>>> TIME GAG SCBHEEN EDEBITLY CALLED RICHARD POUND ONE OF MOST INFLUENTIAL PEOPLE.

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INTERNATIONAL SPORTS, BUSINESS AND EDUCATION.

HE IS MY GUEST NEXT TON PROFILE IN MONTREAL.

>> HIS FAMILY MOVED OFTEN IN CANADA.

A CHAMPION SWIMMER HE COMPETE IN THE OLYMPICS.

A TAX LAWYER BY PROFESSION AND A PARTNER OF THE GLOBAL LAW FIRM, HE HAS BEEN A MEMBER OF INTERNATIONAL OLYMPIC COMMITTEE FOR OVER 25 YEARS.

HE BUILT THE OLYMPICS INTO A MULTIPLE MILLION DOLLARS INTERADVISE.

HE LED THE INVESTIGATION OF IOC BRIBERY SCANDAL AND FOUNDED THE ANTI-DOPING AGENCY.

HE'S THE AUTHOR OF SEVERAL BOOKS AND RECIPIENT OF NUMEROUS HONORS AND ALSO CHANCELLOR OF MCGILL UNIVERSITY.

THANKS FOR JOINING US.

>> GREAT TO BE HERE.

>> YOU SEEM TO HAVE MOVED A LOT AROUND ONTARY YO, BRITISH COLOMBIA AND BACK TO HERE.

BE ALL THAT MOVING AROUND EFFECT YOUR DRIVE OR IS THAT INHERENT?

>> I DON'T THINK THE MOVING DID.

THE MOVING AROUND TO SMALL SMELLY PAPER TOWNS CONFIRMED MY THOUGHT I SHOULD NEVER BECOME AN ENGINEER BECAUSE I MIGHT END UP LIVING THERE.

THE MOVING WAS GOOD IN THE SENSE IT FORCES YOU EACH TIME YOU ARE IN THE NEW PLACE YOU HAVE TO GET ORIENTED AND MAKE NEW FRIENDS AND FIND YOUR WAY THROUGH THE PARTICULAR COMMUNITY.

THE DRIVE--I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE DRIVE COMES FROM.

>> IT CERTAINLY HAS BEEN--YOU BECAME AN ACCOUNTANT AND DECIDED ALSO YOU NEED A LAW DEGREE MUCH LESS A FEW OTHER DEGREES ALONG THE WAY.

>> YEAH, I THOUGHT FROM THE VERY EARLY AGE I WANTED TO BE A CHARTERED ACCOUNTANT WHICH IS THE SAME AS A CPA IN THE STATES.

AS I WAS DOING THAT.

YOU KNOW THERE'S A HEDGE AGAINST THIS I SHOULD DO AN MBA OR GET A LAW DEGREE.

I OPTED FOR THE LAW WHICH I NEVER REGRETTED.

AT THE END OF THAT I DECIDE AM I GOING TO BE ACCOUNTANT WHO KNOWS LAW OR A LAWYER WHO KNOWS ACCOUNTING.

I OPTED FOR THE LAWYER SIDE.

>> A WISE CHOICE.

OF COURSE YOU'RE A GREAT ATHLETE AND OVER IN CANADA.

YOU'VE BECOME A MEMBER OF INTERNATIONAL OLYMPIC COMMITTEE IN 1978, YOU WERE VICE PRESIDENT FOR TWO TERMS OR DIFFERENT TIMES FOR THE ORGANIZATION.

YOU GOT INCREDIBLE SOLID FINANCIAL FOOTING IN.

2001 AFTER FAILED BID TO BECOME ITS PRESIDENT WHICH WAS A BIG DEAL.

YOU TOOK A BACK SEAT.

WHAT IS YOUR ROLE NOW?

>> A LOT OF IT IS THE SAME AS IT ALWAYS WAS.

I DON'T DO THE TELEVISION AND SPONSORSHIP.

I RUN THE WORLD ANTI-DOPING AGENCY AS A REPRESENTATIVE ON THE BOARD.

I'M THE MEMBER OF MARKETING COMMISSION SO THAT I PROVIDE WHATEVER GUIDE DANCE I CAN BUT INSTITUTIONAL MEMORY.

THERE ARE NOT THAT MANY PEOPLE AROUND TO KNOW HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.

I'M ON THE JUDICIAL COMMISSION WHICH IS THE LEGAL COMMITTEE AND GENERALLY PROVIDE SOME GRAY HAIR.

>> MANY THINK YOU SHOULD HAVE BECOME PRESIDENT BUT THAT CLEANING UP THE SALT LAKE CITY BRIBERY SCANDAL COST YOU THAT ELECTION, YOUR BRUNTNESS OR WHATEVER.

HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT?

>> IT'S SORT OF GOOD AND BAD.

I SORT OF OFFERED MYSELF AS A CANDIDATE TO BE PRESIDENT BECAUSE I FRANKLY THOUGHT I KNEW MORE ABOUT THE IOC AND BUSINESS THAN ANYONE ELSE.

>> A LOT OF PEOPLE THOUGHT YOU WERE A SHOEIN.

>> I DON'T THINK A WILL THE OF PEOPLE THOUGHT THAT.

IT'S A VERY EURO SEN TRICK ORGANIZATION.

THAT MAKES IT HARD TO GO BACK ACROSS THE ATLANTIC.

I WAS A CANADIAN AND A AMERICAN AND USUAL THE POLITICS.

I'M NOT VERY GOOD AT RUNNING A CAMPAIGN FOR MYSELF EARTH.

THE CLEANUP WAS PROBABLY THE PART OF IT.

PEOPLE LIKE THE IDEA OF THE CLEAN ORGANIZATION.

THEY DON'T CARE TOO MUCH FOR THE CLEANERS.

>> INDEED.

HOW WAS THE WORLD ANTI-DOPING AGENCY CREATED AND CODE ESTABLISHED?

THAT WAS A AN IMPORTANT PIECE OF BUSINESS.

>> YES, WE HAD BEEN WRESTLING--DRUG USE IN THE SPORTS--DOPING WHAT THEY CALL IT AND TRYING TO USE WHAT LEVERAGE WE HAD FROM THE OLYMPICS TO FORCE THE NATIONAL OLYMPIC COMMITTEES AND INTERNATIONAL OLYMPIC COMMITTEES TO HAVE STRONG DOPING RULES WITHOUT MUCH SUCCESS.

FINALLY THERE'S A SCANDAL IN THE 1998 TOUR DE FRANCE WHEN THEY DISCOVERED THE FESTINA TEAM CARRIED QUANTITIES OF DOPING STUFF.

>> ALMOST CANCELLED.

>> OUR PRESIDENT WATCHING THIS ON TELEVISION SAID FOR ME THIS IS NOT DOPING OUR LIST IS TOO LONG.

YADA YADA YADA.

HAVING TO FORGET TO INVITE A SPANISH JOURNALIST FOR THE DAY WHO IS SITTING THERE NOT BELIEVING HIS EARS.

WRITING IT ALL DAY.

THE NEXT DAY IT CAME OUT IN THE SPANISH PRESS.

BY THAT TIME OR SHORTLY THERE AFTER WE HAD TO CALL A MEETING OF THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE AND SAY WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT THIS?

WE'RE ALL SORT OF SAY "WE"?

MY IDEA IS NOBODY TRUSTS US ANYMORE.

THEY DON'T TRUST THE INTERNATIONAL FEDERATION OR ANY AUTHORITIES IN THE ANY COUNTRIES TO TURN IN THEIR OWN PEOPLE.

WE NEED ON INDEPENDENT AGENCY COMPLETELY INDEPENDENT.

WE GOT TO GIVE UP CONTROL ON IT AND GET PEOPLE TO BUY INTO IT.

SO WE WORKED WITH TO AND FROING WE ENDED UP WITH THE WORLD ANTI-DOPING AGENCY.

IT HAS A UNIQUE GOVERNMENT UNDER.

50% ARE THE OLYMPIC ATHLETES.

THE IOC, INTERNATIONAL FEDERATION OF NATIONAL OLYMPICS FEDERATION.

AND OUR GOVERNMENTS.

>> YOU HAVE 200 GOVERNMENTS AT LEAST AND THAT MANY OLYMPIC COMMITTEES AND 35 NATIONAL SPORTS FEDERATIONS THAT ALL HAVE TO AGREE TO THIS.

>> THEY ALL HAD TO BUY--FIRST TO BUY INTO A IDEA OF AGENCY THAT WASN'T TOO HARD.

THE THING IS TO BUY INTO A SINGLE SET OF RULES SO THE SAME RULES APPLY IN ALL SPORTS TO ALL COUNTRIES TO ALL ATHLETES.

THAT WAS A MUCH MORE DIFFICULT PROCESS.

WE MANAGED AN INTERNATIONAL CONSULTATION OVER A PERIOD OF 18 MONTHS OR SO.

GOT EVERYBODY UP TO THE TABLE INCLUDING GOVERNMENTS.

SAID ARE WE SATISFIED WITH THIS?

DOES THIS LOOK ABOUT WHAT WE CAN LIVE WITH?

THIS IS A COMPROMISE ALL THESE INTERNATIONAL DOCUMENTS ARE.

THEY SAID YES.

AND WE ADOPTED THE CODE IN EARLY 2003.

ALL THE SPORTS BODIES AND NATIONAL OLYMPIC COMMITTEES AND IOC GOT IT IN PLACE FOR THE RULES IN TIME FOR THE A GAMP IN ATH--ATHENS.

THEY SAID WE CAN'T SIGN ONTO IT BUT DO WHAT YOU LIKE AND GET IT DONE: THEY DECIDED TO HAVE INTERNATIONAL CONVENTION AND ONE OF THE MAIN ELEMENTS OF CONVENTION WOULD BE THAT THE WORLD ANTI-DOPING CODE WOULD BE APPLIED BY GOVERNMENTS AS WELL.

NOW WE HAVE THE SOUND OF TWO HANDLES CLAPPING WHICH IS A MIRACLE.

>> AND THE TESTERONE KNOW GAMES WERE--TRO TORINO GAMES WERE RELATIVELY CLEAN.

>> IF YOU GET TO THE OLYMPIC GAMES AND CAUGHT DOESN'T MATTER WHO YOU ARE, YOU ARE TOAST.

YOU ARE OUT.

>> NOW ABOUT SOFTBALL BECAUSE OF NON-COOPERATION AROUND DOPING YOU SAID THAT SOCCER WAS BEING BEGANNISHED FROM THE GAMES WHICH I'M SURE CAUSED RIPPLES AROUND THE WORLD.

WHAT DO THESE EXTREMELY POPULAR SPORTS NEED TO DOO.

>> BASEBALL AND SOFTBALL WAS UNFORTUNATE MISHAPPEN ON OUR PART.

WE HAVE A POLICY TO REVIEW ON THE OLYMPIC PROGRAM TO SEE IF WE SHOULD KEEP THE SPORTS IN.

BASEBALL, WE DON'T GET THE BEST PLAYERS, BASEBALL.

THEY'VE BEEN VERY EQUIVOCAL ON THE WHOLE QUESTION OF DOPING AND A PROFOUND LACK OF INTEREST IN EUROPE.

BASEBALL DIDN'T MAKE IT.

THEY DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BASEBALL AND SOFTBALL SO SOFTBALL WHICH A WOMEN'S SPORT WHICH DOES HAVE A GOOD PROGRAM FOR ANTI-DOPING WHICH DOES PROVIDE BEST PLAYERS GOT CAUGHT IN THE SAME SHOTGUN BLAST.

THAT WAS I THINK UNFORTUNATE.

>> NOW IS THE THREAT TO SOCCER THAT WILL WIPE EUROPE UP.

>> YES INDEED.

WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING WE POSSIBLY CAN TO MAKE IT EASY FOR SOCCER TO ADOPT THIS CODE.

WE FINALLY GOT THEM TO CHANGE THEIR RULES.

THEY CHANGED THE RULES AND SAY WE'RE NOW COMPLIANT WITH THE CODE.

WE LOOKED AT THEM AND SAID I DON'T THINK SO.

INSTEAD OF HAVING ONE OF THESE MY LAWYER IS BIGGER THAN YOUR LAWYER'S DISCUSSIONS WE'LL SEND IT OUT FOR ARBITRATION.

WE GOT ARBITRATION FOR SPORTS.

FIR YEAR LAW STUDENT COULD TELL THE RULES WERE NOT COMPLIANT.

THE COURT OF ASH STRATION TRATION--ARBITRATION FOR SPORTS SAYS THEY ARE NOT COMPLIANT.

SO NOW THEY HAVE TO BECOME COMPLIANT OR THERE'S A BIG PROBLEM.

>> SHOULD THERE BE A DIFFERENT STANDARD FOR AMATEURS AND PRO?

YOU ARE NFL.

SOME OF THEM ARE DOPING.

>> NHL.

>> NHL.

>> SORRY.

I GOT TO GET THAT STRAIGHT.

>> I DON'T THINK THIS SHOULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

THERE'S WHAT I SAY TO THE COMMISSIONERS OF THE LEAGUES.

HERE'S OUR LIST.

OUR WATER CODE.

IS THERE ANYTHING ON THIS THAT YOU THINK YOUR PLAYERS SHOULD BE ABLE IT TAKE?

THERE'S NO ANSWER TO THAT.

THEY SIMPLY DON'T WANT TO COME UNDER THIS.

BUT I THINK GRADUALLY THEY WILL.

>> WHAT ABOUT DRUGS ARE GETTING SO SOPHISTICATED TODAY AND ROGUE SCIENTISTS ARE WORKING ON GENETIC STUFF.

HOW DO YOU FEEL YOU CAN REALLY KEEP UP WITH TESTING?

>> IN CASE OF CONVENTIONAL DRUGS, I THINK THE SPORT MOVEMENT HAS LET THIS GET OUT OF HAND FOR 30 OR 40 YEARS.

WE ARE PLAYING A GAME OF CATCHUP.

WE'RE A LOT CLOSER NOW TO BEING UP TO DATE WITH THE FOLKS.

WE KNOW ABOUT DESIGNER STEROIDS.

WE ARE LOOKING FOR RESEARCH FOR TESTS FOR HUMAN GROWTH HORMONE, FOR EPO, A WHOLE WHOLE BUNCH OF THINGS WE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO FIND THEM.

WE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO FULLY DISCOUNT SOME MIGHT BE NATURAL AND YOU DON'T WANT A FALSE POSITIVE.

WE ARE GAINING ON THAT AND PAYING THE PRICE.

PEOPLE LOOK AT PERFORMANCE NOW AND SAY, AH, THAT PERSON MUST BE DRUGGED.

>> MUST BE DRUGGED, RIGHT.

>> IT'S UNFAIR TO THE HUGE PERCENTAGE OF THE ATHLETES BECAUSE THE GUYS IN THE SUITS DIDN'T CATCH IT SOON ENOUGH.

ON THE GENETIC DOPING AS THE SCIENCE HAS DEVELOPED, WE ARE RIGHT THERE WITH THEM.

WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF MEETINGS WITH THE LEADING SCIENTISTS IN THE FIELD JUST TO FIRST OF ALL EXPLAIN WHERE A WE'RE ALL ABOUT AND TO LEARN WHAT THEY WERE DOING.

WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS MARVELOUS.

IT'S JUST MARVELOUS.

THE FACT A DISEASE LIKE MUSS CUE LAR--MUSCLEER DIS0 FEE IS ASTONISHING.

WHAT CAN BE USED FOR POST-CANCER TREATMENT CANS ALSO BE USED FOR A PERFECTLY HEALTHY ATHLETE.

>> CAN YOU HOLD BACK THE BIGGER, BETTER, STRONGER, THE THINGS PEOPLE WANT AND HYPED ON THINGS THEY SEE ON TELEVISION AND FANS OBSESSED WITH STATISTICS AND RECORDS?

>> I THINK YOU CAN.

IT'S A MATTER OF INTERPRETATION.

PART OF MY JOB IS TO MAKE IT AS ADVICEAL AS I CAN.

DO YOU WANT YOUR KID TO BE A STOCKPILE TO BE GOOD AT SPORTS?

>> NO.

>> THAT'S THE RISK THAT'S OUT THERE IF WE DON'T STOP THIS.

YOU NEED THE ATHLETES AND THE PARENTS AND TEACHERS AND COACHES AND SPORTS OFFICIALS.

>> HOW MUCH DOES PUBLIC MEDIA PRESSURE I MEAN COMPARED TO PRIVATE BEHIND THE SCENES WORK WITH ORGANIZATIONS DO YOU HAVE A SENTENCES OF WHEN YOU GO FOR ONE OR THE OTHER?

>> YOU HAVE A SENSE AT THE TIME WHERE THE LEVERAGE IS THE GREATEST.

THERE'S NOTHING PEOPLE HATE MORE THAN TO BE RIDICULED.

WHEN WE PUT THE CODE TOGETHER--I REMEMBER WHEN WE AT THE FINAL MEETING, I SAID, ALL RIGHT ARE WE GOING THIS WAY?

IS THIS THE CODE WE WANT?

IF YOU GO IN THE INTERNATIONAL MEETINGS WILL YOU VOTE?

AND EVERYBODY APPLAUDS.

WE GOT THE USUAL APPLAUDS.

I BET SOME PEOPLE MAY HAVE BEEN APPLAUDING BUT THEY DIDN'T VOTE FOR IT.

IF THERE IS SOMEBODY IN THE ROOM NOT IN FAVOR YOU KNOW WHERE TO LOOK.

THEY LOOKED DOWN.

YOU CAN'T HEAVE ANY WIGGLE ROOM INSIDE THIS.

THIS IS NOT THE PROMISE.

THIS IS CHEATING.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO DIPLOMATIC ABOUT SOMEBODY CHEATING.

>> YOU HAVE WORKED WITH TWO U.S.

DRUG CZARS AS WE CALLED THEM GENERAL McCALFRY AND THE UNITED STATES ANTI-DOPING AGENCY AND JOHN WATERS TO MAKE ANTI-DOPING A MAJOR ISSUE AND SORT OF GET FUNDING.

HOW IS YOUR RELATIONSHIP NOW AND IS THIS SOMETHING COMING THROUGH FROM THESE GOVERNMENTS?

>> OH YEAH.

THE U.S.

HAS COME OUT.

PART OF THEIR PROBLEM WAS THAT THE BUDGET IS DOWN AROUND THE END OF NOVEMBER.

QUITE OFTEN SOMEBODY'S HOLDING SOMEBODY UP FOR THAT.

THEY WERE DOING, YOU KNOW, THE 2004 BUDGET IN NOVEMBER OF 2004 AND WE NEEDED THE MONEY FOR JANUARY OF 2004.

THEY DOUBLED UP ONE YEAR.

TWO IN ONE YEAR.

NOW THE PROCESS IS ON AN EVEN KEEL.

WE GET A LOT OF HELP.

THE REPRESENTATIVE ON THE BOARD IS SCOTT BURNS.

HE'S A DEPUTY DIRECTORS OF THE OMPC.

WALTER HIMSELF AS BIGGER FISH TO FRY.

HE HASN'T BEEN AS ACTIVITY AS McCALFRY WHO IS TERRIFIC.

ONCE HE WAS CONVERTED TO THE FACT THAT WE WERE GENUINE ABOUT THIS HE WAS A GREAT SUPPORTER.

>> THE UNITED STATES HAS HAD LESS AND LESS INFLUENCE IN THE OLYMPICS.

AS YOU SAID THE EUROPEANS HAVE A STRONG HOLD.

IS THAT A PROBLEM OR A CALL FOR THE U.S.

TO GET THEIR HOUSE IN ORDER TO REALLY BE ON BOARD?

>> IT'S ALL OF OF THE ABOVE.

I MEAN THE EUROPEANS DON'T WANT THEM TO THE BE ON TOP.

YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE CORRIDORS AS WELL.

WE COME FROM A BIG COUNTRY THAT REGARDS IT AS A TERRIFIC ACHIEVEMENT TO SPEAK ONE LANGUAGE MODERATELY WELL AND YOU PAY FOR THAT.

>> ENOUGH SAID, RIGHT.

YOU TURNED THE OLYMPICS AROUND FINANCIALLY IN A REMARKABLE WAY WITH VERY STRONG CORPORATE SPONSORSHIP AND TELEVISION RIGHTS DEALS.

SOME PEOPLE FEEL IT MADE THE OLYMPICS TOO COMMERCIAL.

WHAT'S YOUR RESPONSE?

>> MY RESPONSE WITHOUT COMMERCIAL SPONSORSHIP IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR FROM WOULDN'T BE--THERE WOULDN'T BE OLYMPICS.

THEY WOULDN'T ALLOW THE ORGANIZATION AND FINANCING OF INTERNATIONAL SPORTS STRUCTURE.

I WOULD SAY FIRST OF ALL, WE NEED THE CORPORATE SPONSORSHIP.

WE'RE UNIQUE IN ANY SPORTS EVENT IN THE WORLD IN THAT THERE'S NO SIGNAGE IN THE OLYMPIC GAMES.

THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF AROUND IT AND HOOPLA.

THINK OF ANY SPORT WHERE SOMEBODY HAS 600 BOUNCED ON THEM AND BANNERS.

>> WHAT ARE THEY DOING.

>> THIS IS PART OF THE VIEW OF THE BRAND THAT THE OLYMPICS ARE SPECIAL AND THE KIND OF SPONSOR.

IF YOU WANT TO BE PART OF SOMETHING SPECIAL HERE'S SOME OF CHARACTERISTICS OF IT.

DO YOU WANT IN OR NOT?

AS THEY STARTED TO SEE THE VALUE OF THAT BRAND ALIGNED WITH THEIR OWN BRANDS IT BECAME A VERY ATTRACTIVE COMMERCIAL PROPOSITION.

>> FOR MANY OR VIEWER?

>> WE CUT DOWN AS WELL.

>> CANADIANS HAVE THIS CLEAN IN CORRUPTABLE PEOPLE.

YOU REPRESENT THEM VERY WELL.

>> NOT A BAD REPUTATION FOR THAT.

>> YOU ARE VERY INTERNATIONAL FIGURE.

HOW MUCH DOUSE YOUR COMMITTEE AND HERITAGE PLAY INTO WHO YOU ARE AND WHAT YOU DO?

>> WELL, WE GOT A LOT OF LAND BUT NOT TOO MANY PEOPLE.

AND WE HAVE SORT OF FORMERLY DIVIDED YOU KNOW BI-CULTURALLISM ARE AND BI-LINKALLISM.

AS A COUNTRY YOU DON'T FORCE IT YOU BRING THEM TOGETHER AND PERSUADE TO MAKE A DEAL.

WE'RE USED TO THAT THAN SAY SOMEBODY FROM THE UNITED STATES OR SOVIET UNION WOULD BE SAYING THESE ARE OUR DEMANDS AND THAT'S THE WAY IT IS.

THAT'S BEEN FUN.

I'M AN ADVOCATE.

A LAWYER BY TRAINING.

IT'S FUN TO KIND OF MARSHALL THE ELEMENTS THAT ARE POSITIVE FOR SOMETHING AND PRESENT THEM IN A WAY THAT'S ATTRACTIVE TO A SPONSOR, TO A BROADCASTER, A MINISTER, OR SPORT.

>> YOU DON'T SHY AWAY FROM BEING VERY BLUNT.

PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THAT ASPECT TO BE HEARD AND CLEAR.

IS THAT TO PUSH AN ISSUE?

>> NORMALLY TO PUSH.

I MEAN I'VE NEVER FOUND IT TO BE A CRIME TO BE CLEAR.

PEOPLE YOU HAVE TO WATCH OUT FOR ARE THE ONES YOU SAY I UNDERSTOOD EVERY WORD SHE SAID I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT SHE SAID.

THERE ARE ONES THAT SAY NOTHING.

I JUST DON'T THINK THEY GET ANYTHING DONE.

>> YOU WERE PRACTICING TAX LAW AND WRITTEN SEVERAL BOOKS.

YOU GROUT UP THREE CHILDREN.

IN ADDITION TO YOUR DUTIES THAT ARE BASICALLY VOLUNTEER AND IOC, HOW DO YOU ACCOUNT FOR THIS CAPACITY FOR WORK?

MANY PEOPLE OFTEN CALL YOU THE BUSIEST MAN IN THE WORLD AMONG OTHER THINGS.

>> THERE'S A LOT OF TIME IN THE DAY.

THERE'S REALLY QUITE A LOT OF TIME.

THE KEY IS NOT TO WASTE IT.

SO I'M LUCKY I WRITE EASILY.

I DECIDE VERY QUICKLY.

I KNOW WHERE I WANT TO GO.

WE DON'T NEED TO SPEND YOU KNOW THIS IS GOING TO BE A 30-MINUTE PROGRAM.

WE DON'T NEED TO SPEND FOUR HOURS ON IT.

I THINK IF YOU ORGANIZE YOURSELF THAT WAY, I PROBABLY LEARNED THAT WHEN I WAS TRAINING FOR SWIMMING.

YOU GOT TO DO YOUR SCHOOL AND SOCIAL LIFE AND YOUR ACADEMICS AND YOU GOT TO FIT IT ALL IN.

>> IS SWIMMING AND SQUASH STILL PART OF YOUR LIFE.

>> SWIMMING I'M IN DANGER OF BEING HAR FOONED IF CAUGHT IN OPEN WATER.

I DON'T LIKE DOING SWIMMING IN A POOL ANYMORE.

I'VE BEEN THERE.

DONE THAT.

GO THERE HAVE YOUR EYES GET RED AND SMELL LIKE CHLORINE AND DOING WORST THAN YOU DID IN THE LIFE IS NOT MUCH FUN AND SQUASH IS A GREAT GAME.

>> YOU'VE BEEN A NATIONAL COMPETITOR IN BOTH THINGS.

>> I'VE TRIED THEM ALL.

>> YOU ARE A CHANCELLOR OF THE ALMA MATER WHERE YOU EARNED A DEGREE IN ACCOUNTING AND LAW.

WHAT ARE YOUR GOALS IN A SUSPICIOUS?

>> --POSITION.

>> IT'S HEAD OF STATE.

IT'S NOT LIKE BEING THE PRESIDENT.

I'M NOT THE CHIEF ACADEMIC OFFICER.

I'M THE GOVERNOR GENERAL FAUTAKE THE CANADIAN MODEL.

IT'S TO PROMOTE THE FINEST UNIVERSITY IN CANADA.

IT'S THE MOST INTERNATIONAL.

WE HAVE EXTRAORDINARY DEM KNOW GRAPHIC.

WE WANT TO GET HALF OF THE STUDENTS FROM QUA BECK AND WE WANT THE REST OF POPULATION TO COME FROM CANADA AND FULL 25% TO COME UP FROM CANADA.

WHEN I SIT UP THERE IT'S LIKE THE UNITED NATIONS COMING IN FRONT OF ME.

IT'S WONDERFUL TO SEE THE SMART KIDS FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD COMING THROUGH MCGILL.

>> SPEAKING OF YOUR INTERNATIONAL STATURE I READ THAT THAT YOU ARE THE CHANCELLOR OF NORWAY.

HOW DID THAT HAPPEN?

WHAT COULD YOU DO THERE?

>> AGAIN IT'S ORGANIZATIONAL.

YOU MEET A CHANCELLOR GENERAL AND REGENT SHIP COMING IN AND HAVE A PROBLEM IN SAINT LAWRENCE AND SAILOR GETS ARRESTED AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

IT CAME UP IN THE LEAD UP IN THE LITTLE LA HAMMER OLYMPICS.

I WAS APPOINTED IN 1991.

THEY WERE IN 1994.

THE OLD CONSOLE ADD RETIRED.

THEY LOOK AROUND FOR SOMEBODY IN MONTREAL.

YEAH, IT'S FUN TO HELP OUT ONCE IN AWHILE.

>> YOU WERE SUCH A SUPERB ENFORCER AND ASKED TO JOIN A REVIEW PANEL OF AMERICAN MEDICAL ASSOCIATION JOURNAL.

SHOULD YOUR NEW TITLE BE CANADA'S ETHTHINKSIST.

WHAT ABOUT BEING THE CLEANUP MAN FOR THINGS?

IS THAT AN IMPORTANT REPUTATION TO YOU OR-- >> TO HAVE A REPUTATION FOR INTEGRITY IS GOOD.

ISM IT'S SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO KEEP UP.

IT LAST FROM NOW UNTIL 10 SECONDS FROM NOW.

IT'S WHAT YOU DO EVERYDAY.

THIS THING WITH THE JOURNAL, IT'S AN ISSUE THAT'S ARISEN IN THE STATES AND ELSEWHERE.

SHOULD FREE SHOULD JOURNALISTS WILL BE IN A JOURNAL THAT IS OWNED BY SOMEBODY ELSE, YOU KNOW THE CHURCH AND STATE OF THE AMERICAN MEDICAL ASSOCIATION HAS GONE THROUGH IT.

THE BRITISH HAVE AND IT'S NOT A NEW PROBLEM BUT IT HASN'T HAPPENED IN CANADA BEFORE.

WE'LL HAVE TO WORK OUR WAY THROUGH IT.

MY JOB THERE IS MORE TO MANAGE A PROCESS.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S A BREACH OF ACCESS.

>> THIS WON'T BE AS COMPLEX AS CLEANING UP THE ILC?

>> I DON'T THINK SO.

>> HOW I'M SURE DO PEOPLE EVEN DOING THAT TIME WERE YOU APPROACHED TO TAKE ON SOME OF THE LUXURY ITEMS?

>> NO, MAYBE THEY CAN SPOT WHO THEY SHOULDN'T ASK AS WELL AS WHO THEY SHOULD.

NO I NEVER HAD THAT AND I THINK PEOPLE NEW.

>> OLYMPICS IS IT IN GOOD SHAPE?

>> YEAH, I THINK IT IS.

IT'S SO FAR AHEAD OF WHATEVER MIGHT BE IN SECOND PLACE.

THINK ABOUT IT, YOU'VE GOT IT'S THE LARGEST PEACEFUL GATHERING ON THE FACE OF THE PLANET.

EVERY TWO YEARS UGET ALL OF THE BEST ATHLETES OF THE WORLD COMING TOGETHER IN PROBABLY THE MOST INTERNATIONAL SETTING YOU CAN IMAGINE ALL TRYING TO SEE WHO CAN BE THE BEST IN THE WORLD.

>> AND COMING TO VANCOUVER SUN.

RICHARD POUND THANKS FOR JOINING US MEMBER OF THE IOC AND CHAIRMAN.

IT WAS GREAT HAVING YOU HERE.

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