>> JOINING US ON CHICAGO TONIGHT, BLACK VOICES BRANDIS TREATMENT ON THE SHOW TONIGHT FOLLOWING THE FATAL POLICE SHOOTING OF DEXTER READ.

WE TAKE A LOOK AT CPD RULES FOR USE OF FORCE.

PLUS EXAMINING THE OFFICER'S ACTIONS LEADING UP TO REID'S DEBT.

>> AND IT WASN'T JUST FOR MY SON.

I WANT TO SEE ACCOUNT.

>> AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS CALL FOR CHANGES FOLLOWING 2 DEADLY TRAFFIC STOP.

FIRST OFF TONIGHT, THE RULES THAT GOVERN WHEN CHICAGO POLICE OFFICERS CAN USE DEADLY FORCE ARE FACING NEW SCRUTINY.

THAT'S AFTER POLICE BODY CAM FOOTAGE RELEASED YESTERDAY SHOWED 4 OFFICERS FIRING 96 SHOTS DURING A TRAFFIC STOP THAT KILLED.

26 YEAR-OLD EXTRA READ REPORTER HEATHER SHARON JOINS US NOW TO BREAK IT ALL DOWN, HEATHER.

SO WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE 2 PROBES INTO THE SHOOTING DEATH OF DECKS TO READ.

LET'S TAKE THEM ONE BY ONE, STARTING WITH THE INVESTIGATION BY THE CIVILIAN OFFICE OF POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY.

WHAT WILL THAT PROBE FOCUS SO THAT PROBE WILL DETERMINE WHETHER OFFICERS FOLLOWED AND THIS IS A MOUTHFUL.

CPD DE-ESCALATION RESPONSE TO RESISTANCE AND USE OF FORCE POLICY.

THAT POLICY MAKES IT OFFICERS.

>> HIGHEST GOAL IS TO PRESERVE THE SANCTITY OF LIFE.

BUT OF COURSE THEY'RE ALLOWED TO USE AND JUSTIFIABLE FORCE WHERE THE LINE BETWEEN JUSTIFIABLE FORCE AN EXCESS OF FORCES IS REALLY WHAT THESE INVESTIGATIONS ARE GOING TO DETERMINE.

WHAT EXACTLY DO CPD RULES SAY ABOUT WHEN OFFICERS CAN USE DEADLY FORCE?

WELL, THIS POLICY LAST REWRITTEN JUST ABOUT A YEAR AGO REQUIRES OFFICERS TO USE DE-ESCALATION TECHNIQUES TO AVOID PHYSICAL CONFRONTATIONS AND THEY CAN ONLY RESPOND TO IMMINENT THREATS WITH ESCALATING USES OF FORCE BASED ON OBJECTIVELY REASONABLE NECESSARY AND PROPORTIONAL DECISIONS BASED ON THE TOTALITY OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES.

YOU'RE LOOKING AT A GRAPHIC NOW THAT SHOWS YOU JUST HOW COMPLICATED THESE DECISIONS AND THE RULES GOVERNING OFFICERS IN WHAT IS OFTEN SORT OF VERY FRAUGHT HIGH PRESSURE, HIGH STRESS SITUATION.

THAT'S WHY THESE PROTESTS ARE GOING TO SORT OF DIG INTO THE VERY NEW SHOT OF WHAT HAPPENED ON MARCH.

21ST.

YES, I'M SURE POLICE OFFICERS BUT SAY THERE'S A LOT OF CALCULATION THAT HAS TO GO GO ON IN THEIR MINDS IN IN A SITUATION LIKE THAT, HEADER.

WILL IT MATTER THAT THE INITIAL INVESTIGATION SHOWS THAT READ SHOT FIRST AND WILL IT MATTER THAT OFFICERS UNLOADED 96 SHOTS IN ABOUT 40 SECONDS?

YES, THEY WILL BOTH MATTER BECAUSE THEY WILL HAVE TO DECIDE WHETHER OFFICERS RESPONDED REASONABLY AND WHETHER THEY FACED IMMINENT THREAT.

KNOW THAT LEADS US, OF COURSE, OF THE SECOND PROBE THAT IS ALSO UNDERWAY BY COOK COUNTY STATE'S ATTORNEY KIM FOXX.

WHAT WILL HER OFFICE FOCUS ON HER OFFICE GOING TO DECIDE WHETHER IF THE SHOOTING WAS NOT JUSTIFIABLE, WHETHER THOSE OFFICERS COMMITTED CRIMINAL ACTS AND WHETHER THEY SHOULD BE CHARGED AND FACE A JURY, SHE WILL HAVE TO DECIDE WHETHER THERE IS A TO READ BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT.

EVIDENCE NOW COPA ONLY HAVE TO DECIDE WHETHER IT'S MORE LIKELY THAN NOT OFFICERS VIOLATED THAT CITY POLICY.

A MUCH LOWER STANDARD.

HOW LONG WILL WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR ANY ANSWERS, HEATHER?

IT'S GOING TO BE MONTHS.

THESE ARE VERY COMPLICATED FRAUGHT QUESTIONS.

THERE IS A LOT OF EVIDENCE THAT INVESTIGATORS HAVE TO SIFT THROUGH AND THEN OF COURSE, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE SOME VERY TOUGH.

HAD A SHARON.

THANKS SO MUCH.

THANKS, BRANDIS.

AND WE'RE BACK WITH MORE RIGHT AFTER THIS.

>> CHICAGO TONIGHT, BLACK VOICES IS MADE POSSIBLE IN PART BY THE SUPPORT OF THESE DONORS.

>> AS WE JUST HEARD THE RELEASE OF GRAPHIC VIDEO SHOWING THE FATAL SHOOTING OF DEXTER REID HAS RAISED QUESTIONS OVER THE USE OF DEADLY FORCE BY CHICAGO POLICE OFFICERS.

THE FOOTAGE OF OFFICERS FIRING 96 SHOTS AT REID, INCLUDING AFTER HE EXITED THE CAR.

APPARENTLY AN ARMED HAS CAUSED OUTRAGE AND DEMANDS FOR CHANGE.

AND OF COURSE, ACCOUNTABILITY.

JOINING US NOW WITH MORE, OUR REVEREND JEANETTE WILSON SENIOR ADVISER, THE REVEREND JESSE JACKSON SENIOR AND REVEREND FREDERICK HAYNES, THE 3RD AT THE RAINBOW PUSH COALITION.

FRANK CHAPMAN, EXECUTIVE EDUCATIONAL DIRECTOR AND FIELD ORGANIZER AT THE CHICAGO ALLIANCE AGAINST RACIST AND POLITICAL REPRESSION.

AND JOINING US VIA ZOOM OR A HERE IN WINTERS, FOUNDER OF THE 4, 1, 1, MOVEMENT FOR PEER LOWERY AND A MEMBER OF THE 15 PLUS POLICE DISTRICTS COUNCIL AND REVEREND JOHN ABERCROMBIE SENIOR PASTOR AT ZOE LIFE MINISTRIES INTERNATIONAL AND PASTOR TO THE FAMILY OF DEXTER REED.

THANKS TO THE 4 OF YOU FOR JOINING US, REVEREND ALBERT KAHN.

GREAT WANT TO START WITH YOU, PLEASE.

WHAT WERE YOUR INITIAL REACTIONS UPON VIEWING THE VIDEO THAT WAS SHARED WITH THE FAMILY ON MONDAY RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC YESTERDAY.

>> WELL, ACTUALLY, IT WAS IT WAS SOMEWHAT SHOCKED.

BUT WITH THE FAMILY OF COLD, BUT WHEN YOU WATCH THE VIDEO BECAUSE IT WAS IS TO SEE WHAT TOOK PLACE AT THE SEEING HOW THE POLICE APPROACHED HAD THE WHOLE SELF.

I WAS JUST EXISTS.

VERY TRAUMATIC.

BEEN A DRAMATIC FOR THOUGHT THAT FOR THE MOTHER AND ONCE GET TO THE SHOTS AND HOW EVERYTHING TRANSPIRED.

WE WERE ABLE TO SEE ALL OF THE ANGLES AS IT PERTAINS TO THE SHOOTING AND WHAT HAS BUMP INTO POINT IS THAT EVERYTHING HAS BEEN AND THE NARRATIVE THAT THEY HAVE BEEN GIVEN OR THERE TO THAT IS BIG CITY.

BUT THE PUBLIC IS NOT THE ACTION THAT SHOULD BE REALLY SEEM TO SEE ACTUAL SHOOTING WHEN HE GOT OUTSIDE OF THE AND THAT THAT YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALL THE ACTION MAY BE IN THE TAPE LIFT TOOK PLACE IN STATE OF THE.

>> GOVERNOR.

JUST WANT TO MENTION, YOU KNOW, AS YOU WERE SPEAKING, WE WERE SHOWING SOME OF DOORBELL CAMERA FOOTAGE OF WE'RE CAREFUL ABOUT REPEATEDLY SHOWING THE INSTANCE WHERE DEXTER WAS SHOT OUTSIDE THE CAR.

BUT YOU MENTIONED THE NARRATIVE WE'RE NOT GETTING THE FULL NARRATIVE.

WHAT MORE DO YOU THINK NEEDS TO SAID OR SEEN?

>> WELL, I THINK WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO BE SEEING WHAT YOU CAN TAKE ONE OF THE OFFICES WHO ACTUALLY SHOT WELL OVER 40 TIMES, THE OTHER 9 MILLIMETER PISTOL THAT DO 3 TIMES HIS VIDEO OF ONE OF THE PUT ONE OF THE CAMERAS YOU ABLE TO SEE THAT NO ONE THERE.

BUT, YOU KNOW, THE FOOTAGE THAT'S BEEN SHOWN BY THE MEDIA IS IS WHERE THE SHOOTING TAKES PLACE.

WHEN THE OFFICER THAT THE OFFICER COMES TO THE CAR SHIP APPROACHED THE CAR AVOID THE WINDOW.

AND THE NEXT THING WE RAYS THE WINDOW.

YOU START JURGEN THE ANOTHER YOU'LL SEE THAT WE'RE THE FIRST SHOT THAT WAS ALLEGED THAT DEXTER RELEASED THEMSELF.

YOU CAN SEE THAT FOOTAGE AS WELL AFTER THAT, THEY BEGAN TO SHOOT AT THE NEXT AT THE SAME MAY BE THE FIRST 40 SHOTS.

THINK THERE WAS A THERE WAS A PAUSE AND THEN ACTION HE COMES OUT, THE GUNS OUT OF THE VEHICLE.

AT THAT POINT.

>> SORRY, REVEREND.

I THINK WE MAY HAVE.

WE MAY HAVE LOST ONE.

GUESS WHAT?

WE'RE WORKING ON GETTING HER BACK.

BUT WHILE THAT'S HAPPENING, I WANT TO GET TO.

REVEREND WILSON HERE IN STUDIO BECAUSE WE KNOW THERE ARE LOTS OF QUESTIONS THAT ARE BEING ASKED ABOUT THE REASON FOR THE STOP IN THE FIRST PLACE BASED UPON, YOU KNOW WHAT WE KNOW AS OF NOW, WHAT ARE WHAT ARE SOME OF YOUR BIGGEST QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT?

MOST PEOPLE HAVE ASKED ME WHY DOES HE GET STOP?

THESE WERE NOT UNIFORM POLICE OFFICERS.

THEY WERE IN UNMARKED CAR.

THEY WERE IN PLAIN CLOTHES.

SHE WOULD NOT KNOW THAT THEY WILL POLICE OFFICERS IN THE FIRST PLACE.

>> IT IS RARE TECH TOO.

WHAT DO A TRAFFIC STOP ABOUT A SEAT BELT THAT THEY COULDN'T SEE.

WHY DID THEY GO THROUGH SUCH A?

ACTIVITY?

THEY MOVE THE CAR AND SLUMPED TO BLOCK HIS FORWARD MOVEMENT.

WHAT WAS THAT ALL ABOUT?

THAT COULD BEEN ABOUT A SEAT BELT, THE CAR AND SO WANT TO KNOW WHY WAS ATTACKED TEAM THERE.

WHY DID THEY DECIDE TO TARGET HIM?

AND THEN HOW HOW MUCH FORCE DO YOU NEED TO STOP ONE MAN?

HOW MANY GUNSHOTS NEED TO BE FIRED IF YOU HAVE AND YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION IS WHO FIRED FIRST?

WE DON'T WE'RE NOT CLEAR.

AND WE HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT AND THE USE OF EXCESSIVE FORCE, WHICH IS CLEAR FROM THE NUMBER OF SHOTS, GAVE RISE TO THAT?

AND THIS ALL TOO OFTEN.

AS YOU MENTIONED, THESE OFFICERS WERE IN PLAIN CLOTHES.

WANT TO CLARIFY OUR CURRENT AN UNMARKED CAR YESTERDAY.

I THINK WE REFER TO THEM AS UNDERCOVER AT ONE POINT, BUT THEY WERE PLAINCLOTHES OFFICERS THE COVER.

>> FRANK CIVILIAN OFFICE OF POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY IS INVESTIGATING THE SHOOTING.

AND WE HAD THE CHIEF ADMINISTRATOR OF THAT AGENCY ON THIS LAST NIGHT SAYING THAT SHE HAD DOUBTS ABOUT THE VERACITY OF THE OFFICERS BUT SHE ALSO SAYS THAT IT APPEARS REID FIRED FIRST.

AND OF COURSE, IT'S SOMEONE IN THAT POSITION WOULD NOT SAY THAT IF OF COURSE, THEY WERE NOT CONFIDENT IN CERTAIN THAT THAT WAS THE CASE.

WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF OF WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM COCA SO FAR?

>> I MAKE OF IT THERE MUST BE ANOTHER VIDEO.

VIDEO LASSO, THIS NOT CLEAR.

NOT IN THE GULF RATHER THAN VIDEO SOUL.

I DIDN'T REMAKING THE SHOT.

>> YOU CAN SEE FIRE.

IS IT POSSIBLE THAT SOMEBODY ELSE SO THAT I WANT TO SEE THAT VIDEO BECAUSE HE'S NOT ON THE VIDEO THAT YOU KNEW WAS IT ON THE VIDEO TO THEY SAID THEY USED THE WORD.

UNCLEAR, CNN NEWS PEOPLE THAT WORK MOVES SAID THAT IT WAS UNCLEAR AS WRITTEN THAT YOU WHAT WAS CLEAR ME WAS.

I DIDN'T SEE THAT ON THAT WHAT I DID SEE WAS THE POLICE OFFICERS SHOOTING.

>> YOU KNOW, WHEN AND ASKED AND I SAW HIM THAT'S WHAT I POLICE ALSO SAY THAT A WEAPON WAS FOUND IN THE CAR BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY FROM THESE VIDEOS, NONE OF US CAN SEE INSIDE THE CAR.

UNDERSTAND I WANT YOU UNDERSTAND WHERE I'M COMING NOISE NUMBER OF THOSE IN THE COMMUNITY DON'T TRUST WITH THE POLICE SAY ABOUT THINGS.

>> BUT BEEN JUST THEY'VE BEEN DESIGNED IS IN THE PADS.

THEY'VE COVERED UP THE CRIMES, YOU KNOW, AND THEN IF YOU DON'T LIVE THERE, WANT TO PUT YOU GUYS REPORT FROM THE POLICE AND THAT'S YOU GET BECAUSE THE PERSON CAN ENTER THE BUT THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO HAVE A DIFFERENT KIND OF INVESTIGATION.

IN FACT.

>> THAT WAS A GUN IN THE CAR.

I DIDN'T HAVE WHAT BEEN FIRED.

THEY HAD TO BE SOME GUN RESIDUE AROUND.

I MEAN, THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT WE CAN'T TELL FROM THE VIDEO.

WE CERTAINLY NOT LISTENING TO THE OFFICERS WHY WE'RE THERE FOR OFFICES AND THE FIRST FOR A TRAFFIC STOP.

AND YOU MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, GUNSHOT RESIDUE.

OBVIOUSLY THEY'LL BE ABLE TO TELL WHETHER OR NOT THAT GUN WAS FIRED IN THE COURSE OF THE INVESTIGATION.

SO A LOT TO LEARN TO READ WHAT KAREN WINTERS WANT TO GET YOU IN HERE.

>> BECAUSE YOU WILL, AS WE KNOW, WE NEWLY ELECTED 15 POLICE DISTRICT COUNCIL MEMBER.

ARE YOU, YOU KNOW, HOPEFUL THAT THE CITY'S COMMISSION THE COMMUNITY COMMISSION FOR PUBLIC SAFETY AND ACCOUNTABILITY AS WELL AS YOU AND YOUR COLLEAGUES ON THE POLICE SEARCH DISTRICT COUNCILS WILL BE ABLE TO HOLD CPD ACCOUNTABLE PREVENT FUTURE INSTANCES LIKE THIS.

>> SO LET ME BE CLEAR ABOUT SOMETHING IN THIS JUNCTURE.

I'M NOT.

SO WE'RE REPRESENTING AND I DON'T CONFLICT ANYTHING RIGHT?

OR DEAL WITH ANY POLITICS.

I'M I'M OPERATING LA MOVIE FOR FOUNDER BECAUSE MY GREAT NEPHEW WAS SHOT AND KILLED 16 IN 11TH DISTRICT.

I BELIEVE 11.

26 NEED TOMORROW.

THE 8 YEARS MY FAMILY AND ALSO I ALSO LEADING ORGANIZER WITH CROWD IN SAINT TO CREEK COALITION.

ARE DESPERATE CO-CHAIR FOR THE USE OF FORCE WORKING GROUPS.

SO WE HELP TO KIND REVISE FOR WE'VE MADE SOME ADDITIONS TO THEIR POLICY AND SOME SLIGHT CHANGES.

BUT 1, THING THAT THE POLICY SAY AS AN IDEA SEE HAPPEN AND I'M NOT AN EXPERT ON ANYTHING.

I'M A LAY PERSON, RIGHT?

I'M I'M I'M A COMMUNITY MEMBERS.

POLICE OFFICERS BEFORE THEY USE THAT THIS IS IN THE POLICY POLICE OFFICERS UPS ARE SUPPOSED TO IDENTIFY THEM BEFORE EXECUTE LEGAL LEGAL FORCE.

I DIDN'T HEAR THAT I CAN'T REALLY WATCH THE VIDEO FOR YOU.

JUST FOR BEING RE TRAUMATIZED.

THE ESCALATION IS WHERE PARTS WHEN THEY UP WHEN WHEN A VIDEO STARS, I DIDN'T HEAR ANY DE-ESCALATION TECHNIQUES.

EVERYTHING AFTER WAS ESCALATED.

SO THEY CREATED A CRITICAL SITUATION FOR YOUNG MAN.

PUT THEY COUNTY IN EXTREMELY VOLATILE, PROBABLY ACTION SITUATION.

SO I DON'T WANT TO START WITH WHAT HE'D I WANT US TO CONTINUE TO START WITH WHAT THEY IT.

WE ALWAYS PUT AN EMPHASIS ON INSIDE VICTIM AND THAT'S WHERE THE NARRATIVE ALWAYS BEGAN IN THE CITY OF CHICAGO WITH AT LEAST IN PART.

I WANT TO START WITH WHAT AD IT'S OF A HAVE POST A COUNTY AND HAVE A TALK WITH.

THEY HAD GUNS DRAWN AS YOUNG MAN IS IN HIS CAR WITH OFFICER'S WEAPON FOR OFFICES AROUND HIS CAR.

ALL THESE JOHNNY AND HE ADDED I DIDN'T HEAR THEM SAYING THING WE JUST PULLED OVER BECAUSE YOU ARE WEARING YOUR SEAT BELT AND AT THE TIME HE EXITED THE CAR WITH NO WEAPON IN HAND.

FIRING WAS SUPPOSED AND DESIST.

AND I'M NOT I'M NOT SAYING THAT FROM THE POLICY.

THINK FROM A HUMAN THAT WAS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO APPREHEND THAT YOUNG AND THAT HAND THAT EXIT I WANT TO SAY THIS REAL QUICKLY, 11 DISTRICT IS NOTORIOUS.

MY NEPHEW WAS KILLED IN 11TH DIST STRAIGHT ON MONDAY.

THE REGINAL PLAY WILL BE BACK AT 11.

THIS TO GET 5.30 FOR THE SAME REASON LAST YEAR THEY SHOT AND THEIR LOVED ONE.

IT WAS A YOUNG MAN AND SHORTLY AFTER MY NEPHEW DO WANT CHASE.

NO SHOT TO THE BACK THE RUNNING AT RABBIT.

FIND A YOUNG HAS MADE COULD BECAUSE I WANT TO LIFT HIS FAMILY.

FAMILY MADE IT TO GET AROUND BUT I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT CONDOLENCES.

YOU THE 8TH ANNIVERSARY FOR YOUR IN YOUR FAMILY FOR APPEAR LURIE TOMORROW.

BEFORE I LET YOU GO VERY BRIEFLY, REVEREND ABERCROMBIE, WHAT WITH THE FAMILY LIKE TO SEE?

>> NEXT IN THIS CASE?

>> WELL, THIS IS WHAT THE BAND IS REALLY AT FIRST OF ALL, THERE'S JUSTICE ACCOUNT FOR THAT CHANCE.

TRANSPARENCY.

WELL, THE AUTHORITIES BOB YOU THAT'S WHAT LOOKING FOR SUPPORT FROM THE COMMUNITY YOU THE MOTHER AT THIS POINT REALLY NEEDS COUNSELING SHE'S TRAUMATIZED IT CERTAIN LEA, A TRAUMATIC SITUATION FOR EVERYONE AT VIDEO THAT IS DIFFICULT TO WATCH.

IT IS UNDERSTANDING FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO CHOOSE NOT TO WATCH IT.

>> WE'LL HAVE TO LEAVE IT THERE.

MY THANKS TO REVEREND JEANETTE WILSON, FRANK CHAPMAN, REVEREND JOHN ABERCROMBIE AND A RAINBOW KAREN WINTERS.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

NEXT, A CLOSER LOOK AT THE OFFICERS ACTIONS LEADING UP TO DEC STU REED KILLING.

STAY WITH US.

>> CHICAGO, TONIGHT'S COVERAGE OF PUBLIC SAFETY IS SUPPORTED BY THE SOO LEE CHARITABLE FOUNDATION INITIATIVE FOR REDUCING VIOLENCE IN CHICAGO.

>> INVESTIGATIONS FROM THE CIVILIAN OFFICE OF POLICE, ACCOUNTABILITY OR COPA AND THE COOK COUNTY STATE'S ATTORNEY'S OFFICE ARE BEING CONDUCTED TO DETERMINE WHETHER THE POLICE OFFICERS VIOLATED CONDUCT POLICIES IN THE FATAL SHOOTING OF DECKS TO READ.

JOINING US NOW WITH MORE, OUR ARTHUR G O A PROFESSOR OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE AND PSYCHOLOGY AT LOYOLA UNIVERSITY.

CHICAGO AND SHARON FAIRLEY A UNIVERSITY OF CHICAGO LAW PROFESSOR WHO PREVIOUSLY SERVED AS THE CHIEF ADMINISTRATOR OF THE INDEPENDENT POLICE REVIEW AUTHORITY, THE AGENCY RESPONSIBLE FOR POLICE MISCONDUCT INVESTIGATIONS FROM THAT POSITION.

SHE ALSO HELPED CREATE AND BUILD CHICAGO'S CIVILIAN OFFICE OF POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY ABILITY.

WE SHOULD ALSO NOTE THAT WE INVITED THE CHICAGO POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE FRATERNAL ORDER OF POLICE, BUT THEY HAVE YET TO ART AND SHARON, I THANK YOU BOTH FOR JOINING US.

I WANT TO START WITH I WANT TO START WITH YOUR INITIAL REACTIONS.

AND THEN OF COURSE, WE'LL GET INTO OR A SPECIFIC QUESTIONS.

OUR FIRST QUESTION TO YOU WAS YOUR INITIAL REACTION OF WHAT WE SAW YESTERDAY.

>> A LOT OF A VERY IMPORTANT ARE VARIATIONS YOUR GUESTS.

THEY WERE RAISING THE SAME KINDS OF QUESTIONS I WOULD RAISE.

I WANT TO KNOW WHY A TACTICAL UNIT WAS ENGAGED PATROL ACTIVITIES RELATED TO TRAFFIC VEHICULAR VIOLATIONS.

I WANT TO KNOW WHAT IT WAS OTHER THAN THE REPORTED SEAT BELT VIOLATION PUT THEM AND STATE OF HYPER VIGILANCE AND AGGRESSIVENESS.

I I DID NOT IN THE VIDEO.

ANY ATTEMPTS TO DE-ESCALATE THE SITUATION TO SET THE STAGE FOR THE STOP TO INFORM THE YOUNG MAN WHY HE WAS BEING STOPPED.

AND TO BACK AWAY FROM THE VEHICLE TO PREVENT PERHAPS REDUCE THE TENSION.

YOU MIGHT HAVE BEEN FEELING.

ROUNDED BY POLICE WHO DREW THEIR ONE HE'S GONE ON THE WINDSHIELD.

WE DEFINITELY WILL.

>> WE DEFINITELY WANT TO GET INTO SOME OF THOSE MORE SPECIFICS AS WELL.

BUT BRIEFLY, SHARON, FAIRLEY WANT TO GET YOUR REACTION.

YOUR INITIAL REACTION AS WELL.

SURE.

WELL, OF COURSE, THE VIDEO IS JUST INCREDIBLY TRAGIC AND HEART-WRENCHING ON BECAUSE THERE'S A LOSS OF LIFE AND IT'S IT'S REALLY HARD TO WATCH.

>> UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, BUT AGAIN, THAT THE INCIDENT, THERE'S JUST A LOT GOING ON.

AND AS THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT ARE BAY, WHERE IS AND OF COURSE, THAT'S WHAT INVESTIGATIONS ARE GOING TO TRY UNCOVER AND WHETHER OR NOT THERE WERE VIOLATIONS OF POLICY ALONG WITH REGARD TO THE WAY THE OFFICER CONDUCTED THEMSELVES.

AND OF COURSE, JUST LOOKING AT THE VIDEO, THE VIDEO ITSELF WAS NOT GOING TO GIVE ALL THOSE ANSWERS.

IT'S GOING TO TAKE THE FULL INVESTIGATION.

SO IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT NOT TO RUSH TO JUDGMENT HERE, BUT TO LET THE INVESTIGATION PLAY THEMSELVES OUT.

BUT THEY'RE STILL NONETHELESS, A LOT OF QUESTIONS TO BE >> AS WE KNOW, AND AS WE'VE MENTIONED SEVERAL TIMES, 4 POLICE OFFICERS FIRING 96 ROUNDS AND APPROXIMATELY 40 SECONDS.

IT CAN YOU TELL CAN YOU SAY WHETHER OR NOT THAT IS EXCESSIVE AT THIS POINT IN THE INVESTIGATION?

ARTHUR?

>> YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT POLICE OFFICERS STATE OF MIND.

THAT MISTER REID WAS POSING A THREAT.

IF HE INDEED FIRED FIRST AND INJURED A POLICE OFFICER, THEN THERE'S JUST CAUSE FOR RETURNING UNDER THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES LAWFUL USE OF FORCE.

HOW DO WE QUANTIFY SUCCESS THE KINDS OF WEAPONS THAT OFFICERS HAVE REQUIRES.

A COUPLE OF POLLS OF THE TRIGGER TO RELEASE NUMEROUS ROUNDS.

HE SAID THESE ARE REVOLVER TYPE WEAPONS.

AND SO THE POLICE BEING AT A HEIGHTENED DEGREE OF OF SENSITIVITY AND THRIVE ARE NOT GOING TO BE MAKING.

KIND OF THOUGHTFUL DECISIONS ABOUT LONG THEY SHOULD HOLD THE TRIGGER DOWN TO RELEASE THE ROUNDS.

THAT'S NOT THE PART OF THE BRAIN THAT'S OPERATING AT MOMENTS.

IT'S A PART OF THAT'S RESPONDED TO THE THREAT.

AND SO NOT MAKING CONSIDER DECISIONS ALONG THOSE LINES.

>> SHARON, MANY PEOPLE THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TALK ABOUT THE BASIS FOR THIS STOP IN THE FIRST PLACE.

ACCORDING TO POLICE, IT WAS PREPARED REPORTEDLY FOR NOT WEARING A SEATBELT.

I'M IN A CAR WITH SOME VERY TENTATIVE WINDOWS.

DOES THIS INITIAL RESPONSE FROM POLICE AS THEY APPROACHED READ?

WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT?

>> SO IT'S NOT IT'S ACTUALLY CONSISTENT WITH THE CONSTITUTION.

THERE'S A THERE'S A CASE THAT SAYS IT'S OK FOR POLICE TO STOP SOMEONE FOR A TRAFFIC VIOLATION.

EVEN WHEN THE STOP THEY'RE REALLY INTERESTED BECAUSE THEY THINK SOMETHING MORE SERIOUS IS GOING ON WITH THAT PERSON THAT IN AND OF ITSELF IS ACTUALLY ILLEGAL.

KNOW WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT POLICE TO BE MAKING THOSE KINDS OF PRETEXTUAL STOPS IS WHAT THEY'RE CALLED.

IS ANOTHER QUESTION.

AND SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, TO ME THE QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS IT GENERATED THEIR INTEREST IN THIS PARTICULAR CAR PERSON VEHICLE THAT MADE THEM STOP?

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER QUESTION THAT I'M ASKING IS WHEN THE PERSON WITH MISTER TO, YOU KNOW, DECLINED TO, YOU KNOW, START.

YOU KNOW, HE WAS ROLLING HIS WINDOW UP AND WAS NOT DOES.

WAS DISOBEYING THEIR ORDERS ABOUT THE WINDOW.

WASN'T THE CORRECT RESPONSE.

ACCORDING TO POLICY AND TRAINING TO ACTUALLY THREATEN HIM WITH WITH DEADLY FORCE POINTING A WEAPON OR DID THAT ESCALATE THE SITUATION UNNECESSARILY?

BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CPD POLICY SAYS IS THAT.

WHEN THE WHEN CONSIDERING THE TOTALITY OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES OR AN INCIDENT LIKE THIS, THEY WILL CONSIDER WHAT LED TO THE ENCOUNTER.

WHAT YOU KNOW, WHAT THE CONDUCT OF THE OFFICERS WERE THAT LED TO THE NEED TO USE FORCE.

AND SO THAT WILL BE CONSIDERED.

AND THAT WILL BE PART OF THE INVESTIGATION.

>> WELL, IT INTO THAT YOU MENTION, SHARON, YOU KNOW, READ CAN BE HEARD ON THE VIDEO SAYING I'M TRYING WHEN OFFICERS ARE SHOUTING AT HIM TO, YOU KNOW, TO OPEN THE DOOR BECAUSE INITIALLY HE ROLLED THE WINDOW DOWN AND THEN BACK UP AND HE SAYS, I'M TRYING THE OFFICERS DEMANDING THAT HE UNLOCKED THE DOOR AND OPEN IT IN THAT INSTANCE, THOUGH, IF HE APPEARS TO BE NOT COMPLYING, YOU KNOW HOW OR OFFICERS TO RESPOND IN THAT INSTANCE.

>> YEAH, I THINK THAT'S THAT'S A QUESTION THAT THAT THAT IS GOING TO BE ASKED AS PART OF THIS INVESTIGATION.

I I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A SPECIFIC POLICY AROUND BUT I'M SURE THERE'S GOING TO BE TRAINING AROUND THAT BECAUSE THIS CAN'T BE THE FIRST TIME THAT'S EVER HAPPENED.

SO I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE A QUESTION THAT'S GOING TO BE IMPORTANT TO ANSWER.

>> ARTHUR, WHAT WHAT KIND OF THOUGHTS COME INTO FOR OFFICERS?

WHAT ARE WHAT ARE THE FACTORS THAT THEY'RE WEIGHING WHEN THEY HAVE TO REACT FAIRLY QUICKLY AT, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEONE'S NOT COMPLYING WITH THEIR ORDERS AND THEY BELIEVE THAT THAT PERSON IS A THREAT.

>> WE HAVE TO MANY CASES INSTANTANEOUSLY.

AND SO TRAINEE WOULD ALSO HAVE INVOLVE A LOT OF SIMULATIONS OF THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES.

SO THAT COULD BE REPEATED PRACTICE FOR HOW TO RESPOND.

LOWERING OF THE VOICES CALLED FOR WEAPON IN THE MANNER THAT THEY DID GOING RATCHET TENSION IN THE SITUATION NOT FOR THE CIVILIAN, BUT ALSO FOR THE OFFICERS.

THE OFFICERS ARE BECOMING VERY TENSE BY THE VERY FACT THAT THEY HAVE A GUN THEIR HAND.

YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THINK THAT OFFICERS ARE DRAWING THEIR THAT'S NOT THE CASE.

MAYBE TACTICAL OFFICERS PROBABLY DO IT MORE MORE PATROL OFFICERS BUT HAVING THE GUN IN HAND, HE'S HAVING AN EFFECT ON THE OFFICER NIGHT.

THE THE CIVILIAN.

>> AND SHARON, WE'VE GOT JUST A COUPLE OF SECONDS LEFT, BUT WE'VE ONLY SEEN THE VIDEO OF THE INCIDENT.

AS YOU MENTIONED, THAT DOESN'T SHOW THE ENTIRE PICTURE.

WHAT ELSE ARE INVESTIGATORS GOING TO BE LOOKING AT IN JUST A FEW SECONDS?

>> YEAH.

SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT ALL THE BALLISTICS EVIDENCE.

IT'S GOING TO BE ANALYZED.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THE RESULT.

AGAIN, LIKE YOU TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, THE GUN RESIDUE, THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, DID HE ACTUALLY FIRED HIS THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO LEARN WHETHER HE DID FIRE SPURS, WHO BARBERS.

AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF IMPORTANT FACTS TO BE CONSIDERED HERE.

NONE OF THOSE THINGS ARE DISPOSITIVE, RIGHT?

EVEN IF HE DID FIRE FIRST, THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU KNOW THAT.

THAT'S THE ANSWER.

AND THE OFFICERS WE'RE RIGHT IN RESPONDING WITH DEADLY FORCE BECAUSE DEVELOP THE SITUATION NEEDS TO THAT IN ITS ENTIRETY.

>> AND IT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME TIME TO DO THAT WILL ALL BE WAITING.

MY THANKS TO THE 2 OF YOU ARE.

IS YOUR LOW RATIO IN SHARON, FAIRLEY FOR JOINING US?

AND THAT IS OUR SHOW FOR TONIGHT.

JOIN US TOMORROW NIGHT AT 5, 30 10 FOR CHICAGO TONIGHT, LATINO VOICES NOW FOR ALL OF US HERE IN CHICAGO TONIGHT, BLACK VOICES.

I'M GREATEST FRIEDMAN, STAY HEALTHY AND SAFE AND HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.

>> CLOSED CAPTION IS MADE POSSIBLE BY ROBERT A AND CLIFFORD CHICAGO PERSONAL INJURY AND WRONGFUL DEATH.

THAT IS PROUD TO BE A