IT'S TIME TO GIVE EFFECT.

YOU HEARD THAT RIGHT?

THAT'S F E C K FOR FORGIVENESS, EMPATHY, COMPASSION AND KINDNESS.

>> NOW CHAZ EBERT WRITES ABOUT THESE PRINCIPLES AND HER NEW BOOK WHERE SHE MAKES THE CASE FOR HOW TO ELEVATE HUMANITY.

NOW, THE BOOK IS PART AUTOBIOGRAPHY, PART SELF-HELP AND 100%.

WHAT SHE SAYS THE WORLD NEEDS RIGHT NOW.

JOINING US NOW IS OFF THEIR KEIBERT WHOSE LATE HUSBAND IS MOVIE CRITIC ROGER EBERT.

SHE DEDICATES BOOK TO BRETT, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US TODAY.

THANK YOU.

FOR INVITING ME.

I'M REALLY GLAD TO BE HERE WITH YOU.

ABSOLUTELY.

SO LET'S GET RIGHT INTO IT.

I FOUND MYSELF WHEN I WAS READING THIS TO BE.

>> I'M GETTING VERY EMOTIONAL, PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU ARE REFLECTING ON YOUR LATE HUSBAND.

WOULD YOU SAY THAT HE INFLUENCED A LITTLE BIT WHY YOU DECIDED TO WRITE THIS WILL IN THE GIVE EFFECT STANDS FOR I SAY INPUT THE IT ALSO STANDS FOR A BIRD BECAUSE IT WAS HIS TALK ABOUT MOVIES A MACHINE THAT GENERATES.

BUT THAT STARTED US ON THIS WHOLE TRACK ABOUT GIVING AND THEN AFTER PASSED AWAY, I CAME UP WITH THE FEC PRINCIPLES OF THE FORGIVENESS, COMPASSION AND KINDNESS, BUT BECAME SCARCE BUT OUR LIFE'S MISSION WAS TOGETHER WAS TO OUT HOPE.

PUT YOU IN THE SHOES OF ANOTHER HELP YOU TO FIT ITS FIGURE OUT.

BUT IT FELT LIKE TO BE SOMEONE ELSE OTHER THAN SAY INSPIRED YOU TO START WRITING.

IT'S IT'S IT'S A MULTI-LAYERED.

QUEST ANSWER THE COSTS.

I THINK MORE THAN ANYTHING IT WAS THE PANDEMIC.

STARTED WRITING.

BUT DURING THE PANDEMIC AFTER WE CAME OUT, I SAW HOW ANXIOUS PEOPLE WERE GETTING.

THERE WAS LIKE A 40% UPTICK INNINGS.

PEOPLE WERE FEARFUL.

THEY WERE ISOLATED.

THEY WERE LONELY.

THEY DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO CONNECT.

AND I WANTED TO HAVE A BOOK.

>> TO HELP US CONNECT AGAIN AND TO BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER.

>> ALSO, I HAVE TO SAY IT WAS SEEING WHAT HAPPENED DURING >> POLITICAL SEASONS PEOPLE ARE DIVIDED.

I JUST THINK IT'S TIME FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE MORE COMPASSION FOR EACH OTHER.

AND ONE OF THE OTHER PRINCIPAL CHINA IN YOUR BOOK IS FORGIVENESS AND YOU KIND OF LEAN INTO THAT BASED RELATIONSHIP THAT YOU DEVELOP WITH TO TO AND USE YOU SAY HE INSPIRED A PORTION OF THAT CHAPTER.

CAN YOU TELL ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ABSOLUTE AND DO IT?

THEY'RE 2 THINGS >> ACTUALLY TOO.

ARCHBISHOP DESMOND TUTU, ARNETT THEM IN SOUTH AFRICA.

WHEN I WAS THERE I THINK PUBLIC FIRST, SOMETHING HAVING TO DO WITH WE GOT ALONG VERY WELL AND NOMINATED HIM TO RECEIVE THE ABRAHAM LINCOLN LEADERSHIP PRIZE AWARD.

SO WHEN IT CAME TO AMERICA, WE'RE GIVING THEM THE LEADERSHIP PRIZE.

BUT WE TOOK HIM TO THE VAULT WHERE ABRAHAM LINCOLN'S LETTERS WERE.

AND AS HE WAS READING THE LETTERS, HE SAID, EXCUSE HAHA.

HE SAID.

HE WAS ACTUALLY TEARING UP AND HE SAID ABRAHAM LINCOLN WENT THROUGH SOME OF THE SAME THINGS THAT NELSON MANDELA AND AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE TRUTH RECONCILIATION COMMISSION.

I LOST FRIENDS WHO DID NOT WANT US TO FORGIVE.

PEOPLE WERE COMMUTED COMMITTED EGREGIOUS ACTS UNDER BUT WE KNEW THEY CONFESSED THERE HAD TO BE A PATHE TO REDEMPTION.

YOU MUST FORGIVE.

YOU MUST FORGIVE TO TAKE THE WEIGHT OF.

THE BURDEN OFF YOUR SHOULDERS LET YOU OPEN YOUR HEART AND LET IN LOVE AND LIGHT AGAIN.

AND SO WHAT WOULD YOU SAY?

THOSE STEPS TOWARD FORGIVENESS CAN LOOK LIKE FOR MAYBE SOMEONE THAT IS KIND OF HAVING THAT INTERNAL BATTLE.

SO FIRST OF ALL, I SAY YOU YOU YOU MUST LIKE SIT DOWN AND I DO A MEDITATION.

I SOMETIMES DO A PRAYER.

ON MY KNEES.

I DO A JOURNAL E AT THE END OF EACH SECTION OF THE BOOK, I HAVE JOURNALS SO THAT YOU CAN WRITE.

BRADY AND THE PERSON WHO YOU EITHER WHAT FORGIVENESS FROM OR WHO YOU FEEL.

YOU HAVE TO FORGIVE, MAKE PROS AND CONS.

BUT WHAT I FEEL LIKE IF I RELEASE THIS.

YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT'S A FEELING OF REVENGE.

IS THAT YOU WANT?

HOW WOULD I HOW LIGHT WHAT I FEEL?

WHAT WOULD I DO IF SOMEBODY FORGIVES SO THE PROS AND CONS IT'S A PROCESS, BUT SOMETIMES.

I HAVE TO TELL YOU, FORGIVENESS IS ONE OF THE BIGGIES.

SOMETIMES PEOPLE HAVE TO FORGIVE.

FOR YOU TO NEVER GIVE UNTIL THEY REALLY FEEL LIKE IT'S REALLY RELIEVED THAT BURDEN.

WHAT ROLE DO YOU SEE?

MAYBE LIKE JOURNALING OR WRITING DOWN HOW YOU'RE FEELING PLAYING IN THESE KIND OF FEC PRINCIPLES ARE OK?

I TELL YOU, IN THE JOURNAL WING.

>> ESSENTIAL BECAUSE IT ALLOWS YOU 2.

I CALL ALMOST LIKE A VIRTUAL YOU IMAGINE YOU ALMOST OR ROLE PLAY IS THAT PERSON THERE?

BUT WHAT I HEARD, BUT I FEEL IF I SEE THE I SAY HOW LIFE STAY AND HOW LIFE SET THE BIG THING IS ONCE IT'S RESOLVED, HOW WILL I FEEL?

CAN I GO FORWARD WITH MY LIFE?

THAT'S THE THING THAT I THINK REALLY.

AND THEN I WANT PEOPLE TO IMAGINE WHAT EVERYTHING WAS RESOLVED IN FORGIVEN.

HOW WOULD MY LIFE MOVE FORWARD AND I WANT YOU ACT AS ACT AS IF IT'S.

IT'S ALWAYS ALL THAT'S ACTUALLY ONE THING.

MY GRANDMOTHER ALWAYS TOLD ME YOU ARE.

FIGHTING FORGIVENESS, YOU WRITE A LETTER TO THAT PERSON THAT YOU FEEL LIKE.

RON, DO FEEL THE LATTER MAIL IT OFF, QUOTE, UNQUOTE.

AND THAT IS KIND OF LIKE THAT RELEASING OF HOW YOU FEEL AND HOPEFULLY OF THAT SITUATION, OK?

BUT IF YOU WRITE A LETTER, IF YOU ARE THE REAL MILLET TO YOURSELF, IMPORTANT.

SO I'M NOT A QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS ANOTHER PRINCIPLE THAT YOU FOCUS ON AND THE BOOK IS COMPASSION.

SO YOU KIND OF BREAK THAT INTO 3 ELEMENTS OF >> SOUTH COMMON HUMANITY AND MINDFULNESS.

YEAH.

HOW DO YOU FIND COMPASSION FOR YOURSELF WITH OTHERS?

>> OKAY.

SO SELF-COMPASSION ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I TALK ABOUT IS HOW I HAD TO FORGIVE MYSELF AND EVEN HAVE COMPASSION FOR MYSELF.

WHEN I WAS A TEENAGER, I WAS IN COLLEGE LIKE 16 OR 17 YEARS OLD.

AND DISCOVERED I PREGNANT I WAS THE FIRST PERSON OUT OF 9 CHILDREN AND MY FAMILY TO GO TO A FOUR-YEAR COLLEGE.

SO I FEEL LIKE I WAS LETTING MY FAMILY I WAS SO AGAINST MYSELF, I BELIEVE RATE AT MYSELF IN.

I HAVE NO COMPASSION FOR MYSELF.

I JUST WHAT AM I DOING?

I WAS ALWAYS THE GOOD GIRL.

I WAS THE ONE THAT MY FAMILY, YOU KNOW, JUST SO MUCH MY FAMILY LOVED ME SO MUCH.

THEY WERE SO CALMING.

THEY SHOWED ME THE COMPASSIONATE COULDN'T SHOW MYSELF AND THAT HELPED ME TO GO.

THEY SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT BABY.

AND WE'RE WE'RE FAMILY AND THAT HELPED ME TO.

THAT'S WHY I SO MANY PROGRAMS FOR YOUNG PEOPLE TODAY BECAUSE OF THE COMPASSION AND THE LOVE THAT WAS SHOWN TO WHEN I WAS A TEENAGER WILL HOPEFULLY FOLKS THAT ARE WATCHING THIS ARE ABLE TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHY SELF-COMPASSION IMPORTANT AND >> IF NOT, MAYBE THEY CAN LOOK TO YOU AND THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE AND REALIZE THAT MAYBE KIND BEING SO THEMSELVES NECESSARY WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US AGAIN.

THE BOOK IS CALLED.

IT'S TIME TO GIVE EFFECT ELEVATING HUMANITY THROUGH FORGIVENESS, EMPATHY, COMPASSION, AND KINDNESS.

AND IT'S COMING OUT.

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