>> CAMPUS PROTESTS TURN CHAOTIC TRUMP'S PLAN FOR MASS DEPORTATIONS... AND IS TIKTOK A NATIONAL SECURITY THREAT?

CONGRESS THINKS SO.

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♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> GOOD EVENING.

WELCOME TO IVORY TOWER.

I'M DAVID CHANATRY, FROM UTICA UNIVERSITY.

I'M JOINED THIS WEEK BY NINA MOORE FROM COLGATE UNIVERSITY, AARON STRONG FROM HAMILTON COLLEGE, TARA ROSS FROM ONONDAGA COMMUNITY COLLEGE AND BEN BAUGHMAN FROM GANNON UNIVERSITY.

THE CAMPUS PROTESTS OVER GAZA TOOK A TURN THIS WEEK.

PROTESTS SPREAD TO DOZENS OF CAMPUSES.

ON SOME, STUDENTS TOOK OVER CAMPUS BUILDINGS.

POLICE RESPONDED, ARRESTING MORE THAN 2,000 PEOPLE ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

IN NEW YORK CITY, POLICE REMOVED PROTESTERS WHO HAD OCCUPIED AN ADMINISTRATION BUILDING; IN CALIFORNIA, THE LAPD USED STUN GRENADES AS IT DISMANTLED AN ENCAMPMENT AT UCLA.

PRESIDENT BIDEN FINALLY SPOKE OUT ABOUT THE PROTESTS; CONGRESS IS THREATENING FEDERAL AID TO UNIVERSITIES WHO DON'T DO MORE TO CURB ANTI-SEMITISM.

THERE'S A LOT TO DISCUSS •WHERE IS THE BOUNDARY BETWEEN FREE SPEECH AND SAFETY?

NINA?

>> WELL, THAT BOUNDARY IS THE POINT AT WHICH FREE SPEECH ENCROACHES ON SAFETY.

I'M THINKING HERE ABOUT THE OLD ADAGE THAT YOUR RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH, DAVE, STOPS AT MY NOSE.

AND SO THAT, TO ME, IS JUST A NO BRAINER.

SO I'M TROUBLED BY WHAT SEEM TO BE THE MORAL AMBIVALENCE OF CAMPUS LEADERS AS TO WHEN THINGS HAD GOTTEN OUT OF HAND.

NOW, THIS ISN'T TO SAY THAT THE PROTESTORS AND THE COUNTERPROTESTORS DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY, AND PERHAPS EVEN DO THINGS THAT MAKE OTHERS UNCOMFORTABLE.

THAT IS THE POINT OF GOING TO COLLEGE, TO LEARN HOW TO INTERACT WITH OTHERS WHO HAVE DIFFERENT VIEWS, WHO ARE DIFFERENT FROM YOU.

HOWEVER, WHEN THAT EXERCISE OF FREE SPEECH TURNS INTO TARGETING THOSE ON THE BASIS OF RACE, COLOR, NATIONAL CREED, SEXUAL ORIENTATION, RELIGION, THAT'S HATE SPEECH.

BUT IF I COULD JUST SAY ONE OTHER THING HERE.

IT'S MORE THAN JUST THE RIGHTS OF THE PROTESTORS THAT ARE AT ISSUE HERE.

THERE IS ALSO THE RIGHT OF THE COUNTER PROTESTORS WHO SHOULD HAVE EQUAL SPACE TO WHATEVER THE ENCAMPMENT SPACES WERE.

THERE IS ALSO THE RIGHT OF THE THOUSANDS OF STUDENTS WHO PAID SOME $100,000 TO GET AN EDUCATION AND AT THIS TIME, TO FINISH EXAMS.

THERE ARE ALSO THE CONCERNS OF ALUMNI WHO HAVE SKIN IN THE GAME AND THEN FINALLY I WOULD SAY, ALSO, DONORS WHO ALSO HAVE LITERALLY MONEY IN THE GAME.

SO IT IS A BALANCING ACT.

BUT ALL OF THOSE INTERESTS, IN MY VIEW, ARE TRUMPED BY PUBLIC SAFETY.

>> AND SO THE PRESIDENTS AND THE ADMINISTRATION OF ALL THESE SCHOOLS HAVE A-- THEY'RE IN A DIFFICULT SPOT.

HOW SHOULD THEY RESPOND NOW?

WHAT SHOULD THEY DO?

>> WELL, HERE'S THE THING.

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE NEWS WITH THESE VIOLENT CRACKDOWNS AND ERUPTIONS OF PROTESTORS AND COUNTER PROTESTORS AT UCLA, ET CETERA.

BUT WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED AT BROWN UNIVERSITY OR THE UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA WHERE THE ADMINISTRATION HAS ACTUALLY GOTTEN INTO TALKS WITH THE PROTESTORS, TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEIR DEMANDS ARE, NOT NECESSARILY DOING WHATEVER THEY'RE DEPENDING, BUT-- DEMANDING BUT FOCUSING ON DIALOGUE FIRST, NOT SENDING IN THE POLICE TO VIOLENTLY CRACKDOWN ON THE PROTESTORS.

THE TRUTH IS THE VAST, VAST MAJORITY OF THESE PROTESTORS ARE STUDENTS AND FACULTY ANGRY ABOUT THE MASS DEATH IN GAZA.

THEY'RE NOT HAMAS.

MANY OF THEM ARE JEWISH.

THE 65-YEAR-OLD HEAD OF JEWISH STUDIES AT DARTMOUTH WAS THROWN TO THE GROUND FOR STANDING IN SUPPORT OF STUDENTS WHO WERE PROTESTING.

THE NARRATIVE HERE IS ONE THAT IS REALLY HARD TO CONTROL FOR UNIVERSITY AND COLLEGE PRESIDENTS.

THEY BANT TO BE SEEN-- THEY WANT TO BE SEEN AS RESPONSIVE.

THEY'RE RESPONDING TO A LOT OF DIFFERENT CONSTITUENTS.

FUNDAMENTALLY, I THINK THE SORT OF THING WE NEED TO KEEP IN MIND WHAT WE HAVE SITUATIONS LIKE THIS IS THAT IT IS ONLY A FEW AGITATORS AND FEW VIOLENT ACTIVISTS THAT GET ALL THE ATTENTION AND ALL THE NEWS WHEN REALLY THERE ARE PATHWAYS FORWARD FOR DIALOGUE THAT DOES EXIST AND WE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT HOW TO DO THAT.

>> IT WOULD WORK IF IT WERE JUST STUDENTS.

UNFORTUNATELY 40% ARE NOT STUDENTS THAT ARE AFFILIATED IN THE SCHOOL IN ANY WAY.

>> AT COLUMBIA.

>> ACROSS THE BOARD THEY'VE STARTED TO SEE THAT THERE IS A MOVEMENT THAT IS NOT GRASS MOVEMENT THAT HAS BEEN BEHIND THIS FUNDED BY DIFFERENT SHELL COMPANIES THAT ARE DIRECTLY SIDE TO PRO-HAMAS COMPANIES.

SO THAT FUNDING IS BEING PAID FOR AND AGITATED VERSUS IT BEING JUST VOICES THAT NEED TO BE HEARD.

AND THAT'S DETRACTING FROM THE MESSAGE THAT THE STUDENTS GENUINELY WANT TO GET OUT.

>> WHEN YOU ARE CHANTING INTIFADA, THAT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A PEACEFUL MESSAGE NECESSARILY.

>> AND THAT'S ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT I SEE WITH MANY OF THESE PROTESTS.

BECAUSE MANY OF THE STUDENTS, WHAT IS MOTIVATING THEMING STARTED OUT AS I WANT TO DO SOMETHING.

I WANT TO SAY SOMETHING BECAUSE THIS IS HORRIBLE.

THEY BECOME INVOLVED.

BUT AS THIS MOVEMENT ON THESE CAMPUSES HAS BUILT, IN A SENSE, THE STUDENT LEADERS OFTEN KIND OF LOSE CONTROL OF THE MOVEMENT.

AND I THINK IN SOME CASES, SOME OF THE STUDENT LEADERS HAVE DONE EXACTLY THAT.

THEY THEMSELVES HAVE LOST CONTROL OF THE MESSAGING.

THEY HAVE LOST CONTROL OF SORT OF, OKAY, THIS IS THE NEXT EVENT OR ACTION WE ARE GOING TO TAKE.

>> YEAH, I ALMOST WONDER IF THEY EVER REALLY HAD CONTROL TO BEGIN WITH.

AND I AGREE WITH WHAT EVERYONE HAS SAID ABOUT THE SMALLER PERCENTAGE OF OUTSIDE AGITATORS AND THOSE WHO ARE ENGAGING IN HATE SPEECH.

BUT AS TO THE CORE EFFORTS, THE BOYCOTT DIVESTMENT SANCTIONS MOVEMENT DIDN'T JUST BEGIN WITH OCTOBER 7.

THAT HAS BEEN IN PLACE SINCE 2005.

SO THERE IS A LARGER AGENDA THAT HAS CONVERGED ON COLLEGE CAMPUSES.

ONE COULD ARGUE, IN A WAY THAT SORT OF LEVERAGES WHAT HAPPENED ON OCTOBER 7.

THE OTHER THING I'LL SAY TO JUST SORT OF DRILL DOWN A LITTLE BIT MORE ON WHAT I MENTIONED LAST WEEK, AND THAT IS WHAT IS THE GOAL?

LIKE IT OR NOT THERE HAS TO BE A 51% MAJORITY OF LAWMAKERS AND VOTERS WHO ULTIMATELY GET BEHIND THIS IF YOU WANT TO GO PAST CAMPUSES TO GET CHANGE.

AND ALL OF THE PUBLIC OPINION DATA SHOW THAT THE CAMPUS PROTESTS ARE HURTING THE CAUSE MORE THAN HELPING.

>> YOU MENTIONED LAWMAKERS AND, OF COURSE, CONGRESS IS PRACTICALLY FALLING OVER THEMSELVES TO WEIGH IN ON THIS.

AND PASS A BIPARTISAN BILL THAT INCLUDES WHAT SEEMS LIKE, YOU KNOW,RESTRICTIONS ON SPEECH, CRITICISMS OF ISRAEL COULD BE OUTLAWED ACCORDING TO THAT.

>> THAT'S RIDICULOUS.

>> PART OF THE PROBLEM IS THAT THESE SCHOOLS ARE ALSO SETTING THEMSELVES UP FOR LAWSUITS UNDER TITLE VI BY JUMPING IN THERE.

SO-- OR NOT JUMPING IN THERE, I SHOULD SAY, BY NOT DOING ENOUGH.

AND THE PROBLEM WITH THIS IS WE HAVE SEEN THE LARGE PORTION OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ARRESTED ARE NOT THE STUDENTS OR FACULTY AND THEY ARE, IN FACT, DIRECTLY THE AGITATORS THAT ARE FACILITATING BEYOND WHAT IS TYPICAL OF PROTESTING.

>> THE THING WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT IS IN THE LONG ARC OF HISTORY, WHEN HAVE STUDENT PROTESTORS ACTUALLY BEEN ON THE WRONG SIDE OF HISTORY?

YOU KNOW, IT CAN TAKE A LONG TIME FOR BIG MOVEMENTS OF PROTESTS TO END RACIAL SEGREGATION, TO END APARTHEID IN SOUTH AFRICA.

THERE WAS A DIVESTMENT MOVEMENT THROUGHOUT THE 1960s AND 70s INTO THE 80s TO DIVEST FROM COMPANIES THAT WERE INVESTED IN APARTHEID SOUTH AFRICA AND ULTIMATELY IT WAS SUCCESSFUL AND IT WAS BRUTALLY CRACKED DOWN.

STUDENTS WERE TOLD THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT AND THIS WASN'T POSSIBLE.

WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND IT IS NOT GOING TO BE AN IMMEDIATE RESPONSE OF A CHANGE IN NARRATIVE IN THE PUBLIC.

YOU ARE NOT GOING TO IMMEDIATELY HAVE TREMENDOUS SUPPORT IN THIS BUT YOU ARE SEEING AN ATTEMPT TO TRY THE CHANGE TO THE NARRATIVE IN THE LONG RUN AND THAT'S A VERY LONG AND HARD PROCESS AND NOT ALWAYS SUCCESSFUL.

BUT HISTORY DOES SHOW IT'S LIKELY EVENTUALLY TO BE SUCCESSFUL.

>> BUT AARON, I HAVE TO DISAGREE WITH YOU ON THE SOUTH AFRICA ANTI-APARTHEID MOVEMENTS.

I WAS PART OF THOSE AND THOSE WERE VERY DIFFERENT FROM THESE.

WE SET UP SHANTY TOWNS ON CAMPUS AND THE WHOLE STRATEGY WAS VERY DIFFERENT.

BUT TO MAKE THIS FINAL POINT, CURRENTLY 80% OF AMERICANS SUPPORT ISRAEL MORE THAN HAMAS.

59% BELIEVE THAT ANTI-SEMITISM IS A PROBLEM ON COLLEGE CAMPUSES AND 80% BELIEVE THAT THOSE WHO ARE CALLING FOR VIOLENCE SHOULD BE SUSPENDED.

BUT I AGREE WITH YOU WHOLEHEARTEDLY, THOSE NUMBERS CAN MOVE.

BUT THE PROTESTORS HAVE TO THINK ABOUT HOW TO MOVE THEM.

>> OKAY, WE'LL HAVE TO GET-- I'M SURE WE'LL GET BACK TO THIS IN THE WEEKS AHEAD BECAUSE THIS DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT'S GOING TO GO AWAY.

IN TWO INTERVIEWS WITH TIME MAGAZINE, FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP DISCUSSED SOME OF HIS PLANS FOR A SECOND TERM.

SHOULD HE WIN.

AMONG THEM, USING THE NATIONAL GUARD AND POSSIBLY THE MILITARY TO DEPORT MILLIONS OF UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS.

HE'S SAID HE'LL BUILD MASS DEPORTATION CAMPS IF NECESSARY.

A RECENT POLL FROM THE DIGITAL NEWS SITE AXIOS FOUND MOST AMERICANS SUPPORT MASS DEPORTATION.

AARON, WHAT WOULD SUCH ACTION MEAN FOR AMERICA?

>> IF WE LOOK AT AMERICAN HISTORY, NONE OF THIS IS NEW IN 185 55 IN WHRUFL KENTUCKY, THE KNOW NOTHING RIOTS, ANTI-CATHOLIC IMMIGRANT ACCUSED CATHOLICS WHO ARE NOT CITIZENS OF FLOODING THE POLLS TO VOTE IN THE GUBERNATORIAL ELECTION AND 22 PEOPLE WERE KILLED IN ANTI-IMMIGRANT VIOLENCE.

IN 1954, THERE WAS OPERATION RACIAL SLUR.

ACTUALLY I WON'T SAY WHAT THE OPERATION WAS OFFICIALLY TITLED BY THE IMMIGRATION AND NATURALIZATION SERVICE THAT DEPORTED HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF MEXICANS, MANY OF WHOM WERE AMERICAN CITIZENS TO MEXICO AND THAT WAS 70 YEARS AGO.

SO THERE IS A LONG HISTORY OF SORT OF ANTI-IMMIGRANT SENTIMENT AND OF COURSE A LONG HISTORY IN WHICH POLITICAL SENSIBILITY TO TAP INTO THAT TO FIND SOMEBODY TO BLAME FOR THE PROBLEMS THAT EXIST RIGHT NOW AND TO ARTICULATE A POLICY OF MASS DEPORTATION FALLS EXACTLY IN LINE WITH WHAT WE SAW IN THE 19th CENTURY AND 20th CENTURY AND I DO THINK THAT IN TRUMP IS ELECTED, HE WILL MOVE FORWARD ON THESE POLICIES.

SO IT'S NOT JUST RHETORIC IS MY POINT.

>> YOU CAN'T JUST ROUND PEOPLE UP, WHICH SEEMS TO BE WHAT HE IS SAYING.

THEY HAVE DUE PROCESS RIGHTS, DON'T THEY, NINA?

>> THEY HAVE DUE PROCESS RIGHTS, BUT WHATEVER THEY ARE, AARON IS RIGHT, AND I'M NOT GOING TO GO AS FAR BACK AS AARON ON THIS, WE HAVE AN EXTENDED HISTORY OF REMOVALS, DEPORTATIONS, APPREHENSIONS, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO CHARACTERIZE THEM, AND THEY HAVE NOT NECESSARILY BEEN ON JUST ONE SIDE OF THE AISLE.

CLINTON IS RESPONSIBLE FOR OVER 12 MILLION DEPORTATIONS BUSH FOR I THINK 10 MILLION.

OBAMA CAME IN LOWER AT 5 MILLION.

SO THEY'RE THERE.

WHATEVER THE DUE PROCESS IS.

NOW I WILL AGREE WITH YOU THAT THERE IS A DUE PROCESS ISSUE HERE SIMPLY BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH JUDGES AT THE BORDER TO QUICKLY PROCESS THOSE WHO ARE TRYING TO COME THROUGH.

I WANTED TO ALSO ADD TO THIS CONVERSATION THAT I THINK THE PUBLIC IS WRONG ON THIS ISSUE.

I THINK IT'S WRONG THAT OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF AMERICANS ACTUALLY SUPPORT DEPORTATION.

THAT ACTUALLY CROSSES RACIAL, PARTISAN, AGE AND GENDER LINES.

AND ALSO THAT MOST AMERICANS HAVE PRIORITIZED IMMIGRATION RIGHT UP THERE WITH PRICE INCREASES AND INFLATION, BUT I'LL SAY WHAT I HAVE SAID IN THE PAST IN MY CLASSES, THAT JUST BECAUSE THE MAJORITY RULES DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE MAJORITY IS RIGHT EVEN THOUGH IF YOU WANT TO GET THINGS CHANGED, AS I SAID BEFORE, AND IT'S FOR THE REASONS THAT AARON MENTIONED; THAT THIS IS ABOUT SCAPEGOATING.

THIS IS ABOUT CONVINCING WHAT IS REALLY A LARGE PART OF THE MAGA BASE THAT THE REASON PRICES ARE HIGH, THE REASON YOU CAN'T GET A JOB, THE REASON THAT COLLEGE EDUCATION IS OUT OF YOUR REACH IS BECAUSE OF THOSE DARNED IMMIGRANTS.

IT IS A STRATEGY THAT IS TRIED AND TRUE AND THAT HAS GONE BACK TO THE BEGINNING OF THE THIS COUNTRY.

>> AND TARA,I MEAN NINA MENTIONED INFLATION BUT THERE IS AN ECONOMIC IMPACT OF REMOVING MILLIONS OF PEOPLE.

>> OH THERE ABSOLUTELY IS, ESPECIALLY IF YOU THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS NOT THE BIGGEST BUT WHAT IS A BIG PORTION OF WHAT THOSE MILLION PEOPLE DO, WHICH IS YOUR MIGRANT WORKERS, YOUR DAY LABORERS, YOUR FOLKS WHO TAKE THE MINIMUM WAGE ENTRY LEVEL JOBS IN MANY AREAS.

SO ABSOLUTELY THIS WOULD HAVE AN IMPACT.

I JUST WANT TO SAY ONE OTHER THING IN TERMS OF THE HISTORY.

YOU ARE RIGHT, WE HAVE A LONG HISTORY IN THIS COUNTRY OF SCAPEGOATING IMMIGRANTS.

BUT THE BIG DIFFERENCE HERE-- AND WE DO NEED TO PAY ATTENTION TO THIS-- IS THE FACT THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS COMING INTO THE COUNTRY IN MASSIVE NUMBERS, WHEREAS IN YEARS BEFORE, THE ATTITUDE WAS THE SAME, BUT YOU HAD A MUCH MORE STRUCTURED, MOST OF THESE PEOPLE HAD COME IN, HAD BEEN ALLOWED IN, YOU KNOW, AND THEY HAD TO GO WHETHER IT WAS ELLIS ISLAND OR WHAT HAVE YOU, THEY HAD TO COME IN.

NOW YOU HAVE PEOPLE JUST SORT OF FLOODING ACROSS THE BOARDER AND AS WE KNOW, THIS IS NOT JUST PEOPLE OF HISPANIC ORIGIN.

YOU HAVE MORE AFRICANS COMING IN THROUGH THE ENTRY WAY, YOU HAVE ASIAN IMMIGRANTS COMING IN THROUGH THE ENTRY WAY, SO THERE ARE SOME DISTINCTIONS.

BUT I DO AGREE THAT THIS WILL HAVE A VERY DEVASTATING IMPACT ON AMERICA BECAUSE RIGHTLY OR WRONGLY, MANY AMERICANS WHO COULD TAKE THOSE JOBS, WON'T TAKE THEM BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT THAT THEY'RE PAID, ET CETERA.

>> AND PART OF THIS IS, HE HAS TALKED ABOUT ENDING BIRTH RIGHT CITIZENSHIP BY PROCLAMATION.

THAT WOULD BE QUITE A STEP, BEN.

>> IT WOULD BE, BUT I CAN'T LET THE TERRORIST-- PEOPLE CROSSING THAT ARE ON THE TERRORIST WATCH LIST, THAT'S A FACT.

AND NOT ONLY THAT, BECAUSE TEXAS HAS BEEN SUCCESSFUL, TO SOME EXTENT, THEY HAVE HAD TO START YOS CROSSING IN OTHER AREAS WHERE THEY TYPICALLY HAVEN'T, TO THE LARGE NUMBERS.

GOING BACK TO THE ECONOMIC CONCERNS, THAT IS PROJECTED TO BE ALMOST A PERCENT AND A HALF WHICH DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A LOT, BUT OVER 10 YEARS, THAT'S $4.7 TRILLION IF MASS DEPORTATIONS TAKE PLACE.

>> YOU KNOW, WHEN THE BRIDGE COLLAPSED IN BALTIMORE, AND THE SIX CONSTRUCTION WORKERS WERE KILLED, THEY WERE ALL IMMIGRANTS.

I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WERE UNDOCUMENTED OR NOT.

>> SO HERE IS THE LESS POPULAR VIEWPOINT THAT I WILL HOLD TO BECAUSE IT'S BACKED UP BY RESEARCH.

AND THAT IS THE ECONOMIC IMPACT ABOUT WHICH WE SHOULD WORRY MOST, IS THE ECONOMIC IMPACT ON THE LOW SKILLED LABOR STOCK IN THE U.S. AND ESPECIALLY MINE OR THE WORK HOA-- MINORITY WORKERS.

MINORITY WORKERS ARE SIGNIFICANTLY DISPLACED BY THOSE WHO ARE IMMIGRATING AT LOW SKILL LEVELS.

WE NEED A MUCH MORE SURGICAL APPROACH THAN I THINK TRUMP WILL EVER BE FER CAPABLE OF ENVISIONING, NOR FOR THAT MATTER, BEING INTERESTED IN.

DACA AND DAPA MUST STAY AND WE MUST THINK ABOUT SKILL LEVELS AND A WAY TO DO THIS THAT IS HUMANE.

>> BEFORE WE MOVE ON, THERE IS ALSO THE ISSUE THAT SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT HERE LEGALLY HAVE CHILDREN WHO ARE.

SO THEN WHAT HAPPENS.

OUR FRIENDS IN WASHINGTON ACTUALLY DID IT.

THE BIG FOREIGN AID BILL FOR UKRAINE, ISRAEL AND THE FAR-EAST, ALSO INCLUDED A PROVISION TO FORCE A SALE OR EVENTUALLY BAN THE POPULAR SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORM TIK TOK.

PRESIDENT BIDEN HAS SIGNED IT INTO LAW.

TIK TOK'S OWNER BYTEDANCE SAYS IT WILL NOT SELL.

THE BILL MAY HAVE BEEN NECESSARY TO PASS THE FOREIGN AID MEASURES, BUT IS IT GOOD POLICY?

>> NO, IT ISN'T GOOD POLICY BECAUSE THERE IS A SUPREME COURT POLICY THAT ADDRESSES THIS ISSUE, 164 LAMONT VERSUS THE POSTMASTER GENERAL THAT SAYS CITIZENS HAVE THE RIGHT TO RECEIVE FOREIGN PROPAGANDA WHICH IS THE BIG CONCERN ABOUT TIKTOK, THERE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE A LOT OF HARD PROOF USED TO ALLOW IN FOREIGN PROPAGANDA, ESPECIALLY PROPAGANDA FROM CHINA, THE INFLUENCE OF CHINESE MISINFORMATION, TO THOSE WHO UTILIZE TIKTOK.

SO WE ALREADY HAVE A SUPREME COURT DECISION THAT, IN A SENSE, ADDRESSES THIS.

BUT IT ALSO ISN'T GOOD FOREIGN POLICY IN THE SENSE THAT WHAT WE NEED IS A POLICY THAT IS UTILIZED FOR TIKTOK, FACEBOOK, ET CETERA, INSTAGRAM, WHICH DEALS WITH HOW TO PROTECT OUR INTERNET USAGE, BASICALLY CYBER SECURITY.

AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS YET TO COME UP WITH A GOOD CYBER SECURITY POLICY THAT REALLY ADDRESSES WHAT IS GOING ON RIGHT NOW.

AND ALSO HAS A FUTURE SENSE OF WHERE CYBER SECURITY NEEDS TO GO.

>> I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO THINK ABOUT THE YOUTH VOTE, RIGHT?

MORE THAN 50% OF YOUNG AMERICANS ARE OPPOSED TO THIS BAN, AND THE STUDENTS IN ALL OF OUR CLASSES USE TIKTOK ALL THE TIME, RIGHT?

AND SO THE VOTERS WHO ARE BETWEEN 18 AND 25, MAYBE THEY DON'T VOTE IN REALLY HIGH NUMBERS, BUT THEY'RE AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE ELECTORATE AND HOW THEY RESPOND AND WHO THEY BLAME IF THIS BLAME COMES TO FRUITION IN TIKTOK SHUTS DOWN IN THE UNITED STATES.

IT WILL HAVE CONSEQUENCES.

I'M OLD ENOUGH TO BE A INSTAGRAM USER BUT NOT A TIKTOK USER BUT I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE AROUND ME ARE OPPOSE TO THE THIS AND WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE POLITICAL CONSIDERATIONS TOO.

>> TARA MADE A GOOD POINT, CYBER INTEL WORLD HAS GROWN 40%.

THAT'S GOOD BUT CONGRESS IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE BEHIND ON TECHNOLOGY.

THE OTHER ISSUE IS THAT BYTEDANCE IS A FOREIGN ENTITY THAT IS NOT JUST PROVIDING PROPAGANDA, BUT THEY ARE COLLECTING A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF DATA AND DETAILS ABOUT THEIR USERS.

AND THAT IS WHERE THE REAL CONCERN IS.

>> SO ISN'T THE CONCERN ABOUT MISINFORMATION, MAYBE IT HASN'T HAPPENED YET, BUT LET'S SAY THERE IS AN ISSUE WITH TAIWAN, THAT SUBTLY PUT INTO THE FEEDS COULD BE INFORMATION FAVORABLE TO CHINA'S POSITION, NOT TO THE U.S. >> YES, ABSOLUTELY.

AND I THINK TARA DID A GOOD JOB OUTLINING THE ISSUES WITH THAT BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, BEING FIRST AMENDMENT ISSUES BUT THE REAL CONCERN IS THE FACT THAT BYTEDANCE HAS DIRECT ACCESS TO THE DATA.

>> AND BYTEDANCE SAYS THEY WON'T SELL, WHICH MEANS... >> THEY WILL SELL OR THEY'LL LOSE IT.

>> NOW IT'S TIME FOR As AND EVERYs.

NINA YOUR A.

>> AN EVERY TO AN-- >> YOUR F, THANK YOU.

>> AN F TO AN OKLAHOMA COUNTRY RADIO STATION THAT INITIALLY REFUSED TO PLAY BEYONCE TEXAS HOLDEN HOLD 'EM SONG.

IT DEBUTED ON THE BILLBOARD HOT 100 AT NUMBER 2, MOVED UP TO NUMBER 1 AND EVEN THOUGH THE ALBUM INCLUDES TRACKS WITH THE EVER SO WONDERFUL DOLLY PARTON AND WILLIE NELSON, IT TOOK FAN OUTCRY TO GET THE STATION TO PLAY BEYONCE'S SONG.

WE HAVE TO WONDER WHY.

>> AARON, YOUR F. >> MY F GOES TO DEER OVER POPULATION.

BASICALLY THERE ARE JUST TOO MANY DEER IN NEW YORK STATE.

ABOUT 1.2 MILLION AND THEY CAUSE OVER 70,000 CAR ACCIDENTS IN OUR STATE EVERY YEAR, CAUSE HUNDREDS OF FATALITY AS ROUND THE COUNTRY, SPREAD DEBILITATING DISEASES AND ARE PESTS EATING BABY TREES PREVENTING OUR FORESTS FROM REGROWING.

THEY'RE ACTUALLY GIANT RATS.

OUR ECOSYSTEM IS OUT OF BALANCE.

WE NEED MORE RECREATIONAL HUNTING AND WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF REINTRODUCTION OF TOP PREDATORS.

IF YOU ARE A HUNT IR, GET OUT THERE AND DO YOUR PART ON THIS PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUE.

>> TARA.

>> MY F GOES TO THE CABLE NEWS TALK C.E.O.S CNN AND MSNBC.

A WEEK AGO WHEN JURY SELECTION BEGAN IN THE TRUMP HUSH MONEY CASE, VIEWERS WERE TREATED TO BREAKING NEWS WHICH FEATURED MANY IMAGES OF TRUMP TRUMP'S MOTORCADE, HALLS OUTSIDE THE COURTROOM, SECURITY CHECK POINT LEADING TO THE COURTROOM, ET CETERA.

WE CONTINUE TO BE FED THOSE IMAGES.

THOSE IMAGES ARE JUST FILLER.

NOT NEWS.

THOSE IMAGES WASTE PRECIOUS TIME WHEN THE TELEVISION STATIONS COULD BE FOCUSING ON REAL ISSUES THAT WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT.

>> CERTAINLY NOT BREAKING-- I HATE THAT PHRASE.

BEN.

>> MY F GOES TO D, D.A.

WATCH THIS.

>> I'M THE DA, I WAS GOING 55 COMING HOME FROM WORK.

>> 55 IN A 35.

>> I DON'T REALLY CARE.

>> OKAY.

CAN YOU PLEASE COME OVER HERE?

THIS IS ON A TRAFFIC STOP, MA'AM.

CAN YOU PLEASE STEP OVER HERE.

>> I'M NOT GOING TO.

>> WHAT IS THE REASON YOU ARE SO AGAINST WHAT I'M DOING?

I'M DOING MY JOB.

YOU SAY YOU ARE A DA?

>> I AM THE DA.

LET ME GET YOU MY BADGE.

I AM THE DA... >> OKAY, NINA, AFTER THAT, YOUR A?

>> TOUGH TO TOP THAT.

>> MY A GOES TO THE NUMBER OF SCHOOLS THAT HAVE BANNED CELL PHONES, INCLUDING A MIDDLE SCHOOL IN CONNECTICUT WHICH DID IT TWO YEARS AGO AND HAS SINCE SEEN MARKED IMPROVEMENT IN STUDENT ATTENTIVENESS, ACADEMIC PERFORMANCE AND EVEN STUDENT HEALTH.

>> AARON.

>> I SURE HOPE WE SEE MORE SCHOOLS TAKE THAT ROUTE.

MY A GOES TO E.P.A.

ADMINISTRATOR MICHAEL REAGAN, THE E.P.A.

ANNOUNCED NEW POLLUTION STANDARDS FOR COAL FIRED POWER PLANTS THAT WOULD LIMIT EMISSIONS CUTTING EMISSIONS BY 90% OR MORE BY THE NEXT DECADE.

WHETHER THE NEW RULES STAND UP IN THE SUPREME COURT REMAIN TO BE SEEN BUT MICHAEL REAGAN WENT FOR IT HERE AND THE HEALTH AND CLIMATE BENEFITS WOULD BE ENORMOUS IF IT IS SUCCESSFUL.

WE CAN'T ADDRESS THE CLIMATE CRISIS WITHOUT CHANGING HOW WE MAKE ELECTRICITY.

>> TARA.

>> I ACTUALLY HAD THE SAME A AS MEAN THEY NINA MOOREA AND WOULD I LIKE TO ADD THAT TEACHERS APPRECIATE THAT STUDENTS ARE CARRYING ON CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM AND THEIR CLASSMATES AND THE STUDENTS THEMSELVES SAY THAT THEY'RE FOCUSING ON THEIR SCHOOL WORK MORE.

I HOPE THIS MOVES INTO HIGHER ED.

>> BEN.

>> MY A GOES TO HOTEL STAFF WHO ENCASED SILVER WEAR IN JELLO AND THE STAR FOR EMBRACING THE CALL BACK TO THIS SCENE FROM THE OFFICE.

>> HOLD ON, HOLD ON.

JUDGE IS IN SESSION.

WHAT IS THE PROBLEM HERE?

>> PUT MY STUFF IN JELLO AGAIN.

>> OKAY.

AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT TO SAY ABOUT THAT.

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