GOING OFF THE DEEP END ♪ ♪ EVERYBODY NEEDS A SECOND CHANCE ♪ ♪ YOU WANNA PIECE OF MY HEART ♪ ♪ YOU BETTER START FROM THE START ♪ ♪ YOU WANNA BE IN THE SHOW ♪ ♪ COME ON, BABY, LET'S GO ♪ >> Ted: AND FROM THAT DEBUT, THE CENTRAL LINE HAS GONE TO PERFORM NUMEROUS TIMES AT A VARIETY OF VENUES AND WE HAVE GUITARIST STEVE OZER WHO IS AN ANESTHESIOLOGIST.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

>> I THINK WE WERE BOTH MUSICIANS BEFORE PHYSICIANS, THOUGH.

>> Ted: I WAS GOING TO ASK.

HOW DID THIS GET STARTED?

HOW DID YOU GET STARTED IN MUSIC AND GET TART WITH THIS IN.

>> I STARTED PLAYING BASE GUITAR IF EIGHTH GRADE AND QUIT DURING MY MEDICAL TRAINING.

WHEN I GOT BACK HERE, I WAS RECRUITED TO PLAY IN AN ALL-DOCTOR BAND WHICH LEAD TO ANOTHER DOCTOR BAND WHICH QUIT.

I KNEW STEVE PLAYED GUITAR AND I NEW OUR DRUMMER AND KATHY, OUR D ISSUING VA SINGER.

AND THEN WE HAVE ADDED A COUPLE MORE PIECES.

WE HAD TO GET READY FOR THIS CHARITY THINKING IT WAS ONE AND DONE AND THEN IT WASN'T SO WELL THAT WE JUST KIND OF KEPT IT ROLLING AND WHAT ARE WE NOW?

>> ALMOST TEN YEARS.

THAT'S IN OCTOBER.

>> Ted: YOU WERE A GUITAR PLAYER BEFORE THIS?

>> WHEN I WAS NINE YEARS OLD AND LIKE GREG, I PLAYED IN COLLEGE AND MED SCHOOL AND TOOK A LONG BREAK DURING TRAINING AT THE BEGINNING OF MY CAREER AND WHEN THE OPPORTUNITY CAME TO PLAY AGAIN, I TOOK IT.

>> Ted: EVEN THE FIRST PRACTICE HIT, DID YOU SAY, WAIT A MINUTE, WE HAVE SOMETHING GOING HERE?

[ Laughter ] >> NO, NO.

AFTER THAT FIRST PRACTICE, I THOUGHT THERE'S NO WAY THIS WILL WORK.

BUT IT GOT BETTER AND WE GOT TO KNOW EACH OTHER AND GOT IT GOING AND NOW IT'S A BLAST!

IT'S A BIG, FUN OUTLET FOR THE STAFF AT THE HOSPITAL, FOR EVERYBODY THAT WE WORK WITH AND SCRUBS EVERY DAY AND CAN COME OUT AND HAVE FUN.

>> Ted: HOW OFTEN DO YOU PLAY?

>> ABOUT FOUR TIMES A YEAR.

>> Ted: YOU GO TO CLUBS?

DO YOU PLAY AT EVENTS?

A LITTLE BIT OF EVERYTHING.

WE USUALLY PLAY AT CLUBS IN SCOTTSDALE AND AT ARIZONA CARDINAL'S DAY AND SOMETIMES FUNDRAISERS FOR THE HOSPITAL.

>> Ted: COVER SONGS, FOR THE MOST PART ONE, I WOULD IMAGINE?

>> ANY ORIGINAL THOUGHTS?

>> RIGHT NOW, SINCE COVID, I'VE NOT AND THIS IS PRETTY MUCH BEEN MY ONLY PROJECT.

>> BASICALLY THE IDEA IS COVER SONGS BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE FAMILIAR WITH THEM.

>> Ted: IT'S NICE TO WRITE YOUR OWN SONGS, DON'T YOU THINK?

>> YES, BUT EVERYBODY HAS A LOT OF FUN SEEING THE COVERS AND SEEING SONGS THEY KNOW ALL OF THE THE WORDS WORDS TO.

>> Ted: PEOPLE YOU WORK WITH AND YOUR PATIENTS, WHAT DO THEY THINK?

>> THEY LIKE IT A LOT.

THEY REALLY LIKE IT.

ALL OF THE TIME IN THE HOSPITAL PEOPLE ARE ASKING WHEN IS YOUR NEXT SHOW AND GIG AND WE'RE PLANNING ON COMING TO IT.

PEOPLE BRING THEIR FRIENDS AND SHOW UP FOR IT.

IT'S TURNED INTO A NICE EVENT FOR EVERYBODY TO GET OUT AND SEE EACH OTHER.

>> Ted: HAVE YOU EVER HAD, WHETHER IT'S A FELLOW DOCTOR OR A PATIENT, A PAST PATIENT FROM YEARS AGO, MANY YEARS AGO, HAVE YOU EVER HAD ANYONE STOP BY AFTER A SHOW OR DURING A SHOW AND SAY, REMEMBER ME?

>> OH, YEAH.

I'VE HAD PATIENTS COME ON STAGE AND SING AND THEN I'VE GOT -- I'LL BALK IN TO WALK INTO SEE A KID BEFORE SURGERY AND THEY'RE IN A BAND.

THEY END UP JOINING AND FRIENDS ON FACEBOOK.

THE PLACES WE PLAY USUALLY ARE 21 AND UP AND FESTIVALS, THE KIDS COME OUT AND I REALLY EMBRACE THAT.

>> Ted: THAT MUST BE GREAT AND VERY REWARDING.

>> IT'S FUN.

>> Ted: PRACTICING AND PLAYING FOUR TIMES A YEAR, I'M GUESSING YOU'RE ON CALL AND HOW DO YOU WORK THAT SCHEDULE?

>> THAT WAS A PROBLEM WITH THE ALL PHYSICIAN BAND.

THERE'S A LOT OF EMAIL CHAINS TO GET THAT TO WORK BUT SOMEHOW IT ALL DOES.

>> Ted: HAVE YOU EVER HAD A GIG YOU COULDN'T PLAY BECAUSE YOU WERE BUSY?

>> NO, BUT THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH THE DOCTOR BAND AND BE PLAY FOUR TIMES A YEAR BECAUSE WE CAN'T ALL AGREE ON A DATE.

>> Ted: YOUR MENTAL HEALTH HOW DOES THIS HELP YOU DEAL WITH WHAT YOU DO ON A DAILY BASIS?

>> IT'S HUGE.

I LISTEN TO MUSIC IN THE OPERATING ROOM AND ALWAYS HAVE AND THEN I THINK WORKING WITH A GROUP OF PROFESSIONALS LIKE STEVE AND PLAYING OUT IS FUN.

PLUS, ALL OF THE COLLEAGUES IN THE HOSPITAL CAN COME OUT AND SEE US PLAY AND I GOOD.

IT'S DEFINITELY A PLUS FOR MY MENTAL HEALTH.

>> Ted: SAME WITH YOU.

>> I PLAYED MUSIC MY ENTIRE LIFE AND IT'S A BIG PART OF MY LIFE.

TO GET A CHANCE TO PLAY ON STAGE, IT'S FUN AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO IT A LOT.

>> Ted: NOW THAT YOU'RE GETTING OLDER -- THE ROLLING STONES ARE OUT THERE.

SO A LITTLE PIECE OF MY HEART AND MAYBE SOMETHING MORE MELLOW OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

>> WE'RE STILL A CLASSIC ROCK COVER BAND AND SO NOTHING TO IT.

NOT TOO MELLOW YET.

I'LL LEAVE THE DOOR OPEN FOR ANYTHING.

>> Ted: NO ACOUSTIC BASE YET?

>> I PLAY ACOUSTIC.

I WON'T JOIN A FOUR-STRING QUARTET OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

[ Laughter ] >> Ted: IF YOU HAD TO DO IT ALL OVER AGAIN, WOULD YOU DO MUSIC OR MEDICINE?

>> I WOULD NOT QUIT MY DAY JOB AND I WOULD DO MUSIC ON THE SIDE.

>> Ted: COULD YOU IMAGINE YOURSELF AS A FULL-TIME PROFESSIONAL MUSICIAN OR IS THAT STILL OFF IN THE DISTANCE?

>> IT'S FAR OFF FOR ME.

MAYBE GREG WILL DIFFERENTLY.

>> THE MUSIC BUSINESS IS A LITTLE TOO SHADY.

I DON'T HAVE ANY REGRETS AND IT'S FUN HAVING A BALANCE OF BOTH AND GIVING BACK TO, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE YOU WORK WITH IN YOUR DAY JOB WITH YOUR QUOTE, UNQUOTE, NIGHT JOB.

>> Ted: DR. WHITE, DR. OZER, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US AND BEST OF LUCK ON YOUR NEXT GIGS.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Ted: THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

YOU HAVE A GREAT EVENING!