
Biloxi Part 5
Season 2 Episode 205 | 26m 46sVideo has Closed Captions
diamond brooch, a Saltillo serape rug, a Henry Moore painting
In Biloxi we discover a Henry Moore painting, a diamond brooch, a Saltillo serape rug, a painting believed to have been done by Gulf Coast artist Joe Moran, along with other treasures.
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Biloxi Part 5
Season 2 Episode 205 | 26m 46sVideo has Closed Captions
In Biloxi we discover a Henry Moore painting, a diamond brooch, a Saltillo serape rug, a painting believed to have been done by Gulf Coast artist Joe Moran, along with other treasures.
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Learn Moreabout PBS online sponsorship♪♪ >> Welcome to Mississippi Antique Showcase.
In this episode, we're in Biloxi, Mississippi, with our expert appraisers to look at your rare finds, family heirlooms and your quirky collectibles.
We'll see what we can learn about these unique treasures and of course, see what they might be worth.
>> Oh, it's hiding.
Okay.
>> Well, what do you have for us today?
>> Well, I have a Henry Moore painting that my husband acquired about 30 years ago.
>> Okay.
Have you researched him yourself to know what all he's done?
>> Yes, we have.
Since he got the painting, we have researched and contacted the Henry Moore Foundation in Europe.
And they themselves don't do appraisals on work they don't have in their catalog.
But they did send us a sketch of a Henry Moore that is very, very similar.
So we kind of just based it on that.
We really believe that this is an original Henry Moore.
I do, too.
If you looked, and if you did any research, you'll see that he never repeated anything.
He was also sculptor.
And he sold a lot of sculpture in all of the major auction houses.
They've sold paintings and sculptures all over the world and some are seem to be worth more than others.
He dated each of them and this one is signed "Moore 50" so that's, we are assuming that that's 1950.
I look back and, look, I've seen them sell, you know, at some of the auction houses, but I've never seen one exactly like this.
I would say this one...
I say this one, at auctions here, it might bring more, you know, if you went to Europe with it.
But here, I would say this one would be $15,000 to $20,000.
>> Oh mercy.
>> Yeah.
Well, it's a great piece.
And things like this just increase in value.
I think holding on to it a little while longer, it would be worthwhile.
>> We certainly will.
>> Laura, thank you so much for coming today and welcome to MPB's Antique Showcase.
Tell me a little bit about the item you brought in today.
>> This was acquired by my mother-in-law.
She got it at an estate sale in Eufaula, Alabama, and gave it to me.
And so when I looked at it and saw that it was a first edition, I decided we needed to put it up somewhere safe until we had it looked at.
And so she's had it about a year and a half.
>> Okay, so it's been pretty recent?
>> Yes.
I will tell you, just for preservation, it's always good to put it, you know, out of the where the oxygen can take it and keep wearing on the pages.
But considering its age, which I'm going to talk about a minute, it's in pretty good condition.
There's some minor binding issues there, but that's to be expected from a book from the late 18th century.
So it's nice to see a book this old.
So generally when you're talking about a first edition book, you're talking about for the first time that's been printed.
But in this context, it's actually describing the first time that was printed in this particular place by these particular authors.
So one of the good things about it is it's still pretty good condition.
There's no indication of any ownership abuse in some pen writings here on the interior of the book, but it's nothing that is legible to see who owned it.
>> Mm hmm.
>> But the good thing about it is we can probably, now that I've seen it in person, date the age.
Like I said, it's probably late 18th century or early 19th century.
And so for a book that old, it's done pretty well.
How much do you think it may be worth?
>> I have no idea.
No idea.
She said, you know, "If it's worth $1,000, I want it back."
>> Well I can't blame her.
I don't know.
Do you know how much she purchased it at the estate sale?
>> It was actually given to her.
She was there looking for paperback books and they said, "Well, you know, we don't have any paperbacks left, but you're welcome to take these."
And so she got it for free, basically.
>> Sure, well, and you can definitely tell who actually published it.
It is clear from the very front page it was definitely London-based.
The Bostoninan in me wants to say "Wooster," but it's Worcestershire in England.
And so you can pinpoint the region.
I think with a little bit more research and study, you can probably pinpoint exactly where and who these individuals are that did it.
But I will tell you, I did my research and we didn't really pinpoint anything on that front.
But just in generally, given the historical nature of the book, The Psalms of David, I've seen some that were published in 1786 recently in an auction in 2018 that went for over $2,000.
And there was a set in that regard.
There was three.
But in this case, because of its age, you'd probably be looking anywhere, from a particular collector, of $500 to $800.
So it does have some value.
If given free, that's a good return of investment, I would say.
So I would definitely take care of it because of that binding some of that issue and the oxidation that have already occurred.
But it really is a lovely piece, and given you can still read it.
That's the best thing is that you can use it.
But thank you so much for bringing this in.
We appreciate it.
>> Thank you.
What a delight.
Thank you so much.
>> Hello.
I could tell when you walked up you like jewelry, and you appreciate jewelry, and that's a wonderful thing.
You've got pretty cameos all over your jacket, and your rings, and tell me about what you brought in today, could be a bracelet.
>> Well, I got this.
I love unique.
I love it.
To me, it reminds me of art deco.
So I kind of liked it because of that.
I love unique stuff.
>> Right.
>> So I got it, and I paid more than I normally would for a piece of jewelry, and I came to see if you can tell me anything about it.
And that it's worth more than what I paid for it, hopefully.
>> Okay.
Sure.
Well, you're really close on the art deco.
It's probably from the 1920s.
It is a pin, of course.
And, you know, every elegant woman had a pin along with her rings and her necklaces and things like that to adorn whatever she was wearing on public outings.
And this one's really pretty because it's elongated and it has two really pretty sapphires on either end.
It has got a gorgeous diamond on the inside, too.
It's 18 karat.
I did check on the back, which is a white gold, 18 karat white gold.
It's not platinum, unfortunately, and it doesn't have a Tiffany mark, but it still has quite a bit of value.
It is really... at this point in time called estate jewelry, because these things were custom-made and done for individuals a lot of times.
So you're probably not going to find another one like it ever.
So that makes it very unique.
I have seen people also do things with them, like make them into necklaces.
You could do it either horizontally or vertically, which is always pretty because you don't want to always use a pin.
So there's a lot of versatility to it.
Would you share how much you did pay for?
>> $260.
>> Oh, okay.
Well, you did really, really well.
It's worth a lot more than that.
The only thing I can't do here, because it was sort of short notice on this appraisal, is I can't weigh it to find out what the diamond weight would be.
You need a jeweler or a gemologist to do that because diamonds are either flat and big or they're deep and big or whatever.
So that carries into what the weight would be, and that is part of the value.
And then the two sapphires have weight also, and they have some value, too.
And sapphires are rare.
They're really, really expensive, too.
So you said you pay $260?
Yeah, I think it's probably closer in value to about $850 or $900 at the lower end.
And as I said, it's unique, so, you know, you probably have the only one that was ever made like this, probably, for somebody.
Jewelry sometimes fluctuates up and down.
It's hard to say.
It's like a BMW you drive off thelot.
Your wedding band's not worth as much as it was when you first got it.
However, this is antique and it's not being reproduced again.
It's not mass produced, so it's probably going to appreciate in value.
So hang onto it and probably in a couple of more years it can be worth a lot more than that.
>> Okay, >> I'm glad you brought it in.
>> Thank you.
>> You're so welcome >> We're here with James and Shirley Shavers, Where are y'all from?
>> Canton, Mississippi.
>> Canton, okay!
You drove a long way down here.
>> We did, we did.
It was fine.
>> Okay, good.
Well you have a.
Real interesting item and one of my.
Favorites of all time, Americana.
It's something to do with.
Prince Albert.
Tell us what it is and what you learned about it.
>> Well, I've learned about Prince Albert.
This is the first cigarette I smoked.
I hope kids aren't watching.
That was about 12 years old.
And my cousin, he was a couple years older than me.
He smoked at Prince Albert and he rolled me one, >> Rolled one with the rolling papers >> I smoked 30 years after that.
But I decided to quit in 2000.
>> Is this an advertising poster or what is it?
>> Yeah, that's it was built for at the beginning.
>> Okay.
>> It was for a promotion of Prince Albert.
>> How did you acquire it?
>> We were at an auction in Canton.
Antique auction, yeah, and we got it there.
I paid $100 for it, and they actually said it's worth between $500 and $800.
>> Wow.
Great investment.
>> Great investment.
They suggest that we, you know, frame it so that it prevents some of the warping.
But we're going to keep it.
>> And 20 years later, it's like interest.
>> Yeah.
>> If we frame and keep it, it might be worth a million dollars.
>> Bill: You never know.
Great investment.
Obviously, the two of you enjoy, I call it junking, but you enjoy antique stores and collecting.
>> Yes, we do.
Yes, we do.
I love it.
>> Well, did you enjoy the Showcase, coming today?
>> I did, yeah.
We're excited about it.
>> Good.
Yeah, good.
Well, thank you all so much for coming.
>> Thank you.
>> Hello, Benny.
>> Hello.
>> You've brought us a nice giclee, which is an oil on canvas that has been applied.
It's actually a reprint.
It's not an original.
And when we get to the end, we'll show you on the back where I came up with that decision.
The artist is Keane and she did girls and she did animals.
And this is a typical one that she did.
I found a good many of them online.
Some of them were different colors.
Some of them were on different views of this girl.
But most of them were the same type of thing.
They always did the crying.
I don't know, I think it was called "Lonesome Pet" or something like that.
Anyway, I would guesstimate, because it's a giclee, I would guesstimate it between $400 to $900.
It's a pretty wide range.
But if you're going to insure it, it's going to be around the $900.
If you're going to sell it, it's going to be much less, okay?
>> Yes, sir.
>> But it is a nice painting.
It's got a lot of color.
The original art that I did look up was anywhere between $4,000 to $6,000.
So if you had an original, we'd be sitting pretty.
Where did you acquire it?
>> I acquired it online, in an auction.
>> Okay.
All right.
What did you pay for it?
>> About $300.
>> Yeah.
So you didn't do bad.
>> No, no, I don't think so.
I enjoy it.
>> Yeah, right.
Does it look like any of your kids?
>> Nope.
(laughing) And I have a dog.
>> Okay, well, thank you for bringing it.
>> Thank you very much.
>> Susan, thank you so much for joining us at the MPB Antique Showcase.
Tell us a little bit about this item you brought.
>> Well, my husband and I bought a collection from a man from Fort Worth, Texas, and we also got serapes that came in the collection.
But this one was in the best condition.
And it's just really, really pretty.
>> Well, this is a really terrific item you brought in only because these type of rugs are typically referred to as the Saltillo rugs or the Diamond Rugs because of this iconic diamond shape that's generally in the middle.
They range from a host of vibrant colors like this, and they differ between about other seven or so types of Mexican rugs of this same period and that could be the weight or the type of weave.
In this case, you see this very tight weave and it's not loose.
And this particular rug, as we've talked about before, is a double rug that is two rugs that essentially were made and then combined together, as you see, right through the center of the rug.
And.
The specific name for this is combined with another element, a most common Mexican rug, which is a serape and that's noted by the horizontal stripes that go across.
So technically,we would say it was a Saltillo Serape rug and it probably dates about anywhere from 1890 to 1900.
So for that age, it's in terrific condition it's probably one of the best I've seen.
>> I wasn't sure that with them adding these two pieces if that was done correctly, or they did that often, or... >> It is common.
It is common.
A lot of times it can be a double or it can be a single.
I've seen most recently a Saltillo serape.
It was blue in nature about this size, not near as intricate, a lovely gold fringe that we have here.
And the condition probably with, you see these striated stripes right here.
It was much more repeated pattern, though, in about 2022 sell for about $60,000.
And so there's a lot of value that's placed on this specific type of rugs.
That one was a blue one.
This is a much more pronounced red and you also see the flower motifs running across what should traditionally be the serape.
>> That's what I love about that.
>> Exactly.
And so this actually is kind of a blend.
Saltillo is a blend between the diamond and the Tulsa patterns of these specific type of rugs, just because of the texture and weight of the actual garment.
Some people use them as bed linens, as we talked about before.
I think it would make a lovely wall ornament just because of the vibrant colors.
And so I would have to give an estimate for this rug, do you think you know about what it'd be worth?
>> I know what the man thought it was worth.
He was thinking it was worth about $3,000.
>> Okay.
Well, I'd probably give it a little more than that just because of the current market and the condition.
We do have a little staining, as you see on the front, which may detract to some individuals.
But the actual structural condition with the high-end fabric and the fringe, you don't usually see this type of gold.
>> Usually it's gone.
>> Right, it's all gone.
So I think conservatively, and I'm going to say conservatively, probably looking at $10,000 to $15,000 at an auction with the right specific auction and the right buyer.
But I've seen some that go much less, but they don't incorporate all of these elements that blend certain types of rugs.
And as I said, they're very popular if you get the right condition rug.
So I think you're looking at about $10,000 to $15,000, conservatively.
>> Wow!
>> And so I would say that's a little improvement.
>> Yeah, much.
I like that.
>> So I think, as I always say, you've got to get ROI, a good return on investment.
But I have a feeling that you may want to keep this one, though.
>> Oh, well, I don't know if I'll be able to, but we'll see.
>> Well, thank you so much for bringing it.
It's truly a lovely rug and we appreciate it.
>> I really appreciate it.
Thank you.
>> Hey, Miss Hull.
Where are you from today?
>> I live in D'Iberville.
>> Okay.
Okay.
You're right around the corner.
>> Yeah, right here on the Coast.
>> Well, we thank you so much for coming and joining us today at the Mississippi Antique Showcase.
One, I want to know all about this beautiful piece that you have in your hand.
Tell me a little bit about it.
>> Well, it was my grandmother's and there were two smaller stones that went with it, and I got those and then I got this.
And I don't know anything about it other than it weighs about nine point something.
And she had it for years before it was given to me.
>> Right.
Do you know if it's a certain-- is it a blue topaz?
>> It's a London blue topaz.
>> It's a blue topaz.
That is a lovely.
And you've had it for how long now since it was given to you?
>> I've had it probably 25 years.
>> Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
And what did you learn about it today?
What did the appraiser tell you about it?
>> Well, he said that it was very nice.
And that it was worth between $2,000 or $3,000.
>> Wow.
And it's just been in your possession the whole time.
>> It's too big and too heavy for my small frame.
>> Right, rightt.
>> I'm hoping to sell it.
I have a daughter who ill and this will help with some of those medical costs.
>> That would.
That would be an awesome thing to do.
That's a beautiful piece.
How much fun have you had today at the Mississippi Antiques Showcase?
>> I really enjoyed it.
>> Well, we've enjoyed having you.
And that blue topaz piece is just amazing.
So whenever you sell it, I hope whoever gets it keeps it in as good condition as you have.
>> I hope they set it in gold and wear it.
>> Susan, nice to meet you.
>> Nice to meet you.
>> What did you bring us today to evaluate?
>> Well, this is a picture that my aunt gave to my mother about 10 or 20 years ago that she had bought in Germany.
So she's from Germany and this is from Berchtesgaden area.
>> Okay.
And how do you know it's from the Berchtesgaden area?
>> Well, that's-- it's written on the back here.
>> Let's take a look at the back.
>> Okay.
And it looks like the artist signed it to his good friend, um, here, and then this is where it's from, from Berchtesgaden.
>> So he signed it here to his good friend and then he "placed" it.
In the business, we call it "placed."
So he "placed" it up here and then we've got, it looks like he resigned right there.
So let's go back and look at the front together for just a second.
>> Okay.
>> So we know where it is.
And this down here tells us when it is.
So he painted it in 1930... >> 1938.
>> Right.
Yes.
This is a lovely scene.
You know, you've got the the waterfall here.
And this appears to be oil on canvas board.
>> Oh, board.
Okay.
>> So it's a canvas board.
Unless we took it out and we found that the canvas was laid down to this board.
But I think it's pretty safe to say, without completely taking it out of the frame that we're looking at oil on canvas board, which is what gives us... You see these cross striations here right in there?
And now the artist was a pretty good artist.
You can see tight lines here, you know, pretty well skilled, but not necessarily a known artist as far as big auction records.
Or, you know, things you can see online.
So he titled here or he signed here rather R. Zipperer and on the back he gave us a hint.
It's Richard.
>> Richard, right.
>> Richard Zipperer.
>> Right.
>> So there are some Zipperers that have auction results.
He is not one of them.
>> Oh, okay.
Yeah.
>> We're able to evaluate this piece based on its age, based on, you know, where it was and what similar scenes are selling for from the same time period.
And even if it was unsigned, we can use those comps.
Now, he did sign it.
I think that we would expect to see an auction listing somewhere in the ballpark of $250 to $450.
>> Okay.
Well thank you.
I appreciate that.
>> Absolutely.
Thank you for bringing it down.
>> Jimmy Headrick, who is from Slidell.
>> Slidell, Louisiana.
But born in Jackson, Mississippi.
And my family grew up in Smith County, Mississippi, in Raleigh.
>> Raleigh, know it well.
And you have a beautiful piece.
>> It's a family heirloom.
And my sister Julie, who lives in Jackson, wanted me to come here and kind of get an idea.
And the family lore is that a person in the family gave it to a doctor as payment for a baby being born.
So this goes to Adam.
So 1830 to 1860.
So it's just a family heirloom.
>> And did you find out anything about the history of the item?
>> It's just handmade.
A lot of them were made.
It's nothing.
There's no markings on it.
But one marking that's on here, which is kind of unique, you can tell it was handmade.
This was before the glaze went on it.
You see the fingerprints?
>> Ha, I see them!
>> So it's kind of neat.
>> That is cool.
And I wish-- I'd love to have been in the house when this was first presented, and to know the history of it all.
And that's what I love about history.
But you can see the markings.
These were all hand done and glazed afterwards.
>> And do you display it in your home?
>> We do, yes.
It's, like I said, it's been in our family a long time.
And just the history of it, it's my mother, my father, and, you know.
But I'll make sure it gets back in the hands of my sister because I think it means more to her.
It means a lot to me, but I know it means a lot to her because I'm here today because of Julie.
>> She will appreciate your efforts.
>> Thank you, Bill.
>> Did did they get an appraisal on it?
>> Oh, I'm not going to the bank today.
>> Okay.
(laughing) >> $100, but is worth more than $100 to us.
>> You'd never sell it.
A family heirloom.
>> It was never brought here to make money.
It was brought here to find a little bit more history.
1850 before the Civil War.
It means a lot.
>> I hope your sister will be happy.
>> I do too, Bill, I really do.
Thank you.
>> Hello Margaret, how are you today?
>> Very well, thank you.
>> I'll tell you what, you bought this bright and large painting here to us today.
That's the sort of thing to make you feel good.
>> Yes.
>> It is kind of a feel-good piece of art.
How long have you had your painting?
>> So this actually belongs to my mother.
She had a Mexican restaurant in Ocean Springs in the 1990's, and people would bring her art that they just didn't think suited their taste or the size of their homes anymore for her to hang in her restaurant.
And so this was a gift to her from one of her friends.
>> Okay.
So that's the best way to get something is get a gift.
>> And it's a family favorite.
We all really love it.
>> Must have a large house to accommodate one that big.
>> We make sure we have lots of room for art on the walls.
>> Well, that's a way to do it.
You mentioned it's Joe Moran?
>> Correct.
>> What information would you have about it being Joe?
>> Well, we've always assumed it was Joe Moran from Biloxi, but we thought this was not really typical of his work.
Most of his work would be boat scenes and water scenes, but we just assumed that this was something he did that was a little bit different.
>> Yeah.
It's not typical of his work.
But being from Biloxi and being signed "Moran."
I'm going to say it probably is a Moran and something that he just did that was a little out of character for what he normally does.
It is a good looking piece.
It's in good shape, and I don't see any problems with the canvas.
There's a little bit of crackle to the painting there, but somebody that does restorations, that sort of thing they could help that a little bit.
Have you ever had it cleaned or anything like that?
>> No, I guess we've all been afraid to touch it because we don't know how to clean it without damaging it.
So probably something we need to look up for how to do.
>> Yeah, well, there's some folks out there that's all they do every day.
>> Okay.
>> And, I might, let them do it.
A lot of them, it's more reasonable than you would think to get somebody that knows what they're doing.
But, you know, nice looking painting, it's not normally what he does, the ships and that sort of thing.
But I think in today's market, it's probably somewhere between $1,5000 and $2,500.
>> Oh, how exciting!
>> Somewhere in that area.
>> It cheers us up.
It sits in our breakfast nook right there over the table.
So it's just a very happy way to start your day.
>> It is.
It's really bright.
That'll brighten you up, and get you going.
>> Yeah.
Well, thank you.
Thank you so much.
>> Appreciate you bringing it out.
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