>> Chicago public schools will soon be searching for its next CEO.

That comes after a highly contested decision by the school board to fire Pedro Martinez.

The vote was unanimous, but the move highlighted the divide among the city's leaders about the future of schools.

Joining us with their reaction are Alderman William Hull of the 6th Ward representing neighborhoods like Englewood, Chatham and Auburn Gresham and Carlos Montoya, the vice chairman of the Latino Leadership Council.

Gentlemen, thank you both for joining.

Thank you so much for having Absolutely.

Alderman Hall spoke out at this past Friday school board meeting in favor of Martinez's dismissal.

Why do you think it was?

Is the right move for essentially also prison-like conditions in my ward and speaking on behalf of the Black Keys even one reports neighborhoods in the city of Chicago.

>> Nearly a week and a half ago we saw helicopters top of the school.

Kids on lockdown in classrooms makes be news.

Police officers everywhere a school that's called Englewood stem.

But STEM teacher.

So you have a stem school know stem teacher noticed an after-school programs Prince was having to make decisions between buses for sporting after school programs as well as field trips.

This is a pipeline for presents.

Let's change name to Englewood Correctional Facility because at the end of day, these conditions with the same conditions.

We saw a robust he tore down ropes and built a new school.

Same thing we've seen at the state tear down prisons, building new ones.

>> Well, to what extent, though, do you think that, you know, CPS, CEO can control, for example, if there are, you know, police helicopters, things like that.

Obviously something like resources of the STEM school is more within his traditional purview.

of all, let's hold the state accountable for the bill that they have not paid.

Page will say that they were billion dollars short.

The state spent a billion presents.

That's Aaron number one.

Give great for that.

Secondly, he signed off on the current budget.

Listen, you have a school that does not have any money for after-school programs.

He signed off on that budget.

So at the end of the day, it is evident that there's not enough money to invest extracurricular activities, schools that need principles.

And then we talk about the school where he and I walked down the hallways in the 6 war wasn't even a music teacher.

So these are the conditions that, again do not spark imagination, but as to the trauma of black kids in black neighborhoods in the 6 war.

>> Carlos you know that we let you know, Leadership Council wrote that the board's firing was, quote, a be trail of progress.

Why do you think that Well, first of all, we think it's a decision that was made in the breach.

A terrible example of poor governance.

You have a revolving door.

>> Going on with mass resignation on one side an ad-hoc appointed interim, a group and then elected board members just weeks away from being sworn in.

But I think that Pedro has been working hard to address inequities, which are systemic their systemic you know, it comes at a time where there is a serious breach in terms of what is the plan going forward right?

What is plan it it?

Does the mayor have the abject power to dismiss somebody?

Okay.

Why all the celebration or the cause celeb around without cause.

And I think that there's pressure there to make a decision from outside forces.

And I don't think Pedro has been given the chance to really show what he can do more to that point about governance, though.

I mean, Martinez at his own press conference after the firing Friday night.

>> You know, he said doesn't hold it against them in terms of the governance issue, their duly appointed.

They have the ability to act as they see fit.

What's your reaction to that?

Well, I think that it's still in a time of you know, to There's too much going on >> outgoing groups in coming groups having been appointed newly elected folks.

And I don't see where this with all that the city has to tackle right now, including being potentially ground 0 for mass deportation that you need to put hundreds of thousands of students at risk.

Nearly 50% of them are Latino as a Latino group were compelled to step up and say, let's take a look at this.

What you know, I find interesting that there's a or a see in the wake of Donald Terrace, Trump.

>> Who has selected the secretary of education that is famous for literally Royal Rumble and WrestleMania yes's urgency to fix that before that storm While we there is urgency finds Austin and understanding of that.

But I also am concerned about like he's going to prison.

That's my bird.

I'm a black man in Chicago.

How be I'd be silent when Pedro has pandered for months, years on and he signed off on a budget before we use this language, the high interest PPP will present pipe.

Hey, Pedro has signed off on it before.

Where was the effort to find the money and hold the state accountable?

So that education agenda from the state is build new prisons, Pedro Penders and then we have it at a local Walked the hallways were page will.

This is the 6 were perspective which I was hired for the lockers with a lap and back door was open principal asking for outdoor construction for activity.

What are we doing to our black kids, especially in poor neighborhoods is unacceptable.

If you flip a burger at McDonald's wrong way you get at will state that will city.

It's the mayor's job to pick his choice.

Lori picked hours.

But the mayor, Pete W really decades of decay and decline to sit here and point at that all of >> You know, the needs of the school district on one guy is just, you know, and to conflate that with it being there for a prison pipeline.

We can say that the school spends money on National Guard.

So therefore, he's National Guard.

Pedro, OK, I come from communities that heavily heavily Hispanic.

>> black given a black Sanders know is not a from I'm not anti.

You use it at.

I mean, can tell you affect a lot wind.

But you know that fact, it was lost.

It was illegal for my people.

Black people to read.

They said it was legal for you to cross the border.

We should be allies in the At the end of the has not produced a state agenda that sufficient to fund schools.

Teachers need trauma care.

Teachers underpaid.

Guess Indy one advocacy and innovation.

We did not see it.

He has enough time that the mayor do his job.

We did not see this one.

Other mayors pick their choice was may have been stuck with what he inherited.

Let them and with job, which has 3 children, by the way, go to public schools.

He always sees children first before he does, the city of Chicago will look, there is, you know, a lot is being made of this being a firing, working every walk the school.

I may not have been to the elementary school and about going to finish the point before I would say this that the there's a lot is being made here of a decision made without cause.

They could be fired without cause.

So let's fire the guy without cause.

Okay.

>> Now, Mr. Martinez will have his people.

Look at what without cause may mean or what the deer various shades of that.

But there's no doubt that the school Ps needs a lot of attention.

Both of my parents were school teachers.

Okay.

And they were wards and sewerage and so on.

And so for some very, very sensitive the greater you sort of macro conditions that affect the school, but to try to justify in retrospect, the firing of one guy and point to him as being a funnel to the prison system.

We've that inflammatory language was inside it that think it was them a week and a half ago.

Look like a prison of walk.

Schools were page really look like prison.

And the reason why which we do not discuss when he got fired before 4 failed performance.

He soon individual board members.

He walked away with 100,000.

He's holding up a teacher contract before WWF tries to take over and he's trying to walk away with over half a million which you can easily find.

Families are in eagle.

Well, into that point about that, you know, of the fired without cause.

He will serve 6 months more on the job.

>> You know, are you concerned, though, about, you know, he will finish the school year, but, you know, having that sort of instability of of a leader being dismissed it at the midpoint of what I think.

First of all, we have a great president.

John Hardin is a great leader.

He's has the respect of the community.

Yes, respect of his colleagues at the board level and he knows what he's doing.

Whether not we wrote realize this.

At the end of the day, we need someone who has innovation and advocacy and in order to have that, you must have won.

marks the issues in explain our missions, a black kids, black kids in poor communities matter and for there to be resistance when there evidence clearly in our face of prison, conditions have not been addressed and his leadership.

I can only speak about what I know and what I've walked through.

What I've seen is prison-like conditions that are being funded without any advocacy to stop.

>> Look, I don't think we should isolate this to whether or not it is a, you a breach or you know, an attack on one particular, you know, group of the community, the Latino Leadership Council.

Is about political inclusion.

We've counseled with the mayor off the record to try to have influence, but where we can't have the influence we have supported new school board members.

But I will say this that.

Hispanic communities are just as impacted by all of the deficiencies in the system and it needs to be addressed across the board have if you have and this guy just should sort of in a lame-duck position because we want to get someone from the community house enough from the community.

He's a he's a he is a student and alumni of Chicago.

school says no.

He walked in my community and his fellow Mike and those 50 different communities.

And we've got a new and the community.

Ahmed Ressam is a 6 word.

fail we need to address failure by removing him.

He'd be accountable.

Hopefully the 6 word will get the attention it needs.

Well, my community welcomes you.

We will forge a new All right.

So something that you can both look forward to.

I'm afraid that's where we will have to leave this.

But