>> COMING UP NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON: WE'LL HEAR FROM LOCAL CATHOLIC LEADERS ON THE DEATH OF POPE FRANCIS... ALSO TONIGHT, THE LATEST ON THE SUPREME COURT DECIDING TO HEAR ARGUMENTS OVER PRESIDENT TRUMP'S ORDER TO END BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP... AND, A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER SUES THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION OVER TARIFFS.

THOSE STORIES AND MORE NEXT, ON ARIZONA HORIZON.

>> GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO ARIZONA HORIZON.

I'M TED SIMONS.

POPE FRANCIS DIED THIS MORNING AT THE AGE OF 88.

THE FIRST LATIN AMERICAN PONTIFF IN NEARLY 1300 YEARS DIED ON THIS MORNING AFTER EASTER.

HE DIED OF A STROKE, ACCORDING TO THE VATICAN.

CATHOLICS AROUND THE GLOBE AND WORLD LEADERS REMEMBERED THE TEACHINGS AND THE LEGACY OF A PONTIFF, WHO WORKED TO MODERNIZE THE CHURCH, WHILE SPEAKING OUT FOR MIGRANTS AND THE MARGINALIZED.

AMONG THE MANY OBSERVANCES, A ROSARY PRAYER WAS HELD FOR THE LATE PONTIFF AT ST. PETER'S SQUARE IN VATICAN CITY.

AND IN LATIN AMERICA, PEOPLE GATHERED AT THE BASILICA DE GUADALUPE IN MEXICO CITY IN THE AFTERMATH OF THE POPE'S DEATH.

INDEED, IN ARGENTINA, WHERE THE POPE BEGAN HIS PRIESTLY DUTIES VISITORS AND RESIDENTS OF BUENOS AIRES REMEMBERED POPE FRANCIS.

>>> JUST DID EVERYTHING FOR THE POOR, FOR THE NEEDY, AND IT WAS NEVER ABOUT HIM AS A LEADER.

HE DID AN AMAZING JOB OF LEADING THE CHURCH FOR OTHERS.

>> HE WAS REALLY OPEN TO EVERYBODY.

HE WAS -- HE ALWAYS HAD A GOOD WORD FOR EVERY PERSON.

>> HE MADE CHURCH MORE INCLUSIVE, AS WELL, LIKE FOR EVERYONE, AND SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WILL KEEP GOING ON ALSO WITH THE NEXT POPE.

>> PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS AMONG WORLD LEADERS REACTING TO THE POPE'S DEATH.

THE PRESIDENT POSTED, QUOTE, REST IN PEACE, POPE FRANCIS, MAY GOD BLESS HIM AND ALL WHO LOVED HIM.

THE PRESIDENT SAID HE AND THE FIRST LADY WILL ATTEND THE POPE'S FUNERAL.

AS FOR A SUCCESSOR, AN ILLINOIS BISHOP HAD THIS OBSERVATION REGARDING ANY REPORTED FRONTRUNNERS.

>> IT'S ALWAYS HARD TO PREDICT WHO'S THE NEXT POPE GOING TO BE BECAUSE THE FRONTRUNNERS, IT'S JUST YOU GO IN A POPE AND GO OUT A CARDINAL IS THE SAYING.

>> FOR LOCAL REACTION TO THE LEGACY OF POPE FRANCIS AND HIS IMPACT ON THE CHURCH AND SOCIETY, WE WELCOME FATHER JOHN R MURR, WHO SERVED AS THE GENERAL AND MODERATOR OF THE CURIA FOR THE DIOCESE OF PHOENIX, AND ALSO WITH US U.S. AUXILLARY BISHOP.

FROM THE PHOENIX DIOCESE.

YOU KNOW, IT'S A DAY TO REMEMBER AND CELEBRATE, BISHOP, I'M GOING TO START WITH YOU, THOUGHTS ON THE PASSING OF THE POPE.

>> I'M NOT SURPRISED, I'M NOT SURPRISED.

DURING THE FIVE WEEKS THAT HE WAS IN THE HOSPITAL, REALLY, ALMOST -- WELL, FOR CRITICAL CONDITION, AND THEN THANKS BE TO GOD, WE WERE PRAYING HARD, PRAYING HARD, PRAYING HARD, AND HE WAS RELEASED, AND WE WERE PRAYING HARD FOR I HAD TOTAL AND COMPLETE RECOVERY.

BUT YOU KNOW, HE JUST SEEMED TO BE SO WEAK.

I'M JUST NOT SURPRISED THAT THE LORD HAD MERCY AND TOOK HIM HOME.

>> YEAH.

IT FEELS LIKE A SURPRISE BUT IT REALLY WASN'T, WAS IT?

>> WELL, I MEAN, HE'S 88 YEARS OLD, JUST LIKE WITH ANY PERSON, YOU LOVE, THE CATHOLICS CALL HIM THE HOLY FATHER.

SO WE SEE HIM AS KIND OF JUST A BELOVED MEMBER OF OUR SPIRITUAL FAMILY.

BUT IT'S STILL A SHOCK.

A LOT OF GRIEF AND SADNESS.

WE'RE OFTEN TRYING TO SAY, OKAY, NOW IT'S TIME TO REALLY CELEBRATE THE GIFT THIS MAN WAS TO THE CHURCH AND REALLY TO THE WHOLE WORLD BUT STILL A LOT OF SHOCK AND DISBELIEF AND SADNESS.

>> FOR MORE ON THAT, WHO WAS POPE FRANCIS?

>> WELL, I'LL TELL YA, I WAS THERE IN ROME WHEN THE ELECTION -- WHEN HE WAS ELECTED.

I REMEMBER SITTING DOWN AT ST. PETERS SQUARE, AND WE'RE WATCHING THE CARDINALS COME, IN IT WAS AN ARGENTINIAN POPE SITTING NEXT TO ME, AND WE WERE WATCHING THE CARDINALS, AND THIS MAN CAME IN AND HE SAID THAT'S OUR POPE FROM ARGENTINA BUT HE'LL NEVER BE ELECTED POPE, BECAUSE HE'S TOO OLD, HE'S A JETS WITNESSES, AND SPENDS -- JESUITS AND HE SPENDS TOO MUCH TIME FOCUSING ON THE POOR.

HE WAS A MAN WHO LOVED THE POOR AND SAW THAT AS ABSOLUTE ESSENTIAL TO WHO WE ARE AS THE CHURCH AND TO LOVE THE POOR IS REALLY TO BRING THE LOVE OF GOD TO THE WORLD IN A VERY POWERFUL WAY, HE SAID.

>> WHEN YOU THINK OF THE POPE, BISHOP, WHAT KIND OF MAN WAS HE?

>> FATHER AND I WERE VERY, VERY BLESSED TO MEET WITH THE HOLY FATHER.

AND I'VE BEEN PART OF A MOVEMENT KNOWN AS JOHN 17.

BECAUSE OF THE SCRIPTURE, THAT SAYS, JESUS SAYS FATHER, MAY THEY BE ONE.

AND SO THE MOVEMENT JOHN 17 IS A GROUP OF CATHOLIC AND EVANGELICAL, PENTECOSTAL MINISTERS WHO HAVE WORKED TIRELESSLY TO WORK TOGETHER FOR THE BUILDING-UP OF THE BODY OF CHRIST AND THE HOLY FATHER WAS VERY, VERY INSTRUMENTAL IN INVITING US TO ROME.

AND WE MET WITH THE HOLY FATHER FOR TWO HOURS EACH TIME.

>> WOW.

>> HE GIVES PRESIDENTS 15 MINUTES.

HE GAVE US TWO HOURS BECAUSE HE WAS SO INTERESTED IN TRYING TO PROMOTE THE UNITY OF THE ONE BODY OF CHRIST.

>> I WANT TO STICK WITH YOU ON THIS ONE, TOO, BECAUSE YOU KIND OF REFER TO THIS.

HOW DID HE RESHAPE THE CHURCH?

BECAUSE I'M HEARING MODERNIZATION, I'M HEARING SOME FOLKS, MAYBE NOT ALL THAT EXCITED ABOUT THE MODERN SAYING IT'S BUT EVERYONE SEEMS TO SAY THE POOR, THE MARGINALIZED, THAT WAS HIS FOCUS.

>> WHAT I BELIEVE IS THAT SOME OF HIS TEACHINGS OR HIS OPINIONS THAT HE GAVE ON THE AIRPLANE COMING HOME, GOING TO A PLACE, WELL, THEY WERE RAISING EYEBROWS, BUT BASICALLY I DO BELIEVE THAT HE REALLY TRIED LIVE JESUS CHRIST, AND AS WE SEE IN THE HOLY SCRIPTURE, JESUS WAS ALL ABOUT REACHING OUT TO THE POOR, THE CRIPPLED, THE BLIND, THE LAME, THE PROSTITUTES, I MEAN, HE WAS WIDE OPEN FOR THE WHOLE WORLD.

AND THAT WAS OUR HOLY FATHER, AND WE WERE VERY BLESSED TO HAVE KNOWN HIM.

>> AS FAR AS THE CHURCH IS CONCERNED AND MOVING THE CHURCH FORWARD AND RESHAPING THE CHURCH AND MOVING IN DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS.

WHAT WILL BE HIS LEGACY?

>> WELL, TIME WILL TELL.

I CAN TELL YOU JUST FOR MYSELF PERSONALLY AS A PRIEST, I THINK HE JUST CHANGED HOW I SAW MY ROLE, HOW I SEE MY ROLE AS A CATHOLIC PRIEST, WHICH, YOU KNOW, NOT TO -- YOU KNOW, SLINGING THUNDERBOLTS AT PEOPLE ABOUT WHAT'S WRONG IN OUR LIVES OR WHAT'S WRONG IN THE WORLD, BUT TO BE AN INSTRUMENT OF MERCY AND LOVE AND INCLUSION, AND THAT'S -- I'VE TAKEN THAT REALLY SERIOUSLY IN MY LIFE, AND I'M THE PASTOR OF BAT SILICA HERE IN DOWNTOWN PHOENIX, AND THE BASILICA IS A PAPAL DESIGNATION.

SO A BASILICA HAS A SPECIAL RESPONSIBILITY TO TAKE THE HOLY FATHER, THE POPE'S TEACHING AND BRING IT TO THE WORLD.

SO WE'VE TAKEN THAT REALLY SERIOUSLY.

AND I THINK A CHURCH THAT WALKS THE WALK AND NOT JUST TALKS THE TALK IS GOING TO BE A MAJOR PART OF HIS LEGACY.

AND WE'RE TRYING TO LIVE THAT HERE RIGHT IN DOWNTOWN PEEK.

>> BISHOP, THE IMPACT OF THE POPE, THE LATE POPE, ON LATIN AMERICAN CATHOLICS... >> AND ON ALL THE WORLD.

>> YES.

BUT I WANT TO FOCUS RIGHT NOW ON LATIN AMERICAN CATHOLICS, YES, BECAUSE THAT WAS A BIG -- 1300 YEARS, THAT'S A LONG TIME TO WAIT HERE.

AND HE WAS VERY MUCH -- PEOPLE IN ARGENTINA AND MEXICO, I MEAN, THEY'RE REALLY FEELING IT TODAY.

>> WELL, REMEMBER FOR US LATINS, FOR US HISPANICS, WE HAVE THE SENSE OF FAMILY, AND SO DOES THE HOLY FATHER, AND WE TRULY CALLED HIM "FATHER."

AND "PADRE," "SANG TOE," AND BECAME PART OF OUR FAMILY, WE LOVED HIM AND HE LOVED US, AS I SAID, AND THE WHOLE WORLD.

SO ANYBODY, ANYBODY.

HE WOULD TRAVEL HERE, WEE TRAVEL THERE, AND HE'D JUST BE OPEN.

THE FIRST PEOPLE HE'D GO VISIT WERE THOSE IN THE HOSPITAL AND THOSE IN THE PRISONS.

AND WHO ARE THEY THAT ARE IN THE PRISON AS SOON AS A LOT OF TIMES THE HISPANIC PEOPLE, AND SO FOR THAT REASON, FOR HIS KINDNESS, HIS MERCY, HIS OPENNESS, HIS SIMPLICITY, HE -- HE BECAME VERY, VERY DEAR TO ALL OF US HISPANICS.

>> FATHER, THE POLITICAL, THE SOCIAL LEANINGS, THESE SORTS OF THINGS THAT RAISED EYEBROWS AND MADE HEADLINES.

YOUR THOUGHTS.

>>> WELL, POPE FRANCIS LOVED TO POKE AMERICANS.

THAT WAS HIS TEMPERAMENT IN A WAKE HE HAD A GREAT SENSE OF HUMOR, BUT I THINK HE WAS VERY STRATEGIC.

HE THAT AMERICANS CAN SOMETIMES SEE OURSELVES AS THE CENTER OF THE WORLD, AND HE LIKED TO KIND OF POKE NEWS THAT, AND ALSO THAT WE LIKE TO KIND OF FILTER EVERYTHING HAPPENING IN THE WORLD THROUGH OUR AMERICAN LENS, KIND OF OUR AMERICAN POLITICAL PERSPECTIVE, AND I THINK HE WAS JUST TRYING TO HELP US GET OUT OF THAT, AT THE END OF THE DAY,'S PREACHER OF THE GOSPEL, A CATHOLIC BISHOP.

AND THAT WAS HIS MISSION.

SO I THINK HE REALLY GOT A KICK OUT OF BEING PROVOCATIVE IN THAT WAY.

AND I THINK HE HELPED A LOT OF PEOPLE REDISCOVER THAT CHRISTIANITY IS A PROVOCATIVE THING.

IT'S PROVOCATIVE TO SAY THAT GOD BECAME ONE OF US, HAS DIED AND ROSE FROM THE DEAD.

SO THAT KIND OF EDGE, I THINK HE WAS -- HE WASN'T AFRAID TO KIND OF POKE EVERYONE ACROSS THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM.

AND I THINK AS AMERICANS IT'S HEALTHY FOR US TO SEE THAT, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'RE NOT THE CENTER OF THE WORLD AND WE'RE REALLY A GLOBAL FAMILY, CRIST JEANT A GLOBAL REALITY.

I THINK THAT'S PART OF WHAT HE DID.

>> SPEAKING OF GLOBAL NOW, LATIN AMERICAN POPE HERE, THERE ARE BIG GAINS IN CATHOLICISM IN LAD INAMERICA, IN AFRICA AND IN OTHER PARTS OF THE WORLD.

THE NEXT PONTIFF, WHERE'S HE GONNA COME FROM?

>> THAT'S THE MILLION-DOLLAR QUESTION.

AND NOBODY KNOWS UNTIL WE SEE THE NEXT HOLY FATHER, BECAUSE EVEN THOSE THAT MEDIA SAY, OH, THIS ONE WILL BE IT, THIS ONE WILL BE IT.

THEY GO INTO THE CONCLAVE, AND IT'S ONLY GOD AND THE HOLY SPIRIT THAT ILLUMINATES THE DEERLDZ ALLOW THEM TO VOTE FOR THE NEXT HOLY FATHER.

>> IS IT IMPORTANT TO GET THOSE OTHER REGIONS OF THE WORLD THAT AREN'T -- DON'T THINK OF THEMSELVES AS NUMBER ONE AT ALL TIMES?

IS IT IMPORTANT TO GET THEM INVOLVED.

HOW IMPORTANT WAS IT FOR THIS PARTICULAR POPE IN LATIN AMERICA?

>> WELL, I TELL YOU, THIS HOLY FATHER WENT TO THE PERIPHERIES, TO THE AMAZON, AND GOT A CARDINAL IN THE AMAZON.

HE WENT UP TO MONGOLIA, GOT A CARDINAL FROM MONGOMERY, WHO'S ONLY 36 YEARS OLD.

HE WENT TO THE ISLAND OF TONGA AND ELEVATED ONE OF THEIR BISHOPS TO BE A CARDINAL.

SO WE HAVE THESE CARDINALS FROM THE PERIPHERIES IN THE CONCLAVE FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER TO ELECT ELECT THE NEXT HOLY FATHER.

>> AND THAT'S PART OF THE PROCESS OF GETTING THE NEXT HOLY FATHER, THE NEXT POPE, THE NEXT PONTIFF.

WE'RE ALL WAITING TO SEE THAT WHITE SMOKE, WHICH IS ALWAYS VERY TRADITIONAL.

WHAT DO YOU EXPECT TO SEE?

WHO DO YOU THINK WILL BE THE SUCCESS CENTER WHAT KIND OF PERSON DO YOU THINK WILL BE THE SUCCESS CENTER.

>> WELL, AS BISHOP SAID, YOU KNOW, WHO KNOWS.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALL SORTS OF SURPRISE THAT COULD BE ON THE WAY.

BUT I THINK YOU CAN JUST LOOK AT THE SHEER NUMBER OF CARDINALS WHO ARE OF ELECTABLE AGE, SO THEY CAN ELECT THE NEXT POPE.

SO MANY WERE APPOINTED BY POPE FRANCIS.

SO I THINK IT'S NOT TOO WILD OF A PREDICTION TO SAY WE CAN EXPECT TO SEE, I WOULD SAY, SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF CONTINUITY BASE HIMSELF HAS DEFLECTED SO MANY OF THEM AND THEY UNDERSTOOD HOW HE WAS INTERPRETING THE SIGNS OF THE TIMES, WHERE GOD IS LEADING THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.

SO THAT BEING SAID, WHO KNOWS.

AND THAT'S KIND OF PART OF THE FUN OF GOING THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS.

>> AND LAST QUESTION FOR YOU, BISHOP, AGAIN, SOMEONE WHO FOLLOWS FRANCIS OR SOMEONE WHO'S MAYBE A LITTLE MORE DOCTRINE AIR IN?

WHAT ARE YOU EXPECTING?

I KNOW YOU DON'T KNOW BUT WHAT ARE YOU EXPECTING?

>> I DO THINK THAT THE NEXT HOLY FATHER WILL CONTINUE SOME OF WHAT POPE FRANCIS HAS SHOWN US.

IN OTHER WORDS, REACHING OUT TO THE POOR, THE MARGINALIZED, THOSE ON THE PERIPHERIES, THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN EXCLUDED.

SO THIS TYPE OF INCONCLUSION, THIS TYPE OF OPENING -- THIS TYPE OF CONCLUSION, THIS TYPE MERCY TO THE CHURCH AND OPENING TO ALL, ALSO REMEMBER POPE FRANCIS BEGAN THE PROCESS OF SENTI ILDAILITY AND ALLOW OUR PEOPLE TO APPROACH US WITH ANY KIND OF CONCERN THEY MIGHT HAVE.

THAT IS VERY MUCH PART OF POPE FRANCIS' LEGACY AND I THINK THAT THE NEXT HOLY FATHER WILL CONTINUE SOME OF THIS LEGACY.

>> AUXILLARY BISHOP FNEVARES, FATHER JOHN MUIR, GOOD TO HAVE YOU BOTH HERE.

THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME AND JOINING US.

>> THANK YOU.

>>> THE U.S. SUPREME COURT WILL BEGIN HEARINGS THE NEXT MONTH OVER THE LEGALITY OF PRESIDENT TRUMP'S EXECUTIVE ORDER TO EARN BIRTH RIGHT CITIZENSHIP WHICH GRANTS CITIZENSHIP FOR CHILDREN BORN IN THE U.S. TO PATIENTS WHO AREN'T CITIZENS.

JOINING US IS LAUREN EVELYN CRUZ FROM ASU'S SANDRA DAY O'CONNOR SCHOOL OF LAW.

THANKS FOR JOINING US.

>> THE LAST FEW WEEKS OR SO THE SUPREME COURT HAS BEEN TRYING TO PUT STRUCTURE ON HOW THE DIFFERENT CASES ARE BEING PROCESS THROUGH THE COURTS WILL BE HANDLED.

>> AND THAT STRUCTURE IS KEY HERE BECAUSE THE QUESTION IS, WHAT, DID THE LOWER COURTS GO TOO FAR, CORRECT?

>> WELL, THE LOWER COURTS -- THAT MAY NOT BE THE QUESTION, PER SE, BUT MORE OF WHETHER OR NOT THE COURTS USED THE RIGHT PROCEDURAL PROCESS TO ADJUDICATE THE CASES THEY HAD IN FRONT OF THEM AND -- VERSUS THE ADMINISTRATION'S POSITION THAT THERE IS NO ADMINISTRATION PROCESS THAT COULD HAVE BEEN USED.

SO THAT'S THE QUESTION.

THERE'S TWO MINDS.

ONE SIDE SAYS NO, THIS DOES NOT REQUIRE ANY PROCEDURE, AND THE COURT'S SAYING WELL, WE HAVE PROCEDURES, AND SUPPOSED TO APPLY THEM TO WHATEVER IS HAPPENING.

>> SO THE ADMINISTRATION, AGAIN, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG HERE -- BUT THE PAUSE EXTENDS BEYOND THE -- IT EXTENDS BEYOND THE PARTIES THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THIS LITIGATION, AND THUS SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ORDERED.

>> WELL, WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION IS TRYING TO SAY IS THAT THEY FIND IT PROBLEMATIC TO THEM, THAT ONE LOWER COURT CAN ISSUE A RULING THAT EXTENDS THROUGH THE ENTIRETY OF THE COUNTRY.

>> YES.

>> AND AT THE SAME TIME, THEY ALSO FEEL THAT, THAT THE PROCESS THAT THEY HAVE IS ONE THAT SHOULD NOT HAVE ANY REVIEW BEFORE THE COURTS.

SO THOSE ARE THE TWO ARGUMENTS THEY'RE PRESENTING.

>> QUOTE HERE FROM, I BELIEVE, THE ADMINISTRATION.

GRAVELY ENCROACH ON THE PRESIDENT'S EXECUTIVE POWER AND THAT THE COURT NEEDS TO RESTORE, QUOTE, CONSTITUTIONAL BALANCE.

THEY'RE SAYING THE LOWER COURTS WENT TOO FAR.

THEY'RE SAYING RING THEM IN.

>> RIGHT.

AND PRESIDENTIAL BALANCE MEANS THAT ANYTHING THAT WE EXPECT, YOU KNOW, THAT THE PRESIDENT PROCEEDS WITH, HAS TO BE AGREEABLE UNDER THE CONSTITUTION.

THAT'S THE ROLE OF THE COURTS.

WHAT HE'S SAYING IS THAT THEY ARE -- THAT HE IS EXERCISING CERTAIN POWERS THAT DO NOT FIT INTO THE VIEW THAT IT'S AVAILABLE UNDER THE CONSTITUTION.

AND WHAT THE SUPREME COURT IS TRYING TO SAY IS, WELL, BEFORE YOU GO TOO FAR, LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT WHETHER OR NOT YOU'RE RIGHT, THAT YOU DO HAVE THE ABILITY OF DOING -- DO ALL THESE THINGS WITHOUT THE COURT'S BEING INVOLVED.

>> INDEED.

AND THAT PROCEDURAL STUFF, WE'RE NOT TALKING THE MERITS OF THE CASE AT ALL, ARE WE?

>> NO, WE'RE NOT.

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WHAT THE JURISDICTION IS.

FOR EXAMPLE, WE'VE HAD THE CASE FOR THE -- THE COURT SAID, WAIT, HAVE YOU TO BE ABLE TO THAT WITHIN THE THIRD CIRCUIT.

IN THIS CASE, THAT IS GOING TO BE HEARD IN MAY.

WHAT IS A QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT THE COURTS CAN ISSUE A COUNTRYWIDE INJUNCTION, WHICH HAS BEEN DONE FOR A VERY LONG TIME.

>> I WAS GONNA ASK BUT THAT, THAT WAS DONE UNDER PRESIDENT'S OBAMA AND -- YEAH.

SO TEXAS -- THERE'S A LOT OF FOREIGN SHOPPING THAT IS GOING ON, ON BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE, AND IT DOES -- SOME DOM FIND THIS PROBLEMATIC.

IN FACT THEY HAVE BASICALLY SAID THAT THEY DO NOT THINK THAT THEY SHOULD BE A NATIONWIDE TYPE OF INDUCTION, THAT THE ONLY WAY THAT THEY SHOULD BE AVAILABLE IS IF YOU CAN DO A CLASS ACTION.

BUT THE PROBLEM IS THAT IF YOU TRY TO DO A CLASS ACTION ON 100 OR SO DIFFERENT ENACTMENTS BY THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION, IT JUST WOULD NOT BE FEASIBLE.

>> BUT IF THE COURTS RULE ON MY CASE AND IT'S NOT -- IT DOESN'T -- IT'S NOT NATIONWIDE, NOT WOUNDING OR NATIONWIDE HERE, THEY RULE ON MY CASE, BUT YOU HAVE AT SAME SITUATION, MY CASE IS PAUSED, MY CASE, WHATEVER THE ACTION IS, JUDICIAL ACTION IS, IT APPLIES.

IT DOESN'T APPLY TO YOU.

THAT MAKES FOR SOME PRETTY ROCKY GROUND, DOESN'T?

>> IT DOES, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT $3.5 MILLION PEOPLE BORN EVERY YEAR IN THE UNITED STATES, AND SO YOU WOULD HAVE AT SUCH DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE DIFFERENCE -- [ INDISCERNIBLE ] AND YOU DID DO THAT.

THAT FIRST HAPPENED BUT THE THING IS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN INJUNCTION.

THE INJUNCTION IS NOT THE CASE, PER SE.

INJUNCTION IS A -- BEFORE ANYONE ELSE TAKES A LOOK AT THIS, WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT.

DON'T MOVE, ANYONE.

DON'T DO ANYTHING.

WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT.

AND WE'LL LET YOU KNOW WHAT WE THINK.

SO IN ORDER TO GET THAT INJUNCTION, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS SHOW THAT YOU HAVE THAT.

>> DO YOU THINK THE SUPREME COURT LIFTS THE INJUNCTION.

>> IT DEPENDS ON WHERE ROBERTS IS ON THAT ISSUE.

EVEN SOCIETY MOYER HAS SHOWN CONCERN ABOUT -- SOTOMAYOR HAS SHOWN CONCERN ABOUT THE NATIONWIDE INJUNCTION.

SO IT WILL BE VERY INTERESTING DECISION.

>> EVELYN CRUZ, GOOD TO SUE AGAIN.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

>> THANK YOU.

PRESIDENT TRUMP'S ON-AGAIN, OFF- AGAIN TARIFFS AND THREATS OF TARIFFS HAVE AFFECTED SMALL BUSINESS IN A VARIETY OF WAYS.

ONE SUCH BUSINESS, NAMED "SIMPLIFIED," IS SUING THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION OVER TARIFFS IMPOSED AGAINST CHINA.

EMILY LEY IS THE OWNER OF "SIMPLIFIED."

AND SHE JOINS US NOW.

THANKS SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

>>,000 SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME.

>> YOU BETCHA.

CHALLENGING THE TRUMP TARIFFS IN COURT, WHY ARE YOU DOING?

>> WELL, THESE TARIFFS THE WAY THEY WERE PUT IN PLACE DIDN'T FOLLOW THE LAW.

I DIDN'T GET TO HAVE MY VOICE HEARD, I DIDN'T GET TO CONTACT MY REPRESENTATIVES AND IT DIDN'T HAVE ANY SORT OF CONGRESSIONAL INVOLVEMENT, AND WE AIM TO PROVE THAT, NOT ONLY ARE THESE GOING TO TANK SMALL BYES AND BUSINESSES EVERYWHERE, BUT I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE REMEMBER THOSE CHECKS AND BALANCES THAT EXIST FOR A REASON.

>> INDEED, AND IMPOSED ILLEGALLY.

TALK ABOUT HOW YOU SEE THAT AND WHY THE COURTS NEED TO STEP IN.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

I THINK IN MANY WAYS, IN PARTICULAR HERE WE'RE SEEING THAT OUR EXECUTIVE BRANCH, OUR PRESIDENT IS MAKING DECISIONS OUTSIDE OF THE LETTER OF THE LAW.

THE CONSTITUTION STATES THAT CONGRESS SHOULD HAVE BEEN INVOLVED FROM THE GET-GO, JUST LIKE THEY WERE BACK IN 2018 WHEN THE INITIAL TARIFFS WERE FIRST PUT INTO PLACE BY HIM.

BUT THIS TIME CONGRESS WAS NOT INVOLVED.

SO WE AIM TO PROVE THAT REALLY THE RULES ARE THERE FOR A REASON, AND THAT WE NEED ALL BE ABLE TO HAVE A VOICE TO KEEP THE DEMOCRACY THAT WE HAVE.

>> DOES YOUR LAWSUIT -- IN READING THIS, I THOUGHT YOUR LAWSUIT REFERRED TO TRUMP'S REFERENCE TO AN OPIOID EMERGENCY AS A REASON FOR THE TRADE, AND OF COURSE THE -- THE TARIFFS, I SHOULD SAY, AND HE'S USED THAT IN A VARIETY OF WAYS.

IS THAT PART OF YOUR LAWSUIT, AS WELL?

>> IT IS.

HE USED AN EMERGENCY LEVER, IF YOU WILL, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM.

AND AND HE IS CLAIMING THAT THAT IS HOW HE'S ABLE TO PUT TARIFFS INTO PLACE WITHOUT CONGRESSIONAL INVOLVEMENT, THAT IT'S NEVER -- THAT HAS NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE WITH TARIFFS, AND SO WHILE THE NCLA WHO'S REPRESENTING ME CAN SPEAK TO THE LEGAL ISSUES BETTER THAN I CAN, IT IS VERY TRUE THAT THE LAW WAS NOT FOLLOWED.

>> YOU CAN CERTAINLY SPEAK TO HOW TARIFFS WILL AFFECT YOUR PARTICULAR BUSINESS.

WHAT IS YOUR BUSINESS, AND WHAT'S THE IMPACT?

>> YEAH.

I STARTED A COMPANY CALLED SIMPLIFIED BACK IN 2008, AND WE MAKE BEAUTIFUL PLANNERS AND PAPER GOODS AND DESKTOP ORGANIZATIONAL TOOLS FOR BUSINESSWOMEN.

WE SERVE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF WOMEN AROUND THE WORLD, AND I EMPLOY NINE FULL-TIME WORKERS HERE IN THE UNITED STATES, WHO ARE INCREDIBLE, ALL WOMEN.

AND WE HAVE PAID SINCE 20171.17 MILLION DOLLARS AND ARE LOOKING AT ANY WHY -- SINCE 2017, $1.17 MILLION DOLLARS AND ARE LOOKING AT $1 150% TARIFFS AT THIS POINT, WHICH IS DEVASTATING TO ANY BUSINESS BUT ESPECIALLY TO A BUSINESSLIKE OURS.

WE DON'T HAVE THE MARGE TOWN JUST RAISE PRICES THROUGH THE ROOF.

CUSTOMERS WON'T BE ABLE TO PAY.

WE'RE LOOKING AT HAVING TO CUT BACK ON CHARITABLE GIVING, ON SALARIES, ON STAFF.

IT'S TRULY DEVASTATING.

>> THOSE WHO SUPPORT TARIFFS, THE ADMINISTRATION, THEY SAY THIS IS THE REASON WHY WE NEED TARIFFS SO THAT AMERICAN BUSINESS, AMERICAN INFRASTRUCTURE IS THERE FOR SMALL BUSINESSLIKE YOURS.

HOW DO YOU RESPOND TO THAT?

>> IF WE HAD THE INFRASTRUCTURE, I WOULD HAVE CONTINUED MAKING THEM HERE.

I ACTUALLY MADE OUR FIRST PLANNERS HERE IN THE UNITED STATES BACK IN 2012.

THEY COST ME $38 A UNIT TO MAKE, AND WHEN YOU UNDERGRADUATE OVERHEAD OF RUNNING A BUSINESS, WE TOLLED SOLD THEM FOR $50 AND MADE NO PROFIT THAT YEAR.

AFTER THAT I HAD TO LOOK OUTSIDE OF THE UNITED STATES TO FIND, YOU KNOW, A WONDERFUL PLACE, AND WE HAVE AN INCREDIBLE MANUFACTURERS IN CHINA THAT MAKE OUR PRODUCTS AT A PRICE POINT WE WE CAN SELL THEM FOR.

IF WE HAD THE INFRASTRUCTURE I'D BE THRILLED TO MAKE OUR PRODUCTS HERE, BUT WE DON'T.

>> I THINK YOU'RE THE FIRST TO FILE SUIT IN THIS PARTICULAR CHARGE.

WHAT'S THE REACTION SO FAR?

>> IT'S BEEN REALLY POSITIVE.

I'VE BEEN VERY SURPRISED AND ENCOURAGED HOW MUCH SUPPORT WE'VE GOTTEN FROM EVERY SIDE OF THE AISLE.

I THINK REALLY THE REALITY OF WHAT THESE TARIFFS ARE DOING TO BUSINESSES, TO FOUNDERS, TO COMPANIES, TO CONSUMERS, IT'S STARTING TO COME OUT, AND WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF SUPPORT, SO I'M REALLY GRATEFUL.

THIS IS THE END OF MY AMERICAN DREAM, I'VE BEEN SAYING I'M GOING TO GO DOWN FIGHTING.

>> WELL, GHENT IS IS SIMPLIFIED.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US, AND WE APPRECIATE YOU SHARING YOUR THOUGHTS.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

>> YOU BET.

>> THAT IS IT FOR NOW, I'M SECOND TED SIMONS, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

YOU HAVE A GREAT EVENING.