>>> HOW WE AMEND THE CONSTITUTION?

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THE MOVE TO MAKE IT HARDER TO FORGE --ANYTHING.

SECRETARY OF STATE AND BRENT STEWART WANT TO MAKE IT SO 60% OF OHIO VOTERS WOULD HAVE TO APPROVE CHANGES TO THE CONSTITUTION.

RIGHT NOW IT TAKES A SIMPLE MAJORITY.

THIS WEEK MATT HELTON SAID HE PROMOTES THE MOVE.

CRITICS SAY IT'S A MOVE TO THWART VOTES ON PROTECTING THE LAID THE WAY WE HAVE ELECTED LEADERS.

>> IT SEEMS TO BE FAST TRACKED.

THERE WAS A LENGTHY CAUCUS I GUESS IF YOU WOULD OVER THAT YESTERDAY .

I JUST THINK THAT THE POLITICAL -- INSIDE ESPECIALLY WITH HOFFMAN SAYING THAT HE IS GOING TO SUPPORT IT , IT WAS SORT OF A QUESTION BECAUSE IT CAME OUT OF THE HOUSE.

THEY SEEM DETERMINED.

>> 60% SEEMS LIKE A REASONABLE MARGIN.

NO MATTER HOW REASONABLE IT SOUNDS , THE POWER IS IN THE PEOPLE AND IF THE PEOPLE WANT TO CHANGE THE CONSTITUTION THEY SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO THAT.

THE CONSTITUTION IS SACRED AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT EVERY THING THAT IS PUT FORTH THAT SHOULD BE THERE BUT IT SEEMS LIKE EVERY TIME THAT THINGS DON'T GO THE REPUBLICANS WAY THEY CHANGE THE RULES IN ORDER TO MAKE IT HARDER.

>> --OTHER STATES VOTING TO SUPPORT ABORTION RIGHTS?

STATES LIKE KENTUCKY AND KANSAS.

SCENIC A LOT OF CONSEQUENCES.

IT'S NOT ABOUT ABORTION SPECIFICALLY.

THEY ARE RAISING THE BAR FOR THEMSELVES AS WELL.

TO MAKE SURE YOU DON'T HAVE THESE OUTSIDE LOBBYING GROUPS THAT SPEND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS MISLEADING OHIOANS.

LAST MONTH THERE WAS A GREEN INITIATIVE THAT WAS FLOATING AROUND IN COLUMBUS AND A JUDGE $87 MILLION OF TAXPAYER MONEY GOING TO A SECRETIVE GREEN ENERGY DEAL .

NOW THIS INDIVIDUAL WHO WAS PUSHING FOR THIS --IT'S THE LARGEST SCAM IN COLUMBUS CITY AND HE WILL BEHIND CHARGE BEHIND BARS BECAUSE A JUDGE -- >> THAT DID NOT HAPPEN.

THEY DIDN'T REQUIRE A 60% MARGIN TO DO IT.

TO MAKE THAT CHANGE.

>> LOOK AT ISSUE ONE AND ISSUE TWO.

WE PASSED THAT IN OUR STATE AT OVER 70% SO WHY NOT INCREASE TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T HAVE OTHER GROUPS COMING IN SPENDING THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN SECRET AND WASTING OUR TIME AND OUR TAXPAYER DOLLARS AND NOT PROTECT OUR CONSTITUTION?

>> KEEPS SPECIAL INTERESTS OUT OF THE OHIO CONSTITUTION.

LAWMAKERS ARE TRYING TO TAKE YOUR VOTE AWAY.

>> AGAIN, IT THE VOTERS THAT SUFFER IN OHIO.

THE VOTERS SHOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE THOSE TYPE OF DECISIONS.

NOT LEGISLATIVE.

IF THE VOTERS WANT THAT THEY HAVE THE POWER TO PUT THAT ON THE BALLOT AS WELL.

>> AND IRONICALLY ENOUGH IT WILL HAVE TO PASS --.

THEN SHOULD IT PASS --I SHOULD NOTE THAT THIS IS A TIME WHEN YOU HAD MENTIONED THE OTHER STATES IN THE ABORTION ISSUE.

THEY WERE VERY SURPRISED WHEN KANSAS PASSED THIS.

IT WAS ABOUT 57 OR 58% .

OTHER AROUND THERE SOMEWHERE.

IT'S A LITTLE BIT STRANGE THAT THE CONSTITUTIONAL MODERNIZATION INSTITUTION HAD SUGGESTED -- >> WHY NOT 55%?

THAT'S EIGHT --MARGIN.

THAT'S A CORE MAJORITY.

HOW ABOUT 55 INSTEAD OF 60?

>> I THINK WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO DO HERE IS INCREASE THE -- OF EVERYBODY.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO SEE 5% NOW TO HAVE ANY PASSAGE OF WHEELS IN MOTION WHEN ESPECIALLY -- I THINK IS ABSOLUTELY IMPORTANT THAT WE PROTECT THAT.

WE WILL HAVE CONTINUED SPECIAL INTEREST COMING FROM OTHER STATES.

LET THEM DECIDE IF IT'S GOING TO BE ON THE BALLOT.

>> YOU ALL OF THOSE THINGS COULD BE ON THE TABLE TO BE QUITE HONEST BUT AGAIN YOU HAVE A REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR AND ADMINISTRATION.

YOU HAVE REPUBLICAN SENATE.

YOU HAVE A REPUBLICAN HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.

THIS IS ABOUT POWER.

THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE.

IT'S ABOUT THE POWER AND CONTROL OF THE REPUBLIC.

>> --LEGALIZE RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA WOULD NOT REQUIRE 60% MARGIN.

SUPPORTERS ARE NOT TRYING TO CHANGE THE CONSTITUTION, THEY ARE JUST TRYING TO CHANGE STATE LAW.

BEFORE LAWMAKERS BUT LAWMAKERS ARE EXPECTED TO RECEIVE THE PROPOSAL NEXT MONTH.

THEY WILL HAVE MONTHS TO APPROVE IT.

AS IS NO CHANGES AND IF THEY DON'T SUPPORTERS WOULD HAVE TO COLLECT MORE SIGNATURES TO GET IT ON THE NOVEMBER 2023 BALLOT.

>> THIS WAS A COURT ELEMENT.

ARE THEY GOING TO LIVE UP TO THAT PROMISE?

>> NO.

I DO THINK THAT THE SOURCE OF THINGS GIVING PRESSURE ARE NON- BECAUSE WHEN THE PEOPLE COME FORWARD AND THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT MOST ARE TRYING TO AMEND, THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT IT.

THIS IS A PROCESS THAT THEY THINK WORKS AND CAN WORK AND SO I IMAGINE THAT THEY WILL ACT IN ORDER TO NOT HAVE THAT VALID ISSUE OUT THERE.

>> WOULD IT PASS?

>> THIS IS THE TREAT ALCOHOL AND MARIJUANA THE SAME.

IF RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA MAKES IT TO THE BALLOT , IT PASSES IN THE STATE.

>> IT WILL PASS IN THIS STATE.

SEVERAL STATES HAVE ARTIE WENT TO TO RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA DEPENDS ON WHO YOU ASK WHETHER IT'S SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE SUPPORT OR NOT.

I WOULD SAY THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WANT RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA .

THERE'S PROS AND CONS.

THE WORKFORCE ISSUE .

THERE'S BUSINESS AND ALL TYPES OF LEGAL ISSUES THAT GO ALONG WITH THAT SO WE WILL SEE.

>> IS IT A GOOD IDEA?

MICHIGAN HAS LEGAL MARIJUANA.

>> WE HAVE LEGAL MEDICAL MARIJUANA BUT IS LIKELY TO CONDITIONS THAT ARE PERMITTED RIGHT NOW.

IF YOU TALK TO PARENTS WITH AUTISM THEY ARE SUCH A HUGE PUSH.

WHY AREN'T WE ADDING MORE I DO THINK WE NEED TO OPEN THAT UP IN THIS STATE AND AGAIN LET THE VOTERS TO DECIDE.

THIS IS A LONG TIME COMING VOTE OF THE --GOING TO OTHER STATES TO ALLOW FOR USE SO WE SHOULD PUT THIS ON THE BALLOT AND LET THE VOTERS DECIDE BUT I AGREE WITH DEREK.

>> --A WIDE IN THAT LIST.

CONDITIONS THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED.

IS THAT A PREEMPTIVE STRIKE TO TRY TO DAMPEN DOWN THE ENTHUSIASM FOR THE RECREATIONAL?

>> I THINK A LITTLE BIT AND I ALSO AGREE THAT IT'S PART OF JUST WE ARE CON ONLY REVISING THIS LAW THAT WE HAVE AND WHEN IT BECOMES THIS COMPETITIVE THING, WE FOUND THIS WITH GAMBLING OVERTIME.

OPINIONS BEGAN TO CHANGE AND IT BECAME THE LAW IN SURROUNDING STATES AND NOW WE ARE STARTING TO SEE THAT IN MICHIGAN AND OTHER PLACES ARE TALKING ABOUT IT I THINK THAT AS A COUNTRY WE ARE KIND OF EVOLVING ON THIS ISSUE.

>> WHERE DOES THE MONEY COME FROM IF THIS DOES GET ON THE BALLOT?

DOES IT COME FROM THE PRO- MARIJUANA LEGALIZATION CAMP OR FROM OPPONENTS?

>> I THINK THAT IT COMES FROM FRO LEGALIZATION ORGANIZATIONS ACROSS THE COUNTRY THAT WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE EXPANSION OF LEGAL MARIJUANA IN OHIO.

MICHIGAN HAS IT ALREADY.

ILLINOIS HAS IT AND THERE IS A NUMBER OF STATES THAT ARE SURROUNDED --THAT SURROUND OHIO THAT HAVE LEGAL MARIJUANA SO I THINK YOU WILL HAVE MONEY FROM A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS AND WEALTHY PEOPLE.

>> I DON'T HAVE A MEDICAL MARIJUANA CARD BUT I HEARD FROM FRIENDS THAT DO THAT IT'S ALL BRANDED ALREADY.

THERE'S A BRAND OUT THERE CALLED CLUTCH AND IT HAS A CLOWN ON IT.

LIKE OTHER STATES WITH MEDICAL MARIJUANA, IT SEEMS LIKE OHIO IS ALREADY READY FOR THIS SHOULD HAPPEN.

>> I THINK OHIOANS HAVE BEEN READY.

I THINK THESE BUSINESS OWNERS ARE WAITING FOR MORE MARKET OPPORTUNITY SO THEY CAN GROW AND EXPAND THEIR LICENSES .

OHIO WAS SMART AND BEING SLOW AND METHODICAL BUT NOW THAT THE STATE HAS IT UNDER CONTROL ALLOW IT TO BE MORE BUSINESS FRIENDLY AND OPEN IT UP SO THAT CULTIVATORS AND OTHERS CAN ACTUALLY EXPAND THEIR BUSINESSES.

>> ABSOLUTELY AND THE ONLY THING THAT I WANTED TO ADD TO THAT THAT IF RECREATIONAL MARINER JUST HAPPEN TO BE THE LAW OF THE LAND IN OHIO I WOULD HOPE THE LAWMAKERS WOULD MAKE SOME CONCESSIONS FOR PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN IN PRISON FOR MARIJUANA AND HOPEFULLY EXPUNGE SOME THINGS THAT ARE JUST THOSE PETTY MARIJUANA DEALERS THAT ARE DOING JAIL TIME.

>> I THINK THAT IS A PART OF THIS BEFORE LAWMAKERS.

>> I THINK SO.

>> AND I MEAN WHAT BIDEN HAD DONE WITH THE PARDONS IN THAT AREA I THINK THERE IS ALSO PRESSURE BUILDING THERE AS WELL.

>> ARE LAWMAKERS ON THE MIDDLE OF A BUSY SEASON AT THE END OF SESSION.

A LAME-DUCK SESSION THE BIGGEST ISSUE IS OHIO'S ABORTION LAW.

A COURT DECISION HAS PUT THE CURRENT LAWS BANNING ABORTION ON HOLD .

SOME ABORTION-RIGHTS OPPONENT WANT TO BAN THE PROCEDURE AT CONCEPTION WITH NO EXCEPTIONS.

>> THAT DECISION WAS IN LATE JUNE.

OHIO HAS A VERY STRONG ANTIABORTION EDUCATOR.

WHY NOT JUST DO IT IN THE LAME DUCK SESSION AND GET IT DONE?

>> THAT DAN DID GO INTO EFFECT UNTIL A JUDGE BANNED IT FROM MOVING FORWARD SO IN TERMS OF RUNNING ANOTHER BILL THROUGH WHEN WE ALREADY HAVE A DECISION PENDING IN THE COURT DOESN'T WE NEED TO FOCUS WHAT THAT HAND RIGHT NOW.

SOME OF THE LAME DUCK --.

MOST OHIOANS AGREED UPON IT AND WE GO TO LEGISLATORS AGAIN AND AGAIN SO IF SOMETHING IS GOING TO PASS WE WILL BE A STATE WITH A HEART THE LAW IN EFFECT I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO PUSH THIS ANYMORE.

>> WHAT IS YOUR TAKE ON THIS?

>> WELL , AS YOU MENTIONED WE ARE A HARD BEAT BILL STATE.

I THINK THAT PUSHING ANY OTHER LAWS COULD JEOPARDIZE WHAT THEY CURRENTLY HAVE ON THE BOOKS SO I DON'T THINK THAT --AND THERE WILL BE SOME EFFORT TO DO AN INCREASED ABORTION BILL IN OHIO, BUT I'M NOT SURE HOW.

I'M NOT SURE IF IT WILL MAKE IT THROUGH LAME DUCK.

>> I AM SENSING THAT IT'S MORE LIKELY THAT IT'S NOT AN EXTREME BILL BUT ONE THAT TAKES INTO ACCOUNT THE SHORT EXPANSE WE HAVE WITH THE HEARTBEAT BILL.

WHERE WE HAD A LOT OF PROBLEMS AND A LOT OF CASES OBVIOUSLY, THE 10-YEAR-OLD VICTIM HAVING TO GO TO THE OTHER STATE AND I THINK THERE IS SOME MUMBLING THAT WE WOULD TRY TO LOOK AT CLARIFYING A FEW OF THOSE THINGS THAT WERE AT THAT POINT.

LIKE MISCARRIAGE CARE AND BIRTH CONTROL AND OTHER THINGS WHERE --SO THAT IT'S --THERE'S MORE CLARITY AS OPPOSED TO MORE RESTRICTIONS.

>> LOOKING AT THE CALENDAR AND ABORTION-RIGHTS OPPONENTS HAVE PLAY THE LONG GAME BUT POINTING THIS OUT IF LAWMAKERS WERE TO --ARE THEY WAITING FOR A POSSIBLE -- ARE THEY JUST WAITING TO SEE HOW THIS 60% DEAL WORKS AND THEN GOING FOR IT?

>> I THINK WE ALREADY PASSED THE HEARTBEAT BILL SO IT'S WORTH WAITING TO SEE.

AND AS A NEW MOTHER I WILL TELL YOU LIFE UPON CONCEPTION, I DO NOT WANT TO FORCE MY PERSONAL BELIEFS ON ANYBODY ELSE BUT WE ARE TRULY A STATE THAT HAS BECOME MORE AND MORE CONSERVATIVE AND IF THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS OUT THERE LAWMAKERS ARE WILLING TO SIT DOWN AND TALK ABOUT IT BUT TO SIT HERE AND SAY THAT REPUBLICANS ARE TRYING TO PUSH THIS VALID ISSUE SO WE CAN PROVIDE ABORTION 100%, THAT'S NOT -- THE BALLOT INITIATIVE IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT AND VOTERS GET TO DECIDE THAT THOUGH IN MY OPINION COMPLETELY TWO DIFFERENT TOPICS.

AND I THINK THAT THE ABORTION MEASURE --I DON'T KNOW --TO HIS POINT I DON'T KNOW IF IT MATTERS THAT THEY DID THAT NOW OR NOT BECAUSE THE HEARTBEAT BILL PUT A BAN ON ABORTIONS AND IT GOES ON AND ON.

THERE'S NOT REALLY THAT MUCH MORE TO GO.

>> I THINK THAT FOLKS ARE GETTING FED UP WITH ALL THE BANDS AND ALL OF THE PROPOSALS AT THE STATEHOUSE TO GET CONTINUOUSLY MORE EXTREME.

I THINK IF YOU CONTINUE DOWN THIS PATH YOU WILL HAVE A SITUATION WHERE SOME FOLKS ARE'S DART GOING TO GET VOTED OUT OF OFFICE.

I KNOW THAT WE JUST VOTED IN A NEW GENERAL ASSEMBLY.

WE HAVE THE RE-ELECTION OF THE GOVERNOR -- >> PUT IT BACK IN THERE?

>> I THINK THERE WERE SOME OTHER REASONS WHY THEY GOT RE- ELECTED.

SUCCESS IN THE STATE.

I THINK THE GOVERNOR DID A REALLY GOOD JOB WITH COVID.

SOME OF THESE EXTREMES ABORTION BILLS AND INITIATIVES, I THINK THE VOTERS ARE JUST GETTING FED UP WITH IT.

>> SO YOU SUPPORT THE MOVE TO SEVERELY LIMIT POWERS OF THE STATE BOARD OF EDUCATION?

THE BILL BEFORE LAWMAKERS WILL MOVE CONTROL TO THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE .

THE 19 MEMBER BOARD WOULD BE INVOLVED IN HIRING THE STATE SCHOOL SUPERINTENDENT AND LYSING LICENSING.

THIS COMES AFTER DEMOCRATS WON THREE ELECTED SEATS IN NOVEMBER.

DEREK, DOES THIS MAKE SENSE TO HAVE EDUCATION IN THE GOVERNMENT OFFICE?

>> LISTEN, THE GOVERNOR SHOULD DEFINITELY HAVE SOMEONE IN THEIR OFFICE THAT'S LOOKING AT EDUCATION ACROSS THE STREET BUT AGAIN, THIS IS ANOTHER POWER PLAY BECAUSE THE DEMOCRATS -- WE HAD THE MAJORITY ON THE STATES BOARD OF EDUCATION.

IT'S NO COINCIDENCE THAT THIS IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW BECAUSE IT'S NOT AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE TO TAKE POWER FROM THAT BOARD OF EDUCATION OR THIS BOARD OF EDUCATION WILL BE LIMITED TO JUST MEDIAL THINGS.

THEY WON'T REALLY HAVE ANY REAL POWER.

THE PEOPLE OF OHIO PUT THOSE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD IN THOSE POSITIONS AND SO, THE POWER PLAY, AGAIN BY THE REPUBLICANS TO EXERT POWER.

>> IS THIS ALL ABOUT MONEY?

ONE OF THE THINGS IS -- ADMINISTER AND SUPERVISE THE ALLOCATION AND DISTRIBUTION OF ALL STATE AND FEDERAL FUNDS UNDER THE PROVISION OF THE LAW.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

GOVERNORS WANT TO TAKE THAT AND THAT THE IDEA IS THAT WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO TAKE ALL OF THE FUNDS AND IN EDUCATION AND THE SECOND OR THE THIRD --CHUNK OF MONEY IN OUR STATE.

THEY WANT TO TAKE THAT AND BE ABLE TO SPEND IT AND MOVE IT AROUND AND USE IT .

IT'S JUST NOT AN EASY THING TO DO WITH THE WAY THAT OUR STATE IS SET UP.

OUR CONSTITUTION AND OUR LAWS.

IT'S A CHECK AND BALANCE TYPE THING MEANING THAT BOARD IS A COMBINATION OF DISTRICTS AND LARGE AND GOVERNOR APPOINTEES SO IT IS INTENDED TO WORK LIKE THAT.

>> IS THIS JUST A POWER GRAB?

>> I THINK IT'S GOING TO BENEFIT STUDENTS.

WE KNOW THAT OUR EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM HAS BEEN BAD FOR YEARS.

MY MOM WAS A PUBLIC SCHOOL TEACHER AND I CAN TELL YOU FIRST HAND KIDS ARE MORE BEHIND NOW BECAUSE OF COVID SO I THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT MOVE FOR THE MINISTRATION TO GET IN AND TRY TO CLEAN THIS UP AND DEMOCRAT REPUBLICAN , IT DOESN'T MATTER, IT'S ABOUT OUR KIDS.

>> ABSOLUTELY NOT, OUR KIDS ARE BEHIND BECAUSE OF COVID.

WE SHOULD BE FUNDING OUR STUDENTS AND NOT --AND THERE'S A BACKPACK PILL.

THAT'S REALLY WHAT OUR FOCUS SHOULD BE IS THE SCHOOL BOARD WHICH IS NOT MAKING GOOD DECISIONS FOR OUR KIDS.

LET'S GIVE THE GOVERNOR THE AUTHORITY AND THE BALANCE BUDGET SO THAT HE CAN HAVE STUDENTS NOT IN INSTITUTIONS.

>> THERE IS A HUGE NEW MOMENTUM AT THE SCHOOL BOARD ON THE CONSERVATIVE SIDE BECAUSE THIS IS ONE OF THE AREAS THAT CONSERVATIVES DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY ARE BEING HEARD AND ARE TRYING TO TAKE OVER THE SCHOOL BOARDS POSITIONS AND IN SOME CASES STATE BOARDS AS WELL BECAUSE OF VARIOUS CONCERNS AROUND SCHOOL.

>> FOR THE SECOND TIME IN THREE YEARS OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY IS LOOKING FOR A NEW PRESIDENT.

CHRISTINA JOHNSON ANNOUNCED SHE WOULD RESIGN IN MAY AFTER ONLY 2 1/2 YEARS ON THE JOB.

SHE DID NOT GIVE A REASON FOR HER DECISION.

THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES DO NOT GIVE A REASON.

THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH REPORTS SAYS THEY ASKED HER TO RESIGN .

WE HAVE SEEN THIS BEFORE.

PRESIDENTS, AND PRESIDENTS GO .

>> PARTICULARLY ONCE THEY DECIDE TO GO IN EARLY IT'S AGREEMENT BEHIND THE SCENES BUT HAS TO DO WITH EITHER THE OPERATION OR THE UNIVERSITY AND HOW THE BOARD WANTS IT RUN AND HOW THE PRESIDENT WANTS IT RUN AND SO IT IS KIND OF SHOCKING IN THIS CASE BECAUSE SHE'S ONLY HALFWAY THROUGH FIVE YEAR CONTRACT AND IT WAS AN EXPENSIVE SEARCH AND SO , SHE HAS A PRETTY WONDERFUL -- >> PUBLIC CONTROVERSY WITH CHRISTINA JOHNSON.

MICHAEL DRAKE HAD A DEAL WITH --SITUATION.

CHRISTINA JOHNSON HAS INTEL AND HAS A TON OF MONEY FROM INTEL.

IT'S SHOCKING WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT'S GOING ON.

>> FROM EVERYTHING WE CAN SEE SHE DID A GREAT JOB WHILE SHE WAS HERE IN HER 2 1/2 YEARS OF HER FIVE-YEAR CONTRACT, RIGHT?

YOU KNOW, THE THING WITH THE DAY IS POWER AND I THINK THAT THIS IS A STRUGGLE BETWEEN THE POWERS THAT BE WHETHER THAT BE THE BOARD, WHETHER THAT BE FACULTY , SENATE, OR FOLKS THAT ARE HIGH UP IN THE FACULTY, WHETHER THERE'S COMMUNITY LEADERS THAT DIDN'T LIKE THE DIRECTION THAT THE UNIVERSITY WAS GOING.

IT'S UNFORTUNATE FOR THE UNIVERSITY BECAUSE WE DID SPEND A LOT OF MONEY ON THIS SEARCH AND NOW WE ARE HERE AGAIN TRYING TO FIND A NEW LEADER THAT WILL HAVE TO FILL INTO THIS ROLE.

>> ARE THEY GOING TO LOOK AT THIS JOB AND SAY -- NOW THE SITUATION WITH AN OUTSIDER WITH CHRISTINA JOHNSON.

>> I THINK THERE MIGHT BE A NEW PLAYER SOMEBODY WHO'S IN THE STATE OF OHIO THAT HAS AN UNDERSTANDING OF NOT ONLY THE BOARD, THE DIRECTION THAT OHIO STATE WANTS TO GO AND THE FACULTY IS UNFORTUNATE BUT WE ARE IN A SITUATION AS JULIE AND DEREK SAID WE HAVE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY.

ANYBODY WHO'S GOING TO LOOK AT THIS POSITION WANTS TO KNOW WHAT NOT TO DO AND IF THERE IS AN ISSUE YOU CAN BE METHODICAL AND THOUGHTFUL ABOUT THIS BUT YOU DESERVE TO KNOW.

>> IT WASN'T AN INVESTIGATION.

IT WAS A REVIEW.

>> HOW MUCH DID THAT REVIEW COST?

>> JUST REAL QUICK, IT'S NOT THE MAYOR, IS NOT THE GOVERNOR.

>> IT'S TRUE.

OHIO STATE --IT'S A BIG THING HERE.

SPORTS TEAM OBVIOUSLY HAVING PEOPLE CARE MORE ABOUT THAT THAN THEY CARE ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE.

THEY HAVE MADE A LOT OF REVISIONS TO IT BUT I THINK IT WILL COME OUT OF THE STATEHOUSE NEXT WEEK.

>> PHOTO I.D.

AND LIMITING -- >> OHIO STATE LOST.

EVERYBODY'S DEVASTATED.

I'M SORRY.

>> HOPEFULLY WE WILL GET SOME REDEMPTION.

>> OFF THE RECORD I THINK OHIO STATE GETS ANOTHER CHANCE TO PLAY MICHIGAN AND IT DEFEND THIS TIME.

>> SO , FOOTBALL FANS WERE STILL UPSET OVER THE LOSS TO MICHIGAN, HERE'S THE SOLUTION.

WE SHOULD CHANGE THE RULES SO THAT IN ORDER FOR MICHIGAN TO WIN THE GAME IT HAS TO WIN WITHIN 60% MARGIN.

MAYBE IT SHOULD BE A 70% MARGIN.

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