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>> ERIC: ANOTHER BIG WEEK IN THE CHAUVIN TRIAL.

MARY MORIARTY IS BACK WITH ANALYSIS.

WE'LL LEARN ABOUT A PUSH FOR TOUGHER ANTI-HATE LEGISLATION.

SHELETTA BRUNDIDGE WILL HAVE AN ESSAY FOR US.

AND THEN MARY LAHAMMER PROFILES A FAMILIAR FACE AT THE CAPITOL WHO WILL SOON RETIRE.

AN INCREDIBLE CAREER IS COMING TO A CLOSE FOR SOMEONE WHO HAS SEEN AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF HISTORY IN AND AROUND THE MINNESOTA STATE CAPITOL.

>> I COULDN'T HAVE BEEN IN A BETTER PLACE FOR A BETTER TIME.

>> Mary: THAT STORY IS COMING UP ON "ALMANAC."

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>> ERIC: COMING UP LATER IN THE HOUR, A LOOK AT ANTI-HATE LEGISLATION AT THE STATE CAPITOL, A SHELETTA BRUNDIGE ESSAY, AND A WEATHER VISIT WITH PAUL DOUGLAS.

>> CATHY: BUT WE START THE PROGRAM ONCE MORE BY TAKING A LOOK AT THE STORY IN OUR STATE MAKING INTERNATIONAL NEWS THIS PAST MONTH.

FOR THE SECOND WEEK, THE PROSECUTION IN THE DEREK CHAUVIN TRIAL PRESENTED ITS CASE TO JURORS.

IN THE PAST TWO DAYS, THERE WERE MULTIPLE PERSPECTIVES ON THE CAUSE OF GEORGE FLOYD'S DEATH.

Mr. FLOYD DIED FROM A LOW LEVEL OF OXYGEN AND THIS CAUSED DAMAGE TO HIS BRAIN THAT WE SEE AND IT ALSO CAUSED A PEA ARRYTHMIA THAT CAUSED HIS HEART TO STOP.

>> HAVE YOU FORMED AN OPINION TO A REASONABLE DEGREE OF CONCERN TEE AS TO WHAT THE CAUSE IS OR WAS FOR THE LOW LEVEL OF OXYGEN IN Mr. FLOYD.

>> YES, I HAVE.

>> WOULD YOU TELL US WHAT THAT IS?

>> THE CAUSE OF THE LOW LEVEL OF OXYGEN WAS SHALLOW BREATHING, SMALL BREATHS.

>> YOU'RE FAMILIAR FROM THE WAY PEOPLE DIE FROM FENTANYL.

>> YES, VERY.

>> DO THEY OR DO THEY NOT GO INTO A COMB ALL BEFORE THEY DIE FROM A FENTANYL OVERDOSE?

>> YES, THEY WILL.

>> WAS Mr. FLOYD EVER IN A COMA?

>> NO.

>> WHAT TODAY REMAINS YOUR OPINION AS TO THE CAUSE OF DEATH FOR Mr. FLOYD.

>> MY OPINION REMAINS UNCHANGED, WHAT I PENT ON THE DEATH CERTIFICATE, IT'S CARDIAC ARREST, WITH A NECK COMPRESSION, THAT WAS MY TOP LINE AND IT IS MY TOP LINE NOW.

>> CATHY: HERE WITH ANALYSIS OF THE WEEK'S TESTIMONY, WE ARE JOINED AGAIN BY MARY MORIARTY.

SHE'S AN ADJUCNT PROFESSOR AT THE U OF M LAW SCHOOL.

SHE'S ALSO OFFERING LEGAL INSIGHTS DURING THE TRIAL AS A COLUMNIST FOR THE "MINNESOTA SPOKESMAN RECORDER" NEWSPAPER.

GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN, MARY.

LET'S TALK ABOUT THE CAUSE OF DEATH.

I MEAN, WE ALL KNEW THAT THE AUTOPSY WAS GOING TO BE A MAJOR PIECE OF EVIDENCE HERE.

YOU SAW Dr. BAKER AND HE WAS ON THE STAND AGAIN TODAY TALKING ABOUT GEORGE FLOYD'S HEART DISEASE, HISTORY OF HYPERTENSION AND BECAUSE OF HIS HEART CONDITION, Dr. BAKER THOUGHT, ALONG WITH THE RESTRAINT BY POLICE, THAT WAS MORE THAN HIS BODY COULD TAKE.

BUT, THE PROSECUTION HAD TWO OTHER EXPERTS SAYING NO OR LOW OXYGEN, THAT SEEMS TO BE THE MAJORITY OPINION.

WHAT ARE JURORS TO THINK?

>> WELL, THE FIRST CLIP THEY SHOWED WAS OF Dr. TOBN, ONE OF THE WORLD'S MORAL WELL-KNOWN EXPERTS ON LUNGS AND BREATHING AND HE WAS ONE OF THE MOST EFFECTIVE EXPERTS I'VE EVER SEEN IN COURT.

HE WAS FANTASTIC AND HE SAID THAT GEORGE FLOYD'S HEART HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH HIS DEATH AND THAT A PERSON WITH A HEALTHY HEART WOULD HAVE DIED GIVEN WHAT WAS DONE TO THEM.

SO Dr. BAKER'S TESTIMONY WAS A LITTLE DIFFERENT BECAUSE HE DID ATTRIBUTE PART OF THE CAUSE OF DEATH TO THE HEART CONDITION.

THE REASON THAT'S IMPORTANT IS THE DEFENSE WAS TRYING TO SHOW THAT GEORGE FLOYD DIED OF AN ACCIDENTAL OVERDOSE RELATED TO HIS HEART CONDITION.

IN ANY EVENT, THAT IT WAS NOT THE RESTRAINT THAT CAUSED HIS DEATH.

SO I THINK WHAT THE PROSECUTORS DID WAS REALLY GET Dr. BAKER ON AND OFF REALLY QUICKLY AND THEY ALSO CALLED ANOTHER MEDICAL EXAMINER, Dr. LINDSEY THOMAS TO KIND OF BOLSTER THE TESTIMONY AND TALK ABOUT THE LIMITATIONS OF THE MEDICAL EXAMINER AND SHE SAID FREQUENTLY, I DEFER TO A PULMONOLOGIST WHO CERTAINLY KNOWS MUCH BETTER THAN I DO.

YOU ALSO HEARD Dr. BAKER SAY THAT, AS WELL.

>> TALKING ABOUT LIMITATIONS, THOUGH, OF THE MEDICAL EXAMINER, I'M CURIOUS, WHO HAS THE BETTER INFORMATION BECAUSE Dr. BAKER ACTUALLY SAW THE BODY, YOU KNOW, SAW THE HEART, HAD THAT FIRSTHAND KNOWLEDGE VERSUS, SAY, PHOTOGRAPHS OR NARRATIVE THAT THE EXPERTS WEREE LOOKING AT.

>> WELL, ONE INTERESTING THING THAT LINDSEY -- Dr. THOMAS SAID TODAY WAS THAT SHE'S NEVER SEEN A CASE LIKE THIS WITH THIS MUCH VIDEO AND WHEN YOU WATCHED Dr. TOBIN, HE SHOWED US WHAT HAPPENED.

HE WENT THROUGH THE VIDEO CLIP BY CLIP, SECOND BY SECOND, AND SO I THINK HE WAS REALLY EFFECTIVE BECAUSE ESSENTIALLY PUT ON A CLINIC OR A CLASS FOR THE JURORS AND NOT ONLY DID HE TELL THEM WHAT HE THOUGHT, HE SHOWED TOMORROW.

ARE AND SO THE JURORS COULD SEE THE VIDEO AND LOOK TO SEE -- AND IT WAS ACTUALLY VERY SAD, THEY SHOWED PART OF THE VIDEO WHERE GEORGE FLOYD'S KNUCKLES WERE ON THE TIRE OF THE CAR AND Dr. TOBIN SAID, TO MOST PEOPLE, THAT WOULD BE INSIGNIFICANT.

AND MOST OF US PROBABLY DIDN'T NOTICE THAT ON THE VIDEO BUT Dr. TOBIN SAID IT WAS EXTREMELY SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE THAT WAS GEORGE FLOYD TRYING TO BREATHE, TRYING TO PUSH AGAINST THE CAR TO BE ABLE TO PROP HIS RIGHT SIDE UP SO THAT HE COULD GET OXYGEN INTO HIS LUNGS.

SO I THINK THAT THE JURY PROBABLY REALLY LIKED Dr. TOBIN BECAUSE HE WAS TELLING THEM IN REALLY PLAIN ENGLISH WHAT WAS HAPPENING BUT HE WAS ALSO SHOWING THEM, AND THAT'S BEEN ONE OF THE CONSISTENT THEMES THAT THE PROSECUTION HAS THAT YOU CAN BELIEVE YOUR EYES.

>> Eric: IS THE DEFENSE RAISING ANY POSSIBILITY OF REASONABLE DOUBT?

>> YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PERHAPS CROSS-EXAMINE Dr. BAKER IN A WAY TO TRY TO SHOW REASONABLE DOUBT BUT I DON'T THINK THEY WERE SUCCESSFUL AS THEY WOULD LIKE TO BE.

WE WILL HAVE TO SEE WHAT THE EXPERTS SAY NEXT WEEK BECAUSE THE DEFENSE IS ABOUT TO PUT ON ITS CASE.

THEY'RE GOING TO CALL EXPERTS TO TALK ABOUT THE CAUSE OF DEATH BUT I THINK THE STATE HAD A REALLY STRONG WEEK AND I THINK Dr. TOBIN WAS AN EXCELLENT WITNESS.

HE'S BEEN DOING THIS FOR 46 YEARS, BY THE WAY.

HE IS -- THIS IS WHAT HE STUDIES, IT'S BREATHING, THAT'S ALL HE DOES, AND SO IT'S HARD -- AND THE DEFENSE WASN'T ABLE TO MAKE ANY INROADS WITH HIM YESTERDAY SO I THINK IT MAY BE A VERY HARD HURDLE TO OVERCOME.

>> Cathy: MARY, IS THERE SUCH A THING AS TOO MANY EXPERTS IN A TRIAL?

CAN IT BE REALLY CONFUSING FOR A JURY?

>> YES, AND I WOULD SAY THAT WAS STARTING TO HAPPEN WITH THE USE OF FORCE PEOPLE.

WE MUST HAVE HAD SEVEN OR EIGHT OPINIONS ON USE OF FORCE, AND I WAS THINKING, YOU KNOW, IS IT THE STATE WAS CALLING TOO MANY, THAT THEY HAD SOME WONDERFUL EXPERTS LIKE CHIEF ARRADONDO, WHO LOOKED AT THE TOTALITY OF CIRCUMSTANCES AND RENDERED AN OPINION THAT THIS WAS NOT OBJECTIVELY REASONABLE.

BUT THEY KEPT CALLING PEOPLE AND THAT GAVE THE DEFENSE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CROSS-EXAMINE AND OPEN SOME DOORS THERE.

SO, YES, IT'S A FINE LINE.

YOU HAVE TO DECIDE, HAVE YOU MADE YOUR POINT AND GET OUT OF THERE OR ARE YOU PUTTING ON TOO MANY PEOPLE AND YOU'RE STARTING TO CREATE SOME ISSUES.

WITH THE MEDICAL TESTIMONY, I THINK WHAT THE STATE REALLY TRIED TO DO WAS TRYING TO PUT Dr. BAKER SURROUNDED BY OTHER EXPERTS WHO WOULD BOLSTER PARTS OF WHAT HE SAID BUT ALSO, AS I SAID, Dr. TOBIN HAD A DIFFERENT OPINION THAT A PERSON WITH A NORMAL HEART WOULD HAVE DIED ANYWAY.

>> Eric: FROM CHIEF ARRADONDO ON DOWN, WE'VE HEARD QUITE A BIT OF TRAINING AND PRACTICES OF THE MINNEAPOLIS POLICE DEPARTMENT AND I WONDER, IN YOUR YEARS OF EXPERIENCE, IS THAT A DISCONNECT FROM SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE RUN INTO MINNEAPOLIS POLICE OFFICERS FROM THE COMMUNITY?

>> IT IS.

CERTAINLY AS A PUBLIC DEFENDER, I'VE WATCHED QUITE A BIT OF BODY CAM AND I HAVE SEEN WHAT OFFICERS HAVE DONE AND CHAUVIN IS NOT ALONE IN THIS.

CERTAINLY IT DOESN'T OFTEN RESULT IN DEATH BUT WE SEE THAT KIND OF BEHAVIOR OVER AND OVER AND OVER.

THE BIG ISSUE HERE IS ABOUT CHANGING THE CULTURE IN THE MINNEAPOLIS POLICE DEPARTMENT AND SO WHAT WE HEARD FROM CHIEF ARRADONDO ARE HIS VALUES, SANCTION TEE OF LIFE, GUARDIAN MENTALITY VERSUS THE WARRIOR MENTALITY BUT IT'S CERTAINLY NOT A DISEASE CONNECT, IT JUST HAS NOT FILTERED DOWN YET.

YOU DON'T COME IN AND CHANGE THE CULTURE OF AN ORGANIZATION IN A MATTER OF ONE OR TWO YEARS.

IT TAKES SOME TIME.

PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU EVER OFFICERS THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME AND CONSIDER THEMSELVES WARRIORS, AND BECAUSE OF THE UNION, YOU CAN'T COME IN AND AFIRE PEOPLE.

SO I THINK WHAT WE SAW ARE THE ASPIRATIONS.

WE KNOW WE'RE NOT THERE YET BUT I THINK IT WAS A GOOD SIGN THAT WE HEARD THE ASPIRATIONS AND THE EXPECTATIONS.

NOW, THERE HAS TO BE ACCOUNTABILITY FOR BEHAVIOR THAT DOESN'T MEET THOSE VALUES AND THOSE EXPECTATIONS.

>> Cathy: GIVEN ALL THE TESTIMONY THIS WEEK, IS THERE A CHANCE THERE COULD BE A PLEA BARGAIN AT ALL OR IS THAT JUST OUT THE WINDOW AT THIS POINT?

>> I THINK THAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED ALREADY AND CERTAINLY THE STATE WOULD HAVE TO BE WILLING TO OFFER A PLEA.

I DO THINK THAT THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT THE OTHER THREE OFFICERS, SOME OF THOSE MIGHT SETTLE BUT AT THIS POINT UNLESS THE DEFENSE THINKS IT'S GOING REALLY, REALLY, REALLY BADLY AND THEY HAVE NO OPPORTUNITY, THEY COULD REACH OUT I GUESS BUT I DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING AT THIS POINT.

>> Eric: A SHORT ANSWER NEEDED HERE.

ANY CHANGE OF OPINION ON WHETHER FORMER OFFICER CHAUVIN SHOULD TESTIFY?

>> I THINK HE SHOULD STAY OFF THE STAND UNLESS HE CAN OFFER SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN'T GET FROM ANYBODY ELSE.

>> Cathy: FINAL QUESTION WOULD BE -- >> Eric: THAT WAS SHORT.

>> Cathy: GOOD, SHORT ANSWER.

FINAL QUESTION WOULD BE ABOUT THE JURY.

GOING INTO THE WEEKEND AND THERE SEEMED TO HAVE BEEN SOME ISSUE WITH A JUROR TODAY WHO HAD SOME TEXTS FROM HER MOTHER-IN-LAW, HOW DO YOU KEEP FOLKS SO SEQUESTERED THAT THEY STAY OUT OF TROUBLE WHEN IT COMES TO SEEING COVERAGE AND TALKING TO PEOPLE?

>> THAT'S REALLY HARD TO DO.

THE JUDGE HAS ORDERED THEM NOT TO TELL PEOPLE THEY ARE JURORS.

I MAKE THE ASSUMPTION THAT THOSE TEXTS CAME UP AND FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW, THERE WAS A JUROR WHO GOT SOME TEXTS FROM HER MOTHER-IN-LAW ABOUT HOW IT WAS A BAD DAY FOR THE DEFENSE EARLIER THIS WEEK, AND I THINK SHE MUST HAVE SELF-DISCLOSED THAT BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE THE COURT WOULD HAVE FOUND OUT ABOUT THAT.

BUT IT IS HARD BECAUSE YOU -- IF YOU'RE JUST WATCHING TV, THERE ARE HEADLINES THAT COME ON.

IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT Facebook, THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO COME ON.

I THINK THE SMARTEST THING FOR JURORS TO DO IS NOT LOOK AT Facebook AND TWITTER AND THAT KIND OF THING AND TRY TO ISOLATE THEMSELVES FROM MEDIA, IF THEY CAN.

THAT'S THE SAFEST THING TO DO BUT THERE'S NO FULL-PROOF -- FOOL-PROOF WAY OF DOING THAT.

THE GOOD NEWS IS WE HAVE TWO ALTERNATES SO IF A JUROR DOES GETS EXPOSED TO SOMETHING THAT HITS THEM IN ONE DIRECTION OR ANOTHER, THAT JUROR CAN BE REPLACED BY ONE HAVE THE OH ALTERNATES.

>> Cathy: ALL RIGHT, MARY.

HAVE A GOOD WEEKEND.

THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

>> YOU TOO.

THANK YOU.

>> Eric: THANKS, MARY.

>> THANK YOU.

♪♪♪ >> ERIC: AFTER WITNESSING DECADES OF HISTORIC CHANGES TO THE CAPITOL AND THE MALL, A LONGTIME LEADER OF THE CAPITOL AREA AND ARCHITECTURE PLANNING BOARD IS RETIRING.

OUR MARY LAHAMMER HAS TOURED MANY MONUMENTS OVER THE YEARS WITH PAUL MANDELL, NOT TO MENTION THE TOP TO BOTTOM CAPITOL RESTORATION.

>> Mary: PAUL MANDEL, RETIRING.

WHY NOW?

>> I JUST TURNED 69, I WANTED TO DO IT BEFORE I TURNED 70.

MY KIDS ARE IN DISBELIEF BECAUSE ORIGINALLY IT WAS GOING TO BE WELL, WHEN I GET 365.

WELL, WHEN THEY FINISH THE CAPITOL RENOVATION.

>> Mary: ANY NEWS INSTINCTS AND MY GUT SAID YOU ALWAYS WANTED TO STAY AROUND THROUGH THE RENOVATION OF THE CAPITOL.

>> YES.

>> Mary: HOW IMPORTANT WAS THAT AND HOW HUGE A LEGACY IS THAT FOR YOU?

>> I'M NOW A GUEST PREACHER AT MY WIFE'S CHURCH AND WE JUST DID -- THE TOPIC WAS CREATIVITY AND MY TOPIC WAS GOD SHOWING UP IN THE WORKPLACE AND I POINTED OUT, I TALKED ABOUT -- I ANNOUNCED THAT I WAS RETIRING AND I TALKED ABOUT THE ARTISANS THAT I'VE GOTTEN TO WORK WITH THE ARCHITECT, THE DESIGNERS AND ALL THROWS PEOPLE AND HAVING BEEN ABLE AS YOU KNOW WELL WITH YOUR PRIVILEGED PINK HAT THAT YOU HAD GETTING UP ON THE SCAFFOLDING AND SEEING UP CLOSE 150 FEET IN THE AIR PEOPLE WORKING WITH SCALPERS AND THE HUGE REELS YOU SEE FROM THE GROUND AND THE STONE MASTER CARVERS, MASH WICK STRUM, WHO ALSO WORKED ON THE WORKERS' MEMORIAL, IT WAS PURE PRIVILEGE.

>> Mary: I'M REALLY EXCITED TODAY TO BE ABLE TO TAKE THE HARD HAT OFF BECAUSE THE RESTORATION IS COMPLETE!

>> I SAID, OKAY, NOW I KNOW MY END DATE BECAUSE I WILL SEE THIS THING THROUGH IF IT KILLS ME.

AND I COULDN'T HAVE BEEN IN A BETTER PLACE FOR A BETTER TIME.

THIS IS SORT OF THE EXACT SAME SET UP THEY HAVE IN WASHINGTON, D.C.. >> Mary: I LIKE TO REMIND PEOPLE IT'S NOT JUST THE CAPITOL BUT THE CAPITOL AREA.

>> YES.

>> Mary: AND YOU WERE A PART OF MANY ADDITIONS TO THE CAPITOL MALL.

TELL US SOME OF YOUR HIGHLIGHTS.

>> WELL, OVER 12 MEMORIALS, GETTING TO MEAL -- I MEAN, THE HMONG MEMORIAL, THE SPECIAL FORCES IN L. OS.

>> THE SPROUT SYMBOLIZES COURAGE, HONOR, TENACITY, HOPE AND NEW LIFE.

>> AND THE MOST RESPECTFUL HONOR-BOUND PEOPLE I'VE EVER MET IN MY LIFE AND THE KOREAN VETERANS, THE TWO KOREAN VETERANS THAT TOOK THE LEAD ON THAT PROJECT, WORKING ON THE MILITARY FAMILY.

>> Mary: THERE'S MORE, I THINK OF YOU AROUND THE HUMPHREY MEMORIAL, THE WORKERS' MEMORIAL, THE CAPITOL WORKERS' MEMORIALS, WE HAVE SEE SEEN A LOT OF MEMORIALS TOGETHER OVER THE YEARS.

>> YES.

>> I REMEMBER HIS KINDNESS AND HOW LOVING AND HOW EXCITEMENT HE WAS.

MY REACTION IS ONE OF EXCITEMENT AND WHAT AN HONOR TO BE A PART OF THE RECOGNITION OF SOMEBODY LIKE HUBERT HUMPHREY.

>> THIS IS TO ADDRESS THE FACT THAT MANY HAVE GONE BEFORE US THAT HAVE MADE MINNESOTA WHAT IT IS.

>> WE'VE GOT NELLIE STONE JOHNSON THAT SHOULD BE INSTALLED BY THIS SUMMER, IN THE CAPITOL BUILDING, FIRST WOMAN IN THE BUILDING.

>> Mary: THE OTHER PART OF YOUR CAREER WHEN I REFLECT BACK HERE ON THE DECADES IS KIND OF THE ARC OF HISTORY THAT YOU SAW AND NOT ONLY DID YOU SEE SEVERAL NEW MEMORIALS GO IN BUT YOU SAW THE TOPPLING OF THE CHRISTOPHER COLUMBUS STATUTE AND REALLY THIS WAIVE OF CHANGE POST GEORGE FLOYD.

TALK ABOUT THE CHALLENGES AND THE STUDENTS THE STATE HAS ON THESE ISSUES OF EQUITY AND INCLUSION.

>> WE HAVE TWO TASK FORCES THAT WE'RE EXPECTING REPORTS THAT WITHIN THE NEXT TWO TO THREE MONTHS -- >> THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR HAS BEEN CLEAR THAT SHE REALLY FEELS THERE WASN'T A PROCESS FOR REMOVAL AND THAT HAD TO BE MODERNIZED >> >> WE NEVER HAD A REQUEST TO TAKE ANYTHING DOWN OR TO CHANGE ANYTHING.

WHEN HE CALLED ME, HE SAID, YOU KNOW, THE REASON I DID IT WHEN I DID IT AND THE WAY I DID IT, HE SAID PEOPLE WANTED TO DO IT AT NIGHT AND THEY WANTED TO TEAR IT DOWN AND I DON'T WANT THAT TOBACCO THE STORY.

I WANT THE STORY TO BE WE TOOK RESPONSIBILITY AND ACCOUNTABILITY.

>> Mary: HOW IMPORTANT IS IT NOW FOR THE CAP BOARD TO HEAR THE VOICES FROM DIVERSE COMMUNITIES BUT ALSO HAVE A LEADERSHIP, A CHAIR LIKE THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR, A WOMAN OF COLOR, HOW MUCH HAS THAT KIND OF FORCED CHANGE?

>> SHE'S BEEN ONE OF MY FAVORITE BOARD MEMBERS, AND I'VE WORKED FOR SEVERAL OF THEM NOW.

THE BOARD HAS BECOME MORE DIVERSE.

THAT WAS A SIGN OF THE TIME.

>> Mary: YOU OVERSEEN ABSOLUTELY A HUGE CHUNK OF HISTORY AND CHANGE.

WHAT ARE YOUR CLOSING THOUGHTS?

>> PRIDE.

I WANT TO BE ABLE TO KEEP MY EMPLOYEE CARD SO I CAN CONTINUE TO GIVE TOURS.

I'M REALLY SORRY THE CAPITOL WAS CLOSED DURING THERE TIME BUT IT WILL ALWAYS BE THAT I WAS EXTRAORDINARILY FORTUNATE TO BE HERE TO WORK WITH EVERYBODY THE DESIGNERS AND EVERYONE ELSE.

♪♪ >> CATHY: LAST MONTH'S KILLING OF EIGHT PEOPLE, SIX OF THEM ASIAN WOMEN, AT ATLANTA AREA MASSAGE PARLORS HAS SPURRED ACTION AROUND THE COUNTRY.

HERE IN MINNESOTA, THERE IS A PUSH TO SHORE UP ANTI-HATE LAWS AT THE STATE LEGISLATURE.

ONE OF THE PEOPLE LEADING THAT EFFORT IS BO THAO-URABE BO IS THE FOUNDER AND EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE COALITION OF ASIAN AMERICAN LEADERS, OR CAAL.

GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN, BO.

WELCOME.

>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

GLAD TO BE HERE.

>> Cathy: LET'S TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE STORIES YOU'RE HEARING.

LAY IT OUT FOR US.

WHAT IS THE TREND THAT WE'RE SEEING HERE IN MINNESOTA?

S-YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK MINNESOTA'S NOT TO DIFFERENT THAN THE REST OF THE COUNTRY IN TERMS OF INCIDENTS.

OF COURSE WE HAVEN'T SEEN AS SOME OF THE REALLY VIOLENT INCIDENTS THAT WE'VE SEEN IN NEW YORK OR SAN FRANCISCO BUT WE CERTAINLY HAVE HAD A SPIKE IN ANTI-ASIAN VIOLENCE, AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN HEARING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE BEING VERBALLY ABUSED AND THEN PHYSICALLY HARASSED TO, YOU KNOW, GETTING THREATENING TEXTS TO BEING STOKED ON THE INTERNET AND THOSE THINGS AND PRIMARILY TARGETING ELDERLY WOMEN AND CHILDREN AND I THINK THAT IS REALLY DISHEARTENING.

MINNESOTA RANKED 15th LAST YEAR IN TERMS OF HATE INCIDENTS AGAINST ASIANS AND SO THIS HAS BEEN A TIME WHEN WE WERE CLOSED DURING THE PANDEMIC AND ACROSS THE COUNTRY INCIDENCES OF HATE HAD GONE DOWN, AND SO WE ARE ALL QUITE CONCERNED ABOUT THE SAFETY OF COMMUNITY.

>> Eric: SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF THIS SPRUNG FROM FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP TALKING ABOUT THE CHINA VIRUS BUT IS THERE A PROFILE OF THE TYPICAL CULPRIT HERE?

>> THERE ISN'T, BUT I THINK THAT WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR LEADER WHO HAD THE BULLY PULPIT TO TAKE CARE -- YOU KNOW, TO DO THINGS THAT WOULD TAKE CARE OF EVERYBODY OR TO USE TERMINOLOGY THAT STIGMATIZES A COMMUNITY AND HIS CHOICE OF WORDS CERTAINLY EXACERBATED WHAT HAPPENED TO THE COMMUNITY, AND SO MUCH OF THE INCIDENCE THAT WE HEARD ABOUT WERE REALLY AFTER, YOU KNOW, THE CONTINUED USAGE OF THAT KIND OF VERBIAGE WHICH I THINK FACILITATES, THEN, AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE PEOPLE WHO FEEL LIKE EITHER THEY'RE FRUSTRATED OR THEY REALLY ARE RACIST, THAT THEY CAN TAKE IT OUT ON ASIAN AMERICANS.

YEAH.

>> Cathy: LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE AT THE STATE LEGISLATURE.

WHAT CHANGES ARE YOU HOPING THE LEGISLATURE CAN STILL MAKE?

>> WELL, WE HAVE ASKED THE LEGISLATURE TO CLOSE THE LOOPHOLES ON, YOU KNOW, HOW HATE -- HOW HATE CRIMES ARE CLASSIFIED.

THERE'S WAYS IN WHICH WE CAN CLOSE OUR EXISTING LAWS, JUST TO GIVE STRENGTH TO IT AND TO CLEARLY DEFINE THAT IF WE SHOULD HAVE SOMETHING LIKE IN ATLANTA THAT HAPPENS, THAT IT IS CLASSIFIED AS A HATE CRIME.

HOW DO YOU GO TO THREE ASIAN BUSINESSES THAT PREDOMINANTLY EMPLOY ASIAN WOMEN AND, YOU KNOW, KILL SIX OF THEM WHO ARE ASIAN WOMEN AND SAY THAT IT'S NOT BECAUSE OF RACE.

I THINK THAT REALLY FRUSTRATED THE COMMUNITY GIVEN THE CONTEXT, GIVEN THE ENVIRONMENT IN WHICH WE'RE IN.

ALSO TO ALLOW FOR VICTIMS TO REPORT INCIDENTS TO NON-LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES AND ENTITIES LIKE OUR GROUPS, OR OUR GROUP OR OTHER ORGANIZATIONS BECAUSE WE ALSO KNOW THAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS TO BE ABLE TO TALK TO PEOPLE THAT THEY TRUST THAT HAVE LANGUAGE AND CULTURAL COMPETENCY, AND CALLING THE POLICE IS NOT ALWAYS THE ANSWER.

BUT ALSO CALLING STATE AGENCIES CAN BE QUITE FRUSTRATING IF YOU'RE NOT NOT AN ENGLISH-SPEAKER.

AND THEN LASTLY TO PROVIDE SUPPORT FOR VICTIMS OF HATE CRIME.

>> Eric: I THINK I READ IN AN OP ED THAT TWO-THIRDS OF THE HATE CRIMES ARE NOT REPORTED.

WHAT CAN BE DONE ON THE END OF THE VICTIMS TO BE MORE FORTHCOMING, SOME OF THE THINGS YOU TALKED ABOUT, I GUESS.

>> WELL, I THINK MOSTLY PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT WHETHER ANYBODY WOULD REALLY CARE AND PAY ATTENTION AND SO THAT'S WHY NECESSITY DON'T REPORT IT, AND I THINK THIS IS A COMMUNITY THAT GENERALLY DOESN'T LIKE TO COMPLAIN AND WANTS TO WORK HARD AND, YOU KNOW, DO THEIR BEST BUT ALSO IN THESE TIMES IS WHEN WE KNOW THAT IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW MUCH YOU CONTRIBUTE, SOMETIMES YOU ARE ATTACKED FOR THE WAY THAT YOU LOOK AND THAT THAT'S NOT OKAY.

AND SO WE JUST ENCOURAGE ALL VICTIMS TO -- WHO HAVE FACED DISCRIMINATION AND HATE TO CONTINUE TO USE THE DEPARTMENT OF HUMAN RIGHTS HELP LINE BUT TO ALSO SHARE IT WITH US SO THAT WE CAN ALSO TELL THEIR STORIES BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT FOR ALL OF US TO UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S NOT OKAY BUT FOR US TO KNOW THAT THESE THINGS ARE NOT FARM AWAY FROM HOME AND IT'S UP TO ALL OF US TO KEEP EACH OTHER SAFE.

>> Cathy: WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU AND GOOD LUCK.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

♪♪♪ >> T.S.

ELIOT, WHOM PAUL DOUGLAS CAN QUOTE VERBATIM, CALLED APRIL THE CRUELEST MONTH.

THAT CERTAINLY FITS A TYPICAL MINNESOTA APRIL WHEN IT COMES TO WEATHER.

SNOW.

HEAT.

THUNDERSTORMS.

EVEN AN OCCASIONAL DERECHIO.

HERE TO TALK ABOUT HOW FICKLE FORECASTS CAN BE THIS MONTH, PAUL DOUGLAS.

WHEN HE'S NOT VISITING WITH US, HE'S WORKING FOR WCCO RADIO, AERIS WEATHER, AND THE "STAR TRIBUNE."

KIND OF A SNORING BORED IN APRIL, HUH?

>> YEAH.

IT'S ONE ENTIRE YEAR, ERIC, SQUEEZED INTO 30 SOME DAYS, SO, YEAH, YOU CAN GET ANYTHING UNDER THE SUN, INCLUDING SOME SUNSHINE.

80s AND SNOW AND BLIZZARDS AND EVEN TORNADOES AND FLOODS.

I'M JUST GRATEFUL THAT WE GOT TWO TO THREE INCHES OF RAIN.

ANY OTHER WEEK IN APRIL, THIS COULD HAVE BEEN TWO FEET OF SLUSH FOR PARTS OF MINNESOTA.

>> Eric: YEAH.

>> SO A BIG SIGH OF RELIEF.

>> Eric: WELL, LET'S CUT WITH THE PREAMBLE AND GET RIGHT TO YOUR VISUALS, AS WE SAY IN THE BUSINESS.

>> AH, VISUALS, YES.

I'M NOTHING WITHOUT MY WEATHER MAPS.

LET'S REMINISCE ABOUT EARLIER THIS WEEK.

85 DEGREES IN THE TWIN CITIES.

I WAS AMAZED.

I THINK MANY OF US WERE AMAZED AND IT CAME ABOUT A MONTH AHEAD OF SCHEDULE.

NORMALLY OUR FIRST 80 IN THE METRO IS MAY 3rd.

BY THE WAY, LAST YEAR, THE FIRST 80 WAS MAY 26th, SO, YEAH, WE ARE GETTING OFF TO AN EARLY START.

AND SOMEBODY ON SOCIAL MEDIA REMINDED ME THAT, PAUL, ICE-OUT ON LAKE MINNETONKA HAS HAPPENED FIVE TIMES SINCE 2012, FIRST WEEK OF APRIL OR SOONER.

CHECK OUT THE SNOWFALL, SOME BIG VARIATIONS WE GOT OFF TO A VERY SNOWY START BACK IN OCTOBER.

DECEMBER WAS A BIG MONTH FOR SNOW AND THEN THINGS REALLY TAPERED OFF, AND I WAS STRUCK BY THE SNOWFALL AMOUNTS AROUND THE STATE.

GENERALLY SPEAKING, MOST OF THE UPPER MIDWEST HAD LESS SNOW THAN AVERAGE.

IN FACT, I WANT TO SOMEHOW THE DEPARTURE FROM NORMAL AND YOU CAN SEE THAT EVERYBODY HAS SEEN LESS SNOW, ABOUT 4.7 INCHES LESS THAN AVERAGE IN THE TWIN CITIES.

MARQUETTE, MICHIGAN, LESS LAKE EFFECT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE COLD AIR EXCEPT IN FEBRUARY.

ALMOST 80 INCHES LESS SNOW THAN AVERAGE THERE, SO KIND OF A WEIRD WINTER FOR SNOW LOVERS.

AND I -- I AM PARANOID IN APRIL, AFTER WHAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH IN RECENT YEARS.

TYPICAL APRIL 2 AND A HALF INCHES, LAST APRIL, JUST OVER 7, MOST OF THAT HALF A FOOT WAS EASTER LAST YEAR.

THE YEAR BEFORE THAT ALMOST TEN AND THEN OF COURSE WHO CAN FORGET 26 INCHES OF SNOW APRIL OF 2018, I WILL TAKE THAT TO MY GRAVE.

MANY OF US WILL, AS WELL.

BUT THE WINTER ITSELF WAS FICKLE, STRANGE.

LESS SNOW THAN >> , SO FAR, AND TEMPERATUREWISE, WE WERE ONE DEGREE WARMER THAN AVERAGE FOR METEOROLOGICAL WINTER, DECEMBER, JANUARY, FEBRUARY.

AND 15 SUBZERO NIGHTS, MOST OF THOSE CAME IN FEBRUARY.

BY THE WAY, THE AVERAGE FOR AN ENTIRE SEASON IN THE METRO IS 24 NIGHTS BELOW ZERO.

WE STILL HAVE A LINGERING La NIÑA COLD PHASE IN THE PACIFIC, IT HAS ALREADY SPAWNED NUMEROUS TORNADOES IN THE SOUTH, NOT SURE IF THAT WILL TRANSLATE TO OUR LATITUDE IN A MONTH OR TWO.

NEXT WEEK IS SEVERE WEATHER AWARENESS WEEK AND SOME OF THE EARLY FORECASTS SUGGEST BECAUSE OF La NIÑA, BECAUSE OF LIGHTER WINDS OVER THE TROPICS, IT MAY BE A BUSIER HURRICANE SEASON FOR THE UNITED STATES, AND GROWING CONCERNS ABOUT DROUGHT.

CHECK OUT THE DROUGHT IMAGE.

MOST OF THE WESTERN U.S.

IN A DEEP AND DEEPENING DROUGHT, AND THAT'S WHY THIS RAIN THAT WE GOT SINCE MONDAY WAS THE MILLION-DOLLAR RAIN FOR FARMERS.

AND GARDENERS HERE IN OUR UPPER MIFFED.

IT CERTAINLY HELPS.

SOME OF THE CLIMATE MODEST, NOAAH USES, PREDICTING A MUCH HOTTER THAN NORMAL SUMMER, A STINKING HOT SUMMER.

MY CONFIDENCE LEVELS ARE LOW, I FOUND IT AN INTERESTING DATA POINT ALONG WITH SOMETHING NOAA SAID YESTERDAY, WE'RE NOW 421 PARTS PER MILLION, CARBON LEVELS IN THE ATMOSPHERE HIGHER THAN THEY'VE BEEN IN 3.6 MILLION YEARS AGO.

BY THE WAY, 3.6 MILLION YEARS AGO, SEA LEVEL WAS 78 FEET HIGHER THAN IT IS RIGHT NOW.

AGAIN, ABOUT A 40-TO 50% INCREASE IN CO2 IN THE LAST 100 YEARS.

TEMPERATUREWISE MOSTLY 50s BUT SOME OF THE MODELS, INCLUDING THE EUROPEAN, HINTING IT'S FLUSH NEXT THURSDAY.

WE COULD HAVE A FEW SLUSHY LAWNS NEXT TUESDAY OR THURSDAY, CATHY, ERIC, NO NEED TO WORRY, EVEN IF BRAINERD, DETROIT LAKES PICK UP 3, 4, FIVE INCHES OF SNOW, IT WILL BE GONE WITHIN 24 HOURS, THE SUN ANGLE MUCH TOO HIGH FOR ANY SNOW TO STRICK AROUND FOR LONG.

SO HAPPY TO SEE AN EARLY SPRING.

I THINK MOST MINNESOTANS PROBABLY AGREE WITH ME.

>> Eric: YOU HAVE REASSURED US.

THANK YOU, SIR.

>> Cathy: HAVE A GOOD WEEKEND.

>> ALWAYS FUN.

THANK YOU.

>> Eric: YOU BET.

>> HERE'S YOUR WARNING, THIS MONOLOGUE IS RATED **M** FOR MATURE.

SO, IF YOU'VE GOT KIDS IN THE ROOM...

SEND THEM ON ONE OF THOSE IMPOSSIBLE SCAVENGER HUNTS AROUND THE HOUSE, LOOKING FOR SOMETHING THEY'LL NEVER FIND NOW!

WHILE WE'RE ON THE TOPIC OF HUNTS, WHICH ONE OF YOU PARENTS OUT THERE IS PUTTING $100 BILLS IN YOUR CHILD'S PLASTIC EASTER EGGS?

GO AHEAD, RAISE YOUR HAND, 'CAUSE I NEED TO KNOW WHO YOU ARE.

I'M LOOKING...

OKAY, YOU OVER THERE.

OKAY, I'VE GOT YOU DOWN.

YOU TOO?

OH MAN, I NEVER THOUGHT **YOU** WOULD DO IT.

'CAUSE I DON'T WANT TO ACCIDENTALLY SET UP A PLAY DATE SO YOUR KIDS ARE TALKING TO MY KIDS ABOUT THE EGGS-STRAVAGENT GIFTS THE EASTER BUNNY BROUGHT THEM.

YOU SEE, THESE BRUNDIDGE BABIES GET **ONE** DOLLAR IN **ONE** EGG DURING OUR FAMILY'S ANNUAL HUNT.

AND THAT WAS FINE UNTIL... MY SON BRANDON WAS IN AN ONLINE CLASS WHEN ONE OF HIS FRIENDS ANNOUNCED THE EASTER BUNNY PUT A HUNDRED BUCKS IN HIS PLASTIC EGG.

HONEY, MY CHILD CAME UNGLUED AND CALLED HIS SIBLINGS OVER TO HEAR THIS ASTONISHING NEWS.

THEY QUICKLY GANGED UP ON ME, DEMANDING ANSWERS.

DOES THE BUNNY PLAY FAVORITES?

DID MR. BUNNY'S PPP LOAN GET REJECTED BY THE S.B.A.

SO HE RAN OUT OF CASH?

THEY HAD QUESTIONS.

I HAD NO RESPONSE.

SO I'M COMING TO YOU, MY FELLOW PARENTS, ASKING NOT WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR YOUR CHILDREN, BUT WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR MOMS LIKE ME.

DIAL BACK THE BIG BUCKS SO THE EASTER BUNNY WHO COMES TO OUR HOUSE DOESN'T LOOK LIKE SUCH A CHEAP SKATE.

AND WHILE I'M AT IT, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO KNOW A TOOTH FAIRY DRIVING A TESLA, PASS THIS ALONG.

NO BIG GESTURES FOR A BABY TOOTH.

'CAUSE I DRIVE AN OLD MINI VAN AND, HONEY, I CAN'T KEEP UP.

♪♪♪ >> CATHY: EARLIER THIS WEEK, AN "ALMANAC" STAFFER SAW THIS PHOTO IN SOCIAL MEDIA.

WE WANTED TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE IMAGE, HOW IT CAME ABOUT, AND THE PHOTOGRAPHER WHO TOOK SNAPPED THE PICTURE.

BEN HOVLAND IS THE PHOTOGRAPHER.

HE WORKS FOR THE "SAHAN JOURNAL" AND WAS ON ASSIGNMENT MONDAY NIGHT AT 38TH AND CHICAGO.

WELCOME TO THE SHOW, BEN.

GOOD TO SEE YA.

>> HI.

THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

>> Cathy: SO YOU ENDED UP AT 38th AND CHICAGO IN MINNEAPOLIS, THIS WAS AN EVENT MONDAY NIGHT.

TELL US ABOUT THAT.

>> SURE THING.

I GREW UP HERE IN SOUTH MINNEAPOLIS AND LIVE A FEW BLOCKS FROM THAT INTERSECTION AND A NEIGHBOR WAS DOWN HANGING OUT AT 38th AND CHICAGO AT THE INTERSECTION AND SENT ME A TEXT SAY, HEY, BEN, FRED HAMPTON, JR., IS GOING TO COME DOWN TO THE SQUARE IN 10 MINUTE I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT THE WEATHER FOR THAT NIGHT SO I CAME DOWN FOR THAT CALL AND LATER THAT NIGHT, THE STORM ROLLED IN AND I WAS ABLE TO MAKE SOME REALLY GRAMMATIC FRAMES OF THE LIGHTNING WHEN IT ROLLED THROUGH.

>> Eric: LET'S LOOK AT SOME OF THE PICTURES AND YOU CAN NARRATE, OKAY?

>> SURE THING.

>> Eric: WE START WITH FRED HAMPTON, JR.

HE IS THE SON OF THE CHICAGO BLACK PANTHER LEADER, FRED HAMPTON, SENIOR, WHO WAS SHOT BY CHICAGO POLICE BACK IN 1969.

WHAT IS JUNIOR DOING THESE DAYS, IS HE DOING SOME SOCIAL JUSTICE WORK?

>> HE IS.

HE ACTUALLY CAME OUT WITH A COALITION OF OTHER -- MULTI-CULTURAL COALITION OF PEOPLE FROM CHICAGO TO PAY THEIR RESPECTS AT THE MEMORIAL THAT'S SET UP FOR GEORGE FLOYD AT 38th AND CHICAGO, AND THAT WAS THE MAIN REASON FOR HIS VISIT THAT NIGHT.

AND HE ALSO WANTED TO TALK WITH OTHER ACTIVISTS ON THE GROUND AND MAKE CONNECTIONS TO FOLKS WHO ARE DOING SOCIAL JUSTICE WORK HERE IN MINNESOTA.

>> Eric: AND THAT'S, SENIOR.

>> THAT IS.

YOU KNOW, I WAS GOING THROUGH AND EDITING THE IMAGES AND JUST TRYING TO GET SOME CONTEXT, LOOKING AT PHOTOS OF FRED HAMPTON, SR., AND IT REALLY STRUCK ME I HAD TAKEN A PHOTO WHERE FRED HAMPTON'S, JR. WEIGHS HEALED WAS COCKED TO ONE SIDE AND REMINDED ME OF THIS PHOTO AS WELL AS SOME FRIENDS POINTED IT OUT TO ME LATER ON SOCIAL MEDIA.

>> Cathy: SO THIS PHOTO, OF COURSE THIS IS AT THE EVENT AND THIS LOOKS LIKE -- THIS IS -- CAN YOU EXPLAIN MORE ABOUT WHAT WE SEE IN FRONT OF US HERE?

>> THIS IS FROM LEFT TO RIGHT, I THINK FIELD MARSHAL -- FIELD DEPUTY -- DEPUTY FIELD MARSHAL GEOD, FRED HAMPTON, JR., AND COMRADE COOL ARE STANDING IN FRONT OF THE MEMORIAL FOR GEORGE FLOYD AND KIND OF PAYING THEIR RESPECTS.

IN THE BACKGROUND, YOU CAN SEE A YELLOW FLAG AND THAT'S THE FLAG OF THE CHICAGO BROWN BERETS, AN ORIGINAL MEMBER OF THE RAINBOW COALITION THAT FRED HAMPTON, SR., FOUNDED BACK IN 1969 AND THEY ARE WORKING TOGETHER WITH THEM NOW.

>> Cathy: AS YOU REMEMBER, FOR FOLKS WHO THIS IS A STATEWIDE SHOW SO MONDAY NIGHT, OF COURSE, IT WAS KIND OF HOT, WARM-ISH AND MUGGY AND IT WAS ALSO KIND OF STORMY SO THAT'S WHY THE SKY WAS PRETTY OMINOUS.

>> DEFINITELY.

AND WHAT'S GOING ON HERE IS ACTIVISTS AT 38th AND CHICAGO, YOU KNOW, LOCAL ACTIVISTS ARE DISCUSSING, YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES BLACK LIBERATION LOOK LIKE WITH THE CREW FROM CHICAGO, AND AT TIMES, YOU KNOW, IT GOT HEATED, YOU KNOW, IT'S A -- IT'S AN IMPORTANT TOPIC TO BE DISCUSSING RIGHT NOW AND I REALLY WANTED TO CAPTURE A FRAME THAT SHOWED KIND OF THE TENSION IN THE AIR AND SO THAT'S WHY I CHOSE TO FRAME THEM UP THAT WAY WITH LIGHTNING IN THE BACKGROUND.

>> Eric: THAT'S BEAUTIFUL.

YOU'RE FOLLOWING THE LEAD OF A FRIEND OF YOURS, A PHOTOGRAPHER NAMED BRANDON BELL.

CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT HIM?

>> I AM.

YOU KNOW, BRANDON AND I MET LAST SUMMER, HE HAD A STAFF PHOTOGRAPHER FOR GETTY IMAGES, HERE HE IS RIGHT HERE AND HE ACTUALLY TOOK A PHOTO THAT IS SIMILARLY FRAMED AS THE ORIGINAL PHOTO THAT YOU SHOWED OF THE LIGHTNING ACROSS THE SKY WITH THE FITZ IN THE FOREGROUND AND FOR ME, YOU KNOW, I LOVE BRANDON'S WORK AND I WANTED TO TAKE A PHOTO LIKE THAT, TOO, AND IT'S OBVIOUSLY LIKE REALLY -- IT'S I A REALLY POWERFUL IMAGE BUT I ALSO REALLY APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT HE DOES AND IT'S KIND OF A FUN WAY TO PAY HOMAGE AND TO ALSO LEARN FROM NEW TECHNIQUES, HARD TO GET THE TECHNICAL ASPECT RIGHT TO GET EVERYTHING PROPERLY EXPOSED WHILE CAPTURING A SPLIT-SECOND MOMENT.

>> Cathy: WHAT'S THE ATMOSPHERE LIKE FOR YOU AS A PHOTOGRAPHER AT GEORGE FLOYD SQUARE?

>> YOU KNOW, AS A PERSON WHO LIVES NEARBY, I TRY THE BEST I CAN TO MAKE PERSONAL CONNECTIONS WITH THE FOLKS WHO ARE AT 38th AND CHICAGO RIGHT NOW.

SOMETIMES IT'S TENSE BUT I OFTEN FIND MYSELF LEARNING A LOT IF I JUST KIND OF TAKE A STEP BACK, MAYBE PUT THE CAMERA DOWN AND JUST TALK TO PEOPLE.

>> Eric: YOUR PICTURES AND STORY ARE AVAILABLE AT THE SAHAN JOURNAL?

>> THAT'S CORRECT.

>> Eric: WE'LL TAKE A LOOK.

>> YEAH, DEFINITELY CHECK US OUT AT SAHAN JOURNAL.

THANKS A LOT.

>> Eric: NICE TO SEE YOU.

THANKS.

♪♪♪ >> ERIC: THERE ARE FIVE WEEKS LEFT IN THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION AND LOTS LEFT ON THE AGENDA.

HERE FOR A QUICK CHECK-IN ON WHERE THINGS STAND, "ALMANAC" CAPITOL REPORTER MARY LAHAMMER.

MARY, FOR A FINAL DEAL, MAY 17th, JUNE 30th OR LATER?

>> Mary: WELL, AS YOU MENTIONED, JUNE 30th IS REALLY THE DEADLINE BECAUSE THAT'S THE DAY LAWMAKERS AND THE GOVERNOR WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A BUDGET IN PLACE TO KEEP GOVERNMENT FROM SHUTTING DOWN.

YES, SESSION IS SUPPOSED TO END MAY 17th BUT IN THESE BUDGET YEARS, THEY TEND TO GO A LITTLE LATER AND IT JUST SEEMS IN THIS COVID REMOTE WORK WORLD THAT THEY'RE WORKING IN THAT THEY NEED EXTRA TIME.

WE'LL SEE.

THE HOUSE AND SENATE HAVE MOVED OUT VERY, VERY DIFFERENT BUDGET BILLS FROM COMMITTEE.

>> Eric: JUST STRIKES ME THESE ARE KIND OF STATEMENTS OF PRINCIPLE MORE THAN ACTUAL SERIOUS WORK AT COMPROMISE, AT LEAST SO FAR.

>> Mary: ABSOLUTELY, YEAH.

THE HOUSE BILLION-DOLLAR PLUS OF TAX INCREASES, THE SENATE COMPLETELY ON SIT, SO EVEN THE NUMBERS AND HOW THEY WANT TO SPEND AND AN APPROACH, THE ISSUE OF TAXES VASTLY DIFFERENT, AND THERE IS A LOT OF POLICY, YOU KNOW, BUDGETS WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE TALKING NUMBERS BUT THERE IS QUITE A BIT OF POLICY, SOME CONTROVERSIAL POLICY SLIPPED INTO MANY OF THESE BILLS DEALING WITH POLICE REFORM ON THE HOUSE SIDE, TRANSGENDER ATHLETES ON THE SENATE SIDE, VOTING EXPANSIONS AND VOTING RESTRICTIONS IN BOTH THE HOUSE AND SENATE SO THERE IS A LOT OF DIVISIVE ISSUES AHEAD.

>> Eric: I SAW SPEAKER HORTMAN QUOTED AS SAYING SHE'S READY TO KIND OF AT LEAST VISIT THE GOVERNOR'S EXECUTIVE EMERGENCY POWERS, THAT MIGHT BE A PRECURSOR TO GETTING ANYTHING DONE, HUH?

>> Mary: ABSOLUTELY, BECAUSE THE SENATE HAS BEEN PUSHING THAT DURING THE INTERIM AND THE REGULAR SESSION, A LOT OF MOMENTUM IN THE SENATE IN PARTICULAR TO BACK OFF ON THE GOVERNOR'S EXECUTIVE POWERS AND NOW WE'RE HEARING MORE OF THE HOUSE, AS WELL, NOT JUST TO DEAL WITH THE CURRENT GOVERNOR BUT FOR FUTURE GOVERNORS, TOO, AND MORE STATE OF EMERGENCY SITUATIONS THAT THE STATE AND THE NATION COULD FIND ITSELF IN.

>> Eric: WILL THERE BE QUITE A BIT OF TALK ABOUT HOW TO ALLOCATE THE FEDERAL FUNDING AND THERE'S BILLIONS OF DOLLARS THERE.

>> Mary: IT IS, ABOUT $2.5 BILLION OF FEDERAL MONEY THAT'S COMING TO THE STATE AND THIS IS WHY THE SENATE SAYS THE HOUSE DOES NOT NEED TO INCREASE REVENUE AND THE GOVERNOR DOESN'T HAVE TO BECAUSE THE SENATE REPUBLICANS ARE SAYING, LOOK AT ALL THIS FEDERAL MONEY THAT'S COMING IN AND THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE STATE AND STATE LEGISLATURE PLAYS A ROLE BECAUSE THE GOVERNOR AND THE ADMINISTRATION COULD ALLOCATE A LOT OF THAT MONEY AND THAT'S, AGAIN, WHERE EXECUTIVE POWERS ARE COMING INTO PLAY.

LAWMAKERS WANT TO HAVE SOME SAY ON HOW THAT $2.5 BILLION OF FEDERAL MONEY IS SPENT.

>> Eric: HOW TRANSPARENT ARE THINGS OVER THERE?

>> Mary: IT'S TOUGH.

THEY'RE LAW-MAKING LIKE WE'RE TALKING RIGHT NOW, OVER ZOOM.

IT'S HARD TO GET FOLLOW-UP CONVERSATIONS GOING AND DO REALLY TOUGH PRESS CONFERENCES.

I WOULD SAY ON THE FLIP SIDE, THOUGH, MAYBE MORE PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO COME TO THE TABLE IN COMMITTEE HEARINGS, YOU KNOW, FOLKS DON'T HAVE TO DRIVE FOUR, FIVE HOURS FROM GREATER MINNESOTA, NOW THEY CAN APPEAR FROM THEIR LIVING ROOMS LIKE WE'RE DOING VIA ZOOM.

SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE ARE SOME BENEFITS ARE AND THERE ARE SOME ATTRACTIONS TO THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW.

>> Eric: MARY LaHAMMER, ON TOP OF EVERYTHING AT THE CAPITOL.

THANKS, MARE.

♪♪♪ >> SOMETHING I WAS INTERESTED IN BUT IN MY LIFE AS AN INDIGENOUS WOMAN, I GREW UP NOT SEEING PEOPLE WHO LOOKED LIKE ME IN ALL AREAS.

MY TELEPHONERS DIDN'T LOOK LIKE ME, LAW ENFORCEMENT, DOCTORS, AND ESPECIALLY OUR LEADERS.

SO SUBLIMINALLY THAT ALWAYS TOLD ME I DIDN'T BELONG HERE.

AND THEN -- ANNOUNCED HE WAS RETIRING AND 20 WOMEN IN MY COMMUNITY REACHED OUT TO ME AND ENCOURAGED ME TO RUN AND IT MADE ME THINGS THAT I TALK A LOT ABOUT REPRESENTATION AND HOW THAT MATTERS AND FACES, AND SO IT WAS MY WHY AND IT WAS MY REASON TO STEP UP AND BE A VOICE AT THE TABLE THAT MAYBE YOU DON'T OFTEN HERE.

>> CATHY: AS CONGRESS GRAPPLES WITH A BIG INFRASCTURE BILL, DEBATES OVER THE FILLIBUSTER, AND RISING COVID CASES, IT'S A GOOD TIME TO CHECK IN WITH A DUO OF POLITICAL SCIENTISTS.

ZOOMING WITH US THIS WEEK, HAMLINE UNIVERSITY PROFESSOR DAVID SCHULTZ.

AND KATHRYN PEARSON WITH THE UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA.

PROFESSOR PEARSON, THE 100-DAY MARK IS APPROACHING HERE, THE FIRST 100 DAYS OF THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION.

RATE THE ADMINISTRATION.

HOW HAS THE PRESIDENT DONE SO FAR?

>> WELL, THE PRESIDENT HAS PASSED A $1.9 TRILLION COVID-19 RELIEF BILL THAT WAS HIGH UP ON THE AGENDA AROUND QUITE SUCCESSFUL AND HE'S PROPOSED BOTH A $1.5 TRILLION BUDGET FOR THE NEXT YEAR AND A $2 TRILLION INFRASTRUCTURE PLAN.

SO HE IS GOING BIG AND SO FAR, YOU KNOW, DONE WELL WITH THE CORONAVIRUS RELIEF PLAN.

HE STARTED OUT A LITTLE BIT BEHIND OTHER PRESIDENTS WHEN IT CAME TO NOMINATIONS AND SENATE CONFIRMATIONS BUT HE HAS TICKED UP SO HE'S NOW AHEAD OF HIS PREDECESSOR ON THAT, NOT QUITE TO WHERE PRESIDENT OBAMA WAS IN TERMS OF NOMINATIONS BUT I THINK IT'S VERY SIGNIFICANT IS HE BEATS HIS GOAL OF VACCINATING AMERICANS BY -- WITHIN THE FIRST 100 DAYS CONSIDERABLY SO THE PACE OF VACCINIZES HAS GONE UP EVEN FROM WHAT HE PROMISED AND WITH COVID-19 BEING ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES RIGHT NOW, I THINK THAT HAS BEEN CERTAINLY SIGNIFICANT.

>> Cathy: PROFESSOR SCHULTZ, HOW WOULD YOU RATE THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION IN THE FIRST 100 DAYS?

>> WELL, THEY -- THEY SET, I THINK, PRETTY LOFTY GOALS COMPARED TO OTHER ADMINISTRATIONS WHICH WE OFTENTIMES LOOK AT IN TERMS OF OBVIOUSLY OF COURSE ROOSEVELT, JOHNSON, CLINTON, SO FORTH, NOWHERE NEAR AS PRODUCTIVE IN TERMS OF THE AMOUNT OF LEGISLATION THAT'S BEEN PASSED BUT IF WE LOOK AT THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION SAYING THAT DOMESTICALLY IT WAS PASSING A STIMULUS BILL, IT WAS IN TERMS OF GETTING THE VACCINE DISTRIBUTION ON LIEN AND I'M GOING TO ALSO SAY IN TERMS OF EFFORTS TO TRY TO RESTORE CONNECTIONS BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES AND FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS IN TEMPS OF THE PARIS ACCORDS AND SO FORTH, I THINK IT'S DONE FAIRLY WELL BY THE GOALS THAT IT SET OUT FOR ITSELF BUT AS I WAS MENTIONING HERE, IF WE PUT THIS IN A LARGER PERSPECTIVE, THE LEGISLATIVE OUTPUT IS NOT VERY SIGNIFICANT AT THIS POINT AND THIS MAY BE A CONSEQUENCE OF THE FACT THAT, WHAT, INCREDIBLY NARROW MAJORITIES FOR THE DEMOCRATS IN THE HOUSE AND SENATE AND A SIGNIFICANT POLARIZATION, AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT MANY TIMES, IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO BRING OVER REPUBLICANS TO SUPPORT HIM.

>> Eric: ALONG THOSE LINES, PROFESSOR PEARSON, THE OTHER BELTWAY JOE IS JOE MANCHIN.

TELL US WHY HE IS GOING TO BECOME A FAMILIAR NAME IF HE HASN'T ALREADY.

>> RIGHT.

WELL, HE, OF COURSE, IS A MODERATE DEMOCRAT REPRESENTING WEST VIRGINIA, WHICH IS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE MOST REPUBLICAN STATES IN THE COUNTRY, AND SO HE HIMSELF IS MODERATE TO CONSERVATIVE.

HIS STATE IS CERTAINLY MORE CONSERVATIVE THAN HE IS AND HE WANTS TO HANG AN TO HIS WEST VERY STATE SO HE OFTEN NEEDS TO BE PERSUADED, INCENTIVIZED TO VOTE WITH DEMOCRATS AND DEMOCRATS HAVE 50 SENATORS, PLUS VICE PRESIDENT HEARTS'S VOTE AND RECENTLY SENATOR MANCHIN HAS SAID HE WON'T SUPPORT AT THIS POINT ANY REFORMS TO THE FILIBUSTER.

AND THE FILIBUSTER MAY BE AN IMPEDIMENT TO PRESIDENT BIDEN AND SENATE DEMOCRATS FOR PUSHING FORWARD THEIR AGENDA.

NOW, WHEN IT COMES TO THE BUDGET PROPOSALS THAT HE MENTIONED, THE $1.5 TRILLION BUDGET THAT THE PRESIDENT LAID OUT TODAY, THE $2 TRILLION INFRASTRUCTURE PACKAGE, THAT CAN BE DONE THROUGH THE RECONCILIATION PROCESS, RECONCILIATION ONLY REQUIRES A SIMPLE MAJORITY.

IT'S ALSO ONLY GOOD FOR TEN YEARS BUT IT'S PART OF THE CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET PROCESS AND HAS BEEN USED BY MAJORITY PARTIES SINCE 1980.

THE TRUMP TAX CUTS WERE PASSED THAT WAY BUT WHEN IT COMES TO VOTING RIGHTS, WHICH IS ALSO ON THE TOP OF THE DEMOCRATS' LIST, THAT WOULD NEED UNDER THE CURRENT RULES, THAT WOULD NEED 60 VOTES TO BREAK -- TO ACHIEVE CLOTURE, AND AVOID FILIBUSTER.

THAT'S CHANGED OVER THE YEARS, IT WAS NOT IN THE CONSTITUTION TO BEGIN WITH, DIDN'T REALLY EMERGE UNTIL THE 1930s AND HAS CHANGED OVER TIME BUT RIGHT NOW, SENATOR MANCHIN STANDS IN DEMOCRATS' WAY ALONG WITH ARIZONA SENATOR KRISTEN [INDISCERNIBLE] IN TERMS OF DEMOCRATS-DESIRE TO CHANGE THE FILIBUSTER.

>> Eric: PUT ON YOUR LAW HAT, PROFESSOR SCHULTZ, THE PRESIDENT TODAY COMMISSIONED THEM TO EXAMINE THE SUPREME COURT EXPANSION.

WHAT'S GOING ON HERE?

>> WHAT'S GOING ON HERE IS THE FRUSTRATION THAT THE DEMOCRATS HAVE THAT THEY PROBABLY HAVE -- ARE AT THE POINT WHERE IT'S WHAT, 6-3 REPUBLICAN LEAD, 6-3 CONSERVATIVE OR PERHAPS 5-4, DEPENDING ON HOW YOU VIEW CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS.

I THINK THEY'RE VERY FRUSTRATED BY THE FACT THAT THEY WERE UNABLE TO GET THROUGH MERRICK GAR DAND WHEN BARACK OBAMA WAS PRESIDENT, THE REPUBLICANS HELD THAT UP UNTIL AFTER THE ELECTION AND THEY SEE DONALD TRUMP APPOINT THREE PEOPLE.

SO THEY'RE LOOKING AT PERHAPS TRYING TO REVISIT BUT MAYBE WITH A DIFFERENT RESULT WHAT FRANKLIN ROOSEVELT TRIED TO DO BACK IN 1937, WAS TO CHANGE THE SIZE OF THE SUPREME COURT.

NOW, HE WAS UNSUCCESSFUL IN DOING WHAT WAS CALLED THE COURT PACKING PLAN BUT NONETHELESS HE WON THE VICTORY LONGER TERM IN TERMS OF CHANGING THE COURT.

HERE THE DEMOCRATS ARE PERCEIVING THAT -- AND JOE BIDEN IS PERCEIVING THAT THE SUPREME COURT COULD VERY WELL BE A MAJOR IMPEDIMENT ON DESIRED LEGISLATION SUCH AS VOTING RIGHTS, SUCH AS GUN REFORM, GUN VIOLENCE AND A FEW OTHER THINGS.

SO THIS IS THE PRESIDENT'S SLOW PROCESS OF PERHAPS TRYING TO RETHINK A STRATEGY REGARDING THE SUPREME COURT AND WHAT TO DO.

REMEMBER, DURING THE PRIMARIES, AND DURING THE -- ACTUALLY, AS I SAY, DURING THE GENERAL ELECTION, HE ACTUALLY DISAVOWED AND SAID HIS SUPPORT FOR CHANGING THE SIZE OF THE SUPREME COURT.

I STILL DON'T KNOW IF HE'S GOING TO DO IT BUT HE'S AT LEAST GOING TO THROW IT TO, WHAT, A COMMISSION TO STUDY IT, AND MANY TIMES WHEN ALL ELSE FAILINGS, HAVE A COMMISSION LOOK AT SOMETHING.

>> Cathy: YOU KNOW, YOU MENTIONED -- PROFESSOR SCHULTZ MENTIONED GUN CONTROL AND BECAUSE WE'VE HAD SEVERAL HIGH-PROFILE MASS SHOOTINGS JUST IN THIS PAST MONTH OR SO, PROFESSOR PEARSON, I'M WONDERING WHEN IT COMES TO CONGRESSIONAL ACTION AROUND GUN CONTROL, CAN THE PRESIDENT DO ANYTHING WITH EXECUTIVE ORDERS?

>> THE PRESIDENT'S ROLE WITH EXECUTIVE ORDERS IS RELATIVELY [INDISCERNIBLE], ENACT SIGNIFICANT GUN CONTROL LEGISLATION TAKES CONGRESS AND THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT CANNOT GO INTO A BUDGET RECONCILIATION PACKAGE SO BECAUSE OF THE FILIBUSTER, IT WILL NEED 60 VOTES IN THE SENATE AND GIVEN THE POSITIONS, THE LONG VOTING RECORDS OF MANY OF THE SENATORS CURRENTLY IN THE SENATE, IT'S HARD TO SEE HOW A PLAN GETS 60 VOTES.

BUT I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT PRESIDENT BIDEN WILL CERTAINLY TRY TO PERSUADE SENATORS AND MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE, AS WELL, BUT OF COURSE THEY ONLY NEED 218 VOTES.

>> WHAT'S INTERESTING -- IF I COULD JUMP IN FOR A SECOND HERE, WHAT'S INTERESTING IN LOTS OF ARE AREAS OF LEGISLATION, CONGRESS DELEGATES TO THE PRESIDENT AND THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH A LOT OF AUTHORITY TO ACT, INCLUDING ACTING THROUGH EXECUTIVE ORDERS.

THIS IS ONE OF THE AREAS WHEN IT'S COME TO GUNS THAT OVER THE YEARS, CONGRESS HAS REALLY LIMITED THE ABILITY OF PRESIDENTS TO DO VERY MUCH AND SO I THINK AS KATHERINE POINTED OUT, WE'RE LOOKING AT, WHAT, MARGINAL STUFF HERE.

WHAT WAS HIS MAJOR FEATURE IN TERMS OF EXECUTIVE ORDER EARLIER THIS WEEK, ABOUT WHAT, DO IT YOURSELF GUN KITS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

STILL A PROBLEM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THE F.B.I.

REPORTS 10,000 GUNS A YEAR THAT ARE COVERED ALONG THAT WAY BUT IN TERMS OF THE DRESSING PERHAPS IS WHAT THE REAL SERIOUS ISSUES ARE, HANDGUN VIOLENCE IN AMERICA, THE USE OF HANDGUNS FOR SUICIDES, HOMICIDES AND SO FORTH, NOT A LOT OF FREEDOM THAT THE PRESIDENT HAS TO DO ANYTHING ON HIS OWN.

>> Eric: POLITICAL IMPACT, PROFESSOR PEARSON, OF THE CHAUVIN TRIAL, OR TOO EARLY TO SAY?

>> I THINK IT'S TOO EARLY TO SAY.

I THINK IT'S TOO EARLY TO -- I MEAN, CERTAINLY, ALL EYES ARE ON MINNEAPOLIS, ALL EYES ARE ON THE CHAUVIN TRIAL AND, YOU KNOW, EMOTIONS ARE RUNNING HIGH AND IT'S NOT JUST MINNESOTA, MINNEAPOLIS, THE UNITED STATES BUT THE WORLD.

CERTAINLY POLICE REFORM PACKAGES ARE BEING CONSIDERED, NOT JUST IN MINNESOTA BUT AROUND THE COUNTRY BUT I THINK THE IMPACT CERTAINLY THERE'S ALREADY BEEN AN IMPACT BUT WE'LL WAIT TO SEE WHAT THE IMPACT OF THE VERDICT IS.

>> Cathy: PROFESSOR SCHULTZ, YOU WANT TO TAKE A CRACK AT THAT QUESTION?

>> SURE.

I THINK THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO DIFFERENT COURTS AND TWO DIFFERENT AUDIENCES HERE AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT THAT AS THE PROSECUTION POINTED OUT IN OPENING ARGUMENT, THIS IS ON ONE LEVEL A TRIAL OF, WHAT, ONE PERSON ACCUSED OF KILLING ANOTHER PERSON.

THAT'S WHAT THE COURT IS ABOUT AND THAT'S WHAT THE JURY IS LOOKING AT.

BUT OF COURSE THE REASON WHY THIS TRIAL IS NOT JUST IMPORTANT HERE DOMESTICALLY OR IN MINNESOTA OR NATIONALLY BECAUSE IT IS VIEWED DIFFERENT IN THE COURT OF PUBLIC OPINION IN TERMS OF IS THIS ABOUT RACISM ON TRIAL IN AMERICA, IS IT ABOUT POLICE USE OF FORCE THAT'S ON TRIAL OR I THINK WE'RE ALREADY SEEING IT IMPACT IN TERMS OF THE TRIAL IN TERMS OF HOW IT'S AFFECTING, LET US SAY, HOW WE THINK ABOUT POLICE BEHAVIOR, HOW WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE PROPER HE IS IS, BUT ULTIMATELY WHETHER OR NOT THIS CHANGES ANYTHING, WE DON'T KNOW.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I FEAR IS THAT WE'VE HAD SEVERAL POINTS IN AMERICAN HISTORY WHERE WE COULD HAVE MADE SIGNIFICANT CHANGE ON RACE RELATIONS IN AMERICA AND WHAT I DON'T KNOW YET IS WHETHER OR NOT WE'VE ALREADY ENTERED WHAT I CALL A POST-GEORGE FLOYD MOMENT.

WHAT I MEAN BY THAT, HAS THAT WINDOW FOR REFORM ALREADY CLOSED OR IS IT STILL THERE.

WE JUST DON'T KNOW RIGHT NOW.

>> Cathy: WE HAVE ABOUT A MINUTE LEFT, PROFESSOR PEARSON, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE JOHN BOEHNER BOOK?

>> THE EXCERPTS I'VE READ SO FAR ARE FASCINATING.

SPEAKER BOEHNER, HE ROSE UP THROUGH THE COMMITTEE SYSTEM, HE WAS A WELL-RESPECTED REPUBLICAN WHEN HE BECAME SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE BUT HE DEALT WITH THE TEA PARTY REPUBLICANS, THE FREEDOM CAUCUS REPUBLICANS, THOSE REPUBLICANS WHO JUST WOULDN'T WORK WITH HIM WHEN HE WAS TRYING TO WORK WITH PRESIDENT OBAMA TO KEEP THE GOVERNMENT RUNNING, TO PASS BUDGETS, AND SO THE FACT THAT HE'S DETAILING HIS FRUSTRATIONS WITH SOME OF HIS OWN PARTY'S MEMBERS, IN ADDITION TO MANY DEMOCRATS, AS WELL, AND, YOU KNOW, VERY SPEAKER-BOEHNER WAY, DETAILING HIS FRUSTRATION WITH FORMER MINNESOTA CONGRESSWOMAN MICHELLE BACHMAN, THAT SHE WOULD RELY ON FOX NEWS AND HE WAS TRYING TO GET REPUBLICANS TOGETHER TO DO THE NITTY GRITTY OF LEGISLATING, IT WAS HIS SPEAKER-SHIP THAT MADE PEOPLE REALIZE THE SPEAKER'S POWERS REALLY DEPENDS ON HOW WILLING THEIR CAUCUS MEMBERS ARE TO GIVE THEM THESE POWERS.

>> Eric: HE SHARES THE GOVERNOR WITH A GLASS OF WINE AND A CIGARETTE, I THOUGHT THAT WAS KIND OF INTERESTING.

THANKS, YOU TOO.

>> Cathy: HAVE A GOOD WEEKEND.

>> THANK YOU.

>> YOU, BYE.

>> ERIC: IT'S TIME FOR SOME MINNESOTA HISTORY.

LET'S GO BACK TO 1964 AND A BIG SPORTING EVENT AT WILLIAMS ARENA.

HERE'S A GREAT VINTAGE PHOTO OF THE PLACE.

AFTER THIS 1964 EVENT, VISITING COACHES COMPLAINED ABOUT THE POOR WILLIAMS ARENA CROWDS, A TOTAL ATTENDANCE OF 17,000 FANS SPREAD OVER TWO DAYS.

IN A COLUMN IN THE "MINNEAPOLIS STAR" NEWSPAPER, A WRITER OFFERED AN EXCUSE SAYING AT THAT TIME OF YEAR, THE ONLY EVENT THAT EXCITED LOCAL TICKET BUYERS WAS THE STATE HIGH SCHOOL COMPETITION.

WHAT HIGH PROFILE GAMES ATTRACTED DISAPPOINTING WILLIAMS ARENA CROWDS IN MARCH OF 1964?

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