FOR JOINING US ON CHICAGO TONIGHT.

BLACK VOICES.

I'M BRANDIS FRIEDMAN ON THE SHOW TONIGHT.

BLACK MAN COULD BE CRUCIAL IN DECIDING THE PRESIDENTIAL RACE IN NOVEMBER.

WHAT KAMALA HARRIS AND DONALD TRUMP NEED TO DO TO WIN THEIR VOTE.

WITH HOUSING BECOMING A MAJOR CAMPAIGN ISSUE.

WE EXPLAIN THE HISTORY OF REDLINING AND HOW IT BEGAN IN CHICAGO.

I KNOW WHAT HOME OWNERSHIP AT RIGHT NOW.

IT IS OUT OF REACH FOR A FIGHT AND LOCAL REACTION TO HARRIS'S NEWLY RELEASED PLAN TO ADDRESS THE NATIONAL HOUSING SHORTAGE.

AND NOW TO SOME OF TODAY'S TOP STORIES.

THE U.S. SUPREME COURT IS BLOCKING THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION'S LATEST ATTEMPT TO REINSTATE ITS STUDENT DEBT RELIEF PLAN.

THE COURT TODAY DENIED A REQUEST BY THE ADMINISTRATION TO LIFT A NATIONWIDE INJUNCTION IMPOSED BY AN APPEALS COURT.

THE PROGRAM THAT WOULD LOWER PAYMENTS FOR MILLIONS OF BORROWERS WILL INSTEAD REMAIN ON HOLD.

WILL LAWSUITS MAKE THEIR WAY THROUGH LOWER COURTS?

CRITICS OF BIDEN'S PROGRAM SAY IT WOULD REQUIRE BILLIONS IN ADDITIONAL SPENDING THAT WAS NOT AUTHORIZED BY CONGRESS.

TODAY'S ORDER HAS NO IMMEDIATE IMPACT ON BORROWERS CURRENTLY ENROLLED IN THE PROGRAM.

CLEANUP EFFORTS ARE UNDERWAY AFTER LAST NIGHT'S STORMS.

CREWS TODAY CLEANED UP TREES, LARGE BRANCHES AFTER HIGH WINDS AND HEAVY RAIN HIT THE CHICAGO AREA AROUND 40,000 CUSTOMERS EXPERIENCED POWER OUTAGES LAST NIGHT.

ACCORDING TO COMMENT.

AND AS OF 04:00PM TODAY, ABOUT 9,000 CUSTOMERS WERE STILL WITHOUT POWER.

DRIVERS TAKING DUSABLE LAKESHORE DRIVE THROUGH THE UPTOWN IN EDGEWATER.

NEIGHBORHOODS WILL NEED TO FIND ANOTHER ROUTE FOR A FEW EVENINGS NEXT WEEK.

ROAD CONSTRUCTION WILL IMPACT FOLKS HITTING BOTH NORTH AND SOUTHBOUND STARTING NEXT TUESDAY AT 07:00PM AND EACH NIGHT THROUGH THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 5TH WITH LANE REDUCTIONS AND CLOSURES FULLY REOPENING EACH MORNING AT 06:00AM THE CHICAGO DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION SAYS THE WORK IS EXPECTED TO BE COMPLETED BY LATE OCTOBER C DOT RECOMMENDS PLANNING AHEAD AND ALLOWING EXTRA TIME FOR ALTERNATE ROUTES.

WHAT THE CANDIDATES FOR PRESIDENT NEED TO DO TO CAPTURE A KEY DEMOGRAPHIC RIGHT AFTER THIS.

CHICAGO TONIGHT, BLACK VOICES IS MADE POSSIBLE IN PART BY THE SUPPORT OF THESE DONORS.

A BLACK MEN ARE EMERGING AS A POTENTIALLY KEY VOTING BLOC IN THIS YEAR'S PRESIDENTIAL RACE.

AND WHILE BLACK MEN HAVE TRADITIONALLY BEEN RELIABLE VOTERS FOR DEMOCRATS, SOME SAY THEY FEEL DISCONNECTED FROM THE PARTY AND ARE FRUSTRATED BY ITS INACTION.

BOTH CANDIDATES, KAMALA HARRIS AND DONALD TRUMP ARE MAKING A PUSH TO APPEAL TO BLACK MEN AHEAD OF NOVEMBER'S ELECTION.

JOINING US NOW WITH MORE ON THE IMPORTANCE OF THAT VOTE ARE ALVIN TILLERY FOUNDER AND TREASURER OF THE ALLIANCE FOR BLACK EQUALITY AND DEVIN JONES.

REPUBLICAN COMMITTEEMAN OF THE 18TH WARD AND CHAIRMAN OF THE SOUTH SIDE REPUBLICANS.

THANKS TO YOU BOTH FOR JOINING US.

WELCOME BACK.

THANK SO LET'S START ABOUT SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT ARE ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT TO BLACK MALE VOTERS.

THIS ELECTION CYCLE.

ALVIN TILLERY, LET'S START WITH YEAH.

WELL, MY MY FROM THE 2040 STRETCH GROUP WHICH IS SUPPORTING THE LINE TO BLACK QUALITY SUPER PAC.

WE'RE TRYING TO MOBILIZE MILLENNIAL AND GEN Z BLACK VOTERS AND YOUNG BLACK MEN.

WE'VE BEEN POLLING ON THE CYCLE SINCE OCTOBER AND WE FOUND AT THE TOP 4 ISSUES FOR BLACK VOTERS, PARTICULARLY THOSE UNDER 40 OUR GUN VIOLENCE, A SURF FEARS ABOUT DECLINING RACE RELATIONS.

FEARS ABOUT PLANS.

WHAT BANS ON BLACK HISTORY AND BANS ON CORPORATE DEI PROGRAMS.

AND THOSE THINGS HAVE RESONATED, YOU KNOW, PRETTY CONSISTENTLY SINCE AUGUST AND RIGHT UP UNTIL 2 WEEKS AGO WHEN WE PULLED OUR LAST POLL OUT OF THE FIELD.

AND TO BE CLEAR, YOU'RE TALKING AUGUST OF LAST YEAR AND YEAH, HEARD LAST YEAR.

ALRIGHT, DEVIN JONES IN QUESTION TO YOU.

WHAT DO YOU THINK ARE SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO BLACK MEN THIS ELECTION CYCLE?

I THINK ON THE GROUND A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE DEALING WITH FINANCIAL ISSUES, THE ABILITY TO TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES AND THEIR FAMILIES.

I'M A MILLENNIAL MYSELF ON 38 AND A LOT OF US ARE STRUGGLING TO FIND GAINFUL EMPLOYMENT, MEANINGFUL EMPLOYMENT ENTREPRENEURS ARE NOT DOING WELL.

SO THAT'S WHAT I SEE ON THE GROUND IS MORE ECONOMIC ISSUES THE CLIMATE IS NOT HEALTHY FOR US.

DEVON, YOU'RE A REPUBLICAN AND A SUPPORTER OF DONALD TRUMP.

WHAT ATTRACTS YOU TO HIM AS A VOTER?

I THINK FOR ME IT'S A CURTAILING OF GOVERNMENT.

EVERY DOLLAR THAT THE GOVERNMENT TAKES IS A DOLLAR THAT I HAVE TO GIVE IT.

AND AND AS WE HAVE SAME GOVERNMENT HAS NOT SERVED, ESPECIALLY BLACK MAN IN THIS COUNTRY.

AND IN THIS CITY, WE SEE A MIGRANT CRISIS THAT IS OUT OF CONTROL AS MONEY THAT SHOULD BE GOING TO COMMUNITIES THAT WE HAVE TO PAY IN TAXES IS GOING TO OTHER THINGS THAT DON'T ACTUALLY HELP HELP THE COMMUNITY.

SO THAT'S WHAT ATTRACTED ME TO HIM IS WHAT HE DID THE LAST 4 YEARS TO CURTAIL THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND ALLOW US TO BE ABLE TO FIGHT AT THE STATE LEVEL FOR DIFFERENT POLICIES.

WHEN THINK DONALD TRUMP RESONATES WITH OTHER BLACK MEN, I THINK THE SAME REASON I YOU KNOW, AND IT'S IT'S NOT SO MUCH THAT DONALD TRUMP NECESSARILY RESONATE.

I THINK A LOT OF IT IS WE HAVE SAVED DESTRUCTIVE POLICIES OF DEMOCRATS IN THE CITY AND THEN THE STATE WE'VE SAME WHAT PROGRESSIVISM HAS TO OFFER AND WE'RE NOT ATTRACTED TO IT ANYMORE.

ALLEN TORY, WHAT DO YOU THINK?

VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS IS THE BETTER CANDIDATE FOR THE JOB?

WELL, I MEAN, I HAVE TO DISAGREE DEVIN.

I MEAN, YOU'RE DONALD TRUMP'S PROJECT 2025 AND PROJECT.

47 AGENDA ARE DEEPLY STEEPED IN ANTI-BLACKNESS.

ANY ONE OF THE YOU SORT OF POLICY PROMISES IS TO DEFUND THE EQUAL EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITY COMMISSION, WHICH COMES TO US OUT OF THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT OF 1964, WHICH BANS WORKPLACE DISCRIMINATION.

IF YOU DEFUND ORGANIZATION MEANT TO POLICE WORKPLACE DISCRIMINATION.

WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO BLACK MEN IN THE HIRING PROCESS?

I ALSO THINK THE ANTI DEI AND THE AND THE BANS ON BLACK HISTORY, ACTUALLY STARTED WITH DONALD TRUMP WAS ONE OF THE LAST ACTS OF HIS PRESIDENCY WAS TO BAN SPENDING ON DEI PROGRAMS IN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT BLACK MEN.

85% ARE NOT IN LINE WITH THAT AGENDA.

THE QUESTION WHERE I THINK KEVIN IS RIGHT, IS THAT CAN TRUMP WIN 10, 11, 12% OF THE BLACK POPULATION.

HE ABSOLUTELY CAN.

AND THAT SPELLS A LOSS FOR KAMALA HARRIS.

AND THAT'S WHY THEY SHOULD BE ALARMED ON THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE.

SO FOLLOWING THE DEMOCRAT, DID YOU WANT TO ADD SOMETHING TO SO PROJECT 2025 IS FROM THE HERITAGE FOUNDATION.

THAT IS NOT A PART OF DONALD TRUMP'S CAMPAIGN IS NOT A PART OF HIS AGENDA.

AS SO TO TIE THAT TO HIM WHEN HE IS CLEARLY SAY THAT THAT THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HIM.

I THINK HE'S KIND DISHONEST.

AND AND WE SAID WE SHOULD STOP WITH THAT WITH THAT RHETORIC.

WELL, I DON'T THINK THAT THE VOTERS BELIEVE THAT IT'S NOT SHOWING UP IN ANY OF MY POLLS THAT THE BUSH LEAVE THAT.

AND AGAIN, I'VE ALSO REFERENCE PROJECT AGENDA.

47 SURE WHICH I'M SURE YOU'VE READ.

YES, HE DOES SAY THAT HE WILL DEFUND THE E E O C AND HE ALSO ADVOCATES FOR A NATIONAL STOP AND FRISK AND BLACK KNOW VOTERS ARE NOT IN LINE WITH THAT.

SO OKAY.

FOLLOWING THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL CONVENTION LAST WEEK, MORE THAN 40,000 BLACK MEN BE CONNECTED FOR THIS FOR OUR FUNDRAISING CALLED FOR THE HARRIS CAMPAIGN, FOLLOWED A SERIES OF SIMILAR CALLS HELD BY OTHER DEMOGRAPHIC GROUPS, INCLUDING RIGHT.

DUDE'S FOR KAMALA HARRIS, FOREIGN IN THE BLACK MEN FOR KAMALA HARRIS CALLED, ILLINOIS ATTORNEY GENERAL KWAME RAOUL.

HE ACTUALLY JOINED THE CALL AS WELL, VOICING HIS SUPPORT FOR HARRIS SAYING SOMETIME, QUOTE, SOMETIMES AS BLACK MEN, WE GET CONFUSED AS TO WHAT STRENGTH IS.

AND SOMETIMES WE THINK THAT STANDING BEHIND A BLACK WOMAN AS A LEADER DOES NOT DISPLACE STRENGTH AS BLACK MAN.

I'M HERE TO TELL YOU ALL TONIGHT THAT IT DOES THE OPPOSITE OF THAT.

IT DISPLAYS STRENGTH.

HOW YOU THINK THAT THERE ARE SOME ELEMENTS SUCH A WAR HERE?

YOU KNOW WHAT PART OF BLACK MEN'S RELUCTANCE TO SUPPORT KAMALA HARRIS IS ABOUT A WOMAN BEING IN THE HIGHEST POSITION IN POWER.

WELL, YES, AND AGAIN RUN.

SO I WANT TO BE CLEAR.

8 IN 10 BLACK ARE GOING TO GO TO THE POLLS AND VOTE FOR KAMALA HARRIS.

COMPARED OR IS BARACK OBAMA WHO WOULD GOTTEN, YOU KNOW, 9.5 OUT OF 10, RIGHT?

AND SO AMONG THAT SORT OF GROUP MASSAGING ARE NOT WANTING TO HAVE A WOMAN PRESIDENT.

IT IS PART OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE COCKTAIL THAT CREATES A PROBLEM FOR KAMALA HARRIS WHO RIGHT NOW IS RUNNING BEHIND WHERE JOE BIDEN WAS IN 2020 WITH BLACK VOTERS AND SHE'S GOT TO BE UP WHERE BARACK OBAMA WAS IN 2008 2012 TO WIN.

AND SOME OF THOSE FOLKS ARE LIKE DEVON 8, THEY'RE MUCH MORE SYMPATHETIC TO THE REPUBLICAN POLICY AGENDA THERE.

THERE IS A NEW BLACK SWING VOTER THAT HE'S WORKING TO COURT.

IT'S JUST A MUCH SMALLER SHARE OF THE POPULATION THAT I THINK YOU WOULD AGREE IT.

BUT YET ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE IN PLAY AND COULD EASILY DENY HER THE PRESIDENCY.

AND THAT'S WHY I STARTED THE ALLIANCE QUALITY TO MOBILIZE YOUNG BLACKS AND BLACK MEN TO UNDERSTAND THE POLICY AGENDAS THAT ARE AT PLAY IN THIS ELECTION.

DEVON, WHAT DO YOU THINK?

IS THERE AN ELEMENT OF MISOGYNY OR HERE?

I DON'T THINK ESPECIALLY WHEN WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A COMMUNITY THAT DISPROPORTIONATELY IS RAISED IN SINGLE PARENT HOMES, WHICH WHICH ARE WOMEN.

I WAS RAISED BY MY MOTHER.

I DO.

NONE OF US HAVE ANYTHING AGAINST BLACK WOMEN.

WE LOVE BLACK WOMEN.

WE SUPPORT BLACK WOMEN.

BUT AGAIN, IT GOES TO THE POLICIES THAT WE HAVE LIVED OUT UNDER MAJORITY DEMOCRAT LEGISLATION.

AND SO THAT'S WHY YOU'RE SEEING THIS SHIFT THAT YOU ARE CORRECT.

IT'S MUCH SMALLER, BUT I THINK IT'S STILL SIGNIFICANT TO SAY THAT THERE'S A SIZABLE AMOUNT OF US WHO ARE SAYING WE DO NOT WANT A LINE WITH THE AGENDA AS IT HAS BEEN AS SO.

WE WANT TO TRY SOMETHING DIFFERENT, SOMETHING THAT LIMITS GOVERNMENT THAT ALLOWS US TO THRIVE IN OUR OWN HOMES AND FAMILIES.

WHAT DO YOU THINK EITHER CAMPAIGN NEEDS TO DO TO REACH OUT TO THE BLACK MALE VOTE?

SPECIFICALLY?

TALK TO US, ADDRESS US WITH WITH DIRECT POLICY.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S A NUMBER OF GROUPS WHO HAVE GOTTEN A NUMBER OF OF DIFFERENT POLICIES FROM EITHER SIDE.

AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE POLICY THAT IS DIRECTED, NOT JUST A MAN BUT TO TO BLACK PEOPLE IN GENERAL TO SPECIFICALLY 2 AMERICAN FREE BECAUSE THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JUST SAY BLACK AND AND THOSE OF US WHO ARE WHO WOULD CONSIDER OURSELVES AMERICAN FRIEDMAN, AMERICAN FRIEDMAN.

YEAH.

SO THE DESCENDANTS OF OF SLAVERY, PEOPLE WHO YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE BUY SAY FOUNDATIONAL BLACK AMERICANS, A DOS THAT THAT GROUP OF PEOPLE, THOSE OF US WHO DON'T COME FROM AN IMMIGRANT BACKGROUND BUT HAVE BEEN HERE SINCE THE FOUNDATION OF THIS COUNTRY.

AL VINSON QUESTION TO YOU.

WHAT DO YOU THINK THE CAMPAIGNS NEED TO DO TO REACH OUT TO BLACK VOTERS?

THIS IS WHERE I ACTUALLY AGREE WITH GOVERNOR.

I THINK THAT THE MESSAGING THAT THEY'RE EMPLOYING IS THE KIND OF RACE NEUTRAL MESSAGING MAN TO BRING EVERYONE UNDER THE BIG TENT BECAUSE SHE'S RUNNING UNDER THE SORT OF BELIEF THAT SHE'S GOT TO BRING AS MANY WHITE SWING VOTERS FROM THE SUBURBS AND THE RURAL AREAS OVER TO HERS POSSIBLE.

AND I THINK THAT THEY'RE LEAVING ON THE TABLE, DIRECT MESSAGING TO BLACK MEN ABOUT THE AGENDA ITEMS THAT THEY CARE ABOUT, WHETHER THEY'RE WITH DEVON TALKS ABOUT OR WHAT I HAVE FOUND.

MY SURVEYS OF 25,000 BLACK PEOPLE SINCE LAST FALL, RIGHT?

AND SO THE REALITY IS THAT THEY'RE NOT DOING A GOOD JOB WITH THAT.

AND THE REALITY IS THAT HAS TO CHANGE.

AND SO I STARTED MY SUPER PAC IS TOO FUNDED DIGITAL ADS, NOT TELEVISION ADS, WHICH YOUNG BLACK PEOPLE DON'T BECAUSE THEY'RE THEY'RE WATCHING ON THEIR PHONES, RIGHT, SO THAT THEY CAN DIRECTLY SPEAK TO THESE YOUNG PEOPLE.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE CAMPAIGN DO MORE OF THAT RULING OUT LESS SEPTAGE IN AREA AN OCTOGENARIAN ELECTED SAYS THEIR SURROGATES GETTING YOUNG PEOPLE TO TALK TO OTHER YOUNG PEOPLE.

ALL RIGHT.

THEY CAN DO LOOKS LIKE THE BLACK MALE VOTE, MAYBE THE BLACK VOTE ALTOGETHER.

BASED ON WHAT THE 2 OF YOU ARE SAYING COULD BE CRUCIAL FOR THIS ELECTION WILL HAVE TO LEAVE IT THERE.

SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT MORE ALVIN TILLERY AND EVAN JONES, THANKS SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

THANK.

THANK YOU.

THIS.

UP NEXT, CHICAGO IS PERSISTENT HISTORY OF HOUSING, SEGREGATION.

AFFORDABLE HOUSING HAS BECOME A CAMPAIGN ISSUE IN THE RACE FOR PRESIDENT BUT DISPARITIES IN HOUSING OPPORTUNITY IS NOTHING NEW TO UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE TODAY.

IT CAN BE USEFUL TO LOOK BACK AT HOW WE GOT HERE.

THE LATEST IN OUR DIGITAL SERIES W T TW NEWS EXPLAINS EXPLORES THE HISTORY OF REDLINING AND ITS ORIGINS HERE IN CHICAGO.

TO THIS DAY.

CHICAGOANS LIVE IN A FAIRLY SEGREGATED CITY WITH THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE BLACK POPULATION LIVING ON THE CITY'S SOUTH AND WEST SIDES.

THE LATINO POPULATION ON THE WEST AND NORTHWEST SIDES IN THE WHITE POPULATION ON THE NORTH AND THAT SEGREGATION DIDN'T HAPPEN BY COINCIDENCE.

BUT BY DESIGN, IT DATES BACK TO A TIME WHEN BLACKS WERE PREVENTED FROM BUYING HOMES, NOT ONLY BY REAL ESTATE AGENTS WHO STEERED PERSPECTIVE BLACK BUYERS TO BLACK NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT ALSO BY BANKS AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THROUGH A PROCESS CALLED REDLINING.

WHAT SIMPLY REDLINING IS THE ACTIVE DENYING PEOPLE ACCESS TO CREDIT BECAUSE OF WHERE THEY LIVE.

AND THEY ARE EVEN IF THEY'RE QUALIFIED BORROWERS.

SO HOW DID EARLY TO MID 20TH CENTURY CHICAGO NEWS REDLINING TO DENY MANY BLACKS FROM ACHIEVING THE AMERICAN DREAM.

HERE'S CHICAGO.

CIRCA THE EARLY 20TH CENTURY COLOR CODED BY THE FEDERAL HOME OWNERS, LOAN CORPORATION AND FEDERAL HOUSING ADMINISTRATION TO INDICATE WHERE IT WAS SAFE TO LAND AND INSURE MORTGAGES.

THE AREA'S COLOR-CODED GREEN OR BLUE INDICATED NEIGHBORHOODS WITH A OR B RATINGS CONSIDERED THE BEST OR DESIRABLE AREAS FOR THEM TO ENSURE A MORTGAGE A YELLOW OR C RATING MEANT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS DECLINING RED WERE DEEMED MEANT HAZARDOUS, AS YOU CAN GUESS THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS RATE RED WERE LARGELY BLACK AND DEEMED TOO RISKY TO INSURE MORTGAGES.

A 1940 APPRAISERS MAP REFERS TO SOME RED LINES.

CHICAGO NEIGHBORHOODS AS VIRTUALLY 100% OVERCROWDED AND LIGHTED ANOTHER NOTES AND INCREASING ENCROACHMENT OF FOR THE MORE BLACKS WERE OFTEN PREVENTED FROM MOVING INTO NEW DEVELOPING COMMUNITIES DUE TO RACIALLY RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS OR CLAUSES.

PIONEERED BY CHICAGO REALTY GROUP'S EXPLICITLY PROHIBITING BLACKS FROM PURCHASING THAT PROPERTY.

THE INABILITY TO GET FEDERALLY INSURED HOME MORTGAGES MADE BLACKS VULNERABLE TO PREDATORS, USE OPEN HOUSE IS ON CONTRACT, GIVING THE ILLUSION OF A MORTGAGE WITH NONE OF THE NORMAL PROTECTIONS.

IT WASN'T UNTIL THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ENACTED THE FAIR HOUSING ACT IN 1968.

JUST DAYS AFTER THE ASSASSINATION OF REVEREND MARTIN LUTHER KING REDLINING WAS MADE ILLEGAL IN THE BARRIERS STARTED TO COME UNFORTUNATELY, THE FAIR HOUSING ACT CONTAINED FEW PROVISIONS FOR ENFORCEMENT.

AND SO IN MANY WAYS, READING OF SEGREGATION REMAINS AND YOU CAN SEE MORE OF OUR EMMY AWARD-WINNING SERIES W T TW NEWS EXPLAINS ON OUR WEBSITE AT WT TW DOT COM SLASH EXPLAINS.

FROM HISTORICAL HOUSING ISSUES TO TODAY.

KAMALA HARRIS MADE HER CASE FOR THE PRESIDENCY LAST WEEK AT THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL CONVENTION.

AND SHE'S ZEROED IN ON A PROBLEM PLAGUING MANY AMERICANS HOUSING.

SHE VOWS TO END THE NATIONAL HOUSING SHORTAGE, LOWER THE COST OF RENT AND MAKE MORE EASILY REACH GOAL.

HERE'S OUR CAMPAIGN'S NEW AD.

BUT DETAILS WERE HOUSING PLAN.

AND AMERICA'S HOUSING SHORTAGE BY BUILDING 3 MILLION NEW HOMES.

AND TO MAKE IT MORE AFFORDABLE TO BUY A HOME.

JOINING US NOW WITH MORE ARE DON WASHINGTON, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE CHICAGO HOUSING INITIATIVE AND TED DABROWSKI, PRESIDENT OF WIRE POINTS.

A NONPROFIT FOCUSED ON RESEARCH ABOUT ILLINOIS'S ECONOMY AND GOVERNMENT GENTLEMAN.

WELCOME BACK.

THANKS FOR JOINING US.

CAN LET'S START WITH WHAT DO YOU START WITH WHAT YOU THINK OF HARRIS'S PLAN?

FIRST OF ALL, DO YOU THINK IT'S AFFECTIVE?

TED DABROWSKI?

LET'S START WITH YOU.

WELL, I THINK, YOU KNOW, YOU HEARD HER SAY THAT SHE WANTS THE GOVERNOR WANTS TO HELP BRING PRICES DOWN.

AND I THINK THE FIRST THING WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND IS THE GOVERNMENT'S DONE A LOT TO MAKE THOSE PRICES GO UP A LOT.

WHEN WE WHEN WE CLOSED ECONOMY BEFORE DURING COVID, GOT HIT MASSIVE SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES THAT PUSHED UP THE PRICE HOUSES.

WE LOWERED INTEREST RATES TO 0 WHICH MAKE THEM AND INCREASE FOR HOUSING THAT PUSHED UP PRICES.

THEN RACE 27%.

MORTGAGE RATES THAT MADE HOUSING EVEN LESS AFFORDABLE.

SO THE GOVERNMENT IS CREATE A LOT OF THE AFFORDABILITY ISSUES.

SO IF NOW THEY WON'T PUT MORE MONEY INTO IT, THE MINUTE THEY HAND OUT $25,000 TO TEACH HOUSEHOLD DEMAND WILL GO UP.

PRICES WILL GO UP.

GAVIN AFFORDABILITY ISSUE.

SO I THINK WE NEED FOLKS ON THE SUPPLY MUCH MORE THAN ON DEMAND SIDE.

WASHINGTON'S IN QUESTION, ARE YOU?

WELL, LET'S START WITH THE FULL SIMPLE THING HERE, WHAT IS HOUSING, RIGHT?

WHAT IS IT WISELY HOUSING?

WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT WHEN YOU SET FREE?

OBVIOUSLY WE'RE LIVE.

IT IS.

IT IS A HOUSE PARLIAMENT TO THE SHELTER SHELTER.

BUT WHAT IT REALLY IS A NECESSITY.

SO BY DEFINITION, RIGHT?

THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE.

THAT NO MARKET CAN EVER SERVE.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?

THERE'S SOME PEOPLE THAT WILL NEVER ENOUGH MONEY TO BE HOUSE BY THE MARKET.

A MARKET-BASED SOLUTION BY DEFINITION MEANS THAT SOME PERCENTAGE OF AMERICANS WILL BE PERMANENTLY HOMELESS.

SO WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT HOUSING AND COMPLETELY DIFFERENT WAY.

ALL THIS BUSINESS ABOUT INFLATION AND PERCENTAGES AND INTEREST RATES, ALL THAT BUSINESS IS NOT AS IMPORTANT WHAT IS THE BASELINE FOR MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY HOUSE AND EVERYONE.

OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING SITUATION HERE IN THE CITY OF CHICAGO IS A CRISES.

LET'S SAY THAT THERE ACTUALLY WAS A MARKET-BASED SOLUTION, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY USING AT THIS POINT RIGHT?

WE ARE 150,000 UNITS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING SHORT.

UNDER THE PRESENT PARADIGM.

KAMALA HARRIS'S PLAN DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH DETAILS FOR ME TO ACTUALLY TELL YOU WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

BUT I CAN DEFINITELY GUARANTEE.

BUT THE SITUATION WHERE NOW IS A MANIFESTATION OF MARKETS THAT CANNOT BE SOLVED BY MARKET-BASED SOLUTION.

TAKING WITH YOU FOR A SECOND ON WHITE HOMEOWNERSHIP IS THE FOCUS OF ECONOMIC SUPPORT FOR RECOVERY.

WHY?

WHY NOT SOMETHING ELSE, JOHN?

SO THIS IS THE THING WE THINK ABOUT HOME OWNERSHIP, HOMES.

OUR THOUGHT ABOUT AS AN INVESTMENT, RIGHT?

IT'S A WAY TO BUILD GENERATIONAL WEALTH.

THAT'S WHAT THAT'S HOW WE THINK ABOUT A HOME RIGHT?

BUT THAT'S BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN MARKET POISON.

WE THINK OF A HOME WAS A WAY TO MAKE MONEY, RIGHT, THAT WE CAN PASS ON OTHER PEOPLE AS OPPOSED WHAT IT SHOULD BE IS A PLACE WITH WOLF OF WHERE THEY CAN LIVE, BUT THEY CAN BUILD LIVES WHERE THEY CAN PARTICIPATE RIGHT IN SOCIETY.

SO EVEN IF YOU WANT, QUOTE-UNQUOTE, BUILDING REAL WEALTH, YOU'RE A RENTER, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO PARTICIPATE IN SOCIETY.

SO WE SHOULD START WITH THE WITH BUT CORE PROPOSITION THAT THE PARISH STARTING WITH THE NEWS.

HOW CAN I CREATE A SYSTEM?

THAT MEETS THE NEEDS OF THOSE WHO ARE LOCKED OUT OF THE EXISTING MARKET.

BECAUSE IF WE DID THAT, IT WOULD LOWER THE COST OF HOUSING FOR EVERYONE.

SO TED, BUILT INTO THIS PLAN IS A 40 BILLION-DOLLAR INNOVATION FUND THAT'S SUPPOSED TO INCENTIVIZE THE CONSTRUCTION OF NEW HOMES BY SUPPORTING HOUSING SUPPLY SOLUTIONS, EXPANDING TAX CREDITS FOR AFFORDABLE RENTAL UNITS.

WOULD THAT BE A GOOD PUSH FOR THE PRIVATE HOUSING INDUSTRY TO START BUILDING MORE HOMES?

YES, AND SO I WANT TO SAY ONE THING.

I THINK, DON, I WOULD AGREE THAT THERE IS BIT A BIT OF A HOUSING CRISIS THAT PRICES HAVE GONE UP A LOT.

AND THAT'S LOCKING A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT.

AND I THINK ACROSS THE COUNTRY WE HAVE MASSIVE SHORTFALL.

THAT SAID THE QUESTION IS HOW DO YOU FIX IT?

AND THE QUESTION IS, YOU START SPENDING MORE A FEW CERTAIN TAX CREDITS TAX, BUT MEANS MORE SPENDING BY THE GOVERNMENT.

I WOULD ARGUE THAT THERE'S SOME SOME VERY BASIC THINGS THAT WE MUST DO IN CHICAGO THAT THAT WE DO POORLY.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TOO MANY REGULATIONS.

I WHEN YOU PUT TOO MANY REGULATIONS BUILD ON BUILDING A HOUSE, NO, I THINK YOU YOU PROBABLY AGREE WITH ME.

THE MORE REGULATIONS PUT ON BUILDING A HOUSE, THE MORE YOU INCREASE THE COST, THE HARDER IT IS FOR THE PEOPLE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT POLICE AND WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

BECAUSE PEOPLE SAY REGULATIONS LIKE IT'S SOME SORT OF MAGIC US.

WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY REGULATION?

WELL, THERE'S DIFFERENT REGULATIONS LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU CAN USE THIS AMOUNT OF LAND TO BUILD ON IN THIS AND THAT YOU CAN'T BUILD ON, FOR EXAMPLE, OR ZONING, FOR EXAMPLE, IMAGINE IF HIS OWN MORE AREAS OF CHICAGO FOR MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING, BUT WYDEN, BUT BECAUSE THEN YOU COULD BUILD I'M JUST SAYING YOU CAN BUILD MORE HOUSING TRUE, BUT IT COULD BE BUT BUT THE WAY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REGULATIONS AND ZONING, IT'S NOT LIKE THE WAY THAT PEOPLE TALK ABOUT IS THAT REGULATION INCREASE COSTS AND THAT THEREFORE SLOWS DOWN HOUSING.

THAT'S ON IT ALL THE THINGS THAT WE CANNOT BUILD OUR WAY OUT OF THIS.

YOU JUST DON'T BUILD MORE HOUSING BECAUSE IF YOU BUILD MORE HOUSING IN A MARKET SYSTEM, YOU STILL JUST GOING TO CREEP ON THE OUTSIDE.

BUT I THINK THERE'S 2 DIFFERENT DISCUSSIONS, RIGHT?

THERE'S THERE'S HOUSING IN GENERAL.

THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE KIND OF HOUSING, EVEN MIDDLE MIDDLE CLASS, MIDDLE INCOME FAMILIES ARE BEING LOCKED OUT BECAUSE OF THE PRICE.

BUT THAT'S A MINUTES.

I'M GOING THRUST INTO POSITION, RIGHT?

AND I'M SORRY WE HAVE A PROBLEM BECAUSE WE GET WALKING OUT TOO MANY PEOPLE, ORDINARY PEOPLE, NOT JUST THE POOR PEOPLE.

NOW THE POOR PEOPLE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE LOW-INCOME AND STRUGGLING THERE.

THEY REALLY DO NEED TO BE HELPED A CERTAIN WAY AND THEIR SPECIAL WAYS TO HELP THEM.

BUT WHAT WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL OF IS NOT TO TO TRY TO DO EVERYTHING TO THE MARKET WHERE WE MESS WITH THE MARKET AND THEN WE WILL HAVE A TALK ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT MIDDLE-CLASS WHAT'S REALLY HAPPENING IS WE HAVE A CONCENTRATION OF WEALTH THAT HAS REACHED THE POINT WHERE PEOPLE WITH SO MUCH MORE DISPOSAL WELL CAN DO THINGS LIKE BUY.

BLOCKS OF REAL ESTATE.

AND SO WE'RE SEEING A THING WITH THOSE LIKE HIGH INCOME RENTAL THAT ARE BEING MANAGED BY SLUMLORDS.

AND SO NOW LIKE PEOPLE WHO ARE LIKE 2 INCOME COUPLES WHO HAVE $100,000 APIECE ARE GETTING A TASTE OF WHAT IT MEANS OF A LANDLORD WHOSE FROM LIKE CANADA OR SOME HUGE CORPORATION WHO IS TREATING THEM TO LIKE BROKEN TOILETS.

THEY'RE GETTING A CHANCE TO TASTE THAT.

WE'VE GOT TO BRING UP CONCENTRATION OF THAT DOESN'T MAKE A DISCUSSION FOR ANOTHER DAY BECAUSE I THINK OUR FRIENDS AT SO THEY'VE DONE IN JUST VISIT AND INJUSTICE.

WATCH DONE A LOT OF REPORTING ON THIS AND THE PROBLEMS WITH RENTAL HOUSING BUT I WANT TO GET TO ONE THING BECAUSE I WANT TO KEEP GOING KEEP THIS ON THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.

IF WE CAN.

TRUMP REVIEW PART OF HIS HOUSING PLAN AND HIS ECONOMIC PLAN AT A RALLY IN RACINE EARLIER THIS SUMMER.

HERE'S WHAT HE SAID.

I WILL ALSO STOP INFLATION BY STOPPING THE INVASION RAPIDLY REDUCING HOUSING BECAUSE YOU KNOW THAT TAKING TELLS.

ALL NOT A WHOLE LOT OF TIME LEFT, BUT HAD SOME COMMUNITIES FEEL THAT THE ARRIVAL OF OUR ASYLUM SEEKERS IS EXACERBATING THE CITY'S PREEXISTING HOUSING CRISIS.

DO YOU THINK CLOSING THE BORDER WILL HELP INCREASE THE AVAILABLE AFFORDABLE HOUSING WILL LOOK AT?

I'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME LOOKING AT THE BLACK UNEMPLOYMENT CHICAGO, HIGHEST IN THE COUNTRY.

POVERTY RATE SECOND HIGHEST IN THE COUNTRY.

YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T SAY YOU WANT TO SOLVE A PROBLEM LIKE HOUSING WHEN AT THE SAME TIME YOU HAVE AN OPEN BORDER WHERE WHERE?

THESE ARE POOR PEOPLE NEED THINGS.

BUT WE'RE INVITING A BUNCH OF PEOPLE CHICAGO WHO DON'T HAVE THE INCOME, DON'T HAVE THE MEANS TAP AND THEY'RE THEY'RE ABLE TO TAKE SOME OF THE HOUSING THAT WOULD ORDINARILY GO TO TO OUR RESIDENTS, THOSE IN NEED.

THAT'S NOT WHAT'S HAPPENING.

THAT'S JUST NOT RIGHT.

MEANS TO TO YOU, DON, IS THAT THE CASE OR ASYLUM SEEKERS MEETING?

THESE ARE THE HOUSING AVAILABILITY DRIVING A GRAY, 2 DIFFERENT CRIES OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE.

THESE ARE 2 DIFFERENT CRISIS BEFORE THE FIRST ASYLUM SEEKER EVER SHOWED UP.

DID HAVE AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

THE CITY, CHICAGO, RIGHT?

BECAUSE IT HAVE THE RESOURCES.

WE HAVE THE RESOURCES TO HOUSE EVERYONE.

SO LET'S LET'S MAKE THIS.

LET'S MAKE THIS VERY CLEAR.

HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU HEARD ABOUT THE UKRAINIAN CRISIS FOR HOUSING?

OR THE ETHIOPIAN CRISIS FOR HOUSES?

SOUNDS LIKE ANOTHER NEEDS TO KNOW ALSO.

HEARD ABOUT WHAT I DO.

I CAN'T HOLD ONTO I DO HAVE TO READ BY APOLOGIZING TO YOU, I WASN'T INTENDED RESCUE.

THANKS FOR JOINING US.

AND WE'RE BACK TO WRAP THINGS UP RIGHT AFTER THIS.

STORIES ABOUT CHICAGO.

HOME OWNERSHIP ARE SUPPORTED BY FUNDING FROM THE CHICAGO COMMUNITY.

TRUST.

LOVE A GOOD DISCUSSION CHICAGO TONIGHT.

THAT'S OUR SHOW FOR TONIGHT.

JOIN US TOMORROW NIGHT AT 5, 30 10 MEET A LOCAL ACTIVIST WHO TOOK THE STAGE AT THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL CONVENTION.

AND HOW A LOCAL BUSINESS OWNER IS HELPING SCHOOLS GET BILINGUAL BOOKS.

NOW FOR ALL OF US HERE AT CHICAGO TONIGHT, BLACK VOICES.

I'M BRANDIS FRIEDMAN TO HEALTHY AND SAFE GOOD NIGHT.

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