>> The city's contract with a gunshot detection system known as ShotSpotter is coming to a close.

And while the technologies days appear to be numbered, some city council members are making a final push to reverse Mayor Brandon Johnson's move to cancel the controversial system.

Whether the mayor agrees or not.

>> 100 million dollars for a walkie-talkie on a pole.

And the reason why they said we needed it was to reduce gun violence.

It didn't do that.

You know, it's incumbent upon all of us to make sure that the investments that we're making, they have to get at the problem.

>> Joining us, our Alderman William Hull of the 6th Ward on the city's south side.

And joining us via Zoom Alderman Peter Chico of the 10th Ward on the city's southeast side.

Alderman, thanks to you both for joining us.

You so much for having all the men she go starting with you, please.

The mayor announced this plan back in February.

What can be done at this point to prevent him from shutting down ShotSpotter?

>> We have a vote coming up and we plan on bringing to city council to include all 50 all meant to have their voice heard this shot spotter technology.

What I can say is my residents intense war have made made it clear in day one shot spotter to stay.

And when I'm talking my colleagues, the residents feel the same way.

>> Alderman hold colleague have anything to stand on here.

Can the mayor unilaterally make the call to close out shot spotter or should city council have sent Wilson open today?

This contract has expired.

Secondly, this is a political toy, in my opinion, does dangerous.

The data I reckon that I look at and are recognizing respects us that there are 2 year-old child who laid industry our bid.

bring that that near to to that mother who still does not know who the killer ease and if it wasn't for Spencer Lee, paying for the fuel bills.

Smith getting the beach worries and myself eulogizing at New Covenant represents church.

That was all I needed to know that this is not effective.

Our industry dead and a mother having to go hold her child.

So and again, is objective.

Justices objected to take guns off the street and can't repeat repeat offenders behind bars.

That's what Chicago was need.

This technology does not win to that.

Just to have an alert and someone shoot is not affected And the reason residents right now are saying keep it do whatever is necessary is because of the traumatic experiences residents have felt for years in the city of Chicago with no assistance, no support to get guns off the street, lock up those who are killing and keep repeat offenders for coming in to rise in neighborhoods.

All going go.

What recourse do you all have?

What?

What methodology can you all used to keep shot spotter around?

>> Well, let me first address my colleagues comments.

Experience matters.

I have the experience.

I'm the only member of the city council but was actually dealt with ShotSpotter was actually used that day-to-day basis.

It does work.

It does save lives.

When I was patrolling out there in the 4th district and 2, 3 o'clock in the morning.

And it's 20 below out in December and shots go off.

Let me tell you some.

Nobody is calling the police but shots by place we get there quicker.

We're able to render aid the victim and given the hospital has been more quickly shocked by does work saving lives each and every day I've seen it as police officer in the 4th district working the streets.

>> All going to go.

The mayor says that the technology in that same press conference where we just heard the sound bite earlier, he says the technology promised to cut gun violence in the city of Chicago by 50%, but that it hasn't done that and he feels like he can't continue to justify the 100 million dollars the city is spent on it thus far.

What do you say to that?

>> I say let's talk to the families of the victims who have been shot.

I have had several of them come up to me.

says the shots by debate really taking the forefront and they said we need shots.

you know Because nobody call my son or daughter was shot and shot spotter alert the place and they got in a time in hospital.

Those are real stories.

That was a real people.

And if you want to put a price tag and saving somebodys life and by all means go ahead.

But I'm not going to administration overhaul you disagree, of course, on the cost and the use shots.

3 things I disagree with.

Number one, Laura, the city's leaving write.

Why is it that when we look at Antonio, didn't Houston is trying to get out of the contract right now.

>> Portland and others have said enough is enough.

This company hasn't provided any sufficient job.

Growth has not developed a pipeline enforced things.

And again, this company's be ran out state.

And so thing that I have to say is 100 million dollar no-bid contract is bad business that this man here to from the previous administration.

When look at community policing that worked on the command, the courts, look at commander, take a look at and a branch, mostly commanders in the 6th Ward.

What we have done just GOP.

the hottest crime areas, their presence working with offices getting overtime has reduced crime.

We've seen the effectiveness and into that.

And we look at the equipment that the police need.

We need to give them effectively quickly.

We just got in helicopter as a result of again, the DNC and those are things that outdated equipment.

I do not disagree under no circumstances with my colleague.

I love him dearly about the effectiveness is as much as he showed up to scenes of also showed up to funerals 13 year-old boy a year ago that late in the street for our no one showed up.

Mother found this child and we have to come together to bury the That's all the data that I need to know that it is not as effective.

This is being sold know being 100 million dollar contract is a dangerous type of business.

Not think that this political prostitution has to stop because Chicago is not to be picked out.

And to be clear that a 13 year-old boy, the refund is a new 6 war.

There was no ShotSpotter alert.

Alarm went off but only hour later to someone show up.

And so when we talk about the effectiveness on the shot, spotter alert, consisting consistencies across the board has been a problem with Shotspotter again to sign with someone is shooting and have the community not be empowered.

>> Have the community not working with the police, have the community not involved in beat meetings.

We need to, first of all, renewed the trust with the community wants community is in power block club the time.

This shot spotter won't be the dependencies of communities because what little computer to do before the police because tired of not being respected and we see.

But Superintendent Snelling has changed that in less than a year.

Now Chicago, police say that their data shows that roughly 75% of ShotSpotter alerts have no corresponding 9-1-1, call.

So that means they're being alerted to calls that they would not have learned about through 9-1-1.

>> Does does ShotSpotter not help to bring officers to the scene faster or alert them to shootings that no one called about shot shot spotter alert.

It hour later a mother finds child that stories that are not being told consistently throughout neighborhoods that have this equipment.

Again, quite became no be no comparison to other date And again, let's have a conversation with the other 4 mayors that are reading them.

Sales of this equipment.

>> Again, to alert someone is shooting not have the evidence lock up the person with the to keep the repentant repeat offender off the streets and to make sure you to say that's the equipment that we need.

Cta is looking at using AI technology to identify sugar in gun at the same time.

And so we get to have alert systems without affected judicial system, support and empower communities is what we're looking for.

This does not do that.

And again, my question is where the jobs?

Where is the connection?

The community we assist in training and with sustainability.

That's dangerous to do without no one else other in Chico.

There's also the concern that shot spotter lends itself to the over-policing of black and brown communities.

What do you say to that?

>> I not with my experience being out there, which has that the Texas shot, the police are going to go to that location with a shot rang off it instead of going around the whole block, looking for people to stop.

They're going to go right to that location right to where ShotSpotter alerted the police officers to go.

If they see nobody out there, if you nobody out there, but that's better than them going around the block.

Looking for anybody else who were in close proximity to the shots being fired when the shots are being fired.

Without shots.

By we don't know where they come from.

And then color can say I just heard the shots go off and what direction, they don't know what directions coming from shot spotter director police officers directly the spot and one more thing responding to my colleagues time.

It's about me or it.

It seems to him.

I'm going to the funerals were trying avoid the funerals.

I haven't shot spotter set up and getting to please time in a timely manner to then called to call the ambulance and sent him to a hospital.

>> In have you been given any indication the city has been in touch with shot spotter or that shot spotter would be willing to work out some sort of a ward by Ward contract that were even possible technologically.

>> As of now, it has by I do not that.

>> Okay.

overhaul briefly.

What you know about ShotSpotter what technological alternatives right there would get like I said, we're out one CTA identify she gone.

And again, we don't want to broadcast what working on.

That's how criminals get hit.

But one I do know is when DNC K we saw discourse, but we saw safety its best.

And so I do have confidence and superintendents, not And the mayor finding the best equipment to keep Chicago the won 2 million dollar deal and the way.

Okay, you're not a fan of that.