CHICAGO TONIGHT: BLACK VOICES IS MADE POSSIBLE IN PART BY FIFTH THIRD BANK AND BY THE SUPPORT OF THESE DONORS.

[MUSIC] >> Reporter: GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO CHICAGO TONIGHT: BLACK VOICES.

THANK YOU FOR SHARING PART OF YOUR WEEKEND WITH US.

ON THE SHOW TONIGHT.

IT IS THE TECHNOLOGY THAT COPS SAY HELP THEM TRACK GUNFIRE.

BUT CRITICS SAY THAT SHOT SPOTTER TECHNOLOGY IS MISSING THE MARK.?

AFTER 3 AND HALF YEARS EIGHT STRIKE AND A PANDEMIC, CHICAGO'S TOP EDUCATORS SAY IT'S TIME TO MOVE ON.

>>> IS A STORY THAT MANY CHICAGOANS KNOW BUT SINCE THE OSCAR NOMINATED FILM, JUDAS AND THE BLACK MESSIAH OWES RELEASE, MORE PEOPLE ARE LEARNING ABOUT THE LIFE AND DEATH OF FRED HAMPTON JR.. WE TALKED TO HIS WIDOW AND SON.

>>> XERS AND TIME PERIOD AND EXHIBITION BLENDS MUSIC, HISTORY AND FABULOUS FABRIC AT THE ART INSTITUTE.

FIRST OFF, TONIGHT, THE CHICAGO POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS USED SHOT SPOTTER AND HAS COME INTO SHARP FOCUS IN RECENT WEEKS.

IN PARTICULAR AFTER 13-YEAR-OLD ADAM TOLEDO WAS SHOT TO DEATH ROMAN OFFICER RESPONDING TO THE TECHNOLOGIES ALERT IN MARCH.

A NEW RESEARCH FOUND THAT 86 PERCENT OF LEASED APPOINTMENTS RESPONDING TO SHOTS.

POTTER REPORTS LED TO NO CRIME, LEADING TO QUESTIONS OF IT'S VALUE AND VIOLENCE REDUCTION.

AND ON MONDAY A COALITION OF NONPROFIT GIVEN BY THE MAC ARTHUR JUSTICE CENTER TALKS ABOUT AN IMPENDING MURDER CASE THAT RELIES ON SHOT SPOTTER EVIDENCE.

HERE TO TALK ABOUT IT ARE ARTINESE MYRICK WITH LIVE FREE CHICAGO, A FAITH-BASED ORGANIZATION WORKING AGAINST MASS AND INCARCERATION AND VIOLENCE.

JONATHAN MANES, AN ATTORNEY WITH THE MAC ARTHUR JUSTICE CENTER WHO SPEARHEADED THE STUDY AND FREDDY MARTINEZ, THE DIRECTOR OF LUCY PARSONS LABS ABOUT THE TRANSPARENCY, POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY AND DIGITAL NONPROFITS.

LUCY PARSONS LABS WAS ONE OF THOSE THAT FILED AGAINST THE POLICE.

THEY SENT A STATEMENT THAT WE WILL GET TO IN JUST A MOMENT BUT FIRST I WANT TO GET TO YOU, JONATHAN MANES.

SHOT SPOTTER CLAIMS A 97 PERCENT ACCURACY RATE.

HOW DO THEY DEFINE ACCURACY?

>> Guest: .I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THEY GET 90 PERCENT ACCURACY RATE.

WHEN WHAT WE FOUND, IN THE CITY OF CHICAGO DATA IS THAT 86 PERCENT OF THE TIME WHEN POLICE RESPOND TO THE SHOT SPOTTER THEY FIND NO EVIDENCE OF CRIME OR ANY OTHER REPORTABLE INCIDENT.

AND SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHERE THEY GET THOSE NUMBERS FROM.

WHAT WE DO KNOW IS THAT THE SHOTS POTTER HAS NEVER DONE A VALIDATED STUDY TO SEE HOW OFTEN THE SYSTEM IS TRIGGERED BY NOISES LIKE FIRECRACKERS OR HELICOPTERS.

IT IS VERY POSSIBLE THAT A LOT OF THESE ALERTS, MOST OF THESE UNFOUNDED ALERT ARE THE SYSTEM RESPONDING TO OTHER LOUD NOISES THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY OF CHICAGO AND ARE SENDING THE POLICE OUT INKING.

THERE IS GUNFIRE WHEN THERE'S PROBABLY NOT.

>> AS YOU ARE SPEAKING WE ARE LOOKING AT THE VIDEO OF THE DPD STRATEGIC COMMAND CENTER WHERE THE SHOTS POTTER TECHNOLOGY IS USUALLY HUB ALONG WITH OTHER TECHNOLOGIES.

FREDDY MARTINEZ YOUR OBJECTIONS TO THE SPOT SHUTTER ISN'T JUST ABOUT THE SYSTEM ACCURACY AT THE ORGANIZATIONS BELIEVE THAT IT CONTRIBUTES TO OVER POLICING IN ROCK AND BROWN NEIGHBORHOODS.

CAN YOU TELL US WHY THAT'S WHAT YOU THINK?

>> CERTAINLY.

SHOTS POTTER IS NOT FOUND IN ANY MAJORITY WHITE NEIGHBORHOOD.

OBVIOUSLY WE KNOW THAT'S NOT THE CASE.

IF THERE IS NO GUN VIOLENCE IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS.

WHAT HAPPENS REALISTICALLY IS THAT YOU HAVE POLICE OFFICERS REALLY THINKING THAT THERE IS GUNFIRE RACING TO THE SCENE OF WHERE BACK AND BROWN PEOPLE ARE HANGING OUT AND GOING ABOUT THEIR LIVES AND REALLY THINKING THAT EVERYONE IS AN ARMED SUSPECT.

IT IS QUITE DANGEROUS, AND IT LEADS TO VARY HARMFUL INTERACTIONS WHICH IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE FOUND IN THE TOLEDO CASE.

IF IT WASN'T FOR THE SHOTS.

POTTER AND FOR THE HIGH-RISK FOOT CHASE THEN MAYBE THAT CHILD WOULD STILL BE ALIVE TODAY.

>> ARTINESE MYRICK WHAT DO YOU THINK OF PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THESE COMMUNITIES WHERE THE SHOT SPOTTER EXISTS?

HOW DO THEY FEEL ABOUT IT?

>> Guest: WE FEEL LIKE IT'S INEFFECTIVE.

WE ARE STILL DYING WHEN POLICE COME ON SCENE.

THE SHOT SPOTTER ONLY MONITORS BLACK COMMUNITIES IT DOESN'T MAKE THEM SAFE.

>> Host: IN A STATEMENT.

SHOTS POTTER SAID " SHOTS POTTER IS HIGHLY EFFECTIVE TECHNOLOGY WITH A 97 PERCENT ACCURACY NATIONWIDE IS A VITAL HELP TO LAW ENFORCEMENT, REDUCE VIOLENT CRIMES HELPED TO BRING PEACE TO COMMUNITY SUFFERING FROM FIRST OFFENSE GUN VIOLENCE.

JONATHAN YOUR RESEARCH FOUND 45,000 REPORTS FROM SHOT WATER DID NOT RESULT IN CRIME AND THERE WAS 5000 INCIDENTS THAT ACTUALLY DID LEAD TO A POLICE RECORD.

WHAT WOULD A GOOD EFFICACY RATE LOOK LIKE FOR A SYSTEM LIKE THIS?

>> Guest: IT HAS TO GET MUCH HIGHER.

60 TIMES A DAY.

THE SYSTEM IS SENDING THE POLICE POLICE OUT TO BLACK AND BROWN NEIGHBORHOODS, THINKING THAT THEY ARE GOING TO FIND A GUN AND THEY FIND NOTHING.

RATHER THAN BEING ON THE CORNER OR ON THE STREET WHEN POLICE TO SEND, THINKING YOU HAVE A SHOOTER RATES A DANGEROUS SITUATION.

THE CLAIM THAT IT MAKES THE COMMUNITY SAFER.

THERE WAS A STUDY DONE BY JOHN HOPKINS AND FOUND THAT IT LOOKED AT SHOT SPOTTER IN 68 COUNTIES OVER 17 YEARS AND IT FOUND ABSOLUTELY NO REDUCTION IN HOMICIDE OR EVEN HOMICIDE ARREST FROM FIREARM HOMICIDES OVER THAT TIME.

THERE REALLY ISN'T EVIDENCE THAT IT IS MAKING THE COMMUNITY SAFE SAFER WHICH STANDS TO REASON THAT SENDING POLICE OUT ON A WILD GOOSE CHASE SO OFTEN AND IT'S RESPONSIVE, REACTIVE TO AFTER SHOTS ARE FIRED NOT REDUCING THE CAUSES OF GUN VIOLENCE IN OUR COMMUNITY.

>> Host: YOUR REPORT THAT YOU MENTIONED EARLIER GENERATED NO EVIDENCE OF GUNFIRE OR GUN RELATED CRIME.

WHAT DO OFFICERS FIND WHEN THEY GET TO THE AREA WHERE THE SHOT SPOTTER DEPLOYED THEM?

>> Guest: 86 PERCENT OF THE TIME THEY FIND NOTHING.

WE DID IT CONSERVATIVE.

WE COUNT THINGS LIKE UNLAWFUL POSSESSION OF A WEAPON.

IF THEY FIND SOMEONE ON SCENE WITH AN ILLEGAL GUN, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY DIDN'T FIRE THERE IS POSSIBLE THAT THERE WILL WERE NO SHOTS FIRED.

BUT WE COUNTED THOSE AS THE 10 PERCENT OR SO THAT ARE GUN RELATED INCIDENTS.

SO, NINE TIMES OUT OF 10 THE POLICE AREN'T RECORDING ANY GUN INCIDENTS.

>> Host: ARTINESE WHAT DO YOU THINK THE $33 MILLION THAT THE CITY HAS WITH SHOTS.

POTTER OVER THREE YEARS, WHAT COULD THAT $83 MILLION BE SPENT ON AND IS IT WORTH THE SHOT SPOTTER TECHNOLOGY?

>> Guest: ABSOLUTELY.

$33 MILLION IS A LOT TO INVEST IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY IF THAT'S WHERE THEY ARE MOSTLY DEPLOYED TO.

THAT $33 MILLION COULD BE APPLIED TO HOLISTIC MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES, HOSPITAL-BASED SERVICES, POLICING, CENTERING, POLICING HAS NOT BEEN SEEN EFFECTIVE TO STOP CRIME OR KEEP PEOPLE SAFE.

THAT $33 MILLION COULD GO TO PREVENTATIVE SERVICES THAT COULD POTENTIALLY SAVE LIVES.

>> FREDDIE, YOUR ORGANIZATION WAS AMONG THE THREE THAT ARE FILING A SEPARATE CASE.

WHY DO YOU ALL BELIEVE THAT THE SHOT SPOTTER EVIDENCE SHOULD BE EXCLUDED.

IN SOME CASES?

>> Guest: WE HAVE SCIENTIFIC STANDARDS FOR EVIDENCE THAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN COURT CASE.

DNA EVIDENCE IS RELIABLE, BUT THAT'S BECAUSE PEOPLE SPENT DECADES LOOKING AT IT.

AND ONE ARGUMENT THAT WE MAKE IS IT DOESN'T MEET SCIENTIFIC STANDARD AND, REALLY, IT CAN'T BE INCLUDED IN A COURT CASE.

WE WOULDN'T WANT DNA EVIDENCE INCLUDED.

IF IT'S WRONG.

NINE TIMES OUT OF 10.

WHY WOULD WE ALLOW THAT TECHNOLOGY TO ALSO BE INCLUDED?

THAT IS ONE OF THE MAIN ARGUMENTS WE ARE RAISING.

IF WE ALLOW THE TECHNOLOGY TO BE USED IN THIS WAY, WE ARE ALLOWING PEOPLE'S CIVIL RIGHTS AND CRIMINAL RIGHT IN COURT TO BE TAKEN AWAY FROM THEM IN A WAY THAT WE NEVER INTENDED.

>> Host: ARTINESE DOES YOUR ORGANIZATION BELIEVE THAT SHOT SPOTTER CREATES OVER POLICING IN BLACK AND BROWN COMMUNITIES, OR DOES IT HELP IN SOME COMMUNITIES YOU MET.

>> Guest: .ABSOLUTELY.

LIKE I MENTIONED BEFORE IT OVER SURVEILLANCES BLACK COMMUNITIES.

IT OVER MONITORS THEM.

WE ARE SENDING POLICE WITH HIGH RISK, HEIGHTENED SENSES, RACING INTO THESE SITUATIONS THAT AGAIN LIKE FREDDIE AND JONATHAN STATED, A MAN MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN FIRED.

BUT WE ARE SENDING OFFICERS INTO THESE COMMUNITIES WITH DESENSITIZED TYPES OF ATTITUDES BECAUSE AGAIN 86 PERCENT OF THIS HAS BEEN SHOWN NOT TO BE EFFECTIVE OR FIND GUNS.

THE BLACK AND BROWN COMMUNITIES ARE AGAIN CENTERING POLICE STRATEGIES SHOULD WE DON'T NEED THAT.WE NEED NEW TACTICS TO MITIGATE TRAUMA AND DEATH AND HOMICIDE IN OUR COMMUNITIES AND NOT POLICING KIDS.

>> Host: THAT'S WHERE WERE GOING TO HAVE TO LEAVE IT.

MY THANKS TO JONATHAN MANES FREDDY MARTINEZ AND ARTINESE MYRICK FOR JOINING US.

>>>.

NEXT, A DISCUSSION WITH THE OUTGOING CHICAGO CITY SCHOOLS JANICE JACKSON HERE THAT'S UP NEXT.

> >> Host: CHICAGO PUBLIC SCHOOL CEO JANICE JACKSON WILL BE LEAVING HER JOB AT THE END OF JUNE AS THE DISTRICT MAKES PLANS TO RETURN STUDENTS TO THE CLASSROOM FULL-TIME IN THE FALL.

JACKSON'S TENURE HAS BEEN MARKED BY AN UNPRECEDENTED MOVE TO REMOVE LEARNING FROM THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC AND A 16 DAY TEACHER STRIKE IN 2019.

LAST WEEK WE SPOKE WITH JACKSON ONE-ON-ONE ON THE DAY SHE ANNOUNCED HER DEPARTURE ON WHAT SHE CALLED HER DREAM JOB.

I BEGAN ASKING HER IF THE MOVE WAS BITTERSWEET.

>> YES.

BRANDIS, OF COURSE, IT IS BITTERSWEET.

PEOPLE WHO KNOW ME LIKE WE KNOW EACH OTHER KNOW THAT I LIVE AND BREATHE EDUCATION IN CHICAGO PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND CHICAGO IN GENERAL.

IT WAS DEFINITELY A BITTERSWEET DECISION.

I THOUGHT LONG AND HARD ABOUT IT.

I HONESTLY FEEL LIKE I HAVE DONE MY WORK.

I HAVE SERVED YOUR 22 YEARS AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO CONTRIBUTING IN OTHER WAYS TO PUBLIC EDUCATION.

IT GOES WITHOUT SAYING, THIS HAS BEEN THE GREATEST HONOR OF MY LIFE.

HOW MANY PEOPLE GET TO SAY THEY HAVE A DREAM AND ACTUALLY AN ACCOMPLISHMENT?

I AM FOREVER GRATEFUL TO THE LEADERS IN CHICAGO WHO ALLOWED THIS TO BE POSSIBLE.

>> Host: WHY ARE YOU STEPPING DOWN AND WHY NOW IN PARTICULAR?

WE ALL KNOW IT IS A VERY TUMULTUOUS TIME FOR SCHOOLS RIGHT NOW.

>> Guest: I'VE BEEN IN C.P.S.

FOR 22 YEARS IN SENIOR LEADERSHIP.

THE LAST 6 TO 7, AND IT'S ALWAYS A BAD TIME TO STEP DOWN AND THAT'S ONE THING I HAVE LEARNED.

TO MEET MY BIGGEST GOAL THIS YEAR WAS HAVING OUR STUDENTS RETURN TO IN PERSON INSTRUCTION AFTER THE PANDEMIC.

I MADE NO SECRET OF HOW THIS PANDEMIC HAS IMPACTED ME PERSONALLY AND I KNOW IT HAS IMPACTED OUR STUDENTS IN WAYS THAT WE DON'T EVEN KNOW AND WE WON'T KNOW UNTIL WE GET THEM BACK IN OUR BUILDINGS FULL-TIME.

FOR ME THIS YEAR.

IT WAS REALLY ABOUT.

LET'S GET THE STUDENTS BACK IN SCHOOL WHO WANT AN IN PERSON OPTION AND REALLY LAY THE GROUNDWORK FOR FULL FIVE DAY CLASSES FOR EVERYBODY IN THE FALL AND THAT'S EXACTLY HOW I INTEND TO SPEND MY LAST FEW MONTHS AS I WRAP UP.

THERE'S NEVER A PERFECT TIME.

IF I WOULD'VE SIGNED ANOTHER CONTRACT.

THE PERSON I AM, I WOULD FEEL OBLIGATED TO GIVE IT ANOTHER FOUR YEARS AND WHEN I DID THAT IN MY CALCULATIONS, I FELT LIKE NOW WAS THE RIGHT TIME TO MAKE THAT BREAK.

>> Host: YOUR TENURE AT C.P.S.

INCLUDED THE LONGEST TEACHER STRIKE IN 30 YEARS.

IN THAT TIME EVEN WHEN YOU ARE CHIEF EDUCATION OFFICER.

THERE WAS A MIRROR TO STRIKE IN 2016.

WHERE WOULD YOU SAY THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN CPU AND C.P.S.

STAND RIGHT NOW?

>> Guest: WITH HIS REPORT PUBLICLY AND WHERE IT IS, IS ALWAYS DIFFERENT, RIGHT?

I HAVE PRODUCTIVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE PRESIDENT ALL THE TIME BUT IT'S NO SECRET.

IT'S HARD TO MAKE DECISIONS AND GET ON THE SAME PAGE WHEN IT'S ALL ABOUT WHAT WILL HAPPEN WITH THE KIDS IN SCHOOLS.

I AGREE WITH ALMOST ALL OF THE ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED AND ADVOCATED BY THE TEACHER UNION AROUND QUALITY FOODS AND RESOURCES THAT THE SCHOOLS NEED.

I HAVE BEEN VERY DISAPPOINTED IN SOME OF THE TACTICS AND THE WAYS IN WHICH POLICIES HAVE TAKEN OVER THAT DISCUSSION.

I THINK MOST EDUCATORS FEEL THAT WAY.

MY WISH MOVING FORWARD IS THAT WHEN A NEW CEO IS SELECT THAT IT WILL BE THROUGH A COLLABORATIVE PROCESS THAT THE MAYOR'S OFFICE IS LEADING IN SUPPORT WITH OUR BOARD OF EDUCATION.

I HOPE THEY GIVE THE NEXT PERSON AN OPPORTUNITY TO LEAD AND UNDERSTAND THAT WE CAN MAKE CHANGE AND WE CAN ADVOCATE TO GET ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE SCHOOLS DESERVE WITHOUT MAKING A TOXIC ENVIRONMENT.

BECAUSE OUR KIDS ARE WATCHING AND WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO SHOW THEM WE CAN DO THIS RIGHT AND DO IT WILL END DO IT IN A PROFESSIONAL MANNER.

>> Host: YOUR LAST TWO PREDECESSORS LEFT UNDER ETHICAL CLOUD.

CLAYPOOL LEFT AFTER 19 ETERNAL SILLY INTERNAL INVESTIGATION AND THE FORMER PREDECESSOR WENT TO PRISON AND HOW MUCH OF YOUR JOB HAS BEEN INVOLVED WITH CLEANING UP THE DISTRICT?

>> Guest: I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE RIGHT TERM, BUT LEADING WITH INTEGRITY HAS ALWAYS BEEN ON THING THAT'S CRITICALLY IMPORTANT TO ME.

SO IT BROKE MY HEART TO HEAR PEOPLE TALK ABOUT C.P.S.

AND THERE STILL SOME VESTIGES OF THAT.

IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE TO SEE THAT THE PEOPLE WHO WORK HERE AT THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE WHO COME HERE COME HERE BECAUSE THEY WANT TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE AND THERE ARE AMAZING PEOPLE NOT ONLY WORKING IN THE CLASSROOMS AND LEADING IN THE SCHOOLS BUT WORKING HERE IN THE CENTRAL OFFICE.

I WISH THE PUBLIC HAD MORE VISIBILITY INTO THE CONVERSATIONS OF HOW HARD PEOPLE WORK THE BLOOD SWEAT AND TEARS THAT WE ALL POUR INTO THIS DISTRICT EVERY SINGLE DAY AND HOPE THAT WE CAN MAKE THE LIVES OF EACH AND EVERY STUDENT BETTER AS A RESULT.

THAT WAS ALWAYS IMPORTANT TO ME.

>> Host: WHAT IS YOUR ADVICE TO THE NEXT CEO.

THE NEXT LEADER OF C.P.S.

>>>.

>> Guest: I HAVE NOT WRITTEN THAT LETTER YET.

I WILL DEFINITELY LEAVE SOMETHING BEHIND.

MY ADVICE TO ALL EDUCATORS IS PUT CHILDREN FIRST.

I KNOW IT SOUNDS CLICHI, BUT IT'S TRULY DIFFICULT FOR PEOPLE TO DO SOMETIMES IN THESE ROLES.

WHEN YOU DO THAT AND PEOPLE SEE THE AUTHENTICITY AND THE DISAGREE WITH YOU AT LEAST GIVE YOU THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT AND THE DOOR IS ALWAYS OPEN.

I AM PROUD TO SAY THAT EVERY RELATIONSHIP I HAVE HAD TO ENGAGE IN, OR MANAGE BECAUSE OF THIS ROLE IS THAT THE DOOR IS STILL OPEN.

PEOPLE KNOW MY HEART.

THEY KNOW WHAT I'M ABOUT AND I WILL DO WHATEVER IS IN MY POWER TO MAKE THINGS BETTER FOR OUR KIDS.

THE NEXT MOVE.

AND THAT PHILOSOPHY AND TO BE QUITE HONEST THAT HUMILITY.

I LEARNED SO MUCH FROM TALKING DIRECTLY TO THE PEOPLE I AM SERVING IN MY WISH IS THAT THE NEXT CEO HAS A SIMILAR PERSPEX LIVE ON THAT TYPE OF LEADERSHIP.

>> Host: AGAIN.

THAT WAS THE PORTION OF OUR INTERVIEW WITH SCHOOL CEO JANICE JACKSON LAST WEEK.

YOU CAN WATCH OUR ENTIRE CONVERSATION INCLUDING HER THOUGHTS ON MAYOR LIGHTFOOT ON OUR WEBSITE.

>>> THE FILM JUDAS AND THE BLACK MESSIAH SHOWS HOW FRED HAMPTON JR.

LED THE CHICAGO PORTION OF THE BLACK PANTHER PARTY AND THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF HIS DEATH IN 1939.

HIS SON, FRED JUNIOR AND AKUA NJERI LED AS CONSULTANTS ON THE FILM.

I SET DOWN WITH THEM TO TALK ABOUT THEIR EXPERIENCE ON THE FILM AND WHAT IT MEANT FOR HAMPTONS LEGACY.

>> WE KNOW THAT AKUA NJERI WON THE OSCAR AND HE AND KEITH STANFIELD WERE NOMINATED IN THAT CATEGORY.

WAS THAT SYMBOLIC FOR YOU THAT DANIEL ONE?

>> Guest: IT WAS SYMBOLIC FOR ME.

THE WHOLE MOVIE.

THEY HAD SUCH GREAT ACTORS AND ACTRESSES FROM DANIEL TO KEITH, DOMINIQUE, AND I CAN'T NAME ALL OF THEM, JAKE WINTERS, EVERYBODY WAS ON POINT.

STANFIELD WAS SO WONDERFUL.

I TOLD HIM, WE WERE ON SET AND YOU DID THAT SAYING BUT I CAN'T HUG YOU.

YOU KNOW I'M SAYING BUT DANIEL I KNEW FROM THE START THAT HE WOULD HAVE THIS FROM HIS LIFE EXPERIENCES.

WE MET WITH HIM HERE AT THE HAMPTON HOUSE AND THEY CAME AND WE HAD SIX OR SEVEN HOUR MEETING.

>> Guest: A FEW THINGS THAT WERE TAKEN FOR GRANTED LIKE THE BODY LANGUAGE FROM THE ROLES AND THE SCRIPTS.

HOW YOU CARRY YOURSELF AND WHO WOULD DRAW THE GUN FIRST, DIFFERENT DYNAMICS.

AND ALSO THERE WERE DIFFERENT TIMES WHERE THERE WAS A LOT OF STRUGGLES WITH OUR POLITICAL POSITION COULD HAVE CLASHED WITH CREATIVITY.

SO WE TRIED TO STRUGGLE FOR SOME POINTS OF UNITY.

OBVIOUSLY WERE NOT GOING TO COME AS A LEGACY FROM THE BLACK PANTHER PARTY.

Host:.

A LOT OF PEOPLE BEGAN TO UNDERSTAND THE FRED HAMPTON STORY AND BEGAN TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THE BLACK PANTHER PARTY ITSELF.

WHAT DO PEOPLE NEED TO TAKE AWAY FROM THE MOVIE?

>> Guest: THE MOVIE IS ABLE TO TALK TO PEOPLE BETTER THAN WE CAN HEAR IT.

WE ARE CLEAR THAT THE MEDIA HAS HAD A WHITE OUT IN KEEPING THIS MESSAGE OUT.

THIS WAS AN ORGANIZATION, A REVOLUTIONARY CLINICAL ORGANIZATION THAT WENT TOE TO TOE WITH THE GOVERNMENT IN THE INTEREST OF THE PEOPLE WHEN IT WASN'T POPULAR AND WASN'T A FAD.

YOU KNOW I'M SAYING?

I THINK THE LEGACY LIKE FRED HAMPTON JR. SAID, IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE LAST.

OUR LEGACY WILL BE GONE WHEN WE ARE DEAD AND GONE.

BUT A FACTUAL ACCOUNT OF WHAT THE BLACK PANTHER PARTY DID AND WAS IS VERY IMPORTANT.

>> Host: WHEN YOU LOOK AROUND AT THE POLICE BRUTALITY THAT WE ARE STILL WITNESSING WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS?

>> Guest: IS HARD FOR THE COMMUNITY.

WE HOLD THIS AS A EUPHEMISM BUT IT'S POLICE TERRORISM.

OUR COMMUNITIES ARE TERRORIZED.

>> WE ENJOY THE VICTORIES, BUT WE DON'T GET COMFORTABLE WITH IT.

OUR BATTLES STILL CONTINUE.

WE CAN'T GET COMFORTABLE AND SAY WE ONENESS, WE ACCEPT A VICTORY, BUT IT IS NOT THE END OF THE STRUGGLE.

>> Host: FRED HAMPTON JR. BEARS THE MONIKER CHAIRMAN FRED SAYS THEY CONTINUE THE WORK FOR THE PANTHERS THROUGH THE BLACK PANTHER PARTY CUBS AND THE GO FUND ME TO SAY THE HAMPTON HOUSE GOT QUITE A BOOST AFTER THE FILM WAS RELEASED.

THE MONEY THEY RAISE WILL BE USED TO RESTORE THE BUILDING AND TO HELP THE COMMUNITY.

>>> HISTORY, MUSIC AND PHOTOGRAPHY ARE ALL STITCHED TOGETHER WITH THE CHICAGO ART INSTITUTE.

OUR PRODUCER, MARK VITALI HAS THE STORY BEHIND THE TECHNICOLOR TEXTILES.

[MUSIC] >> THEY MAY LOOK LIKE PAINTINGS OR PHOTOGRAPHS, BUT THEY ARE QUILT INSPIRED BY DOCUMENTARY PHOTOS FROM THE LIBRARY OF CONGRESS AND FAMILY SNAPSHOTS.

HE SPOKE WITH THE ARTIST FROM HER HOME STUDIO IN NEW JERSEY.

>> IT'S LIKE WALKING THROUGH A FAMILY PHOTO ALBUM THAT WAS LIFE-SIZE.

I LIKE THE IDEA THAT WE ARE SEEING THEM AND THEY ARE ALSO SEEING US AND WE ARE LOOKING AT THEM FOR WHATEVER TIME THEY CAME FROM THE PHOTOS.

PER THE 1850S OR THE 1940S AND THEY ARE LOOKING TO BACK THAT UP IN OUR TIME.

[MUSIC] >>, LISA BUTLER AND HER HUSBAND A LONG TIME DJ CURATED A PLAYLIST TO COMPLEMENT EACH ARTWORK AND ADDS NOTES OF VISUAL ELEMENTS TO HER SUBJECTS.

>> I AM LOOKING AT PEOPLE DURING WORLD WAR II.

A LOT OF THESE PHOTOS THAT ARE IN THE EXHIBITS AND BLACK PEOPLE IN THE SOUTH AND MIDWEST WERE STRUGGLING.

SOMETIMES THEIR CLOTHING IS WORN AND FRAYED OR SOMETIMES THEY DON'T HAVE ON SHOES OR THE HAT COULD BE TORN.

BECAUSE I AM SELLING IN MY NATURE, I FEEL COMPELLED LIKE I HAVE TO FIX THOSE THINGS.

[SINGING] MY MOM AND MY GRANDMOTHER TAUGHT ME HOW TO SEW.

MY MOTHER WAS A FRENCH TEACHER AND MY GRANDMOTHER WAS A HOMEMAKER.

THEY WOULD ALWAYS TRY TO MAKE REPLICAS OF CHRISTIAN DIOR GALLONS OR A REPLICA OF HALSTON.

I THINK ABOUT MYSELF BEING ONE IN THE SUCCESSION OF THE LONG LINE AND THAT'S ONE THING THAT I REALLY LOVED ABOUT SOMETHING.

IS THAT IT GROUNDS YOU IN THIS HISTORY OF WOMEN CREATING.

>> NOW BUTLER'S MODERN WORKS ARE INSTALLED IN GALLERIES USUALLY RESERVED FOR CENTURY-OLD EUROPEAN PAINTINGS AND SCULPTURES.

>> IT IS MIND BLOWING.

HAVING MY INSTALLATION ABOVE THAT GRAND STAIRCASE.

IT HAS BEEN TRIPPY AND WONDERFUL.

>> WE ASKED AN ART INSTITUTE TEXTILE CURATOR FOR HER TAKE ON THE ARTWORK.

>> THERE IS A VERY CULTURAL QUALITY AND EVEN IN MANY OF THEM A SENSE OF MOTION.

I NOTICED THAT PARTICULARLY IN THE FACES AND THE HANDS AND YOU WILL SEE AN EVOLUTION OF HER PRACTICE IN THE WORKS AND EXHIBITIONS WHERE SHE'S ADDING ADDITIONAL LAYERS AND STITCHING MORE TO REALLY CREATE THESE CULTURAL EFFECTS.

>> LISA BUTLER ALSO PAYS TRIBUTE TO AFRICA, BUT THE ART COLLECTORS THAT CAME UP IN THE 1960S.

>> OUR PERSPECTIVE IN THE PAINTING FACULTY MOSTLY CAME FROM THE AFRO COBRA BOOTH.

THEY REPRESENTED ONE OF THE VISUAL ARTISTIC ARMS OF THE BLACK POWER MOVEMENT.

THE PHILOSOPHIES THAT THEY HAD WAS THAT ARTIST WORK SHOULD REFLECT THE COMMUNITY.

YOU KNOW, I HOPE THAT MY WORK CAN INFORM AND EDUCATE PEOPLE AND ALSO LOOK TO PEOPLE SINCE ABILITY OF LOOKING INTO EACH PERSON AS THEY PASS AND AS HUMAN BEINGS DESERVE RESPECT AND RECOGNITION HERE JUST THE SAME WAY AS YOU WOULD LOOK AT IT.

>> FOR CHICAGO TONIGHT.

THIS IS MARK VITALI.

>> Host: BRILLIANT COLORS.

LISA BUTLER SHOW IS ON AT THE INSTITUTE OF CHICAGO UNTIL THE 26 AND HER ART IS ON THE ART IN THE MART SERIES.

THAT'S OUR SHOW FOR THE SUNDAY NIGHT.

MAKE SURE TO CHECK OUT OUR WEBSITE WTTW.com/NEWS THE VERY LATEST FROM TRAN EIGHT NEWS AND JOIN PARIS SCHUTZ AND MEET TOMORROW NIGHT FOR CHICAGO TONIGHT.

FOR ALL OF US HERE AT CHICAGO TONIGHT: BLACK VOICES, I AM BRANDIS FRIEDMAN.

THANK YOU FOR SHARING PART OF YOUR WEEKEND WITH US.

HAPPY MOTHER'S DAY.

STAY HEALTHY AND HAVE A GREAT NIGHT.