>> Ted: COMING UP NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON, DETAILS ON PRESIDENT BIDEN'S DESIGNATION OF A NEW NATIONAL MONUMENT NEAR THE GRAND CANYON.

ALSO TONIGHT, WE'LL HEAR ABOUT THE STATE OF BLACK-OWNED BUSINESSES IN ARIZONA.

WE'LL SPEAK TO A LOCAL AUTHOR WHO SAYS THAT INSTEAD OF FINDING YOUR PATH IN LIFE, LET YOUR PATH FIND YOU.

THOSE STORIES AND MORE NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON.

>> Announcer: THIS HOUR OF LOCAL NEWS BY CONTRIBUTIONS FROM THE FRIENDS OF PBS, MEMBERS OF YOUR PBS STATION.

THANK YOU.

>> Ted: GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO ARIZONA HORIZON.

I'M TED SIMONS.

36 PEOPLE ARE NOW REPORTED DEAD DUE TO WILDFIRES ON THE HAWAII ISLAND OF MAUI AND THE NUMBER OF FATALITIES IS LIKELY TO INCREASE.

PRESIDENT BIDEN TODAY DECLARED THIS ISLAND A MAJOR DISASTER AREA.

>> WE'RE WORKING AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE TO FIGHT THESE FIRES AND EVACUATE RESIDENTS AND TOURISTS.

IN THE MEANTIME, OUR PRAYERS WITH THE PEOPLE OF HAWAII AND NOT JUST OUR PRAYER, EVERY ASSET WE HAVE WILL BE AVAILABLE TO THEM AND WE'VE SEEN THEIR HOMES, THEIR BUSINESSES DESTROYED AND SOME HAVE LOST LOVED ONES.

>> Ted: THE FIRES ARE MOSTLY CONTROLLED NOW, BUT THE DAMAGE TO MUCH OF MAUI IS DESTROYED.

THE TOWN OF LAHAINA DESTROYED AND 1500 TOURISTS ARE EXPECTED TO LEAVE MAUI TODAY AND OFFICIALS ARE STRONGLY STRONGLY DISCOURAGING ANY NEW ARRIVALS TO THE ISLAND.

>>> GOVERNOR KARI HOBBS TO TALK ABOUT HER LAUNCH AND AN AMENDMENT TO THE STATE CONSTITUTION TO ENSURE ABORTION RIGHTS.

>> WE'RE UNDER CERTAIN LEGAL STATUS WITH ABORTION AND WE'RE JUST ONE BAD COURT DECISION AWAY FROM A TOTAL BAN THAT CARRIES PRISON TIME FOR DOCTORS.

THE MAJORITY, THE VAST MAJORITY OF ARIZONANS SUPPORT THE ABILITY TO MAKE PERSONAL HEALTHCARE DECISIONS FREE FROM GOVERNMENT.

>> Ted: THE GOVERNOR WAS ASKED ABOUT FAILED GUBERNATORIAL KARI LAKE EXPLORING A RUN FOR U.S. SENATE.

>> IT WOULD MEAN THAT SHE WOULD HAVE TO ADMIT THAT SHE'S NOT ACTUALLY THE GOVERNOR, IF SHE CHOSE TO LAUNCH A SENATE BID.

I THINK ARIZONANS ARE TIRED OF HER DENIALISM AND CONSPIRACY THEORIES AND SOMETHING THEY'LL HAVE THEIR SAY IN NEXT NOVEMBER.

>> Ted: INDEED, AXIOS IS SAYING LAKE WILL PREPARE THE GROUNDWORK FOR A SENATE RUN.

>> FIRST TIME JOBS ARE UP THIS WEEK AND AN INCREASE OF 21,000 PEOPLE SEEKING BENEFITS AND THAT'S ABOUT A THIRD LOWER THAN AVERAGE AND ANALYSTS SAY TODAY'S REPORT SHOWS EMPLOYERS REMAIN RELUCTANT TO LAY OFF WORKERS.

>>> AND HEALTH NOTE, INCREASING CONCERNS OF WHAT PHARMACISTS SAY IS A SHORTAGE OF MEDICATION.

A SURVEY OF PHARMACISTS FINDS NEARLY ONE THIRD HAVE HAD TO RATION, DELAY OR CANCEL DRUG TREATMENTS DUE TO A LACK OF MEDICATION AND THE IMPACTS ARE, QUOTE, CRITICAL, AND SUGGEST DIVERSIFYING AND PENALTIES FOR DRUGMAKERS WHO DON'T HAVE STRATEGIES IN PLACE.

>>> PRESIDENT BIDEN THIS WEEK DESIGNATED A NEW NATIONAL MONUMENT AND LANDS SACRED TO INDIAN TRIBES AND WE WELCOME SANDY BAHR AND YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS DESIGNATION?

>> EXCITING, MUCH-NEEDED AND WE COULDN'T BE HAPPENNIER.

HAPPENNIER.

HAPPIER.

THIS IS A TRIBAL-LEAD EFFORT AND AN AMAZING MOMENT OVER ARIZONA.

>> Ted: 900,000 ACRES SURROUNDING THE GRAND CANYON AND ENTIRELY AROUND THE GRAND CANYON, EAST, WEST, NORTH SOUTH?

>> CERTAIN PARTS AND THE NATIONAL FOREST LAND AND THE TUCSONIAN RANGER DISTRICT AND THE CULTURAL PROPERTIES AND THAT LARGE BUTE WHEN YOU DRIVE INTO THE SOUTH ROOM.

SIDE.

THE LAND MANAGEMENT LANDS AND THEN A TINY BIT OF FOREST LANDS UP THERE, AS WELL.

>> Ted: THE PRESIDENT USED THE ANTIQUITIES ACT.

WHAT'S THAT ALL ABOUT?

>> IT'S BEEN LONG BEEN USED BY PRESIDENTS OF BOTH PARTIES TO PROTECT IMPORTANT LANDS.

THE GRAND CANYON NATIONAL PARK ITSELF WAS INITIALLY PROTECTED AS A NATIONAL MONUMENT BEFORE CONGRESS ACTED TO MAKE IT A NATIONAL PARK.

WE HAVE OTHER NATIONAL MONUMENTS IN ARIZONA LIKE SONORAN DESERT WEST OF PHOENIX WHERE THE PRESIDENT USED THE ACT AND, YEAH, IT HELPS TO IDENTIFY KEY VALUES IN THE AREA AND THEN THAT AREA HAS TO BE MANAGED TO PROTECT THOSE VALUES.

>> Ted: I KNOW THAT THE TRIBAL COALITION HAS BEEN PUSHING FOR THIS FOR YEARS, A LOT OF YEARS.

WHY DID IT HAPPEN NOW?

>> WELL, I THINK, YEAH, THE TIMING WAS RIGHT.

YOU'RE RIGHT, THE HOPPE AND OTHERS HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR YEARS.

IN APRIL, THEY MADE A SPECIFIC REQUEST AGAIN TO ESTABLISH THE ANDANCESTRAL FOOTPRINTS AND I WAS MOVED BY THE PRESIDENT AND MIAH TELOSI AND THE PRESIDENT'S WORDS.

THE PRESIDENT ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THERE ISN'T A GREAT HISTORY IN SOME WAYS WITH PROTECTED AREAS.

NATIVE PEOPLES WERE EVICTED, INCLUDING GRAND CANYON AND HE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THIS BEING PART OF WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE HISTORY AND DO RIGHT GOING FORWARD.

SO THE TRIBES HAVE A HUGE ROLE IN THIS.

THEY WILL COMANAGE THIS NATIONAL MONUMENT.

>> Ted: CO-MESSAGE AND THAT MEANS STEWARDS OF THE WATER, STEWARD EVERS OF THE WILDLIFE AND WHAT DOES THIS DO TO THE ELEMENTS OF THE GRAND CANYON?

>> WATER IS A KEY ISSUE AND LIFE-GIVING SPRINGS THAT WILL BE PROTECTED BY THIS ANNOUNCEMENT.

IT IS IMPORTANT AS A PART OF THE WATERSHED FOR GRAND CANYON, THE COLORADO RIVER.

THERE ARE KEY WILDLIFE CORRIDORS AND ENDANGERED AND RARE SPECIES.

CALIFORNIA CONDORES CALL THIS AREA HOME.

IT WILL PROTECT THE REGION FROM MINING, ESPECIALLY URANIUM MINING THAT IS TOXIC AND CAN CONTAMINATE THE WATERS AND DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD ALSO IMPAIR THE VALUES.

>> Ted: SO WILL MANAGEMENT OF THE LAND, DOES IT CHANGE IN ANY APPRECIABLE WAY WITH THIS DESIGNATION?

>> IT DOES, IT DOES.

THERE WILL BE A MANAGEMENT PLAN AND SO BOTH THE FOREST SERVICE AND BUREAU OF LAND MANAGEMENT WILL BE INVOLVED, BUT THE GRAND CANYON TRIBES, THE GRAND CANYON TRIBAL COALITION OR COMMISSION IS ESTABLISHED AND THE PROCLAMATION WILL BE INVOLVED IN A MANAGEMENT PLAN.

THE MANAGEMENT PLAN NEEDS TO LOOK AT WHAT'S IN THE PROCLAMATION AND BE SURE TO PROTECT THE VALUES, THE WATERS, THE WILDLIFE, THE CULTURAL ASPECTS.

I KNOW THE CULTURAL PROPERTY, WHILE IT HAS THAT DESIGNATION, IT DOESN'T ENVIRONMENT KINDS OF PROTECTIONS IT NEEDS AND THAT WILL PROVIDE THAT.

>> Ted: SENATE REPUBLICANS, LAUNCHES IN THE STATE, NOT HAPPY AND ADVERSELY IMPACTS THE ECONOMY AND NATIONAL SECURITY AND DEVASTATES WHAT THEY DESCRIBE AS CRITICAL INDUSTRIES OF MINING AND CATTLE RANCHING AND HOW DO YOU RESPOND TO THAT?

>> THAT'S NONSENSE.

FIRST OF ALL, THIS IS GOOD FOR THE ECONOMY.

A KEY PART OF THE NORTHERN ARIZONA ECONOMY IS TOURISM AND GRAND CANYON AND IF YOU'RE NOT PROTECTING THAT, THEN YOU'RE NOT PROTECTING JOBS AND THE ECONOMY.

AS FAR AS MINING GOES, YES, IT IS GOING TO LIMIT MINING IN THE REGION.

BUT URANIUM MINES WILL BE THERE, MAYBE, A COUPLE OF YEARS.

TOURISM IS AN ONGOING INDUSTRY THAT WILL HELP PROVIDE FUNDS FOR NORTHERN ARIZONA AND BEYOND.

AS FAR AS THE LIVESTOCK INDUSTRY, ANY GRAZING CAN CONTINUE.

THERE'S NOTHING IN THE PROCLAMATION THAT ELIMINATES LIVESTOCK GRAZING IN THE REGION.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF MISINFORMATION THAT THE G.O.P CAUCUS HAS BEEN PUTTING OUT.

I THINK THEY NEED TO READ THE PRODUCT CLA MAKESPROCLAMATION AND I HOPE THEY LISTEN TO THE TRIBES LEADING THE WAY.

THEY ARE THE ORIGINAL STEWARDS OF THE LAND AND THEY ARE NOW TAKING A GREATER ROLE IN STEWARDING THAT LAND AGAIN GOING FORWARD.

>> Ted: I KNOW THE REPUBLICANS, WHEN THEY HAD THIS ADVISORY COMMITTEE, THEY SAID THERE WERE NO BETTER STEWARDS OF THE LAND UP THERE OR REALLY ANYWHERE THAN FARMERS AND RANCHERS.

DO THEY HAVE A POINT?

>> THEY DO NOT HAVE A POINT BECAUSE I WOULD SAY THE BEST STEWARDS OF THE LAND ARE THE HOPPE AND THE KYBAB BAND AND THOSE ARE THE STEWARDS OF THESE LANDS AND NO BETTER STEWARDS THAN AND THE ORIGINAL STEWARDS.

THEY KNOW THE LAND BETTER THAN ANYONE.

>> Ted: THE LAST QUESTION HERE AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE OTHER SIDE IS HEARD AND SAYING BECAUSE OF THE BAN ON URANIUM MINING IN THAT AREA, THAT COULD BE A CONCERN FOR NATIONAL SECURITY AND DO THEY HAVE A POINT?

>> NO, NO.

I MEAN, A MAJORITY OF THE YOUR URANIUM DOES NOT COME FROM THESE LAND AND THERE ARE MORE IMPORTANT THINGS AND RISKING THE WATERS.

I MEAN, SECURITY FOR ARIZONA IS PROTECTING OUR WATERS.

WE CAN'T AFFORD TO HAVE IT CONTAMINATED AND IF IT'S CONTAMINATED BY URANIUM, THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO CLEAN IT UP.

THERE'S A LOT ON THE NAVAJO NATION THAT HASN'T BEEN ADDRESSED.

SO YEAH, I THINK THAT THERE ARE MORE IMPORTANT THINGS THAN HAVING URANIUM MINING AND IT DOES NOT RISK NATIONAL SECURITY.

>> Ted: SANDY BAHR, IT WAS A BIG DAY FOR YOU.

THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, VERY EXCITING.

>> Ted: UP NEXT, THE STATE OF BLACK-OWNED BUSINESSES IN ARIZONA.

>> AUGUST IS BLACK BUSINESS MONTH AND IN EFFORT TO SUPPORT BLACK BUSINESSES ACROSS THE STATE.

JOINING US NOW IS TENIQUA BROUGHTON, THE EXECUTIVE STATE AND DANA DUMAS, OWNER OF "SUGARJAM."

>> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

TENIQUA, WHAT IS THE STATE OF BLACK-OWNED BUSINESSES IN ARIZONA?

>> THANK YOU, TED.

HERE IS WHAT I CAN SHARE IN SUMMARY.

THERE ARE 1300 BLACK BUSINESSES ACCORDING TO THE LATEST CENSUS FROM 2020.

SO WE'RE ABOUT THREE YEARS BEHIND THERE.

OF THOSE BUSINESSES, THEY ARE EMPLOYER FIRMS AND 25,000 PEOPLE THAT THEY EMPLOY AND OF THEM, THERE IS ABOUT $731 MILLION THAT COMES OUT IN PAYROLL.

SO THAT DOES NOT NECESSARILY ACCOUNT FOR WHAT HAPPENS IN OTHER SPACES AS IT RELATES TO THEIR ECONOMIC IMPACT.

BUT IT REALLY IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND 1300 HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED.

AND WE'RE REALLY LOOKING TO FIGURE OUT THROUGH OTHER COURSES COLLECTING DATA HOW ON A LOCALIZED LEVEL WE CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT IS HAPPENING BEYOND JUST THOSE PARTICULAR NUMBERS.

>> Ted: DANA, LET'S TALK ABOUT SUGARJAM SOUTHERN KITCHEN.

HOW DID YOU GET THIS STARTED AND WHAT WERE THE CHALLENGES EARLY ON AND WHAT ARE THE CHALLENGES NOW WITH A SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS?

YOU STILL HAVE CHALLENGES.

>> YEAH, WE HAVE CHALLENGES ALL OF THE TIME.

BUT SUGARJAM, YOU KNOW, I CREATED THIS COMPANY COMING OUT OF CORPORATE AFTER I HAD MY TWIN BOYS AND I WANTED TO CREATE SOMETHING OF FAIRNESS AND TO GIVE PEOPLE WHO LOOK LIKE ME AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK FOR A BUSINESS THAT IS FLOURISHING AND UPRIGHT AND JUST TREAT IT WITH RESPECT FOR THE CRAFT THAT YOU DO.

SO I STARTED WITH MY SUGARJAM COOKIES AND I LOVE THESE COOKIES BECAUSE THEY REMIND ME WHEN I WAS A LITTLE GIRL IN NEW YORK.

THEY'RE TENDER SUGAR COOKS WITH JAM.

COMING FROM A HOME-BASED BAKER INTO THE LOCAL FARMER'S MARKETS HERE ALLOWS ME TO MARKET WITH SO MANY PEOPLE.

AND THEN IT SPED ON AND I BECAME THE SUGARJAM BAKE SHOP AND BISTRO IN 2014.

THROUGH THE PANDEMIC, I WAS ABLE TO PIVOT AND GROW MY BUSINESS TO WHAT IS KNOWN AS SUGARJAM, THE SOUTHERN KITCHEN.

>> Ted: WAS IT DIFFICULT FOR YOU TO TAKE THESE PLUNGES?

THESE ARE RISKS AND WAS IT DIFFICULT?

>> IT WAS.

I WOULD SAY IF IT WASN'T FOR THE SUPPORT OF MY FAMILY, MY HUSBAND, MY MOM AND MY DAD, MY IN-LAWS AND SOME FAMILY AND FRIENDS THAT HELPED WITH THE COMMUNITY.

THE COMMUNITY IS LIKE MY CHILDREN AND THE FOUNDATION, TO HELP ME GROW AND FLOURISH.

I'VE ALWAYS HAD AN ENTREPRENEURIAL SPIRIT BUT I'M VERY CORPORATE MINDED AND I THINK THE PAIRING OF THE TWO MADE ME PIVOT THROUGH MY BUSINESSES AND BE ABLE TO NAVIGATE WHEN THERE'S LACK OF RESOURCES.

>> Ted: RIGHT.

>> BE ABLE TO NAVIGATE, HOW DO I MAKE THE AND HONESTLY, IT JUST BECAME A THING WHERE I WAS RELYING ON NOT ONLY MYSELF, MY HUSBAND, PAINSTAKING HOURS AND FINANCIAL RESOURCES FROM WITHIN.

>> Ted: THE INITIAL FUNDING AND CHALLENGES FOR BLACK-OWNED BUSINESSES.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

I THINK WHAT DANA IS TALKING ABOUT, EVEN HAVING A CAREER IN CORPORATE, YOU START A BUSINESS AND A LOT OF BLACK BUSINESS OWNERS ARE USING THEIR OWN PERSONAL CAPITAL.

THEY MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE GETTING LONG-TERM TRADITIONAL BANKS AND SO, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT VENTURE CAPITAL, IT REALLY IS ABOUT THE TYPE OF BUSINESS THAT YOU HAVE.

NOT EVERYONE CAN ACTUALLY ACCESS EVERYONE PART OF THAT INVESTMENT.

SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TECH COMPANIES AND MANUFACTURING AND CONSTRUCTION AND THE IT DEPENDS ON THE TYPE OF BUSINESS.

BUT WHAT WE HAVE FOUND IS THAT THE ACCESS TO CAPITAL FOR BLACK BUSINESSES HAS BEEN CHALLENGING BY EITHER KNOWING AND HAVING THE EDUCATION FOR GETTING ACCESS TO THE RESOURCES AND/OR HAVING THE PREPARED PAPERWORK TO DO THAT.

BUT IT'S NOT JUST TRADITIONAL BANKS THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK TOWARDS ACTUALLY SAYING, DO I GET IT FROM, BUT THERE ARE CDFI'S AND ACCELERATE PROGRAMS THAT DO IMPACT LENDING.

AND THERE ARE OTHER RESOURCES WHEN IT COMES TO CONTRACT LENDING FROM LENDING CENTERS THAT ARE IMPORTANT.

SO I THINK SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE ACCESSIBLE IN ARIZONA AND SOME ARE STILL GROWING IN OUR OWN COMMUNITY.

>> Ted: WITH THAT IN MIND, WHAT IS YOUR ADVICE FOR YOUNG BLACK ENTREPRENEURS?

>> I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, REALLY KNOW WHAT YOUR BUSINESS PLAN WILL BE WITH YOUR BUSINESS.

LIKE UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR PRODUCT OR WHATEVER IT IS YOU'LL BE IN BUSINESS IN.

DO YOUR RESEARCH AND HAVE A STRONG BUSINESS PLAN, KNOW THE DEMOGRAPHIC YOU'RE PEN PENETRATING.

IF YOU'RE WORKING CORPORATE, CLEAR UP YOUR DEBT AND THEN MAKE MAKE SURE YOU ARE STARTING TO SAVE.

WHAT DOES IT COST FOR YOU TO LIVE A YEAR ON YOUR OWN RIGHT NOW?

AND MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THAT AMOUNT SAVED TO MAYBE USE TOWARD.

ALSO, LOOK FOR LOCAL RESOURCES THAT MAYBE HAVE, LIKE, WE HAVE "HUSTLE PHOENIX."

THAT'S AN INCUBATOR PROGRAM THAT WILL SYNC YOU IN WITH A LOCAL-LEVEL LENDING THAT IS NOW AVAILABLE FOR PEOPLE OF MINORITIES THAT ARE TRYING TO START THEIR BUSINESSES.

AND IT MIGHT BE MICROLENDING AND IT MIGHT BE $5,000 OR A MAX OF 10,000.

PEOPLE ON A GRANDER SCALE DON'T THINK THAT'S ENOUGH MONEY TO DO SOMETHING WITH.

WHEN YOU ARE STARTING OUT, 5 TO $10,000 IS AN AWFUL LOT OF MONEY TO GET OFF THE GROUND AND GET YOUR BUSINESS GOING.

>> Ted: A LOT OF INFORMATION.

[ Laughter ] >> SORRY.

>> Ted: A LOT OF PLACES AND A LOT OF NUMBERS A AND A LOT OF NAMES.

GOOD TO HAVE YOU BOTH ON AND CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR SUCCESS AND THANK YOU FOR SHARING.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> THANK YOU.

YOU >> Ted: AN ARIZONA AUTHOR HASWRITTEN A NEW BOOK ENCOURAGING READERS TO EMBARK ON A JOURNEY OF SELF-DISCOVERY AND PURPOSE.

IT'S CALLED "LET YOUR PATH FIND YOU" EMBRACE YOUR OWN WINDING ROAD TO A NEW FULFILLING LIFE.

BOB, THANKS FOR JOINING US.

>> I THOUGHT I WOULD BE LESS CONSERVATIVE THAN YOUR OTHER GUESTS.

>> Ted: THE SHIRT FOUND YOU.

EXPLAIN THE TITLE.

>> WHAT THAT MEANS, I'VE HAD A NUMBER OF JOBS OVER THE YEARS THAT MANY PEOPLE IN MY CIRCLE THOUGHT, BOB, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S A GOOD MOVE FOR YOU.

EVERYONE OF THOSE MOVES WERE GREAT MOVES.

AND IT JUST SHOWED ME THAT IT'S OK TO TAKE RISKS AND TRY NEW THINGS AND OK TO FAIL SOMETIMES.

>> Ted: EVERY PERSON, YOU WRITE, HAS A UNIQUE PATH.

WHEN THE PATH FINDS YOU, HOW DO YOU KNOW IT'S THERE IN.

>> I THINK?

>> I THINK IT'S A GUT FEELING.

I WAS RECRUITED TO GO FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF ARIZONA TO SCIENCE AND MY DEGREE IS IN HISTORY.

A LITTLE BIT OF A CHANGE BUT IT WAS A GREAT CHANGE AND LEAD TO 20 YEARS IN THE COLLEGE OF SCIENCE.

>> Ted: YOU HAVE TO LIVE THE BEST VERSION OF YOURSELF AND HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE BEST VERSION OF YOURSELF IS?

>> YOU HAVE TO LOOK INSIDE.

YOU HAVE TO LOOK INSIDE AND NOT BE AFRAID TO MAKE A CHANGE.

>> Ted: YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME BALANCE THERE AND GROUNDING, DON'T YOU?

>> YOU SURE DO.

I WAS FORTUNATE I ALWAYS HAD GREAT BOSSES AND NEVER HAD A MISTAKE ON THAT SIDE.

I HAD CHALLENGING SITUATIONS, BUT BEING IN GREAT ORGANIZATIONS MADE MY LIFE SIMPLE.

>> Ted: WHAT IF I HAVE A GUT FEELING THAT'S MY PATH, BUT THAT'S THE WRONG PATH?

WHAT NEXT?

I THINK THAT'S OK. >> I THINK THAT'S OK. OUR SYSTEM TRAINS OUR STUDENTS NOT TO MAKE MISTAKES BUT HOW YOU DEAL WITH THAT MISTAKE IS THE ANSWER.

>> Ted: HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH IT?

>> OWN IT AND MOVE ON BECAUSE IT'S IN THE PAST.

AS A COACH WHEN YOU SCREW UP A PLAY, THE PLAY IS OVER AND GO TO THE NEXT PLAY.

>> Ted: YOU WRITE GIVE BACK WHEN YOU LOSE EVERYTHING.

EXPLAIN THAT.

>> I THINK IT MEANS YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND GIVING BACK TO YOUR COMMUNITY, GIVING BACK TO YOUR JOB, GIVING BACK TO YOUR PROFESSION, IN WHATEVER WAY YOU HAVE TO DO IT IS WORTHWHILE.

>> Ted: TALK ABOUT YOUR STRUGGLES AS A YOUNG MAN AND TO WHERE YOU ARE NOW WITH THAT SHIRT ON.

[ Laughter ] >> ONE OF THE THINGS I TALK ABOUT AT THE VERY BEGINNING, MY DAD WAS AN AIR FORCE VETERAN, 22 YEARS, KOREA AND VEHICULAR VIETNAM AND I GOT AN APPOINTMENT TO PLAY FOOTBALL AT THE AIR FORCE ACADEMY.

HE TALKED TO EVERYBODY HOW PROUD HE WAS I WAS GOING TO THE AIR FORCE ACADEMY AND I QUIT THE FIRST SIX MONTHS.

HE DIDN'T TALK TO ME FOR SIX MONTHS WHEN I CAME HOME.

I HAD TO GET MY OWN JOB TO PAY FOR MY COLLEGE AT NAU, DOOR-TO-DOOR, DISHWASHER.

>> Ted: WHEN YOU WERE DOING ALL OF THESE THINGS, WERE YOU THINKING, THERE'S SOMETHING AHEAD?

I HAVE TO GET THERE.

OR JUST PUT ONE FOOT IN FRONT OF THE OTHER?

>> PUT ONE FOOT IN FRONT OF THE OTHER.

I KNEW IT WOULD BE ON MY BACK AND SHOULDERS.

I LOVE MY PARENTS, DON'T GET ME WRONG.

BUT AT THAT TIME, THEY WOULDN'T PROVIDE ME SUPPORT SO I HAD TO DO IT MYSELF.

PULL YOURSELF UP BY YOUR BOOT STRAPS AND GO FORWARD.

>> Ted: YOU MADE QUITE A SUCCESSFUL LIFE HERE.

>> NOT TOO BAD.

>> Ted: HOW DO YOU KNOW THE PATH TOLD YOU TO WRITE THIS BOOK?

>> I'VE BEEN WRITING THIS BOOK FOR SIX YEARS AND IT HAS BEEN AN INCREDIBLY LONG, ARDUOUS JOURNEY.

I FELT THE MESSAGES AND STORIES THAT ARE TAKE AWAY FOR ME AND NOT FOR ME BUT OTHER PEOPLE TO GET A TAKE AWAY.

THERE'S FAIR OF POPULAR, FAILURE AND ADVERSITY AND IT BECAME A MISSION TO HELP OTHER PEOPLE.

I RAISED MONEY MY ENTIRE CAREER TO HELP OTHER PEOPLE.

>> Ted: WHEN DID YOU FIGURE THIS OUT, I GOT IT, I CAN SHARE IT?

>> YOU KNOW, BRENAE BROWN TALKS ABOUT NOT BEING ENOUGH AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF I WAS GOOD ENOUGH TO BE AN AUTHOR AND WRITE A BOOK.

AS I SHARED IT WITH PEOPLE CLOSE TO ME, I WAS AFRAID IT WASN'T ANY GOOD, YOU KNOW.

I GO FEEDBACK FROM FOLKS THAT SAID, BOB, THIS IS PRETTY GOOD.

THIS REALLY IS AND YOU NEED TO FINISH THIS.

>> Ted: THE IDEA OF FINDING YOUR PATH, EVEN IF FAMILY, FRIENDS AND PEOPLE ARE SAYING, NO, NO, NO, AND YOU SAY, YES, YES, YES, AND AT WHAT POINT DOES EMBRACING YOUR PATH AND EMBRACING YOUR GUT, WHEN DOES THAT BECOME SELF-ISH?

>> FOR ME IT WAS NEVER SELF-ISH BECAUSE IT WAS ALWAYS A RISK AND PUTTING MYSELF OUTSIDE OFMY COMFORT ZONE TO DO SOMETHING THAT EVERYTHING THINKS IS NOT A GREAT IDEA.

I EMBRACED MY PATH BECAUSE THIS IS THE SITUATION I'M IN AND I'LL MAKE THIS WORK.

COME HELL OR HIGH WATER, I'LL MAKE THIS WORK.

>> Ted: IMPACT ON RELATIONSHIPS?

>> NO.

MY WIFE HAS BEEN WITH ME FOR 40 YEARS AND MY KIDS ARE MERE IN HERE AND ONE CRONKITE GRAD.

NO, I HAVE GREAT KIDS AND GREAT FAMILY BACKGROUND.

>> Ted: CONGRATULATIONS ON THE BOOK ASKING "LET YOUR PATH FIND YOU."

>> THANK YOU.

IT'S BEEN AN HONOR.

>> Ted: THANK YOU FOR JOINING US AND YOU HAVE A GREAT EVENING!