>> I'M ERIN, THANKS FOR JOINING US ON A SPECIAL EDITION CHICAGO TONIGHT.

BLACK VOICES.

I'M BRANDIS FRIEDMAN TONIGHT IS THE LATEST IN OUR SERIES WTW NEWS.

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>> WE'RE DEVOTING OUR ENTIRE PROGRAM TO THE ISSUES OF PUBLIC AND COMMUNITY SAFETY.

WE WILL ALSO BE PRIORITIZING PUBLIC SAFETY IN OUR ONLINE COVERAGE AS WELL AS AT W T TW DOT COM SLASH SAFER CITY.

ON TONIGHT'S PROGRAM.

>> YOU SHOTS AND I'VE SEEN.

WHAT HAPPENS.

I SEEN THAT IT >> AFTER A HEATED DEBATE, THE CITY COUNCIL BACKS A MEASURE TO KEEP THE CONTROVERSIAL SHOT-SPOTTER TECHNOLOGY.

AND OUTGOING COOK COUNTY STATE'S ATTORNEY KIM FOXX PITCHES A NEW POLICY FOR GUN AND DRUG CHARGES TIED TO TRAFFIC STOPS.

>> WE KICK OFF THOSE CONVERSATIONS NEXT.

IS NOT A COMMITTED.

>> CHICAGO TONIGHT BLACK VOICES IS MADE POSSIBLE IN PART BY THE SUPPORT OF THESE DONORS.

CHICAGO.

TONIGHT'S COVERAGE OF PUBLIC SAFETY IS SUPPORTED BY THE SOO LEE CHARITABLE FOUNDATION INITIATIVE FOR REDUCING VIOLENCE IN CHICAGO.

>> THE CHICAGO CITY COUNCIL VOTED 34 TO 14 WEDNESDAY TO ENDORSE AN EFFORT TO OVERTURN MAYOR BRANDON JOHNSON'S DECISION TO SCRAP THE CITY'S USE OF SHOTSPOTTER.

THE VOTE CAME AFTER AN INTENSE DEBATE OVER THE GUNSHOT DETECTION SYSTEM.

HERE'S ALDERMAN DAVID MOORE DEFENDING THE ORDER HE SPONSORED FROM CRITICISM LAUDED HIM BY ALDERMAN JASON ERVIN.

>> WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT SOMETHING.

BUT ONE PIECE OF TECHNOLOGY AND AGAIN, THIS GOODNESS, IT IS A LITTLE YOU WANT TO CALL.

DOESN'T DO A THING TO GET US SO AGAIN, THIS IS ABOUT HIM IN.

>> ALL THE MEN YOU'RE OUT OF ORDER.

ALDERMAN.

THAT MORE.

YOU'RE OUT OF ORDER, >> OKAY.

SO THAT WAS FIRST ALDERMAN JASON ERVIN.

BEN, YOU HEARD ALDER DAVID MOORE TRYING TO DEFEND HIS HIS MEASURE.

WTW NEWS REPORTER HEATHER SHARON JOINS US NOW WITH MORE.

HEATHER, AN INTERESTING LET'S START WITH WHAT EXACTLY THIS ORDER WOULD DO.

>> WELL, ALDERMAN DAVID MOORE SAYS IT WOULD BASICALLY DO 2 THINGS.

ONE, IT WOULD REQUIRE THE CHICAGO POLICE DEPARTMENT TO START COLLECTING MORE DATA ABOUT HOW SHOTSPOTTER ACTUALLY WORKS.

IT WOULD ALSO REQUIRE A CITY COUNCIL VOTE IF THE SHOTSPOTTER SYSTEM IS REMOVED FROM EVERY WAR.

AND NOW THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER THIS ORDER IS ACTUALLY LEGAL OR ENFORCEABLE.

BUT IN ANY CASE, TODAY'S VOTE WAS A DISTINCT REBUKE OF MAYOR BRANDON JOHNSON WHO HAD ASKED THE CITY COUNCIL NOT TO APPROVE THIS MEASURE.

AND AS HE SAID, HE CANCELED SHOTSPOTTER.

THIS IS AN INDICATION THAT TWO-THIRDS OF THE CITY COUNCIL DISAGREES ON SOME LEVEL WITH THAT DECISION.

>> KNOW SEVERAL BLACK OLDER PEOPLE APPEARED SERIOUS, HEATHER, THAT THE CITY COUNCIL CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS WOULD EVEN SUPPORT A PLAN TO REMOVE A TOOL THAT THEY BELIEVED TO BE AFFECTED IN CRIME FIGHTING IN THEIR LET'S LISTEN TO 24TH WARD ALDERPERSON MONIQUE SCOTT.

I'M SO DISAPPOINTED AND SO MANY OF YOU.

I AM DISAPPOINTED.

>> I HAD ANOTHER MASS SHOOTING.

I HAVE TO LEAVE HERE AND GO TO.

AN OPERATION FOR MEGA MASS SHOOTING.

THIS IS THE MASS SHOOTING THAT IPAD SAYS BEING AN ODD ONE.

SO I THANK ALL OF YOU.

I THINK I THINK EVERYONE WHO VOTED.

I THANK YOU.

THIS IS SOMETHING MY COMMUNITY NEEDS.

>> HEATHER, HOW ABOUT THAT IS ALDERWOMAN SCOTT, RIGHT?

DUE TO PEOPLE BELIEVE THE SHOTSPOTTER ACTUALLY DOES STOP GRANT.

>> WELL, IT DEPENDS ON HOW YOU DEFINE FIGHTS CRIME FOR MANY OLDER PEOPLE.

IT'S JUST COMMON SENSE THAT IF YOU HAVE A SYSTEM THAT TELLS THE POLICE WHEN THERE ARE GUNSHOTS, THEY CAN GET THERE FASTER AND ADDRESS WHATEVER THE SITUATION IS.

BUT A REPORT FROM CHICAGO'S INSPECTOR GENERAL FOUND THAT 90% OF THE TIME THAT SHOTSPOTTER SENDS THE CPD AND ALERT.

IT IS NOT A BONA FIDE GUNSHOT.

AND ALSO A REPORT FROM COOK COUNTY STATE'S ATTORNEY KIM FOXX, WHO I KNOW WILL BE HEARING FROM HIM A LITTLE BIT SAID THERE'S EVIDENCE THAT THAT SYSTEM LEADS SURE MASKS OR SORT OF HOLDING PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE FOR CRIMES.

SO IT IS VERY MUCH A SITUATION WHERE NOT ONLY DO OLDER PEOPLE DISAGREE ON WHAT TO DO.

THEY DISAGREE ABOUT THE FACTS OF THE MATTER, WHICH IS WHY TODAY'S MEETING WAS SO >> OK, SO THERE ARE OTHER ALL THE PEOPLE, THOUGH, WHO SAY THE SYSTEM ACTUALLY MAKES BLACK AND LATINO CHICAGOANS LESS SAFE.

HERE IS 26 WARD ALDERPERSON JESSE PUENTES.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ON HOW WE TAKE THE SAME MONEY THAT WE GET SHOT.

SPOT IT TO DEVELOP A SYSTEM THAT PREVENTS GUN SHOOTING IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT INVEST IN INFRASTRUCTURE IN OUR COMMUNITY BECAUSE THE REALITY IS IS THAT THE SOUTH AND WEST SIDE COMMUNITIES DON'T HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE KEEP THEIR COMMUNITY SAFE.

THE SAFEST COMMUNITIES IN OUR CITY BENNETT HAVE SHOT SPOTTED.

>> HEATHER, WHAT IS THE ARGUMENT AGAINST SHOTSPOTTER?

>> WELL, THEY POINT TO THE DEATH OF 13 YEAR-OLD ADAM TOLEDO, WHO WAS SHOT BY A CHICAGO POLICE RESPONDING TO A SHOTSPOTTER ALERT.

IT SAYS IT SENDS OFFICERS INTO BLACK AND BROWN COMMUNITIES IN CHICAGO READY TO FIRE, CONCERNED THAT THEY ARE AT RISK AND THAT PEOPLE ARE AT RISK AND THAT IT DOES NOTHING TO PREVENT SORT OF GUNFIRE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

AND THAT WAS THE CENTRAL ARGUMENT.

MAYOR BRANDON JOHNSON MADE IN THE 2023 MAYORAL CAMPAIGN.

ALSO WHY ALDER ALDERMAN FUENTES AND OTHER PROGRESSIVE OLDER PEOPLE RAN ON A PUTS THEM AT ODDS WITH ANOTHER SIGNIFICANT PART OF MAYOR JOHNSON, SPACE, BLACK, OLDER PEOPLE WHO HAVE REPRESENTED WARDS THAT HAVE FACED DECADES OF DISINVESTMENT AND FACE PERSISTENTLY HIGH LEVELS OF CRIME AND VIOLENCE.

>> AND HEATHER, WHAT HAPPENS NEXT?

>> WELL, I ASKED THE MAYOR AFTER THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING IF HE WAS PREPARED TO VETO THE MEASURE WHICH PASSED WITH 34 VOTES.

SO IT'S ALL OF THOSE FOLKS STAY IN PLACE.

THE CITY COUNCIL COULD OVERRIDE ANY VETO, WHICH HAS NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE IN CITY HISTORY.

BUT THE MAYOR SAID THAT THIS MEASURE DOES NOTHING.

IT'S UNLAWFUL.

SHOTSPOTTER REMAINS CANCELED AND THAT HE'S NOT SURE WHY THERE WAS SO MUCH HUBBUB ABOUT THIS MEASURE WHETHER THAT WILL CARRY THE DAY, I THINK IS VERY MUCH AN OPEN QUESTION.

THIS WILL ONLY EMBOLDEN SUPPORTERS OF SHOTSPOTTER WHO WANT TO SEE IT STAY IN CHICAGO'S COMMUNITY.

OK, CONTROVERSY NOT GOING AWAY YET.

HEAD OF OWN AT CITY HALL FOR THANK YOU.

>> AND YOU CAN FULL STORY ON OUR WEBSITE.

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UP NEXT, ONE ON ONE WITH COOK COUNTY STATE'S ATTORNEY KIM FOXX.

BUT FIRST, A LOOK AT THE WEATHER AND COOK COUNTY STATE'S ATTORNEY KIM FOXX WANTS TO CHANGE THE WAY HER OFFICE PROSECUTES CRIME AND DRUG CASES RELATED TO TRAFFIC STOPS.

IT'S AN ISSUE BROUGHT INTO SHARP FOCUS FOLLOWING THE POLICE KILLING OF DEXTER READ IN MARCH AFTER HE WAS PULLED OVER FOR AN ALLEGED SEAT BELT VIOLATION.

STUDY SHOWS CHICAGO POLICE TRAFFIC STOPS DISPROPORTIONATELY TARGET BLACK AND LATINO DRIVERS UNDER FOX'S NEW PROPOSAL, PROSECUTORS WOULD NOT FILE DRUG GUN AND THEFT CHARGES STEMMING FROM AN INITIAL TRAFFIC STOP WHERE THERE WAS NO OTHER PROBABLE CAUSE FOR THE TRAFFIC STOP.

JOINING US NOW WITH MORE ON THAT AND SO MUCH MORE IS COOK COUNTY STATE'S ATTORNEY KIM FOXX.

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THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

OF SO WHAT DO YOU THINK THIS PARTICULAR POLICY IS NECESSARY?

FIRST AND FOREMOST, AS YOU POINTED OUT, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC STOPS, THERE'S BEEN STUDY AFTER STUDY THAT HAS SHOWN.

>> THAT THESE TRAFFIC STOPS, PARTICULARLY IN THE CITY OF CHICAGO, DISPROPORTIONATELY IMPACT BLACK AND LATINO DRIVERS FOR BLACK DRIVERS IN PARTICULAR.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 6 TIMES MORE LIKELY THAN WHITE DRIVERS TO BE PULLED OVER.

AND WE'RE TALKING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF THE STOPS A YEAR.

SO EVEN AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CASES THAT COME TO THE STATE ATTORNEYS OFFICE, THERE'S ONLY ONE ARREST FOR EVERY 1000 OF THESE TRAFFIC STOPS.

AND SO THERE'S VERY SMALL NUMBER OF THESE CASES THAT COME BEFORE US AND WHAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE AREN'T EXPEDITIONS, THAT WE'RE NOT USING TRAFFIC STOPS AS A MEANS TO BE ABLE TO GET INTO PEOPLE'S CARS WITHOUT PROBABLE CAUSE.

AND SO WE BELIEVE THAT THIS TO STEM THE TIDE OF THE STOPS THAT ARE DISPROPORTIONATELY IMPACTING THE BLACK COMMUNITY THAT WE BELIEVE OUR AS A MEANS TO GET AROUND THE CONSTITUTIONAL OBLIGATIONS, CHANGING THE SHIFT IN OUR POLICY, DISINCENTIVIZE THESE TYPES OF STOPS.

AND TO BE CLEAR, THIS IS A PROPOSAL AT THIS POINT, NOT AN EFFECTIVE POLICY.

ABSOLUTELY.

WE HAVE BEEN TALKING FOR SEVERAL MONTHS EVEN BEFORE THE DEATH OF DEXTER READ ABOUT THIS AS THE DATA HAS BORNE OUT OF THE COURSE OF THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS.

AND SO CERTAINLY BEFORE WE IMPLEMENT ANY SUCH POLICY, WE WANT TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT PARTNERS AS WELL AS OTHER STAKEHOLDERS BEFORE IMPLEMENT SO THIS IS JUST A DRAFT.

THESE ARE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'RE STARTING SO THAT WE CAN AS AN OFFICE PLAY A ROLE IN STEMMING THIS EPIDEMIC.

WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S DECISION TO THE CONSENT DECREE TO EXPAND TO INCLUDE TRAFFIC STOPS?

IS THAT SORT OF TACIT ADMISSION THAT THEY BELIEVE THAT THEIR TRAFFIC STOPS?

>> HAVE BEEN A PROBLEM?

FIRST AND FOREMOST, I AND PLEASE TO HEAR A SUPERINTENDENT SNELLING SAY THAT THIS WILL BE A PART OF THE CONSENT DECREE.

>> WHEN THE CONSENT DECREE WAS FIRST ENACTED SEVERAL YEARS AGO, THERE WAS A FOCUS ON STOP AND FRISK ABOUT STOPPING AGAIN.

DISPROPORTIONATELY BLACK AND LATINO RESIDENTS AND PATTING THEM DOWN, ASKING THEM WHAT THEY HAD ON THEM AND WHAT WE SAW WAS A PRECIPITOUS DROP IN STOP AND FRISK.

A INCIDENT AND A DRAMATIC RISE IN TRAFFIC STOPS.

AND SO I THINK THE RECOGNITION THAT WE WERE SUBSTITUTING OR POTENTIALLY SUBSTITUTING ONE UNCONSTITUTIONAL METHOD OF POLICE SAY FOR ANOTHER AND SAYING THAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT ALL OF E'S, I THINK VERY BOLD OF THE CHICAGO POLICE DEPARTMENT.

AND I COMMEND SUPERINTENDENT BROWN FOR DOING WHY WHAT?

WHAT YOUR CONSIDER A POLICY LIKE THIS.

WHY ROLL THIS OUT?

WE'RE OR CONSIDER ROLLING IT OUT NOW WHEN YOU'VE GOT 6 MONTHS ON THE JOB LEFT?

>> CERTAINLY WE WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS BEFORE WE ROLL IT OUT, BUT CERTAINLY THE ISSUE OF RACIAL EQUITY, FAIRNESS AND JUSTICE IS NOT SOMETHING THAT GETS PUT ON THE SHELF SIMPLY BECAUSE I'M LEAVING.

>> I CERTAINLY HOPE THAT WHOEVER MY SUCCESSOR IS UNDERSTANDS AND THAT THIS IS A PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE.

AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT COMMUNITIES THAT FEEL THEY DON'T TRUST POLICE.

YOUR SEGMENT JUST NOW ABOUT SHOTSPOTTER.

THERE'S A WHOLE TECHNOLOGY THAT CREATED BECAUSE PEOPLE AREN'T CALLING THE POLICE.

AND IF WE DON'T RECOGNIZE THAT LACK OF WILLINGNESS TO ENGAGE WITH POLICE IS BECAUSE OF AN ISSUE OF LEGITIMACY AND CREDIBILITY AND HOW THESE TRAFFIC STOPS IMPACT THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE DEBATES ABOUT.

THE LATEST AI TECHNOLOGY.

THIS SUPPLEMENTS, WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING, WHICH IS REBUILDING TRUST IN LAW ENFORCEMENT.

DO YOU THINK THE POLICE KILLING OF DEXTER REED, WHO WE COPA SAYS THAT HE OPENED FIRE FIRST ON POLICE OFFICERS BUT WAS PULLED OVER FOR AN ALLEGED SEAT BELT VIOLATION TO DO YOU THINK THAT PLAYED INTO YOUR YOUR THINKING AT ALL ON THIS?

>> YOU KNOW, AS I SAID, WE STARTED THESE LATE LAST YEAR AND BECAUSE WE'VE SEEN A NUMBER OF REPORTS THAT HAVE COME OUT AT THE ACLU I CAN REPORT YEARS AGO AND PEPPER EQUITY HAD DONE A REPORT.

THE EASY HAD DONE A REPORT.

THERE HAS BEEN A NUMBER OF THE STUDIES.

WHAT WE SAW PLAY WITH THE KILLING OF DEXTER READ AND INJURE OF INJURY TO AN OFFICER WAS THESE TRAFFIC STOPS NOT ONLY AROUND THE LEGITIMACY THAT WE SEE IN IN CERTAIN COMMUNITIES, BUT ALSO THE DANGER OF THEM WERE ASKING POLICE OFFICERS WHO PUT THEIR LIVES ON THE LINE EVERY DAY TO GO INTO SITUATIONS THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE DANGEROUS.

4, 9 SAFETY RELATED ISSUES.

COULD YOUR SUCCESSOR JUST ROLL THIS BACK IF THEY DON'T AGREE WITH THIS PARTICULAR POLICY?

YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY MY SUCCESSOR WILL COME IN AND HAVE THEIR OWN SET OF AND AGENDAS THAT THEY WANT TO ADDRESS.

AGAIN, I THINK THIS ISSUE AS IT HAS BEEN RESEARCHED OWNED.

THE EVIDENCE IS CLEAR FOR YEARS WITH CAN'T SIMPLY SAY THAT WE KNOW WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THESE TYPES OF STOPS AND THEN SAY, WELL, WHAT WE DO.

AND SO CERTAINLY I WOULD HOPE THAT WHOMEVER SITS IN THE SEAT AFTER I LEAVE BELIEVES THAT IT IS A PRIORITY FOR KEEPING OUR COMMUNITY SAFE.

AS YOU MENTIONED, A REPORT FROM IMPACT FOR EQUITY SHOWS APPROXIMATELY 73% OF THE TRAFFIC STOPS MADE BY CHICAGO POLICE OFFICERS IN 2023 WERE PROMPTED BY IMPROPER REGISTRATION OR AN EQUIPMENT VIOLATION.

IN JUST 2.0, 2% OF THOSE STOPS LED TO AN A GUN WAS RECOVERED IN JUST 0.5% OF THOSE HALF A PERCENT.

ACCORDING TO THE REPORT.

>> APPROXIMATELY 4.4% OF THOSE STOPS LEAD TO A CITATION.

WHAT DO YOU THINK NUMBERS TELL I THINK THOSE NUMBERS TELL US THAT THERE IS DISPROPORTIONATE CONTACT.

>> WITH BLACK DRIVERS WITH LATINO DRIVERS.

THEY'VE HEALED NO SAFETY BENEFIT.

YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE THE BENEFIT OF TECHNOLOGY.

WE HAVE LICENSE PLATE READERS, FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE SEE SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T HAVE, FOR EXAMPLE, A STICKER ON THE BACK OF THEIR CAR.

WE CAN ISSUE A TICKET IF SOMEONE HAS A VIOLATION BECAUSE THEY HAVE A BROKEN TAIL WOOD, WHAT IS IT THAT WE'RE GAINING BY ASKING TO SEARCH PEOPLE'S CARS?

WHAT WE ARE SEEING IS THIS BEING USED AS AN EFFORT TO LOOK FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE ARE DANGEROUS.

AND WHAT WE'RE FINDING IS WE'RE NOT FINDING THAT.

BUT WHAT WE ARE DOING, PROFILING COMMUNITIES, PROFILING MEMBERS OF THOSE COMMUNITIES WHO THEN WE'RE ASKING WHEN WE NEED THEM TO HELP US WHY THEY DON'T WANT TO WORK WITH US.

IT HAS A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON PUBLIC SAFETY.

WHAT'S BEEN THE REACTION FROM THE IN YOUR OFFICE HAS THIS HAS THIS GONE?

YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY WE PULL TOGETHER A TEAM OF PROSECUTORS AS WE WERE TALKING THIS THROUGH.

AND AS YOU WOULD WELL IMAGINE, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A CONCERN FOR PROSECUTORS WHO HAVE DONE THIS WORK ABOUT THAT THERE WILL BE THOSE WHO WILL SAY, BUT LISTEN, THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO THIS HAS NETTED A GUNS OR DRUGS.

AND WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THAT?

AND THAT IS A LEGITIMATE CONCERN.

AND THEN THERE ARE OTHERS WHO RECOGNIZE WHO HAVE THEMSELVES BEEN PULLED OVER, WHO HAVE THEMSELVES AS PROSECUTORS.

YOU KNOW, I HAVE AN ASSISTANT WHO WAS WORKING IN OUR FELONY REVIEWING TALKING A COUPLE YEARS AGO ABOUT HOW WHEN SHE WAS LEAVING A POLICE STATION, HAVING LOOKED AT A CASE SHE WAS PULLED OVER AND WHAT THAT DOES.

WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS, PARTICULARLY FROM MEMBERS OF OUR OUR STAFF WHO ARE BLACK, WHO SAID THAT THEY'VE HAD THE CONVERSATION, THE CONVERSATION THAT TALK ABOUT DRIVING WHILE BLACK.

AND SO IT'S BEEN AN INTERESTING DYNAMIC FOR COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE BEEN IMPACTED EVEN AS PROSECUTORS AND THOSE WHO HAVE NOT SEEN THAT PERSONALLY.

BUT OUR CAN CONCERNED ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY AND WE WANT TO INCORPORATE ALL OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS.

I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT ONE ISN'T RIGHT, BUT IT IS WORTH THE CONVERSATION.

I GUESS I'M TRYING TO GET A SENSE OF, YOU KNOW, A SCENARIO WITH AN OFFICER SHOULD PULL SOMEONE OVER FOR A BROKEN TAIL LIGHT OR EXPIRED REGISTRATION.

>> AND THEY HAVE BEEN SPOTTED GUN ON THE BACK SEAT.

WHAT IS YOUR OFFICE?

DO YOU STILL PROSECUTE THAT?

CERTAINLY THEY SO OBVIOUSLY WILL HAVE EXCEPTION.

WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS IS THAT DON'T EVEN TO THE POLL OVER FOR PURPOSES OF SEARCHING A CAR.

>> SO WHAT HAPPENS OF US OF A GUN IS LAYING IN PLAIN SIGHT AND ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE A GUN.

THE OFFICER IN THE COURT TO RULE THAT IF YOU SEE SOMETHING IN PLAIN SIGHT, YOU MAY DO SOMETHING.

WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN A LOT OF THESE INSTANCES, I'VE PULLED YOU OVER FOR A BROKEN TAIL LIGHT AND I'M NOW ASKING TO SEARCH YOUR GLOVE COMPARTMENT.

I'M NOW ASKING TO SEARCH OR TRUCK.

I'M NOW ASKING TO GO INTO THE VEHICLE IF THE INITIAL CAUSE FOR THE STOP WAS A TAIL LIGHT, WHY ARE YOU NOW INITIATING A SEARCH?

AND THE QUESTION THAT WE CAN HAVE AS WELL, A PERSON HAS A RIGHT TO SAY YOU CAN'T SEARCH MY CAR.

MOST PEOPLE IN THAT CIRCUMSTANCE DO NOT WANT TO BE PUT IN A POSITION WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT TO SAY THAT NO, YOU CAN'T.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ELIMINATE.

THIS SEEMS TO ME TO BE SORT OF A SIMILAR STRUGGLE TO WHAT WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT HAPPENING IN CITY COUNCIL THE ARGUMENT OVER SHOTSPOTTER AND SOME PEOPLE SAY WE NEED TO USE EVERY TOOL WE'VE GOT TO COMBAT VIOLENCE.

BUT YOU HOW DO YOU BALANCE THAT?

ALSO WITH SOME OF THE PROGRESSIVE STEPS THAT YOU AND EVEN MAYOR BRANDON JOHNSON ARE TRYING TO TAKE.

>> I THINK WE HAVE TO BE HONEST ABOUT STRATEGY THAT BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY BECAUSE I THINK PART OF THE REASON THAT WE'VE SEEN OVER THE COURSE OVER MY 10 YEAR WHERE WE HAVE VACATED HUNDREDS OF CONVICTIONS WHERE WE HAVE PAID OUT TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN SETTLEMENTS FROM AN ERA WHERE, YOU KNOW, AND THE IN THE LATE 80'S AND EARLY 90'S THAT HOMICIDE RATES WERE SO HIGH THAT THERE WAS A SENSE OF DO ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING THAT YOU CAN TO STOP THIS.

AND THAT MEANT VIOLATING PEOPLE'S CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.

IT MEANT HAVING A JOB OR DETECTIVE GUEVARA BE ABLE TO FLOURISH BECAUSE THEY WERE ABLE TO GET CONVICTIONS.

BUT HOW ARE WE DOING IT?

AND I THINK WE'VE STRUGGLED WITH VIOLENCE COOK COUNTY IN THE CHICAGO AREA.

THE ENTIRETY OF MY LIFE HERE.

AND I THINK WHAT WE HAVE TO BE HONEST ABOUT NOT DOING QUICK FIXES THAT FEEL GOOD IN THE MOMENT THAT ULTIMATELY HAVE LONG LASTING HARM BECAUSE OF THE IMPACT THAT WE HAVE A COMMUNITY BY THE CHOICES THAT WE MAKE.

WHILE WE'RE ON IT.

YOUR REACTION TO WHAT HAPPENED IN IN CITY COUNCIL TODAY WITH 34.

>> ALL THE PEOPLE VOTING TO TO SORT OF KEEP TO KEEP SHOTSPOTTER, THOUGH, I THINK THERE'S SOME QUESTION ABOUT THEIR AUTHORITY THERE.

>> YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS THAT ALDERMAN HAVE PARTICULARLY IN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE IMPACTED BY VIOLENCE WHO HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT THIS IS A TOOL TO HELP THEM COMBAT VIOLENCE.

I UNDERSTAND THAT I WERE AN ELECTED OFFICIAL TO REPRESENT A COMMUNITY LIKE THAT, I WOULD WANT EVERY TOOL AT MY DISPOSAL TO DO THAT.

I THINK THE QUESTION THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IS ALWAYS ANSWERED IS THE EFFICACY OF THE IS THIS TOOL DOING WHAT A TEASE THAT IT IS TELLING YOU ARE BEING TOLD IT DOES.

AND SO I THINK WHAT YOU ARE SEEING PLAY OUT ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE DESPERATE FOR SOLUTIONS IN WHO'VE BEEN TOLD THAT THIS IS A POTENTIAL SOLUTION.

BUT I DO THINK YOU REQUIRES ROBUST CONVERSATION, PARTICULARLY BECAUSE OF THE EXPENSE TO SAY DOES THIS TOOL DO THE THING THAT THE VENDOR, THIS IS A VENDOR PRODUCT THAT THE VENDOR SAYS THAT IT DOES.

AND IF IT DOESN'T, WHAT ARE THE OTHER WAYS THAT WE CAN INVEST THOSE RESOURCES TO KEEP OUR COMMUNITY SAFE AT THE CORE OF SOME OF THESE ISSUES, CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING.

AND AT THE MOMENT, THE CHICAGO POLICE DEPARTMENT'S IN FULL COMPLIANCE WITH JUST 6% OF THE CONSENT DECREES REQUIREMENTS.

>> WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THEIR EFFORTS TO COMPLY WITH THE CONSENT DECREE AND AND HOW THEY'VE GOTTEN AT THIS POINT.

>> CERTAINLY IT IS THE REMINDER THAT THE CONSENT DECREE HAS BEEN IN PLACE FOR 5 YEARS AT THIS POINT.

AND THE REMINDER THAT THAT CONSENT DECREE WAS PUT IN PLACE BECAUSE THERE WAS A FINDING BY THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE OF UNCONSTITUTIONAL POLICING IN POLICING THAT HAD ISSUES RELATED TO RACE.

SO EVEN AS WE HAVE THIS WHOLE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE TRAFFIC STOPS, THERE'S A THAT WE HAD UNCONSTITUTIONAL POLICING IS SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACTED BLACK AND BROWN COMMUNITIES.

WHAT I WILL SAY IS THAT IN THE COURSE OF THE LAST 5 YEARS, WE'VE HAD AT LEAST FOR A DIFFERENT POLICE SUPERINTENDENTS WE'VE HAD AT LEAST 3 MAYORS AND WHEN YOU HAVE THAT MUCH TRANSITION IN LEADERSHIP AT THE TOP, THAT YOU WILL EXPECT TO SEE THAT THINGS MAY NOT BE AS PROGRESSIVE AS YOU WOULD HAVE HOPED.

I AM VERY WITH THIS CURRENT SUPERINTENDENT WHO IS FROM CHICAGO, WHO APPRECIATES NEED FOR REFORM AND SPEAKS ABOUT IT WITH A LEVEL OF AUTHORITY THAT THIS IS A PRIORITY.

BUT CERTAINLY THERE IS AN THAT PEOPLE HAVE BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN 5 YEARS AND THESE ISSUES KEEP SURFACING IN VARIOUS WAYS.

WHETHER THAT'S, YOU KNOW, OFFICER-INVOLVED SHOOTINGS OR THESE TRAFFIC STOPS THAT ARE LEAVING THE COMMUNITY ANXIOUS.

SHIFTING GEARS A LITTLE BIT.

SOME HAVE SAID THAT YOUR ELECTION 8 YEARS AGO MARKED A SHIFT NOT JUST HERE, BUT NATIONWIDE TO SEVERAL MORE A PROGRESSIVE PROSECUTORIAL OFFICES >> DO YOU THINK THAT WILL CONTINUE?

>> YOU KNOW, I THINK PENDULUM OFTEN THAT WE SEE AND WE SAW.

>> A TOUGH ON CRIME ERA THAT PROSECUTOR OFFICES ACROSS THE COUNTRY FOR A REALLY LONG TIME.

>> AND I THINK A LOT OF THOUGHTFULNESS ABOUT WOULD HAVE THOSE POLICIES NETTED US AND AGAIN, IN COMMUNITIES LIKE CHICAGO, WHERE WE STILL HAVE LOW LEVELS OF TRUST, WHERE WE'RE INVESTING SHOTSPOTTER TECHNOLOGY BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE PICKING UP THE PHONE.

WHAT WE CAN SAY IS THAT THOSE EFFORTS WERE NOT AS SUCCESSFUL AS WE WOULD HAVE HOPED WERE LOOKING TO HOMICIDE RATES THAT WERE SEEN.

I ACROSS THE COUNTRY, WHETHER IT'S LOS ANGELES OR BOSTON OR ATLANTA OR OTHER PLACES WHERE YOU'RE SEEING DIFFERENT NEW WANTS CONVERSATIONS PROSECUTORS AND CRIME.

I AM.

IMAGINE THAT WILL CONTINUE.

WE'RE EVEN LOOKING AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL.

YOU KNOW, PRESIDENT BIDEN RESCHEDULING MARIJUANA, FOR EXAMPLE, IT ALMOST UNHEARD OF 8 YEARS THE LEGALIZATION OF MARIJUANA VACATING MARIJUANA CONVICTIONS.

AND SO I'M SEEN NOT JUST ON THE LOCAL PROSECUTION LEVEL, BUT NATIONALLY AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL, A REEXAMINATION OF HOW WE USE OUR CRIMINAL JUSTICE RESOURCES.

YOU'VE GOT 6 MONTHS LEFT.

ANYTHING THAT YOU FEEL LIKE YOU NEED TO GET DONE IN THOSE LAST 6 MONTHS.

YOU KNOW, IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO DO IN IN THE COURSE OF 4 YEARS OR EVEN 8, YOU KNOW, MY PRIORITY, OBVIOUSLY YOU KNOW, CONTINUING TO DEAL WITH ISSUE OF VIOLENT CRIME EVERY SINGLE DAY AND MAKING SURE THAT OUR POLICIES AND PRACTICES ARE FAIR AND JUST CERTAINLY WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, THE DAY-TO-DAY PROSECUTION OF CRIMES WRONGFUL ENSURING THAT WE DO AS MUCH AS WE CAN BEFORE WE LEAVE AND IN WORKING TO BUILD A STRONG TRANSITION FOR MY SUCCESSOR.

ANY HINTS ON WHAT YOU'LL BE DOING NEXT?

YOU KNOW, I HAVE NOT AFFORDED MYSELF TOO MUCH OF A CHANCE TO SIT THINK ABOUT THINGS TO THAT THAT I MIGHT WANT TO DO IS THE MOTHER OF 4 YOUNG PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING OFF TO COLLEGE IN AN OFFICE OF OUR SIZE.

BUT CERTAINLY HAVE GOTTEN OPPORTUNITIES TO OFFER IS TO TEACH, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS IS INTERESTING AND LOOKING AT THE SYSTEM AS A WHOLE AND AS ONE WHO BELIEVES ROOT CAUSES FOR A LOT OF THE ISSUES THAT WERE SEEN, MY MIND IS ALSO WONDERING TO THE POSSIBILITY WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE TO NOT JUST PRACTICE LAW, BUT TO THINK ON A BIGGER AND MORE GLOBAL SCALE ON SOME OF THESE INTRACTABLE ISSUES.

COUPLE SECONDS LEFT.

BIGGEST CHALLENGES AHEAD FOR YOUR SUCCESSOR.

TRUST AND LEGITIMACY.

I THINK IT IS.

YOU POINT OUT WE STILL HAVE THAT CONSENT DECREE.

WE STILL HAVE NEIGHBORHOODS FEEL THAT THEY'VE BEEN LEFT BEHIND AND IT IS THOSE FOLKS WHO ARE OUR BIGGEST ASSET AND WE NEED THEM TO BE ABLE TO WORK WITH.

ALL RIGHT.

STATE'S ATTORNEY KIM FOXX A 4 TO HAVE YOU BACK AGAIN SOMETIME.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

THANK YOU.

AND THAT IS OUR SHOW TONIGHT.

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NOW FOR ALL OF US HERE AT CHICAGO TONIGHT, BLACK VOICES BRING TREATMENT, STAY HEALTHY AND SAFE.

WE HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.

>> CLOSED CAPTIONING CONSTANT BY ROBERT, A CLIFF AND CLIFFORD WHICH IS PROUD TO FOUNDER AND SENIOR PARTNER ROBERT, WHO IS BEING NAMED IN