THEIRS ON ON IVANHOE ONE FEDERAL AGENCY IS 75 YEARS OLD.

SOME SAY IT'S BEEN CONVERSATIONAL AND OTHERS SAY IT'S NECESSARY.

STAY TUNED.

WELCOME TO IVORY TO YOUR I'M BAR BRASH FOUGHT FROM SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY.

JOINING ME ARE TARA ROSS, FROM ONONDAGA COMMUNITY COLLEGE, KRISTI ANDERSEN FROM SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY AND MICHAEL TILLOTSON FROM SUNY AND BEN BAUGHMAN FROM GANNON UNIVERSITY.

ALL THE NEGATIVE NEWS THERE IS A GLIMMER OF HOPE ON THE HORIZON IN CENTRAL NEW YORK FOR NEW MANUFACTURING.

BUT COULD BE IN FACT TRANSFORMATIONAL.

CONGRESS HAS OK'd $280 BILLION IN RESEARCH RELATED TO SEMICONDUCTOR MANUFACTURING.

AND THERE'S LAND RIGHT READY IN CLAY AND PLANS IN THE MOHAWK VALLEY TO BRING MANUFACTURING HERE.

SO KRISTI IS THIS A GOOD WAY TO MAKE THE U.S. MUCH MORE COMPETITIVE GLOBALLY OR AS BERNIE SANDERS SAYS TOO MUCH CORPORATE WELFARE?

>> IT MAY BE BOTH.

I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THE AMOUNT OF MONEY IS APPROPRIATE OR JUST OVERREACHING.

BUT IT DEFINITELY, I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE THE U.S. HAVE A BIGGER ROLE IN THE CHIP INDUSTRY.

I MEAN, THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE MOST SOPHISTICATED COMPUTER CHIPS ARE MADE IN CHINA AND TAIWAN DURING THE PANDEMIC YOU REMEMBER CASES WHERE YOU COULDN'T GET CARS YOU COULDN'T GET THIS BECAUSE THE CHIPS WERE BEING MADE IN OTHER PLACES.

IT DOES MAKE SENSE TO DO IT HERE.

AND AS Mr. SCHUMER AND OTHERS SAY THERE ARE PLACES READY HERE.

AND I THINK THAT WILL BE GOOD FOR THIS AREA FOR SURE.

>> TARA?

>> I THINK IT IS A GREAT IDEA BUT I THINK THE DEVIL IS IN THE DETAILS.

AND FOR EXAMPLE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS A REQUIREMENT OF THE CHIPS ACT IS THAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO CREATE 280,000 PERMANENT JOBS.

I THINK LIKE 42,000 DIRECT INDUSTRY JOBS.

BUT IT DOESN'T TALK ABOUT OK WHERE ARE WE GOING TO GET THE PEOPLE FOR THESE JOBS?

ARE THEY GOING TO BE TRAINED ON THE JOB?

ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TO HIRE IMMIGRANTS WHO ARE ALREADY TRAINED IN THESE AREAS?

HOW WILL IT REALLY BENEFIT AMERICAN WORKERS THAT IS WHERE MY BIG CONCERN IS.

>> IT IS DEFINITELY A LONG-TERM FIX TO WHAT HAS SLOWLY DECAYED HERE IN THE U.S. AND WE'RE RELYING ON CHINA TO MAKE CHIPS THAT GO IN OUR WEAPONS FOR THE MILITARY.

IT IS A NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUE.

AND TO SAY THAT WE HAVE AT THE LEAST A STRAINED RELATIONSHIP WITH CHINA IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ACKNOWLEDGED.

AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WILL ADDRESS THE CHAIN ISSUE AS WELL.

BUT DEFINITELY, WHEN YOU ARE PUTTING IT IN YOU YOUR FIGHTER JETS AND WEAPONS AND YOU'RE USING IT FOR DRONES AND IT'S BEING MADE IN A COUNTRY THAT WE'RE USING SOME OF THAT TECHNOLOGY IN, THERE IS A CONFLICT THERE.

>> I THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING THAT NEW YORK IN ITS LAW ABOUT THIS IS WANTING OR REQUIRING THE PLANTS TO BE GREEN INDUSTRIES LIMIT THEIR GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS, PAY PREVAILING WAGES.

THEY ARE TRYING TO RESPOND TO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS YOU HAVE AND AS WELL AS THE CLIMATE RELATED ISSUES.

>> THERE'S NOISE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE.

BERNIE SANDERS SAYS THE FUNDING CAN BE USED ELSEWHERE.

TOOMEY SAYS IT'S CORPORATE WELFARE.

WE THINK ABOUT THIS FUNDING, IT WILL INCREASE DOMESTIC CHIP PRODUCTION BECAUSE 75-80% OF ALL CIRCUITS ARE MADE OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES.

IN TERMS OF NEW YORK ANYTIME YOU HAVE A PROGRAM THAT TO TARA'S POINT THAT CREATES JOBS, IT IS ANO-BRAINER.

ESPECIALLY IF IT INFLUENCES THE SUPPLY CHAIN.

IF CHUCK SCHUMER IS SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING THE PLANT HERE IT BODES WELL FOR THE REGION.

>> I LOVE THE ACRONYMS THAT THE BILLS HAVE AND THIS CHIPS BILL, THE NAME OF IT IS CREATING HELPFUL INCENTIVES TO PRODUCE SEMICONDUCTORS.

CLEVER.

MICHAEL MENTIONED JOBS.

RYAN McMAHON THE EXECUTIVE HERE IN ONONDAGA COUNTY SAID 800 UP TO 2,000 JOBS LONG-TERMTH CENTRAL NEW YORK THAT COULD BE A BOOST FOR THE ECONOMY.

TARA IS THIS TRANSFORMATIONAL?

HOW DO YOU SEE THIS?

>> IF THE JOBS ARE TRULY WELL-TRAINED JOBS IT CAN BE TRANSFORMATIONAL.

THIS IS BOTH THE PRESENT AND THE FUTURE OF OUR WORLD.

IF YOU HAVE 2,000 PEOPLE WHO ARE TRULY WELL-TRAINED WHO CAN THEN TRAIN OTHERS IT TRULY CAN TRANSFORM AN AREA.

AND YOU KNOW, YOU ALSO LOOK AT FUTURE INNOVATION IF YOU CONNECT IT WITH THE RESEARCH ARM OF THIS.

IF YOU CONNECT IT WITH THE ARM THAT IS SUPPOSED TO CREATE THE FEDERAL ARM THAT CREATES INCENTIVES FOR STEM PROGRAMS.

THIS REALLY CAN BE TRANSFORMATIONAL.

AND AGAIN THIS IS WHERE MY CONCERN IS, THIS IS A LOT OF MONEY.

THERE IS THAT A LOT OF DETAIL TO IT YET.

AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE LEARNED FROM PAST TAX CREDIT INCENTIVES IS THAT IF YOU AREN'T CAREFUL WITH THE DETAILS A LOT OF MONEY IS SPENT YOU DON'T GET A GREAT DEAL BACK.

>> AND WE'VE HAD THOSE SITUATIONS.

SOME PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT A SILICON ERIE CANAL.

YOU ARE LAUGHING MAYBE THAT IS THE PIPE DREAM.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO THE C.I.A.

THE INTELLIGENCE AGENCY IS 75 YEARS OLD I THOUGHT WE SHOULD LOOK AT THE AGENCY'S HISTORY AND ROLE.

AND BEN, IT SEEMS TO BE SPOT ON IN FORECASTING THIS RUSSIAN INNOVATION OF -- INVASION OF UKRAINE BUT IT HAS HAD A CHECKERED PAST.

>> IT HAS.

AFGHANISTAN, WHERE THEIR ASSESSMENT WAS AT LEAST SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR BEFORE THERE WAS REALLY ANY HIGH-RISK CHANCE OF THE GOVERNMENT FALLING.

BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS THEY ARE CLANDESTINE BY NATURE.

WE TEND TO ONLY HEAR ABOUT THE NEGATIVE THINGS.

WE DON'T GET TO HEAR ALL THE POSITIVE THINGS.

I LIKEN IT TO POLICING WHERE THEY HAVE TO MAKE DECISIONS RAPIDLY IN A LOT OF CIRCUMSTANCES WITH NO TIME TO THINK IT THROUGH.

AND VERY HIGH STAKES.

AND WHEN THAT'S THE RECIPE AND THE REAL WORLD YOU ARE IN THE REAL WORLD NOT A CONTROLLED SETTING THINGS CAN GO AWRY AND THEY DO AND THAT IS WHEN WE TEND TO HEAR ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE C.I.A.

>> I WAS INTERESTED IN THE I THINK YOU GAVE THE "WALL STREET JOURNAL" AN ARTICLE TO READ ARGUING THAT THE C.I.A.

HAS KIND OF ALMOST CHANGED ITS MISSION OR WHAT IT'S DOING FROM INTELLIGENCE GATHERING PRIMARILY TO PARAMILITARY OPERATIONS OVER THE LAST SOUNDS LIKE IT'S BUSH'S FAULT AFTER 9/11 PROBABLY.

AND ONE I THOUGHT THAT WAS INTERESTING.

AND ALSO THAT THE PERSON WHO IS RUNNING IT NOW IS TRYING TO PULL IT BACK TO ITS FORMER GOALS.

I WONDERED IF THE MILITARY HADN'T PUSHED BACK AT THAT.

THE C.I.A.

WASN'T SEEN AS GETTING INTO THEIR TERRITORY, YOU KNOW.

>> YEAH.

I MEAN THE MILITARY, WE HAVE SIX BRANCHES THEY EACH HAVE THEIR OWN INTELLIGENCE ELEMENT TO IT.

THE C.I.A.

IS BY DESIGN DEALING WITH FOREIGN ENTITIES AND SO DOES THE MILITARY THERE'S GOING TO BE CROSSOVER.

YOU KNOW, THE C.I.A.

HAS EVOLVED IN THOSE 75 YEARS WHERE THEY WERE DOING DEAD DROPS AND BRUSH PASSES OF INFORMATION TO HAVING TO MOVE INTO THE TECHNOLOGY REALM OF SOCIAL MEDIA.

>> A DEAD DROP AND A WHAT?

>> SORRY.

SO DROPPING AN ITEM THAT ANOTHER SPY WILL PICK UP THAT WOULD BE A DEAD DROP AND A BRUSH PASS WOULD BE THE INFORMATION IS CLOSE CONTACT AS THEY PASS, THEY PASS THE INFORMATION.

AND THAT HAS EVOLVED TO NOW YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING IN SOCIAL MEDIA BUT ALSO WHO IS TALKING TO WHO AND ALL OF THAT STUFF THAT THIS COMES DOWN TO HUMANS, RIGHT?

THERE'S HUMANS THAT ARE SEEING WHAT OTHER HUMANS ARE DOING AND THAT OPENS UP SOME FALLIBLE COMPONENTS.

>> MICHAEL WHAT IS YOUR TAKE ON THE C.I.A.

'S HISTORY?

>> WELL, I AM A FAN LIKE ANY ORGANIZATION, THREE QUARTERS OF A CENTURY OLD IT'S GOING TO EXPERIENCE BUMPS AND BRUISES ALONG THE WAY.

THE C.I.A.

MANY AMERICANS DON'T KNOW THE FUNCTION OF THE C.I.A.

EXCEPT IF THEY LOOK AT [INAUDIBLE] A LOT OF PEOPLE CAN TELL YOU WHAT THE F.B.I.

DOES BUT FEW CAN TELL YOU WHAT THE C.I.A.

DOES.

THE C.I.A.

IS FOCUSED ON OVERSEAS INTELLIGENCE GATHERING THAT IS WHAT IT DOES EXTREMELY WELL WHICH IS JUST AS IMPORTANT NOW AS IT WAS IN 1947 WHEN PRESIDENT TRUMAN ESTABLISHED THE AGENT AT THE TIME.

THERE IS A LONG HISTORY OF THE C.I.A.

HAVING THE RIGHT ANSWERS AND SOMEONE FROM CAPITOL HILL TELLING THEM THIS IS THAT THE ANSWER WE WANT.

SOME OF THE BIGGEST DISAPPOINTS IS GIVING INTO THE ARM TWISTING OF POLITICIANS.

IN THE EARLY 2000'S BUSH AND CHENEY WANTED THE CULPRIT TO BE IRAQ AND ONLY IRAQ.

AND AT THE TIME THE DIRECTOR OF THE C.I.A.

HE CAVED AND SAID I RACK IS A SLAM DUNK.

WHAT IS INTERESTING NOW, IS THAT ONE OF THE MAIN INTERESTS OF THE C.I.A.

COMING OUT OF WORLD WAR II IS RUSSIA.

AND AGAIN WE SEE BECAUSE OF VLADIMIR PUTIN'S ACTIONS, RUSSIA IS ONCE AGAIN A COMPELLING INTEREST TO THE C.I.A.

THE C.I.A.

IN MY VIEW IS A CRITICAL PIECE OF THE NATIONAL SECURITY OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE.

>> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK AS THE C.I.A.

MOVES FORWARD IS IT ALMOST NOW SEEMS TO ME TO NEED AND I'M GOING TO CALL IT A PR ARM FOR LACK OF A BETTER WAY OF PUTTING IT.

YOU SORT OF HAVE TWO COMPETITIONS AND BEN MENTIONED THIS COMPETING AREAS OF INFORMATION.

YOU HAVE THE INFORMATION GATHERING THAT IS VITAL THAT THE C.I.A.

DOES AND YOU HAVE THE PUBLIC WE CAN GOOGLE IT INFORMATION AND WITH EVERYTHING THAT CONSISTENTLY SHOWS UP ON THE INTERNET PART OF WHAT I THINK HAS BEGUN TO HAPPEN FOR THE C.I.A.

IS THAT THE PUBLIC THINKS BECAUSE THEY CAN GOOGLE IT OR FIND THIS INFORMATION, THEY HAVE THE SAME INFORMATION AS THE C.I.A.

WELL, OBVIOUSLY WE ALL KNOW THAT THE C.I.A.

PROBABLY HAS 10 TIMES MORE INFORMATION THAN THE PUBLIC EVER SEES.

AND PART OF ITS PROBLEM AS IT MOVES FORWARD IS KNOWING WHEN TO MAKE SOME OF ITS INFORMATION PUBLIC VERSUS WHAT THE PUBLIC IS GETTING AND WHAT IS NECESSARY FOR UNITED STATES TO FUNCTION.

THAT HAS TO BE KEPT PRIVATE.

SO YOU KNOW, I'M HOPING AS THE C.I.A.

MOVES FORWARD THEY ARE DEVELOPING SORT OF THIS PR ARM THAT WILL ADDRESS THAT ISSUE.

BECAUSE THAT IS PART OF ITS PROBLEM AND PART OF ITS FUTURE.

>> BEN?

>> AND I KNOW THAT THEY HAVE THAT ARM THAT THEY ARE NOT ONLY DOING IT DOMESTICALLY BUT INTERNATIONALLY.

AND THEY ARE THE ONLY OUT OF THE 18 INTELLIGENCE ELEMENTS THAT WE HAVE IN THE UNITED STATES, THEY ARE THE ONLY ONE THAT IS COMPLETELY INTELLIGENCE DRIVEN.

THEY ARE INDEPENDENT.

SO THE OTHER ONES LIKE THE F.B.I.

IS A GOOD EXAMPLE THAT MICHAEL BRINGS UP THAT WE HAVE A GOOD IDEA WHAT THE F.B.I.

DOES.

THEY ARE THE TOP LAW ENFORCEMENT ARM IN THE UNITED STATES.

NOW, THE DIFFERING COMPONENTS BETWEEN F.B.I.

AND C.I.A.

I THINK WOULD HELP PEOPLE.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE DIFFERING PERSPECTIVES JURISDICTIONS AND STANDARDS.

ULTIMATELY IT COMES DOWN TO SCOPE.

WITH THE F.B.I.

THEY ARE FOCUSED ON LEGAL STANDARDS THE C.I.A.

LOOK AT LEVELS OF CONFIDENCE.

AND THOSE TWO THINGS DON'T ALWAYS ADD UP.

THEY ARE NOT ALWAYS IN LINE WITH EACH OTHER.

>> IF WE CAN GET BACK FOR A SECOND WHAT I STARTED WITH AND THAT IS THAT THE C.I.A.

HAS IN PAST YEARS THIS ARTICLE ARGUES AND I THINK IT'S TRUE, MOVED AWAY FROM ENTREPRENEURIAL INTELLIGENCE INTO COUNTERTERRORISM MAROIS MILITARY STARTING WITH THE BAY OF PIGS AND THINGS THAT HAVE NOT WORKED OUT WELL IN HELPING TO FIND BAD PEOPLE AND KILL THEM AND SO ON.

AND IT SEEMS TO BE THE CASE THAT THE CURRENT LEADER OF THE C.I.A.

IS PULLING BACK FROM THAT.

WHAT IS YOUR VIEW ON THAT -- THOSE SORTS OF ACTIVITIES OF THE C.I.A.?

>> MY VIEW IS THAT WE DON'T KNOW MOST OF WHAT IS OCCURRING.

THEY ARE THE ONLY AGENCY THAT IS OFF THE BOOKS.

BUT IT'S ESTIMATED BASED ON A LEAK IN 2016 THAT THEY HAD A WORKING BUDGET OF ABOUT $15 BILLION.

AND THAT IS SIGNIFICANT.

BUT WE HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND THEY ARE WORKING ALL GLOBALLY.

SO WE ONLY FIND OUT WHAT IS LEAKED AND WHAT GOES BAD.

>> BEN, IS IT YOUR SENSE THAT WE ARE READY FOR THE FUTURE?

IT SEEMS THERE MAYBE MORE TECHNOLOGICAL NEEDS THAN PUTTING SPIES AND AGENTS ARE WE READY FOR THE FUTURE IN THE C.I.A.?

>> YES.

IS MY QUICK ANSWER FROM WHAT I KNOW.

I MEAN WE REFER IN INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY TO THE C.I.A.

AS THE AGENCY.

AND WE JUST DON'T DISCUSS A LOT OF THINGS THAT IS OCCURRING WITHIN THE C.I.A.

>> I HOPE THEY CONTINUE TO DO THE QUIET WORK IN THE SHADOWS.

>> THAT IS IMPORTANT.

YES, IT IS.

>> WE HAVE BEEN TALKING A LOT ON THE SHOW ABOUT THE STATUS OF FORMER PRUSH PRESIDENT TRUMP.

IN THE LAST WEEK THEY HAVE EDITORIALIZED THAT TRUMP DOES NOT DESERVE TO BE PRESIDENT AGAIN.

MICHAEL IS THIS MOVE SIGNIFICANT?

>> WELL, THE IDEA THAT TRUMP'S INFLUENCE IS DIMINISHING IS IN CONVERSATION FOR SURE.

HOWEVER, WHEN YOU LISTEN TO THE LOYAL BASE, HE IS AS STRONG AS EVER.

BECAUSE WHAT THE FORMER PRESIDENT FIGURED OUT A LONGTIME AGO WAS TWO THINGS...

HE KNEW HE HAD TO APPEAL TO THE BASE'S EMOTIONAL SATISFACTION AND COMFORT THEIR GRIEVANCES.

WHICH HE HAS DONE SUCCESSFULLY.

WITH THE CONSTANT BARRAGE OF DISTRACTIONS.

HE HAS EXPERTLY USED THE PRONOUNCES, WE, US AND OUR TO BRAND IDENTITY TO THE FIGHT MAKING HIS FIGHT THEIR PLIGHT.

ALSO LET'S NOT UNDER APPRECIATE THIS REALITY IF I COULD, PLEASE, THERE WAS A VOLCANO BUBBLING UNDER THE SURFACE OF EIGHT YEARS OF RACIALIZED ANGST AGAINST BARACK OBAMA BACK IN 2010.

WHICH SET THE CLIMATE FOR THE FORMER PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA TO BE SEEN AS PAGAN, DIFFERENT, OTHER, OUTSIDER WHICH SET THE CLIMATE FOR MESSIAH FIGURE TO EMERGE.

TO APPEAL TO HIS BASE'S EMOTIONAL SATISFACTION AND IT'S CLEAR TO ME IF JOHN McCAIN WOULD HAVE BEEN PRESIDENT FOR EIGHT YEARS, THE POLITICAL PHENOMENON OF DONNA CROSS WOULD HAVE BEEN WATERED -- DONALD TRUMP.

TRUMP MAYBE DIMINISHED IN THE EYES OF MAINSTREAM NEWS BUT THERE ARE NO SIGNS OF CRACKS IN THE INFLUENCE ON THE [INAUDIBLE] >> YOU ARE NOT BUYING IT.

>> PARTICULARLY IN THE SENIOR CITIZENS IN THE DEEP RED STATES.

>> .

>> TARA ARE YOU BUYING IT?

>> NOT AT ALL.

I THINK THIS IS WISHFUL THINKING.

I AGREE ON THE PART OF ESTABLISHMENT REPUBLICANS WHO HAVE BEEN EMBARRASSED AND YOU KNOW SEE THE OPENING TO MAY BE PUSH HIM ASIDE.

BUT I ALSO THINK THERE IS A DANGER HERE.

TO ATO ASSUME TRUMP'S POWER IS DIMINISHING YOU ARE GIVING THEM LESS CREDENCE AND THERE IS A DANGER IF YOU SEND TRUMP UNDERGROUND OR PUT HIM BEHIND THE SCENES IT WILL GIVE HIM MORE POWER.

>> I'M LOOKING FOR WAYS TO BELIEVE THAT HIS POWER IS DECREASING A LITTLE BIT.

AND I THINK THAT IN MANY WAYS IT HASN'T.

I GUESS I AGREE ON SOME LEVELS.

BUT I WAS READING A LOT OF STUFF ABOUT HOW PEOPLE HAVE REACTED TO THE HEARINGS.

AND THEY'VE BEEN SURPRISINGLY POPULAR.

PARTICULARLY AMONG INDEPENDENTS WHICH AND I'M INTERESTED IN PEOPLE WHO ARE NEITHER BIG LIE BELIEVERS NOR DEMOCRATS.

AND THEIR SUPPORT FOR THE INVESTIGATION HAS INCREASED SIGNIFICANTLY EVEN IN THE LAST MONTH OR SO.

AND THE EXTENT TO WHICH THEY HOLD WHAT IS ALSO INCREASED IS THE EXTENT TO WHICH THEY HOLD NOT ONLY TRUMP RESPONSIBLE FOR THE JANUARY 6TH INSURRECTION BUT REPUBLICANS WHO SUPPORT TRUMP OR REPUBLICANS -- TRUMP REPUBLICANS IN CONGRESS.

AND I THINK THERE IS A SENSE OF EVEN REPUBLICANS WHO MAY LIKE TRUMP AND WANT STILL TOTALLY REPUBLICAN, A SENSE OF JUST THE POLITICS OF IT IS THAT TRUMP MAY NOT BE ELECTABLE.

SO YOU WANT TO GET -- YOU WANT TO STILL HAVE TRUMP LAND BUT YOU DON'T MAYBE WANT TRUMP.

YOU MAY WANT DE SANTIS OR SOMEBODY ELSE.

I THINK THAT IS COMMON.

>> THERE IS A REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST SHE DID FOCUS GROUPS.

>> AN ANTI-TRUMP REPUBLICAN AND DOES THE FOCUS GROUPS.

>> AND PEOPLE LIKE HIM A LOT AND THEY WOULD VOTE FOR HIM IF HE WAS ON THE TICKET BUT THEY WOULD LIKE LESS BAGGAGE AND SOMEBODY WITH HIS SAME VIEWS.

BEN WHAT ARE YOU SEEING?

>> THE BASE IS NOT GOING TO BUDGE.

THE BOTTOM LINE IS THEIR PERCEPTION OF WHAT HAPPENED ON JANUARY 6 IS SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT FROM OTHER PERCEPTIONS EVEN THE FACT WITH WHAT IS BEING DISPLAYED.

AND YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS ALREADY.

ANYTIME IT'S POLITICAL THERE'S GOING TO BE POLITICAL THEATER AND THAT IS HOW IT'S BEING SEEN BY THE STRONG BASE OF TRUMP.

I DON'T BUY IT.

I DON'T SEE THEM BUDGING.

I WILL SAY THIS IS WHERE THE C.I.A.

AND F.B.I.

CONVERSATION COMES IN BECAUSE C.I.A.

REPORTED THAT THEY HAD SEEN RUSSIA INFLUENCE IN 2016.

AND THEN THE F.B.I.

SAID THEY DID NOT.

AND THAT COMES DOWN TO THAT STANDARD THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER.

AND I THINK THAT IS AN IMPORTANT THING TO PASS ON TO TO YOUR VIEWERS AS WELL, THAT IS WHY YOU'RE SEEING THE CONFLICTING REPORTS FROM DIFFERENT INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES.

>> HE SAYS THE BASE IS NOT BUDGING.

AND YOU SAID THE BASE IS SMALL AND YOU LOOK AT THE OVERALL POPULATION OR ELECTORATE?

>> I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A CLEAR NUMBER.

MY SORT OF LINE IS THE PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE THE BIG LIE.

WHO REALLY TRULY DO BELIEVE THIS.

AND I GUESS BECAUSE I'M CONCERNED WITH DEMOCRACY HOW IT WORKS AND EVERYTHING.

SO WE CAN DEFINE THE BASE IN A LOT OF WAYS.

I AGREE IN GENERAL, THIS IS NOT SEVERELY -- THE HEARINGS AND SO ON IS NOT SEVERELY ERODING THE BASE.

IT IS MAKING THE SQUISHY PART OF THE BASE MORE DUBIOUS AS REFLECTED IN THEIR WILLINGNESS TO THINK ABOUT OTHER CANDIDATES AND THEIR WILLING TONS HOLD OTHER REPUBLICANS RESPONSIBLE FOR SOME OF THE -- SINCE APRIL THE PERCENTAGE OF INDEPENDENTS WHO SAY THEY ARE LESS LIKELY TO VOTE FOR A MEMBER OF CONGRESS WHO SUPPORTED THE ATTACK INCREASED TO 71%.

I THINK THE HEARINGS -- I KNOW THIS IS WISHFUL THINKING ON MY PART PERHAPS, BUT I THINK.

>> WE HAVE 30 SECONDS.

>> WISHFUL THINKING IS TRUE BUT WHEN YOU TALK TO PEOPLE IN THE MISSISSIPPI DELTA, LOUISIANA AND WEST VIRGINIA THEY ARE AS COMMITTED TO DONALD TRUMP AS THEY WERE FOUR YEARS AGO.

IF TRUMP WAS TO LEAVE THE WORLD TRUMP WILL BE AROUND.

WHAT HAS HE DONE?

HE APPEALS TO THEM EMOTIONALLY AND COMFORTS THEIR GRIEVANCES.

>> IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE WITH ATTORNEY GENERAL GARLAND SAYING THEY WILL PURSUE ANYONE WHAT HAPPENS.

TARA WE HAVE TO START THE A'S.

>> MY F GOES TO CONGRESS.

LAST SPRING CONGRESS FAILED TO EXTEND COVID-19 FUNDING EVEN FOR HOSPITALS AND SIMILAR FACILITIES.

NOW WE ARE REASONING THE BENEFIT OF THAT DECISION AS CASES OF BA.4 AND BA.5 VARIANTS RISE, HOSPITALS ARE STRUGGLING.

UNINSURED PATIENTS HAVE LITTLE ACCESS TO TESTING AND REINFECTIONS ARE INCREASING.

>> THE VOTERS OF TUNISIA.

BACK 2011, STARTED THE DEMOCRACY MOVEMENT WE CALL THE ARAB SPRING.

I REMEMBER THE OPTIMISM THAT WAS GENERATED HERE THE IDEA THAT DEMOCRACY WAS WINNING AND TUNISIA SEEMED TO BE A PLACE WHERE DEMOCRACY WAS STRENGTHENED.

THIS IS SAD NEWS.

>> MY F GOES TO SHAME ON THE REPUBLICAN LAWMAKERS WHO BLOCKED PASSAGE OF A BILL IN THE UNITED STATES SENATE THAT EXPANDS HEALTHCARE COVERAGE FOR MILITARY VETERANS EXPOSED TO TOXINS AND BURN PITS.

THE ACT WHICH THE HOUSE PASSED WOULD ENABLE HEALTHCARE COVERAGE FOR THREE MILLION VETERANS EXPOSED TO TOXIC BURN PITS.

AND WATERING THE BILL DOWN PARTICULARLY FOR THE PARTY THAT IS SUPPORTERS OF OUR MILITARY AND VETERANS.

>> MY F GOES TO A MAN THAT WAS WEARING AN ANKLE MONITOR AS HE STOLE WINE AND OTHER THINGS AT A TARGET IN CHICAGO AREA.

THIS IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF SOME TRENDS WE'RE SEEING NATIONWIDE.

PEOPLE STEALING THINGS WITHOUT SHOWING ANY CONCERN THAT THEY ARE GOING TO GET CAUGHT.

>> INTERESTING.

WELL SOMEBODY HAS DONE SOMETHING WELL.

>> MY A GOES TO THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE.

THE PARK SERVICE AWARDED 9.7 MILLION IN GRANTS TO HISTORICALLY BLACK COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES FOR THE PRESERVATION OF HISTORIC FACILITIES ON THEIR CAMPUSES.

THE FUND ALSO WILL ASSIST INTERESTED HBCU'S IN APPLYING FOR HISTORIC REGISTER STATUS.

>> KRISTI?

>> AN A TO Dr. CAITLYN BERNARD THE INDIANA DOCTOR WHO PROVIDED AN ABORTION TO THE 10-YEAR-OLD OHIO GIRL WHO HAD BEEN RAPED.

SHE WAS SIMPLY GIVING THE CARE SHE WAS TRAINED TO PROVIDE BUT SHE GETS MY A FOR PUBLICLY SPEAKING OUT ABOUT THE TERRIBLE IMPACTS OF ABORTION RESTRICTION ON THE HEALTH AND LIVES OF WOMEN AND GIRLS AND HAS DONE THIS DESPITE THE FALSE CLAIMS MADE BY THE INDIANA OFFICIALS AND THREATS AGAINST HER AND HER FAMILY.

Dr. BERNARD IS A GRADUATE OF UPSTATE MEDICAL UNIVERSITY IN SYRACUSE.

>> MY A GOES TO AMERICAN LIFEGUARDS PARTICULARLY IN HISTORIC HEAT THIS SUMMER WHO WORK TO PROTECT OUR BEACHES AND OUR POOLS TO HELP THE YOUNG AND THE OLD PROTECT THEMSELVES FROM WATER PROBLEMS.

KUDOS TO AMERICAN LIFEGUARDS THIS SUMMER.

>> THAT IS A GOOD REMINDER.

>> MY A GOES TO A REAL-LIFE LASSIE WHO CAVED HIS OWNER.

THE OWNER HAD FALLEN 70 FEET, BROKE HIS HIP AND RIBS.

AND SEARCH AND RESCUE FOUND SAUL THE LASSIE, AND LASSIE TOOK SEARCH AND RESCUE 200 YARDS TO HIS OWNER.

>> .

>> HOW DID THEY FIND THE DOG?

>> SO A FRIEND HAD LET THEM KNOW TO LOOK FOR SAUL WHICH IS A BORDER COLLIE.

AND THEY DID.

AND SURE ENOUGH HE WAS DOING CIRCLES AND GETTING SEARCH AND RESCUE'S ATTENTION THEY FOLLOWED SAUL TO THE OWNER.

>> AND THE GUY IS GOING TO BE OK?

>> HE GOT FLOWN OUT OF THERE.

>> I HAD NOT HEARD THAT STORY.

THERE ARE GOOD THINGS HAPPENING IN THE WORLD.

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