CALLIE: WELCOME TO BASIC BLACK.

SOME OF YOU ARE JOINING US ON OUR BROADCAST AND OTHERS OF YOU ARE JOINING US ON OUR DIGITAL PLATFORMS.

I'’M CALLIE CROSSLEY, HOST OF, UNDER THE RADAR, 89.7.

TONIGHT: "BLACK MEN SPEAK."

A WEEK AGO, 13-YEAR-OLD TYLER LAWRENCE WAS BURIED-THE TEEN WAS SHOT TO DEATH WHILE WALKING NEAR HIS GRANDPARENTS'’ MATTAPAN HOUSE.

HIS KILLING WAS ABOUT A MONTH AFTER THE NATION WITNESSED GRAPHIC VIDEO OF THE BRUTAL BEATING OF 29-YEAR-OLD TYRE NICHOLS AT THE HANDS OF FIVE BLACK MEMPHIS POLICE OFFICERS.

TYRE DIED THREE DAYS LATER.

BOSTON POLICE SAY TYLER WAS TARGETED, WHILE MEMPHIS POLICE OFFICERS ALLEGEDLY TARGETED TYRE.

EITHER WAY, STUDIES SHOW WHILE WHITE PEOPLE ARE VICTIMS OF FATAL ATTACKS, TOO, VIOLENCE IS DISPROPORTIONATELY AIMED AT BLACK PEOPLE-MOST OFTEN BLACK MEN.

IS THERE ANY SERIOUS EFFORT TO MAKE THE KILLINGS STOP?

AND MEANWHILE, HOW DO BLACK MEN, ESPECIALLY, NAVIGATE THE EVER-PRESENT THREAT?

JOINING US THIS EVENING: DR. CHARLES DANIELS, JR., A LICENSED THERAPIST AND CO-FOUNDER AND CEO, FATHER'’S UPLIFT, A MENTAL HEALTH CLINIC AND TREATMENT FACILITY.

STEPH LEWIS, PRESIDENT AND CEO, THE BASE-AN ACADEMIC AND SPORTS PROGRAM FOR YOUTH.

AND SHAWN BROWN, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, YOUTH GUIDANCE BOSTON, HEADQUARTERS TO THE SCHOOL-BASED GROUP COUNSELING PROGRAMS: BECOMING A MAN (BAM) AND WORKING ON WOMANHOOD (WOW).

WELCOME TO YOU ALL.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING US.

CALLIE: I'’M GOING TO PUT THE TYLER LAWRENCE DEATH IN CONTEXT LATER.

I WILL START OFF WITH TALKING ABOUT THE EATING'’S OF TYRE NICHOLS AND HIS EVENTUAL DEATH.

PARTICULARLY THE VIDEO THAT WAS RELEASED.

THE VERY GRAPHIC VIDEO.

DID YOU WATCH IT, STUFF?

-- STEPH?

HOW WAS A RESPONSE TO IT AND HOW IS RESPONSE FROM THE YOUNG PEOPLE YOU WORK WITH?

STEPH: I DID.

WHEN I KNEW THE VIDEO WAS GOING TO COME OUT I CREATED AN EXCUSE TO LEAVE MY HOUSE, GO TO THE STOP & SHOP.

THAT WAS FOR ME TO SIT IN THE CAR AND DIGESTED MYSELF.

OUTRAGED.

IT HURT.

THAT GENTLEMAN WAS HUNTED LESS THAN 100 YARDS FROM HIS HOUSE.

IT WAS SOMETHING, IT TOOK ME A LOT TO BE ABLE TO TAKEN -- TAKE IN.

I KNEW IMMEDIATELY WE HAD TO ADDRESS IT WITH OUR YOUNG FOLKS.

GIVE THEM A SPACE TO DISCUSS HOW THEY FELT.

WHAT WERE THE THINGS THEY WERE THINKING?

TRY TO ADDRESS IT AS MUCH AS WE CAN KNOW WE DO NOT HAVE THE INITIAL ANSWERS.

THERE ARE A LOT OF RAW EMOTIONS.

WE HAD TO GRAY SPACE THEM TO LET IT GO -- CREATE A SPACE FOR THEM LET IT GO.

THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE DONE.

WE ARE FOLLOWING UP THAT THAT IS SOMETHING WE ARE WORKING ON OURSELVES.

SHAWN: INITIALLY I DID NOT WATCH IT.

I WAS TRIGGERED, AND A LOT OF EMOTIONS THAT CAME BACK FOR ME, RODNEY KING IMMEDIATELY.

IT WAS VIRAL ON SOCIAL MEDIA.

EVERY TIME YOU OPEN UP SOCIAL MEDIA IT WAS THERE.

I COULD NOT MYSELF TO WATCH IT INITIALLY.

THEN I THOUGHT ABOUT THIS POSSIBILITY I HAVE AS A FATHER.

THE I HAVE AS A LEADER OF YOUTH GUIDANCE.

THAT RESPONSIBILITY TO YOUNG PEOPLE.

NOT ONLY YOUNG PEOPLE COME OF THIS POSSIBILITY I HAVE TO MY STAFF.

FOR ME IT WAS IMPORTANT, TO WATCH IT, AND FIGURE OUT AS STEPH SET COME HOW DO WE MOVE FORWARD AND CREATE SICK SPACE FOR FOLKS TO TALK ABOUT IT -- SAFE SPACE FOR FOLKS TO TALK ABOUT AND SHARE THEIR EMOTIONS?

FULL TRANSPARENCY I HAVE NOT WATCHED THE FULL VIDEO.

I CANNOT BRING MYSELF.

AS YOU GET INTO WATCH IT, MY ANXIETY GETS TRIGGERED.

I WAS GETTING EMOTIONAL AND GOOSEBUMPS AS YOU ARE DESCRIBING THE TYRE NICHOLS SITUATION AS WELL AS A TYLER SITUATION.

I AM SITTING HERE AND I CAN FEEL EMOTIONS BUBBLING UP.

THAT IS ALWAYS HERE.

THE IMPACT WHEN WE ARE IN SITUATIONS LIKE THIS.

WAS A CASE FOR ME, QUICKLY AS YOU SAID, OK, WHAT IS MY RESPONSIBILITY AS A COMMUNITY LEADER?

MY RESPONSE ABILITY AS A FATHER AND A LEADER OF THIS ORGANIZATION?

CALLIE: CHARLES YOU ARE IN POSITION TO DEAL WITH THESE COMPLEX LAYERED EMOTIONS.

I WANT TO GET TO YOUR MOTION FIRST -- EMOTIONS FIRST AND THEN THE MENU INTERACT WITH.

CHARLES: FOR ME I WAS VERY SAD.

I ACTUALLY CRIED.

IT REALLY BROUGHT UP NOTIONS OF SELF-HATE.

THERE WAS A MOMENT IN MY LIFE WHERE I DID NOT LIKE MYSELF BECAUSE OF THE COLOR OF MY SKIN.

QUESTIONING HOW COULD SOMEONE LOOK LIKE ME BE TO DEATH A MAN THAT LIKE ME.

FOR ME, THE MOMENTS WHERE I TRIED TO BLEACH MY SKIN, OR GET LIGHTER SKIN, AND DID NOT LIKE MYSELF IT DEEP.

-- HIT DEEP.

I CALLED MY THERAPIST ON SPEED THAT'’LL.

STATING -- SPEED DIAL.

STATING THAT A PLUMBING 28 DEPRESSION -- IT PUTS ME INTO A DEEP DEPRESSION.

AT THIS PARTICULAR JUNCTURE IN TIME IT IS IMPORTANT WE EMBRACE THAT.

TO BE ABLE TO FEEL IS A PRIVILEGE.

THE MOMENT I STOP FEELING I AM DEAD SPIRITUALLY AND MENTALLY.

I AM HAPPILY I FELT THAT I DID NOT LIKE WHAT I FELT.

CALLIE: FULL DISCLOSURE I HAVE NOT WATCH THE VIDEO, I KNOW IS AVAILABLE EVERYWHERE.

WE KNOW THESE SCENARIOS HAVE HAPPENED MANY TIMES OVER THE YEARS.

YOU REFERENCED RODNEY KING.

FOR -- YEARS AGO, ORDINARY MOTORIST WAS ALL THE SIDE BY COPS, THIS WAS THE FIRST VIDEO THAT WAS SHOT BY A NEIGHBOR WHERE YOU SEE THE COPS URSZULA SLEEP -- MERCILESSLY BEATING HIM.

HE SURVIVED, BUT HAD AN IMPACT.

IT IMPACTED THE NATION, SO MUCH THAT DURING PRESIDENT BIDEN'’S STATE OF THE UNION ADDRESS, HE SPOKE ABOUT TERRY NICHOLS.

HERE IT IS.

>> JOINING US TONIGHT'’S APPEARANCE OF TYRE NICHOLS, WELCOME -- ARE THE PARENTS OF TYREE NICHOLS.

WELCOME.

[APPLAUSE] THEY HAD TO BURY HIM LAST WEEK.

AS MANY OF YOU UNFORTUNATELY NO -- KNOW THERE IS NO WORDS TO DESCRIBE THE HEARTACHE AND GRIEF OF LOSING A CHILD.

IMAGINE IF YOU LOST THAT CHILD TO THE HANDS OF THE LAW.

IMAGINE HAVING TO WORRY WHETHER YOUR SON OR DAUGHTER CAME HOME FROM WALKING DOWN THE STREET, PLAYING IN THE PARK OR JUST DRIVING A CAR.

MOST OF US AND HERE HAVE NEVER HAD TO HAVE THE TALK.

THE TALK THAT AROUND AND BLACK PARENTS HAVE HAD TO HAVE OTHER CHILDREN.

BOW, HUNTER, ASHLEY, MY CHILDREN, I NEVER HAD TO HAVE THE TALK WITH THEM.

NEVER TELL THEM IF THE POLICE OFFICER TURNS A DUTCH PULLS YOU OVER TURN ON THE INTERIOR LIGHTS -- TURN ON THE INTERIOR LIGHTS AWAY, DO NOT REACH FOR A LICENSE, KEEP YOUR HANDS ON YOUR STEERING WHEEL.

IMAGINE HAVING TO WORRY ABOUT THAT EVERYTHING WILL TIME.

MOST COPS AND THEIR FAMILIES ARE GOOD HONORABLE DECENT PEOPLE, A VAST MAJORITY.

THEY RISK -- [APPLAUSE] THEY RISK THEIR LIVES EVERY TIME THEY PUT THAT SHIELD ON.

WHAT HAPPENED TO TYREE AND MEMPHIS HAPPENS TOO OFTEN.

WE HAVE TO DO BETTER.

CALLIE: IT WAS IMPORTANT TO HEAR THE PRESIDENT, FROM HIS BULLY PULPIT, TALK ABOUT THIS CASE.

IT HAS TAKEN ON THE KIND OF A NATIONAL ATTENTION GEORGE FLOYD'’S MURDER DID ON CAMERA.

HE RAISED THE POINT OF, THE TALK.

BLACK FAMILIES ARE VERY WELL AWARE OF THE TALK.

HE DESCRIBED IT PERFECTLY.

HERE IS THE THING, USUALLY THE TALK IS HOW TO PREPARE FOR AN OFFICER WHO IS NOT YOUR SAME RACE.

WE HAVE IN MEMPHIS, AT LEAST FIVE OFFICERS, MORE HAVE BEEN PULLED ASIDE, WHO JUST LOOKED -- WHO LOOK LIKE TYREE NICHOLS, THE 29-YEAR-OLD BLACK MAN THEY PUMMELED TO THE POINT OF ALMOST FATALITY.

THE NEXT THREE DAYS HE DIED, THEY PUMMELED HIM TO THAT.

LET'’S START THERE.

THAT IS A COMPLICATED CONVERSATION HAVE WITH YOUR YOUNG MEN AND YOUNG WOMEN.

SHAWN: THAT WAS THE MAIN CONCERN, INITIALLY, THE CONVERSATION I HAD TO HAVE MY TWO SONS.

MY OLDEST SON IS 30.

MY MIDDLE SON IS 23.

ME AND MY WIFE WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT.

WE OFTEN TALK ABOUT CONVERSATIONS WE NEED TO HAVE WITH OUR YOUNG MEN AS THEY ARE DRIVING AND IF THEY GET PULLED OVER BY POLICE.

CALLIE: DOES THAT CHANGE WHEN THE OFFICERS ARE BLACK?

SHAWN: IT DOES NOT.

IT REALLY DOESN'’T.

JUST SPEAKING TO OUR YOUNG PEOPLE, AND LOVE TIMES THEIR INTERACTIONS, IT DOES NOT DIFFER WHETHER IT IS A WHITE COP OR A BLACK COP.

THEY FEEL THE SAME WAY.

THEY FEEL THE SAME WAY WHEN THEY SEE THOSE MEN IN BLUE.

THERE IS A DISCONNECT.

THERE IS A LACK OF TRUST.

IT IS BASED ON EXPERIENCES THAT THEY HAVE HAD PERSONALLY, THAT THEIR FAMILY HAS HAD.

THERE IS GENERATIONAL TRAUMA FROM EXPERIENCES WITH POLICE AND YOUNG PEOPLE.

FOR CONVERSATION WITH MY KIDS IT WAS EXACTLY WHAT PRESIDENT BIDEN SAID IN TERMS OF MAKING SURE TURN YOUR INTERIOR LIGHTS ON.

HAVE YOUR REGISTRATION ON THE DASHBOARD.

KEEP YOUR HANDS UP WHERE THEY CAN BE SEEN AT ALL TIMES.

THAT IS, IT IS A REAL AFFAIR FOR BLACK FAMILIES.

CALLIE: WHAT IS INTERESTING, BOTH YOU AND STEPH, AND SOME DEGREE CHARLES, HAVE PARTNERSHIPS AND INTERACTIVE RELATIONSHIPS WITH BLACK COPS.

HERE WE HAVE THIS.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE TALK WITH YOUR YOUNG PEOPLE, BUT THERE IS AGAIN THIS COMPLICATED LATER -- LAYER, THE COPS WERE NOT WHITE, THEY WERE BLACK.

HOW DO YOU DEAL?

STEPH: AS SEAN MENTIONED, ALSO THE EXACT SAME WAY.

UNFORTUNATELY WITH POLICING THERE IS THAT SENSE OF CONTROL.

FOR THOSE THAT GET PULLED OVER, I THINK ABOUT IT, THE CONVERSATION I HAD TO HAVE AS A YOUNG TEENAGER.

WHAT SPARKED ME, THE UNFORTUNATE CONVERSATION, ALWAYS MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS WHY DOES THAT HAVE TO BECOME NORMAL?

WHY IS THAT THE NORMAL CONVERSATION TO HAVE?

IT IS A NECESSARY CONVERSATION.

IT TOOK A LOT OF DEEP CONVERSATIONS.

IT TOOK A LOT OF BACKROOM TALKS WITH A CUP -- COUPLE FOLKS I DO KNOW THAT OUR PART OF LAW ENFORCEMENT.

I NEEDED TO UNDERSTAND THEIR PERSPECTIVE.

I NEEDED UNDERSTAND THEIR STANCE.

UNDERSTAND THAT EVERY POLICE OFFICER ARE LIKELY FIVE OFFICERS AND MEANT THIS, BUT THERE ARE TIMES AND TRIGGERING MOMENTS WHERE THAT CAN HAPPEN, RIGHT?

IT IS BALANCING THE SENSE OF HOW DO WE KEEP OUR FOLKS SAFE, BUT THEN HOW DO WE CREATE THAT SENSE OF UNDERSTANDING?

CHARLES: I THINK THE PANDEMIC HAS SUCKED THE LIFE OUT OF A LOT OF PEOPLE.

THERE IS LUSTROUS END THERE ACTING ON IT -- A LOTS OF STRESS AND THERE ACTING ON IT.

MENTAL HEALTH COUNSELORS AND OTHERS ARE NOT EXCLUDED.

THERE IS A DIFFERENCE WHEN YOU HAVE POWER IN THAT STRESS.

SOMEHOW BECAUSE I WEAR BLUE, I DO NOT HAVE THE SAME ISSUES AS BLACK PEOPLE, THAT IS THE FURTHEST THING AWAY FROM THE TRUTH.

WE HAVE SOME COPS THAT REALLY BELIEVE THAT.

AS THE FATHER OF AN EIGHT-YEAR-OLD SON, I REGRET HAVING TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION.

I DO NOT WANT TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.

EVERY TIME I THINK ABOUT THAT, WHEN THINGS THIS HAPPEN IT GIVES ME GREAT ANXIETY.

MY MOM, WHEN SHE HAD CONVERSATION WITH ME SHE WAS NOTHING ABOUT BLACK COPS, CHOOSING ABOUT WHITE PEOPLE.

SHE GREW UP IN THE 50'’S.

HOLD YOUR HANDS OF, SAY YES SIR, SAY NO SIR, ALWAYS USE SIR.

SHE WAS NOW THINKING OF PEOPLE THAT LOOK LIKE US.

FROM EMI PERSONAL SPRINGS I'’M WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION -- ME AND MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE I WILL HAVE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH MY SON ONE DAY.

IS A NECESSARY CONVERSATION FOR ALL BLACK AND BROWN FAMILIES IN THE UNITED STATES AMERICA.

CALLIE: YOU ARE PROBABLY THE BEST PERSON ON THIS PANEL THE SALE OUT, EVEN THE -- SAY OUT LOUD EVEN THOUGH YOU DO NOT KNOW THIS PERSON, IF THIS IS A CASE OF SELF-HELP -- SELF-HATRED.

ONE OF THE FORMER OFFICERS, TOOK A PHOTO OF TYREE UP AGAINST THE CAR AFTER HE HAD BEEN PUMMELED TO SEND IT TO FRIENDS.

WHAT IS THAT?

AS A HARD PLACE TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND.

YOU HAVE ALREADY DONE IT.

MAY BE IN THE MOMENT, I AM ASKING YOU, YOU ARE THE THERAPIST, YOU HAVE LEFT YOUR BODY AND TAKING OUT ALL YOUR ANGST ON THESE PEOPLE THAT OFTEN HAPPENED DURING THE OVERSLEEP -- ENSLAVED TIMES.

WHEN THE OVERSEER ASKED A BLACK PERSON TO BEAT ANOTHER BLACK PERSON.

THIS IS YOUR POWER.

YOU DO NOT HAVE TO DO IT.

CHARLES: SELF-HATE AND A NEED TO BE VALIDATED.

SOME OF THOSE OFFICERS WERE MEMBERS OF TRINITY'’S.

WE THINK -- FRATERNITIES, WE THINK ABOUT HAZING, THERE'’S ANOTHER PART OF THIS.

WHEN YOU HAVE THIS MUCH POWER AND YOUR USED TO BEING CONTROLLING, RIGHT?

YOU HAVE MOMENTS WHEN YOU HAVE BEEN CONTROLLED AS A PERSON OF COLOR IN THE UNITED STATES AMERICA WILL LIKE BEING CONTROLLING MORE THAN BEING CONTROLLED.

WHEN YOU HAVE THE POWER AND YOU HAVE A BAD DAY YOU CAN END UP HARMING PEOPLE.

IF YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW TO CONTROL IT.

THAT IS WHY THERAPY AND SOCIAL SUPPORT IS IMPORTANT.

IF YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW TO CONTROL IT YOU WILL VICTIMIZE SOMEONE ELSE.

AN INNOCENT PERSON, TERRY NICHOLS WAS AN INNOCENT PERSON.

WRONG PLACE AT THE WRONG TIME WITH SOMEBODY AND PEOPLE WHO DO NOT KNOW HOW TO CONTROL THE POWER.

SELF HATE, THE NEED FOR VALIDATION, HISTORY OF HAZING, THERE IS SO MUCH GOING ON HERE.

CALLIE: YOU ALREADY HAVE AUGMENTED NUMBERS OF THE WORK YOU WORK ORGANIZATION DOES TO GET YOUNG PEOPLE TO HAVE CONSTRUCTIVE ANGER, BUT NOT RESPOND IN A WAY THAT WOULD END UP LIKE ONE OF THESE COX -- COPS.

SHAWN: THAT IS SPEAKING TO ONE OF OUR CORE VALUES.

WE HAVE SIX COURT VALUES WE ABIDE BY.

INTEGRITY, ACCOUNTABILITY, SELF-DETERMINATION, ANGER IN A POSITIVE -- POSITIVE ANGER EXPRESSION IS THE ONE I WILL BE SPEAKING TO THAT WE INSTILL IN OUR YOUNG KINGS.

THAT ANGER IS AN EXPRESSION.

HOW YOU CHANNEL THAT IS A CHOICE.

DO YOU CHANNEL IT IN A SAVAGE WAY THAT IS DESTRUCTIVE OR A WARRIOR WAY THAT IS MORE CONTROLLED?

WE TEACH OUR YOUNG KINKS TO SHOW THEIR ANGER -- KINGS TO SHOW THEIR ANGER IN A WARRIOR WAY.

SLOW DOWN THEIR THOUGHT PROCESS.

THINK ABOUT ACTION.

HAVING THEM UNDERSTAND THAT THEY ARE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS ATTENDED OR UNINTENDED.

THE GOAL OF HAVING THEM INTERNALIZE THOSE CORE VALUES AND HAVING THEM PRACTICE THEM BACK INTO SOCIETY.

THAT HAS BEEN BENEFICIAL TO OUR YOUNG PEOPLE.

THEY TALK ABOUT BEING IN THAT THAT SPACE, AND HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS.

KNOWING HOW TO SLOW DOWN AND BREATHE.

AS I WAS WATCHING THE VIDEO AND LISTENING TO THE DOCTOR TALK, GETTING TRIGGERED WITH ANXIETY.

I AM TAKING A DEEP RIGHT -- BREATH AND CALMING MYSELF.

THOSE ARE STRATEGIES WE TEACH OUR YOUNG PEOPLE.

AS YOU SAID THE DATA HAS SHOWN IT HAS BEEN IMPACTFUL IN HELPING OUR YOUNG MEN STAY OUT OF SITUATIONS LIKE THAT.

CALLIE: NOW, WOULD WE PUT THE TYLER LAWRENCE SHOOTING?

HERE HE IS OLD BUSINESS -- OWNED BUSINESS, 13-YEAR-OLD TAKING A WALK NEAR HIS GRANDPARENTS THAT HE HAS MANY TIMES.

STEPH I CAN ONLY IMAGINE THE CONVERSATION HAVE WITH YOUR PEOPLE.

THE POLICE SAY HE WAS TARGETED, THE FAMILY IS PUSHING AGAINST THAT.

BE THAT AS IT MAY THE YOUNG MAN IS DEAD.

AT 13.

I AM HAVING A HARD TIME PROCESSING IT MYSELF.

STEPH: YOU HAVE REPORTS THAT ARE SAYING TARGETED, BUT HE WAS A YOUNG MAN, HE WAS A BABY, 13 YEARS OLD.

IF THAT IS THE CASE OR NOT IT DOES NOT MATTER.

HE WAS 13 YEARS OLD.

AGAIN, I CANNOT USE THE TERM WRONG PLACE WRONG TIME HOWEVER MAY HAVE WORKED.

HE WAS A YOUNG MAN, HE WAS WHERE HE SHOULD THAT SHE WAS WHEREVER HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE AT THE MOMENT HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN.

I HAVE PERSONALLY BEEN GOING THROUGH IT A LITTLE BIT IN REGARDS TO TYLER LAWRENCE.

A YOUNG 13-YEAR-OLD, 11:30 A.M. ON A SUNDAY.

CALLIE: NEAR HIS GRANDPARENTS HOUSE.

STEPH: RIGHT OUTSIDE YOUR GRANDPARENTS STEPS.

FAMILY MOVED BECAUSE OF CONCERNS.

YET THE WORST YOU CAN IMAGINE IS YOUR SON, IT HAS BEEN A HARD ONE.

I HAVE A 12-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER.

YOU THINK ABOUT THAT AS A PARENT.

THE THING THAT YOU CAN ONLY DO, ESPECIALLY WITH OUR YOUNG FOLKS IN THE PROGRAM, HOW DO YOU PROVIDE THEM THE SPACE TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK?

ALSO THAT SPACE THEY COULD COME TO AND WE CONTINUE TO SHOW THEM LOVE.

HOW DO WE GIVE THEM A SPACE OF LOVE?

AGAIN, PUSH FORWARD, AND CONTINUED TO PROVIDE THAT POSITIVE SPACE AND REINFORCEMENT FOR THEM.

LET THEM KNOW THAT BECAUSE YOU'’RE BLACK AND BROWN YOU'’RE STILL LEFT.

-- LOVED.

CALLIE: WE HAVE STUDIES INDICATE WHEN IT HAPPENS TO INDIVIDUALS IT HAPPENS TO OUR ENTIRE COMMUNITY.

THE PTSD, SOMETHING CALLED A SPILLOVER EFFECT, HAPPENS TO THE REST OF US BECAUSE WE REACT TO IT.

THAT EXPLAIN SOME OF THE TRIGGERING FOLKS UP AT AROUND THE VIDEO WITH TYREE AND ALSO THE KILLING OF THIS YOUNG MAN.

HOW DO YOU PUT HIS DEATH IN CONTEXT WITH TYRE AND HOW WE AS A COMMUNITY TO RESPOND?

PARTICULARLY BLACK MEN.

THERE IS A YOUNG BLACK MAN AND A YOUNGER BLACK BAND THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.

SHAWN: WE ARE IN A GRIEVING PERIOD AS A COMMUNITY THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.

THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO LOVE US MORE, BUT ALSO LOVE ONE ANOTHER MORE.

ONE THING LIKE TO SEE IN SITUATIONS LIKE THESE BEING WEAPONIZED AND BEING USED AGAINST US.

YOU HAVE BLACK ON BLACK CRIME, HAVE THIS AND YOU HAVE THAT, BUT NOT NECESSARILY TAKEN THE IMPACT OF THE INFLUENCE OF RACISM.

OUR COMMITTEES DENY HAVE BEEN LIKE THIS -- COMMUNITIES DID NOT HAPPEN LIKE THIS OVERNIGHT.

WITH THAT BEING STATED WE NEED TO PUT THE ISSUE WHERE THE ISSUE BELONGS.

RACISM, SYSTEMATIC OPPRESSION, OR POLICIES CREATED TO KEEP OUR COMMUNITIES IN THE SAME SITUATIONS THERE IN.

IN TERMS OF SOLUTIONS, ONE THING I ENCOURAGE PEOPLE OF COLOR TO DO ALL THE TIME, THERE IS ONLY SO MUCH PRAYER CAN DO.

LET'’S BE HONEST.

WE CANNOT PRAY AWAY THE SITUATION.

YES, GO TO CHURCH.

YES, CONTINUE TO PRAY.

YES, GET HELP.

TAKE MEDICATION IF NECESSARY.

CLINICS, THERAPY, COACHES, PEER-TO-PEER SUPPORT.

WHATEVER RESOURCES ARE AVAILABLE.

DO NOT BE TOO PROUD TO GET HELP.

GETTING HELP DOES NOT MEAN YOU ARE WEAK OR NOT IMPORTANT, JUST MEANS YOU ARE HEALING.

IF WE AS A COMMUNITY COME TOGETHER AND REALIZE AND ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IT IS OK TO BE HELPED, IT IS OK TO CRY COME IS OK TO FEEL DEPRESSED.

IS PART OF FEELING HUMAN WILL BE OK.

IN THE MEANTIME WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO ADVOCATE FOR FAIR POLICIES TO MAKE SURE OUR PEOPLE ARE NOT TREATED.

MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE DOING OUR PART OF LOVING ONE ANOTHER.

I THINK SELF-HATE CAN BE RIPPLE EFFECT THAT GREETS NEGATIVITY -- THAT CREATES NEGATIVITY WE DO NOT LOVE OURSELVES.

EMBRACE THERAPY, EMBRACE PRAYER, EMBRACE RELIGION.

ALL CAN COLOCATED -- COEXIST TOGETHER.

CALLIE: TO NOT NORMALIZE.

SHAWN: YOU SAID IT WELL, WE HAVE ALL HEARD HURT PEOPLE.

THERE IS A LOT OF HURT PEOPLE AS BEEN CHARGED WITH CHANGING POLICIES, SUPPORTING OUR YOUNG PEOPLE THAT HAS NOT DONE THE WORK THEMSELVES.

WE WOULD TALK ABOUT ROOM FOR SELF-EXAMINATION, DOING YOUR OWN WORK, I SUBSCRIBED TO THAT BUT I WAS YOUNGER, I DID NOT NEED THERAPY.

BREAKING THAT STIGMA, IT WAS NOT UNTIL I WAS DOING THE WORK WITH BAM SIX YEARS AGO, -- IS A 10-YEAR-OLD BOY, NOT HAVING MY FATHER IN MY LIFE, DEALING WITH GANG VIOLENCE, THERE IS A LOT THAT IMPACTED ME.

IT WAS NOT UNTIL I DID THIS WORK, AND 100% OF US GETTING HELP AND SEEKING OUT THERAPY IS OK. AS YOU SAID I AM A MAN OF GOD AND PRAYER, ABSOLUTELY, BUT THEY CAN COINCIDE.

CALLIE: WHAT ISTHE POWER, HERE THE THREE OF YOU ARE REPRESENTING ORGANIZATIONS AND SAFE SPACES, PLACES WHERE ALL OF YOU HAS SET IN SOME WAY THAT YOUNG BLACK MEN CAN COME OR OLDER BLACKMAN CAN COME AND BE VALIDATED.

IN THEIR RESPONDING TO THESE HORRIFIC CRIMES.

WHAT IS THE POWER AND THAT?

STEPH: I THINK, WHAT WE ARE ALL DOING IS SHOWING THE WORLD THAT OUR YOUNG BLACK AND BROWN MEN AND WOMEN ARE GREAT.

WE ARE PROVIDED A PLATFORM FOR THEM TO STAND ON OUR SHOULDERS.

WE ARE DOING IS SHOWING THE WORLD THAT GREATNESS IS A NORMALCY.

UNFORTUNATELY AGAIN WE HAVE SOME OF THE THINGS WITHIN OUR COMMUNITIES THAT WE OURSELVES HAVE TO DEAL WITH.

AGAIN, WHEN GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY WE CAN SHOWCASE THE AMAZING THINGS WE CAN DO.

WITH THAT BEING SAID, CONTINUING TO PROVIDE FOLKS THOSE OPPORTUNITIES AND RESOURCES TO BE ABLE TO BE SUCCESSFUL.

AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, I LOVE WHAT SEAN DOES AT BAM.

I'’VE ALWAYS BEEN A HUGE DAN OF B -- FAN OF BAM.

I LOVE THAT WE ARE PROMOTING FATHERHOOD.

THESE ARE ALL THINGS, YOU TALK ABOUT SOCIAL EMOTIONAL, THE LACK OF FATHER, NO, WE HAVE FOLKS THAT CAN GET BACK TO OUR YOUNG MEN AND WOMEN.

WE ARE PROVIDING THOSE SPACES FOR THAT TO BE THERE.

IT IS A SENSE OF NORMALCY.

IT IS SOME THAT SHOULD BE HAPPENING AND IT IS SOMETHING WE ALL STAND ON.

CALLIE: VERY QUICKLY TELL ME HOW YOU SAW SOME OF THE YOUNG PEOPLE YOU YOU HAVE TO TALK TO AFTER THESE INCIDENTS RESPOND TO THE FACT THE YOU ARE AVAILABLE, A BLACK MAN YOURSELF SPEAKING TO THESE THINGS.

>> IT IS SOMETHING THAT THEY FELT AND THEY KNEW, IT IS A REASSURANCE THAT IS THE RIGHT SPACE AND AROUND THE RIGHT PEOPLE.

CALLIE: THAT BLACK B MEN CAN SPEAK.

THANK YOU ALSO MUCH, DOES END OF THE BROADCAST AND THE SHOW, NOW STAY WITH US AS WE CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION ON OUR DIGITAL PLATFORMS.

YOUTUBE AND FACEBOOK.