GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO CHICAGO TONIGHT'S BLACK VOICES.

THANKS FOR SHARING PART OF YOUR WEEKEND WITH US.

>> ON THE SHOW.

>> SOUTH SIDE RED LINE COMMUTERS ARE LEFT WITHOUT A PLOT.

>>> CONTROVERSY AND CONCERN AS THE CHICAGO POLICE DEPARTMENT IS SET TO BRING BACK A SYSTEM THAT WOULD TRACK RESIDENTS THAT IS BELIEVED TO BE GANG MEMBERS.

>>> A SOUTH SUBURB THIS HOT WATER OR LACK THERE OF.

WHY ROBIN, ILLINOIS IS SEEING WATER SUPPLY ISSUES AND WHAT IT'S MAYOR IS SUPPOSED TO DO ABOUT IT.

>>> AND TWO CRITICS TEAM UP, ASK QUESTIONS WHO IS THE CITY FOR?

>>> ALL THAT COMING UP.

OUR FIRST STORY TONIGHT QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS OVER CHICAGO'S GANG DATA BASE SYSTEM RIGHT AFTER THIS.

CHICAGO TONIGHT BLACK VOICES.

CHICAGO POLICE DEPARTMENT OFFICIALS ARE ATTEMPTING TO BRING BACK A SYSTEM THAT WOULD TRACK CHICAGOANS THEY BELIEVE TO BE MEMBERS OF GANGS.

IT IS NOT WITHOUT CONTROVERSY AND PUSH BACK.

THAT IS BECAUSE THE CITY'S INSPECTOR GENERAL CRITICIZED C PD'S LAST GANG DATA BASE AS AS BEING RIDDLED WITH ERRORS AND TARGETING LATINOS AND BLACKS.

WE ALSO REACHED OUT TO THE CHICAGO BLESS DEPARTMENT TO JOIN US FOR THIS DISCUSSION BUT THEY DID NOT RESPOND FOR THIS.

THEY DID HOWEVER GIVE US A STATEMENT LATE LAST MONTH WHICH WE WILL GET TO IN A MINUTE.

THANKS TO THE THREE OF YOUR FOR JOINING US.

LET'S START WITH YOU, PLEASE.

WHAT WERE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THE OLD DATA BASE AND HOW IT WAS USED?

>> THE CHALLENGES HI IS SOME OF THE ERRORS THAT WERE INVOLVED WERE INDIVIDUALS WERE LISTED THAT WERE ACTUALLY DEAD.

SO, NOT ONLY WAS IT BASED ON FOR INFORMATION THAT WAS IN IT, IT WAS INCORRECT BECAUSE SOME OF THE INDIVIDUALS THAT WERE GANG MEMBERS WERE INDEED INDIVIDUALS WHO HAD WENT THROUGH THE SYSTEM BUT ACTUALLY HAD AND NOW THEY ARE BEING TARGETED FOR THINGS THAT THEY ARE DONE IN THEIR PAST.

THAT IS WHY IT SHOULD BECOME PROBLEMATIC IN OUR COMMUNITY.

>> WHAT WERE SOME OF THE CONCERNS?

>> PRETTY MUCH WHAT HE MENTIONED.

YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTUALLY NOT GANG MEMBERS.

YOU HAVE DUPLICATE NAMES.

SO IDENTIFICATION NUMBER ISSUES AND FRANKLY JUST THE IDEA THAT PEOPLE ARE INNOCENT, CONSTITUTION IS SUPPOSED TO BE A SHIELD TO PROTECT AND UPHOLD OF PEOPLE'S RIGHTS.

LOOKS LINE THAT DOES NOT NECESSARILY COUNT WHEN IT COMES TO THE DATA BASE.

WE DO HAVE DATA BASES.

WE MAINTAIN THEM FOR SEX OFFENDERS, VIOLENT OFFENDERS.

NOW THERE IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT CATEGORY THAT IS VERY PROBLEMATIC.

>>.

>> I SPENT TIME AS A LITIGATION SPECIALIST AND I REMEMBER INDIVIDUALS PICTURED WITH SOME YOUNG COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND THIS PHOTO WAS USED AND SAID THEY WERE AFFILIATED WITH A GANG.

IT TURNS OUT IT WASN'T TRUE.

AND THIS HAD GONE ON MUCH LONGER THAN WE WANTED AND THAT INDIVIDUAL WOULD HAVE HAD LONGER SENTENCING .

IT HAS WIDESPREAD INACCURACIES AND IT IS NOT REALLY ON MISCONDUCT ON -- IT IS MORE CENTERED ON WHAT SOMEONE LOOKS LIKE.

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>> ARE GANGS A SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH DRIVER OF CRIME IN CHICAGO THAT THE POLICE COULD MAKE A CASE THAT THIS SORT OF CAT BASE IS NECESSARY TO DO THEIR JOB?

>> IF YOU THINK ABOUT MOST OF THE CRIMES ARE PARTICULARLY VIOLENT CRIME.

VIOLENT CRIMES OCCUR BECAUSE OF A PERSONAL CONFLICT, NOT BECAUSE OF ASSOCIATION WITH A PARTICULAR GROUP OR A SOCIAL NORM.

THERE IS TWO INDIVIDUALS THAT MAY HAVE A PROBLEM AND DON'T HAVE PROBLEM SOLVING SKILLS IN THE WAY TO RESOLVE NIT A POSITIVE WAY.

SO CREATING A DATA BASE ONLY TARGETS INDIVIDUALS FROM A PARTICULAR CLASS OF PEOPLE AND PUTS THEM IN A PARTICULAR SITUATION WHERE THEY MIGHT BE CRIMINALIZED FOR US JUST J LIVING IN A PARTICULAR AREA.

BECAUSE ALMOST EVERY ONE THAT WAS IN THE GANG DATA BASE LIVED IN SOCIOECONOMIC CHALLENGES NEIGHBORHOODS.

IT IS CRIMINALIZING PEOPLE FOR WHERE THEY LIVE.

>> JUST FOR CLARITY, HOW ARE POLICE -- HOW WOULD POLICE USE THIS DATA BASE?

>> ONE OF THE WAYS THEY COULD USE IT IS A LAW THAT MOST PEOPLE DON'T TALK ABOUT WHICH IS CONSPIRACY.

CONSPIRACY IS KNOWING OR BEING ASSOCIATED WITH OR RELATED TO AN INDIVIDUAL AND ALLOWS YOU TO GROUP INDIVIDUALS TOGETHER FOR ONE CRIME AS OPPOSED TO THE INDIVIDUAL THAT ACTUALLY COMMITTED THE CRIME.

YOU CAN SEE INDIVIDUALS BE INCARCERATED AT HIGH LEVELS JUST FOR BEING ASSOCIATED WITH ANOTHER GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS AND WE HAVE SEEN THAT SINCE 1994.

NOT ONLY AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL BUT AT THE STATE LEVEL.

CHICAGO HAS BEEN DOING ACTS WHICH WE CALL RECALL, TAKING GROUPS OF INDIVIDUALS AND INCARCERATING THEM TO TRY TO LITIGATE SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THEY ARE HAVING.

>> HOW COMMON IS THE USE OF DATA BASES AND DATA COLLECTION?

>> IT IS VERY COMMON.

IF YOU ARE A FELON, YOU WILL TURNOVER YOUR DNA INTO A DNA DATA BASE.

IF YOU ARE A SEX OFFENDER YOU WILL ALSO BE PART OF THE DATA BASE.

WE HAVE MULTIPLE DATA BASES NEAR ILLINOIS.

HOWEVER, THOSE ARE FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE GUILTY.

THOSE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN THROUGH THE SYSTEM.

EVEN IN PEOPLE IN DATA BASES WHO HAVE BEEN FOUND TO BE WRONGFULLY CONVICTED ARE HAVING A HARD TIME GETTING OUT OF THE DATA BASE.

I AM HAVE CURIOUS AS TO WHAT THE NEXT STEP IS BETWEEN GATHERING THE DATAER TO GANG DATA BASE AND ALSO HOW THIS WILL REDUCE CRIME.

I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING THAT WOULD EXPLAIN IT.

MY OTHER ISSUE IS WITH THE RATE OF GANG ACTIVITY WE ARE GOING ON IN THE SOUTH WITH A MICRO-GANG WE CALL MOBS NOW THAT ARE SMALL AND OPERATING VERY, VERY SMALL GEO GRAPHIC AREAS, THE DATA BASE THAT WE HAVE IS AMONG OUTDATE FUNCTIONS AND ARE THE TECHNOLOGY.

THERE ARE MORE QUESTIONS THAN I AM COMFORTABLE WITH.

>> THE POLICE HAVE SAID ONE REASON THEY NEED THIS RESOURCE IS TO NOTIFY PEOPLE WHO MIGHT BE THE BE AT RISK OF RETALIATION OF GANG MEMBERS.

DOES THAT CONCERN YOU AT ALL?

>> I BELIEVE THAT THE DATA BASE SHOULD GO AWAY.

I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IT SHOWS IN TERMS OF REDUCING CRIME OR EVEN KEEPING COMMUNITIES SAFE.

I ALSO BELIEVE THAT THE DATA BASE IN TERMS OF JUST STOPPING RETALIATION, RIGHT, I THINK WE -- I HOW DO WE BEGIN TO SEE HOW CAN -- ON THE FRONT END RATHER THAN ON RESPONSE.

>> AS YOU MENTION A SPOKESPERSON DID GIVE A STATEMENT ABOUT THIS.

THE STATEMENT READS, QUOTE, THIS REQUIRED EXTENSIVE VETTING OF PREVIOUSLY COLLECTED DATA TO ENSURE ALL INFORMATION BEING INPUT IN IS ACCURATE RELATED TO THE MORE ROBUST STEPS AND CRITERIA.

THEY SAID THEY HAVE A THINK SYSTEM TIGHTENING UP HOW A PERSON IS SEEN AND OFFERING A WAY FOR PEOPLE TO APPEAL BEING ON THE LIST.

DO YOU THINK THESE ARE ENOUGH TO CHANGE YOUR OPIATE ALL?

>> NOT AT ALL.

WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT OUR CITY IS GOING THROUGH WE NEED SOMETHING THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO ADDRESS THE ROOT CAUSES IN OUR COMMUNITY WHICH IS LACK OF THIS SAYSMENT AND THE LACK OF RESOURCES.

OTHER WAYS TO COMBAT IT IS -- >> SORRY.

YOU HAVE A TICKLE IN YOUR THROAT?

WE WILL GET YOU SOME WATER.

>> A WAY TO ADDRESS, UM, COMMUNITIES THAT SUFFER FROM STRUCTURAL VIOLENCE.

THAT IS NOT ACT.

ANOTHER THING I WANT TO SAY AS MY COLLEAGUE SPOKE ABOUT EARLIER WITH MANY OF THE GANGS ALREADY BEING DECEMBER DECONSTRUCTED, HOW CAN WE A IDENTIFY WHO IS ASSOCIATED WITH A GANG OR WHO IS NOT?

>> THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

THANK YOU.

>>> OF COURSE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR C PD'S GANG DATA BASE SYSTEM DRAFT POLICY WILL CLOSE ON DECEMBER 3RD.

YOU CAN FIND MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT ON OUR WEBSITE.

>>> ABOUT THREE OUT OF EVERY FOUR PARK AND RIDE SPACES ARE ON THE -- THAT IS ACCORDING TO THE OWN NUMBERS.

FOR THOSE WHO LIVE AND RIDE THE TRAINS ON THE SOUTH SIDE, OPTIONS ARE FEWER.

THAT LEAVES SOME COMMUTERS MAKING A DIFFICULT DECISION.

PARK ILLEGALLY RISKING A TICKET OR HAVING TO DRIVE ALL THE WAY DOWNTOWN.

THEY HAVE BEEN LOOKING INTO THIS ISSUE.

>> ON A RECENT MORNING DAN RYAN JAMMED WITH TRAFFIC -- >> IF YOU COULD, WOULD YOU PARK HERE?

>> YEAH.

>> HAS THERE EVER BEEN PARKING HERE?

>> NEVER.

NEVER.

NOT SINCE I HAVE BEEN COMING AROUND HERE, NO.

>> HOW LONG?

>> FOR.

>> THE 95TH STREET STATION IS THE FIRST CHANCE FOR SOUTHSIDERS TO HOP A TRAIN DOWNTOWN.

>> TO YOU WISH YOU COULD PARK AND RIDE HERE IN.

>> YES, I WOULD.

IT IS KIND OF DIFFICULT.

>> MARVIN SAID HE HAS BEEN USING THE STATION FOR 30 YEARS.

>> HAVE SO YOU HAVE NEVER HAD PARKING?

>> NEVER.

>> NO LAUGHING MATTER.

>> THIS IS IN THE HEART OF THE GRIP AMERICAN COMMUNITY WHERE RESOURCES HAVE BEEN NEGLECTED AND IT IS NOT A PRIORITY FOR THE PTA.

>> THERE ARE 18CTA PARK AND RIDE LOTS IN CHICAGO INCLUDING LOTS FOR THE BLUE LINE RUNNING FROM O'HARE AND THE ORANGE PHONE LINE DOWNTOWN TO MIDWAY.

AT THE HOWARD STREET STATION IN THE FAR NORTH END OF THE RED LINE, CTA RIDERS CAN CHOOSE FROM 592 STATIONS.

>> -- >> THE RED LINE TRAVELS 21 MONTHS FROM LINCOLN PARK INTO THE SUBWAY THROUGH DOWNTOWN AND ENDING UP AT 95TH STREET.

ALONG THAT LINE FROM THE NORTH SIDE TO THE SOUTH SIDE THERE IS NOT A SINGLE OTHER PARK AND RIDE.

IN 2019 THE CTA COMPLETED A $280 MILLION OVERHAUL OF THE STATION IN 96.

THE I COME IN AND I OFTEN EVER OFTEN PARK HERE 87TH STREET.

I KNOW WHERE I CAN PARK AFTER 11:00 A.M.

SO.

I DON'T GO ILLEGAL.

YOU FIND YOURSELF RISKING IT.

>> JOE A REGULAR RED LINE RIDER, IS A DEPAUL UNIVERSITY PROFESSIONER AND A NATIONALLY KNOWN SPECIALIST ON PUBLIC POLICY AND TRANSPORTATION.

>> THERE ARE EQUITY ISSUES HERE.

I THINK WHAT IS DRIVING THE INEQUITY IN SOME WAY SOCIAL S IS THE BLUE LINE EXTENSION TO O'HARE.

JUST EXCELLENT LARGE PARKING FACILITY THERE AND A COME PROBABLE EFFORT WASN'T MADE SOUTH TO UPGRADE THOSE LINES TO GIVE THE FOLKS IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS THOSE KIND OF PARK AND RIDE ACCESS.

>> HE SAID THE SCARCITY OF PARKING INDICATES THE CITY WIDE LACK OF EMPHASIS ON TRANSIT PARKING OPTIONS.

>> I THINK BIGGEST DISAPPOINTMENT IS WE HAVE ONE OF THE BUZZ YIS RAPID TRANSIT LINES IN THE COUNTRY WHICH IS THE RED LINE WHICH EVERYBODY KNOWS AND USES.

WE DON'T HAVE A WELL PLACED SYSTEM OF PARK AND RIDES.

>> THE LOT THE CTA HAS, PAIL IN COMPARISON.

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>> I LIKE THE OTHER ONE.

YOU ARE RIGHT OFF EXWAYS.

THAT IS BECOMING THE STATE OF THE PRACTICE.

>> A OF MAJOR U.S. CITIES CHICAGO RANKS EIGHT OUT OF NINE.

FOR INSTANCE, FIGURES SHOW BOSTON HAS 100 PARK AND RIDE LOTS COMPARED TO CHICAGO WITH JUST 18.

AND IN WASHINGTON D.C., THAT CITY HAS TEN TIMES THE NUMBER OF PARK AND RIDE SPACES AS DOES CHICAGO'S CTA.

THE CTA DID NOT AGREE TO AN ON CAMERA INTERVIEW.

INSTEAD, WRITING IN AN E-MAIL, MOST QUOTE PARK AND RIDE LOTS ARE BELOW CAPACITY.

AND, QUOTE T , THE GOAL IS TO GET PEOPLE OUT OF AUTOMOBILES WHICH IS WHY THEY DON'T BUILD MANY PARKING LOTS.

THERE IS ONE MORE ISSUE WE FOUND WHEN IT COMES TO THE POSSIBILITY OF PARK AND RIDES AT 95TH STREET.

>> THEMTY LOT ACROSS THE STREET, THEY COULD MAKE IT A PARKING LOT.

>> A PARKING LOT WOULD BE GATES AT 95TH STREET TERMINAL.

THAT IS THE PERFECT SPOT.

>> BUT YOU DON'T SEE ONE?

>> NO.

YOU CAN ASK ALL THE CONSTRUCTION AND BEAUTIFUL STATIONS OF IT, THEY STILL DIDN'T DO IT.

>> TAKE A RIDE ON GOOGLE EARTH AND YOU WILL SEE ADJACENT TO THE END OF THE LINE AT 95TH STREET TWO VACANT LOTS.

THOSE EMPTY LOTS ARE OWNED BY THE CTA.

>> THEY HAVE ALREADY PURCHASED ALL THESE LOTS.

THEY HAVE CLEARED THEM OUT AND THEY ARE THE ONES THAT IS LEAVING THEM SITTING VACANT TODAY.

>> ROD IRON FENCING SURROUNDS BOTH LOTS.

>> THIS PARK AND RIDE COME K BE DONE IN A MATTER OF WEEKS.

IT HAS ALREADY ALREADY BEEN ACTIVATED AND READY TO GO.

LAND THE HAS BEEN CLEARED.

GIVE THE PEOPLE SOME PLACE TO PARK.

>> AGAIN THAT WAS CAROL REPORTING FROM STUDENTS.

ALDERMAN ACKNOWLEDGES THE ZONING WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE FOR THOSE TWO LOTS BUT HE SAID IF THE CTA WANTS TO BUILD ONE THERE, HE WILL SUPPORT IT.

AND I WANT A QUICK CORRECTION FROM EARLIER.

STAID PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD CLOSES ON DECEMBER 3RD.

THAT IS WRONG, IT IS DECEMBER 7TH.

PUBLIC COMMENT IS OPENED TILL DECEMBER 7TH.

>>> UP NEXT, SUBURBAN WATER WOES.

STAY WITH US.

OVER THANKSGIVING WEEK HUNDREDS OF RESIDENTS THERE WERE LEFT WITHOUT WATER.

THAT WAS JUST ONE OUT OF 23 WATER MAIN BREAKS THE SOUTH SUBURB HAS EXPERIENCED SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR.

THE ISSUE STEMS FROM LONG OVER DUE REPAIRS ON A DECADES OLD WATER SYSTEM.

WE SPOKE WITH THE MAYOR OF ROBINS AND THE VILLAGE TRUSTEE ABOUT WHAT THEY HOPE METERS AND RESIDENTS CAN DO ABOUT THE ISSUE.

>> WELL, THE FIRST SUSTAINABLE ISSUE IS TO KEEP THE WATER ON, RIGHT?

SO WHENEVER THERE IS A WATER MAIN BREAK, WE CALL THEM OUT HERE TO RECTIFY THE PROBLEM.

IT CAN REVAMP THE PROJECT.

IT IS A COMPLETE TOTAL PROJECT.

>> ON THIS THANKSGIVING WE HAD RESIDENTS THAT HAD NO WATER THAT COULD NOT SHOWER OR FLUSH THEIR TOILETS.

THEY ALSO COULDN'T COOK THEIR FOOD.

SO, WE ARE CALLING ON OUR CITIZENS TO HELP US CALL UPON OUR STATE REPRESENTATIVES, LEGISLATORS AND MEMBERS OF CONGRESS.

WE NEED EVERYBODY.

THIS IS BIGGER THAN JUST A ROBINS ISSUE.

>> AGAIN THAT WAS VILLAGE OF ROBINS TRUSTEE TIFFANY ROBINSON AND MAYOR DARREN BRYANT.

THE MAYOR SAID HE AND CONGRESSMAN RUSH EXPECT TO MEET WITH THE EPA IN ABOUT TWO WEEKS TO DISCUSS THE FUTURE OF THE SOUTH SUBURBAN WATER SYSTEM.

THERE ARE MORE DETAILS ON OUR WEBSITE.

>>> WHAT DO YOU GET WHEN YOU PUT TWO OF CHICAGO'S PREIMPLEMENT ARCHITECTURE CRITICS TOGETHER?

A THOUGHT PROVOKING BOOK ABOUT CHICAGO'S ARCHITECTURE AND HOW IT HAS OR HASN'T HELPED BUILD A MORE UNIFIED AND EQUITABLE CITY.

IT IS CALLED WHO IS THE CITY FOR?

WE RECENTLY SPOKE WITH THE AUTHORS.

SHE BEGAN BY ASKING HOW THE TWO CAME TOGETHER TO MAKE THIS BOOK.

>> HE CALLED ME, E-MAILED ME AND SAID WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO THIS?

IT WAS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY.

TO SEE THE CITY AS HE SAW IT AND HE WROTE ABOUT IT.

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>> I WANT TO GET TO AN E ERMS FROM THE BOOK.

YOU WRITE, QUOTE, IS THIS A GOOD CITY A JUST CITY CITY?

ABSOLUTELY NOT.

THE JURY IS HOW CAN ARCHITECTURE AND PLANNING IMPROVE THE TALE OF TWO CITIES NEAR CHICAGO?

>> I WE ARE SEEING AN ATTEMPT TO DO THAT RIGHT NOW BY MAYOR LIGHT FOOT'S ADMINISTRATION.

ONE OF HER SIGNATURE PROGRAMS HAS A MASS $2.2 BILLION IN PRIVATE AND PUBLIC INVESTMENT IN ORDER TO REBUILD THE COMMERCIAL QUARTERS OF TEN COMMUNITY AREAS.

THAT IS A VERY DIFFERENT STRATEGY THAN THE PUBLIC INVESTMENT THAT WENT INTO BUILDING A FAILED PUBLIC HOUSING PROJECTS.

THE PROBLEM FOR LIGHTFOOT HAS BEEN THESE DEVELOPMENTS OF HERS ARE ON PAPER RIGHT NOW.

CONSTRUCTION HASN'T STARTED YET.

THEY DO LOOK GOOD ON PAPER.

THEY ARE VERY INTELLIGENT BASED ON THE PLANS, THE ARCHITECTS.

THEY HAVE A NICE MIX OF MODERN AND HISTORIC BUILDINGS.

THEY MIX USES TO TRY TO MAKE LIVELY STREETS.

SO THERE IS A LOT OF PROMISE THERE.

I THINK THAT HER PLANNING COMMISSIONER REALLY GIVES HER CREDIT FOR PUSHING THINGS FORWARD IN THIS VERY CONSTRUCTIVE WAY.

>> RIGHT.

A CRUCIAL POTENTIAL PUBLIC SPACE OR A SPACE THAT HAS BEEN A PUBLIC SPACE IN THE PAST HAS BEEN THE BOTTOM FOUR, THE JAMES ART COMP CENTER.

NOW GOOGLE'S PURCHASING IT.

DO YOU HAVE HIGH HOPES HERE THAT GOOGLE CAN RE-PURPOSE THAT SPACE INTO A PUBLIC SPACE?

>> YOU KNOW, THEY CERTAINLY SHOULD BUT YOU KNOW THE JURY IS STILL OUT.

I THINK THAT THE TOWN WILL PUSH FOR THAT.

THE BEAUTY OF SAVING THAT BUILDING, IS PRESERVING THAT SPACE ON THE INSIDE.

THE QUESTION IS, WHETHER THAT WILL BE PRESERVED AND IN SOME WAY WE ARE HOPING YES IT SHOULD BE.

AND, HOW YOU DO THAT -- BEFORE 9/11, BEFORE ALL THE MADNESS, YOU COULD WALK INTO ANY LOBBY OF THINK BUILDING YOU WOULD LIKE.

NOW YOU CAN'T DO IT AS MUCH.

HOW DO THEY DO IT?

I -- >> NOW YOU WILL KEEP THE PRESSURE ON GOOGLE TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

YOU WRITE ABOUT HOW THE PROJECT ON THE SOUTH AND WEST SIDE ARE NOT JUST BEN FISHING FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD BUT FOR THE ENTIRE CITY.

RIGHT NOW ALDER PEOPLE ARE STILL NOT ON BOARD WITH PROVIDING ANY CITY MONEY.

WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU ABOUT THE POLITICAL WOUND HERE TO ENGAGE IN PROJECTS THAT CLOSE THE GAP?

>> I THINK IN SOME CASES THE ALDER MEN ARE TAKING A DISINGENUOUS PERSPECTIVE.

THEY HAVE GOT SOME PROBLEMS WITH IT.

I JUST FIND THAT -- DESPICABLE HONESTLY.

I THINK THIS IS A HUGE PROJECT.

IT IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT PROJECTS.

IT WILL -- IT HAS ALL THESE POTENTIAL BENEFITS.

NOT ONLY FOR ELIMINATING THE TRANSIT DESERT ON THE FAR SOUTH SIDE BUT INCREASING THE TAX BASE AND IMPROVING AIR POLLUTION PROBLEMS, MAKING THE LABOR POOL BETTER FOR DOWNTOWN EMPLOYERS.

THERE IS ENORMOUS BENEFITS THAT WOULD COME TO THE WHOLE CITY.

THE ARGUMENT IS JUST UTTERLY BASELESS IN MY VIEW.

THIS GETS TO THE CORE ISSUE OF THE BOOK, WHO IS THE CITY FOR?

WHO GETS WHAT?

WHO GETS TREATED FAIRLY AND WHO DOESN'T?

AND IF THIS PROJECT DOESN'T GO FORWARD, IT WILL BE A TRAGEDY AND A TRAVESTY FOR THE CITY OF CHICAGO.

>> ALL RIGHT.

IT IS GREAT TO BE SEE BOTH OF YOU COME TOGETHER AND WRITE THIS BOOK.

GREAT LINES ON ARCHITECTURE.

WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE.

THANKS SO MUCH.

>> THANK YOU.

IT IS GREAT TO BE WITH YOU.

>> YOU CAN READ AN EXCERPT ON OUR WEBSITE.

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