REPORT FROM SANTA FE IS MADE POSSIBLE, IN PART, BY GRANTS FROM THE NEW MEXICO MUNICIPAL LEAGUE, A BETTER NEW MEXICO THROUGH BETTER CITIES AND FROM >>LORENE: HELLO, I AM LORENE MILLS AND TODAY WE HAVE A VERY EXCITING EDITION OF REPORT FROM SANTA FE , BECAUSE OUR GUESTS ARE CARMELLA PADILLA AND ESTEVAN RAEL GALVEZ, TWO OF MY FAVORITE WRITERS, AUTHORS, AND HISTORIANS.

I AM VERY EXCITED BECAUSE WE HAVE TWO EVENTS COMING UP, I'LL JUST TALK ABOUT THEM QUICKLY.

ONE OF YOUR HATS YOU'RE WEARING IS THAT YOU ARE THE CO-FOUNDER OF THE SANTA FE INTERNATIONAL LITERARY FESTIVAL WHICH IS COMING UP MAY 19 THRU 21?

>>CARMELLA: YES.

>>LORENE: OF THIS YEAR HERE IN SANTA FE.

BUT IT HAS GOT A PANOPLY OF WRITERS, FOR EXAMPLE, ONE OF THEM IS COLUM MCCANN, HE WILL BE THE OPENING NIGHT SPEAKER AND THE FAMOUS JOHN IRVING.

BUT THERE ARE SO MANY WRITERS, IT'S ALMOST EXTRAORDINARY.

I DON'T THINK WE HAVE EVER HAD AN EVENT LIKE THAT.

THE LANNAN FOUNDATION HAD READINGS AND CONVERSATIONS EVERY TWO MONTHS.

WE HAVE GOT A TSUNAMI OF LITERARY TALENT.

SO, LET ME TALK ABOUT YOU FOR A MINUTE, CARMELLA.

YOU ARE AN AUTHOR, EDITOR AND JOURNALIST, BUT SOME OF YOUR BOOKS ARE REALLY, REALLY CLASSIC, THIS IS CALLED THE WORK OF ART: FOLK ARTISTS IN THE 21ST CENTURY , IT IS A BEAUTIFUL BOOK, SORT OF A GO-TO BOOK ABOUT FOLK ART.

ANOTHER ONE IS A RED LIKE NO OTHER , THIS IS A COMPILATION THAT YOU DID?

>>CARMELLA: YES, AN ANTHOLOGY.

>>LORENE: AN ANTHOLOGY ABOUT THE COLOR OF RED AND, OBVIOUSLY, BELOVED IN NEW MEXICO, LOW 'N SLOW ABOUT LOWRIDERS.

SO WE ARE DELIGHTED, DELIGHTED TO HAVE YOU HERE.

ESTEVAN, YOU HAVE DONE SOME OF THE MOST EXTRAORDINARY PROJECTS.

I REMEMBER, YOU HAVE A MASTERS IN AMERICAN CULTURE, YOU CAME OUT OF COLLEGE WITH DEGREES AS A CULTURAL ANTHROPOLOGIST.

I AM FASCINATED THAT ONE OF YOUR EARLY WORKS, THE DISSERTATION WAS CALLED IDENTIFYING CAPTIVITY AND CAPTURING IDENTITY, AND BRIEFLY, WHAT WAS THAT ABOUT?

>>ESTEVAN: IT WAS ABOUT NATIVE AMERICAN SLAVERY HERE IN THE SOUTHWEST IN COLORADO AND NEW MEXICO MOSTLY AND THE LEGACY.

>>LORENE: YEAH, WELL YOU HAVE BEEN INTERESTED IN THAT SUBJECT FOR A LONG TIME AND AFTER DOING YOUR ACADEMIC WORK, YOU WERE AT THE NATIONAL HISPANIC CULTURAL CENTER, YOU WERE THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AND ISN'T THAT THE LARGEST LATINO CULTURAL CENTER IN THE COUNTRY?

>>ESTEVAN: IT IS.

>>LORENE: AND YOU WERE THE SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT OF HISTORIC SITES OF THE NATIONAL TRUST, I MEAN THAT IS JUST LIKE THE FROSTING ON THE CAKE, THE BEST, THE BEST.

AND NOW YOU ARE THE DIRECTOR OF SOMETHING CALLED CREATIVE STRATEGIES, YOU WERE ALSO OUR STATE'S HISTORIAN FOR TEN YEARS, DID A LOT OF WORK THEN.

YOU ARE DOING A PROJECT NOW THE TITLE WHICH INTRIGUES ME, NATIVE BOUND UNBOUND.

SO GIVE US AN UPDATE BECAUSE YOU WROTE A VERY NICE GRANT, FOR THREE YEARS OF WORK ON THIS AND NOW STORY CORPS IS INVOLVED.

SO YOU HAVE GOT RECORDINGS OF THE TOPIC AND THE PEOPLE YOU ARE WORKING ON, WHICH IS?

>>ESTEVAN: NATIVE BOUND UNBOUND, ARCHIVE OF INDIGENOUS SLAVERY.

I AM SO DELIGHTED TO BE ABLE TO UPDATE YOU.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME LAST TIME.

THIS WAS A PROJECT THAT I HAD BEEN THINKING ABOUT SINCE I WAS A LITTLE BOY, SINCE BEFORE I COULD EVEN HEAR STORIES.

SO THOSE STORIES WERE SHARED WITH ME BY MY GRANDMOTHERS TALKING ABOUT INDIGENOUS WOMEN AND THEIR FAMILIES AND SO I HAD BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS FOR A LONG TIME.

THIS PROJECT IS NOW HEMISPHERIC, THOUGH.

SO I AM RUNNING A TEAM OF ABOUT 50 PEOPLE FROM PARAGUAY AND BRAZIL ALL THE WAY UP TO CANADA.

SO WE ARE TRANSLATING, TRANSCRIBING, AND CODING ALL OF THIS, WE ARE DEVELOPING THE WEBSITE, WE WILL BE UP IN ABOUT A YEAR I SAY.

WE ARE ALL KINDS OF PARTNERSHIPS WITH ARCHIVES AND UNIVERSITIES AND DARTMOUTH TO UTEP.

AS YOU JUST MENTIONED, WE STARTED OUT THIS PROJECT WITH STORY CORPS , THE COLLABORATION, BUT WE ARE DOCUMENTING AND COLLECTING DESCENDANT'S STORIES.

>>LORENE: YES.

AND THERE IS NOTHING LIKE THE REAL PERSON TELLING THEIR STORY, BUT WHAT I AM INTERESTED IN YOU SAID "MY GRANDMOTHER."

YOU HAD TWO GRANDMOTHERS AND YOU WERE ABOUT NINE YEARS OLD AND YOU HAD WATCHED ROOTS .

>>ESTEVAN: YES IN 1977 I THINK, WHEN ROOTS WAS AIRED EVERY SINGLE NIGHT AND IT CHANGED HOW WE THINK ABOUT SLAVERY, RACE AND ITS LEGACY.

HALF THE AMERICAN PUBLIC TUNED INTO THAT AND SO I WAS A LITTLE BOY IN COSTILLA, NEW MEXICO, WATCHING THIS TELEVISION SHOW, BUT IT WAS BEING BRAIDED IN MY HEART AND MIND WITH THE STORIES THAT WERE BEING TOLD BY MY GRANDMA NEA ABOUT HER PAWNEE ANCESTOR LA INDIA PANANA.

WE RECENTLY FOUND A RECORDING FROM THE 1970S HER TELLING THAT STORY AGAIN.

>>LORENE: PRECIOUS.

>>ESTEVAN: I KNOW.

SO AND THEN WHAT I SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT WAS A BLANKET THAT WAS WOVEN BY ANOTHER ANCESTOR.

YOU SAT AT MY KITCHEN TABLE YOU KNOW THAT THAT BLANKET HANGS ABOVE THAT TABLE NOW AND IT WAS WOVEN BY HER.

SHE WAS A LITTLE GIRL WHEN SHE WAS TAKEN IN TO BE SOLD INTO A FAMILY IN ABIQUIU.

AND SO, I AM HER GENETIC WEAVE.

>>LORENE: OH, THAT IS SO BEAUTIFUL.

OH MY GOODNESS.

THANK YOU AND I KNOW THAT YOU FOUNDED, ONE OF THE CO-FOUNDERS OF THE LITERARY FESTIVAL, GOVERNOR'S AWARD FOR EXCELLENCE IN ARTS, BUT YOU HAVE BEEN REALLY WRITING AND AS A JOURNALIST AND AS AN AUTHOR, SOME OF THE MAJOR THREADS OF NEW MEXICO LIFE.

BUT WHEN DID YOU FIRST AND ONE OF THE REASONS WE ARE DOING THIS IS BECAUSE IN THE UPCOMING LITERARY FESTIVAL, THERE WILL BE AN HOMAGE, A DAY OF REMEMBRANCES AND EVENTS ABOUT RUDY ANAYA, SO I WANT TO ASK YOU, WHEN DID YOU START TO READ RUDY ANAYA AND HOW DID IT MAKE YOU FEEL AND WHAT ARE SOME OF YOUR FAVORITES?

>>CARMELLA: WELL, LIKE MANY PEOPLE WHO GREW UP HERE, I WAS FORTUNATE TO BE ABLE TO READ HIM IN JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL, REALLY, I GREW UP IN SANTA FE, MY EXPERIENCE WAS NOT AS RURAL AS RUDY'S STORY HE WAS TELLING BUT I COULD CERTAINLY RELATE TO THE GENERATIONAL AND THE ANCESTORIAL FEELING OF THE BOOK, BECAUSE I GREW UP IN A FAMILY WHOSE ANCESTORS WERE PRESENT AND VERY IMPORTANT AND THE ELDERS WERE EVER PRESENT.

IT STRUCK ME AND THROUGH THE YEARS, I WENT ON TO READ OTHER OF HIS BOOKS, EVENTUALLY WAS REALLY BLESSED TO BE ABLE TO BE IN A CLASS OF HIS AT UNM AND ALSO TO INTERVIEW HIM.

IN 2017, I FINALLY SAT DOWN TO GET AN INTERVIEW WITH HIM AND WRITE ABOUT HIM.

SO, WITH THE FESTIVAL, LAST YEAR WE STARTED WHAT WE ARE CONSIDERING NOW A TRADITION OF HONORING A DECEASED NEW MEXICO WRITER POSTHUMOUSLY, AND THIS YEAR RUDY'S NAME CAME TO THE FORE BECAUSE HE WAS SO INFLUENTIAL NOT ONLY IN NEW MEXICO BUT OF COURSE INTERNATIONALLY ON SO MANY LEVELS, PEOPLE LIKE TO CALL THE GODFATHER OF CHICANO LITERATURE.

SO WE CREATED AN ACTUAL MONTH LONG CELEBRATION OF RUDY, WE ARE HAVING A MONTH STARTING MAY 3, WE HAVE A MONTH'S WORTH OF WEEKLY STORY HOURS AT THE SANTA FE PUBLIC LIBRARY, VARIOUS LIBRARIES.

THE FIRST ONE ACTUALLY WILL HAVE GUEST READERS READING SOME OF HIS CHILDREN'S BOOKS BILINGUALLY.

>>LORENE: OH BEAUTIFUL.

>>CARMELLA: AND THIS IS THE FIRST TORTILLA AND JUAN AND THE JACKALOPE WILL BE READ MAY 1.

WE HAVE A WHOLE MONTH LONG OF THAT AND IT IS ALL ON OUR WEBSITE SO WE HOPEFULLY WILL GET THAT LIST TOGETHER.

>>LORENE: SHOW US THE OTHER COVER OF ONE OF HIS BOOKS THAT WILL BE READ AT THE DIFFERENT LIBRARIES.

>>CARMELLA: SO THIS ONE WILL ACTUALLY BE READ OWL IN A STRAW HAT AT THE FESTIVAL DURING A SESSION WITH DENISE CHAVEZ, THE WONDERFUL WRITER FROM LAS CRUCES WHO IS ALSO PARTICIPATING IN OUR MAIN EVENT ON SUNDAY, MAY 21 AT TWO O'CLOCK.

>>LORENE: IN THE SANTA FE CONVENTION CENTER?

>>CARMELLA: AT THE CONVENTION CENTER.

SO SHE WILL BE READING OWL IN A STRAW HAT ON SATURDAY BUT THE MAIN EVENT WILL BE SUNDAY AFTERNOON AND ESTEVAN WILL BE MODERATING THAT EVENT WITH DENISE CHAVEZ AND LUIS ALBERTO URREA, ANOTHER WONDERFUL WRITER.

>>LORENE: ABSOLUTELY AND I WILL PROBABLY INTERVIEW THEM AFTER THE FACT, BUT THIS IS THE ONLY WAY WE CAN LET PEOPLE KNOW.

NEW MEXICO IS FULL OF PEOPLE WHO ADORE RUDOLFO ANAYA AND TO LET THEM KNOW HOW THEY CAN COME AND PARTICIPATE.

IT IS FREE, YOU CAN COME AND LISTEN TO EVERYTHING ABOUT RUDY, YOU CAN COME AND MEET OTHER RUDY FANS AND I AM JUST SO HAPPY THAT WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THIS.

WHEN DID YOU START READING RUDY AND HOW DID IT AFFECT YOU?

>>ESTEVAN: I THINK I WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL WHEN I FIRST READ BLESS ME ULTIMA , AND THEN I REMEMBER READING IT FOR ONE OF MY COLLEGE CLASSES WHEN I WAS A STUDENT AT UC BERKELEY.

I DID COME FROM A RURAL BACKGROUND AND SO IT APPEALED TO ME, YOU KNOW I ALSO HAD STRONG WOMEN IN MY LIFE, YOU KNOW A GRANDMOTHER WHO NURTURED ME AND TOLD ME STORIES AND BLESSED ME, AND SO THIS IMMEDIATELY APPEALED TO ME.

AND JUST THE MYSTIQUE AND THE ROMANCE AND THE TRAGEDY THAT IS PART OF THAT ENVIRONMENT, SO THIS WAS VERY MUCH, I ALSO WENT ON TO READ TORTUGA WHICH WOULD RESONATE WITH ME YEARS LATER WHEN MY OWN BROTHER SEVERED HIS SPINAL CORD AND SO THAT'S... >>LORENE: EXPLAIN WHY THAT BOOK AND AN IMAGE OF A TURTLE WITH A SHELL AND HOW THAT PERSONALLY AFFECTED MR. ANAYA.

>>ESTEVAN: WELL, YOU KNOW, WHEN HE WAS 16 YEARS OLD, HE WAS IN AN ACCIDENT THAT AFFECTED HIS SPINAL CORD.

>>LORENE: WAS HE DIVING, I THINK?

>>ESTEVAN: I THINK HE WAS DIVING.

>>CARMELLA: HE WAS DIVING INTO AN ACEQUIA, HE WAS USED TO PLAYING IN THE IRRIGATION DITCHES.

>>LORENE: OH.

>>ESTEVAN: AND THAT'S ABOUT THE TIME THEY TRANSITIONED RIGHT TO ALBUQUERQUE, SO HE STARTED LIVING IN THE BIG CITY.

BUT THAT NOVEL WAS JUST SO POWERFUL TO ME THEN, MAYBE PART OF IT WAS MY TIO ARSENIO USED TO CALLED ME EL TORTUGITA.

AND SO I HAVE THIS THING WITH TURTLES AND SO WHEN THAT BOOK CAME OUT I JUST LOVED IT.

>>LORENE: WELL, SO I DO WANT TO, THIS BOOK IS ONE OF MY FAVORITES, TOO, AND WE HAVE MENTIONED IT A COUPLE OF TIMES.

BUT THIS BLESS ME ULTIMA PROBABLY THE MOST WELL-KNOWN OF RUDOLFO ANAYA'S BOOKS AND IT IS TAUGHT IN ALL OF THE NEW MEXICO PUBLIC SCHOOLS, IT IS TAUGHT WORLDWIDE.

YOU HAVE GOT IT AT THE UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA AT BERKELEY.

>>ESTEVAN: IT WAS BANNED AS WELL.

>>LORENE: OH YES.

YES THAT IS AMAZING.

>>CARMELLA: AND IT IS STILL BANNED.

>>LORENE: WELL TELL ME THIS STORY.

IT WAS BANNED ON THE SAME DAY THAT LAURA BUSH MADE IT A MUST READ.

>>CARMELLA: YES, YES.

>>LORENE: THE PRESIDENT'S WIFE AT THE TIME.

>>CARMELLA: YES AT THE TIME.

>>LORENE: I MEAN IT REALLY THIS... WE WON'T GO THERE.

>>CARMELLA: WELL AND I THINK ONE OF THE WONDERFUL THINGS, ESTEVAN MENTIONED THAT IT JUST WAS, IF YOU GO BACK AND READ THESE BOOKS AT DIFFERENT TIMES IN YOUR LIFE, THEY HAVE DIFFERENT MEANINGS.

>>LORENE: YES.

>>CARMELLA: AND SO WHAT YOU READ AS A CHILD, LATER ON IN LIFE YOU RE-DISCOVER NEW THINGS.

BUT ALWAYS LEARNING AND ALWAYS TEACHING AND RUDY WAS A TEACHER, HE WAS A PROFESSOR, HE WAS A WRITER, HE WAS AN ACTIVIST.

>>LORENE: HE WAS A MENTOR.

>>CARMELLA: BUT HE MAINLY WAS A TEACHER.

AND I THINK HE TAUGHT NOT ONLY NEW MEXICANS SO MUCH ABOUT THE RICHNESS AND THE IMPORTANCE OF THE INDO-HISPANO CULTURE AND IDENTITY HERE, BUT ALSO ON A GREATER LEVEL, INTERNATIONALLY, NATIONALLY.

KIND OF REDEFINE THE AMERICAN EXPERIENCE FOR PEOPLE FROM THE OUTSIDE WHO MAYBE DIDN'T REALIZE.

>>LORENE: ON THE NATIONAL LEVEL PRESIDENT OBAMA GAVE HIM THE MEDAL OF THE ARTS.

>>CARMELLA: YES.

>>LORENE: THAT WAS A WONDERFUL THING.

BUT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT HIS ACTIVISM, WHICH MAKES ME WANT TO GO BACK TO A CONVERSATION WE HAD EARLIER, BUT FIRST LET ME REINTRODUCE OUR GUESTS.

OUR GUESTS TODAY ARE CARMELLA PADILLA AND ESTEVAN RAEL GALVEZ, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

SO, YOU MENTIONED THAT HE WAS AN ACTIVIST AND HE WAS INVOLVED, HIS EARLY ESSAYS HAD A LOT TO DO WITH THE CHICANO MOVEMENT AND AZTLAN AND MYTHOLOGIZING THE HISPANIC, THE CHICANO PAST IN TERMS OF JUST ONE SIDE NOT AT ALL CONSIDERING THE MESTIZO, THE MIXED RACE EMBRACING BOTH SIDES.

BUT YOU HAD MENTIONED TO ME THAT BY PRAISING ONLY AZTLAN, THE ORIGIN STORY FOR CERTAIN ELEMENTS OF THE CHICANO MOVEMENT, THAT NEGLECTED, THAT COMPLETELY ERASED THE INDIGENOUS ROOTS AND WHAT IS SO IMPORTANT IN THIS DAY AND AGE OF UNIFYING AND BRIDGING THE GAP BETWEEN TWO DIFFERENT SIDES IS MAKING THE SUM OF THE WHOLE BE MORE THAN THE PARTS, SO TALK TO ME ABOUT AZTLAN VERSES THE WHOLE.

>>ESTEVAN: WELL I AM NOT SO SURE, IT ACTUALLY MEANT TO ACTUALLY MAKE VISIBLE THE ROOTS.

THE WHOLE CHICANO MOVEMENT IN TERMS OF AZTLAN.

THE FIRST TIME I SHOW UP IN A MECHXA MEETING AT UC BERKELEY, FOR ME IT FELT LIKE THAT THE MOVEMENT ACTUALLY ECLIPSED RECOGNIZING A HOMELAND AT THE EXPENSE OF OTHER HOMELANDS.

AND WHAT WE NOW KNOW IS THAT THESE HOMELANDS ARE OVERLAPPING, RIGHT, INDIGENOUS PEOPLE'S COSMOLOGY, SENSE OF PLACE AND WHAT THEY CONSIDER HOME WAS OVERLAPPING.

SO I WAS JUST A KID SHOWING UP AT UC BERKELEY AND FOR ME THIS FELT LIKE IT ERASED PART OF PUEBLOAN HOMELANDS TO ME.

AND SO I THINK THAT ONE OF THE THINGS YOU HAVE TO RECOGNIZE IS THAT THEY CAN COEXIST, ALL OF THESE AT THE SAME TIME.

AND THIS IS WHAT HAS COME OVER TIME AS I HAVE LEARNED MORE ABOUT THE MOVEMENT, MORE ABOUT HISTORY, ALL OF THOSE THINGS, BUT I WAS IN A CONVERSATION WITH HIS NIECE THIS MORNING AND TALKING ABOUT HOW MUCH.

>>LORENE: MR. ANAYA'S NIECE, BELINDA, YEAH.

>>ESTEVAN: BELINDA.

HOW MUCH ANCESTRY MATTERED TO HIM.

HE ASKED HER OFTEN ABOUT IF ANYONE WAS GOING TO DO THE FAMILY TREE, I STARTED WORKING ON IT LAST NIGHT, HIS FAMILY TREE.

EVIDENTLY, NO ONE HAS, THERE ARE DIFFERENT PEOPLE WHO HAVE AND I ACTUALLY FOUND OUT THAT YOU ARE RELATED TO HIM.

YES, IT IS THE PADILLA, THAT YOU BOTH DESCEND FROM THE PADILLA.

THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS IN OUR REGION THAT WE ARE INTERCONNECTED TO ONE ANOTHER.

BUT HE ALSO DESCENDS FROM, LIKE ME, ONE OF THE FIRST INDIGENOUS WOMEN WHO WAS CAPTURED AND ENSLAVED IN 1591, TAKEN INTO MEXICO CITY AND THEN BROUGHT BACK WITH ONATE AND SHE WAS IDENTIFIED BY ONATE BY NAME, ONE OF THE ONLY INDIGENOUS PEOPLE IDENTIFIED BY NAME, DONA INEZ DE MALINCHE IS THE WAY THEY REFERRED, CONNECTING THIS REGION TO MEXICO CITY AND CONNECTING THIS REGION TO THE CONQUEST.

BUT THAT WOMAN ACTUALLY REFUSED, WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE.

>>LORENE: YEAH.

YEAH >>ESTEVAN: SHE REFUSED TO ACTUALLY PARTICIPATE AS A TRANSLATOR BUT SHE REMAINED ENSLAVED IN ANOTHER HOUSEHOLD HERE IN SANTA FE, LIVED THE REST OF HER LIFE HERE.

HAD TWO SONS AND MANY, MANY, MANY PEOPLE DESCEND FROM THAT WOMAN.

AND HE AND I ARE TWO OF THEM.

>>LORENE: YEAH.

>>ESTEVAN: AND THAT IS POWERFUL.

HE MAY NOT HAVE EVEN KNOWN, I WISH HE WERE HERE TODAY SO THAT WE COULD HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.

>>LORENE: OH, I AM SURE HE WOULD, YEAH.

>>ESTEVAN: THERE ARE AZTLAN, THERE ARE ALL THESE OTHER INDIGENOUS PEOPLE, BUT RIGHT HERE, LESS THAN AN HOUR AWAY, WAS AN INDIGENOUS WOMAN FROM WHOM WE DESCEND.

>>LORENE: YES, WELL I WISH SHE WERE HERE, TOO.

BUT WE DO HAVE HIS BOOKS AND HIS WORD AND WHAT I'M REALLY TAKEN UP WITH YOUR GOING AWAY TO COLLEGE AND FINDING THIS BOOK AT THE UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA AND THEN REALIZING HOW CLOSE YOUR OWN BACKGROUND, SMALL, RURAL BACKGROUND YOU COULD RELATE.

WE HAVE TRIED NOW IN THIS ERA TO BUILD BRIDGES BETWEEN - IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE BINARY OR HISPANIC OR NATIVE TO SEE THE PATTERN, THE WEAVING, THE TEXTILE OF THE RELATIONSHIPS, BUT WHERE ARE WE GOING WITH THIS?

I MEAN YOU SEE WE MADE SO MUCH PROGRESS LOOK AT EVEN 50 YEARS AGO, 30 YEARS AGO.

NOW PEOPLE ARE REALLY EAGER TO FIND OUT WHO THEY ARE, IT'S A QUEST FOR IDENTITY OR AS YOU PUT IT, WHAT "CAPTURING IDENTITY AND IDENTIFYING CAPTURE."

SO WHERE DO YOU SEE THIS MOVEMENT GOING, EITHER ONE OF YOU PLEASE.

>>CARMELLA: WELL ESTEVAN AND I WERE TALKING JUST THIS WEEKEND ABOUT ALL OF THE INTERCONNECTIONS, AND I THANK YOU, ESTEVAN, FOR TELLING ME THAT I AM RELATED TO RUDY.

>>LORENE: THAT'S WHY WE BROUGHT YOU HERE.

>>CARMELLA: I LOVE IT!

BUT YOU SOMETIMES ARE RAISED IN NEW MEXICO THINKING YOU ARE ONE THING AND NOT THINKING OF THE BIGGER PICTURE AND BECAUSE OF DNA, WHICH IS WHAT WE WERE SPEAKING ABOUT THIS WEEKEND, WE ARE BEGINNING TO REALLY FIND SCIENTIFICALLY MORE OF THE RICHNESS AND THE INTER WEAVINGS OF MULTIPLE CULTURES THAT BLEND INTO A UNIQUE NEW MEXICAN NUEVO MEXICANO IDENTITY.

WHICH IS I THINK THAT PEOPLE, AS WE MOVE FORWARD, AS WE CONTINUE TO EXPLORE THAT, IF WE ARE OPEN TO THAT, I THINK IT IS ONLY GOING TO ENHANCE OUR NUEVO MEXICANO IDENTITY AND ALSO TO PUT BY THE WAYSIDE SOME OF THE MYTHOLOGIES THAT HAVE BEEN DAMAGING TO RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN CULTURES IN NEW MEXICO IN THE PAST AND STILL IN THE PRESENT.

>>LORENE: WHERE WOULD YOU PUT HIM IN THE ANNALS OF NEW MEXICO LITERATURE AND HISTORY, WHERE WOULD YOU PUT RUDY ANAYA?

>>ESTEVAN: I WANT TO GO BACK, IF I MAY.

>>LORENE: OF COURSE, YOU MAY.

>>ESTEVAN: YOUR LAST QUESTION IN TERMS OF WHERE ARE WE GOING WITH THAT?

>>LORENE: YES, OF COURSE.

I WANT TO HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY.

>>ESTEVAN: WHAT I LOVE ABOUT THINKING ABOUT THE LITERARY FESTIVAL, THE POWER OF THAT AND CONNECTING ALL THESE AUTHORS INCLUDING RUDY ANAYA, IS THAT AT THE FOUNDATION IS STORY, IS STORYTELLING.

>>LORENE: YES.

>>ESTEVAN: AND SO IF WE CAN CONTINUE TO SHARE STORIES AND LEARN ABOUT EACH OTHER'S STORIES, EVEN THE HARD ONES, THE ONES THAT BREAK OUR HEART AND ACTUALLY PULL US BACK TOGETHER AGAIN, THAT IS WHAT WE LEARN FROM A LOT OF HIS LITERATURE, THAT THE STORY CAN BREAK YOU APART BUT THEY CAN ALSO BRING YOU BACK TOGETHER AGAIN.

AND I THINK ABOUT THAT LONG ARC THAT I JUST SPOKE ABOUT THAT ONE OF THE VERY FIRST LITERARY PIECES THAT WAS DONE ABOUT NEW MEXICO WAS HISTORIA DE LA NUEVA MEXICO BY GASPAR PEREZ DE VILLAGRA, AN EPIC POEM THAT BELONGS TO AT LEAST THREE NATIONS - SPAIN, MEXICO AND THE UNITED STATES.

WHETHER ALL OF THOSE CLAIM IT OR NOT, IT WAS CREATED, IT WAS A BIT ROMANTIC, IT ALSO ERASED, IT DID NOT INCLUDE DONA INEZ IN THE STORY AT ALL.

AND THE ONLY REASON WE KNOW ABOUT HER WERE OTHER HISTORICAL DOCUMENTS THAT ACCOMPANIED IT.

BUT I THINK OF THE LONG ARC FROM VILLAGRA TO RUDY ANAYA AND ALL OF THE STORIES THAT WERE TOLD BEFORE THEN, DURING THAT WHOLE TIME, AND TO THE PRESENT DAY, THE STORY IS CORE TO THIS AND THAT IS HOW I THINK WE ARE GOING TO TRANSCEND THOSE DIVISIONS AND THE TENSIONS.

>>LORENE: I ABSOLUTELY THINK SO AND I HAVE TO ADMIT THAT I KNOW THAT PART OF YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS IS NMSTORYTELLER.

AND YOU HAVE BEEN A WONDERFUL CHANNEL IN SO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS THAT YOU HAVE DONE TO GET THESE STORIES ACROSS AND CERTAINLY YOU AS A WRITER, JOURNALIST, CREATIVE PERSON, HAVE DONE THE SAME THING, TOO.

BUT IN A WAY, THEY ARE MAPS FOR THE JOURNEY, THESE STORIES.

IN SOME CULTURES THEY WILL BE LIKE A WOMAN IS HAVING A HARD TIME GIVING BIRTH AND THE MEDICINE WOMAN OR MEDICINE MAN WILL TELL HER A STORY ABOUT A JOURNEY THROUGH A NARROW PLACE AND WAYS OF PUSHING AND GIVING A METAPHOR IN STORY FOR WHAT HER BODY IS DOING AND SO BRINGS FORTH LIFE INTO A WONDERFUL NEW WORLD.

AND YOU CAN BEAR SO MUCH WHEN YOU HAVE A CONTEXT FOR A STORY AND WHEN YOU KNOW THE ENDING, BECAUSE THAT IS WHY WE LOVE MYSTERIES IS THE FEAR OF THE UNKNOWN AND WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT IT IS NICE TO KNOW WHEN YOU ARE IN DANGER TO HAVE WHAT THE HOPED-FOR ENDING WILL BE.

AND YOUR THOUGHTS ON STORYTELLING.

>>CARMELLA: WELL, FROM MY EXPERIENCE, I WILL SAY THAT BEGINNING TO WRITE STORIES ABOUT NEW MEXICO WAS ALSO FOR ME AN EDUCATION INTO MY OWN HISTORY.

I HAD ORAL HISTORY STORYTELLING IN MY FAMILY THAT MAYBE I DIDN'T PAY ENOUGH ATTENTION TO GROWING UP, BUT IT WAS WHEN I CAME BACK I STARTED WORKING AS A WRITER IN NEW MEXICO AND GOING BACK TO EXPLORE ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT I REALLY WANTED TO FIGURE OUT PROFESSIONALLY AND EXPRESS PROFESSIONALLY THAT IT BECAME AN EDUCATION FOR ME AND MY OWN HISTORY.

AND I THINK THAT'S THE WONDERFUL THING ABOUT WRITING, ABOUT STORYTELLING AND I THINK IT IS SOMETHING THAT ESTEVAN AND I SHARE.

WE BOTH ARE CONTINUALLY LEARNING MORE ABOUT OUR CULTURES, OUR FAMILIES, BECAUSE WE ARE OPEN TO IT AND WE WANT TO KNOW MORE AND WE WANT TO ENLARGE OUR VISION OR AT LEAST SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, I WANT TO ENLARGE MY VISION AND WHAT BEING A NUEVO MEXICANA IS.

YOU KNOW I HAVE MULTI-GENERATIONAL ROOTS ON BOTH SIDES OF MY FAMILY AND I DON'T KNOW ALL THE STORIES AND SO AS TIME GOES ON, I WANT TO LEARN MORE OF THEM.

BUT WRITING FOR ME HAS BEEN AN EXERCISE NOT ONLY IN STORYTELLING BUT IN LEARNING FROM STORIES.

>>LORENE: I JUST WANT TO TAKE A MINUTE TO LET OUR AUDIENCE KNOW THAT SUNDAY, MAY 21 AT 2PM IN THE AFTERNOON AT THE SANTA FE CONVENTION CENTER THERE WILL BE THE FREE, OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, HOMAGE TO RUDOLFO ANAYA.

I MEAN ALL THIS TIME, FROM NOW AND THE LITERARY FESTIVAL, THE WEEKEND OF MAY 19 THRU 21, THERE WILL BE OTHER EVENTS.

THERE ARE FREE READINGS, THERE ARE CHILDREN STORY HOURS IN ALL SORTS OF LIBRARIES.

BLESS ME ULTIMA , THE FILM, IT IS A BEAUTIFUL FILM THAT WAS FROM THE BOOK, HAS A FREE SCREENING IN SANTA FE AT THE JEAN COCTEAU CINEMA ON MONDAY, MAY 22 AT 6 PM.

AND IF THIS WAS TOO FAST, YOU CAN GO TO THE WEBSITE FOR THE LITERARY FESTIVAL AND WE WILL PUT IT SO YOU CAN READ IT, BUT I WILL SAY IT REAL QUICK, SFINTERNATIONALLITFEST,ORG BUT YOU WILL BE ABLE TO READ IT FROM YOUR SCREEN SO YOU CAN FIND OUT MORE ABOUT THESE WONDERFUL EVENTS.

>>CARMELLA: I JUST NEED TO INTERJECT ONE THING, THE HOMAGE IS THE TRIBUTE ON THE 21ST IS NOT A FREE EVENT, IT IS A TICKETED EVENT.

>>LORENE: OH, IT IS A TICKETED EVENT, SO THANK YOU FOR CORRECTING ME.

THAT WOULD BE SO DISAPPOINTING, IT WOULD BE A BAD SURPRISE.

>>CARMELLA: BUT IT IS REDUCED PRICE, HALF PRICE, FOR NEW MEXICANS.

>>LORENE: WELL THAT'S GREAT.

>>CARMELLA: AND STUDENTS.

BUT ALL OF THE OTHER COMMUNITY EVENTS AROUND IT ARE FREE.

BUT IN ORDER TO GO TO THE HOMAGE, THE MAIN EVENT ON MAY 21, YOU GO TO THE WEBSITE AND YOU CAN PURCHASE A TICKET ON THERE.

>>LORENE: OH THAT IS WONDERFUL.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU FOR CLEARING THAT UP.

WE HAVE ONE MINUTE LEFT, CAN YOU EACH GIVE A LITTLE WRAP UP STATEMENT.

>>CARMELLA: WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE EVERYBODY TO COME TO THE FESTIVAL, CELEBRATE THE POWER OF STORY, MEET WRITERS FROM FAR AND NEAR AND HEAR THEM AND REALLY BECOME A PART OF WHAT I FEEL IS KIND OF A NATURAL FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

>>ESTEVAN: I AM JUST HONORED TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS LITERARY EVENT BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN STORIES SO MUCH AND TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS HONORING OF ONE OF THE CLEAREST, MOST BEAUTIFUL VOICES, WHO ACTUALLY GAVE STORY TO THE WORLD, TO THIS REGION, BUT ALSO TO THE WORLD.

>>LORENE: AND I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND OUR AUDIENCE THAT EVERY FAMILY HAS STORIES AND THERE ARE ABUELITAS AND ABUELOS AND TIAS, AUNTS, UNCLES, GRANDMOTHERS.

GET THOSE STORIES WHILE YOU CAN, AS YOU GROW OLDER THEY WILL BE LIKE THE MOST PRECIOUS GOLD, THEY WILL BE REALLY WONDERFUL.

SO I THANK YOU, TWO OF MY FAVORITE STORYTELLERS, MY GUESTSS TODAY ARE ESTEVAN RAEL GALVEZ, THANK YOU FOR COMING AND CARMELLA PADILLA, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.

>>CARMELLA: THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

>>LORENE: YOU BET.

AND I AM LORENE MILLS AND I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU OUR AUDIENCE FOR BEING WITH US TODAY ON A VERY SPECIAL EDITION OF REPORT FROM SANTA FE .

REPORT FROM SANTA FE IS MADE POSSIBLE, IN PART, BY GRANTS FROM THE NEW MEXICO MUNICIPAL LEAGUE, A BETTER NEW MEXICO THROUGH BETTER CITIES AND FROM