>> DEBATES, POLITICAL ADS AND POLES GO OR THE 2024 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION IS IN FULL SWING.

WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT.

BUT CAMPAIGN SEASON ALSO BRINGS MISINFORMATION AND ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE.

HE'S TAKING THE STAGE THIS CYCLE.

JOINING US TO TALK ABOUT THE IMPLICATIONS OF AI IN THIS ELECTION ARE JENNIFER TO WINTER DEAN OF THE LEWIS COLLEGE OF SCIENCE AND LETTERS AT THE ILLINOIS INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY AND CHRISTIAN HAMM AND A PROFESSOR OF COMPUTER SCIENCE AT NORTHWESTERN UNIVERSITY.

WELCOME TO BOTH OF YOU.

JENNIFER DE WINTER NEWS TODAY THAT META, THE PARENT COMPANY OF FACEBOOK.

WELL, TAKE DOWN THIS ALTERED VIDEO.

PRESIDENT BIDEN, WHICH WAS ALTERED BY HUMAN BEING APPARENTLY NOT AI.

WHAT WAS THEIR REASONING SHARRA.

SO THIS VIDEO IS RECASTING PRESIDENT BIDEN AS A POSSIBLE PEDOPHILE AND >> A META HAS A SUBSIDIARY COMPANY, A SPINOFF THAT THEY CONTROL AND FUN TO DO AT THE CULL REASONING.

AND ACCORDING TO MEDICS POLICIES MANIPULATION BY HUMANS OF HUMAN GENERATED CONTENT DOESN'T ACTUALLY FALL UNDER THIS POLICY THAT THEY HAVE AND ALSO THE ERA POLICY ISN'T ATTENDING TO MANIPULATION OF SPEECH.

AND SO THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF HOLES HAPPEN IN THIS POLICY THAT THEY WERE TRYING TO USE TO ADDRESS THE ANTICIPATED COMPLICATIONS AROUND THE CYCLE AND THIS COMPLETELY SIDESTEPPED AS AN INDEPENDENT OVERSIGHT BOARD THAT WAS PRETTY CRITICAL OF THEM.

KEEPING VIDEO OF YOU THINK THAT REASONING IS VALID?

>> NO, NOT AT ALL.

NOT AT ALL.

I MEAN, WE KEEP THINKING THAT THE PROBLEMS ARE ISN'T DONE BY HUMAN.

DONE BY MACHINE AND IT'S IT'S WHAT IS THE RESULT WAS THE OUTCOME?

WHAT IS THE IMPACT AND A VIDEO THAT LIES IS A VIDEO THAT LIVES.

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO PRODUCED IT.

IT'S A VIDEO THAT LIES AND GETTING AROUND IT BY SAYING, OH, NO, THIS IS NOT IT'S NOT DEEP, FAKE.

IT'S CHEAP.

FAKE.

IT'S LIKE A WHO CARES AT ITS AND ITS EDITED VERSION OF THE HIGHLY EDITED VERSION OF THE WORLD.

THAT IS NOT A REAL REPRESENTATION OF THE WORLD, RIGHT.

CERTAINLY DEFAMATORY CONTENT.

IF THAT'S THAT NOT WHAT REALLY I MEAN, >> TO PRESENT THE PRESIDENT IN A WAY LIKE THAT THAT JENNIFER.

FOLKS ARE LYING A WHOLE LOT ON SOCIAL MEDIA COMPANIES TO BASICALLY POLICE THEMSELVES ON WHAT IS WHAT IS THEIR ROLE IN PARSING OUT THE DEEP FAKES IN THE ALTERED VIDEOS?

NOTHING UNTIL THEY'RE TOLD WHAT THEIR ROLE IS.

RIGHT.

LIKE THIS IS THE PROBLEM OF ANY FROM A SELF-POLICING IS THAT PEOPLE ONLY POLICED EDGE.

>> OF WHERE IT STARTS REALLY AFFECTING PROFIT.

AND SO IF WE ACTUALLY WANT SOCIAL MEDIA TO HAVE A MEANINGFUL ROLE IN THE SORT OF SELF-POLICING AND NEEDS TO COME FROM THE GOVERNMENT FIRST, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT CHRIS HAMMOND DIFFERENT COUNTRIES HAVE DIFFERENT.

>> REGULATIONS AROUND THIS.

CONGRESS HELD HEARINGS.

SHOULD THEY COME TOGETHER AND COME UP WITH SOME LIST?

THE STANDARD FOR THESE, WE SHOULD SAY, PRIVATE COMPANIES.

>> A CERTAINLY I THE THE NOTION THAT YOU'RE NOT ONLY, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SUPPORT MEDIA.

THAT IS THAT IS A DIRECTOR OF MISREPRESENTATION WHERE THE POINT OF THAT MEDIA IS TO MISREPRESENT AS OPPOSED TO SATIRICAL NOT MEAN HOLDING THE SOCIAL MEDIA COMPANY'S FEET TO THE FIRE.

WITH REGARD TO THAT IS I THINK SUPER IMPORTANT.

BUT THE REALITY IS, IS THAT OF ALL THE PLACES WHERE WE'VE GOT TO WORRY ABOUT DEEP, FAKE SOCIAL MEDIA PROBABLY A TINY SLIVER.

I MEAN, A TINY SLIVER SOMEWHERE ELSE DOING IT OR THERE WAS THE ROBOT IS THE ROBO CALL OF BIDEN SAYING THINGS THAT BIDEN NEVER SAID BECAUSE THE MACHINE IS SAYING IT FOR HIM.

WE'RE GOING TO START SEEING VIDEOS THAT WILL BE REGULAR NEWS OUTLETS OF OF OF BIDEN DOING THINGS OF TRUMP DOING THINGS AND THEN WE'LL HAVE THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN.

AND THAT IS THERE IS A PICTURE OF TRUMP COMING OUT OF THE COURTROOM WITH THIS HAND UP AND HE HAD THESE LITTLE RED DOT TO PEOPLE LIKE IS HE SICK?

IS THIS, YOU KNOW?

AND THEY ASKED HIM ABOUT IT.

HE SAID, I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS.

MAYBE AND SAY AYE.

AND SO WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS NO MATTER WHERE THE VIDEO COMES FROM, NO MATTER WHERE THE IMAGES COME FROM, NO MATTER WHERE THE AUDIO COMES FROM.

WE'RE NOW LIVING IN A WORLD WHERE WE HAVE TO DISTRUST.

WE HAVE TO BE SKEPTICAL AND WE HAVE TO ACTUALLY HAVE REAL JUDGMENT ABOUT.

WHAT'S TRUE AND WHAT'S NOT IS GOING TO BE ADDED RESPONSIBILITY FOR NEWS ORGANIZATIONS LIKE OURSELVES TO FOR PERHAPS NOT.

>> NOT GO WITH A VIDEO OR PICTURE THAT WE GET RIGHT AWAY BEFORE WE TRULY CHECK THAT.

SO JENNIFER, TO WINTER, WHAT ARE YOU EXPECTING IN THIS ELECTION CYCLE IN TERMS OF OF HOW PREVALENT DEEPFAKES AN FAKERY.

IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE CHRIS SAID, WE'VE ALREADY SEEN SOME OF IT.

SURE.

I MEAN, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ANYTHING NEW IN MANY WAYS, RIGHT?

WE ALREADY CAME OUT OF THE 2020 CYCLE WHERE WE SAW BUTTS COMING IN AND RE-IMAGINING OUR POLITICAL LANDSCAPE.

>> IT'S OFTEN ORGANIZED AT THE LEVEL OF NATION STATE.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF RESOURCES TO DO THIS.

I THINK THE TALENTED GENERATIVE AI IS IT SUPERCHARGE.

IS IT BECAUSE I DON'T NEED TO MANAGE A HUGE CENTERS ABOUT CREATORS, FAKE COLORS OR WHATEVER.

I ACTUALLY NEED MUCH.

IF YOU ARE HUMAN DEDICATED TO THAT.

SO WE'RE WE'VE ALREADY STARTED SEEING IT RIGHT.

LIKE WE'VE ALREADY STARTED SEEING THE FAKE VIDEOS, THE FAKE PHONE CALLS.

AND I DON'T THINK IT'S JUST ON NEWS ORGANIZATIONS TO BE CAREFUL IN VETTING BECAUSE I THINK EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING EVENTUALLY PEOPLE ARE JUST GOING TO DISTRUST REAL NEWS AS WELL BECAUSE THAT WILL THEN BE CLIPPED OUT AND REPACKAGED AS THIS WAS MADE UP.

THIS IS THIS IS RECYCLED.

AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE IS AN INTENSIFICATION OF KIND OF BIAS CONFIRMATION.

AND THAT'S WHAT ALL OF THIS IS TO BE.

THAT IF LIKE A VIDEO IS SET TAKEN OFF OF FACEBOOK BECAUSE IT WAS DEEMED TO BE FALSE INFORMATION.

>> FOLKS THAT BELIEVE THAT SAY FACEBOOK IS BIASED OR FOLKS THAT ARE TAKING OFF.

SO PEOPLE BELIEVE WHAT THEY WANT TO BELIEVE.

>> YEAH.

I MEAN, THERE IS THAT MOMENT IF YOU SEE IF YOU SEE A PIECE OF CONTENT AND YOU REALLY THINK, OH, NO, I THIS IS ACTUALLY CONFIRMING EVERYTHING I EVER BELIEVED ABOUT THIS GUY.

PROBABLY GOING TO BE FALSE BECAUSE IT WAS DESIGNED TO IT WAS DESIGNED FOR YOU TO AGREE WITH OR ITS DESIGN TERMS BEING NEGATIVE OR DESIGNED TO SKEW YOU TO MAKE YOU THINK HE'S HE OR SHE IS DOING SOMETHING THAT THEY HAVEN'T DONE.

THE THING IS THAT THIS IS THE DISTURBING THING SO 2 DAYS AGO THERE WAS UK COMPANY IN HONG KONG THAT HAD A ZOOM MEETING WAS A FINANCIAL GUY RUNNING FINANCES WITH THE CEO.

THE CO AND AT THE END OF THE MEETING, THEY TOLD HIM TO TRANSFER FUNDS AND IT WAS FANTASTIC.

HE TRANSFERRED ABOUT 25 MILLION DOLLARS INTO AN ACCOUNT.

NEITHER THE CEO THE CFO WAS A REAL PERSON.

I MEAN, THE CEO OF THE CEO WAS A REAL PERSON.

IT WAS COMPLETELY GENERATED BY MACHINE.

AND WE'RE NOW ENTERING A WORLD WHERE UNLESS YOU CAN REALLY HAVE A CONVERSATION THAT'S DEEP AND AN IMPACTFUL WITH SOMEONE AND YOU CAN GET TO SOMETHING REAL IN TERMS OF CONNECTION.

IT'S WHERE COMING CLOSE TO DOUBTING ZOOM MEETING.

WOW.

THINK TWICE BEFORE YOU WIRE ON SOME OF THESE >> JENNIFER, IS IT POSSIBLE TO TRACK DOWN THE FOLKS THAT ARE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR SOME OF THE SPECIAL IS GENERATIVE AI.

I MEAN, THERE'S LEAST SOME PERSON THAT SET THIS UP, CORRECT OR NO?

IS IT HARD TO DO THAT?

NO, IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO DO THAT.

RIGHT NOW.

WE'RE IN THE CYBER CRIME RANGE.

SO WE ALREADY KNOW THAT ONCE PROBABLY IS GENERATED, IT'S GOING TO START GOING THROUGH A SERIES OF DIGITAL PROCESSEES THAT MASK.

>> THE IP ADDRESSES THAT ARE COMING FROM IT.

BECAUSE HUMANS, ESPECIALLY AI GENERATED, THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A HUMAN FINGERPRINT ON THAT AT A CERTAIN POINT, RIGHT?

IT'S ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE ONLY GENERATED FINGERPRINTS.

AND SO WHAT ARE YOU TRACKING AT THAT POINT?

THEN?

IT'S JUST GOING TO BE VERY CAREFUL SLEUTHING THROUGH A DIGITAL ERA.

AND WE ALREADY KNOW THAT WE HAVE PROBLEMS DOING THAT.

WELL, FOLKS.

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