>>> COMING UP NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON.

THE FALL LOUT CONTINUES OVER THE ASSASSINATION OF CONSERVATIVE POLITICAL ACTIVIST CHARLIE KIRK.

>>> A PIECE OF HISTORY FROM THE 9/11 TERRORIST ATTACKS ARE ON DISPLAY IN PHOENIX.

>>> WE WILL CHECK OUT THE CONCERT SERIES AT MIM.

THOSE STORIES AND MORE NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON.

>>> GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO ARIZONA HORIZON.

I'M TED SIMONS.

AN EVENT AT A COLLEGE CAMPUS IN UTAH IS WHERE CHARLIE KIRK WAS SHOT AND KILLED.

THEY FOUND A HUNTING RIFLE IN A WOODED AREA WHERE THE SHOOTER FLED.

THERE IS NO SUSPECT NAME AND NO REPORTED MOTIVE FOR THE SHOOTING.

A REACTION HAS INTENSIFIED POLARIZATION WHILE PROMPTING OTHERS TO RASP ELDOWN ON INFLAMMATORY RHETORIC.

JOINING US IS THE PRESIDENT AND CEO OF HIGH GROUND.

POLITICAL PRESENCE FOR A LONG TIME HERE IN ARIZONA.

WHAT'S GOING ON OUT THERE.

>> WE KNOW IT'S THE POLITICS OF CONTEMPT.

THAT'S THE CURRENCY OF POLITICAL NARRATIVE.

IT BREEDS AN ILL WILL TOWARDS EVERY AMERICAN.

IT'S NOT PRODUCTIVE.

IT'S A CRISIS.

IT'S A MENTAL HEALTHCARE AND BEHAVIORAL HEALTHCARE CRISIS.

THIS NARRATIVE MAKES US WANT TO DISLIKE EVERYONE ELSE.

IT'S DESTRUCTIVE.

>> A NARRATIVE OF THE DEHUMANIZATION OF THE OTHER SIDE.

>> IT'S A LACK OF RESPECT.

THE RULES OF THE ROAD ARE SIMPLE.

THEY ARE OUTLINED IN THE BOOK.

LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF, YOU KNOW.

STAND WITH HIM.

BE HUMBLE AND BEHAVE, THOSE ARE THE RULES.

THAT'S NOT PART OF OUR POLITICAL CULTURE.

WE TRY TO VILIFY SOMEONE ELSE AND USE IT FOR POLITICAL ADVANTAGE.

THAT'S THE NARRATIVE WE HAVE.

IT'S NOT WE ARE BOTH AMERICANS AND TRYING TO MAKE IT BETTER.

>> IS IT ACCOMPLISHING A POLITICAL ADVANTAGE.

WHAT KIRK FOUNDED.

A VERY STRONG CONSERVATIVE YOUTH ORIENTED GROUP.

HE WAS ALSO PRETTY DIVISIVE AND LOUD IN OPINIONS.

IT HAD TO HAVE SUCCEEDED BECAUSE THAT WAS AGE INFLUENTIAL GROUP.

>> HE SAW AN OPPORTUNITY.

VERY WEALTHY REPUBLICAN DONOR WHO WAS CHARMED BY CHARLIE.

GAVE HIM A LOT OF MONEY.

CHARLIE WAS PREACHING THE NARRATIVE THAT WAS ANTI-WOKE.

THIS WAS 2010, 2011, 2012, HE WAS GOING ONTO COLLEGE CAMPUSES WHERE KIDS WERE FEELING AS OUTED BY THEIR COLLEAGUES.

IF YOU DON'T FEEL THIS YOU ARE NOTE IN.

IT'S THE WRONG CULTURE.

HE TOOK ADVANTAGE ABDOMEN CREATED -- LIKE TRUMP TOOK OVER THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

HE TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THAT OPPORTUNITY AND CREATED A NARRATIVE THAT WAS WILDLY SUCCESSFUL WITH BRINGING YOUNG PEOPLE INTO THE POLITICAL PROCESS.

WE KNOW THIS IS A PROBLEM BECAUSE WE KNOW MOST YOUNG PEOPLE ARE NOT PART OF THE POLITICAL PROCESS.

THEY CHECK OUT.

THIS BECAME A VERY IMPORTANT ELEMENT IN THE PRESENCE OF THE LAST CAMPAIGN.

>> IMPORTANT TO THE POINT OF YOU COULD SAY WITHOUT KIRK'S HELP.

DONALD TRUMP WOULD NOT BE PRESIDENT TRUMP.

>> YOU COULD SAY THAT IN SOME OF THE SWING STATES HE WAS VERY CRITICAL.

>> TURNING POINT U.S.A. IS IN ARIZONA.

WHAT ARE YOU SEEING?

>> THAT'S MORE COMPLICATED.

ONCE THE 2020 CYCLE HAPPENED AND THE PRESIDENT LOST AND HE CREATED THIS NARRATIVE AROUND FRAUD.

TURNING POINT EMBRACED THAT.

THEY EMBRACED THE FRAUD NARRATIVE.

THAT HE PUT PRESSURE, THE PRESIDENT PUT A LOT OF PRESSURE ON PEOPLE LIKE SPEAKER RUSTY BOWERS.

STEVEN RICHER WHO, YOU KNOW, INVALIDATED THE ELECTION RESULTS.

THEY DIDN'T DO THAT.

AND THEN RUSTY GOT A CALL FROM TURNING POINT SAYING WE'LL BEAT YOU AND TAKE YOU OUT.

THAT'S WHAT THEY DID.

THEY VILIFIED THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A TRAGEDY.

>> HE'S THE FATHER.

WE CAN MAKE IT FROM MAKING CHANGES TO THE PLAN.

>> YOU CAN SAY CHARLIE WAS A CHARISMATIC FIGURE.

HE WAS SUCCESSFUL WITH RAISING MONEY AND WHO FILLS THE SHOES.

WHO CREATES THAT UNITY OF PURPOSE.

WHAT THEY HAVE SEEN AS NOW DONALD TRUMP JR. IS VERY AFFILIATED WITH TURNING POINT AS BEING THE FRUIT WISE WARRIORS.

>> JUST SOCIETY IN JUNE RAL IT'S ON TELEVISION.

YOU CAN SEE THE VIDEO.

IT'S GRUESOME.

WE HAD CLASSROOMS OF SCHOOLCHILD REN REN SLAUGHTER.

THAT RESPONSE IS NOT THE SAME AS THIS ONE.

>> YOU HAVE BEEN AROUND THIS.

THE VISCERAL NATURE.

I WOULDN'T WATCH IT.

MY FAITH TOLD ME NOT TO PUT ANYTHING BAD IN.

IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT DON'T WATCH IT.

I WATCHED IT ON A TINY HAND HELD SCREEN AND I DON'T NEED TO SEE THAT EVER AGAIN.

IT'S THE MURDER OF A FATHER.

IT'S AWFUL GONE THROUGH ALL OF THE POLITICAL ASSASSINATIONS WE GO BABCOCK TO GABBY AND THE MENTAL HEALTHCARE CRISIS.

THE CEO OF UNITED HEALTHCARE GUNNED DOWN IN NEW YORK CITY.

THIS IS WITH US NOW AND A PART OF OUR CULTURE.

TO CHANGE WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT OURSELVES AND TALK ABOUT ARE WE CONTRIBUTING TO THE BETTERMENT OF THIS OR BOTTOM SIDE OF THIS.

WHAT ARE WE ASKING OF OURSELVES.

SOME POLITICAL FIGURE WILL HAVE TO STAND UP AND SAY ENOUGH.

WE HAVE TO STOP IT.

>> IT'S US.

90% OF CONGRESS GETS ELECTED IN SAFE SEAT IN CONGRESS.

THEY WIN A PRIMARY, THEY ARE IN.

THEY ONLY HAVE 15 TO 20 PERCENT OF THE ELECTORATE PARTICIPATING.

EVERYBODY ELSE IS IN BECAUSE YOU ARE A REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT.

THE COUNTRY IS DIVIDED AND COMING DOWN TO NARROW PLACES WHERE OUR ELECTIONS ARE TEXAS IS REDISTRICTING TO HAVE REPUBLICANS ELECTED OVER DEMOCRATS.

YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT OUR FOUNDING FATHERS FATHERS GEORGE WASHINGTON, THAT WAS HIS GREATNESS.

OTHER GREAT MOMENTS IN HISTORY.

THAT WOULD BE A GOOD ONE FOR POLITICAL CULTURE RIGHT NOW.

ONE THAT HOPEFULLY SOMEONE LIKES.

>> DOES THIS HAVE A LASTING IMPACT ON POLITICS IN ARIZONA AND AROUND THE COUNTRY.

I'M TALKING THE LAST ELECTION.

>> YES, IT CERTAINLY WILL.

I WOULDN'T TELL YOU WHICH WAY THAT WILL GO RIGHT NOW.

OUR FIRM IS LOOKING AUTO TURNOUT MARGINS OVERWHELMINGLY REPUBLICAN.

WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A PLUS THREE AND IT WAS A PLUS NINE.

THAT GETS ESSENTIAL ESSENTIALATED THIS COULD FUEL REPUBLICANS.

>> GOOD TO SEE YOU.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

>>> THE HALL OF FLAME FIRE MUSEUM IN PHOENIX IS HOME TO A UNIQUE PIECE OF HISTORY.

A TRUCK FROM QUEENS HAS BEEN FULLY RESTORED.

CHUCK MONTGOMERY IS THE DIRECTOR OF THE HALL OF FLAME.

WE ALSO WELCOME NEW YORK FIRE DEPARTMENT LIEUTENANT BILL.

GOOD TO HAVE YOU BOTH HERE.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

I'D LIKE TO GET TO YOU IN A MINUTE.

YOU LOOK FANTASTIC AND YOU LOOK GOOD AS WELL.

LET'S TALK ABOUT THE HALL OF FLAME.

THAT'S A GOOD LOOKING MUSEUM AS WELL.

THAT'S THE BIGGEST IN THE WORLD.

>> THE LARGEST IN THE WORLD.

THE SIZE OF A HOME DEPOT WITH 100 TRUCKS INSIDE.

>> WHERE ARE YOU LOCATED?

>> 6101 VAN BUREN.

>> ON DISPLAY IS A TRUCK FROM QUEENS.

THIS HAS BEEN RESTORED TO FULL, THE WAY IT LOOKED ON SEPTEMBER 10th.

>> YES, IT DOES.

IT'S BEEN A LONG PROCESS.

TAKEN OVER A DECADE.

YES THE TRUCK IS BACK IN IT'S ORIGINAL CONDEGREES.

>> IS THAT THE ONLY ONE TO BE RESTORED?

>> YES, IT IS.

>> I IMAGE A LOT OF DAMAGE TO A LOT OF TRUCKS.

>> 350 BUS DESTROYED.

BECAUSE OF THE MULTIPLE INCIDENTS WITH THE TRUCK.

THE 9/11 AND THE PLANE CRASH AFTERWARDS.

HAD A LOT OF ACTIVITY.

>> THE TRUCK HAS SEEN A LOT OF THINGS.

YOU SIR, HAS SEEN A LOT OF THINGS.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

>> TALK ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED THAT DAY.

WHAT YOU REMEMBER, SAW, AND THOUGHT.

>> WELL, FORTUNATELY, I WAS OFF THAT DAY.

JUST THE LUCK OF THE DRAW.

I WAS IN QUEENS.

I ACTUALLY HAD A BASEMENT APARTMENT AT MY PARENTS HOME AT THE TIME.

I WAS 28 YEARS OLD.

MY DAD SCREAMED DOWNTURN ON THE TV, THE PLANE JUST HIT THE WORLD TRADE CENTER.

I WATCH IT LIKE EVERYONE ELSE.

THE PHONE RANG AND MY BEST FRIEND.

SHE'S MY GODDAUGHTER.

SHE'S 24 RIGHT NOW.

HE WENT IN ON MONDAY ON THE TENTH TAKING OFF TO TAKE MY DAUGHTER TO THE HOSPITAL.

HE HAPPENED TO NOT BE IN THERE.

THAT WAS ONE OF THE SILVER LINING STORIES.

I GOT MY CLOTHS ON AND HEADED DOWN THERE.

MY MOM SCREAMED, DON'T GO.

YOU KNOW, MY DAD WHO WAS RETIRED AT THE TIME.

I HAD TO GO AND COMES SCREAMING I LOVE YOU AND I JUMPED THERE THE CAR AND STARTED HEADING.

I'M ONLY FIVE MILES FROM LOWER MANHATTAN.

THE TRUCK IS ALL READY DOWN THERE.

LADDER 16 IS DOWN THERE.

AT THE SAME TIME.

OTHERS ARE SHOWING UP AND GRABBING ALL OF OUR GEAR AND THE FIREHOUSES ON E67 IT'S A BUS TO GO TOO THE WEST SIDE.

WE TOOK OVER A NEW YORK CITY BUS.

WE HAD OUR GEAR ON WE GOT TO THE WEST SIDE.

THERE IS ANOTHER FIREHOUSE ON THAT CORNER.

THE CAPTAIN WAS ON THE BUS.

SIGN-IN WE HAVE TO SIGN-IN FOR DUTY.

THE SECOND TOWER CAME DOWN.

>> HOLY SMOKES.

>> THERE IS A CHURCH NEXT TO THE FIREHOUSE.

THEY WERE ON THE NEW YORK CITY BUS.

FIRE TRUCKS PASSING US.

FOR THE FIRST TIME IN THE DAY, I'M SCARED OUT OF MY MIND.

>> I COULD IMAGE.

AT THE SAME TIME THE TRUCK INVOLVED HERE.

I BELIEVE IT'S RESCUE FORD.

A LOT OF CASUALTIES ON THAT TRUCKS.

RESPONDED ON THAT TRUCK.

NOT ALL ARE ON DUTY.

THEY JUMPED ON THE TRUCK.

WENT ALONG WITH THE RESPONSE.

THAT WAS COMMON OF MANY FIREHOUSES.

THE ADDITIONAL, IT WAS RIGHT AROUND SHIFT CHANGE.

>> I WOULD IMAGE YOU HAD A REALLY LONG DAY.

>> I DIDN'T GO HOME THAT NIGHT.

WE WORKED THROUGH THE NIGHT.

I WATCHED SEVEN WORLD TRADE CENTERS FALL DOWN.

ON A MORE POSITIVE NOTE.

I'M IN LADDER 16.

IT'S A DOUBLE HOUSE.

THEY HAPPENED TO BE IN THE WORLD TRADE CENTER WHEN THE BUILDING COLLAPSED WITH LADDER SIX AND A FEW OTHER MEMBERS AND CIVILIANS.

THERE IS OVER 10 PEOPLE OR 12 TO 15 PEOPLE WHEN WALKING OUT OF THE BUILDING OF THE NORTH TOWER AND THE GUY FROM 39 ENGINE.

BOBBY BACON AND JEFF WERE ALL WITH MEMBER OF LADDER SIX.

THE MEMBERS OF LADDER SIX WERE CARRYING A LADY OUT.

>> WOW.

>> THEY ALL WALKED OUT.

>> THAT'S A GREAT STORY.

WE HAVE TO END THE STORY.

WHAT DO YOU WANT PEOPLE TO SEE WHEN THEY SEE THE TRUCK?

>> I'D LIKE THEM TO WALK AWAY WITH THE RESPECT THEY DESERVED.

THEY CONTINUE TO BE LOST AND FOLKS THAT WERE THERE AND WEREN'T KILLED THAT DAY.

409, CONTRACTED DISEASES FROM THE AFTER EFFECTS.

>> LAST QUESTION FOR YOU.

ON SEPTEMBER 11th, WHAT IS THE DAY MEAN TO YOU AND WHAT DO YOU WANT IT TO MEAN TO US.

>> WELL, I JUST WANT EVERYONE TO TAKE A MOMENT AND THINK ABOUT THE SACRIFICE OF EVERYBODY THAT DAY.

COPS AND FIREFIGHTERS THEY RUSHED IN.

THEY DIDN'T ASK ANYBODY WHAT POLITICAL PARTY.

WHAT GENDER AND RELIGION THEY ARE INTO.

THEY RAN 100 MILES PER HOUR TO TAKE PART IN THE LARGEST RESCUE EFFORT.

>> YEAH, WE THANK THEM AND YOU.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

CHUCK MONTGOMERY HALL OF FLAME MUSEUM.

THANK YOU AS WELL AND WE WILL TAKE A LOOK AT RESCUE FOUR TRUCK.

>> THANK YOU.

>>> MUSIC THEATER IS SET TO HOST A NEW SERIES OF CONCERT WITH SHOWS RANGING FROM BLUEGRASS AND POINTS BETWEEN.

WE WELCOME ANDREW.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

>> GREAT TO BE HERE.

>> BEFORE WE GET THERE, FOR SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T KNOW HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE MIM?

>> WOW, MIM IS SO MANY THINGS WE ARE THE ONLY GLOBAL INSTRUMENT MUSEUM.

IT TAKES HOURS AND HOURS TO REALLY TAKE IN ALL OF MIM.

WE ARE PRINCABLY A MUSEUM BUT WE HAVE AN AMAZING CONCERT VENUE.

>> WAS IT THE PLAN TO HAVE A PERFORMANCE VENUE.

>> INITIALLY IT WAS TO HOST MORE.

OVERTIME, IT EVOLVED INTO THE GREATEST ARTIST IN THE WORLD.

>> I DO INDEED GETS UP AND ALL SORTS OF PEOPLE TO TALK ABOUT INCLUDING CELEBRITIES.

JEFF AND KEVIN WILL APPEAR WITH THEIR BANDS?

>> YES, THEY ARE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE BACON BROTHERS.

THEY ARE BOTH PHENOMENAL MUSICIANS.

THEY ARE GREAT ENTERTAINERS.

TWO ENTERTAINERS.

AL AND THE BAND ARE DOING A TRIBUTE TO BRYAN WILSON.

THIS IS REALLY EXCITING.

AL WAS ONE OF THE FOUNDING MEMBERS OF THE BEACH BOYS AND WE RECENTLY LOST BRYAN WILSON.

WE GOT TOGETHER WITH BRYAN'S BANDS AND 12 PEOPLE ON-STAGE DOING THE INCREDIBLE HARM ANY.

TEN PLUS HARMONIES.

IT'S PAYING TRIBUTE TO BRYAN AND IT'S SO EXCITING.

YOU ARE THERE FOR THREE NIGHT.

>> WHAT TIME OF YEAR?

>> THIS IS NOVEMBER, FOLLOWING THANKSGIVING 27, 28, 29.

>> THAT SOUNDS FANTASTIC.

WE ARE LOOKING AT A PERFORMANCE THERE.

>> YEAH, FROM A YEAR AGO.

THIS NEXT SHOW WOULD BE 12 PEOPLE.

>> GOODNESS GRACIOUS.

>> WE ALSO HAVE BLUEGRASS.

DOUGLAS IS LIKE, I MEAN, HE'S IT.

THAT'S IT.

>> ONE OF THE GREATS AS WE SAID IN THE WORLD.

WE JUST ACTUALLY ADDED A SHOW.

IT'S NOT ON SALE YET.

WE ARE EXCITED TO HAVE THE INCREDIBLE BAND.

IT WILL BE A MEMORABLE NIGHT.

I AM SEEING RIDERS IN THE SKY.

HAVE YOU SEEN THAT.

>> IF PEOPLE ARE NOT FAMILIAR.

THE MUSIC WAS IN TOY STORY.

JUST AMERICA'S FAVORITE COWBOY BAND.

LIKE BOB AND THE TEXAS PLAYBOYS.

EXACTLY, EXACTLY.

>> WE HAVE THE KINGS SINGERS.

YES, THEY FORMED IN 1968 WHEN THEY WERE IN SCHOOL TOGETHER IN THE U.K.

THEY HAVE BEEN TOGETHER ALL OF THIS TIME DIFFERENT ITERATIONS AND SINGERS.

THEY SING ALL DIFFERENT KINGS OF MUSIC FROM POP TO CLASSICAL TO FOLK SONGS.

JUST INCREDIBLY TALENTED GROUP OF GUYS.

>> I DIDN'T KNOW THEY DID THE OTHER STUFF.

>> I'M SURE A LOT OF ACTS YOU WANT TO PLAY.

WILL THIS SIT HOW DO YOU KNOW IT FITS.

>> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

>> WELL, WE FUTURE EVERY KIND OF MUSIC.

THE ADAGES IF IT'S GREAT MUSIC IT HAS A GREAT PLACE IN THE THEATER.

EVERY COUNTRY AND EVERY MUSICAL GENERA YOU CAN THINK OF.

WE ARE FORTUNATE AND HAVE GREAT WONDERFUL AUDIENCES.

SO, PEOPLE, I THINK THAT'S THE MAIN THING IS THE MUSIC GREAT AND PROBABLY ABLE TO FUTURE AT MIM.

>> A BIT OF CROSS CULTURE THERE.

>> WE LIKE A DIVERSE ARRAY OF STYLES.

OVER 30 COUNTRIES EVERY YEAR AT MIM.

>> WHAT KIND OF RESPONSE WHEN THEY FIRST SEE THE MUSEUM.

>> THIS IS OUR FAVORITE PLACE TO PLAY.

I THINK FOR A LOT OF REASONS WHEN THEY CHECK IT OUT THEY ARE FOREVER CHANGES.

THEY BRING NEW INCREDIBLE ITEMS.

THE MEMBERS AND AUDIENCES ARE INCREDIBLE.

THE ENERGY HAPPENS ON A NIGHTLY BASIS.

WE ARE TRANSFIXING FOR THE ARTIST.

WE ARE REALLY FORTUNATE OF THE INCREDIBLE FACILITY WE HAVE AND WE WILL KEEP OUR EYE.

>> IT'S MY PLEASURE THANK YOU FOR HAVING US.

>> I'M TED SIMON.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

HAVE A GREAT EVENING.