>>> BIG WINS FOR JD VANCE AND NAN WHALEY.

AND OHIO PREPARES FOR A POST-ROE FUTURE.

>>> BIG WINS FOR JD VANCE AND NAN WHALEY.

>>> AND OHIO PREPARES FOR A POST-ROE FUTURE.

♪♪ >> Announcer: JOINING US ON "COLUMBUS ON THE RECORD" -- ANNA STAVER, STATEHOUSE REPORTER FOR THE U.S.A. TODAY OHIO NETWORK.

DERRICK CLAY, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST.

AND BOB CLEGG, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST.

>>> AFTER AT LEAST $66 MILLION AND A LAST-MINUTE ENDORSEMENT FROM DONALD TRUMP, OHIO REPUBLICANS HAVE A CANDIDATE FOR U.S. SENATE.

JD VANCE CAPTURED 32% OF THE GOP PRIMARY VOTE, FAIRLY EASILY BEATING JOSH MANDEL AND MATT DOLAN, WHO FINISHED SECOND AND THIRD.

MIKE GIBBONS AND JANE TIMKEN FELL BACK.

THE ONE-TIME NEVER TRUMPER WAS SURE TO THANK HIS MOST IMPORTANT SUPPORTER.

>> THANKS TO THE PRESIDENT FOR EVERYTHING, FOR ENDORSING ME.

I GOTTA SAY A LOT OF THE FAKE NEWS MEDIA OUT THERE -- AND THERE ARE SOME GOOD ONES IN THE BACK THERE, AND SOME BAD ONES, TOO -- LET'S BE HONEST.

BUT THEY WANTED TO WRITE THE STORY THAT THIS CAMPAIGN WOULD BE THE DEATH OF DONALD TRUMP'S AMERICA FIRST AGENDA.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IT AIN'T THE DEATH OF THE AMERICA FIRST AGENDA.

>> BOB CLEGG, I'M NOT SURE IF WE ARE THE GOOD OR FAKE NEWS MEDIA.

WE WILL LET OTHERS DECIDE THAT.

BUT WOULD JD VANCE HAVE WON THIS NOMINATION WITHOUT DONALD TRUMP'S ENDORSEMENT?

>> NO.

I DON'T THINK HE WOULD HAVE.

I THINK -- I HAVE ALWAYS THOUGHT THIS.

IF THE PRESIDENT DID NOT JUMP IN -- HE WAITED UNTIL FAIRLY LAID ON THIS.

I ALWAYS FELT THAT IF THE PRESIDENT DID NOT JUMP IN, JOSH MANDEL WOULD WIN THIS RACE.

AND ONLY BECAUSE JOSH HAS BEEN ON THE STATEWIDE BALLOT SO MANY TIMES.

HE HAS VERY GOOD NAME ID.

AND ALSO, I THINK THE CORE FOR JOSH'S SUPPORT WAS A LOT OF THOSE TRUMP VOTERS.

SO IF HE HADN'T JUMPED IN, I REALLY THINK JOSH MANDEL WOULD HAVE WON THIS RACE.

>> THERE IS A LOT OF MONDAY MODERNING QUARTERBACKING AFTER A RACE IS OVER.

YOU LOOK BACK AT THE TACTICS OF THE CAMPAIGNS, JOSH MANDEL, AND GIBBONS AND TIMKEN.

ONE THEORY IS THEY WERE TRYING TO BEAT TRUMP RATHER THAN REFLECT TRUMP.

>> IT IS ALWAYS HARD TO SAFE.

I THINK THAT ONE OF THE INTERESTING THINGS WAS THAT TRUMP ENDED UP ENDORSING SOMEONE WHO HAD BEEN CRITICAL OF HIM.

JANE TIMKEN HELPED HIM WIN IN 2016.

SHE WAS THE GOP PARTY CHAIR.

SHE HAD BEEN AN EARLY ENDORSER.

GIBBONS AND ALL OF THESE GUYS HAD BEEN IN HIS CORNER SINCE THE GET-GO.

VANCE WAS THE MIA CULPA, I MADE A MISTAKE AND YOU WERE RIGHT.

IT IS INTERESTING TO SEE THIS ENDORSEMENT FROM THE PRESIDENT WHO SEEMS TO HAVE A LONG MEMORY.

>> 70% DIDN'T VOTE FOR THE PRESIDENT'S CANDIDATE.

>> WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT THE PRESIDENT, HE'S NOT A LOYAL PERSON.

HE MAY SUPPORT YOU ONE WEEK AND BE AGAINST YOU THE NEXT WEEK.

WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT AMERICA FIRST.

TIM RYAN HAS BEEN AMERICA FIRST.

THAT'S WHY HE'S THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE RIGHT NOW.

>> I AM SURPRISED JOSH MANDEL DIDN'T DO BETTER.

HE WAS MY PICK INITIALLY BECAUSE OF HIS NAME ID.

HE LOST STATEWIDE AND WON STATEWIDE BEFORE.

WHY DIDN'T HE DO BETTER?

>> WELL, HE DIDN'T DO BETTER BECAUSE HE DIDN'T GET DONALD TRUMP'S ENDORSEMENT.

I DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT SOUND THAT SIMPLICITY BUT IT WAS REALLY THAT SIMPLICITY.

YOU COULD SEE IT IN THE POLLING GOING UP TO THE ENDORSEMENT.

HE WAS IN FIRST PLACE.

AND IT WASN'T UNTIL PRESIDENT TRUMP ENDORSED JD VANCE THAT YOU SAW THAT SURGE OCCUR FOR JD VANCE.

I MEAN, IT'S REALLY AS SIMPLE AS THAT.

>> SPEAKING OF SECOND-GUESSING AND MONDAY MORNING QUARTERBACKING, MATT DOLAN SURGED LATE.

DOES HE HAVE ANY REGRETS THAT HE DIDN'T DO SOMETHING EARLIER ON?

DOES HE WISH WE HAD A DELAYED PRIMARY, PERHAPS?

>> I DON'T KNOW.

I THINK HE HIT THE LIMIT ON WHAT HE COULD ACCOMPLISH.

EIGHT IN TEN VOTERS CHOSE THE TRUMP CANDIDATE WHICH TELLS US A LOT ABOUT WHERE THE OHIO GOP IS.

I THINK THERE IS THAT 20 OR 25% WHO ARE THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE FISCAL CONSERVATIVE TRADITIONAL REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES.

MAYBE THAT'S THE CEILING FOR A CANDIDATE LIKE HIM.

I THINK WHAT HE WAS HOPING FOR IN THIS SEVEN-WAY RACE IS THEORETICALLY, 25 25, 26% COULD HAVE BEEN ENOUGH TO TAKE IT.

HAD VANCE NOT GOTTEN THE TRUMP ENDORSEMENT AND HAD IT BEEN SPLIT FOR EVENLY, I THINK THAT WAS THE LANE HE WAS GOING FOR.

>> TIMKEN ONLY GETTING 6%.

>>> ON THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE, IT WAS NOT MUCH OF A CONTEST.

CONGRESSMAN TIM RYAN EASILY BEAT HIS OPPONENTS, MORGAN HARPER AND TRACI JOHNSON.

HIS MESSAGE?

UNITY AND JOBS.

>> I WANT TO SEE THE BUILDERS AGAIN.

[ APPLAUSE ] I WANT US TO DOMINATE THE ELECTRIC CAR INDUSTRY, TO DOMINATE THE CHIP INDUSTRY, TO DOMINATE THE BATTERY INDUSTRY, I WANT US TO DOMINATE THE ELECTRIC TRUCK INDUSTRY, GLASS, ENERGY IN SOUTHEAST OHIO, AEROSPACE IN SOUTHWEST OHIO.

I WANT US TO BE THE MANUFACTURING POWER HOUSE OF THE WORLD.

I WANT US TO HELP THIS COUNTRY LEAPFROG CHINA, LEAPFROG THESE OTHER COUNTRIES IN ALL THESE INDUSTRIES.

WE CAN DO IT BY COMING TOGETHER.

BY COMING TOGETHER.

>> DERRICK CLEGG, REPUBLICANS ARE LABELING TIM RYAN A TRUMP DEMOCRAT.

ARE THEY WRONG?

>> LISTEN, WHAT I KNOW ABOUT TIM RYAN IS HE'S THE ORIGINAL AMERICA FIRST CANDIDATE.

WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT A CANDIDATE AND A CONGRESS PERSON THAT'S COME FROM A DEMOCRATIC REGION LIKE THE MAHONEY VALLEY, THAT'S THE BACKBONE OF THIS STATE.

THOSE ARE VERY HARD-WORKING PEOPLE.

AND HE KNOWS -- HE KNOWS WHAT IT TAKES TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE STRONG MANUFACTURING IN THE STATE, AND LABOR -- LABOR UNIONS THAT'S GOING TO REPRESENT WORKERS.

SO I THINK THAT JD VANCE IS GOING TO HAVE A VERY TOUGH TIME WHEN HE IS -- HAS TO OVERCOME THE CARPET BAGGER LABEL HIMSELF, COMING INTO THE STATE WHEN YOU HAVE A CONGRESSMAN THAT'S BEEN HERE FOR OVER 20 YEARS DOING IT.

>> HE WAS HERE, THEN WENT AWAY TO CALIFORNIA, DOES TIM HAVE A HOME STATE ADVANTAGE?

CAN HE USE THAT AGAINST VANCE?

>> HE CAN TRY TO USE IT.

THE PROBLEM HE HAS IS THAT HE SUPPORTS JOE BIDEN.

AND HE SUPPORTS JOE BIDEN'S POLICIES ASK.

HE'S DOING THAT IN A STATE THAT DONALD TRUMP CARRIED NOT ONCE, BUT TWICE BY OVER 8%.

WITH THE ECONOMY IN THE SHAPE IT IS RIGHT NOW, INFLATION RAGING, TIM RYAN HAS GOT TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY.

HE VOTED FOR ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT CAUSED THIS TO HAPPEN.

HE'S GOT TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR HIS SUPPORT OF JOE BIDEN AND HOW BIEN TURNED OUT AS PRESIDENT.

>> WE SAW THAT VANCE CAN RAISE MONEY A LOT FROM ONE GUY, PETER DEAL.

BUT THIS IS GOING TO BE THE KEY.

DO NATIONAL DEMOCRATS THINK TIM RYAN CAN WIN?

WILL THEY FUND HIS CAMPAIGN?

>> I THINK HE HAS CLOSE TO $10 MILLION IN HIS WAR CHEST.

HE HAS A SEE SENT CHUNK OF CHANGE GOING IN, WHICH HE IS ABSOLUTELY GOING TO NEED.

BUT I THINK THERE WILL BE A QUESTION WHEN WE START TO SEE POLLING WHETHER NATIONAL GROUPS THINK HE CAN BE COMPETITIVE.

SHERROD BROWN IS THE EXCEPTION THAT DEFINES THE STANDARDS.

WE WILL HAVE TO SEE, IF POLLING LOOKS CLOSE I THINK THEY WOULD POUR IN A LOT OF MONEY.

BUT EIGHT TO TEN POINTS, MAYBE NOT.

>>> THE FINALISTS FOR OHIO GOVERNOR ARE SET.

GOVERNOR MIKE DEWINE SURVIVED DIVISIONS IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY TO CAPTURE THE NOMINATION.

DEWINE FELL SHORT OF HALF OF THE GOP VOTE, BUT EASILY BEAT JIM RENACCI AND JOE BLYSTONE.

>> LOOK, IT'S BEEN MY EXPERIENCE, AND I'VE DONE THIS A FEW TIMES IN ELECTIONS, AND I THINK, GENERALLY, PEOPLE VOTE THEIR FUTURE.

WHO'S GOING TO BE THE PERSON TO LEAD THIS STATE FOR THE NEXT FOUR YEARS?

AND I THINK WE HAVE DEMONSTRATED THIS IS FISCALLY SOUND ADMINISTRATION.

THIS IS AN ADMINISTRATION THAT TRIES TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO LIVE UP TO THEIR FULL POTENTIAL.

THIS IS AN ADMINISTRATION THAT IS CONCERNED ABOUT THE UNBORN, IS CONCERNED ABOUT THE POOR.

WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT MAKING SURE EVERYBODY HAS A CHANCE TO LIVE.

>> CLEAR BIG WIN FOR MIKE DEWINE.

>> YES.

>> BUT HE LOST 22 COUNTIES TO JOE BLYSTONE, A FARMER WHO HAD NEVER BEEN ON ANYONE'S RADAR BEFORE.

IS THAT A CAUSE FOR CONCERN?

>> SURE.

I THINK YOU SAW THAT IN THE PRIMARY.

THE GOVERNOR SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ON MAILINGS, TV, RADIO.

HE KNEW HE WAS IN A TOUGH RACE.

AND HE PROVED IT BY SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY.

BUT IT WORKED OUT PRETTY MUCH THE WAY I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE PARTY THOUGHT IT WOULD.

IF IT HAD BEEN A HEAD-TO-HEAD WITH HE AND BLYSTONE OR RAN RENACCI, IT IS GOING TO BE MORE DIFFICULT.

BUT HE HAD THREE OPPONENTS.

HE WASN'T TOO FAR UNDER 50%.

>> BLYSTONE VOTERS DO, THEY COME OUT FOR DEWINE IN THE FALL?

DO THEY STAY HOME.

>> I DON'T THINK THEY ARE GOING TO GO FOR WHALEY.

THAT'S GOING TO BE THE CHALLENGE.

IF ENOUGH STAY HOME, I DON'T KNOW.

SOME MIGHT BUT THERE WILL BE A U.S. SENATE RACE ON THE BALLOT.

THEY ARE GOING TO BE INTERESTED IN THE STATE SUPREME COURT RACE THAT WE HAVE GOT GOING.

A NUMBER OF ISSUES.

I THINK THIS ROE V WADE DECISION, THE GOVERNOR HAS BEEN CONSERVATIVE, HE'S VERY PRO LIFE, I THINK WHEN HE SIGNS THAT TRIGGER BAN, IT IS GOING TO DO A LOT TO MEND FENCES.

>> WHAT PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND IS THAT NAN WHALEY HAS RURAL ROOTS.

SHE KNOWS HOW TO TALK TO RURAL VOTERS.

I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE VERY IMPORTANT GOING INTO THIS GENERAL ELECTION RACE WITH THE GOVERNOR.

YOU KNOW, THE GOVERNOR HAS HAD SOME STUMBLING BLOCKS.

WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE DAYTON SHOOTING THAT THE ADMINISTRATION PRACTICALLY HAS NOT DONE ANYTHING ON.

IF ANYTHING, THEY HAVE MADE THE SITUATION WORSE WITH THIS CONCEALED CARRY PERMIT THAT ANYONE CAN JUST CONCEAL CARRY IN THE STATE.

I THINK THERE IS GOING TO BE SOME REAL ISSUES THAT THE GOVERNOR IS GOING TO HAVE TO EXPLAIN HIMSELF ON.

>> IT ALWAYS COMES DOWN TO THE ECONOMY, DERRICK.

BUT IN THE INTEL ANNOUNCEMENT THIS SPRING OR LATE WINTER, IT HAS TO BE A FEATHER IN HIS CAP.

DEMOCRATS CAN'T REALLY RUN AGAINST THAT.

>> NO.

THE INTEL DEAL WAS DEFINITELY A FEATHER IN THE CAP FOR THE STATE OF OHIO.

BUT I THINK THAT WHAT THE FORMER MAYOR, NAN WHALEY IS GOING TO POINT OUT, HOW MUCH DID THAT COST THE TAXPAYERS TO GET THAT DEAL HERE IN THE STATE.

>> LET'S GET TO THAT DEMOCRATIC RACE.

IT WAS HARD TO GET A READ ON WHO HAD THE EDGE HEADING INTO TUESDAY'S PRIMARY.

IN THE END, THE WINNER WAS CLEAR.

FORMER DAYTON MAYOR, NAN WHALEY BEAT FORMER CINCINNATI MAYOR, JOHN CRANEY, BY NEARLY A TWO-TO-ONE MARGIN.

>> OHIO ISN'T A RED STATE OR A BLUE STATE.

IT'S A FRUSTRATED STATE THAT'S BEEN IGNORED BY POLITICIANS FROM BOTH PARTIES FOR FAR TOO LONG.

I'M RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR BECAUSE I KNOW OHIO IS READY FOR A CHANGE.

THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, MIKE DEWINE IS OUT OF TOUCH, CORRUPT, AND DOESN'T CARE ABOUT YOU.

>> DERRICK, I DON'T THINK ANYONE SAW THE TWO-TO-ONE MARGIN.

WERE YOU SURPRISED BY THAT?

>> I WAS SURPRISED IT.

THOUGHT THAT RACE WOULD HAVE BEEN CLOSER THAN IT WAS.

I THINK MAYOR CRAYONLY EVEN WON HIS HOME COUNTY, HAMILTON COUNTY.

CLEARLY, NAN RAN A BETTER RACE.

SHE WAS OUT -- SHE WAS OUT ON THE TRAIL, EVERYWHERE THAT I WAS AROUND THE STATE, SHE WAS THERE.

SHE HAD A CLEAR MESSAGE.

SHE WAS ON TV.

SHE DID THE ADS AND THE MAILERS TO THE DEMOCRATIC VOTERS.

SO SHE JUST RAN A BETTER RACE THAN HE DID.

>> HOW CONCERNED SHOULD MIKE DEWINE BE ABOUT NAN WHALEY.

>> SHE'S WELL-KNOWN.

NOT AS WELL AS MIKE DEWINE.

THEY HAVE BEEN TOGETHER.

ON THE DAYTON SHOOTING.

THEY DIFFERED ON HOW TO REACT TO THAT.

HOW DOES DEWINE CAMPAIGN AGAINST HER?

>> I THINK HE SHOULD TAKE HER SERIOUSLY.

WHEN YOU DON'T, YOU GET YOURSELF IN TROUBLE.

LET'S FACE IT, NAN WHALEY IS YOUR CLASSIC LIBERAL.

SHE'S PRO ABORTION, SHE'S ANTI-GUN.

IN 2022, IN OHIO, THOSE CANDIDATES HAVE A REALLY HARD TIME WINNING, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT LOOKS LIKE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A PRETTY GOOD REPUBLICAN ENVIRONMENT GOING INTO THE GENERAL ELECTION WOULD TURN OUT PROBABLY TO HER FAVOR.

THAT'S THE ONE THING ABOUT THE PRIMARY THAT'S MOST INTERESTING TO ME IS THE FACT THAT YOU HAD A TO-TO-ONE TURN OUT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS.

I HAVE NEVER SEEN THAT.

>> DEMOCRATS DIDN'T SPEND $65 MILLION TO GET -- >> NO.

THAT WAS ONE RACE.

BUT YOU KNOW, IF THEY HAD ALL BEEN UNOPPOSED, I WOULD HAVE SAID, YEAH, YOU ARE RIGHT.

BUT THIS IS APPROACHING INNOCENCE I HAVE SEEN DOWN SOUTH, ALABAMA, MISSISSIPPI W THE REPUBLICAN/DEMOCRAT TURNOUTS.

I THINK IT SHOWS YOU HOW RED OHIO HAS BECOME.

>> WE NEVER HAD A FEMALE NOMINEE FROM A MAJOR PARTY FOR GOVERNOR BEFORE, ANNA.

WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES THAT MAKE, DO YOU THINK?

>> I WONDER THE THAT PROPELLED HER TO VICTORY ON ELECTION NIGHT.

WE HAD THAT LEAKED SUPREME COURT DECISION.

>> YEAH.

>> THAT WAS ONE OF THE DIFFERENCES SHE TRIED TO DRAWCRAYONLY.

SHE HAS BEEN PRO APPORTION ALL HER LIFE.

AND CRAYONLY SOME WHEN HE WAS OLDER.

I THINK SHE IS GOING TO EMPHASIZE IT THERE IS NO PATH TO A DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY IN THE STATE HOUSE OR THE STATE SENATE.

SHE'S GOING TO SAY I AM THE RIGHT PERSON TO ACT AS SORT OF A STOPGAP AGAINST ALL OF THEIR, QUOTE, UNQUOTE, LIKE BAD IDEAS, THAT SHE'S GOING TO TRY TO SELL HERSELF TO SUBURBAN MOMS LIKE ME.

THIS WOULD BE THE APPEAL.

>> CAN SHE RAISE THE MONEY.

>> SHE CAN RAISE THE MONEY.

SHE'S GOING TO BE WORKING -- OBVIOUSLY, HER BASE OF VOTERS, BUT THERE IS GOING TO BE A NUMBER OF GUN RIGHTS -- GUN ADVOCATES THAT WANT TO SEE -- WANT TO SEE CHANGE IN THIS STATE IN REPORTS TO GUN LAWS.

SHE'S GOING TO GET SUPPORT FROM THAT.

SHE'S GOING TO GET SUPPORT FROM THE LABOR UNIONS.

SO I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE A COMPETITIVE RACE WHEN IT COMES TO MONEY.

>> ALL RIGHT.

OUR NEXT TOPIC.

>>> AS OHIO VOTERS WERE PREPARING TO CAST PRIMARY BALLOTS, A BOMBSHELL DROPPED.

ON THE EVE OF PRIMARY DAY, POLITICO PUBLISHED A DRAFT SUPREME COURT MAJORITY OPINION THAT WOULD OVERTURN ROE VERSUS WADE.

IF THE DRAFT WRITTEN IN FEBRUARY HOLDS, OHIO VERY LIKELY WOULD BAN MOST ABORTIONS.

ANNA STAVER, ACTIVISTS WERE CAUGHT BY -- I THINK EVERYONE WAS CAUGHT BY SURPRISE.

ACTIVISTS CERTAINLY CAUGHT BY SURPRISE.

WHAT HAPPENED AT THE STATE HOUSE IN THE DAYS IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING?

WAS THERE ANY ACTION, ANYTHING GOING ON DOWN THERE?

>> FOR STARTERS, IT BLEW UP ALL OF OUR ELECTION DAY PLANS.

WE ALL THOUGHT WE KNEW WHERE WE WERE GOING, WHAT WE WERE COVERING.

THEN THAT ALL CHANGED.

EVERYONE WAS SURPRISED.

YOU HEARD ALL THE STATEWIDE CANDIDATES CAME OUT AND GAVE THEIR OPINIONS.

THEN THE STATE DEMOCRATS, FOUR WOMEN, TWO IN THE HOUSE, TWO IN THE SENATE INTRODUCED A PLAN TO DO A STATE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT TO PROTECT ABORTION ACCESS NOW.

YOU WOULD NEED A 3/A MAJORITY IN BOTH THE STATE HOUSE AND THE SENATE.

THEN THERE WAS CONVERSATION ABOUT TRYING TO RUN IT AS MORE OF AN AMENDMENT ON THE BATH.

THAT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE IN POLLING A MAJORITY OF OHIOANS CONSISTENTLY SHOW SUPPORT FOR SOME MEASURE OF ABORTION.

NOT ALL -- LIKE NOT UP UNTIL 40 WEEKS BUT THERE TENDS TO BE SUPPORT FOR THE 12 TO 15-WEEK MARK.

>> IS THIS, FOR FOLKS WHO OPPOSE ABORTION RIGHTS THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN WORKING FOR FOR A LONG TIME.

FOLKS LIKE YOU.

>> YEAH, YEAH.

>> WHAT DO YOU DO NOW?

IS THE FIGHT OVER?

>> NO.

IT JUST SHIFTS THE BATTLEGROUND FROM A NATIONAL FEDERAL BATTLEGROUND DOWN TO THE STATE LEVEL.

AND YOU JUST KEEP THE -- YOU KNOW, KEEP THE FIGHT GOING.

I -- YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHERE ALL THIS SURPRISE COMES FROM BECAUSE I MEAN WE DID HAVE SIX MORE OR LESS CONSERVATIVE JUSTICES ON THAT COURT.

I THOUGHT WE KNEW AT SOME POINT SOON -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT SOON MEANS -- WE WOULD HAVE SOMETHING CHANGING ROE.

SHOCKED BY THIS.

>> I THINK WE WERE SHOCKED BY THE TIMING.

LATE JUNE -- >> BECAUSE OF THE LEAK, WHICH IS ANOTHER WHOLE STORY IN ITSELF.

>> IF IT IS IN FACT THE FINAL RULING, WHICH JOHN ROBERTS SAYS IT IS NOT.

>> YEAH.

>> DO DEMOCRATS -- NOW, FOR 50 YEARS, REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN GALVANIZED TO OVERTURN ROE.

MANY OF THEM, DERRICK, ARE ONE-ISSUE VOTERS.

DEMOCRATS, NOT SO MUCH IN DEFENDING ROE.

DOES THAT CHANGE NOW?

DO DEMOCRATS BECOME MORE GALVANIZE OF THE HIT BE OVERTURNED.

>> I THINK YOU SAW THAT AT THE LEAKED MEMO.

YOU SAW PROTESTS A THE SUPREME COURT.

I THINK YOU ARE GOING THE SEE MORE OF THOSE PROTESTS AS WE GET CLOSER TO WHATEVER DECISION COMES OUT FROM THE SUPREME COURT.

THE MOMENTUM HAS DEFINITELY SHIFTED.

AND I THINK IT COULD AFFECT HOW THE STATEWIDE RACES ARE AFFECTED IN NOVEMBER.

>> NAN WHALEY, THE POLLS IN OHIO 55-45 SUPPORT ROE IN SOME FORM.

NATIONALLY 70% SUPPORT ROE.

THIS IS THE MINORITY, POSSIBLY, IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE POLLS, BEING IN CHARGE OF THIS DECISION.

DOES THAT GIVE NAN BHALY SOMETHING TO REALLY HUNDRED ON?

IS THAT ENOUGH?

>> THE WHOLE ISSUE OF ABORTION -- I HAVE A FEELING, IF YOU ARE ASKING ME HOW WILL IT AFFECT TURNOUT?

YOU KNOW, I GOT THIS BELIEF THAT ABORTION IS ONE OF THOSE ISSUES THAT IF YOU ARE REALLY, REALLY KEYED UP ABOUT IT, AND YOU -- YOU CARE ABOUT IT AND YOU ARE VERY ENERGIZED ABOUT IT, YOU ARE ALREADY VOTING.

I THINK THE ISSUES THAT TEND TO INFLUENCE TURNOUT MOST ARE THE EVERYDAY ISSUES, MEANING GOING TO THE GROCERY STORE, GETTING GAS AT THE GAS STATION, GOING TO YOUR DOCTOR, GETTING HEALTH CARE.

I THINK THOSE ARE THE KIND OF ISSUES THAT AFFECT YOU ON A DAILY, WEEKLY, MONTHLY BASIS ARE MUCH MORE IMPACTFUL ON TURNOUT THAN SOMETHING LIKE ABORTION OR CLIMATE CHANGE OR THINGS LIKE THAT.

>> SUBURBAN VOTERS, ANNA, I HATE TO BE CLICHE, THEY ARE WATCHING, MORE MODERATE VOTERS, SOCCER MOMS TEND TO SUPPORT ABORTION RIGHTS.

OFTENTIMES WOULD VOTE FOR REPUBLICANS IN THE PAST.

NOW SHIFTED AWAY FROM DONALD TRUMP.

IS THIS MORE REASON TO SHIFT AWAY AND POSSIBLY TOWARDS WHALEY AND RYAN?

>> I THINK IT DEPENDS ON WHAT OHIO SPECIFICALLY PASSES.

RIGHT NOW IT LOOKS LIKE MAYBE THAT HEARTBEAT BILL WOULD BECOME LAW OF THE LAND WHERE THIS DECISION BE ACCURATE AND OFFICIAL TESTIMONY TRIGGER THAT THEY ARE PROPOSING HAS NO EXEMPTIONS FOR RAPE OR INCEST.

IT ALSO HAS AN AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE, WHICH MEANS IT'S NOT ALLOWED TO SAVE THE LIFE OF THE MOTHER BUT THE DOCTOR WOULD STILL BE ARREST ASKED PROSECUTED AND COULD USE THAT ARGUMENT AS HIS OR HER DEFENSE.

AND THAT'S A PRETTY EXTREME VERSION OF A FULL BAN.

I THINK IT DEPENDS ON HOW DEMOCRATS MARKET THAT TO, SAY WOMEN WHO LIVE NEXT DOOR TO ME.

>> DERRICK, DOES IT HURT ABORTION RIGHTS SUPPORTERS TO PREDICT THIS DECISION WILL LEAD TO OTHER THINGS, LIKE THE REVERSAL OF GAY MARRIAGE, BANS ON CONTRACEPTION.

EVEN TODAY I HEARD IT COULD LEAD TO THE REVERSAL OF THE INTERRACIAL MARRIAGE RULING, THE LOVING RULING.

THAT SEEMS TO BE REALLY EXTREME?

>> WELL, IT COULD POSSIBLY DO THAT.

RIGHT?

I THINK THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU POLITICIZE THE COURT SYSTEM.

OF COURSE, DEMOCRATS ARE ALWAYS TRYING TO GET JUSTICES THAT ARE LEANING MORE TO THE LEFT, AND REPUBLICANS MORE TO THE RIGHT.

BUT WHEN YOU POLITICIZE THE COURT SYSTEM, THESE TYPES OF DECISIONS ARE ALWAYS A CONSIDERATION.

>> SHOULD SUPPORTERS OF GAY MARRIAGE, SUPPORTERS OF CONTRACEPTION BE WORRIED BY THIS RULING, IF IT, IN FACT, IS THE RULING?

>> NO, BECAUSE THIS IS ABOUT ABORTION.

THIS ISN'T ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE.

WHAT THEY ARE SAYING IS OKAY YOU ARE GOING TO TAKE A CONSERVATIVE STANCE ON ABORTION.

THEREFORE, YOU ALL ARE GOING TO TAKE A CONSERVATIVE STANCE ON EVERY SINGLE ISSUE THAT COMES BEFORE THE COURT.

>> AND THE RIGHT TO PRIVACY.

>> NO.

BUT ON ANY ANY ISSUE YOU ARE GOING TO TAKE THE MOST CONSERVATIVE.

I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE THAT WAY.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

IF IT IS A 5-4 DECISION.

THEY ARE ALL AT DIFFERENT DEGREES.

THEY ARE NOT ALL LOCK STEP.

WHATEVER THE ISSUE COULD BE, ONE OF THOSE TWO FLIP VERY EASILY.

>>> LET'S GET TO OUR FINAL TOPIC, IT WON'T GO AWAY.

>>> THE OHIO REDISTRICTING COMMISSIONER IS EITHER THUMBING ITS NOSE AT THE OHIO SUPREME COURT OR HOPING ITS CHIEF JUSTICE CHANGES HER MIND.

THE COMMISSIONER REAPPROVED ITS THIRD VERSION OF STATE LEGISLATIVE DISTRICTS.

THE SUPREME COURT REJECTED THOSE MAPS AND THREE OTHER SETS, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THIS VERSION MAY HOLD AS A FEDERAL COURT HAS INDICATED IT WILL ACCEPT THESE MAPS IF THE COURT OR COMMISSION CANNOT COME UP WITH ANOTHER ONE.

THE BIG QUESTION IS -- OUR ELECTION FOLKS WERE YELLING IT LAST NIGHT, ON THURSDAY NIGHT, CONTEMPT OF COURT.

WHAT'S THE FEELING OF THE STATE HOUSE, THE SUPREME COURT HOLDING THIS COMMISSION IN CONTEMPT?

>> I THINK IT QUALIFIES, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THE COURT WILL GO FORWARD WITH IT.

FOR FOLKS WHO HAVEN'T BEEN FOLLOWING IT AS CLOSELY AS EVERYONE AT THIS TABLE HAS THE SUPREME COURT DID HOLD THE COMMISSION IN CONTEMPT VERY BRIEFLY.

THEY HAD SCHEDULED A TIME TO HAVE THEM ALL COME IN AND EXPLAIN WHY THEY SHUNNED BE FINED OR IMPRISONED OR ALL OF THAT CRAZY STUFF.

THEN THEY WORKED IT OUT AND DECIDED NOT TO DO THAT.

WILL THE CHIEF JUSTICE, MILES AN HOUR IAN O'CONNOR HOLD THEM IN CONTEMPT AGAIN?

I THINK IT IS REASONABLE.

THEY JUST SUBMITTED A MAP SHE CALLED UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

THAT SOUNDS LIKE CONTEMPT.

THE QUESTION ISN'T SO MUCH CONTEMPT.

BUT WHAT'S THE PUNISHMENT?

IS IT A FINE?

ARE WE GOING TO PUT THE GOVERNOR OF THE STATE IN PRISON?

HOW DOES THIS WORK.

>> DERRICK?

>> I DON'T THINK IT WILL GET TO THAT EXTREME.

WE HOPE IT DOESN'T GET TO THAT EXTREME.

>> YEAH.

>> BUT THE CHIEF JUSTICE SENT A CLEAR MESSAGE.

WE WANT FAIR MAPS.

THAT'S THE REASON WHY IT HAS BEEN REJECTED FOUR TIMES.

BASICALLY, WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS WE ARE GOING TO GIVE YOU OUR OLD STALE MAP, A MAP THAT THE OHIO SUPREME COURT HAS ALREADY SAID IS NOT CONSTITUTIONAL.

AND THEY ARE GOING TO SUBMIT A OLD, STALE MAP TO REALLY THUMB THE NOSE AT THE SUPREME COURT.

AND IF YOU GOT A FEDERAL COURT THAT'S MAKING DECISIONS ABOUT STATE DECISIONS, THAT SETS A VERY, VERY BAD PRECEDENT.

>> THIS IS THE GAME OF CHICKEN.

>> SURE: IT WAS ALWAYS GOING TO BE THAT WAY, FROM THE BEGINNING.

>> DOES IT END WITH THE FEDERAL JUDGE SAKE WE WILL TAKE THIS THIRD MAP?

>> PROBABLY.

BUT THE PROBLEM IS THE CHIEF AND OTHER THREE DEMOCRATS ON THE SUPREME COURTE KEEP MOVING THE GOAL POSTS.

THEY WANTED A 54-45 MAP.

THEY WERE GIVEN ONE.

WE DON'T LIKE THE KIND OF DISTRICTS GIVE IN THE 45 FOR THE DEMOCRATS.

THIS IS RIDICULOUS STUFF, STUFF THAT'S NOT IN THE OHIO CONSTITUTION.

THE FEDERAL COURT SAYING THOSE LINES ARE GOOD, THEY ARE GOOD.

>> THE ARGUMENTS THAT REPUBLICANS HAVE, THEY WERE MORE COMPETITIVE DISTRICTS BUT ALL THE COMPETITIVE DISTRICTS THE DEMOCRATS ARGUE WERE ON THE DEMOCRAT SIDE.

FINAL PARTING SHOTS.

BOB CLEGG?

>> EVERYBODY SEEMS TO BE OUT OF MONEY AFTER THIS PRIMARY.

BUT I AM AFRAID WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THIRD PARTY ENTITIES COMING INTO OHIO AND I THINK THIS SUMMER WE ARE GOING THE SEE MORE POLITICAL ADS.

>> GOODY.

DERRICK CLAY.

>> I HAVE TO SAY THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL STUDIO.

THIS IS THE SECOND BRAND-NEW STUDIO I HAVE BEEN IN THIS WEEK.

>> IT IS GOING TO BE EVEN MORE BEAUTIFUL WHEN WE GET OUR SET GOING IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS.

ANNA STAVER.

>> I DON'T KNOW IF YOU NOTICED, THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER WHO PROPOSED SHOOTING FARRELL CATS BECAUSE THERE WAS A PROBLEM WITH FARRELL CATECHOL KNEES.

HE MADE THIS DECISION, WE SHOULD HAVE FARRELL CAT SEASON.

WELL, HE LOST HIS PRIMARY ELECTION ON ELECTION NIGHT.

I JUST LOVE THAT HIS CHALLENGER REPLACED HIS FACEBOOK PROFILE PAGE WITH A PICTURE OF HIM AND HIS CAT.

IT WAS LIKE A LITTLE LOW KEY SHADE ON A SMALL ISSUE.

I JUST -- I IT IS THAT KIND OF CRAZINESS IN LOCAL POLITICS THAT I LOVE.

>> LESSON THERE, DO NOT MESS WITH A CAT OWNER.

>>> MY FINAL COMMENT.

EVERYONE WAS SHOCKED BY THE U.S. SUPREME COURT TODAY AND PEOPLE CLUTCHING THEIR PEARLS SAYING IT WAS OUTRAGEOUS, A TREMENDOUS BREACH OF TRUST.

I AM NOT SO SURE.

A LITTLE TRANSPARENCY FOR THE EQUAL THIRD BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT ISN'T SO BAD.

CAMERAS IN THAT COURTROOM WOULD BE GOOD, TOO.

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