ANNOUNCER 1: The Pennsylvania Game is made possible in part by-- ANNOUNCER 2: By a grant from the Pennsylvania Public Television Network.

The network receives funding from the Commonwealth to provide public television for all Pennsylvanians.

ANNOUNCER 1: Now let's get the game started.

Here's the host of The Pennsylvania Game, Scott Bruce.

I love this.

You love them?

You love them?

Is this an audience?

A wonderful audience.

Thank you so much.

Thank you, studio audience.

Thanks, folks at home, for joining us for another round of The Pennsylvania Game.

Pennsylvania, a show that actually celebrates Pennsylvania.

And you know you're from Pennsylvania.

If you ever wore a snowsuit under your Halloween costume.

So-- I like these guys.

Let's go ahead and meet our panelists for this show.

We're going to start right over here.

He's a human interest columnist with the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.

Please say hello to Tony Norman.

Next up is Betz Hanley.

Betz is an associate professor of kinesiology.

She's also the founder of the Penn State's International Dance Ensemble.

She teaches ballroom dance, plays tennis competitively, and is a member of the International Olympics committee.

Let's have a warm welcome for Betz.

And last but not least, certainly, he's well known for his radio show "Corky's Court" and for his pro bono community legal work.

Please say Hello to Herbert "Corky" Goldstein.

We have a wonderful panel.

I couldn't be happier.

Let's get started with the show.

Give me my first question, please.

ANNOUNCER: Mail Pouch Chewing Tobacco has been advertised on barns for almost a century.

But in 1996, the mail pouch ad campaign came to an end.

Was it because, A, a farmer who developed cancer sued the company-- B, the last official barn painter retired-- C, the Mail Pouch yellow paint was discontinued-- or D, English teachers protested the ad's awkward grammar and syntax?

SCOTT BRUCE: Why did those mail pouch ads go away?

A farmer who developed cancer sued the company, the last official barn painter retired, the mail pouch yellow paint was discontinued, or English teachers protested the ad's awkward grammar and syntax.

Tony, we're going to go to you first.

What do you have?

Knowing a little bit about human nature, I would say that it would have to be something totally ridiculous.

So it would be number C. SCOTT BRUCE: C. You think they ran out of yellow paint.

Yeah, I think-- what else could it be?

You know, I think you've been watching our show.

You know which way we go.

Let's go down to you.

Betz, what do you think?

Actually, I went with the same thing because I thought it sounded pretty ridiculous also.

SCOTT BRUCE: Two C's we have.

We have a C and we have a C. Can we make it three C's in a row?

CORKY GOLDSTEIN: No.

SCOTT BRUCE: No, of course not.

How foolish.

Corky, what do you think?

Well, as a lawyer, I'd have to go with A, with the farmer who developed cancer sued the company.

SCOTT BRUCE: Thinking like a lawyer, which is probably appropriate, being a lawyer.

Right.

SCOTT BRUCE: Let's find out what it really is.

ANNOUNCER: The answer is B.

The last official barn painter retired.

Bloch Brothers Tobacco Company, which created mail pouch chewing tobacco, realized that rural America would be an ideal market for their product.

But instead of constructing billboards, they approached farmers for barn space.

Each barn owner would receive either $5 a year, free tobacco, or free magazine subscriptions.

Their ads appeared all over the country.

But in 1965, as a result of the Highway Beautification Act, commercial signs were banned within 660 of a federally funded highway.

The number of mail pouch barn ads plummeted from 17,000 to less than 2,000.

By 1968, a single barn painter covering a four state area was all that remained of the mail pouch barn painting program.

When Harley Warrick retired in 1996, the Mail Pouch barn era came to an end.

Today, few Mail Pouch barns are still standing in Pennsylvania.

Well, we danced-- we danced all around that one.

I think we got to give these guys another chance to get on the scoreboard.

So let's jump right into another question.

ANNOUNCER: Between 1985 and 1991, most of the 1,500 residents of Centralia, Pennsylvania abandoned their homes.

By 1999, only 46 people remained in this town, located 90 miles Northeast of Philadelphia.

Is Centralia being abandoned because, A, mining runoff contaminated the water supply-- B, a mine fire is smoldering beneath the town-- C, residents claim the town is haunted-- or, D Scott Bruce took up residence there?

SCOTT BRUCE: They snuck one in on me.

Was Centralia abandoned because mining runoff contaminated the water supply?

Was it because a mine fire is smoldering beneath the town?

Is it because residents claim the town is haunted, or was it just me?

And we're going to go down to you, Betz, on this one.

Betz, what do you think?

Having driven through there several times and seeing the smoke rising from the town, I know it's because number B, there is a fire underneath.

A woman who's positive.

I like that on this show.

How about you, Corky?

I was going to go with you, but I knew you didn't live there because I know they would have left.

But I went with B. I believe it's the mine fire was smoldering beneath it.

We've got two fires, and the flyers are burning.

Can you keep them all burning?

Oh yeah.

SCOTT BRUCE: Oh yeah.

That's three B's.

You know what that means on this show.

If everybody gets the same answer, you all win lottery tickets.

Pass them down, one to everybody.

And now let's find out if, in fact, B's the right answer.

ANNOUNCER: The answer is B.

A mine fire has been burning under the town since 1962.

Although no one is sure how it started, most suspect a trash dump fire ignited and exposed coal seam.

Heat and noxious fumes rise from the ground, and cave ins occur unexpectedly.

The fire is so fierce, underground temperatures have exceeded 1,000 degrees.

For three decades, state and federal governments have spent $10 million and more than 16 attempts to contain or extinguish the fire.

In 1984, Congress set aside $42 million to acquire homes and businesses and relocate residents.

To date, more than 540 families and businesses have been relocated.

Fewer than 20 families remain in Centralia.

The Bruce family is not one of them.

I can't believe they put me in there.

All right, let's not waste time.

Let's jump from that and meet our panel a little bit more closely.

Tony Norman, first of all, we have something in common.

We both have gone through life probably being called by our last name first.

Is that right?

Oh yeah.

But what wonder-- what amazes me is you write a column twice a week.

How do you come up with new stuff every-- Well, it's not so hard when you think about it.

I mean, the world is full of all sorts of silly and frightening things, and I just exploit those things.

SCOTT BRUCE: Yeah, like Scott Bruce moving to Centralia.

Yeah, exactly.

Thanks, Sam.

I appreciate it.

OK, down to you, Betz.

Betz, I understand that you love everything about the country Greece.

In fact, I was told you're actually a Greek freak.

Is that true?

I guess so.

I've been there for so many times.

But I have to correct you on one thing.

I'd love to be a member of the International Olympic committee, but I really am not.

But I do work at the International Olympic Academy most summers.

SCOTT BRUCE: Oh, well, that's wonderful.

That's very good.

I thank you for the correction.

That's OK. We appreciate that.

Down to you, Corky.

I saw on your bio that you have done tons and tons of pro bono work, and I can't tell you how happy I am to finally meet a lawyer who's best known for doing most of his work outside.

What got you involved in so much pro bono work?

Well, I saw that a lot of people could not afford legal counsel.

And that's how I started my career, doing it full time.

Now I just do it part time.

I think it's important for the legal profession to reach out to help people, and that's what I'm doing.

I think that's a wonderful thing.

Thanks so much.

Can't waste any time.

Let's give them a new question.

ANNOUNCER: At the start of the Civil War in 1861, Governor Andrew Curtin made a plea to Pennsylvanians to volunteer in the Union Army.

Men from around the state converged on a military base in Harrisburg to offer their services.

What was the name of the base?

A, Camp Union-- B, Camp Curtin-- C, Camp Harrisburg-- or D, Camp Penn.

SCOTT BRUCE: What was the name of this base?

Was it Camp Union, Camp Curtin, Camp Harrisburg, or Camp Penn?

Corky we're going down to you first.

I'm going with Camp Curtin.

SCOTT BRUCE: Camp Curtin.

An excellent answer as far as I'm concerned.

CORKY GOLDSTEIN: Well, I live in Harrisburg.

And I think-- SCOTT BRUCE: Oh, you might have some insight information.

I think I went to that school.

How about you, Tony?

I think we're on the same plane here.

I also went with Camp Union, A. SCOTT BRUCE: Camp Union.

He went with Camp Curtin.

So it's a different plane.

TONY NORMAN: Oh.

SCOTT BRUCE: But that's OK. You just got on the wrong plane.

Yeah.

SCOTT BRUCE: How about you, Betz?

Well, I chose another one, and I chose D, Camp Penn.

SCOTT BRUCE: Camp Penn.

So we have the whole thing surrounded.

How many people want to bet that it's the fourth one?

I'll find out now.

ANNOUNCER: The answer is B, Camp Curtin.

On April 18, 1861, after the surrender of Fort Sumter, Major Joseph Klein proclaimed the base to be Camp Curtin.

Over 300,000 men passed through Camp Curtin, making it the largest federal camp in the north during the Civil War.

Harrisburg's strategic importance as a state capital, military camp, and railroad center was evident by the Confederacy's attempt to take the city during the Antietam and Gettysburg campaigns.

The camp and surrounding areas served as a supply base, a hospital depot, and a prisoner of war camp.

At the end of the war, Camp Curtin was used as a mustering out point for thousands of troops on their way home.

It officially closed on November 11t, 1865.

Camp Curtin.

Yeah.

Well, let's take a look at our stores, and I see we've got Tony with 1, Betts with 1.

But Corky, with 2 points, is leading right now.

That means it's time for our first clue in the Mystery Pennsylvanian.

Get your pens ready.

Here we go.

Born in 1939, in Carnegie, Pennsylvania, this former athlete is known for his fiery temper and hard hitting manner.

Born in 1939, Carnegie, Pennsylvania, former athlete known for his fiery temper and hard hitting manner.

That's a clue there, people.

Hard hitting.

And we've got some answers being written down.

Get them down on your first column.

If you get it right, we will-- we will win points.

Let's go to a new question now.

ANNOUNCER: Undefeated in 48 straight fights over 13 years, this former World Heavyweight champion was nicknamed the Easton Assassin.

Is he, A, Ken Norton-- B, Rocky Marciano-- C, Larry Holmes-- or D, Sonny Liston?

SCOTT BRUCE: OK the Easton Assassin.

Was that Ken Norton, Rocky Marciano, Larry Holmes, Sonny Liston?

Tony, back to you first.

Hey, this is an insult to our intelligence, you know?

This is Larry Holmes.

SCOTT BRUCE: Larry Holmes.

He believes.

He knows.

Uh oh, you just made Betz open her eyes.

Betz, what do you think?

It sounds like I might have been lucky.

I'm not up on my hard hitting people.

I did say C, though, Larry Holmes.

SCOTT BRUCE: Larry Holmes.

We have two Larry Holmes.

Could we possibly get a third?

No.

SCOTT BRUCE: No, of course not.

They don't want those lottery tickets.

What did you pick, Corky?

I'm going with A, Ken Norton.

SCOTT BRUCE: Ken Norton.

OK, we've got two for one and one for another.

And let's find out what it is.

ANNOUNCER: The answer is C, Larry Holmes.

The son of a Georgia sharecropper, his mother moved the family to Eastern, Pennsylvania when Larry was six.

A seventh grade dropout, he worked at a car wash to help support his family.

As a teen, Holmes made money boxing in bars.

When he began his pro career.

Critics said he didn't have a boxer's body and wouldn't go far.

But Holmes proved them wrong.

After 26 consecutive wins, he took the heavyweight title in what many consider one of the best fights ever.

Holmes remained heavyweight champion for seven years.

But because Holmes style was less flamboyant than his predecessor, Muhammad Ali, his talent was underappreciated by fans.

In fact, Holmes claims that boxing fans never forgave him for defeating the popular and charismatic Ali.

Today, Holmes lives and trains in Eastern, Pennsylvania, where he owns $13 million in real estate holdings.

And still fighting.

Still fighting at age 47.

OK, let's go ahead right into another question.

ANNOUNCER: Born in Pittsburgh in 1842, Alfred Packer achieved fame, working as a guide in the Colorado mountains.

Today, he is memorialized in a song, a film, a restaurant, and a mountain trail.

Was Alfred Packer famous for, A, killing a bear with his bare hands-- B, discovering a rich silver mine while digging for rabbits-- C, living among the wolves in childhood-- or D, being convicted of cannibalism.

SCOTT BRUCE: Who says we don't have fun questions on The Pennsylvania Game?

It doesn't get any better than this.

Was Alferd Packer known for killing a bear with his bare hands, discovering a rich silver mine while digging for rabbits, living among wolves in childhood, or being convicted of that ever popular crime, cannibalism?

Betz, we'll go with you first on this one.

What do you think?

Well, since he has a lot of hair on his face, I thought maybe he might have lived with wolves once.

SCOTT BRUCE: Ooh, I like that.

You used logic there, didn't you?

It's going to hurt you on my show.

Corky, what do you think?

I think that he lived with wolves when he was in his childhood as well.

SCOTT BRUCE: Oh, we've got a couple of wolves.

We're looking at possible tickets.

What is it going to be?

Tony?

I'm sorry, but I prefer the right answer, which is-- I mean, just look at the guy.

I mean, he's definitely a cannibal.

SCOTT BRUCE: As a matter of fact, I think-- I think he might be a Fine Young Cannibal.

I don't know.

Wendy, is he a cannibal?

ANNOUNCER: The answer is D, the first American convicted of cannibalism.

In the winter of 1874, Alferd Packer guided five prospectors through the San Juan Mountains.

In the spring, only Packer returned from the expedition.

He told how the men had resorted to cannibalism in order to survive.

But an investigation confirmed suspicions that he murdered and ate the prospectors.

Arrested and jailed for cannibalism, Packer escaped and spent nine years as a fugitive.

He was finally caught, convicted and sentenced to be hanged.

But due to a legal fluke, his conviction was overturned.

He was retried and sentenced to 40 years in prison but was released after serving 15.

University of Colorado, which named its cafeteria after him, has celebrated Alferd Packer day for more than 27 years.

Packer has been commemorated in a ballad, a musical film, a barbecue cook-off, and a mountain trail appropriately named The Cannibal Trail.

Tell us we don't know how to have fun with our questions.

We want to give a special thanks to David Schmidt of Butler, Pennsylvania, for submitting that information.

He'll receive a year's free subscription to Pennsylvania Magazine.

And now it's time to check our scores.

Let's see what we've got.

Tony has 3.

Betz has 2.

Corky has 2.

Tony's taken over the lead, ladies and gentlemen.

Time for our Mystery Pennsylvanian.

Clue number two-- here we go.

His intense play and scrappy style forged his most appropriate nickname.

His intense play and scrappy style forged his most appropriate nickname.

Born in 1939 in Carnegie, Pennsylvania, this athlete, known for his fiery temper and hard hitting manner.

Those are your clues.

See what you can write.

Everybody's got something going down, which is good because we only have seconds before we bring back Wendy for another question.

BETZ HANLEY: My eyes are all screwed up.

ANNOUNCER: Born and raised in Chester, Pennsylvania, Ethel Waters reached stardom during the Harlem Renaissance of the 1920s.

A jazz and blues artist as well as stage and screen actress, Ethel Waters was often billed as-- A, Sweet Mama String Bean-- B, Sassy-- C, Little Miss Cornshucks-- or D, Lady Day?

SCOTT BRUCE: This is a good one.

I like this one.

These are all legitimate names, by the way.

We did not make any of these up.

Sweet Mama String Bean, Sassy, Little Miss Cornshucks, or Lady Day?

Corky, we're going down to you first.

I'm going with Sweet Mama String Bean.

SCOTT BRUCE: And for a reason, or you just like that name?

I just think that name is cool.

It is good.

I like it.

I like it too.

What do you think, Tony?

I initially put D, but then I realized I was wrong.

It's B, Sassy.

SCOTT BRUCE: It's B, Sassy.

And you're sure now.

Oh yeah.

SCOTT BRUCE: OK.

I wouldn't bet.

How about you, Betz?

Well, I like Sassy too, and I'm not sure why I chose it.

But I thought she looked pretty sassy.

SCOTT BRUCE: I think they're great names.

We got two Sassys and a String Bean.

Tell me what it is.

ANNOUNCER: The answer is A, Sweet Mama String Bean, a reference to her slender profile.

Married and divorced by age 14, Ethel Waters rose from poverty in Chester, Pennsylvania, to international acclaim.

In the '20s, she sang the blues in Harlem, where she was billed as Sweet Mama String Bean.

She later appeared on Vaudeville and in pop revues on Broadway and eventually landed dramatic roles.

Her performance as Granny in the 1949 film Pinky transcended the stereotypical Black mammy role and won her an Oscar for Best Supporting Actress.

Waters drew on her personal experiences and hardships, convincing her fans that she was indeed the long suffering, heroic characters she often played.

ETHEL WATERS: (SINGING) --that she certainly can can can.

I love these things.

We have an interesting tidbit.

Waters toured with evangelist Billy Graham from 1957 until her death from heart failure in 1977.

And if you want to find out more about Sweet Mama String Bean, why not check out our website?

We'd love to have you visit.

Let's go ahead right now with another question.

ANNOUNCER: In 1982, milk was named Pennsylvania's official state beverage.

Who is Pennsylvania's biggest milk customer?

Is it A Hershey's Foods-- B, Kraft Foods-- C, Carnation Baby Formulas-- or D, Pennsylvania Public Schools?

SCOTT BRUCE: OK. Hm, biggest milk customer.

It is our official beverage.

I kind of like that.

You know, it builds strong bones for you youngsters out there viewing at home.

Is it Hershey's Foods-- [kiss] Oh, very nice on the sound effects.

A little kiss there for you.

Is it Kraft Foods?

Is it Carnation Baby formulas or Pennsylvania Public Schools?

Tony, you get to try first.

Yeah, I think this has to be the little kids in school drinking all that milk.

SCOTT BRUCE: So you think it's D, public-- Yeah.

SCOTT BRUCE: --schools.

OK. Betz, what do you think?

Well, as large as Hershey is, I also think it's the public schools.

SCOTT BRUCE: OK, so you're still going to stick with the schools, even with the Hershey Kiss we gave you and everything.

Yeah.

How about you, Cork?

I'm going with Hershey Foods.

I live near Hershey, and I think they use a lot of milk.

SCOTT BRUCE: OK, well, we've got a D a D, and an A and I think a bunch of wrong answers.

Oh!

ANNOUNCER: The answer is A, Hershey's Foods.

The Pennsylvania chocolate giant uses 175,000 gallons of fresh milk daily to make its chocolate.

Dairy is Pennsylvania's number one agricultural industry, and we rank fourth behind California, Wisconsin and New York in milk production.

11,500 Pennsylvania dairy farmers generate more than 124 million gallons of milk annually.

Pennsylvanians drink 28 million gallons of milk, or 24 gallons per person each year.

the average cow today gives 5 and 1/2 gallons a day, about four times as much as they did in 1950.

A top producer can give 15 to 17 gallons in a single day.

SCOTT BRUCE: Time for our third clue in the Mystery Pennsylvanian.

And by the way, Corky, I thought your answer was utterly ridiculous.

They usually are.

Our third clue in the Mystery Pennsylvanian-- here we go, kids.

In 1988, he was the first tight end inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame and is one of only two people to have won a Super Bowl as a player, assistant coach, and head coach.

1988, he was the first tight end inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame and is one of only two people to have won a Super Bowl as a player, assistant coach, and head coach.

He was born in 1939 in Carnegie, Pennsylvania.

This athlete is known for his fiery temper and hard hitting manner.

His intense play and scrappy style forged his most appropriate nickname.

We've got some confusion on a couple of people.

Toney seems to be done.

And no, we're going to have to find out our answers now.

Betz, we'll go to you first as she scribbles furiously.

Furiously scribble and set your card up.

I'm so sorry.

It's all wrong.

SCOTT BRUCE: Oh no, who cares?

That's the good part.

What do you have?

I wish it were Joe, but it's not.

SCOTT BRUCE: Bill Bradley, Rocky, which I think is a great guess, or Joe Pa. Yeah.

You can't go better than that.

If you're going to be wrong on The Pennsylvania Game, choose Joe Pa as an answer.

It's a guaranteed applause break.

Way to go, Betz.

Corky, what do you think?

OK, we have James Thorpe, James-- Cagney?

No, Carnegie.

SCOTT BRUCE: Carnegie.

I figured since he's born in Carnegie, he may be that good at it.

SCOTT BRUCE: And you're going to have to help me on the last one.

I can't read it.

Joe Paterno.

SCOTT BRUCE: Joe Paterno.

[applause] Need I say more?

Pretty much, if you want applause, all you're going to have to do is put down Joe Paterno three times.

Of course, you might, just as a thought, want to go for the right answer.

Let's see what you got, Tone.

Billy Penn., Joe Paterno, Joe Paterno.

SCOTT BRUCE: Joe Paterno!

All right.

Even though I think almost everybody on the planet knows Joe Paterno is from Brooklyn, not Pennsylvania, let's find out from Wendy what the right answer is.

TONY NORMAN: Uh-oh.

ANNOUNCER: Iron Mike Ditka was born in Carnegie in 1939.

As a senior at the University of Pittsburgh in 1960, he was named First Team All-American.

A year later, he was drafted by the Chicago Bears and played in the Pro Bowl all six seasons he was with the Bears.

Ditka began his coaching career with the Dallas Cowboys in 1972 but his most famous as the intense head coach of the Chicago Bears.

In 1988, the year he was inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame, he suffered a heart attack mid-season, then went on to lead the Bears to a winning season.

Retired from coaching in 1992, Ditka became a commentator for NBC.

In 1997, He returned to football as head coach of the New Orleans Saints.

Mike Ditka, a famous Pennsylvanian.

Ditka!

Ditka!

Hard hitting Mike Ditka.

I think we all knew that somewhere.

The people at home knew that, didn't you?

You did, I'm sure.

OK, let's take a look at our scores.

What do we have now?

It looks like Tony has 3 points.

Betz has 2.

Corky has 4 points.

He's the champion.

Let's find out.

Wendy, what did he win?

ANNOUNCER: OK, here's a toast to today's winner-- a gift basket of wine from Oak Spring Winery, Altoona, and a basket of fine chocolates from Gardners Candies, Tyrone, plus 50 chances to win $1,000 a week for life from the Pennsylvania lottery.

Pass that right over.

Oh, there's so many.

Look at this.

We've got to hand them down, hand them down as lottery tickets too.

He's won all these things.

We have had a great time on today's show.

Thanks to you.

Thanks to you.

Thanks to you folks watching at home.

Join us on our website.

Bye now.

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