>>> BILL MARES HAS ENJOYED SEVERAL CAREERS AND NUMEROUS HOBBIES WHILE AUTHORING NEARLY A DOZEN BOOKS.

WE'LL TALK WITH JOURNALIST, PHOTOGRAPHER, BEEKEEPER, FORMER LEGISLATOR AND HIGH SCHOOL HISTORY TEACHER, BILL MARES, NEXT ON "PROFILE."

♪♪ >>> WILLIAM MARES WAS BORN IN ST.

LOUIS AND RAISED IN TEXAS.

HE CAME EAST TO HARVARD WHERE HE RECEIVED A CUM LAUDE DEGREE IN HISTORY AND WENT ON TO GET A MASTERS FROM TUFTS.

MARES HAS WORKED AS A WRITER AND PHOTOGRAPHER FOR NATIONAL MAGAZINES AND SEVERAL NEWSPAPERS INCLUDING THE CHICAGO SUN TIMES AND THE BURLINGTON FREE PRESS.

HE SERVED THREE TERMS AS A VERMONT LEGISLATOR.

MARES JUST RETIRED FROM TEACHING HISTORY AND FOREIGN POLICY AT CHAMPLAIN VALLEY UNION HIGH SCHOOL, WHERE HE WAS NAMED TEACHER OF THE YEAR.

HE HAS AUTHORED 11 BOOKS ON SUBJECTS AS DIVERSE AS THE US MARINES, VT SECESSION, FLY FISHING PRESIDENTS, BEER MAKING AND BEEKEEPING.

HE'S RUN 28 MARATHONS AND CONTINUES TO SING IN AREA CHOIRS.

HE AND HIS WIFE, CHRIS HADSEL, HAVE TWO GROWN SONS AND LIVE IN BURLINGTON.

>> THANKS FOR BEING HERE.

>> THANKS, FRAN.

>> YOU QUOTE YOUR MOTHER AT UP WITH POINT ASSAYING THAT YOU TAKE ON THE WORLD'S WOES.

HOW DID THAT SHOW UP EARLY IN LIFE?

>> I DON'T KNOW HOW EARLY IN LIFE.

I THINK THAT SHE -- PROBABLY THE BIBLICAL QUOTE THAT SHE REITERATED WAS TO WHOM MUCH IS GIVE P FROM HIM SHALL MUCH BE REQUIRED AND SO THERE WAS ALWAYS THIS SORT OF OBLIGATION THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU WEREN'T HERE JUST FOR YOURSELF.

AND.

>> TOOK THAT TO HEART.

>> SORT OF, YEAH, BUT I WOULDN'T SAY THAT I WAS OUT THERE SAVING THE WORLD AT EVERY MOMENT.

BUT THAT I WAS TRYING TO I THINK AFTER PROBABLY AFTER I WAS -- BECAME A JOURNALIST I WAS PROBABLY MORE CONSCIOUS THAT I WAS TRYING TO DOCUMENT WHAT WAS GOING ON IN THE WORLD AND.

>> YOU ACTUALLY DAYS AFTER GRADUATING FROM HARVARD, THIS IS IN THE EARLY '60S, YOU ENLISTED IN THE MARINES FOR A SIX MONTH PROGRAM AND THEN IS RESERVIST PROGRAM.

WHAT WAS YOUR MOTIVATION TO DO THAT?

>> WELL, I REALLY HAD MY DREAM WAS TO GO IN TH FOREIGN SERVICE AND BE A DIPLOMAT AND SO BETWEEN I HAD A YEAR BETWEEN WHEN I WAS GRADUATION AND WHEN I THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO FINISH AT TUFTS AND TAKE THE FOREIGN SERVICE EXAM.

WELL, SO I THOUGHT WELL, I WILL DO THIS MILITARY AND GET THAT OUT OF THE WAY AND THEN TURNED OUT THE FOREIGN SERVICE DIDN'T WANT ME SO THEN I THOUGHT WHAT AM I GOING TO DO.

I GOT A JOB AT CITIBANK AT NEW YORK AND AFTER I YEAR SAID I'M NOT REALLY A BANKERS.

I THOUGHT WHAT IS THE LAST REFUGE OF SCOUNDRELS, WELL, GO TO LAW SCHOOL SO I ENDED UP AT UNIVERSITY OF CHICAGO LAW SCHOOL AND THAT WAS REALLY A MISTAKE.

SO I HAD THREE FAILURES IN ABOUT A TWO YEAR PERIOD OF TIME AND THEN BY JUST DUMB LUCK I FELL INTO JOURNALISM AND WORKED FOR A NEWS AGENCY IN CHICAGO CALLED THE CITY NEWS BUREAU AND FROM THERE I STARTED TAKING PICTURES AND THEN I BECAME SORT OF A MIXTURE OF A PHOTOGRAPHER AND A REPORTER.

AND I WORKED FOR THE SUN TIMES.

>> ONE OF YOUR AND YOUR FIRST BOOK WAS ACTUALLY ABOUT THE MARINES, ABOUT SIX YEARS LATER IN THE HEIGHT OF THE VIETNAM WAR, YOU GO BACK AND YOU WRITE A RATHER MOVING AND VERY INFORMATIVE PORTRAIT OF PARIS ISLAND WHICH IS THE NOTORIOUS BOOT CAMP.

>> RIGHT.

>> HOW WAS IT DIFFERENT THEN THAN WHEN YOU WERE THERE SIX YEARS BEFORE?

>> WELL, IT WAS PRETTY CLOSE.

THE BIG DIFFERENCE WAS THAT MOST OF THESE GUYS WERE GOING TO VIETNAM.

AND SO IT HAD MUCH MORE OF THE -- MUCH MORE ATTENTION.

THE ONLY THING THAT WAS UNUSUAL ABOUT MY PERIOD IN THE MARINES WAS IT WAS THE CUBAN MISSILE CRISIS AND WE WERE TOLD THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE THE SECOND WAVE INTO CUBA BUT, OF COURSE, THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

AND IT WAS OVER IN TWO WEEKS.

SO BUT THE.

>> THE TENSION IS ALWAYS THERE.

>> THE TENSION WAS A LOT MORE SERIOUS IN '68 BECAUSE THAT WAS WHERE THEY WERE GOING.

>> AND IT PROBABLY ISN'T ALL THAT DIFFERENT TODAY.

YOU FOCUSED ON THE MIDDLE EAST I GUESS BECAUSE YOU ARE INTERESTED IN INTERNATIONAL AFFAIRS.

>> I MAJOR IN IT IN HARVARD.

>> BECAUSE OF A PROFESSOR.

>> NO, BECAUSE I WAS GETTING BETTER GRADES.

>> YOU TOOK A VISIT TO THE DESERT 1971 AS A PHOTO JOURNALIST FROM RIYADH BY CAMEL.

HOW DID THAT AFFECT YOUR LIFE?

>> WELL, I THINK THAT IT WAS EXTRAORDINARY IN ITS OWN SENSE THAT -- THAT IT WASN'T ONE OF THE THE GREATEST TRIPS ACROSS ARABIA BUT IT WAS PRETTY SEVERE AND WE HAD SOME OF THE NORMAL THINGS THAT CAN GO WRONG.

WE RAN OUT OF WATER AND WE GOT LOST.

BUT I THINK THAT SORT OF THE INTENSITY OF LIVING AS THEY WERE AT THAT TIME AND THIS WAS BEFORE THE OIL EMBARGOES OF '71 AND '74 OR '74 AND THEN '79 AND SO IT WAS A PRETTY DESSERTED PLACE.

AND EVEN -- >> BUT YOU WERE STILL TRYING TO CAPTURE SOMETHING THAT YOU THOUGHT MIGHT BE -- >> THAT WAS THE POINT.

THAT WAS THE ARGUMENT PROPROSAL WE MADE TO THE SAUDI GOVERNMENT TO LET US DO THIS BECAUSE MY PROFESSOR FROM HARVARD WHO WANTED TO DO THIS AND ASKED ME TO GO WHEN HE FOUND OUT I WAS A PHOTOGRAPHER IS HE WANTED TO TRANSLATE A PREISLAMIC POEM CALLED THE GOLDEN ODE AND WE WOULD ILLUSTRATE THIS WITH PHOTOGRAPHS.

75 VERSES AND 75 PHOTOGRAPHS AND MY JOB WAS TO GO AND TAKE THE PICTURES ALONG THE WAY THAT WOULD RECREATE THIS AND THEN HE HAD THE BOOK TRANSLATED OR PUT INTO ARABIC SCRIPT.

>> THAT IS BEAUTIFUL.

>> AND THEN WHEN WE GOT BACK WE ENDED UP IN BEIRUT, LEBANON.

WE RAN INTO A REPORTER FOR THE CHRISTIAN SCIENCE MONITOR AND HE ASKED US ABOUT THE TRIP AND SAID WOW, THAT IS PRETTY COOL.

SO HE WROTE AN ARTICLE ABOUT IT WHICH WAS THEN SEEN BY AN EDITOR AT A PUBLISHER IN NEW YORK SO WHEN WE GOT BACK HE CALLS US UP AND SAYS DO YOU WANT TO DO IT BOOK ABOUT THIS AND WE SAID WELL, SURE, SO WE GOT TWO BOOKS OUT OF ONE TRIP.

>> FANTASTIC.

>> HOW DID YOU APPROACH THE BEDUOIN WITH PHOTOGRAPHY.

THERE AREN'T MANY PICTURES OF WOMEN FOR ONE.

>> IT WAS NOT REALLY A PEOPLE BOOK.

IT IS CALLED THE GOLDEN ODE BECAUSE IT IS REALLY ABOUT THESE SOLITARY POETS WHO LIVE THIS SO A LOT OF IT, MOST OF THE PICTURES EVER WERE OF LANDSCAPES AND A FEW WERE OF ANIMALS AND I THINK WE HAD ONE PICTURE OF A WOMAN IN THERE.

SO IT WASN'T -- I MEAN THEY WEREN'T SOCIAL PHOTOGRAPHY.

THIS WAS LANDSCAPE PHOTOGRAPHY.

>> RIGHT, THAT WASN'T REALLY THE GOAL.

SO THROUGH THE '70S, YOU ARE RUNNING OFF TO ARABIA AND YOU ARE JOURNALIST IN THE MIDWEST AND PARTICULARLY IN CHICAGO AND DIFFERENT PLACES.

BUT YOU START PUTTING ROOTS DOWN IN VERMONT.

HOW DID YOU CONNECT TO VERMONT AND DECIDE TO STAY HERE?

>> AGAIN ONE OF THESE HAPPEN STANCES WHERE MY WIFE AND I CAME TO OR MY WIFE TO BE CAME TO VISIT SOME FRIENDS OF HER PARENTS IN THE ST.

JOHNSBURY AREA AND SO WE GOT INTO THIS, I DON'T KNOW, I THINK WELL, THIS WOULD BE A NICE PLACE TO LIVE AND THEN I THOUGHT, WELL, IT MIGHT BE A NICE PLACE TO LIVE AND WRITE.

AND SO WE ENDED UP MOVING HERE IN '71.

AND THEN I WAS DOING FELLOWSHIPS IN CHICAGO AND WEST VIRGINIA AND THEN FOUND OUT OR DECIDED THAT I REALLY WASN'T GOING TO SIT ON THE TOP OF THE MOUNTAIN AND JUST WRITE AND SO THEN I STARTED WORKING GOING BACK TO NEWSPAPERS AND I WORKED FOR A NEWSPAPER IN NEW HAMPSHIRE AND THEN I WENT OUT TO MICHIGAN TO WORK FOR A NEWSPAPER AND CAME BACK TO THE FREE PRESS.

SO JOURNALISM CALLED ME BACK TO THAT AND WE MOVED TO BURLINGTON IN '77 AND HAVE BEEN HERE EVER SINCE.

>> IN KIND OF ALSO IN THE MIDST OF THIS YOU WROTE A BOOK CALLED WORKING TOGETHER AND IT WAS AT THE HEIGHT OF QUALITY CIRCLES AND PEOPLE LOOKING AT CORPORATIONS AND HAVING A NEW WAY OF MANAGING BUSINESS AND THIS REALLY CAME OUT AS KIND OF THE GROWTH OF ALL OF THAT.

DID THIS BOOK KIND OF MAKE YOU THINK I NEVER WILL DO BUSINESS OR WHAT IT YOU TAKE AWAY FROM WRITEING THAT BOOK?

>> WELL, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THINK OF SO MUCH OF MY LIFE IS JUST TRYING TO -- IS FINDING LUCKY INTERSECTIONS AND THIS WAS ANOTHER IT WASN'T BECAUSE IT WAS HARVARD BUT IT WAS SOMEONE I MET AT HARVARD WHO WAS WORKING ON THESE.

HE WAS TEACHING ABOUT QUALITY WORK LIFE STUFF AT UNIVERSITY OF MASSACHUSETTS.

AND SO WE STARTED TALKING ONE FALL, '79 I THINK, I SAID YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE OUGHT TO TRY TO DO A BOOK ON THIS WHOLE SUBJECT BECAUSE THERE WAS A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON IN VERMONT.

ASBESTOS HAD BEEN BOUGHT BY ITS EMPLOYEES, IT WAS LOCAL EFFORTS TO HAVE MORE EMPLOYEE CONTROL OVER BUSINESSES.

AND SO WE MADE A PROPOSAL AND WENT BACK TO KANOPF AND THEY LIKED THE IDEA SO WE SPENT PROBABLY THE NEXT THREE AND A HALF YEARS TRAVEL AROUND AND WENT TO EUROPE TO LOOK AT -- WE WENT TO GERMANY AND WENT TO SWEDE TON LOOK AT SOME OF THEIR EXPERIMENTS AND WE WENT AROUND THE VARIOUS PARTS OF THE COUNTRY AND THEN PUT THIS BOOK TOGETHER TO LOOK AT A NUMBER OF THE EFFORTS TO EMPOWER WORKERS MORE AND THEY RANGED FROM FULL WORKER OWNERSHIP TO QUALITY OF GENERALE EFFORTS AT GENERAL MOTORS.

>> ALMOST A HOW TO MANUAL.

>> A LITTLE BIT.

WE DIDN'T -- ONE SIZE DIDN'T FIT ALL ON THIS SO WE GAVE A LOT OF CASE STUDIES AND MADE SOME VERY TENTATIVE CONCLUSIONS ABOUT HOW THIS COULD BE DONE.

>> RIGHT.

THEN YOUR NEXT FOUR BOOKS ARE COWRITTEN WITH UVM PROFESSOR FRANK BRYAN.

UVM STILL CLAIMS THAT REAL, VERMONTERS DON'T MILK GOATS IS THE BEST SELLING HUMOR BOOK OF ALL TIME AND YOU POKE A LOT OF FUN AT VERMONT AND FLOOD LANDERS WHICH YOU ARE.

SO ARE -- FLATLANDERS WHICH YOU ARE.

WHAT IRKS YOU MOST ABOUT THOSE FROM AWAY?

>> I DON'T KNOW IF I -- I DON'T KNOW.

I THINK SINCE I'M FROM AWAY I HAVE -- I GUESS I HAVE BECOME MUCH MORE TOLERANT BECAUSE I'M REALLY NOT A REAL, VERMONTER SO IF I'M GOING TO SAY WHAT IS MY COMPLAINT ABOUT MYSELF.

AND I DON'T -- WE WROTE THOSE WITH TONGUE IN CHEEK.

IF WE WOULD HAVE BEEN TERRIBLY SERIOUS I DON'T THINK THEY WOULD HAVE HAD THE HUMOR.

ARE DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS ONE THING THAT I WOULD LOOK AT AND SAY LOOK, HERE IS THE FLATLANDERS ARE CAUSING THIS PROBLEM AND, YOU KNOW.

>> RIGHT.

>> WHAT IS THE BUMMER STICKER, YOU KNOW, WELCOME TO VERMONT, NOW GO HOME.

>> RIGHT.

>> ONE THING THAT PEOPLE CLAIM TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT IS THAT THEY WOULD COME IN HERE AND START RUNNING THE PLACE AND RUNNING FOR THE LEGISLATURE AND ALL WHICH YOU DID.

-- AND ACTUALLY, WHAT WAS YOUR IMPULSE TO RUN FOR THE LEGISLATURE, THIS IS IN '85?

>> WELL, I THINK IT GREW OUT OF BEING A JOURNALIST AND SAYING WELL, HERE I HAVE BEEN WRITING WITH WHAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE DOING, WHAT IS IT LIKE ON THE INSIDE, SHOULDN'T I SEE SOME OF THESE AND SINCE WE HAD BEEN POKING FUN AT SOME OF THESE POLITICIANS AND THESE BOOKS OF FRANK'S AND MINE, I THOUGHT WELL, MAYBE I SHOULD BE A TARGET, TOO.

AND, OF COURSE, YOU DON'T KNOW IF YOU GOING TO WIN, I MEAN BUT YOU GOT TO TRY IT AND IF YOU GOING TO BE PART OF A DEMOCRACY YOU SHOULD RUN FOR SOMETHING SERIOUS SO I SAID WELL, OKAY AND HERE I HAVE GOT SOME NOTORIETY FROM THE BOOK SO I PUT THAT ON MY BROCHURE AS WELL AS THE OTHER THINGS AND PUT OUR FIRST CHILD IN A BACK PACK AND WENT WALKING ALL AROUND THE SOUTH END OF BURLINGTON WHICH WAS MY DISTRICT SO I COULD WALK EVERYWHERE AND THEN I WON.

>> NOW, YOU HAVE TO DO IT.

>> AND ACTUALLY THE FIRST YEAR IN THE LEGISLATURE TOOK ITS TOLL.

>> YEAH.

>> AND YOU LOST A LOT OF WEIGHT.

YOU SOON WITHIN MONTHS OF ADJOURNMENT YOU HAD A HEART ATTACK AND YOU WERE JUST IN YOUR 40s.

>> 44.

>> HOW DID YOU FIGURE OUT HOW TO MANAGE YOUR HEALTH, THE RESPONSIBILITY OF LEGISLATING AND BACK TO YOUR MOM THIS TAKING ON OF THE WORLD'S WOES?

>> WELL, MY WIFE KEPT SAYING YOU GOT TO SLOW DOWN.

BUT I DID GO BACK TO RUNNING, I REALLY LIKE THAT.

AND I -- AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WHERE I WAS NOT A GOOD POLITICIAN WHY THREE TERMS WAS LONG ENOUGH IS I DO HAVE THIN SKIN AND I -- IT WAS -- IT WAS HARDER FOR ME I THINK THAN FOR OTHERS NOT BECAUSE I WAS -- HAD ANY GREAT VIEWS ON THINGS BUT I JUST -- I NEEDED TO HAVE A THICKER SKIN TO DO THE LOGROLLING AND BAR GAINING THAT IS NECESSARY IN -- BARGAINING NECESSARY IN THAT ENVIRONMENT.

MY LAST TERM I WENT ON TO THE EDUCATION COMMITTEE AND I ALSO BECAME VICE CHAIR OF THE BUY CENTENNIAL COMMITTEE SO I PUT A LOT OF MY EFFORTS INTO THAT AND NOT LESS INTO THE LEGISLATURE.

AND THEN BY THE END OF THAT I DEE DEE SIDED I WANTED TO GO GET A TEACHING CERTIFICATE AND START TEACHING SCHOOL.

>> THAT IS AN INTERESTING DECISION.

YOU DIE SIDED TO TEACH.

YOU HAVE A MASTERS AND YOU PROBABLY COULD HAVE TAUGHT COLLEGE BUT GO BACK TO GET YOUR CERTIFICATE TO TEACH HIGH SCHOOL.

WHY NO TO COLLEGE AND, YES, TO HIGH SCHOOL?

>> IF YOU ARE GOING TO TEACH COLLEGE YOU PROBABLY REALLY NEED A PHD AND SECONDLY I THINK IN COLLEGE YOU ARE THERE TO LECTURE AND IN HIGH SCHOOL YOU ARE THERE TO ENGAGE STUDENTS AND THEY HAVE GOT AN ATTENTION SPAN OF ABOUT 15 MINUTES SO YOUR JOB IS TO KEEP THIS CLASS GOING AND THAT WAS FAR MORE EXCITING TO ME.

I MEAN IT IS LIKE DOING LEGAL DRUGS IS GETTING KIDS TO REALIZE THAT THEY GOT THESE BRAINS AND THEY CAN BE USING THEM.

BUT YOU DON'T DO THAT BYSTANDING IN A PULLPIT OR STANDING IN FRONT OF A LECTURE HALL AND DELIVERING.

I FOUND THAT THE TO AND FRO OF HIGH SCHOOL TEACHING WAS FAR MORE ENGAGING THAN STANDING IN A LECTURE HALL.

>> CLEARLY YOU FOUND ONE OF YOUR GREAT PLACES.

AND HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS, ARE THEY PREPARED FOR THE WORLD THAT WE ARE LEAVING FOR THEM?

>> GOSH.

WELL, WORLD IS -- AS OPPENHEIMER SAID THE WORLD IS CHANGING AS WE STAND ON IT AND JUST THE DIFFERENCE IN AMERICA'S FOREIGN POLICY PROBLEMS FROM THE TIME I FIRST TAUGHT THAT COURSE EIGHT YEARS AGO IT IS JUST -- IT IS REALLY THEY HAVE GOT AN AWESOME, I MEAN WE AS A COUNTRY HAVE AN AWESOME LIST OF THINGS WE GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT ARE COMING TOGETHER AND I WOULDN'T WANT TO BE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT AND PROMISEING THAT I'M GOING TO SORT THIS OUT.

I THINK IT IS -- SO ARE THE KIDS PREPARED?

>> I MEAN THE NEWEST GENERATION IS KIND OF READY TO TAKE ON THE WORLD MORE THAN SOME -- >> I GAVE A LITTLE TALK TO OR SAT IN ON A SEMINAR AT UVM WITH HALF A DOZEN STUDENTS AND I THOUGHT THAT THEIR OUTLOOK WAS CLEAR EYED AND THEY WERE LOOKING AT DOING GOOD WORKS BUT IT WAS HOW TO MIX GOOD WORKS WITH STUFF FOR THEMSELVES AND MAKING A LIVING AND THEY WEREN'T JUST FOCUSED ON GETTING A LAW KEG DEGREE OR USINESS DEGREE NOR WERE THEY JUST FOCUSED ON GOING AND DIGGING WELLS IN AFRICA THAT THEY WERE TRYING TO MIX AN INTELLIGENCE AND ENGAGEMENT WITH THE WORLD THAT I THOUGHT MADE A LOT OF SENSE.

>> YOUR GRADUATION SPEECH LAST YEAR WAS ABOUT FAILURES.

THAT IS A TWIST.

>> YEAH.

WELL, I THINK IT -- I WAS ASKED TO GIVE A GRADUATION SPEECH AT MY HIGH SCHOOL IN TEXAS AND SO I THOUGHT WELL WHAT AM I GOING TO SAY THAT HASN'T BEEN SAID?

I MEAN IF EVER THERE WAS A CLICHE IT IS THE GRADUATION SPEECH ABOUT COMMENCING YOUR LIFE.

SO I THOUGHT WELL WHAT IS AN ODD BALL WAY TO DO IT AND SO I PICKED FAILURE AND THEN I STARTED PLAYING AROUND WITH THAT IDEA AND THEN I TOLD THE KIDS THAT I HAD THE FIRST THREE PROFESSIONAL EFFORTS OF MY LIFE ENDED IN FAILURE AND I WAS PROBABLY BETTER FOR IT AND A NICE LINE IN WHICH SHE SAYS THERE IS THE GREATEST ADVANTAGE IN MAKING A FEW MISTAKES EARLY IN LIFE AND ALSO IT IS TRUE, YOU LEARN MORE FROM YOUR MISTAKES OR YOUR FAILURES THAN FROM THE SUCCESSES.

IT IS PAINFUL BUT YOUR SUCCESSES YOU THINK THAT YOU ARE -- IT IS AUTOMATIC BUT THE FAILURES YOU HAVE TO STOP AND LOOK AT THEM AND HOW ARE YOU GOING TO LOOK AT THEM.

SO I GOT FOUND QUOTES FROM MARK TWAIN AND, OH, A NUMBER OF OTHER PEOPLE AND IT -- NICELY IT RESONATED WITH BOTH ADULTS AND WITH THE KIDS.

PERHAPS MORE WITH THE ADULTS, I DON'T KNOW.

>> WHO KNOWS.

BUT IT WILL ALL COME BACK FOR THE KIDS I'M SURE.

YOU DON'T CHOOSE SIMPLE HOBBIES.

WE WILL MOVE FROM CAREER TO HOBBIES.

BEER MAKING.

BEE KEEPING.

MARATHON RUNNING.

CHORAL SINGING IN THE CHURCH CHOIR.

NOT JUST FISHING BUT FLY FISHING.

HOW DO DO YOU BALANCE ALL OF THOSE WHILE RAISING A FAMILY AND HAVING A CAREER?

I WILL GET TO BEE KEEPING IN A MINUTE BECAUSE I'M SURE THERE ARE PEOPLE INTERESTED IN THE LATEST BOOK.

HOW DO YOU BALANCE?

>> I DON'T DO THEM ALL AT THE SAME TIME BUT I THINK THEY ARE ACTUALLY MORE THAN HOBBIES.

AND I THINK MAYBE THAT IS IN THAT WHAT I ENDED UP WRITING SEVERAL BOOKS ABOUT THEM IS IT IS ALMOST LIKE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE SAY THE NORMAL CAREER PEOPLE HAVE SIX CAREERS OR SEVEN CAREERS.

WELL, IF YOU COUNT THE BOOKS I MIGHT HAVE HAD TEN OR 12 YEARS BECAUSE THEY INVOLVE EXTENDED PERIODS OF TIME.

AND SO I COULDN'T SORT OF JUST GO OUT AND FISH.

I MEAN THERE HAD TO BE SOME CONCRETE RESULT FROM THAT.

AND I REMEMBER THINK, I LOOKED UP AT THE GOLDEN DOME AND SAID WHAT ARE THE SIMILARITIES BETWEEN POLITICS AND FISHING OTHER THAN LYING AND THEN I STARTED AND THEN I WENT DOWN AND SPENT A DAY AT THE AMERICAN MUSEUM OF FLY FISHING IN MANCHESTER AND STARTED TO LOOK THROUGH THEY HAD A SMALL COLLECTION OF PRESIDENTIAL FISHING AND I THOUGHT WELL, WHAT ABOUT THESE PRESIDENTS WHO FISHED.

SO THEN THE BOOK SORT OF GROWS OUT OF THE HOBBY AND I SPEND MORE TIME ON THE WEEK THAN I DO ACTUALLY FISHING AND I HAVE NEVER BEEN A GREAT FISHERMAN ANYWAY.

I LIKE TO HANG OUT WITH GOOD FISHERMEN BUT I'M NOT GOOD.

HOW CAN I TELL THE KIDS I CAN'T COME TO YOUR GAME BECAUSE I'M IN THE BASEMENT MAKING BEER.

HOW DO I TURN THAT INTO SOMETHING THAT IS RESPONSIBLE, WELL, I'M GOING TO WRITE A BOOK ON MAKING BEER.

THE BEES CAME OUT OF A HOBBY OF 25 YEARS.

>> BEES BESIEGED HAS BEEN VERY WELL RECEIVED.

YOU ARE THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE VERMONT BEE KEEPING ASSOCIATION AND BEES ARE ESSENTIAL TO POLLINATION.

NOT JUST FOR THE HONEY, OF COURSE.

THEY ARE ESSENTIAL FOR CROP POLLINATION AND THEY ARE IN TROUBLE.

WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW WITH THE BEES?

>> WELL, IT IS A MIXTURE OF THINGS.

THERE IS NO SILVER BULLET, THERE IS NO ONE CAUSE.

THE -- IT IS A -- THE BEES ARE REALLY UNDER A LOT OF STRESS FOR THE LAST 25 YEARS THEY HAVE BEEN AFFLICTED WITH SOME ASIAN MITES THAT STILL AFFLICT US ALL, NOT JUST PROFESSIONALS.

AND ALSO THE MOST OF THE BEES IN THE UNITED STATES ARE OWNED BY PROFESSIONAL BEE KEEPERS AND MOST OF THEM HAVE TO TRANSPORT THEIR BEES LANG DISTANCES IN ORDER TO RENT THE BEES FOR POLLINATION.

SO IN JANUARY AND FEBRUARY 50 OR 60% OF THE BEES OF THE UNITED STATES ARE IN CALIFORNIA POLYNATING ALMONDS.

WHEN YOU PUT THEM ON A SEMI TRAILER TRUCK AND TAKE THEM TWO OR THREE THOUSAND MILES AND PUT THEM INTO A PLACE AND FEED THEM ARTIFICIAL FOOD AND TAKE THEM OUT AND PUT THEM BACK ON THE TRUCKS AND TAKE THEM SOME WHERE ELSE AND GIVE THEM MORE ARTIFICIAL FOOD AND THEY ARE REALLY STRESSED.

THE BEES ARE MUCH WEAKENED LIKE OUR OWN IMMUNE SYSTEMS, NOT QUITE AIDS BUT IN THE SENSE IT IS THAT THE BEES.

>> MORE SUSCEPTIBLE TO THE MITES AND OTHER THINGS.

>> AND THE VIRUSES THAT THEY THEMSELVES CARRY AS WELL AS WHAT THE MITES ARE CARRYING.

SO THE BEES SO WHEN THIS LATEST FLURRY OF CCD THEY CALL IT, COLONY COLLAPSE DISORDER, THAT WAS THERE HAD BEEN SIX ORITE EIGHT OF THOSE THINGS IN A HUNDRED YEARS.

IT IS NOT SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

IT IS THE ACCUMULATION OF STRESS THAT FIRST WAS NOTICE IN THE 1890S.

AND SO I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THIS ONE CAN BE TIED TO A COUPLE OF VIRUSES BUT NEXT YEAR IT IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING ELSE THAT IS GOING TO BE AFFECTING THE BEES AND FORTUNATELY IN VERMONT BECAUSE WE DON'T MOVE OUR BEES WE LET THEM RECOVER IN THE WINTER TIME, WE ARE IN BETTER SHAPE AND THE STATE BEE INSPECTOR SAYS HE HAS SEEN NO EVIDENCE OF THIS INFLICTION HERE IN VERMONT.

>> OF THE COLONY COLLAPSE DISORDER.

>> AND FURTHER NORTH SEEMS TO BE BETTER.

>> IT ISN'T SO MUCH NORTH.

IT IS WHETHER OR NOT YOU MOVE YOUR BEES IN THE WINTER TIME.

>> ARE BEES A CANARY IN THE COAL MINE OF ADDITIVES AND POLLUTION AND ADDITIVES OR IS THIS CYCLICLAL?

I THINK IT IS BOTH.

DEPENDS ON HOW ALARMIST YOU WANT TO BE.

THE BEES ARE NOT NATIVE TO THIS THEM MISS FEAR.

THEY WERE BROUGHT BY THE COLONADES IN THE 17th CENTURY AND THE BEE KEEPING ON AN INDUSTRIAL SCALE HAS BECOME ANOTHER MONOCULTURE LIKE THE MANY OF THE FOOD CROPS AND HERE YOU HAVE HALF THE BEES IN THE UNITED STATES BEING PAIRED WITH ALMOND GROWERS IN CALIFORNIA BECAUSE THAT IS THE ONLY WAY THESE GUYS CAN MAKE ENOUGH MONEY TO STAY IN BUSINESS.

>> RIGHT.

>> SO YOU COULD SAY WELL, ALL RIGHT, WE SHOULD DON'T THAT BUT THEN YOU ARE SAYING WELL, LET'S BEES, THE BIG GUYSECAUSE THEY ARE PAYING FOR INFRASTRUCTURE FOR EQUIPMENT THAT I DEPEND ON AS A HOBBYIST.

>> VERY COMPLICATED.

JUST A MINUTE LEFT.

WHAT BOOKS ARE COMING UP FOR THE FUTURE?

>> WELL, I HAVE A COUPLE OF PROJECTS I'M WORKING ON.

I'M SUPERSTITIOUS ABOUT TALKING ABOUT THEM BECAUSE ONCE I WAS DOING A BOOK ABOUT COALMINERS IN WEST VIRGINIA AND IT NEVER GOT PUBLISHED AND I ALWAYS -- I WAS -- I WAS EMBARRASSED TO HAVE TO TELL PEOPLE THIS AND SO I SAID WELL, I'M NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT A BOOK IN PRO PROGRESS UNTIL WE HAVE GOT A CONTRACT.

>> SO WE'LL KEEP YOUR EYES OPEN.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

>> THANKS, FRAN.

>> AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US ON "PROFILE."

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